Rant/Venting"I'm not that kind of girl" - tinderella at my college (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Hyrkan

Yesterday I was sitting in college library getting some of my work done, when a few girls took a table next to me and started talking their dates/tinders.

Now, only one of them was attractive enough to bone, yet still not attractive enough to spend anything on. The other two - a butterface, and a fatty.

They pretended to study for a bit, discussed some bullshit, then the best looking one started to give relation from her date. In a telegraphic short, as it's not the main point here: She was taken on a date, where the guy wanted to pay full expenses. He chose expensive places and tried to buy her attraction. She herself mentioned she offered to split, but he pressed on paying. Needles to say, she described him as a boring dude afterwards. Outcome: less money, even less sex.

But the main shitfest started when she and the butterface pulled out their phones and started showing each other their tinder matches. Literally laughing off 99% of the guys, saying they're pathetic and creepy and "I'm not a girl like that, they're only about sex.". Literally, few swipes left after, one of them swiped some hot profile left, by a mistake. All of them went screaming apeshit, saying that guy was hot af, asking how to return to his profile. A direct contradiction of what they were spouting seconds before.

I had a good laugh off it and I'm still chuckling about it today. To me it was a live confirmation of the truths about women.

Lessons confirmed:

  1. Not their words, actions

  2. Money won't buy attraction

  3. They're all overvalidated

  4. 80/20 rule is 95/5 on tinder

While this post doesn't bring much to the table, it's a good opportunity to say thank you all folks, have a great Thursday!

[–][deleted] 539 points540 points  (38 children)

All women are that kind of girl for the right man

[–]IblizTrigga 206 points207 points  (7 children)

Or as I like to say:

She's not that kind of girl... unless you're that kind of man!

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Or like the saying from Mad Men:

"Show me what kind of man you are so I know what kind of woman I shall be" or something like that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't heard that but will work it into my game

make it a challenge to her somehow...

"By the end of tonight you will know exactly what kind of woman to be."

Seems to show that "I get it" and am not the one auditioning.

Playfully said with a grin and my sunburnt crinkled eyes smiling.

what do u think?

[–]czechchequechecker 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Exactly. The only time when it's okay for a woman to be a complete slut or whore is when she is YOUR slut or whore, not everyones.

[–]SnowKitten09 points points [recovered]

I can confirm. My husband probably married me for that very reason. I keep a great house, make him dinner after along day, and his favorite: I'm his personal whore.

[–]davielondon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

how it should be. fantastic

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not what he's saying. He's saying a woman will be a complete slut to the man she is attracted to. It might be you are your neighbor when she decides she needs to borrow a cup of flour for a recipe and suddenly ran out. Then, "something happened". Hypergamy and all that.

[–]1------6EQUJ5-11--1- points points [recovered]

All woman are that kind of girl for the right exuse.

[–]InfiniteAscent 3 points4 points  (7 children)

I'm actually interested in the excuse angle. In part because I'm still working on my SMV, but also because I've seen times where an excuse may have helped but I couldn't devise one.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (6 children)

A woman's inherent anti-slut defense mechanism will kick into overdrive if the woman believes the man is directly intending on having sex.

Instead you need to indirectly get the message across without explicitly asking her to hook up. Give her plausible deniability - an excuse for why she's going over your place.


"I just went over his house for dinner and a movie, and it just so happened that we had sex!"

No girl wants to be your slam piece that goes home with you just to have sex, most of the time, so just give her an excuse to explain it all away to her friends the next day.

Netflix, movies, Mario Kart, music, whatever excuse you want - don't overthink it, just an excuse for her to come over your place.

[–]menial_optimist 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Just don't ask her to come review your Pony collection.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think you'd get laid for sure if you owned a ranch full of ponies. Pretty valid plausible deniability for a girl to visit.

[–]TechnicParadox 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But once she sees it.. she won't be able to resist. ;)

[–]cozzdad 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Haha. This happened with my friend. So true. He doesn't read TRP. But he told me he was at a party with his friends & he needed a ride home, so this hippie chick offered him a ride. He sells crystals, and asked if she wanted to come in to look at his collection. "As soon as I closed the door we were banging!" He had the right idea.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She didn't really want to see any crystals, probably knew it was bullshit, she just wanted to jump his bones and needed an excuse to keep up appearances

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This one took me a while to internalize, now my goal is to be that man.

[–]MrBellsprout123 5 points6 points  (3 children)

"You're girlfriend will suck dick, she just don't suck your dick."

Pro Tip, don't say this to a guy complaining that his gf doesn't give blowjobs.

[–]ransay3277 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So right. It's foolish to tell a blue pill about a woman's true nature.

[–]MrBellsprout123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of course. "Hey you know all those thousands of hours you spent trying to appeal to women, yeah that was a waste of fucking time."

It's the same reason why you can't go up to a person that's been going to church for 20 years and say:

"Yeah the bible's not real, ya see all these fossils here, yeah that's why."

Its as easy to figure out as 1+1=2, but when you invest so much time into an ideology, its very difficult to admit to yourself that maybe you've had it wrong all along, even if the evidence is right in front of your face.

[–]reecewagner 23 points24 points  (0 children)

This principle has been simultaneously the hardest revelation about TRP to pound into my head, and the best and most advantageous one as well.

[–]Texas_Rangers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like to think of it like this---every person you walk by every day. Or drive by in a car. That is a woman who not only had sex, who not only was of child bearing age, who not only was fertile, who not only was on her ovarian cycle to have kids, who not only didn't get an abortion, and who also who wasn't on birth control.

Women give it up all the time. The literal people around you are evidence, and only evidence of like 1/10,000th of all the actual sex between man and woman that happens.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Even your mother, daughter, sister and wife. And they all have an ingroup bias that will force them to side with whores over you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 81 points82 points  (6 children)

Newsflash: Any woman with Tindr on her phone is "that kind of girl" (for Chad)

[–]RedPillersareCucks 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Most, but not every.

Do an experiment. Use a male model's pictures- you can even link an instagram, or have some extra selfies you can send her if she suspects you are trolling. Hell, even did this with a male model friend.

Start swiping and pulling. You'll get insane results- but it's far from 100%. You can get away with saying some outrageous shit- an opener like "I want to cum on your ass" will still get a yes 10-30% of the time, or more. But there's still going to be some girls who instantly unmatch when you bring up anything sexual/meeting for a date. A very, very tiny minority of girls use it for just friends, chatting, or talking- or they would put out, but put you through a ton of shit tests first.

% varies by location; but there's always a few dumb girls who don't realize what Tinder is used for, and are actually only looking for friends/boyfriends. You could still play them, but then it's a different game, not hooking up with Chad.

[–]WolfenSnappingTurtle 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You really think this is true? Seems legit. All red pillers are cucks?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Strictly speaking all men who don't fuck a virgin are cucks or something very similar.

[–]SMGPthrowaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Which makes all women who don't fuck a virgin cucks too. That makes it a really broad definition.

[–]RedPillersareCucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah. Some are. Redpillers can be fit into multiple categories. The self-improvement types trying to win at life, making themselves happy by doing what makes them happy tend to be fine.

The wannabe Chads trying to up their N count by being PUAs are pretty pathetic, and will likely end up cucks whether they like it or not.

[–]suske127 131 points132 points  (15 children)

Lol - yep. Nothing out of the ordinary, here. Pretty innocent example of how simple women actually are. I love how people say "women are complicated!" But we've got em' mostly figured out here on TRP.

Thanks for posting man fun story.

[–]yomo86 47 points48 points  (2 children)

We did not figure it out. The experience of most guys here just pulled the overlaying mask from their faces. Women are not complicated at all. Taking the appearance for face value screws up ones perception that's all. Especially for men, as we are prone in dealing with objective things more and not human relations.

[–]chinawinsworlds 1 point2 points  (1 child)

We are definitely less interested in human relations, gossips and such, but I think we're just as skilled in those games.

[–]yomo86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutly. My point was women do it from the time they are able to speak. It's hard catching up with someone who is that versed in the art of human personal communications, on your own.

[–]I_VII_VI_VI_VII_I points points [recovered]

Ignore women + Be good looking = Boning til you die Ignore women + Be average looking = You'll get some poon Sweat women + Be good looking = You'll get some poon Sweat women + Be average looking = No boning ever

[–]NickA97 8 points9 points  (1 child)

And that's without taking below average looks into account.

[–]arivankov 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What's the equivalent for women? Just be good looking or

[–]godfatherchimp 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The only reason men think women are complicated is because they are solipsistic. They believe the average woman's default programming is logical thinking over emotional thinking.

Hypergamy is not logical. Hypergamy is whatever gets her the most alpha genes possible.

[–]nrgizme 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm saying this completely devoid of sarcasm, but do you mean to say that women are simple but men are complicated? Or do you mean that as a species we are all equally predictable?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

We're all simple. The difference is, men are simple and know it whereas women are actually simple as well but delude themselves into thinking they're complicated to avoid taking personal responsibility

[–]JorixKienu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He meant that women are simple if you learn to totally ignore what they say, you look only at what they do and you act as TRP teaches.

Men predictable, or to be exact men are exploitable by women, if they are not on TRP.

[–]verify_account points points [recovered]

80/20 rule is 95/5 on tinder

I'd say this is true for all of online dating. You have to be the fucking top of the top if you want to kill it on online dating.

[–]coolcat97 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I mean not really. I know I'm not a ten on attractive ness but i got laid real easy on tender.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SMV is normally distribute so the 95th percentile is about an 7.5/10

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE 70 points71 points  (12 children)

Average guy with bathroom selfies and a minuscule amount of biceps: He's only about sex, I'm not like that gross. Jacked chad at the beach drinking a beer looking away. Super hot. Is fuck him. What's hard to get. They're not talking about objective traits, but their own feelings.

[–]czechchequechecker 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Tinder is the dating world where even butterfaces get the hottest guys matched, only because only the smart men just swipe right on anything and do the selection after the matches, not before. So Ms. Butterface will never get laid, even tho she has hot matches. Unless the guy is a severe nymphomaniac or so desperate he would even fuck a goat, she would stand a chance.

Butterfaces like to live in a world where they can reject the majority and only accept the hottest of the hottest, so she can experience the mentality that only a truly hot girl can afford to have.

[–]PatsFever 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This guy gets it, easier to filter on the back end

[–]iamlivingalife 192 points193 points  (86 children)

I can not express how sad this whole subreddit makes me feel.

[–]Praecipuus 143 points144 points  (9 children)

That's one of the phases, yes.

[–]alphanivek 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Hehe learn the ways of the force padwan

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Just fyi, he's responding to a post wall asian woman. She's sad because she knows guys like us mean even fewer viable partners for women like her.

[–]NibblyPig 21 points22 points  (5 children)

I think it's the only phase, after a brief period of being angry/resentful.

It's fun to play chess against an equally skilled opponent, or against randomly skilled opponents some better and some worse. But when you know how your opponents think and exactly what moves they're going to do, it becomes very tedious.

The irony of TRP is that many people come here to get more dates and women, and if they're anything like me, end up not seeing the point anymore.

I just spend all my time lifting and improving my skills, for myself, basically unintentional monk mode because I can't stomach the idea of dating again knowing it's all a silly game and knowing all the rules to win, even if I am not the best at following them.

Edit: I'm gonna add that "just be yourself" was always an ideal I could never achieve, because you end up trying too hard, if nothing else the simple fact that TRP stops you trying hard to put on a façade of who you think you should be is probably the greatest thing about it. I've never been more certain of who I am now.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I think you eventually reach a stage where you feel like you are "enough".

I still date and get laid once in a while. If its been too long I hire an escort. Overall though, I'm not as worried about finding "the one" as I used to be. Women have kinda lost their charm.

[–]Docbear64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because so many of them are low quality. If the only value you have to me is that you know how to look good or suck my dick like a pro then you'll bore me at best after a while .

[–]TruthInArt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I have the problem of overanalysing everything and trying to be alpha and a leader. Not in the sense that I say it out loud and act like an asshole but I'll constantly be wondering if I was an alpha in a certain situation. I'm just so scared of being a beta bitch again y'know?

[–]hexaphenylbenzene points points [recovered]

This year I've been making an effort to understand viewpoints that I do not generally agree with. To that end, I have begun reading many of the, let's say, "highly polarized" subreddits, from both ends of the spectrum.

So I'd like to recommend you this: Read the posts of people you may not agree with, and try to see why they think the way they do. Here's the hard part: do not label people with a word: no "bigot," no "racist," no "cuck." Obviously watch for lies and peoples' misrepresentations, but when someone relays what they think, try to see why.

I don't usually comment in these communities, so mods feel free to ban me or delete my comment, as it's reasonable to feel threatened by someone who admittedly disagrees with you, however politely.

[–]segagaga 73 points74 points  (32 children)

Hes feeling sad because hes beginning to realise that what he is reading rings true. This is not a time to undermine the acceptance of a fundamental truth, that quite a lot of women do lie and especially lie to their potential suitors. Even more so on a meat-market like tinder, where their sense of self-validation is inflated. Young women mock men that are not in the top 5-20%, even though there is nothing fundamentally wrong with say the bulk of the bell curve of men. He needs to be sad, and he needs to read viewpoints that challenge that happy propaganda vision of modern women that is presented on TV and in the movies, because the sooner he can internalize it, the sooner he can start doing something about it.

Let the man grieve for the loss of childhood innocence.

[–]hexaphenylbenzene points points [recovered]

Thanks for your reasoned reply.

This subreddit is about, broadly, social psychology. I do not personally believe many of the "Fundamental truths" here, but the one you cite is reasonable, though it works to a similar degree with the genders reversed and "Conquests" instead of "suitor."

I also agree that the "propaganda version of modern women" is socially damaging, as is the male equivalent. Many here would probably disagree about exactly what that "propaganda" includes, but the idea generally would be found acceptable by most of the population.

The reason I broke my normal silence to "RedPill the RedPiller on RedPilling everything instead of just dating culture" was because of the loss of innocence is not something to grieve for, or be sad about. The loss of innocence is to be celebrated, because innocence stems from ignorance, and ignorance blinds you to the great darkness that abounds in this world. Without that darkness, you will never be able to truly appreciate all the light your wide open eyes can see.

[–]skylive2 points points [recovered]

I respect your choice to surround yourselves with viewpoints that contrast with your own. I feel I can empathise to a degree.

I hate a lot of the sentiments expressed here. I don't hate women. I think Trump is awful. I don't think there Muslims are coming to our countries to 'outbreed' us. I'm an extremely left-leaning individual and find this subreddit astoundingly distasteful at times.

But here's the kicker, the stuff they say about women is true. All the 'trp truths' as they call them are absolutely, 100% true.

Try catching your gf pulling a shit test on you, deal with it effortlessly and watch what she's like in bed later. Try going to the gym religiously and watch the interest from girls skyrocket, even those girls who say they don't like muscles. Try ignoring a girl you're seeing's messages - even when it's rude, hell, especially when it's rude - and watch how rather than be turned off she'll try that harder to contact you and spend time with you.

[–]Das_Gaus 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Man, that point about the gym. I've been a real fit dude since like 16. Never once have I heard "eeewwwww muscles". I do it for myself, everything else is just an awesome benefit.

[–]lazyrepublik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fit looks good on every kind of body.

[–]InfiniteAscent 3 points4 points  (4 children)

But here's the kicker, the stuff they say about women is true. All the 'trp truths' as they call them are absolutely, 100% true.

I'm still evaluating this. I agree that these are widespread, but I'm still not sure about AWALT. Certainly MWALT, but there is clearly a continuum. I wonder about certain couples, but then I don't know what goes on in their home. I know I never would have suspected my wife of these tendencies, but the more I learn, and the more stuff I try, the more I can see it's true. And if it's true for her it must be damn near universal. Oh, AWALT after all! I still don't think mine would ever branch swing though, but that's probably more of a psych issue that overrides a natural tendency.

[–]p3n1x 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I still don't think mine would ever branch swing though

If given a reason to, they all will in some fashion. A branch swing doesn't necessarily equate to a physical action. However, it is the physical action that men fear the most and put the most mental energy into.

[–]skylive2 points points [recovered]

I take issue with the term 'All Women Are Like That' although I understand it is catchy and useful. A more accurate version might be 'All Women Are Capable Of That'.

If you're armed with the TRP arsenal then you don't need to be too worried about your wife branch swinging. Keep passing shit tests, keep looking good and keep being a high SMV man and you'll be fine. TRP tends to overstate the chances of women cheating or branch swinging because most men here witnessed it because it's what drove them to this subreddit! Actually about half of marriages don't end in divorce and that's with the man having no TRP knowledge.

Don't be under any illusions though - gain 100lbs and become a supplicating beta and she'll be on the lookout for an upgrade.

Good luck on your journey.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There is no distinction between like and capable. Awalt doesn't mean all women are exactly like that. It means they are like that. They are capable of that and will do it- if you let them.

[–]hexaphenylbenzene points points [recovered]

Thanks for your reply and repsect for what I'm doing.

With regard to the kicker, it will be rather challenging to see in my own life. I live with my long term girlfriend, and we have worked hard to learn to communicate in a healthy way, meaning I have never really been "shit tested" by her. When one person asks that type of unfair question, it is always called out. Our sex life in an average week floats between "great" and "phenomenal" so changing from our current "communicate the problem" to "manipulate your partner because they shit tested you" seems unlikely to benefit that aspect of my relationship.

I already lift 3x weekly and bike regularly, so I am well aware of the difference your appearance makes in attraction of random people.

I have never used tinder, or chased after a girl on the internet, the height of technology when I was courting my current girlfriend was the text message. Regarding courting women over text, I remember feeling as though some women definitely responded better to waiting to reply. This we agree on, though as usual I feel it goes on in both genders to a greater degree than most here do.

It also seems fairly unlikely that "TRP truths" are all 100% veracious, or that they apply to all women. Approaching just from a social psychology standpoint, people think differently, and trying to put a person in a box built by your own preconceived notions and ideals is neither fair, nor productive until you have examined someone as an individual.

[–]ikkei 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Approaching just from a social psychology standpoint, people think differently, and trying to put a person in a box built by your own preconceived notions and ideals is neither fair, nor productive until you have examined someone as an individual.

This is usually very true, you could hear me say that about a number of topics (background in sociology and anthropology).

However, given french fries and salt, most people tend to use the latter to season the former. Not all, but... See what I'm saying?

In social studies there's no such thing as an absolute or a 'truth', but some aspects of human behavior as so damn close to be universal that we might as well call'em that. These commonalities are, imho, fascinating from an anthoropological standpoint btw. But let's not digress too much.

Now in the specific case of 'trp truths'. No more true than any social/sociological/psychological theory, obviously. But damn full of such commonalities. Things we pretty much all do or react to in the same way(s) [sometimes there are a few responses, but applying to many cultures]. (and this was absolutely counter-intuitive to me, I must admit I was biased the other way around when I discovered all of this, I was pretty much convinced it was BS and expecting to have my personal experience prove most of it wrong)

But here's the thing... I didn't. I anecdotically actually confirmed most of it. And realizing that it (mostly) applies to your own mother, to your most 'innocent' and 'angel-face' girl-friends (not couple, I mean simple friends, so you know things because they talk to you as a friend), and obviously the poster-cases out there... I mean we're in chips + salt territory as far as universality goes.

If I were to nuance all of this, I would say that many (may not be a majority, idk) women after 30-ish begin to realize all this somehow, and that they've so far been pretty much enslaved to their own impulses, and begin to add some real 'choice' to all that, and in doing so become more 'honest' about it. The kind of woman who will openly admit what she does and it's a take it or leave it situation. Think polyamory, libertinage, etc., and also conversely cases wherein libido ceases to be a driving factor for whatever reason. There is such a thing as honesty. As I always say for myself, "can't choose what you feel, but can choose what you do".

I also strongly believe that many women are not entirely aware of how men see these behaviors if they were to be known publicly, I think for many it's a matter of never really wondering about it and just doing like 'everyone else' (other women). Just like we, men, tend to mimic some other males behaviors without asking much questions about it, sometimes for a long time.

So it's not all just a lost cause. But there are strong forces at play here, of the unconscious kind (Jung might have a word or two about that, collectively), that should not be underestimated (much like hunger or fear can 'override' pretty much any personality trait; when survival kicks in, social norms be damned).

Also, biologically, adulthood is more like 25 y.o. for human beings. Not 18, not 21, years later (prefrontal cortex notably, which is damn crucial to decision-making and impulse control). Just sayin'. So to all red-pillers, don't expect anything less than sheer impulsive behavior before that age (you'd be judging biological children, regardless of what the law says about them), and then give it yet some more time to become something more resembling wisdom in your perception.

[–]hexaphenylbenzene points points [recovered]

This is all very interesting, thanks for your thoughts.

However, given french fries and salt, most people tend to use the latter to season the former.

I appreciate the analogy, and agree with the general sentiment, but where I diverge is the assumption that this idea has predictive power without individual interaction. The wholesale painting of a gender with a characteristic must be as broad and varied as the people of that gender to have any chance of being accurate. Where we seem to disagree most is the size of the standard deviations from TRP spec woman and TBP spec woman and the frequency of such deviation.

If I were to nuance all of this, I would say that many (may not be a majority, idk) women after 30-ish begin to realize all this somehow

So, for women, TRP can sometimes be organically replaced by emotional maturity and wisdom once they have a fully developed PFC? This is a viewpoint I haven't seen here, so I'd love to hear more.

[–]ZombieMushroom420 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I like that you surrounding yourself with varying, opposing viewpoints; it's very respectable, and clearly a lot of people here think that.

You saying to the mods 'feel free to ban me' shows how much of an echo-chamber we appear to be to people, but it's not that we are opposed to new ideas at all. It's that the tenets taught here are difficult to grasp at first. Men will always begin to slowly drift back into BP thinking (until RP is highly internalized) unless this community tells them "shut the fuck up, you're forgetting the truth."

Anyways I just wanted to say that you posting as an outsider is appreciated, and it led to some great discussion.

[–]ikkei 0 points1 point  (1 child)

where I diverge is the assumption that this idea has predictive power without individual interaction.

No, I do agree, no social theory has any predictive power about individuals.

Sociology =/= psychology. And even psychology is much too broad and fuzzy to predict anything. These are not sciences in the traditional, 'hard' meaning (e.g. conversely to physics), and I think we should all remember that (including and way beyond RP/BP: think politics, civilization, even biological processes that defy mechanical/systematic patterns). One can theorize but that's just a word, there's no theory in the mathematical sense. [no predictability => not science]

The wholesale painting of a gender with a characteristic must be as broad and varied as the people of that gender to have any chance of being accurate.

Aye, I always giggle when I hear broad categorization with a narrow criteria of the sort: "All chinese are <insert adjective>." What nonsense! Obviously there are cultural traits but how could it be that 1.4 billion people were all good at commerce or politically asleep or whatever? It's like calling french people dirty or american citizens dumb, or saying all africans are black. You can see in this last example a common flaw/bias in social opinions: we confuse conventions, choices we make (e.g. "what is Africa?") with the ontology we're trying to describe (e.g. "what is a black human being?") See how the former question may admit a perfect answer (mathematically: we create the abstract object/label "Africa", so we can define its limits) whereas the second is observation of reality and has no clear cut solution unless we create a fitting category whose criterias, again, we would get to define.

Apply that to TRP and see how it's again deceptively easy to first create a category and then place real-world objects into it (it just works...); see how it's never describing the real object but merely the categorization we made (tells as much or even more about the category-makers than the objects in and out of themselves, notably there's a phenomenon called "ethnocentricity" [1] that shows this well); see how nonetheless it informs reality insofar as we uncover commonalities and deviations.

My social sciences background tells me that to avoid bias we should strive to remain observers/thinkers (when we mean to judge as in this sub), as opposed to believing that our own categories and subjectivity is "truth". We strive to get closer to our truth, but let's not kid ourselves into believing that it's anything but an absolute.

Where we seem to disagree most is the size of the standard deviations from TRP spec woman and TBP spec woman and the frequency of such deviation.

I think I'm closer to you on this than the average TRP male reader. So far in this post we're deep into the ontology of social studies/ideas so let's get to the bottom of it.

A most capital element in studying individuals, whether individually (psychology etc.) or collectively (sociology etc.) is the account of time, i.e. observing the evolution over a long period, typically years. It's essential to most psychological diagnostics, and to most meaningful anthropological studies as well.

I feel that it's strikingly absent from most male-female discussions, as if these were only considering a snapshot of our personalities, stuck in time, and it would all just be ever the same regardless of age and one's own history. The reality of psychology is that you observe life trajectories, there's no such thing as a trigger without a vast pyramid of enablers (myriad of events, memories, experiences), it's all a continuity of steps.

Disease is a threshold, it's one of these conventions (see: DSM-V in the case of psychology) that we often confuse with the real objects. Not only do definitions change in time with culture (e.g. homosexuality temporarily defined as a disease during the last century) but one individual will evolve on the spectrum of any and actually all disease: we're just most often way below the threshold so we're not ill. Pathological is often defined inductively: "that which hampers one's normal life, that prevents normal functioning" or something like that. Even the 'best' of qualities can become detrimental when pushed to the extremes (e.g. generosity can become a disease if you harm yourself in the process, as many "orbiters" (BP men) find out the hard way). What's a personality trait is actually the basis for a given disease.

Humans love dichotomy, we can't get enough of it (see the polarization of, oh idk, pretty much everything these days?). It's a clear case of borderline pathology collectively ("black or white" world vision, insofar as it hinders progress/hapiness/solutions). So we tend to place things at both ends of a given spectrum, e.g. happiness <--> sadness, or in our case TBP <--> TRP. But that's not how life works. :)

You can be both happy and sad at the same time, sometimes even about the same thing. It's not because you're not happy that you're sad, conversely a lack of sadness isn't automatically a rise in happiness... Hapiness doesn't cancel sadness, nor does its lack enable anything; in actuality you'll often find yourself feeling the strongest emotions especially when they are conflicted, when there's a complex mix of pre-existing feelings (e.g. romantism a la Titanic, the sour taste of victory through nuking civilians). So, not two ends of a spectrum, but to each category its own spectrum ranging from say "0" to "maximum". You can be both happy and sad, one just one of these, or none.

Likewise, we tend to think that "the more red-pilled, the less blue-pilled". Or that being a beta orbiter means you're 0% alpha. Again, that's because we mostly consider snapshots, we evict the time dimension: consider one's actions over several years, then you may begin to characterize that person's "alphaness" or whatever. It's all very dependable on the context as well: beta-husband, alpha-engineer. You may think it's complex at that point but now remember that you never truly know what someone thinks or feels based on their behaviors and words: there are sad clowns. Happiness doesn't always show. An alpha stereotype might be making up for deep beta tendencies. A blue-pill swallower may be much aware of the red perspective but also have chosen to conform to BP metrics (because past life, present circumstances, future goals...)

Seeing TRP/TBP as two spectrums, admitting a disease threshold: mostly, society trains both genders to be high-BP'ers, and it can last until you get burned one too many times (this applies to women's desillusions about men as well, obviously); at which point you may open yourself to RP ideas etc. The "pathological" threshold, again, is when it hinders you, when you are not free anymore to choose how you want to behave (think social anxiety: it's pathological when e.g. you just can't talk to people even in shops, it restricts your freedom). The BP side is full of pathological behaviors (very low disease threshold) and quite spectactularly fails, en masse, at addressing most basic human social needs. The RP side is closer to a "sane" approach of human relations (arguably based on psychological knowledge and some philosophies such as stoicism), but it also gets very flawed very fast once you fall into any of the biases I mentioned in this post, or any of the hundreds others I can't even begin to list here. Your own life experience is a much better starting point to reflect on that, anyway.

Fundamental attribution error and the Semmelweis reflex [2] are such biases that literally plague these M/F discussions because it makes it so damn hard to work through arguments. Obvious problem: everyone speaks from their own perspective. No two individuals have the same life experience. No opinion can be entirely true for all others, only data matters and even that only tells very partial stories, indeed.

If this were a simple problem, we'd have a book that says everything about it and everyone including women would learn and teach that. But after thousands of years of civilization we still don't have that book. We'd practically need one different book for each "life period" and "kind of life" to suit everyone, it's a god's (or superior AI's) task at best.

(too long... to be continued in another reply)

[–]ikkei 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(continuation of my above parent post)

So, for women, TRP can sometimes be organically replaced by emotional maturity and wisdom once they have a fully developed PFC?

Based on everything I said I think it's obvious the answer to me is yes, among other reasons. It all depends on what she lived, her current circumstances. A fully developed PFC is just a means. The end game, in my view of psychology, is to develop as much freedom as possible: whatever you do, be 99.99% in accordance with oneself and as little obstructed or constrained by things that should otherwise be in our control (can't cross the street if there's traffic, but it's a shame if I can't even press the button because I'm unable/disabled). I've seen this change happen in the thirties usually. It also makes for much, much better sexual partners too in my own experience. :) But life is long and there are cycles, we can all go back to dick mode, e.g. mid-life 40-50-ish crisis. Again, no prediction, just a set of favorable circumstances that may allow two "sensible" beings to meet and share a bit of their journey on this earth.

That was long but hopefully shed light on my point of view.

I should probably end this by saying that imho we live in a very poor era as far as philosophical or psychological enlightenment is concerned, and that while totally out of grasp currently, the human species has proven times and times again over vast periods of time in many cultures that red-pilled societies do work, extraordinarily well in some cases, and are very much in line with what modern social sciences (psy, soc, even eco) seem to uncover. Surely big data can inform us someday on hard truths about human behaviors. Just knowing that, beyond education (think RP-based society, teaching children not to be hopelessly BP about life in general), it will take each individual's personal story to align with RP-behavior for it to become their chosen, subjective norm --so we might target a "mostly RP society", as in "mostly, people act in a RP manner", kind of mirroring the current BP situation. We might be in for a bunch of unexpected consequences we haven't really faced in several centuries though --social fun in perspective!

[1] Ethnocentricity: the idea that a given civilization/culture will judge others based on its own collective hierarchy of values (e.g. Europeans praising scientific progress, Asians praising self-awareness, etc.), therefore making it seem as though one's own culture is "superior" to others. It's basically rigging the game with cookie-cutter rules that you've been playing by for centuries: obviously you win. But was that the real game or just your perception?

[2] for a good list of all the mistakes we make when thinking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases (Social Biases apply well to our topic)

[–]tableman 0 points1 point  (4 children)

>Regarding courting women over text, I remember feeling as though some women definitely responded better to waiting to reply.

My older sister admitted this to me once when she was telling me about a guy she was dating.

[–]skylive2 points points [recovered]

Small tip: don't ask women for advice. Sometimes they will tell you the truth, sometimes they will lie. Read more.

[–]tableman 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I didn't ask her for advice.

[–]skylive2 points points [recovered]

Ok well I'll indulge your pedantry.

Don't rely on what any women tells you about dating and don't regurgitate what they say on a forum dedicated to telling people to not rely on what any women tells you about dating.

[–]NeoconnoissaurusRex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The​ problem is the truth in TRP is true of all adults. You're describing assholes, not women. And you'd still fuck those assholes if they were hot, but your surprised that they fuck hot asshole guys. The insistence that women are inherently separate and different, and the obsession with sex stems from ignorance and inexperience.

This whole post was about how shallow women are, and how they only care about looks. The first sentence in the second paragraph was

only one of them was attractive enough to bone

So what OP is saying is women are just like him, but that makes them bad.

That her offering to pay for half and some guy refusing is somehow her fault?

That women being unfit is gross, but men having to work out to attract a female is societal oppression.

How do you guys get over the blatant hypocrisy?

[–]9000sins -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Since this topic seems to be about challenging viewpoints and looking at the other side that you may not agree with, I'm going to challenge your notions of Muslims out breeding us.







Please read everything and watch the videos I posted, even if you do not agree. I know it might be hard but this is something all non-Muslims should know about Islam. It's not just a religion, it is also a political system. Once a country is majority Muslim that is when the real trouble starts. If you want more info please feel free to ask. I would also take a couple of hours to watch a documentary on the Islamic Caliphate and why ISIS wants to bring it back.

Now I am not saying all Muslims are doing this, but there are probably more than would ever admit it.

[–]Furell 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Muslims not coming to our countries to outbreed us, yet it's still happening and Erdogan basically ordered all the Turks, ie muslims to have 5 children instead of 3.

I'm sorry but you look like a girl hamstering away clear facts atm.

[–]1by1is3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dude Turks in Turkey are barely above replacement rates, what makes you think Turks outside Turkey are going to suddenly start producing 5 kids instead of 2 (not 3).

The only reason Muslims outbreed you is because Islam has not bent over backwards to appeal to feminists and has still retained ''patriarchy'' where males are considered the head of the household. No divorce rape laws either. In that society a woman gains respect by becoming a mother, not by working 9 to 5 as an admin assistant.

So yeah, stop hamstering away these facts.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Seeing that light is what the Red Pill strives for, but it is not usually discussed as such.

Seeing reality for what it is is literally how The Red Pill got it's name?

because of the loss of innocence is not something to grieve for, or be sad about. The loss of innocence is to be celebrated, because innocence stems from ignorance.

While that's a great notion, anecdotally, there are several not only predictable, but necessary phases a man will and must go through. Anger is one of them, and always occurs. Though it's certainly not the end result.

I think I'd like to see you rephrase your last paragraph to elaborate more.

though it works to a similar degree with the genders reversed and "Conquests" instead of "suitor."

The propaganda element (I prefer to say "social narrative") is that no one disagrees that guys are trying to fuck. In fact, it's in the national consciousness, and largely demonized by the narrative referred to early.

It comes into play where there is any question, or attempt at nuanced conversation, when it comes to women's habit. Culture finds that disgusting, and you must be shunned if that occurs. Like - for real.

[–]hexaphenylbenzene 1 point2 points  (1 child)

deleted What is this?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

First off, on both topics, I think you're looking at it from extremely idealistic lense that has no basis in reality. I don't say that confrontationally, I say that your arguments have been explored and it just does not map across to the results you mention.

I think The Matrix reference doesn't really go further than just "in the matrix, vs. out," but to your point, I don't think anyone really cares about "Smiths," and I can guarantee that no one here is trying to change/beat society because, to the previous comment, that's social suicide. Every time.

The phases are clear cut. You can read about the in the sidebar (and I recommend all that reading). It's such a loaded topic for men (which we cannot change) that in the beginning you are angry at society for lying and controlling you, and angry at yourself for being a chump. It really is a major gut punch. You accept it later and you're fine, if not happier.

I don't think there's any true "celebration," but happiness is attainable if you want it at later stages.

Law 38 of 50 Laws of Power (a must-read book here) is "Think as you like but behave like others," and it's the right play. Again, every time.

If you're interested in nuanced conversation (as we're having now, which I appreciate) you are a rare specimen indeed. Red Pill is absolutely found across all populations and all/most members of society. Everyone here believes this, and it's why they're here.

However, to say any(!) point that's talked about here will be met with disgust, and it's just not worth it. Really ever. We're not here to be martyrs or save people.

Hopefully this came across as helpful and not confrontational.

[–]Shaman6624 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What 'fundamental truths' do you disagree with and how has that worked out for you?

[–]HoffAmazing 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You're assuming it is a "he" and not a woman sad and realizing the ways of her people.

[–]segagaga 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True, but this is the internet, we are unlikely to be able to prove it either way. :/

[–]Thengine 11 points12 points  (1 child)

The truth is sometimes a hard pill to swallow. The truth can strip away the small comfortable lies people tell themselves. It's why there is such vitriol aimed at this sub, amongst others. That being said, some of these posts devolve into bashing instead of much needed introspection.

I wish that the mods here didn't take the approach of 'only our truth is the right truth, else get the banhammer'. But I understand it. Dealing with the unenlightened and trolls can be truly time consuming, and difficult to discern the wheat (people capable of learning as you suggest) from the chaff (those with perpetual closed minds).

Labeling is a way to be dismissive of alternative viewpoints, and is a very common ad hominem fallacy. We saw that with the presidential debates, in spades and trumps (pun intended). Unfortunately, it works.. on certain types of people.

[–]hexaphenylbenzene 10 points11 points  (0 children)

deleted What is this?

[–]Aaronindhouse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think most TRP posters would find your comment acceptable. Looking for the truth and understanding people(mostly women in this case and ourselves) is what this subreddit is about.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your openmindness is highly commended. Respect.

[–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This year I've been making an effort to understand viewpoints that I do not generally agree with.

Do this with EVERYTHING! Even if you do not agree after giving it some thought, you will have gained more experience and most important, understand your opponent. (Health, Social, Business, Women, etc...)

[–]cleverley1986 25 points26 points  (2 children)

the truth doesn't hurt for long

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

But it does froth up from time to time like a bad case of heartburn.

[–]chinawinsworlds 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not like the truth bothers me, but it is sad. The world could be so much better. But in the end, we are just animals. We are analysing humans, but we are also human ourselves. We are bound to feel something about what we find.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 8 points9 points  (0 children)

So when the truth of how women are is exposed, you've discovered how depressing they really are, eh?

[–]1empatheticapathetic 14 points15 points  (17 children)

Keep reading. Once you internalise it you become stronger, in all areas of life.

[–]marcospolos 1 point2 points  (16 children)

Or more closed-minded and autistic.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 17 points18 points  (15 children)

If one becomes more closed-minded and "autistic" (which is a very immature comment), then one is doing it wrong.

[–]twatbutters 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Good. Turn that sadness into humility and discipline. This is what you were missing out on your entire life as Chad got to ram multiple pussies for free growing up while you were busy wondering if that date went well. Just remember that nothing will change your life unless you put in the work. Hit up that gym, fix your diet, and focus on your career/studies. These are the only things that will make that frown go upside down... eventually.

[–]Five_Decades 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Same. You really can't win this game.

[–]Aaronindhouse 18 points19 points  (1 child)

The whole point of TRP is you CAN win man. The blue pill has you playing checkers in a game of chess. With TRP you see the game for what it really is and have the strategy to win what you can instead of just losing.

If you pedastalize women and seek the fairy tale girl, you will always lose. If you believe the lies of popular culture about women(that they want a good guy, someone who will love them and care for them), then you will lose. If you believe the lies about what attracts them, you will lose.

TRP is the truth. Knowing the truth frees you from the failing mindset of your before. Apply the strategies of attraction that are proven. Be a shiny bauble that they want to take home, because they don't give a shit about who you are outside of the shiny surface level bullshit you project.

[–]103342 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah, but you can still lose.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only winning move is not to play.

[–]1ozaku7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Now you are seeing the unedited pictures. What you used to see is photoshopped pictures with anything that you liked emphasized and shopped out what you didn't like.

You will get there, I've been there too.

[–]grewapair 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be honest, the truth really helps you in the end. First of all, women are just not that exciting, and sex isn't the only thing in the world. There are other things for you to invest your time in.

Once you see women for the parasites they really are, it's hard to get too excited about them. The last two dates, with wall approaching women, just bored me.

It's like if you wanted to be a dancer, and you worked and worked at learning it, and you could execute any move perfectly. But then you went for auditions and started seeing only guys over 6' tall being picked every time and you were 5'11. You'd be really hurt, but at least you could now stop wasting your time practicing for something that was never really going to materialize. Yes it would suck to have that dream denied, but that dream was never really going to happen. It just kept you obediently doing things that weren't really in your interest.

Chasing women opens you up to being used. When you stop chasing women, the power most people have over you disappears. You no longer need to earn enough to feed and house four people. Your job opportunities are much wider. Retire at 40? Entirely doable now. If you had wifed up some women who would divorce rape you like my mom did to my dad, who I look nothing like, by the way, all those options would be closed.

So it hurts, but the rest of life has just opened up to you. For me this happened years ago when I sat next to Chad at a bar, and got an education of what women were really like and what women were like to me.

[–]Ganaria_Gente 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some get sad

Some get mad

I get opportunistic. I at least have"solved" the so called mystery of women. It all clicks into place

[–]mighthavepenis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The use of masturbatory anecdote is egregious.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You reach acceptance eventually. Nothing here has made me sad or angry in at least a year. That probably means its time to move on; but I still see new things and good advice once in a while.

[–]yomo86 25 points26 points  (1 child)

| 80/20 rule is 95/5 on tinder

Yep. Second that.

[–]ransay3277 23 points24 points  (0 children)

If she says she is not that kind of girl... She is. Plus your first conclusion is pure gold and what guys here need to internalize. Forget what they say: watch what they do.

[–]sweetleef 55 points56 points  (2 children)

Money won't buy attraction

In your example, a dinner won't buy sex - because she's not starving and she can get another sucker to buy it tomorrow.

If the exact same boring guy had had a private jet waiting to take them to a mansion in the Bahamas, the result would've been much different.

[–]yomo86 37 points38 points  (1 child)

But money will buy you sex. Which is it all about. That's why the more cucked a nation is the more prostitution (legality aside) will be prosecuted.

$ 75 will get you starfish sex you would otherwise spent $200 in form of dinner dates with the possible option of sex with you girlfriend, on.

$ 150 will get you a humping sessions from an attractive pro player.

$ 750 will get you the girlfriend-experience for one weekend without the bitching with a solid ever-changing 8. Which is less than paying alimony.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Money will buy you sex but not genuine passion. If you want to get beta bucks sex the best bet is to lease professionals. If you want passion learn game, treat her like you think she is ridiculous, and fuck her like a cave man.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

They were shouting in the college library?

[–]Hyrkan[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That was a group work room, so rules were much less strict. I personally use it because I often have to make a call when I'm working on a project and don't feel like running in and out of the library.

[–]brando510 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You have to be the fucking top of the phases, yes. the truth doesn't bring much to the table.

[–]bcheng81 19 points20 points  (6 children)

And this, friends, is why attraction is non-negotiable. You can have all the money, all the talk, and all the walk of the world. Physical attraction is FIRST priority. If you don't look good to her, you won't even be given an opportunity to game her.

[–]Aaronindhouse 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Looks will always hold you back. But they hold you back the most in online dating because you have no way to compensate with other skills. There's very little you can do to get a woman's attention if she didn't find your profile shiny and purdy enough. The best you can do if you aren't super attractive is make yourself look like a rockstar.

[–]bcheng81 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think all dating sites should be filtered by attractiveness, with some people who should actually be completely banned from even having a dating profile. The cringe I read on these things is sometimes beyond me. Don't you notice that, the uglier the man is, the more beta the profile description? And these are the same subhuman saps who come and whine on TRP.

[–]Aaronindhouse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There is no need for a filter. The process filters itself. Women will never even remember these guys they next them so fast. Guys that are below average on looks on dating apps and sites probably don't last more than a week or two before they uninstall the app or never open it again on their phone.

The real problem is our society today. It creates chumps. Its sells lies and philosophies to men today that don't work.

Ugly men have as much to offer and more sometimes than an attractive guy. As men we have the advantage of being able to be more than the sum of our looks. We can become more through the fruits of our labor and hardship. The results of our study and practice.

Women have no such benefit. There is little use in a woman after 35-40. They have lost their looks and their ability to bear children. Even if they were the best lifelong partner you could find, they still can't have your child.

Society doesn't teach men today to value these things about themselves which is why so many betas exist. I don't think there has ever been a time in human history where males have had such low amounts of self respect for themselves. I would imagine this has a strong correlation with women losing more and more respect for men in the last 50 years or so as birth control has given them more agency to act on unfiltered desire.

Women have essentially been able to throw away the need to factor reliability and skill as prerequisites in their mating habits. Its only really an afterthought when they realize they are reaching a point where they HAVE to have babies and settle down or they wont be able to do it at all. Then a reliable and skilled man is needed so that someone can be there to take care of the kids and teach them the skills they need to succeed in life.

[–]Knives91 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I'm assuming that only holds true for the younger they are.

[–]bcheng81 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'm in my 30s and women my age are not any different than younger ones.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And that's what makes them even less attractive as they get older. They're supposed to fucking know better but they're still acting like tight bodied teenagers

[–]CuckFuckMcPuck 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's biological reality I guess, they are programmed to seek out the most value for their vagina.

[–]landon042 9 points10 points  (0 children)

good insight post haha thanks

[–]yomo86 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My gym buddy who was facially more gifted than me uses Tinder solely for sex. Any girl who wants a relationship is delusional about their own qualities. It became so twisted that they post on their profiles stories what to tell you parents about where you guys have met.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I must not be getting something here. What's the contradiction between not liking a guy because he seems to be all about sex (not what they're looking for in a guy, one assumes*) and being attracted to a different guy they see? You can't be attracted to anyone if you're not willing to have sex with everyone? I just don't get the throughline here.

*Or they're sort of "roleplaying" in the moment to fit in, shitting on guys who fit certain stereotypes because it can be kinda fun to cavalierly/meanly judge people like that. People of all genders do these kinds of things, of course.

Edit: corrected "contradictions" to singular.

[–]Hyrkan[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She was being resentful about people on tinder wanting to have sex. She claimed to be better than that, but the moment she saw a profile hot enough to fall for she stopped pretending to be a lady. How sudden the change was made the contradiction even more powerful to me.

[–]TyrannyVengeance 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are all that kind of girl is literally the number one thing you need to be aware of to have abundance mentality.

[–]domitius420 2 points3 points  (4 children)

What's the 80/20 (or 95/5 tinder) rule?

[–]LostLittleBoi -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

80% of guys have 20% of the sex that occurs, conversely, 20% of guys have 80% of the sex. One of the most basic tennents here, read sidebar please before clogging up forums with these basic questions.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He was just a lost little boi tho, go easy on him. He's learning.

[–]Monsterzz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

New here what is the 80/20 rule?

[–]Hyrkan[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)


Basically, 20% of high rank males fucks 80% of available women, leaving scraps for the rest of male population.

[–]Xeloda85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

fuckin hell this shit is so true

[–]JD-King 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cool story bro tell it again.

[–]spinalmemes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How can you be that oblivious to the dissonance between your own words and actions.

[–]SiulaGrande 0 points1 point  (0 children)

man the content at TRP is really starting to get watered down. i cant believe this is the top post for the day.

[–]TopKekSkye 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Good read, but I have one question

What's a butterface?

[–]brettfromtibet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A girl with an unpleasantly unattractive face. May or may not have OK body

[–]you_areso_goodlookin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everything looks good, but her face. Aka nice body only.

[–]elsanguango 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry im new here, what is 80/20 rule?

[–]itsawomensworld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The takeaway is never use tinder. All the girls who are online have no value.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just people being people, man.

I don't use Tinder, but I have had the chance to check how it works on some of my friends' phones. Dear Jesus Christ so many ugly women. So many try hards, so much vapidity.

The laughing and roasting was endless.

I would not feel bad or offended in the slightest if women are doing exactly the same on their tinder accounts. Let's be honest, tinder is like going a wholesale of supermarket discards where you buy ten kilos of shitty tomatoes wishing to get just a few good ones.

Maybe I'm getting old, but Tinder is a damn waste of time to me.

[–]SluggishPenguin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm new. What is the 80/20 rule?

[–]Mckallidon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those magic words usually mean first date anal and/or no condom.

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