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As soon as he sells his companies, his wife leaves and takes half the money. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by MaybeUT95

Quora question:

What did you do immediately after selling your company?

Answer by Kevin Kruse

"Got divorced and lost half the money. Well not immediately…

As soon as the deal closed I drove home, very excited, and asked my wife to log into our online banking account to confirm the wire transfer went through.

She sat in front of the laptop. I stood behind her, looking over her shoulder at the screen. That boot up sequence took forever (yeah, it was a Windows machine).

Finally, she logs in and clicks the account number and…there it is! A totally life changing amount of money. I feel happy, and relief, so much hard work and…

“Wow, I could leave you now, take half and never work another day the rest of my life,” she said flatly. And then she chuckled as if it were a joke.

Even as a joke I thought it was a weird thought for her to have in that moment. I chuckled.

Two weeks later she sat me down and said she feels disconnected in our marriage. We should go to a counselor to try to save things, but if we can’t fix it, we should split up while we’re still young enough to find someone else and get married again.

Six months later we were separated.

Six months after that we got divorced (yes, she got half plus alimony plus child support).

Six months after that she got engaged to the guitar player from church."


[–]420KUSHBUSH 926 points927 points  (198 children)

This is why I have trust issues.

[–]segagaga 343 points344 points  (134 children)

This is why ultimately all of us have had our eyes opened.

[–][deleted] 236 points237 points  (133 children)

This is why I legally make $1 a year and hold no assets.

Take charge of your assets so no one can take them from you.

[–]ronnoceel points points [recovered]

Do you have information on how someone could go about doing this?

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 469 points470 points  (68 children)

Tax lawyer here. PM me if you want to have a conversation about this. I teach free of charge.

Edit: alright, I'm getting a lot of PMs about this. I'll write up a post about trusts in a day or so.

Edit2: here are the links to Parts 1, 2, and 3. I'll have the final part up Friday evening.

Part 1 - https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/62hzco/tax_lawyer_here_what_is_a_trust/

Part 2 - https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/62i9n2/tax_lawyer_here_for_what_purposes_do_you_use_a/

Part 3 - https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/62igi3/tax_lawyer_here_trusts_marriage_trusts_divorce/

[–]skinnysandvs 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Holy shit please do. Thank you!

[–]-Universe- 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Please do, it will be a lot helpful. Thanks.

[–]Burlaczech 20 points21 points  (0 children)

post the link here so I wont miss it :-)

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Hell, do a webinar. I'll pay to watch.

[–]SwordfshII 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Yep, my parents have a trust set up. It is also good for avoiding inheritance/capital gains/estate/income tax which is why they have it.

Which is absurd if you think about it.... the money is taxed initially, then when your parent's die the government can somehow take 35-40% of the already taxed money simply because they transfer it to you?!?!

[–]JoeAsheville 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Federal estate tax exemption for 2017 is $5.45M before that scenario becomes an issue. If your family has that much (or more) in assets, then I have no doubt they know accountants and lawyers for wealth preservation methods. YMMV with state inheritance taxes, however...

[–]SwordfshII 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Capital Gains taxes are the main problem and what I was referring to. I was a bit off with the 35-40% though.

[–]beginner_ 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Interesting would be if someone here has knowledge about this stuff from other countries.

[–]nomansapenguin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Please post the link here. This would be amazing. Thank you

[–]Trooper_1868 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes please. Please post the link.

[–]SSolus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thanks alot, will be waiting on your post!

[–]BinaryResult 5 points6 points  (1 child)

also curious about this, will you post to this subreddit?

[–]isayimnothere 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Commenting to find you again.

[–]ArkAngelEV 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Please do and make it sidebar material. Of course, all disclaimers that its all theoritical and you're not representing us and whatever to save your skin, but that would be knowledge in GOLD.

I think all of us can agree with the sentiment; You've gotta learn how to protect yourself cause no one else will do it for you

[–]maxofreddit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Saving for later...thanks in advance for you knowledge

[–]mattizie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Commenting so I can search for your post later.

[–]thebrandedman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You now have my undivided attention.

[–]Xeagu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Commenting to get a follow up

[–]Seoul_Brother 4 points5 points  (0 children)

:) Commenting so I can get the update as well!

[–]stainedtopcat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Reminding myself so I can Learn about trusts

[–]honorocagan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

RemindMe! 48 hours

Come check out this helpful post

[–]AUAUA 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm just using bitcoin right now, any good ideas for untouchable money, I'm all ears.

[–]tacundavid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

RemindMe! 3 days "TRP Trusts"

[–]Battle-Scars 31 points32 points  (57 children)

Educate yourself, find a good CPA, find a good attorney, before you need either of them.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou points points [recovered]

Or just don't get married. How many times do we have to fucking say it?

[–]Battle-Scars 32 points33 points  (7 children)

There's a lot more people to protect your assets from than your wife.

[–]mattizie 23 points24 points  (6 children)

Not to mentiom common law.

Soon enough having a one night stand spend the night at yours will be enough. It's already only 6 months before you're considered defacto in Australia.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 12 points13 points  (5 children)

"It's already only 6 months before you're considered defacto in Australia."

You are shitting me. Is that 6 months of something serious like a pooled bank account? ... Or just 'shacking up' for 6 months binds your for life?

[–]MuleJuiceMcQuaid 26 points27 points  (2 children)

The clock starts when she leaves her toothbrush at your place.

[–]ronnoceel points points [recovered]

Moreso holding no assets. I'll be graduating school with pretty good pay soon and figure if there are ways I can protect myself financially from the beginning, I should do them right off the bat. You have links, or just topics to research myself?

[–]OriginUnknown points points [recovered]

I wouldn't get too excited about it. Perhaps it's possible on paper without attracting the IRS, but only a total jackass would go before a judge claiming to live on $1 a year. That is an excellent way to secure a very unfavorable outcome.

[–]Toussant 22 points23 points  (8 children)

He was probably not being literal. But basically, pays himself low bracket income for living essentials and does much of spending through the company, including housing.

[–]OriginUnknown points points [recovered]

And I would reiterate that judges are not stupid and don't care about your income avoidance strategies. If you live a six figure lifestyle and try to portray humble means when it comes time to pay your spouse, you're gonna have a bad time.

[–]alexclarkbarry 14 points15 points  (24 children)

put all of your money in Bitcoin, nobody can prove that you are the owner.

[–]steelerfaninperu 16 points17 points  (0 children)

It's not that simple. Bitcoin is on the radar.

Legally, if you want to be 100% compliant, you need to treat it like an asset or a stock, reporting your purchase price and your selling price.

Now, if you want to be completely in the dark you could not report it, and probably get away with it. But come selling time (let's say after your hypothetical divorce) all that income could raise some eyebrows.

If you stick to cash sales of BTC you'd be fine, but then you're looking at more legwork and less reliability.

[–]trp_dude 55 points56 points  (0 children)

This happens ALL the time. In Silicon valley,where billionaires are minted left and right, women are alway "taking the money and run" chorus over an over.

[–]beginner_ 50 points51 points  (5 children)

This is why you keep your finances to yourself.

This is why you should consult a financial professional if you are going to sell your company and rake in millions.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (4 children)

That's the thing. I have never understood people who reveal their finances to someone, especially a woman. Never cohabitate and never tell her how much money you have or make.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

A lot of guys do it to get the woman in the first place. It's not everything, but it sure doesn't hurt. BB still do get some sex, especially early on in the relationship, when she's trying to get commitment.

[–]LordThunderbolt 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Let's not even talk about joint bank accounts

[–]RedPillRobin 78 points79 points  (22 children)

I was completely ambushed by a woman who now gets $1386 a month from me. I was red pill aware at the time and while I knew we might split I never understood exactly how money hungry and coniving she could turn. Never again will I be that vulnerable.

[–]420KUSHBUSH 85 points86 points  (3 children)

And everyone calls us assholes and misogynistic for taking precautions. Society's a joke

[–]that_star_wars_guy 27 points28 points  (0 children)

It's simple. Discredit and paint as fringe those who are a threat to the system, and people who would have other wise believed your claims won't.

[–]DevilSaintDevil 29 points30 points  (6 children)

$5500/month here. It could be worse.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Instead of a college degree, I needed a pussy between my legs. Damn I came to this life totally unprepared.

[–]Docbear64 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Holy shit People talk about women getting Cash and prizes when they leave valuable men but that's ludicrous .

[–]coolred8611 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bro, may God bless you. I couldn't do it. Thank God at least you earn that much. That's fucking OD.

[–]TheFalseKnave 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Christ that's not much less than I earn in total in a month. How long do you have to keep paying her?

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah seriously. $1386 is a fuck ton of money to have to fork over each month.

[–]DevilSaintDevil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

20 years of marriage, 20 years of alimony. About a third of the total is child support that will end after 10 years.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Seconded. If you were redpill aware, you would have met with legal counsel, found out your obligations, and built a proper roadmap.

Red pill men don't get ambused, they are prepared for the worst. I'll bet you never had a fuck you fund either...

This is why you don't naval gaze over a bunch of 'fuck that chick' crybaby posts. learn AWALT, do the work to minimize damage

[–]verify_account points points [recovered]

a woman who now gets $1386 a month from me. I was red pill aware at the time

You can lie to yourself but you don't need to lie to us. You were not red pill aware or you would not be giving this woman your hard earned money.

[–]Gorech1ld 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This shit right here is why MGTOW is gaining popularity. When a woman can just up and leech off of you after marriage, it makes marriage and relationships in general a huge liability and gamble.

No, seriously, this LITERALLY makes marriage in general gamble. You wanna marry a "sweetheart"? Go ahead, but just be wary that one day she'll probably get tired of you and then divorce you and continue to leech off of you.

God, I swear this alimony shit is inhumane. It's so retarded as well in "feminist" society. Apparently women are equal, but need to leech off of men even after the marriage is over in order to keep up her standards of living.

[–]cbdexpert 33 points34 points  (6 children)

Kanye West taught me in 5th grade that you need a prenup.

[–]420KUSHBUSH 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Cute the bomb met her at a beauty salon

[–]Uzinero 5 points6 points  (2 children)

We want prenup, we want prenup!

[–]shsytwtsaggaan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Honestly, thank god for rap music. That shit is a big reason that I did t turn into a chump like most of my friends and classmates.

Its hard to turn into billy bluepill when 50 Cent reminds you every day that "theres no juliet for a romeo with no dough" or when Future drills into your head to "chase a check, never chase a bitch"

[–]yomo86 27 points28 points  (0 children)

This is why you are never to asume that you are the anomaly in the face of the odds

[–]SouthernFit 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The only trust issues you should have are your trusts offshore, incase of an event like this.

[–]JComposer84 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He should've put that money in a trust the second she said that.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is why I am never getting married. Don't want to put all the assets that I have worked to achieve, at risk through an agreement with not much upside.

[–]Ri8Order 14 points15 points  (16 children)

Oh and the foolish OP continues. Some people never learn.

Am I bitter? Nope. Life is too short to be stuck in a bad marriage, and she was right, it was a bad marriage. She just had the courage to call it.

Making money is WAY easier than finding love or happiness. But the next time I decide I’ve found the love of my life, a prenup will definitely be involved. ;-)

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

What an idiot. He should have said that he will never get married. Some people deserve to have money taken from them, I guess

[–]theONE843663 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Too bad he don't know that a prenup isn't worth the paper it is printed on.

[–]Fuknmods 369 points370 points  (40 children)

The only marriage material woman is the one who will stay with you knowing that you'll never marry her. Get a lawyer for children and to prevent common law marriage, cohabitate forever, win the game.

[–]Toussant 28 points29 points  (18 children)

Common law marriage can be avoided?

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (3 children)

In general, there is no Common Law marriage. Only a small minority of States have it, the UK doesn't, Australia effectively has, Europe doesn't, British Columbia has it bad (just a few months is enough).

[–]LordThunderbolt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Have her give a $1 check for rent every month. Make her sign an official lease. She'll legally be a tenant and can be evicted at any moment.

[–]Fuknmods 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Depends. In canada nope. In some states like MA you need to want to get married in order to get common lawd so its avoidable there. Do your research.

[–]imn0tg00d 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Don't live with them either... Live by your damned self!

[–]wsba910am 224 points225 points  (19 children)

Wow. With that severance pay, being a wife must be one of the most rewarding jobs of a lifetime. It appears that the legal system enforces black widow spider mores on men.

[–]spencerc25 98 points99 points  (17 children)

Until you can name one bad reason for women to marry, they will continue to do so. All upside, no downside.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 52 points53 points  (2 children)

They even have an upside on engagement. It's the 21st century, and women receive equal pay for the same jobs -- but still men are expected to plunk down a month's salary on a shiny bauble with no resale value.

[–]Unnormally 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Stick with lab created diamonds for the savings. Google says they're about half the cost. But your point is made nonetheless.

[–]test822 88 points89 points  (2 children)

“Wow, I could leave you now, take half and never work another day the rest of my life,”

haha yeah and I could murder you and bury you in the forest

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

both are crimes but one of them is actually LEGAL :/. Guess which one.

[–]xXx420VTECxXx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is why murder suicides happen :C

[–]gimme3strokes 190 points191 points  (10 children)

During my divorce I was fortunate enough to stumble upon the Colonel Quaritch meme "above your tomb" and it changed my view entirely. I handed over a check for 50k to my ex and drove away in a Camry. 5 years later I drive away with my kids in Jaguar. The 50k is gone, the marriage is dead, and her hope is gone(30 more years at a work a day job for her). I win, I lose, I move on. I explore, I create, I blaze new paths, I never stop. Whatever she gets it will only be a piece of what she could have had. Instead of being the main character in a great life she is no more than a foot note. That woman didn't create anything, she only stole things. My world is infinite and not limited to one situation, one woman, one company, one loss, one win. The sad part is that these types women can't imagine anything better than what is in front of their nose.

[–]alvlear 57 points58 points  (6 children)

did you hear the recent british story where a judge offered a woman more money 12 years after divorce, because she lost her previous settlement and was in distress? no?

[–]Amogh24 19 points20 points  (0 children)

That is ridiculously biased towards women, they don't have the right to that money

[–]Burrito_Capital 17 points18 points  (0 children)

A bit long for a mantra, but sound reasoning bub!

[–]jakeecio 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Perfectly laid out. Congrats and move on.

[–]HS-Thompson 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I've been in exactly the same situation and this is a perfect summary of the correct attitude to have. Sometimes I'm actual thankful that she helped temporarily ruin my life because starting from scratch is probably the reason I have twice as much now as I ever would have expected.

[–]ajbrooks192 114 points115 points  (37 children)

How the fuck is this part of our legal system? We have such complex laws for everything else. This makes me so fucking mad.

Serious though - what are the downsides to getting a prenup? Like how could a woman possibly say no to that and you still want to marry them?

[–]Klldarkness 137 points138 points  (20 children)

Biggest downside?

These days, judges can simply toss them out, and still give her half your shit.

They don't even need a reason. It's completely up to the judge whether or not to enforce the prenuptial agreement.

[–]kadykinns 68 points69 points  (11 children)

Is that true? How the hell can a judge make the decision to complete disregard a notarized, legally binding document?

[–]Klldarkness 119 points120 points  (7 children)

Plenty of reasons, honestly.

In the UK, unless you have atleast £7m in assets, the judges are advised to ignore the prenuptial agreement.

In America, anything that implies that it wasn't fairly written, or the woman claims she signed under duress(requiring no evidence, or explanation), will get it tossed out.

Ohhh! And my favorite:

Married for more than 5 years, or have more than 1 kid? Prenuptial agreement denied!

[–]mr-no-homo 87 points88 points  (5 children)

Smh. All these stories about a man doing his best in life, working his ass off for years, decades and then its ruined by some bitch makes me never want to get married.

[–]11-Eleven-11 53 points54 points  (3 children)

That's what I've been saying. It's not safe for men in western civilization to get married anymore.

[–]beginner_ 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Exactly. And why would you want to anyway? if you really, really need a ceremony for this (which is kind of beta anway) just do it unofficially, eg. not legally binding. You can still exchange rings and to the whole charade but without the legal issues.

[–]ImSquanchingInHere 14 points15 points  (1 child)

That's actually just as bad in some states. If you're in a state with common law marriage, like Texas, then that would be evidence of an informal marriage and you would still be subject to marital property division for community property (eg. your income from the date the informal marriage is deemed to have taken place).

[–]choomguy 27 points28 points  (0 children)

You would be a fool to unless she has a brighter financial future than you. Eg., the best marriages i see today are the ones where the woman is some type of high earner, usually medical field,but could be executive, lawyer, etc, and earns at a minimum, slightly more than the male. This frees the guy up to be passionate about manly work and hobbies, and as long as he is dominant, and understands red pill concepts, its easy to keep her attraction. It definitely helps if she is a notch pr two down the pole in smv, obviously.

So basically, yeah, get married, as long as it it clearly financially in your favor. Or live like a hermit and bank everything til you are in your thirties. You will have a nut that will allow you to pull chicks way over your head, pump and dump. By the time you start to have difficulty pulling attractive women, you will be sick of them. Its the circle of life the way it was meant to be.

[–]riztd 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Google it, you'll see lots of reasons including just 'not enough time between engagement, signing, and wedding'

[–]RealMikeHawk 45 points46 points  (3 children)

That isn't entirely true. An air tight prenup can't be overturned, but there are tons of loopholes a wife's attorney can exploit to get it overturned.

Divorce lawyers are not something to cheap out on. Thousands on a great lawyer will save you millions potentially.

[–]CacTye 22 points23 points  (1 child)

This needs to be higher up. A good prenup will be enforced, but she needs to be represented by independent counsel before she signs.

[–]SwordfshII 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Paid for BY her, from her own account

[–]dem_banka 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That shit about tossing out your pre-nup is half-true. This can only happen if the pre-nup is not set up correctly.

Source: Worked in Private Wealth Management

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Let's think about this:

Hey dude. I have this SHITTY business proposition for you. Sign this contract and you cannot enter into any agreements with any other parties (monogamy). Then if and when the business venture fails I'll take 50% of all your assets. And possibly your future assets earned AFTER the divorce. Furthermore, for any children you have during this relationship I'll get access to your gross income starting at 20% GROSS. By the way you will NOT get to take a tax break even though I took your money post-tax.

But as bad as the above deal sounds... Why don't you get this "protection contract" (prenup) which MIGHT hold up in court and it MIGHT mitigate your losses, but however will not supersede state or case law.

Doesn't the deal sound soooooo good? I mean, who wouldn't sign that contract?!

Just get a prenup bro!!! LOL Cuckolds.

[–]grewapair 41 points42 points  (7 children)

The idea is as follows. The woman gives up her career (hah!) to raise kids. When the kids are teens, she might go back to work part time after a long hiatus, but she probably isn't getting career track type work any more.

A few years later, divorce. She's financially fucked. Who will hire a 35 year old with no skills?

Meanwhile, the man can keep earning, as he's continued to advance all those years, building skills and generally becoming more valuable. He'll land on his feet, while his wife is financially fucked for life.

Obviously this doesn't really work in a lot of situations. But the law has taken away the judge's discretion to make sure no one feels like someone else got a better deal.

Don't shoot the messenger, I'd never get married - I'm not that stupid. And my mom couldn't have gotten a job had she not had kids, she's too scatterbrained, but she got to divorce rape my dad anyway.

But that's the general idea.

[–]ajbrooks192 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Does this still apply if the dad gives up work to take care of the children?

[–]grewapair 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Believe it or not, the laws are usually applied pretty evenly when the shoe is on the other foot. Higher earning women get divorce raped just like higher earning men. Of course, women don't usually marry lower earning men, I wonder why.

[–]theONE843663 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol damn bro next time Imma lead on a bitch and fall in love... Only to end it because she makes less than me. Hahaha I'd like to look at her fucking face at the exact moment of cognitive dissonance!

[–]Endorsed Contributorthelandofdreams 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who will hire a 35 year old with no skills?

There are a lot of jobs in my town that can't find enough people to do the work. But the work is hard and not glamourous.

Why can't the woman just go be a janitor? There are unskilled janitor positions in my town that pay 25k a year starting out.

[–]Peter_Principle_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Serious though - what are the downsides to getting a prenup?

It won't protect you from cs or alimony payments. I suspect it also won't protect you from loss of assets acquired after getting married.

[–]YiloMiannopoulos 13 points14 points  (4 children)

We need less laws. Everything that exists HAS to have a set of laws. See, Vaping, drones, divorce. Ect

Every gov involvement in life is shitty and unnecessary. Besides infrastructure and public utilities.

[–]beginner_ 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This will never go away. The whole point this exists is for the state to safe money. If the man doesn't pay, social wellfare costs for single-moms would explode. So the state needs the men to pay. Of course the disguise it as equality, feminism, fairness and so forth but it's about money and nothing else.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 47 points48 points  (22 children)

asked my wife to log into our online banking account

If this guy wasn't in BP fantasy land, he could have moved his money to an offshore account or a trust. I don't know why so many guys have a joint account as their main account. Aside from having enough for groceries and bills, joint accounts shouldn't have excess money in them.

[–]alvlear 31 points32 points  (5 children)

this is how bluepill betas think. i see plenty of them write cringey shit like: "we bought 2 acres in the country," "we planned on saving 30% of what we made." dude, how about you? the individuality is lost on the first waft of pussy.

[–]HorumOmnium points points [recovered]

A lot of people find it extremely rewarding and satisfying to experience and build something together. And many things that are out of reach when you're buy yourself become possible when you're with someone else.

My $400k income makes many things possible, but the $350k income of my wife opens up a lot of extra possibilities.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Exactly. The whole "my money is your money" bullshit is so cringeworthy, unless you are /u/HorumOmnium whose wife makes way more than him.

[–]KrylliKs 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Because he didn't even entertain the prospect that his wife may leave; protecting his money probably wasn't even a thought that entered his mind.

[–]grewapair 6 points7 points  (0 children)

TRP needs to put a ban on the word Trust. IT DOESN'T FUCKING PROTECT YOU FROM A DIVORCE.

There was a record of how much he got, because someone paid it. Where the money went right after is irrelevant. He had it, no judge is going to let him walk into court and claim it's gone.

[–]akatsukirp 55 points56 points  (7 children)

This guy had his wife checking his bank account. Never give anyone access to our knowledge of your assets.

[–]John_McFly 60 points61 points  (6 children)

My wife crapped herself when she saw my bank statements while I did our taxes one year, she wanted us to take all of my cash reserves and go on a 3 week vacation immediately. Nope, those reserves are exclusively for when my rental property needs a roof or HVAC.

She sulked for weeks. I learned my lesson and do our taxes while she's at work, we still don't have a joint account.

[–]e4tshit 17 points18 points  (3 children)

They're spending machines. I can't tell you how many times my ex would come home with some stupid "as seen on tv" garbage she got in the checkout at the CVS. It's less about the item and more about getting the dopamine from spending money. I'd be watching tv and she'd be next to me on her phone scrolling away trying to find even more ways to get me to spend money. Signing up for groupons, etsy, live shows/performances. Total compulsion like a crack head.

She'd keep talking over my show, "hey we should totally check this out..o hey we should do this" until I couldn't take it anymore and I'd snap. I'd remind her that we went from 50/50 with the bills to me just paying 100% because I got tired of the electric getting shut off because she didn't pay the bill. Who ignores the bills and blows the money on a bunch of cheep crap? Children. But hey, I yelled at her so now I'm the bad guy.

[–]John_McFly 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My wife wants a new minivan and another baby. Asking her to save the cost of daycare and a minivan payment every month so she could see what it would do to our finances (I pay for #1's daycare, my car, and all other household bills) seems to have been the equivalent of asking her to sell her body on the street.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Make all your money safe. Divorce just to break the financial ties. Stay together. Fantasy, huh?

[–]adolfsbff 94 points95 points  (19 children)

You should always pay cash for pussy cause it's the cheapest way to get it.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (6 children)

If it flies, floats or fucks - rent it

[–]Burlaczech 7 points8 points  (3 children)

not sure what to think about this one.

[–]theONE843663 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Don't think! Just listen to the words of men much wiser than you. Trust me on this one. I mean shit... You spend hours in tinder, approach 5 girls a day, and maybe get laid once a fucking week if your game is right and you looks maxed. If not, pfft...Mb once a month.

The time you spent you could have made more money and still fucked an escort. The best way is to approach 1 hot chick a day that moves you at the base DNA level....She's approaching HB10 status (in your eyes). Every day. Then if you don't get laid in 2 weeks, fuck an escort. Rinse and repeat!

[–]chadjugo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is probably the best way to Game if you're making 100k+ a year and single.

[–]theONE843663 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you make less 💰, just replace the expensive escort with a cheap ho you're still better off than wasting your efforts playing Mr.Entertainer for 2 bit skanks.

[–]rigbed 54 points55 points  (0 children)

And pay to have kids like Christian Ronaldo. Win win

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Even as a joke I thought it was a weird thought for her to have in that moment

Betas ignore their instincts.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

That's why it's important to have the "No body, No case" conversation with your spouse.

[–]D2nny36 4 points5 points  (3 children)

What's that? Pls explain for this eager 21 year old.

[–]Ecanonmics 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It means it's hard to prove murder if you go on a boating trip and dump her body in international waters with some cinder blocks. Oh she fell off in a storm.

[–]10xdada 95 points96 points  (11 children)

What's nice about her still being young is there is still lots of time to lose a child or get cancer.

But seriously, this is actually a happy story. It only cost him a few years and half his early life fortune, and now he has freedom and time he couldn't have had in marriage.

Never get married.

[–]n0oo7 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Does alimony scale with current income?

[–]hhamama66 points points [recovered]

I think the cunt can drag your ass back to court and renegotiate.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

an unlimited amount of times, and as you can guess negotiating UP is a lot easier for her than negotiating down is for you

[–]choomguy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yep. If your earning goes down, you are still on the hook, under the pretense that you have control over it. If you are commission, or own your own company you are really fucked. Arguably the guy did better because he sold the company. If he still owned it when the got the divorce, the likelihood is that it would have been valued alot higher, and whatever he took out in annual income would have worked against him too.

You have to wonder how theses laws came to exist, given that the vast majority of lawmakers were male when they were shaped. But the fact that the vast majority of lawmakers were also attorneys, is a giant fucking clue. Ive got two buddys who made out financially in their divorces. And everyone cried a bout how unfair it was and what losers they were for taking anything in the divorce. The double standard is disgusting.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've read about women who spent all of their divorce winnings so the judge increased alimony due to her not having any other money.

[–]riztd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No idea, but I imagine it doesn't, probably not even if you get hurt / can't work

[–]rp_tsukaisute 8 points9 points  (4 children)

It only cost him a few years and half his early life fortune

Nope--she took half, but Alimony + child support will use up the other half. If he uses or somehow loses that savings, he risks missing a payment & going to prison.

On the other hand, if he's incredibly lucky & hard working & starts making even more money, she'll go to court & raise the child support. In theory it works the other way around, if he finds himself unable to make money, but in practice it doesn't work out in family court (if you can even afford a lawyer at that point).

[–]mattizie 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Serious question. What's to stop him from running away to some other part of the world amd never coming back?

[–]rp_tsukaisute 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Never again seeing one's children, & having to live abroad as a fugitive for the rest of one's life.

That being said, the 'stay & work through the process' option contains the risk of finding yourself in prison should you not be able to make payments, or if you start to 'win' the divorce and your spouse decides to use all available means to 'get back' at you.

[–]FakeGuru 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Guys, here is my favourite story of this.

A few years ago, I was introduced to a friend of a female friend of mine.

She (the friend of my female friend) was very pleased with herself, because she had married a rich guy.

Or, to be precise, she had married the only grandson of a man with several hundred million pounds.

The old man had died and the grandson was the only one in line.His parents had died long before.

Now, the woman and her catch were both qualified professionals, but she was clearly out for his money.

So, I wasn't surprised when, a couple of years later, the wife started divorce proceedings.

She had played the game nicely.

Unfortunately for a her,the husband had all of his money in trust.

In fact, the wife was the higher earner. His solictors explained that they would be seeking maintenance from her.

At which point, the divorce proceedings ground to a halt

[–]farmtownte points points [recovered]

At which point he should continue given his trust in her has been completely evaporated

[–]nicetimeisback points points [recovered]

six month later he will read the sidebar of redpill rotfl

[–]Ganaria_Gente 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Actually on that quora thread, this guy is remarkably chill and almost forgiving.

A full on beta, hamstering so hard that he doesn't realize how thoroughly she's fucked him

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 60 points61 points  (9 children)

I'll take "Things That Aren't Funny" for $600, Alex.

[–]anon35202 points points [recovered]

Big picture, all else being equal, would you rather be you, or this guy? I think that 99.99% of people in America would switch roles with this guy, even with the loss of 60% of his money, the rest makes it okay.

He'll get over it. The other girl will get what's coming to her eventually. Evil isn't sustainable, being ethical is so much easier over the long haul. I'm not a spiritual nut, but I believe that what goes around comes around, what you push out into the universe comes back to you in ways you can't imagine.

It's a blessing in disguise. Hopefully kids weren't involved. And even if they were, so what, both parents are upper middle class. They'll be just fine. First world problems, both of these people just won the lottery and get a chance at being born again. The objective is to understand that people are Machiavellian psychopaths, and do not let it bog you down and don't take it out on the next guy who doesn't deserve it, move on with your life and make a positive contribution.

Lots of bellyaching from butt hurt betas. Take care of your business or you'll lose 60% of it, that's all I got out of this story.

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I hear what you're saying, but that sound like the Just-World Hypothesis. "Evil" is either the result of mental disease or a lack of empathy. Good and evil are merely an economic construct that entirely depends on your point of view.

As for this guy, it still sucks to go through this, regardless of how much money you have. While some may say "lol at least you still have stacks after the fact," some would argue that he lost more than any one else has lost in the same situation. It's all relative.

At the end of day, it fucking sucks to have gone through this. A man's ignorance and lack of preparation isn't something to laugh about. The point of this sub is to educate men, not laugh at their ignorance. We all were ignorant at some point in our lives.

Preach to improve and build the next generation of men. We shouldn't support faggots who put people down.

[–]Grimsterr 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Putting the money from the sale of a business into a personal/joint account is just dumb.

When I sold my business, I created a corporation, sold the business to that corporation for basically my next 5 years salary, to be paid once per year, then the corporation sold the business to the buyer. I never had that money as personal property and it never came near a joint or personal account.

Not because I was particularly worried about the old lady, but "alternative minimum tax" is a sumbitch.

[–]TangoZulu 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Yes but if you're a shareholder of the corporation you created then those shares are considered assets of the marriage. They would simply force you to do a valuation of the corporation and she would be entitled to half of that value. Since the corporation sold the business to the buyer, the corporation holds the cash and she is entitled to half the value of the corporation (assuming you're 100% shareholder).

[–]1OneRedSock 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The best part of his post:

and she was right, it was a bad marriage. She just had the courage to call it.

God, there are so many courageous women these days; how do they find the time? It's crazy how their courage seems to multiply the further the decimal point moves to the right.

BP guys who remain BP after getting divorce raped must be suffering some form of Stockholm Syndrome.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I knew someone this happened to. "You don't need to keep working, you could retire. Liquidise your assets... sell your company." He did. She instantly divorced him.

If you weren't married, you'd still have control. Your attraction would go up, her desire for you would go up. The money wouldn't immediately be her money. Sure, she'd angle for a new car and suggest you live in a larger house but she'd not instantly think "wow, that's half mine, and I don't even need this guy".

DO NOT MARRY

[–]spencerc25 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is why seeing the Matrix (finding TRP) will never let you go back.

[–]XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 34 points35 points  (5 children)

Why would you ever get married? If I ever got married I would never sign anything

[–]ql3 points points [recovered]

I'm a lawyer. Never sign anything. Never click Accept. Never fucking affirm anything. If they want you to accept, it's because it benefits them.

[–]Praecipuus 19 points20 points  (0 children)

If they want you to accept, it's because it benefits them.

Well, there's a quote for life.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (2 children)

It's amazing how this did not click with me the first few hundred times I read about it. Then it clicked. It's important these stories keep getting posted. There's many like me who don't step into the light until after reading many, many related posts. I'll admit I was slow to finally seeing this as it is.

[–]enkae7317 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Never give your girl knowledge of how much money you have in your bank account.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (6 children)

I'm so immune to the wickedness of women that I'm much more interested in hearing the guitar players story.

That motherfucker has game!

We can learn from him

[–]d0lphinsex 5 points6 points  (3 children)

A guy who plays the guitar and lives with his mom. The end.

[–]SpartiGaz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Is it just me, or does it seem like getting half AND alimony AND child support is like double dipping? They should have to choose, either you get half, or you get alimony and child support, not both.

[–]Gioware 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That shit was planned so waaaay ahead

[–]sazzmflazm[🍰] 18 points19 points  (3 children)

This is why I only marry rich women.

[–]thebluepool 24 points25 points  (2 children)

There are no rich women, only girls with rich daddies.

[–]chinawinsworlds 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Mostly true, most rich women have inherited or divorce raped some bloke. But money is money...

[–]Internol 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Op furthur states "Its a crazy system. Assets and income are considered separate. Even though I quit after I sold the company, they calc the POTENTIAL earning of each person. My MBA wife hadn’t worked in 5 years so they calc’d her potential income to be $0, and I was making well into the six figures. From judge’s view point, it’s my choice not to go out and make all that money again. So my salary minus her $0 divide by two and that’s what I had to come up with — out of my assets. Weird."

I would go insane having gone through this. It seems like she had been planning this for some time. Surely being unemployed for that long should have raised serious red flags.

[–]ZenplusZen 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Prenups should be mandatory at this point.

[–]beginner_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She was obviously fucking the guitar player already 1.5 year ago. All she needed was the money. Of course his mistake was to marry but still in the end the guy is still better of with the divorce than wasting his life with a bitter, cheating wife.

[–]Penguin327 5 points6 points  (1 child)

How much do you want to bet that she has a n count of 10+? Too much experience ruins a woman.

[–]Ovadox 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you are expecting a divorce in six months to a year, what is the legality of developing a "cocaine addiction". Whereby you start withdrawing a lot of money and hiding it somewhere, all while staying out late. Maybe come home smelling of cigs and beer. Acting erratic. If she's going to divorce anyway drug addiction gives her an easy reason but also gives an easy excuse for you to hide cash. Once she leaves go to narc anon or a cheap outpatient rehab to give more credibility.

[–]Kinote_42 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's because of stories like this I don't feel like we are getting the full story behind cases that deal with husbands strangling their wives to death.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why men continue to get married in the 21st century is beyond me.

The deal really can't be any worse.

[–]McLarenX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Never reveal your money to a woman no matter how "close" you think you are. This is common sense .

[–]GreatSmithanon 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Yeah this kind of shit is why in most cases the emotional connection of a relationship just isn't worth the hassle.

[–]PlsSendMeSomeNudes points points [recovered]

Fuck that mate, you can still have a connection with your girl and "love" her, you just have to he sensible about it by not getting married, not giving her access to your money and continuing to game her throughout your relationship. Sometimes having one girl you genuinely like around is much better than multiple girls you don't care about.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (10 children)

Moral of the story, be the guy from church with the guitar.

[–]waslookoutforchris 24 points25 points  (7 children)

Or, you know, be the guy who sold his business for big bucks and just don't get married.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Alpha Fucks... Beta Bucks... she was probably fucking the guitar dude the whole time. Hope the subject of the story finds TRP and bangs his way from sea to shinning sea and never gets married again. but he will probably fall for the beta trap again and lose half his shit.

[–]OneU 19 points20 points  (5 children)

At the end of the day the guitar player is still some random dude fucking a lazy bitch and the other guy is a successful man. Being the one fucking the bitch does not change that.

[–]jakeecio 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Genau. Don't be the guitar guy.

[–]thefightingfirst 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Not so fast. The guitar guy now owns 50% of everything the evil wife got.

[–]mattizie 5 points6 points  (1 child)

She's not that stupid.

She just stole 50%. Do you think there's even the slightest chance that she isn't being almost paranoid that someone else will steal it from her?

[–]AntwanAntoon points points [recovered]

Be the guy who sold his business and kept all the money.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (2 children)

That is why you must choose wisely. It has to be about way more than looks. Sometimes the girl who isn't as pretty, and doesnt have the phat ass, and doesnt have the wild ass and thigh plastered all over Facebook are the best ones. Guarantee his wife was some dolled up blonde skank, or one of these low level models out here that have gold digger immigrant mothers that teach their little shitbag bimbo daughters how to get a sucker ass mother fucker to commit.

However the guy might have been a terrible husband as well. Who knows.......

[–]thebluepool 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Doesn't matter if he was terrible, he worked for that money. His success was his alone. This woman stole it from him.

[–]abbafishhead 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That is why you must choose wisely.

I'm surprised this wasn't downvoted more. AWALT, damn it.

[–]wilfa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you are a TRP, why get married?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know a married guy whose wife left him after he inherited substantial money from his parents. She got half the money in the divorce.

They were engaged longer than they were married ...

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

My mum is a smart women. She's not leaving me any money when she dies, instead she's leaving me the family trust fund. It means I can pull money out for things like a house, business or car loan.

The best thing is in a divorce, the women can't touch a cent.

[–]budguy68 3 points4 points  (0 children)

fuck that stupid cunt. i wouldn't let that happened to me.

[–]-IIIII--------IIIII- points points [recovered]

Wait... what kind of Chad is a guitar player from Church? Don't they sing cheesy Christian rock songs or something? Or is it a general guitar playing douche who she just happened to meet there?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I bet that guitar player from the church is wild in the sack.

Quora is a haven for dummy's, or so I've found.

You get questions on there like "Why is water wet?" and "Can I survive dying?"

Nice spot OP - keep yo money to yo-self.

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