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This is one of those lesson you have to learn OVER and OVER again. This is THE core truth about masculinity.

Ever heard of the phrase "You can't make pussy your mission"? This comes from two ideas, one that men have to have a mission, they have to be on their purpose, and two DON'T PUT THE PUSSY ON A PEDESTAL.

Before RP even existed, about 10 years ago I first got into seduction. Literally if any of you fuckers remember, sedfast. I was on that bitch. I was learning, voraciously reading about mirroring, pacing and leading, tonality, body language, escalation ladder, GFTOW, inner game, reframing, holding frame, be the prize, etc. etc. and I'll tell you what. THAT SHIT WORKED. It worked like a fucking charm. I went from virgin to fucking swimming in pussy in a very short time. First couple years of college was absolute slay day. The seduction shit was money, but there was a crucial flaw in it, or rather in how I APPROACHED IT, and therefore how I approached TRP, and any other Male improvement lifestyle work.


I MADE IT ABOUT THE FUCKING CHICK.

I got into this as almost all of us do. As an unsuccessful, sexually frustrated, angry fucking dude. The goal was to learn about women and how to pull their strings so I GET WHAT I WANT from these stupid hoes. AND YES it worked,...for a time. Then I started getting older, and still fucking hoes but I had to ask myself a question. WHO THE FUCK AM I? Better put; what is masculinity?

See I was looking at masculinity through the frame of the female perspective this whole time, I was trying to gain qualities that women would find attractive and because I approached it that way, somewhere deep in my mind I was thinking that was the extent of masculinity; an object of female desire, with no greater inherent purpose or value. With this frame, you are gonna get REAL SICK of women, and game. No matter how many 10s you pull, SHE AINT WORTH YOUR FUCKIN SOUL BRO. She isnt worth your identity, your integrity, your motherfuckin PURPOSE in this world. This is exactly why dudes go MGTOW. Because they are looking at the frame through the female perspective. It's time we flip that shit on its head.


LOOK AT MASCULINITY FROM THE ONLY PERSPECTIVE THAT MATTERS; THE MASCULINE PERSPECTIVE.

First of all, masculinity is not defined by what women want out of men. Masculinity is not defined by what the state wants out of men, or your parents, or your boss, or the church, or the media. MASCULINITY IS WHAT MEN WANT OUT OF OTHER MEN. Men have always worked in packs to achieve their mission. We hunt in small groups, we go to war in fireteams. We form ourselves in tribes. So being a MAN, was and has always been about what men want from their team members. What you want from the dude to your right and left when you're sweeping an enemy hold out. When you're hunting dangerous wild game and the tribe hasn't eaten well in 2 days. When the job needs to get FUCKING DONE. Enter the masculine ethos:

  1. Courage - Not flinching in the face of fear.
  2. Honor - Accountability, living by a code, being reliable and unchanging based on emotion or circumstance.
  3. Loyalty - The Pack and the Mission are above all. Any one member would die for the pack.
  4. Strength - Physical Strength. Being able to move things or resist other things moving you.

This is what you are. Even if you have no fireteam, no small group of men to trust in and help each other stay on purpose, you have your ancestors, a spiritual fireteam, whom you need to fucking honor. If the men from thousands of years ago, looked down upon your lazy, incongruent, little bitch ass, you would bring shame upon your entire lineage. Inside of you is hundreds of thousands of years of living virtue. These virtues are etched into your soul. THAT is what masculinity is. THAT is why we do self development. THAT is why we go "monk mode". That is why we conquer ourselves and choose struggle and strife over and over again until in that fire of chaos we forge and reforge and battle test our character BECAUSE THATS WHO THE FUCK WE ARE: MEN. Latin; Vir = Man. Virtus = Manliness. Masculinity is by definition virtue. We develop virtue because thats what we are. And we do it to honor ourselves, our team of close male friends, and our ancestors themselves. A male who does not develop his masculine virtues is not a man, Man must chisel himself out of nothing to become something, to become himself.

BE VIRTUE. BECOME MAN.

SWTDO

EDIT: Some dudes are butthurt I didn't cite Jack Donovan in the post explicitly, just down in the comments so here you go. Disclaimer: This post borrowed concepts from the book The Way of Men. Specifically the 4 tactical virtues also stuff about masculinity in general. If you like this post go buy that book. It's must read material about the origins of masculinity.


[–]gecko408 136 points137 points  (43 children) | Copy Link

Preach. Ive always said if youre imrpoving yourself to attract better women, you're still putting that poon tang on a pedestal.

What you write about reminds me of the eight virtues of Bushido. The way of the Samurai.

[–]sketchyuser7 points [recovered] (41 children) | Copy Link

Isn't there something to it though? A millionaire 10 isn't just going to date an average dude.. most likely. Jared Kushner didn't get Ivanka because he's an average masculine dude. Dude is loaded too and became quite successful.

It also increases your chances to meet higher quality women if you improve yourself to the point of being constantly around high quality people because you yourself are high quality.

Sure you can find the rare anecdote for a plumber with a 10 but we can't really base our life around highly rare scenarios, right?

I'm sincerely asking because I know I have a lot to learn.

[–]gecko408 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My friend, you just need game to pick up women.

Yes looking good naked and looking fashionable will open the doors to more attractive women.

But any man who is bettering himself (which is much more than what's on the outside) soley for women means women have a strangle hold on his life.

You should want to better yourself for reasons waaay beyond women. I like fast cars. I like boats. I like hiking and camping. I like stupid michelin restaurants and Japanese whiskey. So I work my ass off to enjoy these things and not worry about money. I lift weights because it makes me feel great. It makes me look great. Fun easy hot women are just another toy.

If youre looking to eventually have a ltr maybe your views are different.

[–]failingtheturingtest 25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The post and the comment you responded to were both about improving yourself, but NOT for the sake of getting a better woman.

Your response is to ask about increasing the chances of getting a higher quality woman.

Almost every other thread in TRP covers that. Let this one NOT be about getting women for a change.

[–]WolfofAnarchy 13 points14 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

See what's wrong with your comment? Read the post again. The post says to be a man, and to focus on yourself. Not on women.

Your entire comment is around '10s' and 'women'. Stop that.

Think about it differently. Yes, Jared Kushner bangs Ivanka. No, he's not a bodybuilder. But that's not the point of the post. He's also insanely powerful right now, is VERY smart and is well connected in the White House. THAT is important, not that the woman around his dick is a 10!

I'm not dismissing Ivanka, but I'm saying that you need to get your priorities straight.

[–]GongShanks 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Plumbers make very good money. Just saying.

[–]sketchyuser 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

For not requiring college, they do. But 1) it ain't glamorous at all, 2) it has a limit on compensation, maybe a super star plumber can pull in 100-120k. Thats gonna be the top, they're never going to break away and make 300k.

[–]GongShanks 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But they aren't going to have 100k in student loans either.

It isn't glamorous. It's just a very sound job path. Not everybody wants to be movie star.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A millionaire 10 isn't just going to date an average dude.

So fucking what. Just because you fuck her doesn't mean you're better due to her spreading her legs. She does not raise you in status, the reason why she doesn't date fat losers in mom's basement is because they sit raise her status. A rich good looking dude will, so he gets chased by her. She is not the fucking prize.

It also increases your chances to meet higher quality women if you improve yourself to the point of being constantly around high quality people because you yourself are high quality.

It's fallacious to think there are higher quality girls out there. They are all sluts, they are all capable of the same fucked up shit, they will all dump you if you're not a leader of a better leader comes along. Sure they might have expensive tastes, they might not be from a trailer park, but in the end they have the same fucking wiring in their heads. Some are better than others when it comes to restraint about hopping on random cocks, but no "class" of girl ever wasn't a slut for me. Money doesn't make you hot, but she will make you feel that way to get money out of you.

You hang around experienced quality men because they will teach you something useful, and they might open a door that you never knew was there. Hanging around girls only makes you weak to other men. Girls are playthings, not resources or opportunities.

[–]Look_Ma_Im_On_Reddit 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you think he is plowing Ivanka every night?

[–]ronsoness 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's a big mystery how the social dynamics work once you're at that high a level in society. i sometimes think of the marriage as an alliance in some ways -- it's like game of thrones in that you should marry someone with just as high status as you do. they're both so busy, esp. now that they're the presidential family, it's hard to see them making sex a priority.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I think it's funny, everybody wants to fuck better people so why is it only wrong when women do it

[–]Ou-tis 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

[–]Ou-tis 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

did you read the article,or do you want just make some polemics?

[–]HumanInTheRaw 26 points27 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Excellent post my friend.

This is the path to fulfillment. As you said we are the result of hundreds of thousands of years of strength, fortitude, and grit.

Survival of the fittest is our direct lineage. Men these days (and women for that matter) are a mere shell of what our ancestors were.

But that biological programming is still there under your slouched back and soft delicate skin..

This is a huge part of why so many people are depressed these days. The modern lifestyle is only but the blink of an eye on the timeline of history.

Our minds are so full of all this extra unnecessarily complicated shit that we need in order to function in this lost society that we forget or flat out ignore our base instincts.

The more we are able to align ourselves with this basic biological programming, the more fulfilled we will feel.

Happiness comes and goes in waves.

Achieving true fulfillment is something that can never be taken away from you.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men have always looked to the heroes of old for inspiration, For Caesar, it was Alexander the Great. For Alexander the Great, it was Achilles. For Achilles it was the gods.

[–]dresdonbogart 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't forget that Alexander the Great was a student of Aristotle, who was a student of Plato, who was a student of Socrates. They all lived up to their mentor.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its also worth remembering that Alexander's martial prowess and manliness also had inspiration from Aristotle, Plato and Socrates... who were all great examples of masculine virtue and strength and not just weak, old philosophers.

[–]PtolemySpinola 27 points28 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like someone read "The Way of Men"

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen 16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes. I don't take credit for these ideas. I just put my own spin on them and speak about my experiences with them.

[–]roeddit2 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

You talk about "Honor" but don't give credit. Anyways, decent post, we need more explicit posts about masculinity.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol fuck off. The comment you responded to is literally me giving credit to The Way of Men

[–]Lazysaurus 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, reads exactly like cliff notes

[–]EatmyShorts59 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have cliff notes to this book if anyone is interested.

The Way of Men by Jack Donovan

http://lilblackboy.com/book-cliff-notes/

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (8 children) | Copy Link

This is an excellent theory piece with a clear, actionable message. Well done.

Pointing you for this submission.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am glad this piece and its writer was recognized. When you look at his contributions over the years one must scratch his head why the man isnt yet endorsed.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks bro.

[–]ForYourSorrows-5 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Except he just copied and condensed Jack Donovan but with less writing skill and no credit given. I mean he's literally pulled sentences out of The Way of Men and also used the entire theme of the book.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The theme of the book is masculinity... By your estimation, this entire sub has been ripping off his book theme forever. One of the first comments was jokingly saying "hey, looks like somebody read the way of men". To which I replied yes and said I take no credit. But I went ahead and edited the post to include the citation. Jack deserves the promotion.

[–]ForYourSorrows-4 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

You directly stole his 4 tactical virtues. (Not martial Virtues) And other things directly from the book like defining/breaking down the word virtue. You're back pedaling now but when you first made this post it was a straight up ripoff of Jack Donovan's work. You're post HEAVILY involves ideas and text from The Way of Men, not just "masculinity" in general as you claim.

You're a bitch plain and simple. You posted this shit hoping people would think it was your own content and then when called out you back up and try to make it seem like we're the assholes for trying to give credit where credit is due.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wait, wait, wait. Do you know me? Have you ever met me? Do you know even the first thing about me personally? No? Ok well then kindly shut the fuck up. You have no clue why I posted this or why I didn't originally cite his shit. I wrote this quickly on my phone yesterday and didn't cite JD not out of some malicious intent to steal his creative work for myself or anonymous fake internet points. Furthermore, The Way of Men is one of THE MOST REFERENCED and suggested books in this whole community, do you really think if I was trying to steal content to make myself look better I would be stupid enough to steal content from a book that half the dudes here have already read and would instantly see I'm stealing from? Lets use occam's razor here for a second. Is it that or is it more likely that I SIMPLY FORGOT FAGGOT, and as soon as it was pointed out I acknowledged that. Troll harder.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rule 9 brother. Don't let it get to you.

[–]Oz70NYC 51 points52 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

My squad in the USMC has a creedo we live by, even as many of us are no longer active duty. "The strength of the pack is the wolf. The strength of the wolf is the pack." Every one of us held each other to a standard, in combat and in life. And we still do. Society would say we're barbarians. Brutes. But fuck society. Fuck there view of masculinity.

[–]Kalidane 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Somewhere at home I've a two page print out of USMC values. Perhaps taken from some leadership or officers manual. Fucking epic. Got no traction with my corporate manager. I left soon after.

[–]Oz70NYC 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know exactly the documentation you speak of. Kinda gets beat into your head from basic well into when you're deployed. I've been inactive since 2012, but you never lose the mentality. My squad are my brothers, and we still keep each other sharp well after we came home. I hold them accountable to represent the corps and be exemplary men, as do I expect them to do the same for me.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

That's from the new Jungle Book movie...

[–]JFMX1996 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or just a quote that's been around for years.

[–]Oz70NYC 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You'd be correct. But allow the "cub" to think his snarky comment made a difference. Gives him purpose his life clearly lacks.

[–]Oz70NYC 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

In your attempt to be a snarky prick, you made yourself look like an idiot. Quite an accomplishment. The quote is in the new Jungle Book movie, because it was first in a poem written by Rudyard Kipling...author of the actual book, before he wrote The Jungle Book. The poem is called "Law for the wolves". (Google it. I'd post the link, but I'd rather you excersize that feeble lil' brain of yours.)

It's a reference to the Darwinism and the concept of "might equals right". And the quote itself has existed for over 133 years. So yes, while your right about it being in the recent film adaptation, you clearly did no research on the quote before making an atypically beta comment.

Dismissed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I actually looked up the poem after I saw the movie last year.

Still doesn't follow since I've never seen it associated with the armed forces.

Act more butthurt though.

[–]Oz70NYC 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's not associated with Armed Forces as a whole, hence is why I said It's the creedo of my squad. Last I check, 8 marines aren't the bulk of the entire force. But please, continue making yourself look like a complete buffoon. It's actually kinda entertaining.

And the very term "butthurt" is about the most beta expression ever made. Seriously. If you're gonna try and insult someone, at least try to say something that insights anger in then. I literally laughed out loud when I read that. But not the funny joke kind. More so laugh you make when you witness someone make their best effort at something and fail categorically.

Stay classy, kid. Go lift.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You flew off the handle at a random comment on the internet. I'm also a veteran and I bet I can outlift you lol.

You need to keep your emotion in check my first comment to your post about the poem wasn't even malicious. The fact that it bothered you so much says a lot about you.

[–]Oz70NYC 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm also a veteran and I bet I can outlift you lol.<

Beta as fuck, dude. Seriously.

The fact that it bothered you so much says a lot about you.<

Bothered? By some rando on the internet? You give yourself way to much credit, fella.

I'm done with this convo.

[–]LethalShade 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You clearly flipped out over a 7 word comment on the internet man and you're trying to beta shame him in return...

Not to say he's right either but your stoicism is clearly lacking.

[–]Need2LickMuff 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

"The strength of the pack is the wolf. The strength of the wolf is the pack."

Easy there, Mowgli.

[–]Oz70NYC 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Quote is from a poem Ridyard Kipling wrote years before he penned The Jungle Book in reference to Darwinism. Been coined in military for over a century. You'd know this if you did even the slightest bit of research. But I digress. So I'll answer in a way that fits your effort.

"Herp derp derpiddy derp."

[–]Ascended_One 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You forgot to tell us to put some fucking epic music into the background before reading this because it felt like one of those speeches commanders give their soldiers before going to battle.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You ripped off Jack Donovan and "The Way of Men" almost verbatim. There is nothing wrong with providing summaries, but at least throw him a bone and cite his books.

We don't need any more "pump up" threads on this fucking sub. On my other account, I subbed here at less 1,000 members. TRP was intellectual back then and highly actionable.

Keep your "bro pep rallies" to yourself.

[–]JFMX1996 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's funny you can't see the value in this.

This is more than some chest beating, but something that offers key insights into masculinity and being a better man and changing your mindset.

Don't like it, sign the fuck off.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not going to sign the fuck off. This sub used to be populated by guys like Rollo and RPS. Now, dipshits are rolling in here -- turning it into a male version of Cosmo.

[–]circlhat 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I Disagree, it seems we don't treat seduction skills as something seperate but rather a by product, it's like saying study business if you want to learn to play guitar.

Seduction and dating are two separate skills, knowing yourself, masculinity is another skill set.

Women won't make you happy, just like money won't but living without them is pretty shitty. What I'm trying to say there is a time for yourself, a time to play, a time for women and a time for work.

[–]real_bbc_history 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good post. One important addition.

A man's honor is only meant for his brothers, by blood or by choice or by oath, and other honorable men, which may include honorable enemies if they are truly honorable and have deeds or feats deserving of respect and honor.

A man's honor has to be intelligent honor and is not meant for despicable dishonorable people because they deserve no such thing and having naive honor may endanger your family, your clan and even your nation to the horrors of murder, torture, humiliation and rape of your loved ones at the hands of dishonorable ravenous wolves. Naive stupidity-driven honor has even resulted in numerous extinctions of an entire peoples. See taqiyya from thereligionofpeace site with the extension of /pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

A true man must be able to adapt. There is a saying that a true man can submit or can stand tall as required, which means a man must be flexible.

[–]real_bbc_history 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you downvoted this post, please step up like a man to explain your downvote. You, that one person.

Standing up for your POV in open debate is Virtus Manliness that takes courage, honor and strength. Be virtue. Become a man.

Hiding behind a downvote means the lack of virtue, courage, honor, strength, and manliness. Cowardice, dishonor, weakness and being a pussy are evils we should not fall into.

[–]OilyB 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great, great post, defining masculine values like this. I agree, know thyself, only then can you select a companion that fits your features and personality. Not the other way around.

I often use the symbolic example of the erect penis vs the vagina - the vagina needs, wants to adapt to the erect penis, not the other way around. The vagina says 'tell me how far you want me to stretch'. Never heard of a dick trying to change itself to fit the pussy....

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP's progress is interesting. Not too long ago there were posts about how to be dark triad. Now there are posts about courage, honor, loyalty and strength, to be virtuous.

[–]chickenwings958 points [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

You say to stop living for women, but your title contradicts by saying we should be masculine because we are struggling with women

[–]WolfofAnarchy 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes, that's odd, BUT, many people here are still living for women, so they would be attracted to this post, and then get redpilled af with the content. I guess it makes sense.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

So what do the men on here want? a wife or a rotating cycle of poontag? why isn't prostitution good enough? if too much dick lowers a woman's value then every time you fuck a women your destroying another man's chance at a wife. Is casual sex good or bad? If you want to live in a patriarchy you can't be sleeping around, it's not the sexual revolution for men but not for women, that's not how it works.

[–]MuscleMaturity 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Prostitution is illegal many places

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

true but If you were more masculine you'd take more risks and have more sex. Why should society care about you betas, it is in the best interest of society that the superior alpha genes get passed on.

[–]byronb08 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Y'all need to cut back on the creatine.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reppin creatine for life krew checkin in

[–]strikethrough123 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with the overall message of this post that you shouldn't put pussy on a pedestal. However, you say that "it was all about them" (a form of putting pussy on the pedestal) yet you still managed to find success.

Note that it was only AFTER you satisfied your desire for pussy that you wanted to achieve more. The reason why you were able to slay was because of the various forms of game you learned. Given that your desire to achieve more came after the fact, I doubt that all problems with women can be fixed by adopting that mindset.

Overall, you slayed because of the game that you learned, not because of the mindset described in this post.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did he really though? if he is posting on here then isn't his emotional life still in some way revolving around women?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

  • "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things (accomplishments and aspirations), not because they are easy, but because they are hard"

JFK

[–]sadguy885 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Anyone who needs to say "fucking" every sentence is obviously not a real man. Turn in your balls, boy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Language Nazis!

Anyone else support banning this dolt?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think there might be something to what he's saying though. I've noticed my own need to say certain words so that what I'm saying sounds modern yet the words themselves are actually useless.

[–]sadguy880 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

What makes me a dolt? Getting annoyed by gamers who need to feel tough by cursing all the time?

[–]rp_newdawn 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Quality fucking post as usual SWTDO.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Shifting the masculinity frame from her to you is literally the keys to the handcuffs of oppression.

Yes most of us began looking for tricks fool women into fucking us. A few enlightened men just decided to put in the work to be the man women want rather than pose as such a man

Great job making the exact connection where MGTOW goes very wrong. They decide skipping dinner, lifting, and personal growth is extremely hard and women arent worth it.

That part is true, bitches arent worth the effort, BUT YOU ARE.

Love yourself as its the only true love a man will find (except maybe from dogs)

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That part is true, bitches arent worth the effort, BUT YOU ARE.

EXACTLY. This is what MGTOW and a lot of dudes in general seem to miss. It's not about the women, its about YOU.

[–]Fat_Fucking_Lenny 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Masculinity is what men want of other men.

I disagree. For me, personally, masculinity is a value system that is based on YOUR own perspective. Not one that is based on others' point of view. That is not to say that you cannot absorb someone else's ideas. Just that all other values/philosophies are filtered through your own, I.e., not being a sheep.

You must also constantly add/refine your values based on the current reality, otherwise you will become self deluded.

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck!!! There is always a fucker who disappoints me because I found he lacks one those virtues. A sudden anger takes over me when I see faggy behavior. Maybe the ultimate goal for me, from now on, is form a group of men who are strong, disciplined and reliable. Maybe that is what I need now.

OP, how would you go about it?

[–]ChromeJester 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus Christ preach man!! This is one of the best posts on here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

fuck yeh. well said. on a side note this is why team sports can have a very positive impact on a man. earn respect from your brothers and become athletic then when you win that premiership there must be no sweeter feeling. for the glory!

[–]PissedPajamas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's this meme on alt pages that goes:

2016: "here's a picture of your grandpa back then"

pulls out a 1950's portrait of a well groomed, well dressed, muscular man with a DGAF facial expression

2070: "here's a picture of your grandpa back then"

pulls out a picture on an effeminate man in a cat suit drinking milk from a dog bowl with a leash on

I think that sums up what's wrong with the world nowadays

[–]juunnioorrr 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

With this frame, you are gonna get REAL SICK of women, and game. No matter how many 10s you pull, SHE AINT WORTH YOUR FUCKIN SOUL BRO. She isnt worth your identity, your integrity, your motherfuckin PURPOSE in this world.

This is so true. At the begginning of my RP journey, I used to do everything I saw on this sub and did it bring me success? Very much so. I'm not an ugly kid so once I learned the game, I was having a blast. until I realized that I had no real purpose if not but to keep chasing pussy (endlessly swipping on tinder instead of going to bed for example) or going to a club and feeling sad for not brining home someone.

But then, I realized that I had a purpose. I had this longing inside of me for a really long time to be great. To be someone, people looked up to, to be a productive member of society. I know I want to get out of the job that have and start my own business, I have places I want to travel to, I have a country which I want to rule one day (story for another time) and once I realized this pussy became so isignificant to me. I no longer make it my mission but rather a side effect of lifting weights because I feel good doing it and dressing well for the same reasons.

A lot of newbies get their dicsk hard because they see all the crazy shit you can do if you read all those posts. But I think it's necessary in some part to go through this phase and realize TRP is way more than gaming and having sex with women.

Great post.

[–]fur10us_falcon 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a 27 year old virgin how do I stop putting it on a pedestal?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit. Epic. If anyone reads my comment history, this is the shit right here

[–]Stefto 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

First of all.. I love your user username. As secondly a very good read, masculinity is a very good topic and this one describes it pretty well in my opinion.

[–]Koryphae_ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post, whether it is a work of somebody else or not, it does not matter. This is what actually benefits to the mindset of us, Thanks for bringing it to us.

[–]anonymouspolitical 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

anonymouspolitical• 1d Billy was a boy with no arms, but he still loved to play with the neighborhood kids. When they played baseball, he was the umpire. When they played cops and robbers, he was the 2nd best robber any of them had ever seen. When they played catch, he made amazing catches. But no matter how successful Billy was, Billy couldn't feel like he was a part of the group because they never would take his accomplishments seriously. So Billy went to a local pillar of the community, who asked Billy what was wrong, and comforted him as best he could. Afterward, Billy was happier than he had ever been, and when he returned to the group of friends, they couldn't help but ask why Billy was so happy. Billy replied, beaming, that the pastor had made him feel better. The other boys asked what he had told Billy. The pastor had told Billy that out of all of the boys, he was his favorite and to always remember that even the boy with no arms can give the best head if he sets his mind to it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've never heard a women refer to dating men as "catching all the dicks" I thought we were filthy sluts? maybe you should think of women as individual human beings, that would solve this "pedestal" thing your always talking about doing.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Really? You've never heard anything like that? I know someone who once told me "My dick game was so much more fluid last year, I don't know what's wrong."

[–]2awalt_cupcake -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

ok but do you fuck as many girls now as you did in your PUA days? How has the quality of women changed with these lens as opposed in the past?

[–]r4bbl3d4bbl3 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bro, you are missing the point of his post. Don't put the pussy on the pedestal, forget women altogether, real men fuck other men.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lmao you're right I've been doing sex wrong

[–]canttouchdieser -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

● Talks about honor. ● "Literally if any one of you fuckers remember..."

[–]sadbasturd99 -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Title says one reason. Several paragraphs of nonsense follow. I am none the wiser. Did this asshole actually say anything ?

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