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Hey guys, I wanted to give something back to this community that has given so much to me. I've been into game and later general self improvement for eight years now, with a lot of ups and downs. Currently I'm 22 and have fucked over 120 girls, mostly hot, with 50 of them occurring last year. I've fucked models, a TV actress and been in a serious relationship with a very beautiful and supportive girl. I don't say any of that to boast, I just say it so you can trust me. I remember reading this stuff and wondering if the guys who wrote it really got laid. Well, I do.
I think it’s fairly well established both scientifically and within our society that looks matter. I’ve personally improved my looks a lot through the following:
• Diet for better skin and physique. Don't just eat meat. I did that for a long time, ruined my complexion. Eat a lot of greens, carrots (they make your skin glow) and as many other colours as you can.
• Lifting- I’ve lost 20+ kilos (45lbs) of fat and put on 30 kilos (65lbs) of muscle since I started. Currently at what I would consider my optimal; 90kgs at 6-8%bf, 190cm tall. 195lbs at 6’3 for the Americans. You have to find what works for you personally here, the best in my opinion is high-density training with heavy (80-95%1RM) weights for reps in the 1-6 range. I do that until I hit a total number of reps, usually between 15-30. Sometimes I do high rep days with body-weight stuff because I find it keeps my muscles looking fuller. I also do body-part days a few times a week to catch lagging spots. Those together solved the major problem of looking squishy and blocky from lifting heavy followed by overeating. The SS method and Stronglifts are good to start but after a year or two you need to focus on lagging body-parts. I made the mistake of not doing that and ended up with a huge torso and thighs but no arms. Don't be me three years ago; do your curls and laterals.
• Grooming. All the basic shit like brushing the teeth 2+ times a day, flossing daily and showering regularly. I also starting plucking my eyebrow into two eyebrows at a young age. Now I shape the bottom part so they’re symetrical, which has made a difference too. Never shape the top though because the regrowth is obvious and if you get an ingrown hair it will be attention grabbing.
• Dressing better. Finding a style is the main thing. Personally I usually wear black jeans and a t-shirt, shirt or polo. Just wearing black jeans makes you stand out from the norm on its own so adding something like a bracelet or necklace can give you an image. That’s what I’ve found anyway, but I’m dark featured and tanned with brown eyes so I think it just suits what I look like. Honestly though don't go too nuts with this one. When you look 100% you have what I call "glow", where girls just zip their eyes to you like moths. You only need this to get that glow. I've picked up girls in a ripped singlet and my underwear before.
• Haircut. Didn’t realize how big this was until this month. I’ve been growing my hair and getting it cut on the sides every few weeks, it’s just gotten to a point where it has enough volume to do sex hair and/or slick it back. Not with wax/gel, just water. Fuck looking like a guido.
I’d say I started at a six in terms of looks, eight years later and I’d say I’m an eight or nine, based on girls and hotornot. I’m not sure if that’s indicative of what everyone can accomplish, but having talked to other people in similar boats two points on the looks scale takes 5-10 years. I have noticed reactions improving massively, not just from confidence or anything like that. I was still borderline autistic and only had two or three friends by the time I’d got to seven looks. I hadn’t even kissed a girl and nearly fainted during my first approach the next year.
I can vouch strongly that improving your looks just makes life easier that holds permeance across scenarios and environments. It has the same benefit as being rich: you get more opportunities in all of life’s arenas. Right now, I’m going to talk about getting laid.
How to Pick Up Girls if You Are Good Looking
There is this behaviour stereotypically assigned to men who are good with women that could be summed up as being an asshole. Think about most movies, television and even primarily media figures like Charlie Sheen. The problem is, they’re the minority and they’re getting laid despite that. I’ve been there- I got into game eight years ago. I’ve stayed in for all of that time bar one year. I’ve tried all the big ‘methods’ to get girls, from Mystery and C+F (including the extreme “GrandMaster” version where you tell sex jokes as the entire interaction) to obscure guys like Krauser and Assanova. Anything vaguely mainstream I’ve tried, Mode One, Gunwitch, 60 Years, RSDeveryone and of course in more recent years the RedPill stuff. A consistent theme is to act like you don’t give a fuck, say polarising things and otherwise try to divide people into supporters and haters. The issue is that really seems like an act. Even when it isn’t. Being a dick can be really, really fun and I know that. It can come from a place of insecurity though- bullies are cowards. Acting like that is reaction seeking, a crutch to validate someone by making them feel important.
Now don’t get me wrong, it does work. The reason it does work though is because some people will find it entertaining and clap for you, some people will be offended and some of the girls who like you will be into it. You could figure out all the girls who are into you instead of trying to fight and ‘attract’ them since so many of them want to fuck already. Girls also have one night stands. The population in the Western world is near on 50:50 with slightly more women overall. For every one night stand a heterosexual guy has, a girl has one too. This isn’t happening because of the oh-so massive online community of the Manosphere, it’s mostly just 'normal' ('alpha') dudes. What works better is just being a nice guy (not a niceguy) and trying to find a girl who likes you, touching her then inviting her somewhere private where you can have consensual intercourse.
Approach
There are two ways that I’ve found work really well. They’re both non-offensive and won’t cause a major reaction, allowing you to know any positive reaction is because she is interested in meeting you. This is the basic tenement: you want her to be reacting positively because she wants to fuck you, not because you're acting like X. There are other ways but these are the best I've found after trying a huge variety of them for the better part of a decade.
The first I would recommend for beginners because the signs are more obvious. For this, you just go up and say hello to a lot of girls or interact in some quick manner. Something that worked really well for me was just walking through the party/club and hi-fiving everyone. It puts you in a good mood as well. I often walk around and offer to cheers people. Literally anything where it’s coming from a positive, non-confrontational place and requires some form of interaction from them. You can then read into that and know whether or not to keep talking to them.
Common sense: if they’re cold just leave. They’re probably not having a good night or aren’t interested in talking to you for some reason. It could be a friends’ big day, they could be pregnant, the could have a sore throat… she knows, you don’t. Just move on and let her do her own thing. Yes, you can win girls over sometimes. I have ended up taking a woman home that was initially an outright bitch. She said a bunch of insulting shit about me within the first few sentences and was super aggressive but I stuck with it and pulled. However, in most cases it just wastes time persisting when someone probably doesn’t like you.Even when I have had sex with someone like this it is shittier sex as we didn’t actually like each other.
You are presenting invitations for a girl to let you know she likes you. That’s the best way I can sum it up.
The other ‘method’ is to just relax with friends at a bar, on the beach or at a social sport- basically anywhere a lot of people are around and especially events. Then if a girl holds eye-contact for a long time or gives you some other sign- like bumping into you when there is space to walk around or turning her body towards you while she is talking to her friends- then she wants to talk to you and will thus be receptive to it if you go up.
This is basic stuff but most game guys I know miss this because they’re too busy wandering from one end of the club to another literally chasing pussy. Walk around the club once, get a feel of the place and then just chill with a friend at the bar or something. The girls who saw you and are into you will slowly migrate towards you. Girls are shyer than guys in general and won’t approach, but I find they do the same thing a lot of guys do in that they start to orbit guys they like. I’m sure if you’ve gone out for a lads night you’ve found the group slowly migrating from place to place to be near hot girls.
I find this in a more general sense as well. Again this should be obvious but girls that like you will reinitiate for dates, respond to texts well and just be generally easy to deal with.
Middle
Building on that, this is basically what you want to be. Not an orbiter but someone who is easy to justify hanging out with. When you’re good looking, have cool hobbies and aren’t acting like a dickhead that is very easy to do. Girls who want to fuck you will be able to do so without fear of her friends judging her for fucking the asshole/ugly guy/loser with no life. That is literally the biggest roadblock to having sex for a girl. Slut shaming- especially from other women- cuts them far worse because women are more sensitive to being ostracised. The main thing you want to do is have universal appeal so that all of her friends can at least see why she’d fuck you. You can do that by having an extreme of something- being way better looking, richer or more famous than her and then acting however you want. Or you can be good enough in all of those (usually a shockingly low standard) and be someone who they like being in the presence of.
Once you’ve found a quality girl who responds you just have to be polite, responsible (for the interaction and consequence, ie plausible deniability) and mildly interesting for her to want to have sex with you. That will instantly distinguish you from majority of boys- who are either too scared to talk to girls, too awkward or uncomfortable to be around. The only other thing you need to do is touch her. Get consent. Yes. You actually read that. I don’t mean ask her if she wants to be touched, but do what chicks do and read the situation. A girl bumps into you, if you respond she will stop and chat. It’s the real-world equivalent of a poke on Facebook, when that was a thing. Just like when you’re starting these conversations you get permission from her before ramping it up again. Then if she gives it, you just do it.
To clarify, I don’t mean literally say “can I touch you?” like those God-awful college ads. I mean you should start touch reciprocally: give her another chance to interact and decide her own comfort level. This is good for you as well because you’ll learn to gauge how into you she is from how responsive her touch is. A good place to start is comparing height, hands or other body-parts. Wiith hands you hold your hands palms together, if she keeps holding it like that she likes you. Another one was is to spread your arms for a hug, but don’t step into it. Keep rooted to the spot. The more contact and the longer she lingers the more she likes you. Another good one is to say "this (clothing) feels great" then stroke whatever item it is. She will usually want to touch it to. Bonus points if you're ripped and she gets tingles from rubbing the washboard. I also use my hair sometimes because it really does feel great.
From this point you can start to ramp up the touching. 99.99% of girls will be comfortable will this, but of course if crazy Tumblr womyn is your type then maybe not
Location to House
If you’re out at night the standard thing to do is just invite them over. Ask them to come to your house for a drink. Keep your house stocked with a couple of spirits, some mixers and wines, you’re fine. Usually I pour the drinks and we don't even finish them, but I still pour them because that is totally why we came back to my place.
Anything else that she can tell her friends before she leaves or the next day works too. The main thing is that she wants plausible deniability- so she doesn’t just say she fucked you, she wants a narrative. She doesn’t want azero context gonzo fuck, she wants to remember it as a series of exciting events. I like to imagine girls telling their friends the story (which they do nearly every time) knowing it sounds like a good time. That’s the test I use to judge whether or not what I’m inviting them home for is good. So “play with my snake” is probably shitty but “play snakes and ladders” is surprisingly good.
During the day it’s the same thing, just don’t invite them for drinks. Anything else that you could use at night is probably fine. One recent example for me is inviting a girl upstairs (I met her at the bottom of my apartment) to watch Live at Slane Castle by the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Some other things I invite girls home for are reading something I’ve written (poems, short stories etc), seeing the view from my apartment, watching some show we talked about or anything like that. Even just a song you want to play them is usually enough. They already want to come home with you, you’re just giving them a reason to be ‘allowed’ in their own mind. They want to feel good about their choice whether or not they sleep with you as a result of it.
The main thing is learning to read when to pull the trigger on the invite. You’ll get this with time but usually it is very easy to tell. If a girl is very touchy feely. Asking you a lot of questions. Complimenting you a lot. Following you around without you asking her to. Just think what girls in high school used to do when they liked a guy.
House
Ask her to take her shoes off and go sit somewhere relaxing. Usually couch or balcony, although if it’s late on a weeknight we’ll hang out in my room so my roommate can sleep. I've never had a girl be weird about that before. Just relax and vibe with the girl here. By this point it’s probably safe to assume you’re hugged and made other similar levels of contact. Have an arm around her, kiss her or anything like that. Make out for a bit and escalate to sex. Try to actually turn her on as opposed to just put your hands all over her. It isn’t so much about the destination as the journey. Two really good things I’ve found of moving it forward are to guide- not push, guide- her hand towards my dick. She will usually continue and take initiative by playing with my dick. Maybe 10% of the time she won’t, so I’ll slow it down a little and most of the time she will be responsive from that point on. I literally never encounter LMR because non-verbally asking a girl what she is OK with is enough to make her comfortable having sex with you. This is again gauging consent by 'asking' for her to reciprocate physicality.
Other times I sort of ‘pause’ the interaction to see if she wants to go further are whenever I take an item of clothing off- she will have to sit up to take off her top and arch to take off her panties- when I want to penetrate her and when I want to fuck her. With the latter two I generally just literally pause before doing the act and look at her. Actually look at her, not staring but appreciating why I decided to ask this girl into my bed. If you look into her eyes thinking "this girl is fucking beautiful and I love the life that has led me here" she is going to see that and be immensely aroused. I’ve never been at this stage and had a girl stop me but sometimes she’ll say “Are you wearing a condom?” or similar. That’s actually pretty rare and more often I hear “you don’t have to wear a condom.”
For the uninitiated, if a girl tells you that you don’t have to wear a condom the first time you have sex with her then you definitely should wear a condom. I don't always but that's a mistake.
After
If you want to meet up with her again just do it. Call her, text, whatever. Sometimes she won’t want to but usually she will if you had good sex. I'd say message/call sooner rather than later, because some girls feel extremely slutty after a one-night stand. For the most part though 2-4 days is fine.
The only piece of advice I’m going to offer is to not hang out more than one or two times a week unless you want to date her, because if you do she may get feelings for you. I find some girls can see you more often but for the most part after a few months of that, she will likely ask you were it is heading.
That’s pretty much 99% of all game there.
Misc.
Some pieces of advice don't matter 9/10 times. One of them is keep your room clean. The thing is, it's such a low effort thing to do that the 1/10 it screws you over just isn't worth it; so keep your room clean.
Having a stuffed animal or some such in your bed is an awesome way to make a girl feel comfortable. I had a huge bunny in my bed, girls would always cuddle it and ask me for the bunnies story. That meant they got into my bed (they had an excuse) and were already cuddling our sex pillow. Seriously, stuffed toys are better than the professional sex pillows and I wish I knew that before blowing $60 on one.
Make sure you have a lava lamp, lamp with a dimmer, candles or some other ambient lighting. If you live somewhere hot have a fan. Just anything you can think of to increase comfort. I personally have scented candles because I got bought 120304924 of them last Christmas, but I am thinking of getting a lava lamp.
If you have things that are clearly womens in your room (bobby-pins, stockings etc) that usually plays out well that night IME, however it does seem to decrease the number of girls who are willing to meet up again slightly.
Change your sheets every two weeks or so, because even though they seem clean to you after that stretch they probably aren't. This pays dividends in regards to skin health as well.
Have a towel for any girl you sleep with. If you want to do stuff like anal, facials etc than giving her the ability to wash up afterwards is a must. You sex can have a lot more variety if you have that. I also have womens shampoo, conditioner and body-lotion because my ex kept bringing it over for a few months after we broke up. This works as bait to keep the really hot girls at your house for a few days so you can have a weekend of hedonistic pleasure.
Close
I hope this can help out some of you guys. If you need me to elaborate on anything just ask, I'm happy to help.
You might notice I said little about conversation. That's because I've never really found it to help or hinder unless I go to an absolute extreme. If I had to give one piece of advice on this topic, it would be talk less.
As a summary of the basic points:
Maximize your looks. This is a continual process, they should always improve. If you are very experienced, look for girls who are into you. If not 'ping' girls to find out with something low effort that requires them to invest, like a hi-five or cheers. Once you find a girl who reacts positively beyond just being polite, start touching her. Pull back your touch and see if she moves towards you or reciprocates. Give her opportunities to touch you- hold your arms out for a hug, say your shirt feels nice etc. Invite her home (when she gives you anime eyes) with a plausible excuse. Drinks, movie, music and poetry are all fine.
Keep your house relatively clean and if possible have a reason to be on your bed- stuffed animal, roommate asleep, travel photos, etc. Have ambient lighting and escalate to turn her on, not to fuck her. Those together will eradicate LMR.

[–]roeddit points points [recovered]

you want her to be reacting positively because she wants to fuck you, not because you're acting like X... You are presenting invitations for a girl to let you know she likes you.

After a decade of game, this is what I've come to as well. The other benefit is that it allows you to get out of your head and just enjoy life - even if you don't get a reaction/validation/whatever.

[–]IncelNoMore 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, that's exactly what my friend who's like, a god with women used to say. Sometimes we were hanging out with girls and he'd give them a sexy stare and/or some comment, and then he'd turn to me with a grin and tell me "I'm just throwing some fishing nets, and then see who gets caught".

[–]booty_boy 83 points84 points  (11 children)

A lot of this post seems like bullshit, but one thing I will say in relation to this post...I'm one of the lucky ones who just happens to be good looking, and regardless of if I have/had game or not, getting women to sleep with me has never been an issue.

TRP taught me NOT TO PUT THE PUSSY ON A PEDESTAL. That has changed my life in the sense that I don't base what I do, or how I act and think off of a woman. If we stay true to our philosophies in the "Manosphere" then we KNOW that women are hypergamous, opportunistic, manipulative people by nature!

I've been subscribed to TRP for about three years now, but for the last two of those years it's been very intermittent. You know why? Because I've been out improving my life. Building my career. Trying to advance and construct a pleasurable life for myself.

I don't know what's happened here lately...I always run into angry minorities in the comments cursing all these "Chads" (whatever the fuck that means) because they want to be able to fuck white women too. Just stop to think for a minute...do you sound like a fucking pussy? Get out from behind your computer, go out into the world and improve yourself FOR yourself. Everything else will fall into place.

[–]LanAlMadragoran 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't know what's happened here lately...I always run into angry minorities in the comments cursing all these "Chads" (whatever the fuck that means) because they want to be able to fuck white women too. Just stop to think for a minute...do you sound like a fucking pussy? Get out from behind your computer, go out into the world and improve yourself FOR yourself. Everything else will fall into place.

Ask not for a lighter burden, but for broader shoulders.

[–]OneMoreBadger 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Why did you say white women specifically? That's a very odd thing to do

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Because they blame society for not being able to fuck them rather than themselves.

[–]OneMoreBadger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? I'm asking him about the white part specifically

[–]booty_boy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Because I've seen that exact complaint a few times over the past couple of weeks. It's really just a minor example of the theme I've been feeling here lately. There's "anger phase", and then there's surrendering to uncontrollable circumstances and bitching and moaning, instead of adapting and growing. Like MEN do. That's what I'm here for...to be a better man. The women are just the icing on the cake, regardless of the flavor.

[–]OneMoreBadger 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can you show me an example or two of those complaints?

[–]tsirolnik -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Looking good != Success with women.

You must have confidence too

[–]LordShoan 232 points233 points  (69 children)

No1's gonna call bs on the 6-8 %bf at 90kg?

[–]C-grij 132 points133 points  (17 children)

I agree. That's like pro-bodybuilder level. No way he's 6-8%. He's prob more like 12-14 (people never know how to estimate).

[–]Acropoe 118 points119 points  (0 children)

Who cares?? Look what the man wrote! Y'all focusing on the wrong things here. Felt like I was reading Neil Strauss or something.

[–]falconpush 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Unless they had a Dexa scan...

[–]C-grij 16 points17 points  (0 children)

There are issues with all methods of measuring body fat, even dexa. They're not normally 100% accurate. Lots of youtube vids about it / studies that show that there's a lot of variation.

[–]2kez88 8 points9 points  (8 children)

6-8% at 6'3 195 lbs isn't pro body builder. Height makes a huge difference. I was those exact stats pretty much with some gear and 3-4 years training when I was prepping for my Mens Physique show

[–]C-grij 19 points20 points  (2 children)

You're right, its definitely possible with gear IF you've been prepping. When I said pro bodybuilder, I meant it to encompass physique too.

[–]2kez88 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It does encompass physique too usually, my misconception was with the 'pro' part, which there is a big difference between the pro's who make a living from it and the amateurs who do it for fun

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Ah that makes sense. If the guy is 5 8 and 90kg at 6%, my niggas going to be pretty fuckin juicy. But if he's 6 4 90kg at 6% that's kinda embarrassing 😂

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 6 points7 points  (1 child)

If you are competing in a men's physique show you are already a pro bodybuilder compared to the rest of the human population.

[–]2kez88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I suppose. When I saw Pro bodybuilder I assume Pro to mean makes a living from bodybuilding, which are usually much bigger/leaner than the guys who have competed once or twice, like myself

[–]BinaryResult 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm 6'3" 199 lbs and there's no way I'm lower than 15% because I still don't have visible abs (although I'm getting close).

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

No it isn't. It's the sup I'm IIFYM 20s, party every night, but do enough clen/tren and dnp if I'm that dumb.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not pro level bodybuilder. He hasn't given heights. If he's natural then there's no way he is 6-8% BF. He's probs like 10-14% thinks he's 6-8% it happens.

[–]AGallopingMonkey points points [recovered]

Yeah that's immediately what I though. Dude is probably closer to 10, if anything.

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 36 points37 points  (10 children)

I'm posting this as a placeholder comment for an image once I've finished work. For me personally putting on muscle is a struggle, but keeping lean is super easy. I just don't like eating that much; I got up to 100kg at 12% bf and have been dropping about a kilo a fortnight since, whilst still gymming.

Edit: my phone camera fucking sucks. I'll upload the pic in a few minutes but it's looks like it was taken in a sauna. I'll post a whole new topic about my experience at different weight and bf% with pics that will be a lot better. I'll also try to dig up a better picture because there are some recent ones on Facebook from orientation week.

I warned you.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

would love to see the physique pics

[–]1mozeiny 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Reverse img searched this and it checks out. (aka it's a unique photo)

[–]Rougepellet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Idk why people find it so unbelievable. 6'3 is tall so it wouldn't be too hard to be 8% at 195lbs

[–]Toker95 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Another angle? Those are not 16 inches btw lol

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're 42cm, slightly over 16in. I'm not tensing that arm at all because it made the camera shake. I couldn't get any other angles to not look like utter shit sorry. For some reason my phone camera is really foggy, even after a clean and my body blocks the lights if I stand face on. Like I said I'll post better pics later once I've had a chance to find more, but they won't be as up-to-date as the one I took 30min ago.

[–]newflame97 0 points1 point  (1 child)

OP just curious have you ever run any low-dose test?

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. I'm strongly considering going on a cycle soon however.

[–]meaningintragedy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

His genetic maximum at 5% BF is 190-100 which is 90kg (source: leangains.com). His numbers seem legit to me.
But yeah 6% BF is competition level and I doubt it's his BF 365 days a year.

[–]underdestruction 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thats under 200lbs at 6'3, not that outrageous.

[–]mdimeo 5 points6 points  (1 child)

the body fat seems low but but 195lbs at 6'3" isn't anything crazy for somebody who's been lifting a while

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

mfw 195 is my cutting weight....

[–]Kalidane 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fo sho

Let's skip the verbiage and get to the DEXA scan results

[–]Nikelu 1 point2 points  (2 children)

He is tall so could be true. I'm 1.86 and I weigh 96kg atm around 15-6% imo, visible 6 pack and obliques and quad striations and still wanna shed some weight off. Depends on how many years of training you have under your belt. So I think he isn't bsing

[–]poochman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why does years of training matter?

[–]Nikelu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More muscle accumulated all those years.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

BF measurements are usually way off and 8% isnt that crazy. Add the usual 4% and its a very normal 12%.

[–]shadysal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not to mention the Erectile dysfunction and general low energy feel at said bf%. 12-15% with 2% deviation is optimal in my experience.

[–]JustinDX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bro at 190cm.. 90kg is small, im 178cm 6-8% 76kg, lacking in the arms/shoulders/traps department

[–]bigmfkr 0 points1 point  (19 children)

Yeah, while not eating meat. OP's full of shit.

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I eat a lot of meat. I didn't need to push the benefits of meat to TRP though so I only mentioned that vegetables are awesome and we should all probably eat more. I feel a lot better eating 200g less steak and an extra six serves of vegetables a day.

[–]murvish45 11 points12 points  (15 children)

Not really. Im around 6'3 225 -245 depending on the season (i play college football) and get around 80-90% of my calories from plant based foods. Personally i find it really helps recovery from training. And my Crp (inflammation markers) dropped in half since changing over.

Id say around half the other guys on the team, especially the skill position guys are vegan or close to vegan. A lot of the protein guidelines people follow are total bullshit. Our nutritionists have me on 155grams protein per day and i maintain 225 easily.

In season my fat % is higher around 12-14% but off season its quite easy to maintain 8-10% without much thought.

And depending on the method he used to measure it could be off by up to 5% even if it was a dxa scan.

But ya OP might be blowing smoke up your ass you never know

[–]legno 6 points7 points  (9 children)

Wow, I played years ago, never would have imagined so many guys playing would be vegan. They had us eating a lot of meat and cheese and milk then, lol.

[–]murvish45 10 points11 points  (7 children)

I didnt like the idea at first. But the diet is solid. Its shitty that whiny animal cunts, and virtue signallers are the face of the diet. Turns a lot of people off.

I know for a fact that a couple schools in my conference are implementing it.

[–]legno 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bet the linemen will be the last to make the change. Or maybe linebackers, since they kill their own meat, lol.

[–]analyticaltoafault 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Care to make a post in the fitness sub or give a quick few suggestions to similar plans to yours or share anything about your specifics in regimine? I know I'm not the only one very interested in this.

Thanks in advance, man!

[–]MillionaireSexbomb 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Do you have any articles related to that your nutritionists might provide? I'd like to look into it myself. Of course, a good amount of near pro and pro athletes also take gear and thus helps tremendously.

[–]murvish45 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

i'll look into it a bit later, i've got midterms today and tomorrow. and the gear thing is a bit of a myth, unless you're talking track guys. Football players get tested frequently and in general our physiques arent that great in season. plus gear usually pulls water and other fluids from ligaments and tendons which puts you at a huge risk for injury

[–]MillionaireSexbomb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've heard and read otherwise, on accounts of gear usage and on ligaments and tendons, through personal experience as well. Good luck on your midterms.

[–]Fitness---thing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha that's more pretentious than a whiny animal cunt you cunt srs cunt

[–]Ratroo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What paint based foods are there? Sounds nasty

[–]murvish45 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Quinoa, eggplant, lentils, chickpeas, trust me man. Basic cooking skills and it really isn't noticeable.

Plus fuck eating for pleasure, eat for performance. Do it for a month and the good feeling will overcome any taste barrier.

[–]Anonnitor points points [recovered]

I agree with eating a lot of plant based foods but don't think going full vegan is the optimal choice... There's too much missing from a strict vegan diet like organ meats and dairy which are important to help a body properly develop and stay at peak health...there are ways to keep inflammation low while still eating animal foods... like by eating the proper type of dairy (they aren't all the same and some cause inflammation -> 99% of the dairy you can find today causes inflammation). Also with respect to meat since the cows and pigs we eat lead such shitty lives and eat terrible food respective to them the stuff the meat they end up providing to us is usually inflammatory --> 99% of the meat you can buy today will raise your inflammation markers.

Anyways I am not trying to shit on a vegan diet -> I think its a huge step forward from eating a 'standard' diet , but my main point is I think there are better diets out there, especially for athletes. But I do also agree that stuff like keto is straight trash.

[–]murvish45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

exactly my opinion as well. im not trying to preach vegan. im pretty close to vegan but not completely. it gets a little tricky in regards to essential amino acids at times. plus im in a unique scenario because of football where i have nutritionists and training staff monitoring me.

I think it has a lot to do with overall glycemic load. Modified atkins (high protein high fat Moderate-low carb) works in a similar way by reducing the sugar intake and reducing the overall stress.

as to the look changes its alot about performance and steroids. we get tested way more often now, and in general you're going to play better at a more reasonable body fat. Also players have gotten much larger. im around 6'3 225 and im considered a tweener

[–]Byxit -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You're full of shit. What do gorillas eat? Here's a clue, it's not meat

[–]bigmfkr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, once you've become a gorilla, return here and push your vegeterianism.

[–]Bear-With-Bit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is why I read the top comment before I read the post.

[–]poochman 18 points19 points  (6 children)

Very interesting post and I'm definitely going to try this. To all of you saying you aren't good looking and this post doesn't apply to you, if you are eating healthy and lifting often then YOU ARE GOOD LOOKING. Remember, most guys don't lift at all. I'm 5'9 160. I'm nowhere near OP, but I lift heavy 6 days per week, eat clean, and my physique shows it. When I enter a bar girls eyes dart to me just like OP described because I'll almost always have one of the top 5-10 male physiques in the venue. My problem has always been what to do AFTER that. Looks will never get anyone laid alone.

Regarding your method, it is somewhat in conflict with most game being preached (RSD is the one I'm most familiar), where essentially instead of approach all you filter your approaches only to girls giving strong IOIs then escalate physically instead of verbally "gaming" them.

However this makes a lot sense, because all those PUAs really aren't much to look at (they don't really lift) and that's their point. That you don't need looks to pull and their game is optimized for that. However, their game may not necessarily be optimal for someone who DOES lift.

[–]Boovs4life 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Unless you have horrible acne scars like me. Even being in shape, 6'1 and eating healthy, you're out of luck.

[–]therealpkg 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Talk to a dermatologist. If you haven't, might be helpful.

[–]Boovs4life 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have but treatment is expensive as shit and i don't have insurance yet unfortunately to cover it.

[–]therealpkg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally understand the dilemma. Didn't do much research and consider myself lucky not to have any firsthand experience, but from a value / quality of life perspective it could be resources well invested.

[–]lacaprica 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can say for sure that RSD Max and RSD Julien lift.

[–]no_face 187 points188 points  (26 children)

6'3" that's already in the 97.4 percentile height

plus Good looking: You are probably in the 99.9 percentile of desired men

plus jacked low body fat: you are probably 99.9999 percentile.

In other words, this post is useless to 99.9999 percent of readers

[–]soupbrah points points [recovered]

Next Post: How to afford things if you're rich

[–]William_J_Bucksworth 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Bro, that sense of humor more than makes up for any lack of looks. Keep it going.

[–]lurkingtacopiller points points [recovered]

Yeah, this shit is wack. If you want a better post for how to pick up girls as an attractive guy, I've got a much simpler, shorter one: talk to them. Fin

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

You literally don't even have to talk to them. Just walk up and hand them your phone.

[–]Jigsaw-PZ 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Then go to the police and have her arrested for theft. That way you can see eachother again in court

[–]yumyumgivemesome 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Those stats are the reason he's fucked over 100 women by the age of 22. The advice is still solid for a short guy like me to improve from 1 new woman a month to 2-3 new women a month.

It's not so much that the advice is how he got there. The advice is based on what he's learned during those experiences.

[–]widec 52 points53 points  (3 children)

Seriously, attractive people giving dating advice is pretty much worthless. There's no way to determine if they are getting laid due to their looks or their game.

I want to hear from someone who is short, balding and has poor facial structure. If a guy like that is successful, you know for sure he's packing really strong game.

[–]thesquarerootof1 points points [recovered]

exactly. I am shorter guy at 5'5" and I have been with 4 girls in my life and I am 25. I guess that is not that great, but I am playing this shit on hard mode man, cut me some slack.

[–]widec 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Maybe you can step up your game and feed us some quality field reports!

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Flaw in your reasoning: assuming no correlation and you're cherry picking qualities.

Good looking, low bodyfat go together. Most men can be attractive if they lose BF. These go together, so you can't just multiply probabilities and get to 99.9999% inapplicability.

And you don't have to be 6-3 to be tall enough, although above 6 foot really does seem to help.

But most importantly, you could pick other sets of stats: Top 5% money, Top 5% dress sense, Top 5% in your social group. That's top 0.0125%. Still an attractive ombination, but this guy outcompetes OP on money, clothes and social standing in that group.

Point I'm making is that OP's post is useful if you are attractive in whatever setting you are in - height and low BF are good, but there are other ways for men to be attractive.

And the jacked/low BF thing is available to all men who can wok out where their nearest gym is. No excuses for not lifting.

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Yeah, there are a lot of good looking people with poor social skills not maximizing it from TRP, based on what I've read and my IRL friends. This is for them. If youre not good looking, go elsewhere for game advice. I'd say the best bet for anyone is just find a guru with a similar overall aesthetic, looks and style, then imitate them and add or remove things as needed.

[–]Chiptehubah 24 points25 points  (0 children)

People seem to be responding a lot with claims about "bullshit" etc. This is useful to me, I've got the good looking face, finally got my hair down, and lastly I'm back into lifting although yet to "make it." The part I've been missing since highschool is execution and you've outlined it well without relying on specific circumstances like many other posts tend to. Thank you, seriously. I'm saving this

[–]Returnofthemack3 15 points16 points  (2 children)

yeah it confuses me lol. Who the fuck needs tips if they're good looking. I dunno, seems like more of a stealth brag post

[–]grewapair 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The dude hasn't figured out all he has to do is show up.

He could put a live cobra on his bed and still score.

[–]theONE843663 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm 6'2 so it applies to me. But I don't give a shit about style and haircut so that message was a home Runner.

[–]akatsukirp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are plenty of good looking bp guys that dont get it. Whining that this post is useless because you consider yourself to not look a certain way is the problem. Change what you can. Op gives a great tool to waste less time (ie knowing when a girl is into you without having to invest time/emotion). Now you can focus on you and girls who actually want to have sex with you, for whatever reasons.

[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (37 children)

Good info. As decent looking fit tall guy I've had a lot of success just walking up to girls and saying their cute and asking what their names are. No tricks, negging, asshole-game was required. Simply getting myself out there was all that was needed.

But damn how 120 girls? I'm 21 and I've done 3. Lmao

Also, any advice for daygame?

[–]The1WhoCsAll 67 points68 points  (4 children)

Daygame is king for lowered defenses on high quality women.

Walk up. Introduce yourself and make conversation. Dont stutter or display insecurity. She'll either be friendly or not. Based on her feedback, proceed to get her number or bail. No shame in bailing on a stranger. They dont deserve an explanation and their opinion shouldnt affect your self-image. The end.

[–]greatslyfer 46 points47 points  (2 children)

Mfw I freeze up and don't approach this girl who was glancing towards me several times in the train.

Feelsbadman.jpg

[–]420KUSHBUSH 18 points19 points  (0 children)

You live and you learn. It can only get better from here on out.

[–]Boovs4life 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just happened to me this past weekend. By the time i gathered the courage to approach this HB8 she was gone. Smh

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (26 children)

50 in the last year means one new girl a week. sounds solid but thats alot. general principles of this post are okay but its a little guru-y

[–]Coach_DDS 30 points31 points  (2 children)

All I can think of when I think one new girl a week... is holy shit that's a lot of headaches.

There comes a time when you've done enough of the notch count thing that it starts to get tiring... almost like a job... and you realize that your time is more precious than that. Keep a steady stable... but one that won't destroy your sanity in the process.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

its just on what you want. i currently enjoy 2-4 casual plates being okay with just two and annoyed at five. three is nice but you always need a backup plan.

see these girls 2-4 times a month..odds are they are banging others but so are you. usually this filters in low maintenceish chicks that are easy to ghost or forget but fun.

[–]IncelNoMore 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It depends on people really, I have a friend who's last time I went on vacation with had a lay count of 300+ at 30 years old. I had never spent enough time with him to know what he was about, but we spent nearly 2 months travelling together and he fucked maybe 10 girls off the top of my head, and he was a bit frustrated. I realized how different you have to be to ever get close to that lay count. Basically he's in constant seduction mode and when he hasn't fucked for a week it's a big deal for him. I've gone 26 years without sex hahaha and now it's been 3 months again. He's a good looking dude but nothing crazy but he's got the best natural game of anyone I've ever met. Like ridiculous.

He also told me that when he worked as a barman, sometimes he'd fuck more than 5 new girls a week. And he's got standards.

[–]HoffAmazing 21 points22 points  (9 children)

I went to Duquesne University and it had a 7:1 girl to guy ratio. I played college football. That number was easy there.

[–]trippinallday 6 points7 points  (3 children)

7:1? That doesn't sound right. That's not even 15% male...

[–]needless_pickup_line 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Besides tech schools, colleges are in general 60:40 female/male. I wouldn't be surprised of a 1:7 ratio at some schools, especially in less urban areas.

[–]IncelNoMore 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It can be heavily skewed depending on your major. When I studied biology, in some specialties the ratio was something like 75:25 which is ridiculously high.

[–]trippinallday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But the entire school being 85:15? That's fairly implausible.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Didnt say it was a lie. Just put out the #'s. very realistic.

[–]dking168 14 points15 points  (2 children)

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/duquesne-university-3258

This article states that it's 40:60 ratio which nothing close to 1:7. This goes to show that the poster is probably exaggerating about everything. I don't doubt he gets laid but all his facts don't line up with reality

[–]Questionnaire7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That wasnt the OP that posted the 7:1 ratio, it was a regular commenter

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 14 points15 points  (10 children)

I wanted to see how many girls I could sleep with in a year. I did about two a week from the start to finish of Summer holidays, then one week from semester start until mid-sem. The weather got way worse and I settle down down with a cool chick for two months, then went to Europe for six weeks and slept with 17 girls. Got back and did one a week again, another two month break then realised I was at 45 at the start of December and decided 50 would be my goal. Got that Christmas Eve.

Would never do it again. I honestly felt somewhat depressed by all the meaningless sex I had. It was cool to see how well I could do though and it really improved my ability to pick up quality women.

[–]Boovs4life 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Any advice for guys in their late teens that still live with their parents to pull? Are we screwed? I doubt every girl would be down to fuck in the car. Thanks!

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Are we screwed? I doubt every girl would be down to fuck in the car. Thanks!

Some will be down for the car thing. If you're attractive and somewhat IDGAF, you can treat all "you live with your parents?" as a shit test. If you're on your mission, it's not a major factor.

Find girls with their own place.

You're fine, just work with what you've got.

[–]Nonstopas 2 points3 points  (3 children)

What about living in a small university dorm room which is basically just the bed and a sink? Also it's pretty far away from all the central located pubs bars and etc, so getting a girl home would take like an hour or more, i've read that this might ruin the mood and she might not want to fuck after?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Don't worry about this until this is an actual problem. When it's an actual problem, find a way to solve it.

The problems you will have are not the problems you'll think you have.

Yes you have a major mood shift between a bar and your bed. There are a million solutions to this: stay with a friend, stay at her place, car, etc.

[–]Nonstopas 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Since you're taking your time to replying to my comments i would like to ask you some more questions if thats okay. I only came to this whole redpill thing a few months ago, maybe even earlier, i started doing a lot of reading and these comments are one of my firsts in this sub because i just want to abstain from commenting and try it all together. I would at this point consider myself very aware of the redpill and the so called feminine matrix, im reading rational male everyday as well, it helps me keep the mindset stable, because if i don't read anything i feel that i go back to my old ways. I also started no fap, currently at exactly 60 days. Im only 19, but at this point im very focused on university, my job ( i am a bartender and seeking for my first promotion ever), i've been lifting for over 7 or so years ( started in early teens i was incredibly obese) and i had women constantly call me attractive, but i have never pulled any to my bed. Ever. I feel that at this point my eyes are opened but im yet to act alpha or adopt the whole actions, and i guess the only way to do so would be just keep trying and ignore the rejection, because "it's better to try and fail than not to try at all" ? Also is there anything else you would suggest to keep my frame and my mindset intact for a guy that's as young as me? Just basically i want tips to start enjoying life more.

[–]Questionnaire7 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Of course you can treat that line as a shit test but whats the response? A resounding "fuck yea"???

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Try to identify if it's a shit test or a comfort test.

"Yeah, I'm lucky enough that hot girls find me attractive" and/or "I'm just looking for a genuine girl to spend more time with".

If she's attracted enough she'll pretty much tell you the answers to the shit tests, ask again until she gets the right answer, and hamster herself around any "wrong" answers.

[–]Questionnaire7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought a comfort test was a type of shit test. So for comfort: I'm just looking for a genuine girl to spend more time with

For Shit: Yeah, I'm lucky enough that hot girls find me attractive" and/or "I'm just looking for a genuine girl to spend more time with

That right?

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Public and car. I replied before to the same thing but basically I think of you made public pulls your strong point you could get a lot of them.

[–]RPthrowawayacct 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bunch of haters in here. 1 a week is absolutely cake.

[–]HS-Thompson 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I literally fucked over 100 girls in 18 months once, I kept track. It's totally possible. Granted I was addicted to cocaine and amphetamines at the time so I had a little more aggressive stance than your average guy, but it's certainly logistically possible.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How did you did that? Threesomes in stuff?

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Don't go out to day game, go out to do something then if you see a girl approach her. I average one DG approach a day in 2015, which was my best year for daygame, despite doing about 20 times the approaches the year before. I think you end up seeming desperate when you go out during the day to pickup.

[–]SkaTSee 7 points8 points  (0 children)

not gonna lie, i'm curious to see just exactly what you look like

[–]renzoken99 5 points6 points  (1 child)

As a guy who's 24 and doesn't have anywhere near the success you've had, it both hurts and makes me want to improve. Not sure if I'm what people would call good looking but it is what it is.

[–]Jkarl1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't think you should fell hurt by a guy who's only mission in life is chasing women. Find a true purpose that benefits you and adds value to the world and woman will follow. Woman are attracted to strong men who have a real purpose in life and loose attraction when they find out "they" where the mission. Hence all the one night stands OP had. You will feel empty if you follow the path of OP because at the end of the day your mission was woman and woman don't want to be the mission. They want to help you complete your life's mission.

If OP would have dedicated the same amount of effort and resources into a new business or skill besides getting laid, he would probably have a very nice income and not be living in an apartment with a roommate. At the end of the day what did OP actually accomplish rather than a high N-count?

[–]yallapapi 5 points6 points  (2 children)

By far one of the best posts I've ever read on here. Well written and do the point. Valuable information and lots of it. 10/10.

Ignore the haters who are focusing on your bf and height. This is a hundred times better than most posts on here which essentially amount to: "I encountered a girl who acted like a slur, therefore AWALT".

I wish every post on here was as well written and bullshit free as this one. Hope you post more or start a blog.

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Thank you, I tried to make it something I would want to read. I'm going to write a few more. I was thinking one on LMR, one on escalation and one on the female ideal body-type because they're all things I know inside out.

[–]poochman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely would be interested in the last two.

[–]temerarious 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I met a girl on tinder the other night. Had a drink, chatted, very non-sexual and it seemed to be going nowhere though we were having a nice conversation. We went to leave and I gave her a hug, then said, "I know you said you have work in the morning, but if you wanna keep the night going I'll be up for a while." She said yes. I said I'm just gonna go back to my place and watch a movie if you wanna join. She said that sounds like fun.

There was no reason at all to think shit was gonna get sexual, but I simply gave her an innocent excuse. That's all it takes a lot of the time.

[–]DukeHorse points points [recovered]

Thank you for sharing. It was helpful. Where would you bring a girl if you are in college living with your parents and don't have your own house?

[–]Dookiestain_LaFlair 21 points22 points  (0 children)

buttfuck her in the back yard

[–]showerthoughtsgenius 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Car and park out at a viewpoint.

[–]failingtheturingtest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I moved home twice between the age of 19 and 25 for a couple of months a piece.
Both times I was single and doing well. I never had an issue from Mum or the sheilas I brought home. Except the story my mum told at my 21st (bonus points: she didn't realize that girl was there till she mentioned her name and everyone looked at her - so Mum was more embarrassed than I was from that story).

Like all things, as long as you're confident and don't treat it like it is an issue, they will follow suit.

[–]420KUSHBUSH 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Walking in a park would probably be my go-to.

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

No idea, I moved out of home at 15. I would say nust public sex. Probably 1/5 times I have sex its in public even with a home so it shouldn't be a big deal and if you purposefully go for that niche I would imagine great success.

[–]DukeHorse points points [recovered]

That's incredible! Based on your experiences, what are the best public spaces to have sex?

[–]failingtheturingtest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Quiet Parks / Golf Coarse at night.
If you can drive less than a few minutes and be 'rural', then the side of a road in/out of/on the car.
Industrial areas work, but I just don't like it there.
Any well maintained housing estate park. They are great because anyone who might spot you, will notice from far enough away and just avoid the fuck out of it.

[–]Newreddawn 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Jesus christ, the over analysis of game is real. So much of this post is common sense. The bragging about looks and n count adds nothing to the post and is gonna make a lot of dudes defensive. I've found the truly successful don't feel the need to boast about it on an anonymous forum.

It's mostly good advice. It's also well written. Hopefully people come away knowing more than before. And I know it's hard, because you're so young, but if your stats are true then none of this really matters to most people because you're gaming on easy mode.

As an example, try walking through a club high fiving people as a 5'5" dude with skinny arms. You're gonna have one shitty night because all the women will ignore you and the dudes will just laugh at you.

Some people really have to work on their charm and game, and those are the people who should be writing these posts. The ones who suffered in order to become great at what they do. Not someone who won the genetic lottery and thinks people love him because of his great personality. You have great intentions but try to pull your head out of your ass and really assess WHY people respond so favorably to basically anything you do.

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I know man, I was trying to write something for me when I was 18 and good looking, but had prioritised game over social skills and wasn't maximizing my potential. The thing is if a good looking dude does what an ugly guy does to pickup, it seems to be overcompensating and is shooting yourself in the foot. Basically just as the hot guys game is bad for the ugly guy, so too is the ugly guys game bad for the hot guy. I was lucky enough to 'meet' a Swedish guy online who taught me that this was the way to do it, because otherwise I'd still be an asshole fucking 7s and wondering why the hotties never want me.

[–]6ix_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You did good, OP. Your target audience was/is specifically good-looking guys. Great post.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As an example, try walking through a club high fiving people as a 5'5" dude with skinny arms. You're gonna have one shitty night because all the women will ignore you and the dudes will just laugh at you.

You have not actually done this, this is speculation... and the skinny arms are your fault, not anyone else's.

[–]failingtheturingtest 7 points8 points  (0 children)

try walking through a club high fiving people as a 5'5" dude with skinny arms.

Try walking in as a lanky 6'2" ginger with skinny arms.

You can make all the excuses you want. the only issue here is the skinny arms. I did not find success based on looks when I was younger because I was skinny/lanky and ginger. I still had success just because I was confident and happy.
Now that I've spent a good amount of time working my arse off, I can say that my looks help instead of hinder. And my success is both easier to come by and more consistent.

The only place a 5'5" dude with skinny arms should be walking into is a fucking gym.

[–]TheDicDoc 4 points5 points  (0 children)

u lost me at 120 girls at 22

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

LOVE actionable posts like these.

guide- her hand towards my dick

This works the vast majority of the time. If not, finger her over her clothes while you kiss her. Then guide her again. If this doesn't work, and you're already hard, just take your pants and underwear off and keep making out with her. Sweatpants are great for this because you can throw them off in 2.5 seconds. The audacity will be funny to her and seeing your hard cock will turn her on.

Any resistance she puts up, immediately retreat and keep the vibes funny and playful. Any sense of desperation or entitlement she gets from you will turn her off. Then, try again in 5 minutes. It's a dance. She can leave any time she wants..

[–]UnraisedPlum2 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Definitely get that lava lamp.

[–]poochman 2 points3 points  (2 children)

From this point you can start to ramp up the touching.

Because most of your game seems to be heavy on physical escalation, can you go into more detail on the kino ladder you use. Are you picking girls up literally, hugs, arm around them, how quickly do you go to make out, etc? Could even be a whole new article for you. I feel like I definitely have been under-utilizing touching in my bar/club game.

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Watch two girls who are really good friends talk, look at how much they touch each other and how. That's basically the same as what I do l. In terms of ladder, I always touch arms, shoulders and back first. To escalate that I touch the same places, but I slowly get closer to the girl. I use Xenos arrow here, halving the distance between us at every milestone but never quite getting to full-body contact. I won't touch anything more sexual than her neck or face (even then with an excuse like earrings) until we are at my house.

With making out I nearly always invite the girl home first. I find kissing breaks the sexual tension most times and it gives the girl a conclusion to her narrative. You don't want her to have closure til you've been inside her.

The exception to the above is very horny girls I'm going to try to fuck in public. I make out in the first five minutes, grab their ass and hold their neck. Usually just holding hands and asking them to come for a walk works here if you turn them on.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With making out I nearly always invite the girl home first. I find kissing breaks the sexual tension most times and it gives the girl a conclusion to her narrative. You don't want her to have closure til you've been inside her.

Great post and this is a great followup.

[–]2435734098 4 points5 points  (0 children)

lmao at the ugly guys being butthurt at a 'pickup guide for good looking men'

[–]anonniemoose 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"How to pick up girls when your good looking." Dude. That's all you need. Be attractive, don't be unattractive.

[–]KumatMibro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Totally off topic, but I love Live at Slane Castle; great taste.

[–]zetayshow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the post bro! Some good shit

[–]octave1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

LOL at inviting chicks in to watch a RHCP dvd, read your poetry or watch the view.

Where do you meet these girls, the special needs school down the road?

[–]LordThunderbolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, everybody is special to somebody.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In what context though? Were you a college student? Club promoter? Where did you meet the majority of those girls

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

120 starting in high school, gap year and a bit, two euro trips, uni, day game and nights out. I'm just making up numbers here but I'd say ~30 in high school, 20 my gap year and a bit, ~10 from uni, 20 from day game and the remainder from night time. Europe being a mix of day and night, more night overall but more day than my normal life.

For the fifty last year it was mostly done in three 'rounds', the first being Summer holidays, the second being Europe and the third being Christmas break. I only pulled one girl from uni, which is nothing for me but I was too focused on other things- IE study. I did I think five or so daytime pulls during my normal life and two or three in Europe, but again the majority would be night time.

I just have a normal job. I'm moderately popular at uni but not famous or anything, just friends with a lot of the people in the party groups because I used to go out a lot and we hang out sometimes. I also play social volleyball, which helps, although the season is over and I think I'll take up dance soon.

[–]PENIS_PUMP_GIRL points points [recovered]

Don't just eat meat. I did that for a long time, ruined my complexion

I've lived off grass-fed organ meats, fish and a little bit of spinach for the last year. My complexion is better than ever. There, your anecdote is shit.

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

You tried to refute my anecdote with another anecdote... science would suggest people who eat more beta carotene have nicer skin, so yes organ meat of vegetables is the way to go. Greens are also good for skin, as is a higher water intake, which vegetable help with.

[–]alvlear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

agreed. stopped reading after that.

[–]LordThunderbolt 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You must have lots of moneys to spend.

gibe me sum b0ss pls

[–]PENIS_PUMP_GIRL points points [recovered]

Low carb, low protein, high fat. Fat is cheap.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (37 children)

what if you are not good looking ? what if women smirk when they see your face ?

right, it's trp, if you are ugly you can go fuck yourself

And if you are asian you should kill yourself, all minorities should destroy themselves so that white chad can fuck HB9 because that's what womenz want

TRP : only for attractive people who forgot to lift somehow

if you are ugly and you do everything from TRP : let's quote Nelson : HAHAH

now, let's wait for the downvotes

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 58 points59 points  (1 child)

right, it's trp, if you are ugly you can go fuck yourself

That isn't our attitude at all, it's the attitude of women.

Look, we're being honest with each other. Don't hate TRP for telling you how the world works. The disney marriage happily-ever-after shit is a lie designed to get you to be a beta provider for women.

The truth sucks, it really does.... but you're better off for knowing it.

if you are ugly and you do everything from TRP : let's quote Nelson : HAHAH

What's the alternative exactly? Would the world be any better if TRP wasn't being honest with you?

Whoever you are... TRP lets you know the truth of the SMP so that you can maximise your returns from it.

If you're ugly, you should still lift for you - proven health benefits, increase in testosterone. You should still get BF down. No excuse to not look in shape.

And we also tell you how important social status is, and physical escalation, and everything else that will get you laid. You don't have to be hot to make this shit work for you, but we're not pretending it doesn't help.

TL;DR Don't shoot the messenger, we didn't invent this reality, women did.

[–]A_Rex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Way late to this party, but facial ugliness doesn't matter unless you're fucking hideous, as long as you have your body, game and frame on lock.

Look at some of these male "heartthrob" celebrities like Benedict Cumberbach. Chicks think he's "hawt" even though he's ugly as fuck. That's because his other attributes are so appealing they literally hamster his ugly mug into a positive, like he's "quirky" looking.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (13 children)

If you're too ugly, get to work and fix it.

If he can do it

He can do it

Then you only have excuses, and laziness.

You know who can kill themselves? The guys who come in here and bitch about being asian, indian, or ugly. They don't work at it, they don't build something worth fucking. They don't want to get good, they want to wallow. If you're not going to do anything, then you're better off sucking on an exhaust pipe.

Or, you get to work, hit your peak, and then we can talk about what options you 'dont have'

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (12 children)

i have hit my peak, making big bucks, lifting everyday, nice suits, watches, expensive german car, guess what it makes not difference, women still see me as a walking wallet while they throw themselves at stupid good looking chad it is not personal, it's trp

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

And your game? A lot of guys do half the work

  1. be attractive

  2. don't be unattractive. <-- this is the part that guys always miss, and overcompensate with 1.

I would also suggest 'practical female psychology' for a good read. I'll bet anything, you're using your money to signal betabux, attracting materialistas, and generally working against your own interests. If you want an adventuress, or a good girl, using bait for materialistas means you're working against your own goals. YMMV

spitballing here, I dont know your personal story, I only know what so many other brothers haven't done.

[–]Cesare_MA 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Just because you lift everyday doesn't necessarily mean you're jacked. What's your weight, height, big 3 lifts, and estimated body fat?

[–]Slut_Slayer9000 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Found the problem: your shitty self destructive attitude.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

that's the trap I fall into. you don't see life in a positive way when you experience shitty men and shitty women time after time

In fact, I now see that years of frustration and rejection have damaged my soul.

In the mirror, I see the face of a serial killer. Should I go kill some people to earn some respect ? I guess not. Because that's not who I am even if society tells me that minority x should behave like y.

Meditation helps, you can't escape from who you are within. Perhaps I am not that funny guy after all and that explains why women feelz I am not fun

[–]1SeemedGood 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I now see that years of frustration and rejection have damaged my soul.

I have been spending some time unwinding all that same pain now that I have swallowed the pill down far enough such that it's not coming back up, even if it's not yet been completely absorbed into my blood stream, and have come to the following places of rest on this:

  1. I don't think the rejection damaged my soul at all really. Like all of us, I was rejected far more than accepted, but when I look back on it the clean rejects where I was not led-on or toyed-with, and was treated like a human being didn't really bother me much beyond the initial twinge of disappointment. For me it was the ones where girls/women strung me out by encouraging me to extend and share my soul/essence with them and then rag-dolled me that hurt. Even then it wasn't the rejection that hurt, it was the complete disregard for my feelings/humanity/soul that was painful - the cruel stuff. Clean and respectful rejections aren't cruel at all. The pain came from the ones where they keep you interested with heavy flirting and emotional connection, and then sleep with all your friends while running you down to others. Or from the ones where they chase you for a year and when you finally just tell them that even though you feel strongly for them and would definitely be all over it except that you're married and you intend to stay faithful, they get you fired and ruin your professional reputation with a sexual harassment charge. It was the fucking cruel stuff where you are trusting/fool enough to extend your soul and then they just defecate on it that was damaging.

  2. But it wasn't really damaging. Cleaning shit off of your soul with a toothbrush and recovering the energy that you extended to them is no fun, but it's not damaging. Rather, it made me sad for humanity really and thus just generally a little despondent. I didn't understand how people could be like that and that was frustrating. I was frustrated because I believed the big lie that women are pretty much just like men, and I couldn't understand why they behaved the way they did other than just unfathomable cruelty.

  3. Once I figured out that they're different (but not the extent of that difference), I got my shite together and was more careful. At the time I thought that some women were out of touch with their souls and somewhat vapid and thus cruel. I didn't understand AWALT or from where the differences emerged, but I had internalized that the treatment I and almost all other men were getting was our fault for being too trusting and assuming good faith. That understanding helped me dodge excrement, care a lot less, and be more careful about sharing myself, which enabled me to start building some game and notching up some successes, but still left me vulnerable to being defecated upon by the "not like that women."

  4. After a couple of rounds of being defecated upon by women whom I hadn't thought "were like that," I found Rollo and the philosophy and everything started to make sense, particularly so in light of other philosophical thought that I had been studying for many years. As a result of the newfound understanding of just how unconscious women are (shockingly so) and why they are thus, I have been able to process all the defecation and understand it for what it is - the act of extremely unconscious beings. And just like that most of the pain and frustration faded, and with it the anger and what was becoming hatred. Once you realize that they're not actually being cruel, but rather that they are so disconnected from true consciousness that they really don't know any better than to see you and everyone else (with the possible exception of their children) as anything but objects for the provision of utility to themselves, you start to pity them a little, and they lose the power to hurt/damage you altogether.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

From my personal experience, they don't see children any differently.

And with your experience of women, are you still attracted them ?

I can't forget all that cruel stuff. One of them destroyed my career for stupid selfish reasons and admitted she wouldn't have done that if she had felt different about my value.

Sometimes I wonder that if they are so cruel, it is also because they think of men as something easily replaceable when they have the choice or the guy has low smv. They wouldn't be so cruel with someone they would fear to lose.

Their love is transactional, their cruelness deploys only when they know that can get something better and that they can get away with it.

That dark side of women makes them completely unattractive to me. I guess men who get women's best don't realise that or they get attractive sexy women and then the deal might be sweet.

[–]1SeemedGood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many mothers don't develop the ability to actually love their children and simply view them as objects which can provide utility to them, especially if they didn't have natural childbirths. The difficulty of pregnancy, childbirth, and infant care only gives women the opportunity to grow their consciousness enough to begin learning how to actually love another person - it doesn't guarantee that outcome.

Yes, I m still attracted to women, just to many, many fewer of them. I think that process starts as you expand your own consciousness and develop a better understanding of yourself and thus the world around you.

It seems like you're going through that process now. You're in what I recalled as the "hate phase" where I was so disgusted by women's behavior and what I thought could only be intentional duplicity and cruelty that they hardly seemed human. I was in that phase for a while.

My "hate" phase was exacerbated by a lack of understanding that made women seem untrustworthy, unpredictable, and therefore dangerous. I assumed that their behaviors were conscious and that therefore they were unconscionable. Additionally, I failed to understand the real drivers behind their behavior and so presumed NAWALT. I responded by changing my attraction cues to look for the "NAWALT" examples (unicorns) and that response happened to coincide with changing my attraction cues to be less visual and more substantive because I had found myself interested in and spending more time with physically exquisite women who were completely uninteresting.

I did end up better off for expanding my consciousness to the extent that I could redirect my attraction cues to de-emphasize looks a little and emphasize kindness, curiosity, and thoughtfulness. I even found a very high quality woman with whom to start a family as a result, but there was still AWALT, and I was unaware of that. Eventually it caught up with me, twice. One of those was a nuking of my (second) career and my professional reputation in the field.

While my wife has been a very good marriage partner and a phenomenal mother to our children, she is still a woman and thus suffers from dichotomous hypergamy and exhibits all the innate behaviors of women, just to a much lesser degree. So in the end, I chose well, but I have come to realize that she is not yet capable of actually loving me. To her credit, she is making a solid effort to learn how to love people other than her children, but she still lacks all the internal integrity/honesty necessary to objectively self-observe. Without that ability she has little chance at expanding her consciousness enough to develop the ability to use conscious will to overwrite her innate behaviors. We'll see, I suppose.

As I said earlier, once you begin to understand the innate behavior patterns, that they exist in all women, and that vanishingly few women ever develop their consciousness enough to supersede those patterns with conscious will, you also begin to see that they aren't actually being cruel because cruelty implies conscious intent. Rather, you see that they are simply severely lacking in spiritual development and have little conscious will.

When women see other people they are unable to see their souls at all and thus have very little ability to empathize with them. To them other people don't exist as whole human beings, they are physical objects which only exist for the purpose of providing utility to the self. You can't be cruel to an object that has no existence of its own, but neither can you actually love an object that has no existence of its own. Around these parts we call that a state of solipsism.

We can think of consciousness as as a continuum from inert matter to omniscience (God) and then apply a series of discrete steps to that part of the continuum that we might call human consciousness as follows:

  1. Awareness of the physical self - Ego-consciouness (the internal sub-conscious)
  2. Awareness of the external physical world - Consciousness of the structure of the physical universe
  3. Awareness of the spiritual self - Consciousness of consciousness itself
  4. Awareness of the spiritual world - Consciousness of other beings' consciousness
  5. Awareness of state creation - Consciousness of the structure of the metaphysical universe ...and so on.

Recognizing that the linear-continuum structure is an oversimplification in that each point on the continuum also has depth, the progression of one type of consciousness is co-dependent on all the others, and thus a more accurate graphical representation would be that of an expanding sphere, we can begin to use the continuum to consider how differing levels of awareness can map to individual maturation and psychological development.

We all acquire the first level of awareness in utero and the second when we are born. Thenceforth, the development of one's awareness is dependent on how one chooses to approach one's life. A state of solipsism can only be progressed from to the extent that one has developed sufficient fourth level awareness.

We all have our own individual paths through the development and expansion of consciousness, but all of them require objective self-observation arising from the friction created by difficult and adverse situations. Unfortunately, the feminist agenda has impressed upon our society a drive to eliminate many of the sources of difficulty and adversity traditionally faced by women, and thereby removed many of the very tools that women need to propel their internal growth and development. Note that the same happens to all individuals that subscribe to groups that adopt a position of victimhood.

As men are the sexually selected gender, it is more difficult for us to eschew the adversity which promotes the growth and development of consciousness. Since we rely on securing the capricious sexual choice of women to play out our sexual strategy, we must acknowledge their capacity to choose, and in doing so we form a base for the development of fourth level awareness. In seeking to be chosen, most of us must also learn how to change our behaviors as well. From puberty, our drive to reproduce presents challenges that require some degree of objective self-observation if we are to be successful, and with that tool comes an increased likelihood of consciousness expansion. Further, society has tended to either discourage or ignore men's attempts to externalize responsibility for our own failures, so we are left with more impetus to objectively self-observe, objectively self-critique, and make decisions to change ourselves. These tasks are the raw material for the expansion of one's consciousness. The acceptance of RP philosophy itself is an example of that exercise in practice.

The procreative process was also rife with challenges that encourage the development and growth of consciousness for women. Lacking societal acceptance of cuckoldry, acceptance of and regular access to effective birth control and assistance with pre-natal filicide, and acceptance of widespread dependence on state welfare, women faced significant risk if they did not develop the awareness to be able to collapse their innate dichotomous attraction cues and choose one man that best fit their sexual and provision needs. The friction created by that internal process provides fuel for the expansion of their consciousness. If they failed to do so and subsequently ended up in a marriage with which they were unhappy, or if they only temporarily suppressed their dichotomous hypergamy and became unhappy in their marriage, the adversity of survival without favorable divorce laws would also provide grist for the mill of consciousness development.

I watched my wife undergo a tremendous growth of consciousness propelled by the adversity of natural childbirth (at home) and infant rearing the old-fashioned way. The raw difficulty of attending to the needs of an infant 24/7 and the sacrifice required forced her into transcendental growth. Unlike many of her peers, she had to do it largely without my (consistent) help. I made it very clear from the beginning that the infant care was her responsibility and that I would not be one of those dads that does the 3am feeding before getting on the road at 5am to make the office at 6am, and then rolls home at 11pm after a hellish day in political dogfights at the office followed by dinner and drinks with one of my many petulant clients only to be handed a baby to care for because "Mom is so tired from the day's feeding and sleeping cycle." In response to the initial protestations, I simply asked "When have I ever rolled over at 4:30am and asked you to get up, head into the city, and just handle my 6:15am morning-call meeting for me because I was just too tired from being out with petulant clients until 2:00am?" It was hard for her to have to dig deep and sacrifice herself for another person, but she did it and developed fourth level awareness and the capacity to love as a result.

Yet our culture has been intensely focused on removing all adversity from women's lives for almost 100 years. The net result is what we have today in the realm of intersexual dynamics - a vast majority of women who are purely driven by uncontrolled innate dichotomous hypergamy, persisting at low levels of consciousness, trapped in solipsism, subsequently unable to see other people as full beings, unable to love others including sometimes even their own children, and thus totally unfit for pair-bonding and motherhood.

In Western culture there are small pockets of women here and there who are focused on truly feminine growth and development of consciousness, and such women tend to be super attractive (to me anyway). But they are so few and far between that spinning plates with emotional distance is the only viable answer.

[–]NotMyBestEffort -1 points0 points  (0 children)

agree 100% - your attitude is unattractive - you, may or may not be...

[–]BigGeek43 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Have you tried learning to dance?
Ballroom, salsa, West coast swing. Join a class and you'll be killing it in no time. Not to mention other benefits of dance such as stress reliever, music enjoyment, social aspect. You're dancing with a girl and also talking to her, cracking jokes and whatnot. And she's giggling at all your bad jokes because you're leading her. Or else you'll be dancing with another girl. There are more girls than guys on the dance floor. I see 50/60/70 year old dudes dancing with 20 year olds. I see humongously fat dude twirling hot chicks. Look up "John Lindo West coast swing".
I have layed almost all my dance partners. And if they don't put out I don't dance with them anymore.
You won't believe what value gives you being able to dance. Because it's considered gay to know how to dance for a guy in North America. But other parts of the world like South America or Russia is actually really cool. Look up professional dudes teaching "Rumba walk technique" on YouTube. Some dudes are making money teaching older ladies how to dance. They don't even have day jobs. Those dudes get paid to teach a chick how to dance and take them to competitions all expenses paid. Look up ProAm competitions on YouTube.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

In fact I did

Unfortunately, to find a partner was pretty difficult because also here women make some preselections.

At the end, I only found an ugly fatty. Dancing was horrible, like moving a medicine ball around.

she was into me and tried to date so I stopped disappointed I couldn't find a physically fit partner.

one of my friends who is a average white guy got approached by a busty blonde and he had fun dancing, they dated and fucked.

[–]askmrcia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL my experience when taking Salsa classes. This is usually the worse advice because when I did it, there was nothing but people over the age of 40 in the class.

And nearly ALL of them were single. So it was easy to know why everyone took the class. And yea dancing with old ladies is not fun. All that wrinkly skin and bones cracking as they move.

[–]1SeemedGood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reads Like You Might Be Flossin'

It does indeed sound like you're trying to impress, with money no less, and that won't work except on women who want to use you as a wallet. The trick is not to actively impress, but to actually be impressive.

If you make serious money you should downplay it, dress jeans/t-shirt down (but still nicely), have a nice watch but one that's so nice people probably won't know the brand (IWC, Zenith, PP, JLC, ALS, GP, GO, UN etc), remove the badges from your car (Euro style) or get a near classic ride that's super-sweet but not flaunty b/c it's older (MB w124 E500, Porsche 930, 964, or 993 turbo, B6 Audi RS6, etc). Enjoy nice stuff, but go the extra mile not to flaunt it.

Use the money to do interesting (but not necessarily luxurious) things and have interesting (and different) shite to talk about as a result.

Looks Can Be A Double-Edged Sword

As for looks, they really aren't everything (or even close unless you're perfect). It helps to get your foot in the door a fair amount and gives you the tiniest smidgen of leeway on mistakes, but it also retards your negative feedback enough such that it can be much harder to learn.

I got fairly lucky in the gene club - with a face that women seem to like a lot, and if I just look at a gym once in a while I'll have a half-decent cut. Women generally really like the way I look except that I'm short. Even with that drawback, I got approached enough such that I never learned how to approach. I was so ignorant that I didn't think guys approaching was how things usually worked - I thought it was for desperate guys who were abnormally unattractive. I would go out with friends and more often than not girls would approach us and orbit me and/or another guy I used to hang out with who was similarly lucky but slightly taller, but they usually ended up hooking up with our less attractive buddies who had learned to have much better game and be much more aggressive - and some of those guys were much less physically attractive according to the women we hung with but still did significantly better than my bud and I who had always been used to having girls/women approach us. Yeah, I know no one's crying for me, but that's how it was.

I'm not saying looks don't help, but I'm definitely saying that they're no panacea and unless you're flat out ugly your looks aren't what's keeping you from being successful with women.

[–]ObservantOmega 9 points10 points  (1 child)

What is TRP? It's a locker room, you won't find one-legged 5'3 48 year old Indian guys talking about how to pull bitches here, you will find a lot of people who live life on easy mode and don't understand reality. The knowledgeable guys who give really kick ass advice are rare here, because most of what's being posted has been told before and isn't new.

But even guys playing on easy often understand the patterns and can point them out. So it's worthwhile to read what they write, even to have chuckle at their cluelessness.

TRP is not for attractive people only. It's a toolkit, if you know how to use it it helps you in life. It isn't a golden bullet that solves all your problems, you have to do that work yourself. And if you are unwilling to do the hard carrying yourself you'll find that no one is going to do that for you. And I'm saying that as an average 5'7 guy who often struggles with gaming women because of introversion. I use Red Pill to make my life better, are you?

[–]pevans12 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A toolbox many don't choose to open. Just gander at the box in awe

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 11 points12 points  (1 child)

You may want to reduce your sodium intake; maybe lay off the soy sauce. I haven't seen a saltier Asian since Mr. Chow escaped from the trunk of a car in The Hangover.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This shit really made me laugh. Fucking eh!

[–]aanarchist 12 points13 points  (10 children)

you have to actually be the better man. good looking guys don't have game it's all superficial for them, they get preselected for free, social proof for free. everything is given to them. they are the people who crumble when it comes down to crunch time and end up being carried by someone else or abandoned. your experiences forge you into who you are and give you strength. if your life was consisted of a silver spoon where all you had to do was walk up and say hi to a dumb girl and she throws her pussy at you, you're not going to develop much in terms of life experience or social skills. that's why very attractive people tend to be unintelligent and talentless and frankly just boring. of course people around them will pretend otherwise to keep up the act cuz they're sick that way, but that's how the game goes is a bunch of masks.

[–]falconpush 8 points9 points  (7 children)

As a dark-haired, good looking white guy, who is 6'1 170LBS, and has hardly gotten his dick sucked, i can tell you everything is NOT given to us. And is still a very real struggle.

[–]DesignerTom 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Then you are doing something wrong. You cannot have game if you have those stats yet don't get any female attention.

[–]falconpush 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I started unplugging about 6 months ago. And am married. Needless to say, improvements have been made and it's a work in progress.

[–]aanarchist 4 points5 points  (2 children)

gotta work on yourself my friend. answer me this, what do you honestly think and feel about yourself, do you deserve to be loved by a woman or in general? why or why not?

[–]falconpush 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i currently am working on the "me" side. Being in a fucked up marriage has screwed up my sense of reality. How i feel about "me" right now is a bit askew as well. Currently, I am unplugging (about 6 months) and am prepping to exit my marriage, I havent had the space to figure out much of the damage that has been done. ATM, not quite able to answer your inquiry.

[–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

damn bro. how long you been married? i've always been a cut through the shit kinda person my longest relationship in my most blue pill of moments was like 8 months, and that shit really fucked with my self esteem she made me feel like i was a loser who didn't deserve to feel loved, on the other hand the men she finds herself most attracted to are complete dipshits, and then wonders where all the good men are LOL. toxic women are a fucking plague on mankind i can't imagine what a long term marriage and cohabitation with someone like that would do to a man. really sorry you had to deal with that, on the other hand glad you found trp and are becoming stronger for it. the more of us wake up and let these whores rot the sooner the world can have peace and freedom.

[–]1theoctopuss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All I recommend is bulking. At 170 lbs and 6'1, you're on the smaller side.

If you jacked up and got 16"+ arms you might notice a difference. I have a similar height to yours; The difference in attention and reciprocity from not only women, but also men, is noticeable.

[–]RetiredTimeHo 8 points9 points  (1 child)

good looking guys don't have game

Let your male hamster keep telling you that.

[–]aanarchist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

my hamster is actually a turkey

[–]aiguo888 2 points3 points  (1 child)

what if you are not good looking ?

You get swole and preferably look aggressive / dangerous. The alternative is becoming rich but the former is obviously much easier to achieve. Ugly guys get much less leeway for acting beta if they don't have a shit ton of resources or are rather intimidating.

And if you are asian you should kill yourself

Honestly, going to Asia is probably easiest for most Asian guys, but if you're ripped and have a good lifestyle or if you're a tattooed hipster guy you can still get laid with curious girls. Your genetics work against you in the western world though but there are successful Asian guys on here as well who don't seem to have major issues.

all minorities should destroy themselves so that white chad can fuck HB9

I somehow think minority chads get laid way more than most white chads but maybe I'm wrong. White 9/10 guys tend to care about their image much more than ripped black guys that are into white chubsters.

[–]greatslyfer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just a consideration man.

When I read this kind of post, I REALLY question if your communication game was on point, aka not showing insecurity/little confidence.
It could very well be that you're just hamstering your social skills not being at the standard that it needs to be.

Like maybe the first time you approached she just wasn't interested, and that made you salty/cynical. Then that attitude transferred mentally to the next time you approached and the girl could sense that and didn't give you a great response.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

right, it's trp, if you are ugly you can go fuck yourself

Are you dense? When the fuck has TRP ever said that? The whole point of TRP is to learn how to increase your SMV via the various means available to do so.

And if you are asian you should kill yourself, all minorities should destroy themselves so that white chad can fuck HB9 because that's what womenz want

Somebody is salty.

[–]Werewolf35b 4 points5 points  (3 children)

If your attractive none of this is nessesary. Why? Because your attractive. Your gonna get pussy thrown at you.

What would be useful is a how to pick up girls if your not attractive. That would be neat. If there was only some kind of life philosophy or theory, hmmm.

This was basically "how to get rich", by a man born in to money. I once saw a book about how to build wealth the Saudi Arabian way. Book didn't mention "be born on the world's stockpile of oil during the industrial/vehicle age."

[–]Need2LickMuff 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Frame of mind matters, bruh. A lot of what's touted on TRP is faggy feel good shit masked as 'totes alpha talk' by adding edginess to it, but dead serious frame of mind matters a lot more than looks.

I get a lot of attention, but I hate myself and don't know how to connect with people at the level they want to connect with me, so guess how much pussy I get? 0. It's all neat that girls look at me and like me, but I have the same shit mindset that half the incel phaggots in this place have, so my good looks are doing me absolutely no good.

I mean, currently I'm hurtin by this place's standards with nipple length hair, facial piercings, not wearing dress shoes, and not giving a fuck less about the clothes I wear, but even still I get girls looking at me and (until recently from LDAR) have never been without at least 5 girls talking to me at one time.. and that's not even of my own volition.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

hey, I am like you without the good looks ...

[–]Need2LickMuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, the fact that you can identify that shows you're intelligent enough to be mindful, a trait a lot of people lack. With being able to pick yourself apart, you have a better chance of putting yourself together properly with the ability to crawl out of shit faster than the average person.

I mean, it's rich coming from me to tell you to work at yourself when I don't personally bother with it and just accept my own self-hatred, but honestly if you worked at the things you dislike about yourself and get your esteem on track you'd pull 100x more poon than I will ever in my life.

[–]coulombsvector points points [recovered]

He slept with 120 girls at 22? That is most girls than people's lifetimes. If this was true, and most likely it isn't, he is a celebrity of some sort. Is anyone else skeptical of this? You all never had a friend that talked about how many girls he got with when you knew it was all bullshit?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

120 for an average man's lifetime? I would imagine single digits to slight double digits is probably average. From the articles I found, about 7 is average for men in a lifetime.

[–]notadaddy points points [recovered]

i have a buddy, very good looking, just going out with him girls would stop him, ask to have their picture taken with him, etc. he would meet girls on the subway on his way home and they go home with him. believe it. easy mode does exist.

[–]yaozy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

ask to have their picture taken with him

What? You sure your friend isn't some celebrity?

[–]notadaddy points points [recovered]

nope. just a very good looking guy, jacked, blue eyes. not even tall either, 5'8". Muscles and good looks, maybe it sucks to have to concede(?) that the external , at least in the short term, outweighs everything.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People down voting you like a 5'8" guy can't look good lol

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

12 girls is more than the average guy. I learned very early you will get better results striving to compete with outliers, thus when I found good looking guys who had banged 50+ girls I started emulating them and learned from it.

[–]silver-gun 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Once you built your frame (abundance mentality, stoicism, etc.), is Mystery Method still way to go for the rest of the game?

I somehow have a solid, unbreakable, shittest-proof frame. But I still suck at the actionable part of the game.

Should I study good ol' Qualification, push/pull, etc.?

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Hahaha no. MM is trash tier. It was my introduction to game and I revisited it many years later. Basically its gaming for validation, not for pussy. You will get a lot of laughs, smiles, oohs and ahhs but little sex. The fact that Mystery believes anything less than seven hours is 'fools game' should prove this. It also backfires completely in repeated social situations, like university.

Mystery is also really good looking yet never seemed to do that well.

[–]silver-gun 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So what do you recommend for the game part of TRP?

Disorganized articles here and there didn't get me so far. I have an engineer brain, I crave for structured stuff like your post, which we don't have many.

Do you recommend Savoy's stuff, which is refined MM, maybe? What about Neil's Rules of the Game book?

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Read 60 years of challenges books. I'm sure there are good links to his books with the right search words. His stuff sets a great base and I have no qualms about calling him one of my biggest influences in regards to game.

[–]silver-gun 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ah, a little less conversation, a little more action please. I'll give 60 a try.

What do you think about Roosh's stuff besides the later dramas?

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Roosh is more trash tier than Mystery. There is a deleted thread where he talks about his best year as being 12 lays, which is good for a normal person but abysmal for a guru. To put it in perspective he is probably slightly better looking than Jeffy, who managed 50 in a year, while also constantly traveling which is a huge advantage. The guy has next to no game and the vast majority of his advice is either useless or taken from someone else. He completely lacks the experience to make the comments he makes and while he has some gems, they're generally just lifted from someone else. One of very few gurus I don't have any form of respect for.

[–]poochman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If you want to meet up with her again just do it. Call her, text, whatever. Sometimes she won’t want to but usually she will if you had good sex. I'd say message/call sooner rather than later, because some girls feel extremely slutty after a one-night stand. For the most part though 2-4 days is fine.

Wouldn't contacting her too soon to meet up a 2nd time give off a needy vibe? I think this has been a problem for me in the past for getting consistent follow up sex and I've seen conflicting advice on this topic where many seem to advocate to go essentially radio silent after the 1st fuck and let the girl do the chasing and basically hit you up when they are ready. The problem with that is then they may never hit you up for part 2 out of shyness, insecurity, or whatever.

There's seems to be some sort of balance between waiting too long (making her feel like a slut), and not waiting long enough (being too needy) that is sometimes an issue for me (especially with the hotter girls).

[–]pisspoordecisions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With chicks like that wait an entire week if you have to. Hit her up on a Friday or Saturday and ask if she's going out...it's a great way to suggest you wanna drunkenly meet up later and get it on.

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It depends more on how you treat her during as to whether you will seem needy or not. The radio silence method for me only works if I ping her a quick text straight after (even just "had fun tonight") then leave it. I also don't really set up the second meet the first time we text, I'll do that a day or two after we start talking again. I get a lot of problems from girls thinking I just want to fuck so I'm trying to maximise based on that issue though.

[–]menial_optimist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sucks sometimes being against gear and being fully natty. Takes so damn long to see gains.

[–]Losthser22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who gives a fuck what he looks like?

This guide is basically how I am. The girls love the good looking social and fun guys. Also one thing: To get access to more girls, put the girls you don't like in the friendzone. Invite them to hangout and bring a friend or two. They will want to bring friends to this hot fun guys event.

[–]DarkRenaissance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good guide, reminded me to keep the basics in mind.

[–]willsherm28 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Does this help if you are 30 and have hardly had any experience with women?

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I imagine so. If you're not good looking though maybe look elsewhere for advice. My whole game is tailored around that premise.

[–]willsherm28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I'm fairly decent looking. I've never been really concerned about my appearance except a little belly fat. I'd give myself like a 6-7. But I do have problems scoring chicks.

[–]otherheadspace points points [recovered]

Hey, just want to ask do you currently practice Nofap or have you in the past? If not, how often do you fap? Do you think it affects how well you do with women?

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I did nofap for two years total, the longest streak being nine months. My sex drive died after two or three and that was when I quit doing it. Since looking into the whole movement with greater scrutiny, knowing the scientific method and having access to journal articles I've realized the premise is flawed for s lot of reasons. Maybe I'll post an article about it in the future because it's a big, misunderstood and controversial topic thst raises a lot of hackles.

For me I masturbate about twice a week regardless of how often I have sex. I usually do it the day after I fuck a new girl or the night after one of my plates leaves.

[–]cellphon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would love you to post about your opinions about NoFap. I'm a true believer, and it makes a lot of sense. Especially the amount your tostoerone drops for ten days after climax. Also, noticed I'm low energy at the gym the day after jacking off or banging.

If you don't have time for a full blown post, just reply here. You seem like an intelligent fellow and I would love to hear your insight.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I am also very good looking. Yes being nice can work. But being an ass is so funny, can't stop it.

I have four plates, and this was my woman's day card:

Happy women's day 8=====D 😂😂

And they responded with hearts and so on. Could I be nice normal guy and send some card that makes us cringe? Yes..but it's boring.

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've been there and it is a lot of fun. There is nothing wrong with it but IME it isn't the best way to get laid a lot or with the highest quality girls. Still, I wouldn't go back in time and change having done it because it was a lot of fun and taught me a lot about women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends. I think that kind of behaviour must be present all the time, it's just question of how you want to mold your woman and where you want to steer things between two of you that dictates ratio between assholery and being more "normal" (but never submissive).

[–]jastrahm points points [recovered]

Could it be the polarizing/dick game doesn't work for attractive dudes because women are already seeking validation?

That they're already intimidated? It's like your looks are already taking them off the pedestal.

 

So when you push them with the polarizing personality it pushes them to far that they have to save face?

Maybe they outright shame you or reject you. Maybe they test you.

I feel like this creates a weird shit/comfort test hybrid that you can't pass like a regular shit test because you'll push them even farther away and you can't treat it like a regular comfort test because that'll make you fail the shit test.

 

One another note; As a (apparently) attractive (8-9) man, that has went from a sweet/polite/uninterested type of game (default personality) to that polarizing/testing game, I can tell the success rate is immensely different and as such I've tweaked it to fix it and over time have lowered the polarizing/dick behavior to only a little bit higher than my starting game for the best results.

Any input would be very appreciated because I feel like this aspect of game is not covered at all because "you're already attractive, just go fuck sluts", doesn't take into account that people that are attractive can have bad social skills or that someone can improve their appearance that makes their old style of game obsolete (which a huge amount of people do).

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've theorized on this a fair bit and you hit the nail on the head with what I've come up with. Basically I think each of your interactions is weighted much heavier, be that a push or pull, but you have a much larger leeway towards the beta side because the girl is going to assume you're alpha due to the halo effect. At the same time, she has probably been burned or had friends burned by 'alpha jerks' before, so seeming too similar to that stereotype will flip her panic button and as you said, she will reject to save face.

This post may make it seem like I don't game at all but the reality is I do, just maybe 10% of what another guy will do. So I may have one teasing probe, but if she gets shy from it I'll take it straight back with "no no I'm jut kidding" and go back to general small talk with sexual tension. Sexual tension trumps game IME.

[–]Questionnaire7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So how do you physically escalate while saying little to nothing? Also how soon do you go for a kiss? In public or wait till you're at your place?

[–]akaNeon1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who the fuck upvotes these posts?

There's 0 new info here.

Wat.

[–]The3Percenterz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Flawless bro. I'm 30 divorced no kids. Former Military 9 years. Losing weight and adderall so I keep control of my mouth and emotions, returning to college, lifting weights, my black leather jacket, positive facebook posts, and getting out more. Banged 6 or 7 since divorce. Great job, wonderful post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the saddest thing I've ever read.

[–]SuitableRedditor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The secret is to not have a secret and just be a good person. This will get you far. It might not get you 120 girls but it will get you quality.

[–]Toker95 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Our body stats are the same. I have a decent body ripped and all but how do I get over the fact I'll never have full bulging arms like manlet peers?

[–]Bigjohnthug[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Girls don't know a thing about muscle. I get told I have huge arms with 16 inch pipes. Just being lean and having more muscle than normal is enough. Honestly very little difference between 85, 90, 95 and 100kgs at 10-12%bf but 85 or 90kgs at 8ish trumps them all. Lean beats big.

[–]Toker95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk about that man, with instagram I'm pretty sure girls all know about muscles and being lean with them

[–]candy-azz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our arms look like professional basketball player's arms though. Associated with being tall, which is a better status symbol than being turbo.

[–]epixs -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Bullshit , hop on gear. I'm 6'4 , 250 right now. Blast tren and test . Vascular,lean,and usually the biggest dude in the gym at only 22 years old. Super impt tho, don't get big like bloated dboll or deca puffy look, always stay lean with abs. Recomping is possible.

[–]Toker95 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Post a pic of your physique

[–]chelseafc18 points points [recovered]

Not hating, but you did not gain 65lbs of musle

[–]Starcruiser28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You did not read his post and comprehend did you? he started at the age of 14 so it is quite possible.

[–]SchlongDaddio points points [recovered]

lol at this post. if you're good looking you don't need any strategy. You walk up to them and say "Hi" and it's done.

[–]thebigpink 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its all about confidence. Works everytime.

[–]NotMyBestEffort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Odd thing about being good looking... it isn't up to the person who is looking. It is up to the person being looked at.

If I see a woman checking me out and I think "she thinks I'm hot, that is why she is looking at me" - then I'm hot.

If I see the same woman checking me out and think "what is she looking at? did she see my crooked tooth? - did she notice that I am balding?" then I am balding with crooked teeth to her.

[–]PepelePeaux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How to pick up girls if they think you're good looking...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

deleted What is this?

[–]RICCIedm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A great post and you phaggots are talking about BF%...

This has become a stupid board

[–]leotard-princess -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Great guide. Thanks for this. It's nice to hear that being nice is working once again in our cyclical and competitive world of standing out from the standard guy.

[–]smallpigbigpig -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

As a girl, this was interesting to read😆🤔

[–]HotBananaa -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

100+ girls but how many dudes have you fucked. I think you are a huge liar btw so if you say 0 I won't believe you anyway.

[–]Blaat1985 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Tl;dr, show up in a place with a lot of women, say hi to a woman you find attractive and take things from there.... Why was this post needed? Good looking guys play the game on easy mode.