The Indefinite Quantity

abstractplebbit · 2017-02-23T12:46:27+00:00

This can be applied in every aspect of your social life too - not just with women.

When you invite someone to do something, it is probable that they do not have the same images in their head as you do when youre thinking about going. They probably have no idea what it will be like, so its not surprising that one could turn you down easily under those circumstances.

The definite quantity is a just boring one liner description relating to what youre actually going to do.

But since people respond to feels, all you have to do is give them those feels by talking bout all of the cool and fun things that will actually be happening, and boom you shifted them into a receptive and positive state of mind. If you make something sound exciting, you don't have to convince them to do anything because they will want it as much as you. Then you're both on the same page. They might feel like it was their idea and they want it even more, but the frame is yours.

Meat-on-the-table · 2017-02-23T13:09:29+00:00

This speaks to the core of how to get women. Abandon logic;stimulate emotions. People don't drink Starbucks because it's the best coffee around, or buy iPhones because they're the absolute peak of tech innovation. They buy these things because it stimulates a feeling within them, a duality of exclusivity and belonging.

Similarly, women don't sleep with a guy because it is logical in the sense we think of. She sleeps with him because it makes her feel good about herself to be wanted by an attractive male who could have other women. This is basically the reason why women flock to known players. There exists a magnetism in the social acknowledgement by other women that,yes, this is a man you should open your legs for.

Leave the logic at the door. Make her feel an entire range of emotions that culminates in you achieving your desires. It's easier than you think.

le_king_falcon · 2017-02-23T13:32:09+00:00

One of your best posts in a while GLO.

Well written, entertaining and a great primer on the art of self marketing when dealing with women.

It something that is touched upon more by the pickup artists of the world but it is actually a valuable skill that applies to more than just getting laid.

You can be the most perfect alpha male in the world, looking good, lifting heavy, great social life, great career etc. But a change in your marketing style will totally change the sort of women you attract and have success with.

I'll take one Starbucks brand name schlong please. No homo.

Popular-Culture · 2017-02-23T15:48:05+00:00

At TRP, we know all relationships to be transactional in nature. If this is true, and all relationships and sexual encounters are really transactions, then why wouldn't we treat ourselves like products that need to be marketed and sold? Hooking up is literally selling dick to women. And you're right, GLO. Dick is cheap and abundant.

Women aren't attracted to big muscles, meaning they're not attracted to the literal collection of soft tissue in your biceps. That's the definite. They're attracted to the sense of dominance and power that big muscles signify. That's the indefinite. Think about it: why do women look so favorably upon a man driving a BMV or Mercedes? Is it because they're turned on by the car's horsepower, 0-60, and top speed? Of course not. Women don't know shit about cars. But a man driving a BMV radiates wealth, status, success, and power. And that's very attractive.

So when you're selling to women, sell the indefinite. From the female perspective, "dinner and a movie" is completely predictable. It's the definite. She's done it a million times and she's not excited about doing it again. On the other hand, inviting her over for "a Netflix comedy special that made my stomach hurt because I was laughing so hard" is a much better sell. Now I'm not focusing on the activity, but on how the activity will make her FEEL. I actually used that 2 weeks ago. Spoiler alert, we only got halfway through it.

abstractplebbit · 2017-02-23T12:40:30+00:00

This is a very powerful concept/technique for suggestion. After discovering it I began testing it on my girlfriend when I wanted to get her to do something with me (something she would usually decline), and I can confirm that this shit really works.

I can get her to do almost anything I want now because I learned to use her emotions to make her want something.

More people need to see this.

rorricles · 2017-02-23T12:37:56+00:00

Interestingly, the only reason I clicked on this post was because I saw it was written by /u/GayLubeOil. Good brand work there mate, leading by example.

redpillbanana · 2017-02-23T13:30:53+00:00

The "Indefinite Quantity" is how Robert Pirsig describes Quality in his book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. "Quality is not something you believe in, Quality is something you experience."

He equated Quality to the Tao:

The Tao that can be completely explained or expressed in words is not the constant, eternally unchanging and true Tao.

If the name of this Tao can be defined with words, then it is not the constant, eternally unchanging name of the true Tao.

When you see a work of art, you can't necessarily explain it or assign a quantity to it, but you can recognize its quality and share that recognition with others.

Now apply all this to your dick and you'll be swimming in pussy.

Lsegundo · 2017-02-23T12:18:10+00:00

great post. Now I need to figure out how I can brand myself as some starbucks level dick. Continuing progress toward my goals is probably the biggest part of it.

max_peenor · 2017-02-23T15:19:46+00:00

Starbucks. Now that's a wasted opportunity. It sounds like the perfect brand name for dick.

So how do you rebrand your gas station dick into Starbucks brand name shlong?

A) Quality (TRP) or B) Marketing (PUA). There are certain brands that simply don't advertise or discount because the word of mouth is strong enough to carry their brand. This is why I chose A) over B). Let the women folk do the work to advertise my dick for me.

roeddit · 2017-02-23T16:58:30+00:00

In all fairness, Starbucks is the most predictably clean place to take a shit if you're stuck out in any American city.

Also, read "Spent" by Geoffrey Miller (evo psych prof) for more - he goes into depth about the indefinite qualities of each car brand.

Buchloe · 2017-02-23T15:48:04+00:00

4 ways to outcompete in any market- be: better, cheaper, faster, unique. One or more of these qualities vs. The competition.

[deleted] · 2017-02-23T16:44:14+00:00

Not that long ago I was at the bar, and I watched the interaction between a dude and a gal (missed my opportunity with her, eye contact -> Pavlovian Approach, but I digress). He seemed to be a decent enough fellow, but pretty generic. In walks a douchy hipster with every curl in his hair, mustache and beard meticulously groomed, and sits next to her. Minute by minute the gal paid proportionally more attention to Mr. Aloof Douchy Hipster with an undeniable Indefinite Quantity about him, and Mr. Generic.....it was like watching a sailboat when the wind dies, he literally deflated and left hanging his head. It was almost sad, but his qualities were quite Definite.

eylizo · 2017-02-23T18:04:09+00:00

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ozaku7 · 2017-02-24T01:40:57+00:00

A refreshing post from GayLubeOil talking about how to sell dicks. Have an upvote, I love your posts!

[deleted] · 2017-02-23T15:12:11+00:00

thanks for teaching me about definite and indefinite quantity. i'm an artist so this stuff resonates in a useful way.

d4ng3rz0n3 · 2017-02-23T16:51:11+00:00

An easier way to understand this is intrinsic and extrinsic value.

blackedoutfast · 2017-02-24T01:56:52+00:00

sell the sizzle not the steak. the hard part for us (dudes) is remembering that dick isnt the sizzle, dick is the steak.

ArkAngelEV · 2017-02-24T16:34:38+00:00

Why is it that some of the best posts about how to accurately understand the world is to apply tried and true lessons of ECONOMICS.

This is absolutely spot on, and the lessons don't end there. We know what we want. We should know by now what women really want.

Whatever course of action brings you happiness, make it happen

Luckyluke23 · 2017-02-24T04:26:37+00:00

great post man.

I've been going out for awhile now ( like forever) and i've come to the conclusion my SMV is way too low and because of this i lack confidence.

so I'm pretty much decided to stop gaming and start lifeing.

NeoreactionSafe · 2017-02-23T15:59:54+00:00

She wants a status symbol, a brand to give her vapid existence meaning.

The Blue Pill mythology applies to women as much as men.

Just as the beta male is mislead to believe things about reality that aren't true the women are deceived in their own way.

A wise woman (something that really doesn't exist or is dependent on someone else giving them a clue) will seek to optimize her motherly potential.

The wise woman breeds well.

The stupid woman is seduced to be a consumer and to ride the Cock Carousel™ until she is thrown off at the Wall around 30.

Women riding the Cock Carousel™ essentially never wake up while on it. Only after her fertility is severely damaged and her Thousand Cock Stare™ becomes here default look does she mournfully dismount the Cock Carousel™.

If brainwashing was instead devoted to female fertility (like other eras which focused on the mother as an ideal) then she would start popping out babies at a young age to a man who she submits to and looks up to.

None of this should excuse women for their mistakes in thinking, but realize the Blue Pill mythology and objective laws (Child Support, etc) that reinforce this inversion of truth are the driving force.

Kill Child Support laws and banish the Family Courts to hell and we would very, very quickly see a reversal of these Blue Pill inspired slutty women.

Dick is cheap because dick can create slavery... the laws beat you down.

Imagine if a dick could cause consequences for a woman like in nature.

So women now shop for dick and fear nothing in the product or it's consequences.

aanarchist · 2017-02-23T14:33:06+00:00

unless she's a hardcore gold digging whore she'll fuck me over some beta celebrity, as well as over chad cuz he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing and is a complete dipshit. on the other hand i don't really look to deal with whores i don't have any money anyway. good post, it's all about being the best version of yourself and loving who you are and owning it like a fucking boss. both men and women gravitate towards that because they feel good around that sort of energy, it takes their gray life and infuses it with some colors from the rainbow, makes the day actually have meaning when you're in it rather than another day in the mindless grind. give meaning to people's lives and they will bend the knee to you.

do we get the trp discount for this coaching you speak of?

yunhaila · 2017-02-23T15:26:44+00:00

I like how you use branding concepts with dating. There's a wealth of info out there on how to sell shite. Why not use it to sell yourself?

nasil_boyle_superim · 2017-02-23T16:28:30+00:00

so how can we improve our "indefinite quality"?

CrimsonShiv · 2017-02-23T16:44:23+00:00

Bangin' stuff as per ususal, thanks for the knowledge top up GLO!

g0dfather93 · 2017-02-23T16:48:31+00:00

Yet another save-worthy TRP post that should be perused on a regular basis.

Great explanation!

lqtys · 2017-02-23T17:13:01+00:00

Thanks for the Nicky Minaj link.

Great post, I really like this type of theory. I already have built a brand around me and I can certify this works.

rubenescaray · 2017-02-23T17:36:28+00:00

Great fucking post man...

I am so fucking oblivious of this kind of things.

[deleted] · 2017-02-23T17:42:37+00:00

This is basically Simon Sinek's "Start with Why" principle. People don't buy WHAT you are selling, they buy WHY you are selling it.

LOSERFROMHELL · 2017-02-23T18:17:12+00:00

There was a post a while back with a similar concept, analogised with how businesses don't compete to be the best, but the most unique

Fedor_Gavnyukov · 2017-02-23T19:50:04+00:00

to her you are no different than a purse or a pair of shoes

remember this motherfuckers

HS-Thompson · 2017-02-23T19:52:44+00:00

If you're trying to coin a new phrase Indefinite Quantity works as a term I suppose. The idea you're getting at is also pretty well captured by reference to a couple business terms like "Blue Sky" and "Consumer Surplus" as well.

vagbutters · 2017-02-23T21:58:11+00:00

This should only reify the concepts that are discussed here-- you seldom get sluts admitting to be sluts, but the proof is in the pudding. Dick is abundant-- want easy pussy? Go work out in the gym and make sure you're putting the right foods inside yourself in the kitchen. Can't do it? Tough titties, have fun being a skinnyfat/scrawny nobody who women ignore until they hit the wall. Then you become the skinnyfat/scrawny nobody who's a paycheck for a used up slut.

failingtheturingtest · 2017-02-23T22:48:09+00:00

You are an exclusive brand. If she's not interested in buying your Versace Dick, she can buy some Walmart Dick. Nothing personal. Nothing to get upset over. She can show Walmart Willie off to her friends and family because she's a Walmart kind of girl.

It has been said a thousand times, in a thousand different ways.
You are the prize, until you let them convince you otherwise.

It's natural for people to try and reason why it's OK to buy cheap shit that gets the job done. And for blokes, that works (I have some power tools that I KNOW aren't going to last as long as the more expensive ones. But the economics works, I can replace them 3 times and still be in front).
But the FEELING of having something exclusive, premium, deluxe; is what people are buying. Her vagina is going to be walking around town with such a fucking feeling of achievement that it was able to get that Versace dick.
Sheilas thrive of feelings, and if you can make her feel like she's got a chance to have something that others desire, crave, wish for; then she's going to be your brand ambassador and best client.

rluo502 · 2017-02-23T23:49:38+00:00

Don't we all just feel like prostitutes haha

Compeliminator · 2017-02-24T00:58:05+00:00

not only is this valuable advice its entertaining as fuck to read. good job mr. oil

showerthoughtsgenius · 2017-02-24T01:17:09+00:00

I'd take Jennifer Lopez. Replace her with... Ellen Degeneres and then your post makes sense.

EatmyShorts59 · 2017-02-24T14:17:46+00:00

Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to peoples self-interest.

Never to their mercy or gratitude.

Law 32: Play to peoples fantasies.

Never promise improvement through hard work.

Never appeal to truth and reality, build up romance or fantasy.

Everyone flocks to it.

Law 37: Create compelling spectacles.

If I have to explain myself, my power is already in question.

Appeal to emotions and they will come.

Get creative with your shows, gentlemen.

Applause is a powerful thing to make a girl do for you.

TheRedStoic · 2017-04-06T22:53:30+00:00

Incredibly old Post but I need to say this.

We don't sell dick, we sell tingles.

rave_n · 2017-02-23T21:20:05+00:00

Thank you, GLO. Your posts are amongst the few things that still add value to this place. It's a little sad that the general quality of this subreddit has deteriorated quite a bit lately. It seems that since all the basic Red Pill concepts have been established and thoroughly discussed all the knowledgeable contributors withdrew from the general discussion, leaving this place open for newbies that get a rush from talking about "being alpha". There is just too much noise so that the real gems either get lost in all the shit-talking or they don't even get shared in the first place because valuable contributors are being scared away after reading the front page of this sub. I wish there was something you or the mod team could do about that.

Bear-With-Bit · 2017-02-27T08:32:30+00:00

Pre-TRP I just followed these rules: 1) Meet the girl, 2) make her laugh and 3) keep her laughing all the way to bed. Humor mixed well with DGAF-ness is such a powerful, under-rated Indefinite Quantity. If you've ever made women or just friends/co-workers laugh so hard until they were drying their tears, you're onto something. Don't let it go, keep working at it. It's like your stand-up comic, not for fame but for sex and sexual market value.