a.k.a. The last 3 COLD openers that got me laid; and the NEW, BEST way to think about initiating conversation with girls you don't yet know.
- Eye fucking
- “I fucked your mother"
- “There has been a complaint"
(Dont judge me for posting on a Friday night; I fucked up my leg)
At the end of this post I will teach you why this works and how I approach chatting up girls at night/evening (different to day game). You will see that much of it is about creating opportunities for women to shit test you by baiting them. Then you demonstrate total frame control and build attraction.
This is a natural application and continuation of the top post of all time on theredpill - "37 warlord tips for frame control". I reread that post about a dozen times after I saw it come out as it DEEPLY resonated with me. I thought about all the times I was given an unbelievable amount of shit by a girl, remained stoic, and then she was instantly DTF. It AMAZED me when that happened, but I never figured it out - sure maybe she should have seen me as stronger emotionally or whatever, sure, but why did it make her panties so wet that I could take her into a bedroom and fuck her within 10 seconds!? At 2pm with a girl I had never even kissed before?!. NONE of that had been explained properly before in PUA and redpill. I thought shittests just were like fitness tests, or DHVing about your life experiences and job and network. But THAT post hit me like a sledgehammer: beating frame-tests builds actual sexual attraction in that moment!
I ALREADY knew that a girl giving you Shit-tests was a GREAT thing. As it lets you to show off. But how can I effortlessly force or bait a woman I dont know to shit-test me, when I am in control of the conversation (because I am opening or alpha)? For some GODDAMN reason nobody here, or any other place has been PROPERLY talking about this.
Before we go on note that: SHIT TESTS are just a SUBSET of the greater realm of FRAME TESTS.
I had already learnt subconsciously that telling boldfaced lies to women and maintaining frame enabled me to hookup with attractive women at parties, bars and clubs. At university I mostly used social circle game as I was popular, but all of the successful ONS and impromptu hookups were nights when I felt I was 'on fire'. After much self-analysis I realised that I was often bullshitting the girls and playing games, making up stories that they couldnt quite tell were true or false. I realised that this was delicious bait for them to shittest me. And by staying 'in character' I was showing them a lot of frame control. They loved my frame and so did their friends. They love trying to figure out why I was doing what I was doing and what was true and what wasnt.
"Finally an interesting guy here to talk to" they will think. Even better, they can tell their friends about whatever ridiculous interaction they just had. So even if you are a cunt they get to go up to their friends and tell them what a cunt you just were, and they get attention from their friends. Its exciting for them.
Before we go on note that I am 6'0 tall, white, decent face, nice hair, wear a leather jacket and smart trousers, and was kind of skinny up until a year ago and now I am average but growing, in my 20s, about 70 notches now. Thats all they ever know as I dont talk about my job or work with them.
This is only partially to do with frame control but its how I often start things. These days I eye-fuck girls all the time. They sometimes look up, sometimes down, sometimes to the side and sometimes they maintain a constant stare. I always make sure that any cute girl sees me looking at her. I’m decent looking so its never creepy. Sorry uglets.
When they give a constant stare, and don’t turn away, they are basically DTF, I just have to game them a little and qualify them.
I like these stare-downs as they let me scope out a whole bar, get a feel for the place, who might be available, and how shy/outgoing/bitchy they will be. Its also great as you dont need to leave your group of friends.
I did it two weekends ago to a girl on the other side of a busy bar. 8/10 blonde. We stared for about 6 seconds. I then winked and pouted. She then turned to her friend and pointed to me while smiling. I then did a ‘come hither’ hand signal. She raised her eyebrows as if to say ‘no you come here’. I then made a kiss face and tapped me neck, telling her to come over and kiss me on the cheek/neck. I also did a watch-tapping motion showing she had a timeline to do it in. I continued to talking to my friends who didn’t see any of this, and she came over and kissed me intimately on the neck. They were all taken back. We chatted and I get push/pulling her and making her jump through jumps and qualifying. Got her number because it was only 6pm and I had to go to a birthday dinner. Slept with her the next day.
Remember that the person to look away first is always the loser. And if you ever give a look like “wtf are you looking at” what I do is some silly shoulder jiggle and a head flick (non-gay looking) with a deadpan face - it always gets some sort of laugh, but if it didn’t then she would just be stuck-up and boring anyway. And your frame is just that you are 'fucking with her'.
I fucked your mother
On a cruise ship 3 weeks ago I was in a nightclub/bar. Didn’t know anyone and danced with lots of people. At one point I took some princess crown a girl was wearing and eventually she got it back. I talked to her later and asked “Who are you here with?” and she said her mother and grandmother.
I said “wait what is your mothers name?!” and she said “XXXX” then I said “yeah, yeah I know her” . She said “what?! how?” and I said “We were hanging out earlier at XXX; she has shorter hair than you right?” (thats a cold reading trick btw). Girls says “what?” and is puzzled and I say “Yeah then, you know, one thing just lead to another I guess”. Girl says “what?” and is still puzzled but laughs. Then I say she needs to pick up her necklace she left in my room.
I’ve used this before lots and lots of times. It works really well especially on younger women for some reason. It allows you total frame control, very very easily. So many options and ways to hit her. “You are acting just like your mother right now”, “actually she provides my emotional needs and I provide her sexual needs”, “I do a lot of exercise but she leaves me out of breath”.
- Its very easy to have sexual conversations as it has the pre-tense that you are only mocking the girl and not trying to make sex the subject.
- Its very easy to get them to open up about their family. (After all you know one of them intimately!)
- It gives you a solid frame very very easily. Make sure you never back down and say “I’m joking” or even change your story. If you do then its all over.
- Advanced: She will actually subconsciously try to Frame Test your story and try to force you to make contradictions.
- If she asks you specifics that will prove you are telling a lie then give a vague answer that can be true. e.g. “What does she look like?” “she looks like you but with a kinder heart”. “OK but what distinguishing features does she have?” “she has a mole next to her labia”. “OK but how tall is she?” “We are all the same height when we are lying down on a bed"
- Its cocky/arrogant
- It lets you display Fake Weaknesses - “she breaks my heart when she doesn’t let me stay over"
- You can get the girl to think about her relationships and she will feel like its been a deep conversation, while it also has been light hearted.
I had sex with her that night and the next night. She was a 9/10 20 year old blonde bombshell and she was a stripper part-time to pay her way through college. So she knew some top tier shit-tests herself. “I fucked your mother" blew her out the water. She also had a boyfriend back home and had to try to explain to her mum (who thinks she is a virgin or something) where she was for 4 hours both nights. So we overcame a LOT of logistics including having to have sex in a hot tub because neither of us had a free room. That only happens if she is attracted!
I kept using that frame the entire two days too. Never surrender a good frame.
“There has been a complaint"
I eye-fucked a girl from across the pub on Saturday. We held contact for a while. She then give me this hand gesture and I laughed: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AaJfuG0Rhq4/hqdefault.jpg
I go up to the bar and order a drink, hoping she will leave her friends and orbit near me. She doesn’t. I walk to her table of (3 girls and a guy in the corner) and put my drink down. Stay standing mostly. Place both palms face down on table and say in deep stern voice “I’m afraid there has been a complaint”. Pause, look each of them in the eye. Mostly ignore the eye-fuck girl though. They assume its a noise complaint because they were singing just before I came to them. But I’m not dressed like an employee either.
One of them says “Sorrrrrrry”. I say “its not so much the noise really its the lack of talent”. They laugh a little amongst each other. BTW all of this is deadpan, always. Only smile or laugh when the impress you with something funny or genuinely smart. Reward kindness a little but sparingly. I criticise them all individually. Each of them was a different barn yard animal. I ask the others “do she always sound like pig or is she trying to fit in with the rest of you?” and they join in a bit. The ones who join in most get praise for siding with me.
So that sounds no different to a classic PUA opener right? BIG MISTAKE. There are several key bits that PUAs do different. A PUA will try and be COCKY-FUNNY and tease and be smiling and laughing with the group. But this is WEAK FRAME as laughing with the jokes shows that you are not seriously testing them. My frame (I didn't realise it at the time) was I was basically Simon Cowell or some strict talent show judge. And I was ripping into them. I even told them that I wasn't laughing. I created a Frame that they will remember and be able to talk about with their housemates over breakfast. They tried to diffuse the Frame by laughing it off, but I force them back in. And they'll never make it in showbiz unless they shape-up and get serious, I told them.
I then invite the group over to meet my 12 friends and they do. Then I isolate the eye-fuck girl to another corner of the bar and do lots of touchy and push-pull stuff. Eventually they come to a party and I sleep with eye-fuck girl. Its very easy as I have total social proof from her friends. The whole thing lasted maybe an hour. And she is hotter than anyone I could get on Tinder. And this was way more fun - its a skill and muscle you develop.
Conclusions and Notes
- Tell blatant lies that you both know are not true, let the girl try and catch you out, but always defeat her. I think there is some Dark Triad element to this. Its also social savvy / creativity / intelligence fitness test.
- Play some kind of character. Like a salesperson or a coach.
- Always flip the script when she says something reasonable. Always be attacking back and pointing out how she is being ridiculous (she isnt).
- literally attack women verbally (hot women, not low self-esteem women)
- Once you have rapport try to categorise women. Figure out new ways of modelling their friendships and personalities.
- Have a small arsenal of strong frames prepared, in case you have nothing original. “I fucked your mum”. “Im actually a chiropractor” is one i use a lot. I check their back by massaging spine and then tell them there are all sorts of problems, they don’t have long left to live. A good frame allows an excuse for touching. I talk about my career as a "sugar baby" and a "garbageman".
- Another frame is “Wow you are all over me” after I was very forward, pulled her in, kissed her cheek and hugged her - then I push her away while saying it. This sets the frame that she was the forward one and not me. Then she can argue with me but I just will keep denying. If she gives up then YOU win the frame. You can always 'steal touches' with a good frame.
- If you think some of this is too harsh or forward then just remember: she always has the option to walk (or run, if you are a real creep) away. Or to genuinely tell you off if you do cross a boundary (happened once to me) and then you can instantly turn genuine,look square in the eye, apologise, express what your intent was and how you got it wrong, then walk away.
- A good frame makes her think 'you cant just do that!' or 'thats unfair!' or 'you are ridiculous!'.
- Setting up these Fake Frames makes you ANTIFRAGILE. If you are a honest and boring then your woman wants to shittest you or start an argument then she will attack something that actually matters. By having bait set up she will attack your honeytraps. She will get to feel your masculine stoicness. And she will not turn into a bitch, because she was being reasonable - you were the asshole. And you will have a feminine female partner and a masculine asshole male partner.
- Public places will become seriously fun.
- YOU can be one of the 3% of people who actually approach strangers, and YOU can be one of the top 10% within that group who actually are exciting.