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Stop dating. Start inviting her over. (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]guifawkes 178 points179 points  (39 children)

I've found that my best conversion rates on tinder and bumble have come from me inviting them over to my place before anything else. It's almost like they're appreciative that you seek sex first as it validates their sexual appeal that they're insecure about.

I get a lot of "I'm not trying to hookup" or "do you just want sex" etc. I usually reply with a sarcastic remark about looking for someone to celebrate a life of celibacy together and then they'll laugh and go from "not wanting sex" to wanting to "see where things go."

I can't tell you how many dinners and drinks I bought girls who had no intention of any type of hookup before I realized this....

[–]evilmmm 92 points93 points  (2 children)

Love the celibacy remark. Using it.

[–]maniclurker 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Seconded. Now I have to start thinking up more sarcastic shit to say.

[–]sydneybeachbum 4 points5 points  (0 children)

want something better? tell her to stop getting ideas... now all she does it get them. Plus it placates her inner slut and allows her to justify coming over..

[–]theONE843663 54 points55 points  (9 children)

Sarcasm and satire = chick crack imo. A&A works so good lol.

[–]zephyrprime 22 points23 points  (5 children)

I find that most chicks don't get sarcasm or satire.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (1 child)

It's gotta be in person. They're awful at picKing it up over text

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Bruh. The "smirk" emoji. It's the only one you need.

[–]guifawkes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hard to do over text. You gotta throw in some fancy adjectives or words or phrases that are not common if you want them to not take you seriously. For example:

"Guess I'll just go hookup with another chick then" vs "Guess I'll just fornicate with anther mistress then"

Who the hell talks like that second sentence? No one, thus, the joke is recognized as a joke.

[–]j4c0p 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are just not used to ... too many orbiters spam them with sweet talk, that even slight neg looks like orbital nuclear strike. But on the other hand , your humor is great tool . If she is not receptive to your style, no point of wasting time.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've noticed that I do this naturally to girls I find gross. And they almost always want me. I guess now it's chicken or the egg heh.

[–]Rafafedkilla 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your opinion or your experience?

[–]theONE843663 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The chick crack part is opinion cuz it could be the equivalent of any other drug. Could be meth, heroin, and whatnot... But in my opinion, sarcasm to chicks is like crack.

The effectiveness of A&A statement is from experience.

[–]BeenTrill11 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I've learned that the profiles saying they aren't looking for sex, are looking for sex lol. Females just don't want to come off as hoes, but they all are.

[–]IllPanYourMeltIn points points [recovered]

"I'm not looking for hookups" in the bio means this girl was thinking about fucking strangers while she created her profile. Girls who genuinely aren't looking for a hookup don't even think about it as a possibility.

[–]refusewool 11 points12 points  (1 child)

How much small talk before you invite them? Do you have any examples/screenshots?

[–]guifawkes 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Zero small talk. My opening line has been some variation of "hey you wanna come watch a movie later?" They know exactly what I mean and I'll get "I can't tonight but maybe another time" more than I get a flat out "no". So a yes means they're dtf 8/10 times, a "maybe another night" signifies they're likely to be dtf (worth following up with another day) and a flat out rejection is either easy to overcome ("oh you want to watch one right now I see") or it really is a no.

I prefer this type of opening over any kind of small talk or conversation as it really saves me time and eliminates the tire kickers.

[–]NomadicIdentity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The celibacy line is excellent.

[–]SuckMyFist 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Does this really work?

I have a big expensive house that I could use to impress them, but any time I try to set up a first date at my house I get rejected for being too cheap or wanting sex too soon.

This is really infuriating because I AM a cheap, horny bastard, and I would trade my left kidney to have pussy delivered to my doorstep.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Respond with 'Yes, I'm a cheap horny bastard. But I also make great pancakes in the morning.' After the laugh, say something like 'no, seriously, just hanging out, zero expectations' for some comfort and plausable deniability.

[–]SuckMyFist 3 points4 points  (7 children)

I can't imagine a sane girl that I have never met before driving to my house to pass the first date at home, that's a little too desperate for a woman. But I can imagine how such a conversation would go down:

She: "Why don't you take me out to a nice restaurant?"

Me: "I am 50% Italian, I am a great cook!"

She: "No you are 100% Jewish you cheap fuck!"

Me: " 'no, seriously, just hanging out, zero expectations' "

She: "No, I am not gonna go to a stranger house, I would prefer to be in public.."

Women are cheap as fuck, have you ever see a group of them splitting the bill at Mcdonalds? Nevertheless I think they are not out there to get a nice meal for free, they want to be served, to be their chaperone, to be seen in public with a man, to increase their social value and advertise her merchandise to other males.

To be seen in public is the whole point of the date for women, like sex for us.

Who knows though, maybe I could get a couple of desperate fatties to self-deliver their pussy to my house.

[–]abbafishhead[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I can't imagine a sane girl that I have never met before driving to my house to pass the first date at home, that's a little too desperate for a woman.

That's just your assumption. How do you think the rest of us do it, consistently? I've easily bumped up my n-count to >100 just by doing this alone.

I think you might be giving women too much credit. Also, if she insists on meeting in public, next her. TONS of girls willing to just come over and fuck.

[–]SuckMyFist -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I've easily bumped up my n-count to >100 just by doing this alone.

This sounds like a "As Seen on TV" commercial.

If all you need to get pussy is Tinder and a house what is all the fuss about women in the West, why bother with them if you can just order fresh new pussy, every week, delivered straight to your doorstep?

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

If all you need to get pussy is Tinder and a house what is all the fuss about women in the West, why bother with them if you can just order fresh new pussy, every week, delivered straight to your doorstep?

I'm not sure if you're sarcastic, but "why bother with them" is exactly what I genuinely think. I don't even do plates, much less girlfriends. I bang new girls as much as I can.

Unless you're accusing me of lying... in which case, hey, just because you can't do it doesn't mean everyone can't. Read the other comments on how other guys do it.

[–]SuckMyFist -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Unless you're accusing me of lying...

No, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, the burden of proof is on you, or at least accept that other less lucky men than you have difficulties believing you.

I am not an alpha, but I know I am considered "a good looking man" by a few chicks with low standards, and among these bunch of desperates I can only picture one of them coming straight to my house to suck my cock.

My impression is that unless you are THEE BEST man they can afford women aren't really interested in one-night stands, especially at your house.

There is no such a thing as straight gloryholes.

[–]abbafishhead[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have no intention whatsoever to seek validation by painstakingly proving that I get laid, Jesus Christ. Hell, even as I was typing this guide, I repeatedly questioned myself what the hell did I stand to gain from this. The advice has been dispensed, you're here obviously because you're seeking advice.

You can disbelieve me all you want if it makes you feel better and mollycoddles your lack of dating success more effectively, but my point remains: just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done. In fact, it's the norm these days.

I feel sorry for you, because you have a negative attitude that everything can't be done. You've already lost the battle before you start it with that sort of mindset.

[–]spaseur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP is totally right, he does exactly what I used to do when I was single (and lots of guys do that, it's 2017 ffs)

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She: "Why don't you take me out to a nice restaurant?"

Me: "I am 50% Italian, I am a great cook!"

She: "No you are 100% Jewish you cheap fuck!"

Me: " 'no, seriously, just hanging out, zero expectations' "

She: "No, I am not gonna go to a stranger house, I would prefer to be in public.."

If she asks to be taken on a nice restaurant for a first date, she's a gold digger and already sees you as a beta bucks. Hard next.

And if she shit-tests you, agree and amplify, amuse mastery etc. Don't insist like a desperate idiot. What I said and what you said are miles apart.

[–]Herdsengineers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"We won't do anything we both don't want to do."

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Using that celibate response more often, great agree and amplify

[–]Lord_NShYH 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't tell you how many dinners and drinks I bought girls who had no intention of any type of hookup before I realized this....

It's a painful lesson, but vital. I've been through it, and it hurts like a real kick in the balls.

[–]AmericanHistoryAFBB 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I must be doing something wrong. And no, I'm not ugly or anything. But usually when I simply say "come over for drinks and a movie" 1 out of 10 MIGHT be down, but most of the time they say they don't want to come over to a strangers house since I could be a serial killer or something. They almost always suggest public setting first.

So maybe it's because my pictures aren't good enough, or maybe they'd be like that no matter how attractive my pictures were. I don't know.

[–]Acquin 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Hey man how old are you? I'm living with my parents 20km away from civilisation in a world where no girl I match with drives. They're also mostly so young they've never met up with a stranger online until me. I have quite a high success rate and I never invite someone over straight away on text, at my age it's not possible. The take away from this article is to just try to get them over (screen interest) when they've overcome the fact you're not a murderer.

[–]AmericanHistoryAFBB 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I'm 25. And maybe I'm going about it wrong. Maybe I can improve and make it work.

[–]Acquin 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yeah if that's the case your text game may need work. Good attitude with the last sentence and good luck improving. Look up Gatsby's Tinder game for a start. My personal recommendation is of course focus on authenticity. Women are naturally better than men with social dynamics and if you come across as slightly shifty you've already lost.

[–]AmericanHistoryAFBB 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Will do. Are you younger than me or older? I agree that women are naturally better at social dynamics.

[–]Acquin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm 20. I don't even drive yet.

[–]Pepe_Prime 146 points147 points  (15 children)

Man, this was one of the hardest pills to swallow. Looking back, most "conventional dates" that I've gone on haven't paid off very well.

However, inviting a girl to come over and watch a movie or smoke weed has a huge success rate. I've even had hybrid situations, in which it started as a conventional date but then we moved to my house to "show" her something and ended up fucking...whereas, any girl that I haven't been "home" with by the end of the first date (even if we kissed) has fallen apart without ever getting to the sex.

Also, I think there's another element to it that you touched upon...the modern "hookup culture" in general has twisted women's perception of what it means to be taken on a date. Initially, I just liked the idea of taking a cute girl out on a date, getting to know her and spending time together and see where that goes - although of course I would always hope it would end in me getting laid at some point. But now, with girls so often randomly hooking up with guys from parties or school or dating apps or whatever, going on an actual date with someone must be a jarring experience. Maybe theyll have a mild amount of fun, but won't want to go out again. Maybe they'll think there's something slightly wrong with you for taking her out on a "date" when she's used to getting railed after smoking a few bowls at Chad's house. Or perhaps worst of all, she'll take your "date" as a sign that you're an overly attached beta who's trying too hard to get an emotional attachment with her, rather than the swift dicking she's used to. That's what I'm getting at - I'm currently doing a sort of 50/50 right now with taking half the girls I meet on dates and then just skipping to the "Netflix and chill" with the other half. This could be related to the questionable quality of the women I meet, but things always go so much smoother and are less awkward with the girls who just come over to my house, rather than the ones I actually go out with. I see the same results with my friends: if the new girl comes directly to the guys house, there's a big chance they'll have fun and fuck. If the guy takes her on a date instead, most of the time he'll end up empty handed and even get questioned by the girl about why he's putting so much effort into her or why is he so attached to her etc etc just for spending the effort to take her out.

Rambly reply but I hope that made sense. I've been watching it happen in real time.

[–]SovereignSoul76 49 points50 points  (5 children)

A lot of good points there about how the idea of a "date" is almost, in and of itself, kind of pathetic to girls now. It's sad really. I really do think it's part of this mindset instilled by female comedians where it is funny and cool for a girl to be a professed whore. Oh well, I'm not gonna complain. They all talk about dick being cheap, but it's always been cheap. But pussy on the other hand, has taken a serious nose-dive since the creation of tinder. It's wonderful for establishing plates...not so much for finding a wife.

But I've had the best luck with a mix of the two. I suggest we go shoot pool, grab a coffee, or grab a drink. No dinner. No stupid hot air balloon rides or anything. Meet her for about an hour or two, then tell her I have to go. Try for the kiss close. No kiss, that's the end. If she goes for it, escalate to the butt grab immediately and gauge the reaction. Also, using this strategy, I can tell if she's packed on 25 lbs since her last tinder photo was taken, too. This DOES happen...fairly frequently. Sometimes she'll even have two photos where you can see the fattening begin to take place. But I digress...

Next date: dinner at my house. Then about 80% of the time, if they've made it that far, they're good to close. Maybe a little LMR and ASD, but nothing too serious.

The reason I prefer this method, is because if you're a 7, and she's a 7, you may very well get in her pants after meeting out in public first. But if you're just going in directly for the kill, you'll likely only get a 6 or below to agree to that. The logic being, if a girl is just looking for an immediate fuck, why wouldn't take her chances with a guy who has 7.5, 8, or 9 looks? There's no way to accurately estimate if the guy has game (and can confidently fuck the shit out of a girl) or not, which does count, so it's ALL looks You think a guy who looks like a 9 won't pump and dump a 7? Surely you jest. Giving her a glimpse of your frame and game helps elevate you from a 7 (looks only), to maybe a 7.5 or 8. Girls only date up, and that required gap in SMV intensifies when you're talking about just giving away pussy almost immediately.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I think like you. Although now that I'm happy with the few girls I'm seeing I'm totally fine with OP's strategy. I guess playing the now oh-so standard BP dating game was a costly mistake even tho they don't cost me anything anymore, girls just come hang out and leave. My excuse is I've been told right from my first day in the US that it's how it works in here. Back in Europe I'd invite girls over for dinner/drinks at my place and it was that easy.

It's funny because when I was broke AF during my first few months in Cali I got laid more often than when I started making some $$. The reason is, I had to skip the dates - couldnt afford em. no betabucking, more fucks.

[–]zephyrprime 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I can tell if she's packed on 25 lbs since her last tinder photo was taken

? You can tell that just by looking at her in person.

[–]JTPish 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Spanx is a thing, and can compress fat into appealing shapes better than you would think.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

True. Plus lots of girls tend to be able to gain weight without it going to their faces or upper body. The right jeans and stuff can hide ten lbs on some chick easy.

I can't gain weight. If I gain ten lbs from my ideal weight I immediately drop from like an 8 to a 6.5 it's nuts. My body doesn't look much different in clothes but my face does drastically.

[–]reecewagner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The logic being, if a girl is just looking for an immediate fuck, why wouldn't take her chances with a guy who has 7.5, 8, or 9 looks?

Most of my life I've been a 8-9 in the looks department and about a 5-6 in the actual skills-game department. I've literally gotten laid 20+ times just from being upfront and going for it, and I don't fuck 6's.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (1 child)

"Netflix and chill"

Works best when you don't actually have Netflix.

[–]bboy1977 points points [recovered]

"Conventional dates". I think that's the problem. Going to dinner and movie and spending a majority of the time interviewing a person and giving comfort usually leads to nowhere but a goodnight kiss and second date. Rinse and repeat and after two or three of these dates who knows if anything happens. Maybe it's my age, but I'm 50/50 if I ask someone outright to just come over to my place.

I have the most success not to mention fun with "dates" that are physical right from the start. If she is answering your phone call, text etc and willing to meet up with you, she is already physically attracted to you. No need to waste time learning more about each other. Set the tone right from the outset to get her an elevated heart rate and used to your touch.

Some of the dates I've been in the past month all of which resulted in closing. Not only that but they are actually fun and memorable.

  • roof top dance party. Grinding against each other, drenched in sweat. Once exhausted, easy to pick up a bottle of wine and head to my place for the next round.

  • jet skiing. Hour of roaring across the oceanfront with her straddling me from behind. Head to my place to wash up and then more

  • Ninja obstacle/ ropes course. Practically man handle her lifting and pressing her against me. Went back to my car and manhandled each in there.

  • catch movie in classic drive in movie theater. Reclined the seats then had her sit in my lap under a blanket. Didnt actually see most of the movie.

  • visiting new city, have her take me from bar to bar showing me places I would have never found on my own. While she leads the tour, I lead with being physical finding places hide in and make out. Tour ends at her place.

There was one person who balked at these first dates saying they are so "random" or "most guys" take her for coffee, dinner etc. Honestly, If she can't take a jet ski roaring inbetween her legs then forget me ever getting there.

With all these dates it's imperative to have them pressed up tight against your muscles, feeling you up, breathing hard, getting wet. Transitioning to sex becomes very easy as you are practically half way there. Two of the people I slept with I don't even know their last name or ethnicity but I know every inch of their body. Two years ago I'd have talked their ears off and maybe friendzoned myself. Enjoying going out a lot more now.

[–]Lord_NShYH 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Transitioning to sex becomes very easy as you are practically half way there.

TL; DR: be in shape, and do physical activity together. Then, go back to your place, or hers, for more vigorous physical activities.

[–]tiredofliving1111 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fuck,I have been doing this shit all wrong. Time to change

[–]abbafishhead[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the modern "hookup culture" in general has twisted women's perception of what it means to be taken on a date.

Like I always say, everything is relative in dating. If every other Chad is railing her by just asking her to come over and chill, she would of course think that the one who takes her out on a proper date is defective in some way. This is actually a very good thing if you're just about slaying some pussy.

[–]thedaynos 16 points17 points  (8 children)

I have one instance to share here. I got set up by a female friend with one of her female friends. Completely blind date. We didn't even speak on the phone, only emailed for a couple days. She lived about 15 minutes away from me so I said just come by my place and we'll figure the rest of the night out, I'll get a bottle of wine. She said ok and honestly I couldn't believe she'd be down with that, neither could our mutual friend.

So I clean the place up and she shows up and she's way out of my league physically. Did her hair, clothes, makeup, looked hot as fuck. so naturally i'm conflicted as some of my emotions are to get nervous, but mentally I'm thinking holy shit look what we got here.

Anyway I bring her in and we hug and she sits on my couch. She loves my cats. I get her some wine. Half way through the bottle I said to myself fuck it and during a deep point of one of our conversations I put my hand on her lap. Immediately we lock eyes, start making out. After about 2 minutes I picked her up and carried her upstairs, threw her on my bed and boom, we're both naked in like half a minute, she's letting me do whatever to her. Multiple go-rounds, was a really fun night to say the least.

So a couple days later we barely have been talking but she calls me randomly at around 10pm and asks me to come over to kill a spider. I look behind her couch and fuck, this spider is like crusty as fuck, been dead for weeks probably. So, I just laugh at her like wtf, pick up the thing with a napkin then make a move while I'm walking past her, and boom again, making out, and we just smashed all night. Again, good night, I left around 3-4am.

Then couple days later I'm like hey I might as well feed this girl and take her out on a date.... she's proved her worth. Beautiful girl letting me hit it raw without spending barely anything on her. She was down. Took her to a decent Italian joint. Definitely the nicest place she's ever been to in her life as she has no clue how to work the oil and bread. Took her back to my house afterwards, we're laying on the couch together but then she's acting cold. Barely get to make out with her. I brought her upstairs with me but she falls asleep with her clothes on, and then asks me to take her home at like 4am.

That was our last date as she soft nexted me. I was talking with our mutual friend about it maybe a week later. I was informed that the girl deemed me "too feminine". Straight up. Honestly I did nothing different this time around but it must have been something I said during dinner convo that just turned her off and caused her to label me beta. That's all it took. Didn't matter it was the best meal she's ever had in her life or that she already knew how good I was in bed. None of that mattered.

Anyway, that was one of many examples during my dating life that taught me red pill values. From then on I slowly started to realize that it's ok to ask a girl over on the first date and if I get a girl who's cool with that (or her place), it's a way higher success rate than being the nice guy and playing that bullshit game. Most girls make up their mind whether they're gonna fuck you within like 5 minutes of meeting up. (and can demote you in less than half that time for pretty much no reason). Don't give her any reason.

I browse the relationship sub and it pains me to hear guys who have been on 3-4 dates without much physicality happening, asking questions on whether the girl likes them. Previous version of me would tell those dudes to keep it up, if you're a good guy, she'll eventually realize it! Now i'm like fuck it man your 3-4 dates without getting any play means you've wasted 2-3 days of your life. Of course i get mad downvotes for that but I'm gonna help out when I see the old me online acting clueless.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

The thing that amazes me and your situation lays it out perfectly is how a woman can literally go 180 degrees on you, in terms of interest.

I have had times in the past where talking dirty with an FWB gets her turned on and all that and we have great sex when we see each other again. Then at a certain point, doing that same thing is labeled as "creepy."

It's crazy how no matter how good the sex was and all that, a woman can go from acting like she's sexually attracted to you and all that, to acting cold and pretty much dropping you out of nowhere. I have had it happen to me a number of times. One week, she wants you over to fuck and will give you great head during sex. The next week, she is suddenly "too tired" to have you over. It blows my mind how women can turn on a switch like that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

She realized you were winning the interaction and she didn't think enough of you to justify the alpha spot you took in her life, else she thinks enough of you but started the lockdown gamble.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't even know if the lockdown thing had to do with it, but maybe you are right. Chicks just want to be pumped and dumped. It's funny because I had sex with a chick I met on tinder and she said she enjoyed it.

Then, a day later, I realize that she removed me from tinder and blocked me on snapchat. Guess I am never seeing her again. Would be funny if I randomly ran into her somewhere. Some chicks want to be pumped and dumped.

[–]smirk_addict 3 points4 points  (3 children)

It honestly sounds like you dodged a bullet. You could've dragged this on indefinitely if you were a selfish asshole. Like why can't we just have great sex and it be ok for me to be fucking nice to you?

[–]thedaynos 9 points10 points  (2 children)

yes i dodged a bullet. found out from the mutual friend that this girl went and dated her cousin for a bit like a month after our "fling". now it's like 6 years later she's still living in the same trash ass apartment with a live in boyfriend but different baby daddy. oh yeah they keep a german shepherd in the car 24/7 cause the apartment doesn't allow dogs.

and please don't think i ask about this girl, my friend just brings her up every once in a while cause there's always something new. i don't even live near there anymore. very grateful for whatever i did on that date to make her think less of me. big win! lol

[–]smirk_addict 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Well damn! It's great to get a feel good story from this subreddit every now and then. Sometimes we run into girls like this and think we did something wrong. But more often than not, it's just a character flaw on the woman's part and they are doing us a favor by running away from male decency.

[–]Bascome 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Also- "The TV is better in my bedroom, lets watch the movie there"

[–]trainwithlino 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Why the fuck are guys giving girls lines of credit because they have a pussy?

Make the transaction clear from the get go, you want to fuck, she already knows if she is willing or not.

That way neither of you waste your time and you don't feel used.

[–]ProNotPro points points [recovered]

Another Game post the OP of which doesn't know what calibration means.

First of all, of course don't go out for dinner, or something else expensive.

You're planning a date to impress her

No, that's not the right frame. When you ask her out always re-frame it as "you are not sure about her, you are just intrigued, you need to know more". Look at this infield for a very good example of re-framing.
Also, you have to be man-to-woman when you ask for her #/snap/insta/whatever.

it's hard to escalate in public

Only with physicality, but that's not needed for you to close.

she has the freedom to leave anytime, and she can easily say no at the end of the night when you invite her back

Rapey vibes alert OP. She can do that even if you invite her to your home.

Why guys continually adopt this ineffective sexual strategy is beyond me.

I love how you answer your question by yourself without realizing it lol

You can't screen/filter a girl out

Let's say you invite 100 girls straight to your crib, and n of them say yes. It's pretty obvious those same girls would say yes to walk close to your house, coffee next to your house etc.

However, from the 100-n girls you "lost," you would probably get a day2 with m girls.

Obviously, n<n+m.

I am not saying that you shouldn't do what OP suggests. I am just making clear that this is a numbers game, so know how those work.

[–]p00nbrigade 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Great comment. I was waiting for someone to say this. Re framing your interaction as man to women and bringing her into your frame immediately by having her accompany you in an activity of your choice is the best way to have your game tight from the start.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

i fucking hate infields. most of this shit is so fucking fake.

you have to be man-to-woman when you ask for her #/snap/insta/whatever.

nah, it's easy. in 10 messages or less = silly line, her response, my counter with a suggestion of drinks, her affirmation (depending on her response, sometimes i don't even wait for her affirmation), "what's your #?", #. if this doesn't work, she's not attracted to you.

[–]superizrod 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Definitely viable, but only to girls who ara instantly attracted to you. Game is all about these neutral girls, who for most guys are the majority they meet. Strong game can turn around even negative girls. It all comes to the initial interaction, though. So no need to text a lot if you built good level of attraction/comfort.

Can you provide screenshots? (you can blur names and photos ofc)

edit: grammar

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That infield was an A+ field report.

The rapey vibe scene was a try-hard clown comedy scene we see in most comedy movies (low grade) mixed in with girl power propaganda.

[–]Slut_Slayer9000 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's pretty obvious those same girls would say yes to walk close to your house, coffee next to your house etc.

Yeah sure, but what's more convenient for you and more likely to end up having sex? Op's option.

However, from the 100-n girls you "lost," you would probably get a day2 with m girls.

Ok but why do day 2's matter? So you can invest more time in attempting to have sex? I've used OP's method many many times, and my best plates have came from this method. It weed's out a lot of girls and it allows you to invest the least amount of time, money and energy possible. Regardless I invite them over to my place after I've screened them through text, and snapchat to make sure they're not landwhales or catfish, and we either chill at my place or we go into my apartment then bounce to some nearby place for a mini date so the girl is at least someone what familiar with my place if she is the more inexperienced type.

Any guy who is against this almost always doesn't have his own place to try this strategy out. And if that's the case you should defintely be working on that before you even seriously considered dating.

[–]LymanRP 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well stated. Dates can be successful and should still be used, but in your frame. The problem is that for most guys, "date" means "take girl out for a nice/expensive dinner." It's boring awkward, and screams BB.

Go for simple, cheap dates that are fun. Choose situations where you're active and provide opportunities for touching and Kino.

Remember, most girls have been on a plethora of shitty dinner dates. Do something to set yourself apart from all the other dudes who bought her dinner at their favorite restaurant.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I honestly only meet up with girls in a bar near my place. Mainly because I like drinking and want to see if she's legit before she comes over.

If its a girl I met while out and spent a bit of time with her and am already down then sure her place or mine when I talk to her next.

[–]reecewagner 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Also, you have to be man-to-woman when you ask for her #/snap/insta/whatever.

No you certainly do not. I got 7 numbers via Tinder yesterday alone.

WTF man!? What's the point of reading this reddit if I'm gonna act like a chode anyway. The more time a chick spends with you the more she should like you.

Seriously, are you sure you're on the right sub? Because that's not even remotely close to how women operate.

[–]1swaglordobama 36 points37 points  (15 children)

Kind of dumb advice. Most girls will not come straight to your place if they do not know you very well unless they are horny or you have high social proof and they trust you. Your best bet is to meet with her NEAR your house so you can go to your house spontaneously 'e.g. oh I forgot my wallet, I live just 2 minutes away' 'i need to grab a jacket' or seed your place during the date. You can just do coffee and seed some cool shit back at your place or have her take you shopping then drop off what you bought at home.

Remember, the girl is coming to see you because she likes you.

Also, expecting something from a date is a really toxic frame. Coming from a frame of just having fun + 'fuck fate frame / eventual fuck destinity' is much healthier for you and the girl as it takes the pressure off of you to 'make something happen' and allows things to escalate naturally.

[–]abbafishhead[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Also, expecting something from a date is a really toxic frame. Coming from a frame of just having fun + 'fuck fate frame / eventual fuck destinity' is much healthier for you and the girl as it takes the pressure off of you to 'make something happen' and allows things to escalate naturally.

This is some sour grapes bullshit. We don't date for fun; otherwise we'd just hang out with our male buddies, who're almost always funner than chicks. We date with the eventual intention of fucking her, especially when that hasn't happened yet.

[–]1swaglordobama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or, you know you're going to get laid eventually, and you don't give a shit if it's with that girl or another girl (this is abundance, btw). You appreciate a woman's energy and company because, unless you cuddle with your boys, and you all use strawberry shampoo to get each others dicks hard, hanging out with your boys ain't the same as a girl.

Sex is just something that happens when you hang out with a girl. It's not a big deal, so don't make it one...

[–]Slut_Slayer9000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I defintely wouldn't say most girls, if this is the case your SMV might be lower then you think. What I do a lot of the time is have her drive to my place regardless and if she's down we just chill there but if I can tell she isn't to keen on that idea, I'll set up a mini date that I'll drive us too once she gets to my place, but I'll show her around my apartment first so she's comfortable and familiar with it, which makes it easier to pull back to my place afterwards. But most of the time having weed+own place its pretty fucking easy to get laid. Because you can't exactly smoke weed in public, you gotta do in private, so its a great excuse to invite her over to "smoke weed" aka smash.

[–]TheSp4rk 3 points4 points  (8 children)

You have some good points, but remember The Red Pill is about sexual strategy.... it isn't about the expectation, but about upping the chances of you getting some tail.

[–]1swaglordobama 22 points23 points  (7 children)

The thing is that the majority of men here have no fucking clue how female psychology works; they discover negative spiking and use it to manipulate women so they can put their latex wrapped dick in a lukewarm hole then brag about it online (hhaaha i get so much p00sy breeuuhh i'm alpha now hhaahha hamsters on a plate!!! AWALT!!!!). Majority of the posts I see on here are written by clueless guys with half baked ideas. They are only scratching the surface of sexuality. Most of the thinking on here is alt-blue pill, not red pill. People are buying into another kind of social conditioning without really understanding it, nesting about 3 feet down the rabbit hole. It's still hollywood thinking. Get Da L00kz Get Da Monneey Get Da P00sSEy!!!! JuzT Walk uP and Say< "HeaY Ur KewT wana Grab a cofFfeE!!!???? (btw have u seen my biceps haha ? )"

If you want to up the chances of you getting some, put yourself in a situation which allows you to meet and interact with a lot of women. Get a job as a bartender or club promoter. Become a drug dealer. Hell, even some guy managing a restaurant gets easy fucking pussy. Become a professional photographer. Get into 9's and 10's social circle. Fuck the hottest women in the world. This is sexual strategy. You still need game.

Social proof exists in a bubble. If you are a rockstar within a certain venue, you will get insane attraction in that venue (which you turn into arousal and comfort). Which is why managers, bartenders, promoters, dj's, etc, get laid so fucking easily if they have a bit of game. If you want to fuck multiple girls in a night, every night, get a pad near a venue in which you have high proof and status. It's not that complex. If girls see you're buddies with the staff and DJ's of a club, that's attraction. They will open you. They will escalate on you.

If you hang out with a girl alone, she will eventually get horny and want to fuck you as long as she doesn't think you're a guy who will judge her for it or brag about it to his friends and ruin her reputation. This is the natural process. Don't be a fucking weird, creepy guy with an agenda, put yourself in a situation where you meet a lot of women, create good logistics for pulling, and you suddenly enter the top .1% of men on earth.

If you understand anything about buying temperature and social dynamics, you know that your appearance doesn't mean shit to the girl; it's a bonus. Mention that around here, though, and every guy who thinks he's "red-pilled" will REEEE the fuck out because he thinks women experience arousal and attraction the same way that men do. "But that's how it is in the movies, bruhhh!!!" "This one girl saw my muscles and she said hi to me haha looks matter d00d!!!" It's a fucking circle-jerk of misinformation. Your voice is more powerful than your appearance. Your body language and how you carry yourself communicate more about you than your words ever could; honest signals. High confidence actually builds more attraction if you're not a good looking guy.

Imagine if sex felt 10-20 times more intense and pleasurable and was available to you at any time, yet it was extremely repressed and constantly shamed as something bad or wrong. Then add the slut factor, and that you could lose friends and social status for being too open about having sex. Welcome to a woman's world. Horny as fuck but unable to act on it because most guys are fucking retards.

I could rant for hours about how misdirected this sub is but there's no point. I try to offer some value here and there.

[–]Handsomebob103 5 points6 points  (2 children)

This is so fuking true. My rooommate is a bartender at a resturnant. Dates a girl who works there and has the rest of the 19-25 year old girls snapping him nudes begging him to cheat with them on his girl due to Social proof. I work a govt job. Make good money have all the fun toys. Can't meet girls like this anywhere. They are outside my circle so no social proof. Another guy I know works at a gym. Dates one of the hot girls that works there and fuks the others because why. Social proof. I actually was fuking the one he dated after he cheated again and she left him. Guess what. After a few weeks she ran back to him. Probably couldn't handle the fact that he was gona fuk all the girls and not her. A job with lots of women is a goldmine but you can't be a server forever and hope to have nice things.

[–]1swaglordobama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you can't be a server forever and hope to have nice things.

Yeah exactly, which is why guys need to learn cold approach.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Such a great post ruined by misinformation.

"This one girl saw my muscles and she said hi to me haha looks matter d00d!!!" It's a fucking circle-jerk of misinformation. Your voice is more powerful than your appearance. Your body language and how you carry yourself communicate more about you than your words ever could; honest signals. High confidence actually builds more attraction if you're not a good looking guy.

That's because that's all you have when you aren't good looking. And this sub exists to decode the bullshit that guys felt but couldn't truly understand. Why did it feel like women judge 80% of men as unattractive? Well.. because they do.

http://i.imgur.com/2MstAzl.gif

Imagine if sex felt 10-20 times more intense and pleasurable and was available to you at any time, yet it was extremely repressed and constantly shamed as something bad or wrong.

Not true at all. Simply that women are cyclical.

Everything you are describing are methods you should be employing after you work on the easiest part, becoming attractive. Most men, within statistical normality, are able to do this with diet, exercise and style. Don't need to go too crazy here.

You want guys to work upstream. Simply is ridiculous.

You're outlining great sexual strategy while still FIRMLY holding onto the blue pill. WHY?

Do you really think a man's VOICE is more important than the way he looks? COME ON.

You are so obviously deluded, you should put on 40lbs and see how great your voice is pulling. Come the fuck on man.

[–]1swaglordobama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are two ways to get ahead. One is self improvement, the other is self acceptance (indifference to shortcomings). You should always strive for self improvement, but paradoxically you should always be self accepting and willing to laugh at your shortcomings.

It's like with marketing. Even if your product sucks, you want to market your product as if it's the best thing ever, but behind the scenes you want to constantly be working on actually making it something valuable.

Thinking that you'll only get success when you achieve something is the definition of blue-pull socially conditioned consumer thinking. "Once I have that cushy job girls will notice me!" "Once I have that sixpack girls will notice me!" "Once I have those $500 jeans girls will notice me!" Nah dude, you're just setting up parameters for you to feel comfortable with yourself. Girls will be receptive to you if they feel like you are just comfortable with yourself and able to have a good time with them (aka not putting them on a pedastool, not having some weird agenda). If you are plugged into socially conditioned thinking (aka bluepill mentality) and you start getting retarded results with girls as a fat short balding man with a small dick and back hair, your brain will fucking fry because it's so far out of your reality.

If you are fucked up because of your shortcomings, the girls sense that and they will be repulsed by you. Confidence is self awareness and self acceptance; knowing you will be just fine no matter what bullshit life throws at you.

Again, you are thinking about it from the perspective of how we experience attraction as males. For us, a woman's fertility is conveyed through physical signals, hence why if a girl is hot we're pretty much good to go. Women take a vastly different approach to sex because they are taking a much larger risk when fucking a guy. They don't give a shit about physical appearance as much as they do about social status and personality traits.

Being physically attractive gets your foot in the door, so to speak, but it's not going to be enough by itself. You still need game. Hence why it's a bonus. The baseline, all you need, is being a man. You're enough as you are.

The majority of guys are unattractive because, well, they are unattractive. They aren't fun to be around. They aren't at ease with themselves. They are petty, competitive, and fragile. Their motivations and desires are rarely actually their own; they are just what social conditioning has been pounding into their heads since they were fucking 3 years old. Guys run the rat race thinking they will finally be able to rest at the end with a warm hole on their lap. The journey is all their is. The rat race is a mirage to domesticate men into cogs for the sake of society, nothing more.

For society to function, the majority of men have to be unattractive. They have to play provider roles. Women have to "cheat" on them with men who are attractive so that their offspring won't be so fucking lame. This is women acting in THEIR best interest; their sexual strategy. As men we must become aware of this and accept it. This is our species. To deny it is to deny nature.

[–]Shakydrummer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hit the nail on the head man. Good post.

[–]askmrcia -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Think you need to star your own post. I could read your content all day.

[–]reecewagner 0 points1 point  (2 children)

unless they are horny

ding ding ding

News flash brah, women are horny

[–]1swaglordobama 0 points1 point  (1 child)

News flash bruhh, dick is abundant.

[–]reecewagner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess mine is abnormally popular, because I do the opposite of what you're suggesting and it works all the time. Continue devising your little wallet schemes and I'll continue getting laid.

[–]epixs 13 points14 points  (5 children)

This is good for DTF girls for sure, but some girls might feel their slut defensive up (even though AWALT). Instead if you meet them out at a bar super close and then tell them to come back to see your cool poster, it can be hamstered in their head that it was just to see the poster and not to have sex. If you're high SMV most of the time they're down, this from my past experiences.

I am not saying your strategy doesn't work (I've had girls come over straight to my place first date from tinder), but you can have a much higher success rate doing the first meet at the bar and then bring them back to your place the same night within 40-50 minutes. Plus this makes it to where if the bitch is crazy, she dosn't know where you live.

I never do anything besides drinks for a first "date", only a LTR would ever get a dinner date or an actual date.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Question: do you both meet at the bar via car and then she drives back to your place? I get stuck with car logistics sometimes.

[–]bboy1977 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Uber. One less thing to worry about.

[–]askmrcia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This really depends. I try to avoid as much as possible where we both meetup at a place and we both drive.

Me personally, I either pick them up myself or have them drive to my house and we walk/carpool to a bar or whatever place together.

The only times where I had no choice where we both meetup at a bar is if they are 40mins away and they live in some remote area. Why?

Because chances are they are lazy fucks and don't want to drive to my area that has all the bars, so we end up meeting half way. And I rarely close (can't remember if I ever did actually) in these situations so I tend to avoid them at all cost.

[–]throwaway-aa2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ok so what happens when you bring these same girls back to your place and they still put up the slut defense?

[–]iOSvista 11 points12 points  (3 children)

This has its ups and downs. I usually briefly escalate on Tinder and have never had a fantastic experience with meeting a girl for sex prior to meeting just to meet. The last experience I had has really put a damper on my outlook when it comes to doing this.

I invited this 7/8 over to get plowed and the anticipation of knowing I was getting new pussy that night made me fairly horny for a couple of hours leading up.

She eventually texts saying shes here and I expect to run out and see the thin, busty, cute faced latina chick that I was talking to, but instead, at the bottom of my staircase, already inside my apartment complex, looking up at me, is the porkiest hambeast I have ever seen. My heart sank, "wtf do I do in this situation." She was wearing a grungy black hoody with the hood up, some nasty leggings with lint and dog hair on them, and some gross fucking slipper type things.

Me being the horny fuck I am, more importantly the major pussy that I am, smiled hesitantly, didnt really say anything and walked back to my room in horror. I get to my bedroom, she sits her stankass hoodrat noass on my bed, as quickly as possibly I run to shut off the lights, hold my breath and pinch my nose, whip out the cock and let her suck it. She wasnt bad actually at blowing me so I busted and literally said IMMEDIATELY after "holy hell would you look at the time," and pulled the old yawn stretch. I proceeded to hand her belongings, ordered her an uber just to hurry her the fuck out, and shut the door behind her, immediately after I blocked her on tinder and from my phone and took a long, seething hot shower.

Be careful, these hoes is hambeasts. For real. Lesson learned

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (2 children)

She eventually texts saying shes here and I expect to run out and see the thin, busty, cute faced latina chick that I was talking to, but instead, at the bottom of my staircase, already inside my apartment complex, looking up at me, is the porkiest hambeast I have ever seen

Had the EXACT same experience last year. And I was thanking God that my roommates or neighbors did not see her or I would have gotten ridiculed for the next 8 years at least.

she sits her stankass hoodrat noass on my bed, as quickly as possibly I run to shut off the lights, hold my breath and pinch my nose, whip out the cock and let her suck it.

Yea bro, I could and would not ever go that far. I give you props though lol

[–]iOSvista 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Haha exactly my point. Unfortunately my roommate saw her, and I totally ignored him and didn't introduce them as she awkwardly walked past him toward my room. After the deed was done, I had a long talk with my roommate about what we believed bighammiesammich's thought process was like, prior to coming to my house. We came to the conclusion that this doubledeckabologneloaf was operating under malicous disregard, fully understanding the intentional and misleading trickery she was engaging in. We decided that she was most likely betting on the fact that once she got in the door, I wouldn't have the cahunas to turn her away based on her looks. Unfortunately she was correct and I will never fall for this again, and will definately be hesitant to meet strangers strictly for sex in the future...

[–]iOSvista 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The funny thing is that a woman would totally find an excuse not to, and in fact if she didnt, would probably feel traumatized for the rest of her life, posting on womens rape support groups and seeking sexual trauma therapy had the genders been reversed here, and I was the fat dude tricking a higher value bitch.

[–]Mangoinhand points points [recovered]

The problem with this is that it will bring in all the ho's too quickly.

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Im guessing that's what OP wants.

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

...which is what we want, no? Even if you're looking for a non-ho, this method will tell you volumes about what kind of girl she is.

[–]ingenjor 10 points11 points  (3 children)

"That's too risky. She'll say no of course, she's not a slut." Oh yeah? Well, have you tried it?

I always try it with girls I don't feel like wasting the time going out on a date with. It pretty much never works. Maybe it's location-based (I'm not in the US).

[–]smirk_addict 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is location based. I'm in a small town in the U.S. This hardly ever works if you are doing day game. You have to approach the girl, sell yourself, then convince her to just come to your place without you taking her out. Very low success rate. This is for dating apps, social circles, or if you have some type of status.

Just take the girls out and don't be boring. Then do the plausible deniability thing(I hate doing that shit).

[–]jarco45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most of the minor stuff on TRP is very centered around American culture. Which is sometimes disappointing but it makes sense considering how many Americans are on here.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

i was originally a chump and was taking girls to nice dinners. swallowed the pill and moved it to drinks. for new girls, i cut it off hard after 1 drink. if she goes to order food, "i just ate" and i don't bother to pay for anything of hers. "[to the bartender] hey, can i close out? oh, just my drink." this one girl ordered a $14 glass of wine and 3x $10-14 food items after i told her i wasn't hungry... when i noped out forcing her to pay for all her own shit, she looked at me like i just curbstomped a baby.

i've recently started testing tinder girls for skipping drinks and going straight to "netflix and chill." i don't know what i think about it.

especially for online girls, you really have to meet her first. i'm fucking ruthless with that shit. virtually all women look 1-3 notches worse than her worst pic. ignore pics of them at weddings entirely. if she doesn't have a pic showing she's clearly skinny (straight angle, bare arms or waist), she's overweight or obese. committing a whole night to online girls, sight unseen, is a recipe for burning a shitload of time with women you don't even want to fuck.

i'm usually meeting 1-2 new girls a night, followed by a plate. it's only wednesday, i've already slept with 3 girls this week, and my plate tonight will be the 4th.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

3rd this week? Currently in a bit of a dry spell. Teach me

[–]sumethreuaweiei 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Any advice for those of us in a dorm? Also, how would you set this up?

"Come over to my place, I've got some drinks that I think you'll like…"

And the meet me outside part:

"Meet me outside, I need to make sure you're not a thief or anything like that"

[–]SlimCharles209 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you tell her that, then invite her inside... make her ass clap if you ain't right beside her. Tell her clap until you get back.

[–]ArkAngelEV 10 points11 points  (0 children)

BIG FUCKING POINTS HERE, PAY ATTENTION YOU BETA FAGGOTS. Blew me away when a hotshot lawyer invited me to her place on park ave without even fucking meeting OR EVEN TALKING ON THE PHONE. We txted a few times, sent and received pics. I txted her something like, "you seem like a stuck up bitch that drinks too much wine and doesn't get fucked hard enough". Didn't message me back in 3 days, then on the 4th just txted me her address/apt # and time and said if i had the balls to come over and say that to her face. So I did, and face fucked her.

This girl was thin, big boobed, blonde and angelic face. Had I seen her out in the streets I would've NEVER suspected what a nasty girl she was in the bedroom. You really do have to go into every situation thinking they are the nastiest sluts in the world.

As hot as our short lived rendezvous was, I miss her apt. I would use her than sit on a windowsill naked looking out. This young professional had absolutely killer views. Casually had a (real) blue face, full gold rolex on her nightstand. Walk-in closet; tasteful and outrageous collection of clothes and purses. Even then, I knew I most likely won't ever have experience living on park ave or living that lavishly

[–]BillyBones8 22 points23 points  (27 children)

I don't think I would want to fuck a girl who agrees to come over to a random guys house on the first date.

It's different if you already know each other though. But even then, most girls simply will not come over unless they get to know you first.

[–]LymanRP 21 points22 points  (1 child)

If you're just looking for sex, then OP doesn't have a bad strategy. Just remember though, if she goes straight to your place from Tinder without meeting you first, then she's probably done that with other guys as well.

[–]BillyBones8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is true. OP's strategy is great if you are okay with any of the above mentioned factors.

[–]Mangoinhand points points [recovered]

Bingo. This.

I like to meet the girl in public, nice place for tea/coffee for less than an hour.

If she passes that, then 2nd date is at my place

Reasons:

  • first date is very cheap
  • first date is fast
  • filter out catfish and sluts

[–]flexmechanica 26 points27 points  (2 children)

"Filter out sluts"

Boy are you retarded?

[–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah, somebody find me a way to filter FOR sluts plz, haha

[–]BillyBones8 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly. This approach is beneficial for the guy too. I don't want a random girl in my house. She could be crazy or just not someone I want to be around in my own living space.

[–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Exactly. I could see this working while in hs and college because you already know the girls but other than in those environments it's a non-starter.

[–]BillyBones8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right, its okay if you two have talked in class here and there or maybe met at a party one time. But like a random Tinder date or something just sounds like a bad idea.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 2 points3 points  (9 children)

So you want to be an incel? Back to the sidebar buddy.

https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/10/good-girls-do/

[–]BillyBones8 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Thanks for the tip. I'm a regular reader here. It has nothing to do with being an Incel.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Right, because you're purple pill. You still think women exist who wouldn't do this for the right guy. You're either not red pilled yet, or you're misunderstanding the content.

If you understand the content, you would be advocating a form for incel. Since that's not the case, let's find out where you're missing it.

[–]BillyBones8 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Turn your aggression down alpha man. You aren't reading my comments then.

Never said girls wouldn't do this. Just said that I personally aren't interested in it, I said most girls wouldn't do this for most men.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I'm reading your comments just fine, you just don't get it.

Never said girls wouldn't do this. Just said that I personally aren't interested in it, I said most girls wouldn't do this for most men.

Which is not true. That is the point of Good Girls Do, by Rollo. That is part of the foundation of both AWALT and also the true red pill.

You are a purple piller, you just don't realize it yet.

Read "Mitche's purple pill" and get back to me.

Nearly every woman would do this for the right guy for her. Still got the blue pill in your throat.

Now of course you'll go "ah ha, but I'll find the girl who wouldn't!" Not realizing why you think that girl would be any different, because of course "NAWALT!"

[–]BillyBones8 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Which is not true

Ok bud. Keep the circle jerk alive. There is no convincing you. I'll read that bitter article. When you come back to the real world you be sure to let me know.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You'll read "that bitter article?" Dude, it's sidebar material. It's ROLLO.

What are you doing here?

[–]BillyBones8 0 points1 point  (2 children)

it's sidebar material.

Implying that this can't be bitter.

[–]throwaway-aa2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I mean, let's be clear here. You're calling out Rollo. I'm a third party in this "debate" but if you're going to call out such an esteemed leader of the TRP movement, then you better have an actual reason instead of making vague comments.

[–]sumethreuaweiei 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So you'd ask her to see if she's that type, and if she says yes you'd drop her?

[–]BillyBones8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably yeah, But I wouldn't want her over at my place if its the first time meeting her anyway.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Why not? If you just want to fuck a warm and wet hole then it's a valid strategy

[–]BillyBones8 1 point2 points  (1 child)

True but I am just not comfortable with letting random people in my house. Just me though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's reasonable, I would probably screen any potential women at the front door of my apartment building just in case to be quite honest, wouldn't stop me from inviting them over in the first place though

[–]muh_posts 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You could be billy beta boy to her and she could have gone to a random's apartment yesterday. How will you ever know? Might as well get yours.

[–]Buchloe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've gotten to a point with online dating where we are talking online with enough innuendo, that she knows the plan is to fuck. We'll go meet for a drink, just so she gets public assurance that I'm who and what I appear to be online, but before we even meet I make sure that the stated plan involves going back to one or the others place.

[–]OilyB 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is true for me. I'm a Caribbean type guy living in Europe, with a hammock hanging in my apartment... So I tell them about it and it always results in interest in my hammock experience. Either the first date ends there and sometimes begins there - sex guaranteed.

The only condition though is that I'm always cheeky, naughty on the first date, I shittest them and lightly poke fun at them, which positions them ever so slightly beneath me.

Good post!

[–]insoucianc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Congratulations son, you've re-invented Netflix and Chill.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

One of the reasons I will be excited when I can afford to rent or buy my own apartment. I will be able to invite women over and get laid, instead of having to do it at their place.

[–]ransay3277 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good post and good strategy. separate yourself immediately and separate her immediately. Cut out the time wasters.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You're not going to change her mind; in fact, she might even change her mind from "yes" to "no" after you take her out on a date and reveal your beta tendencies.

Hahaaha I laughed so good there, nice humour man 😂👍

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not sure why that's funny, it's no secret that many girls do change their minds once they realized the guy they thought wS alpha turned out to be beta. They're usually pissed off when they get it wrong, and rightfully so.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was funny because of the to reveal your Beta tendencies, it was like you are a miserable beta, but try to act properly and I imagined you saying this with RDJs face!

Found it funny

[–]TheVagWhisperer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same advice every time. Treat a woman like a sex object if you want sex. Not one single post about a relationship consisting of anything more than banging.

[–]MrAnderzon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Damn I need to get my own place.

[–]p00nbrigade 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Great write up. I'll have to try this strategy out more. My go to strategy is to invite a girl out to do something with me, escalate as much as possible the bare minimum being making out and then just move it back to my place then continue to escalate. Usually flows pretty smoothly.

I like this strategy because I feel like it helps me with my one night stand game where I need to carry an interaction and escalate over a longer period of time.

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've done that in the past, and it's still a valid strategy and still effective. You'll nonetheless waste more time and money for sure.

[–]Virtusvitium 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is true as fuck. If she can't drive, pick her up, buy coffee or pizza, and take her somewhere and smash. I did this, however I was seeking a relationship. I learned the hard way that most women just want pizza and one night stands because they're too busy with their personal life for any commitment. Do yourself a favor and don't try to date a girl you fuck on the first night. If she's done it with you, she's done it with many others.

[–]InfiniteAscent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I sometimes bring up the notion of "what is important to people in a spouce/LTR" and point out that people will prioritize things differenty - personality, appearance, common interests, whatever. Then I point out that sex trumps all of those things in every case. Not that it's higher priority, but that it's a must have item on the list. Because everyone (except people who are bi) automatically eliminates half the population based on their gender. Women look for that "companionship" with men, and men with women. Gay folks look for it in their own gender. Because at the end of the day it's a requirement that you be able to fuck them regardless of where that falls in the priority list. It's non-negotiable for everyone. After I mention this to people they're often not sure how to respond. This post basically changes the "getting to know you" phase by screening for this absolute requirement first and foremost - everything else is preferences of various degree.

[–]godfatherchimp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sometimes with online dating is impossible to meet a girl anywhere but a public place, where you are automatically in her frame

But yes, I agree for the most part. Even in my blue pill days, one girl I met in college who was obviously interested, she just straight up invited me over. To fuck obviously

[–]jrdnsln 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well said my man. If you don't want to be the guy taken for a ride then don't pretend to be a guy who will be taken for a ride.

Inevitably the point in the conversation will come where she asks what you guys are gonna do for your first meeting. "You're gonna come over so we can fool around" This works so good. If she says sure or ok or something smart and cute like "oh you think you got it like that" the by god you're in. Game over. If she's hesitant and insists on meeting in public first then you gotta gauge on your own if she's worth it. You should've been gaming her enough to know the likelihood of smashing. If she rejects the idea outright then you saved yourself a ton of time.

[–]sickofallofyou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah most of my first dates end up at my house, or tinderellas they just come right over.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Love this idea. My best plates have been direct invite fucking on first meetup.

Question though. On tinder game /real life game, is it better to ask them to come over or lead by saying you should come over?

" We are having drinks this Friday at my place"

Vs

"Wanna come over for drinks Friday?"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Combine them - "We should have drink Friday"

[–]TheRedStoic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent advice. I learned this lesson when I began going over to their place commonly instead of a first date. I noticed a definite increase in numbers. Then I started using mine. Now I'm back to going to theirs though since I prefer my place to be off limits unless they've been plates for quite a while.

[–]heartbroken_nerd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Using it on chicks met in real life (daygame/nightgame) sounds like a good plan to me.

Any tips for above scenarios?

[–]esperanzablanca 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I always invite them over to a "pijama party" and ask them to bring her pijama. Works most of the time.

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It might have worked even better if you told them to bring their pajamas.

[–]Masterleek 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Damn they removed this before I could read it. I had just saved it yesterday to read today, is there any way you can repost or send me the gist of it? Seemed like a great read!

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean they removed it? The guide is still there.

[–]count_bratula 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't deny that a girl might come over on the first day knowing that sex is on the menu.

Most girls I've met though are pretty scared of being raped/killed by a psycho and wouldn't do that immediately. They at least need to meet a guy somewhere public first to assess him.

[–]SgtDowns 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Wait did you really say part of the success is "she has the freedom to leave anytime." Bro, even if she's at your apartment she should have the freedom to leave at anytime. I hope that's a misstatement in your part.

[–]Sighters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

noticed that as well, had to reread that when i read that line

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'll rephrase. She'll feel less obliged to stay on on a date in a public place. In your place, it feels rude for her to leave suddenly. She usually stays on out of politeness, and many indeed do give into sex and then proceed to write it off the next day.

[–]SgtDowns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So... You want to guilt her into having sex with you... You got this all wrong...

[–]DamnDirtyApe87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do both, but I try and get them to my place with a nice 'let me make you dinner at my place' by the second date usually. If we made out already or they're really into me, I can skip the coffee bullshit usually.

[–]VanillaVeku 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Something I'm confused about though.

I thought one of the main purposes of TRP was to differenciate yourself from other more "beta" and "generic" men.

With the hookup culture being so dominated by guys trying to get a quick no strings attached lay out of women, are you not behaving just like the typical man if your sole intent is to just get a quick lay as well?

[–]4scoopscomeon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yo /u/abbafishhead, do you know why this got deleted? I remember it being useful so I bookmarked it, came back to this..

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure why it did. Maybe because it was preaching too much truth that it had to be censored. There was nothing controversial or wrong about it...

[–]bastardson9090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All I could keep thinking while reading this was Dennis "the implication"

[–]DesignerTom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Interesting, of course dinner dates and cinema dates are terrible bUt actually hanging out with a girl outside of your apartment can be lots of fun. I think your method would screen for girls DTF but there will also be girls who are equally DTF at a the end of a good date who don't want to seem like such an obvious slut.

[–]mcr00sterdota -1 points0 points  (1 child)

What if you don't have your own house (renting or living with parents)

[–]1Tommy_407 1 point2 points  (0 children)

WTF do you mean by renting? Renting means you have your own apartment or room atleast and your roommates can't control what you do or who you have over if it's a member of the opposite sex and obviously intimacy related.

Unless you're in a beta deal with some uptight ass subletter usually a chick who won't let you have any overnight guests or some frumpish old widow renting her upstairs rooms out sort of deal.

If u live with parents first of all how old are u?

But the answer to parents situation would be monk mode until u can rent a room.

[–]PurpleDrank88 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Don't disagree with a lot of your points, but I also don't think that taking a girl out once before bringing her back is going to kill your chances at getting laid. I'm not taking the girl out to dinner or on some nice date to impress her, but shit if she wants to go have a few drinks at a bar beforehand who cares? Odds are you are still getting laid either way

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wrong. The dating landscape is changing. Read the 2nd or 3ed top comment about how everything is relative. You lose lays by taking girls out on dates.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree with this post for the most part in principle but I always make meet up #2 at my place not #1.

No. 1 is usually something ultra casual and short to see if she is someone I would want in my apartment. But #2 is always at my place every time.

[–]Poptart318 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

What if you're a college student who still live at home with parents?

[–]Sighters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

few options : get a job and move out into own place work around parents schedule and try to bring the girl when parents arent home her place if you're kinky, do it public/car/bathroom haha

[–]Swoledinger -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not going to invite randos back to the Bat Cave. You want crazy in your house? That's how you get crazy in your house.

You have a girl meet you at a dive bar. It's great because they are cheap, scuzzy, and have become quite popular with girls out to prove something. Meet her there. Don't pay for shit. Play some pool. Go back to hers. It's really pretty simple. Stay on script.

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