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Blue Pill ExampleGuy who used to be one of my best friends is in the final stage of his destruction (self.TheRedPill)

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My friend Joe was in my close friend group in high school and the beginning of college. Good looking dude, never had many issues with girls. In fact, he was dating a smoke show, who was one of the coolest girls ever. Then they broke up and he met another girl a couple years ago. This girl is five years older than he is. I only met her once, but I noticed that she was a grade A bitch. She kept on harping on the fact that she was older than me and our friends and therefore was smarter and better than us. At the time we were 21 and she was 25. Joe was in school getting his engineering degree, and she was working a minimum wage job. I'm usually willing to give people a chance and never really immediately dislike people, but I hated this girl within five minutes of meeting her.

Fast forward to now. We're 23 and she is 27. Joe has been off the grid the past couple of years and never hung out with us in that period of time. All of a sudden a few months ago he announces he's moving to Colorado with this girl. He was dropping out of school because she wanted him to move away with her. He never got his degree because she told him they would have a better life together out there. (Keep in mind we're from New York so this is a big leap for him). Long story short the only job he can get is working for some construction company for a shitty wage compared to what he could have gotten as an engineer in NY. Her job? I shit you not she gets paid to spin hoola hoops at EDM festivals. As absolutely everyone here would have guessed, she has cheated on him multiple times. He pays the rent with the little money he gets at his shitty job. Now he can't afford to move back to NY and is living with a manipulative psycho who lives at EDM festivals. To top it all off she has gained about 30 pounds since I last saw her. A good man who had it all together now on the verge of losing all of his potential, if it even exists anymore. All we can do is watch his life collapse before our eyes like a car crash you can't look away from. He'd honestly be better off just ditching her and hitch hiking back to NY to live with his parents and start over. But there's no getting that through to him. There's nothing we can say to him without him wrapping himself up in his denial claiming "we're working it out" and "it will get better". If I was him would have pulled the rip cord as soon as she even started acting like a cunt to my friends, let alone suggest I drop out of school and move to Colorado and work a minimum wage job to support her whoring it up at modern day woodstock. Guys that fall into this trap can only learn the hard way, but for his sake I'm hoping he does while he's still young.

UPDATE: multiple friends have talked to him. He's doesn't seem happy but at the same time he's very reluctant to come home. He's convinced it will work out and he will eventually be happy. Guess we gotta just let the clock wind down.


[–]MethodicalRedman 270 points271 points  (15 children)

In my experience, girls who spin hoola hoops at EDM events are absolutely fantastic in bed. Why? practice, practice practice. The hoola hoops help for sure but most likely its the DJ dick, VIP room schlongs, and the production manager peen. If you want to help your friend a shocking wake up would be the way. Next festival/event make sure he goes and she doesn't know. Have him observe what he's giving up his life for.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 104 points105 points  (6 children)

Sounds like the type of guy to hamster it away unless he sees it. And then he'll forgive her.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (5 children)

Like the other 90% of the population lmao

[–]1empatheticapathetic 36 points37 points  (4 children)

In my experience, hardcore BPers are the minority, not the majority.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Agreed most people have some BP and some RP in them.

[–]yomo86 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I dissent. Most are BP and the last shred of red is washed away as the years go by.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I said hardcore BP. Most people I know have some level of common sense and self respect to not do the shit the guy in the OP did.

[–]Mckallidon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. I just argued this another comment on another post. It's a false perception from the media to not only playbto female egos, but to demoralize the people and make us compliant to debasing our standards.

[–]Mckallidon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Make sure to wear a condom that covers your balls and inner thighs lol.

[–]PolishHypocrisy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Next festival/event make sure he goes and she doesn't know. Have him observe what he's giving up his life for.

Next level advice right here, take this to heart and use it. He will have to see what everyone else just happens to see...

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'll second the hula girls. They're my favorite kind of slut.

[–]reiduh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–]Luckyluke23 7 points8 points  (1 child)

man i hate the edm music they are putting out these days but god dam i need to get my ass to one of these events

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (6 children)

I'm kind of disappointed on the responses you've received so far.

Society has failed us as men. If we aren't going to mentor, support or look out for each other who will?

I know you said you have talked to him about this. However, I think you need to get some of his closest friends/family and have a formal "intervention" ( in quotation because I don't mean something overly dramatic ). Sit down and really talk with him about his expectations, future, etc. It sounds like he has already thrown away so much. He is blinded and honestly if he continues this path he may end his life God forbid.

Obviously there is only so much you can do. The choice has to be his. But please if you think he is still within saving at least try.

I really liked what someone else said. If he makes the decision to go with her, distance yourself. But, if he ever wants an out, be there for him. No questions asked, no judgement. Don't treat him like a kid or pity him. Just be there.

This sounds like a disaster for him.

[–]AncientScrolls 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Its worth giving a shot and trying to help him this way however i wont put my hopes to high on his parents. The problem is some people have too much pride on themselves to admit mistakes. He and his parents might see themselves as the joneses and thus even if they know there is something wrong they might not want to admit or do anything to help their son at all.

[–]Actanonverba11 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The problem is that a lot of guys like this will refuse to see it. They're too blinded by the Blue Pill and their pride to admit their mistake. You and even their family trying to help them only makes them reject the advice and double-down on the Blue Pill behavior. Either they will learn for themselves once they hit rock-bottom or they never will.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I know. I know because I'm the same way. I'm extremely stubborn as I assume many of us here are.

Although, I wonder had I found TRP principles sooner in my life (from my father, mentors or even friends) would things be better for me now? Looking back, I wish someone would have sat me down and told me I was in an unhealthy relationship. I wish I knew that there were options. It's obvious to me now but if someone had talked to me maybe I would have walked away sooner.

I'm still bitter that I should have been raised differently on how to interact and treat women. I'm still bitter. Ultimately, the responsibility is mine but I will do my best to be a positive influence on my friends and future children to be able to navigate the world better than I previously was.

[–]Aaronindhouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to ask myself this question too. The reality is, everyone has their ups and downs. With the red pill, at least we can avoid a lot of the downs.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The problem is that a lot of guys like this will refuse to see it. They're too blinded by the Blue Pill

This is the answer. You can only approach the dude when he hits bottom- and probably not even then.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Recruiting family may be worthwhile (preferably a male member--brother, cousing, father?). If you communicate with him, I would emphasize that if he is considering marriage, he has to ruthlessly consider who he's going to divorce, and what that will entail: she will likely strap him to indentured servitude if she has even a kid with him by the time he is in his 30s, and he won't be able to jump back into the game at a time in his life when he could potentially be in a more socially dominant position, because she has influenced him to become a loser.

As an aside--what the fuck have we done in society where a man can tolerate his GF cheating on him, not once, but multiple times, without nexting/ghosting on her completely?! If he could get away with it legally, I would say he should employ the pimp hand to boot!

[–]plascra 20 points21 points  (4 children)

My brain in agony as I read this.

Only conclusion I can derive from this shit storm: your friend is an avid Disney film lover.

[–]improvingme63 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I love Disney films, they're full of innuendo... and bullshit

[–]1Alphaspire 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Disney also has Gaston, and Gaston is the man.

[–]Dookiestain_LaFlair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He singled handedly supported the poultry industry of Southern France with the amount of eggs he ate.

[–]PM_ME_SOLILOQUIES 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea Gaston fucks. But Beast was an animal in the sack.

[–]TRPBackpacker points points [recovered]

It is in women's best interest to actively work to undermine a men's progress and improvements.

  1. It helps to keep the men at her level or below. So that she doesn't have to put in much effort.

  2. It proves that she deserves better than the potential men that he could've become. Which is an ego stroke to tell the world that she is above a man like that or more. In your friend's case, an engineer.

  3. It helps to test if you are fit as an alpha male if you don't fall for it and instead make her follow you around in your life instead.

Imagine the Nigeria prince scam. They don't write their story that way full of stupidity and grammar errors because they are stupid. Their emails are time tested to weed up the smart one and catch the dumb receivers who will fall for it. Women's shit test are designed to single our the dumbest beta who will be a servant to them or push to see if they are alpha enough.

This is my theory as to why women actively seeks to destroy their men.

[–]jackandjill22 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Good lord. This is a disaster.

[–]aanarchist 37 points38 points  (27 children)

it's not in her best interest because without a man to protect and provide for her she ultimately has nothing. even the government is ultimately a man providing for her. blue pill women are programmed to destroy men because it serves the elite's interests in doing so, because said men are what stands between them and global domination. there's no great evolutionary theory or test behind it, it's just a toxic program running in her cpu. it is the most counterproductive thing a woman can do to seek to undermine a man or to test him. a woman's ultimate purpose is to serve her man as he moves through his personal journey. he fell for a toxic woman because he is equally poorly programmed. it's just two betas doing beta shit together.

[–]helgisson 11 points12 points  (9 children)

Shit tests and the like are designed to literally "test" a man's mettle - if it degrades him too much over time she'll eventually get bored and the relationship will suffer, but if he never lets it faze him it proves subconsciously that he has his shit together and is therefore a good partner. So I think it is evolutionary in that sense. The goal isn't to actually degrade him, it's to see if he's strong enough to brush it off.

[–]aanarchist 4 points5 points  (8 children)

it's a great story to spin, a very well written rationalization, but ultimately her ""Testing" his mettle is a sign of a woman who is brainwashed and who is corrupted in the worst way. there is a woman playfully giving you shit for fun, cuz that's what people do sometimes, then there is a woman trying to tear you down because she is toxic. there's a reason why women like that only fall for sociopaths, because that's exactly what they are themselves and they both spread the poison around to others. call it whatever you want, but it's not good for it to exist in the world. you can consider it a test of your mettle and make it useful to your personal growth as a man, but you gotta call a spade a spade: it's not a woman who is worth keeping, and such behavior ultimately has to be bred out for the good of mankind.

[–]sorceryofthetesticle 6 points7 points  (1 child)

her ""Testing" his mettle is a sign of a woman who is brainwashed and who is corrupted in the worst way.

And

such behavior ultimately has to be bred out for the good of mankind

Ahhhh yes. It's not genetically rooted behavior, but we should breed it out. It all makes sense now.

[–]helgisson -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I meant shit tests in general. OP's case is a little different. I'd say besides the shit tests it falls into the dualistic sexual nature of women - secure a beta provider for resources, get fucked by alphas for the tingles. And yes, she's extra toxic and sociopathic on top of all that. I'm not justifying her behavior in any way, OP's friend should obviously gtfo as soon as possible.

[–]aanarchist 2 points3 points  (3 children)

that dualistic shit is getting overinflated. the only women i've ever known who didn't want to commit herself to a single man had severe mental issues that she preferred to either avoid or bury rather than to deal with them in a healthy and productive manner. women want an alpha that doesn't toss them out after they've committed everything to him. shit tests are a sign of a woman who is unstable and damaged. neither of mine shit test me at all in fact they're very sane human beings, more emotionally stable than most of the pantyboys on here i'd say. if they say or do something i don't like they will apologize and then stop, otherwise their "shit tests" is them just being silly, cuz what is life if you can't have some laughs. the thing about a lot of dudes on the red pill is they have literally 0 social skills, no emotional intelligence, no awareness, they're really far on the autistic spectrum and they need human interactions written out for them like a math problem. they have no sense of humor, no joy in their life, and a cold robotic approach to everything they do, they're the true blue pill slaves of the world who have no emotions. it's those same men who come back here crying about awalt when they think the woman is "disrespecting" him when in reality he's just as clueless as when he was still blue pill. they still treat life like a computer game or a software program.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 4 points5 points  (1 child)

shit tests are a sign of a woman who is unstable and damaged.

All women shit test. It is starting to make sense now.

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but the difference in intensity is night and day. just try not to go full autistic spectrum with it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As far as I can see there are plenty of bitches out there that do not have a hard mental health diagnosis. I think the fallout from dating, or even observing the behavior of these women increases interest in TRP amongst men, and do not imply an explicit fault with them.

Besides if the majority of dudes on a forum like this were on the autism spectrum, they would have my sympathy a lot more than unethical women who pursue an AF/BB dynamic, and then detonate their marriages after having kids for cash and prizes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Two beings plugged into the feminine matrix, carrying out the status quo to their detriment.

[–]Banincoming -1 points0 points  (3 children)

She got him to drop out of college and move where he couldn't get a high wage job. She doesn't care about him providing for her.

[–]aanarchist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

you seem to have misunderstood what i was saying and why i was saying it. i know she doesn't care about him, and that's one of her great failures as a woman and as a human being.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is that why he is working a soul sucking job? She just doesn't want to pay for an engineer provider. A low wage laborer is more her style.

[–]endogenic -3 points-2 points  (10 children)

Agreed, yes, not in her real best interest. I just have one question as I'm very interested to have your opinion/answer... Through what specific/concrete causes and process is that toxic program installed in people? The causes specifically are what I'm more interested in. Thanks in advance.

[–]aanarchist 9 points10 points  (7 children)

it's what people on here call the blue pill. you're basically asking me to give you a nutshell paragraph on something that takes a series of lectures to fully encompass. it's a series of systems running in society. think about how your parents were raised and how they raised you, how they were trained to think and what to believe was true about the world. think about what your teachers and everyone in your environment did that either encouraged or disencouraged in yourself and your own behavior and thought processes. who raised the people that educated you and others, and what did they teach them and why did they teach it to them? most of them are just passing on the same shit that was given to them, but someone at some point had an idea he wanted to implant into others for a specific reason, and it was for his own gain, not for theirs. a woman chanting the feminist mantras, feminism being a movement funded by a bunch of bankers who understood that feminism would make society weaker and less stable, that it would divide the genders and make both depressed, making it easier to control them and to sell shit to them that they don't need for a profit. it's a long series of dots to connect.

look up a video series by a man called mark passio. here's the first video to start with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIEemKcy-4E

this is really advanced red pill stuff, and it also explains that women aren't the enemy but rather just as much a victim of a system that is designed to destroy both genders, and to make them destroy each other even. the video i linked was long and you don't have to watch it all at once, but tell me what you thought of it.

[–]endogenic -1 points0 points  (6 children)

think about what your teachers ... did that encouraged or discouraged in yourself and your own behavior and thought processes

Right. But it doesn't seem that those/such teachers are the 'elite' you mention. If this issue has been passed down through generations it cannot be attributed to the control of a specific entity or group of elite. See the confusion? (Will check the vid a little later)

[–]aanarchist 4 points5 points  (5 children)

yes those people are the slaves of the elite, and they were taught by the same institutions that are teaching this generation. the public schools are run by the government, the curriculums are government programs and government funded, they decide what happens and what the children learn and how and what they don't learn, and who do you think controls the governments. it's pretty out there stuff that's why i said it was advanced, if you don't have a core knowledge of the red pill then it might seem like nonsense or conspiracy theories. regardless truth is truth, regardless of what anyone thinks.

[–]endogenic 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Please excuse me for saying so, but your reasoning is flawed. Just because some or even all people who happen to be in government or in power are perpetuating and spreading the issue which is damaging human consciousness it does not mean that (a) they are the ones in charge of the causes of the issue nor that (b) they are the ones who started it nor that (c) the issue's causes are solely originated by the elite or those in power.

Judging by the number of downvotes I'm getting and the number of upvotes you're getting, it appears this is not only hard for others to understand and accept but something you are actively insulating yourself from understanding.

But hey I guess it's more comfortable for you to believe you can see the truth and not have to be able to verify it. Good luck with that. However in reality you're simply assigning a narrative that allows you to delude yourself in the near term into not feeling any personal responsibility for (a) your own participation in the issue and (b) your lack of ability to identify the real essential causes. What you said is tantamount to "aliens did it". Meanwhile you believe you are an advanced student. From my point of view you haven't properly internalized some of the most basic lessons of self knowledge.

But hey you can just downvote me and find a way to convince yourself that you can actually see and say the truth so I guess that means I was wrong and that you don't actually need a definitive / objective proof of your truth, you just need your feelings and personal experiences which you had from your personal perspective. Wait a sec, that sounds oddly familiar..

[–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

i wasn't implying a b or c. the red pill uses the matrix analogy. the machine, the system was created a long time ago for a very specific and understandable reason. over time the machine started to take a life of its own and started running itself for the sake of self preservation. the people have over the generations become dependent on the machine for even the most basic of things, their food, their water, just about everything. it is ultimately the responsibility of everyone who lives in the system for the way things are, including you and me and every single person we know, we are the fuel that feeds the machine.

regardless it's up to you to follow the rabbit hole and look for the stars when someone is pointing them out to you. if you've been red pill for a while now and are committed to being a seeker of truth, then the connections will come to you on their own in due time. i gave you a great resource earlier, and you have your own life experiences to tell you what is true and false. you decide your reality. i'm assuming you didn't watch what i linked you, and are making assumptions based on a readers digest that you were given instead of looking for all the facts. this is why i told you from the very beginning that what you were asking of me was to explain to you something that takes time to fully describe and to fully understand, that's how deep the blue pill ignorance has gotten in relation to the real world, and frankly i know that you're better than that because you have the balls to actually ask questions unlike the other 90%.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thomas Sowell, writing about race, wrote the below quote which I think can be adapted here. It describes how a certain way of looking at things, when accepted by the culture, can give off the appearance of a conspiracy, when in reality it is perhaps less top-down or organized than that. I insert "gender relations" in place of race:

"There is no subject that is more in need of dispassionate analysis, careful factual research and a fearless and honest discussion than is [gender relations]. Ideally, we might look to intellectuals for such things. But it is also true that the mental skills and verbal dexterity of intellectuals can be used to evade evidence and promote whatever beliefs or agendas are in vogue among their peers. The intelligentsia in the media can decide what to emphasize, what to downplay and what to ignore entirely when it comes to [gender relations]. These may be individual choices, rather than a conspiracy, but individual choices growing out of a common vision of the world can produce results all too similar to what is produced by centralized censorship or propaganda." Of course there is a lot of talk about what the "elites" have to do with all of this, and I don't want to underestimate the cunning of some of the world's billionaires in particular, as they are almost always highly intelligent. But I think the process is largely organic, driven by virtue signalling, female self interest, and white knighting for pussy points, even if elites may encourage certain patterns of behavior over others

[–]SovereignSoul76 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have this feeling that if you spent some more time reading on here, you would actually agree with the general consensus here. You seem like a smart guy, and a real critical thinker. It's not so much a big conspiracy as it is something that's just spiraled out of control.

Think about it in the terms of a systems archetypes and/or system dynamics. The participants often do not understand the far-reaching effects of their actions, but rather the thing/issue/problem 6 inches in front their faces. But if you base your decision making rationale on things such as "happy wife, happy life" or "a woman always has the right to change her mind" or "not all women are like that" the results are going to be totally fucked. These people are building ENTIRE LIVES on faulty foundations. And if you lose your car, house, kids, "best friend", and desire to live, you'll know TRP told you not to build there.

[–]endogenic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate your kind words. But the question was "what is the essential cause?", not "who are the most powerful or influential people today who are connected to enabling the issue?".

The answer to my question is "falsehood ruins people and others when believed", not "government", "power", "money", etc. .

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Through what specific/concrete causes and process is that toxic program installed in people?

When a mommy and daddy love each other they hold each other real tight and make a baby. That tiny little zygote screaming in the fallopian tube in his mommas belly comes prepackaged with a SHIT LOAD of toxic programs.

How society deals with the innate toxicity of BOTH male and female nature determines how successful that society becomes. In this society, as The Red Pill, and many other sources document, the male toxicities- aggression/violence/risk taking/logical- is tightly controlled. the female toxicity- manipulation/deception/dependency/emotional- is universally encouraged by all of our institutions.

[–]billsmashole 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes your last point is great. They seek to get as much from a mate as possible, whether it's material stuff from a beta or status from an alpha.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Imagine the Nigeria prince scam. They don't write their story that way full of stupidity and grammar errors because they are stupid. Their emails are time tested to weed up the smart one and catch the dumb receivers who will fall for it.

I never thought about why those emails are so obvious. You're probably right, it's a filter. Just blew my mind.

[–]badaod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Valid points.

Additionally I would say that in many cases (maybe this one as well), the man fails the shit test and positions himself under her.

Now instead of leaving him she makes him a slave and looks out for the next best guy.

she does not find anyone better. the ones who pass the shit tests don't stick around with her (DJ peen).

Both are stuck. but she has all options and no interest in giving him up. and a lot of fun at the same time.

[–]psychonauticusURSUS 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Sorry this is pure delusion cope. A woman wants a successful financial provider and care taker. Undermining his ability to make money is not in her best interest plain and simple.

[–]2dogsandpizza 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is completely logical. Remember though women are not logical beings.

[–]IIlIIlIIIIlllIlIlII 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes and she will find one really quickly after she's done with this guy, not too hard being a festival girl.

[–]En-Zu -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Yeah this is a crock of shit. What this chick wants is security. She wants a BB and for that she's willing to drag him down into an abusive relationship. But she's not going to be happy that way. Women want alpha traits of a successful man and they want their man to, in a lot of ways if not all, be better than them and they feel more comfortable that way.

[–]Olongapo 41 points42 points  (11 children)

Some people (like me) are hard learners. My advice to you is to let him go with the best of wishes and stay in contact. My guess is that it will blow up and will need a lifeline without any "I told you so's". He'll either make it or he won't. She'll wind up cucking him to the point where he walks away. Be willing to drive out there to pick him up...seriously. You might enjoy the scenery.

[–]jeezydasnowman 24 points25 points  (10 children)

DO NOT MAINTAIN CONTACT. You can care if you're that sensitive but do not take action. All you are going to do is either make him resent you or cause yourself to be taken advantage of. Replace shitty friends.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exactly. People fucking hate it when their friends see the light, change themselves and find success while they spend even more energy doubling down on their beta perspectives. Because of this, all you can do is walk away. If you try and show them the truth, they'll almost always resent you. Their suffering must bring them to the same conclusions your suffering brought you. After that, you'll have a real friend.

[–]segagaga 5 points6 points  (8 children)

Except a person who doesn't care for others and isn't there for them in a time of need is a shitty friend. Cutting off contact with people is generally a shitty thing to do, and should only be a last-resort kind of action, reserved for disrespect, abuse, criminality, lying, getting cheeky with the needy favors, things that break the boundaries.

[–]jeezydasnowman 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Ahhh what a naive comment. You sound 15.

[–]segagaga 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What is naive is to believe that you can see the future and just cut people off without knowing for certain how they will end up. Not even the wisest of men can see all ends. You harm your own networking potential if you do that. You never know how a kind deed there can result in a good word somewhere else.

It is also hypocrisy to call yourself the friend of anyone while cutting them off. Either you're a friend, or you're not. If you choose to genuinely be a friend, then stick to your word and act like one.

So no I'm not naive, I simply choose to be kind.

[–]jeezydasnowman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's not within the context of networking though. This friend is obviously not a business contact. He some kind of old friend who has gone further and further down the drain and ultimately needs to be separated. You should read the 48 Laws of Power.

[–]segagaga -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They do not predict everything that can and will happen, and do not ascertain the value of individual humans. A good leader knows the value of the pawns, just as much as the armored knights. Life isn't monodirectional, life is up and down, much like a line graph.

Networking isn't just about business. Its not about what you know, its about who you know. A wide web catches the fly.

[–]DotishGuy -1 points0 points  (3 children)

And burning bridges unnecessarily makes you mature ? If you can help a soul , help. The pill would be easier to swallow once his throat gets fucked by the hard cock of truth. She's going to cheat on him , he'll look for help , OP will help, and we'll get another soldier.

[–]jeezydasnowman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I really dislike the idea of gaining soldiers, this community is about the best sexual strategy for single men, not about a Cause.

[–]segagaga 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If you're looking to improve yourself purely for sexual encounters, then you missed part of the point of self-improvement. You're still chasing the pussy, putting it on a pedestal, just in a different way.

[–]jeezydasnowman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The reasons don't matter as long as you accomplish what you want - most guys like myself are simple creatures anyways. An improved sex life is just a side effect of being fit, rich, or seductive.

[–]2comment 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Dating older women usually kills the natural dynamic and the power a man is supposed to have in an LTR. In this case, she's experienced men 10 years older than your friend at a minimum, has experienced far greater thrills than he can provide combined with that poisonous cynicism from being pumped and dumped countless times, and the experience down to twist him around her little finger.

In a few years, they're gonna hate each other's guts and he'll wonder how he ended up where he is. Before then, and pretty soon, as the relationship is flailing around, she'll convince him they'll need to have babies, and then he'll be fucked good and proper.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In a few years, they're gonna hate each other's guts

100% count on it. He has already put up with more shit than a man can be expected to tolerate. It's the whole Hula Hoop thing. She probably fucks like a trained pleasure slave.

[–]empress_cixi -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

I think for young men who are virgins - they may prefer to lose their virginities to older women who sort of guide them during sex as a learning experience. That's quite the common thing I have noticed is standard in Europe as opposed to the U.S. where men persuade younger men to get experience by having sex with sex workers/ prostitutes/ escorts.

However, the perspective that you are advocating is inherently biased towards sexism - that men should only engage in relationships with young women who are inexperienced. This makes you as a man, seem insecure with your masculinity. In reality, a guy who is confident with his masculinity probably has had relationships with a wide range of different women of varying ages and understands the feminine mystique.

[–]2comment 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I think for young men who are virgins - they may prefer to lose their virginities to older women

STRs (short term relationships) are different from LTRs. In my experience, most virgin men just want to lose their vcard and nut, so the standard who they do it with is pretty low. The amount of guys who do it with sex worker for their first time is pretty low.

[–]empress_cixi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What time frame are STRs vs LTRs? Most marriages in the US last an average of 2-5 years. That seems like a short-term relationship to me.

[–]WhiskeyIsANootropic 19 points20 points  (1 child)

"If you want to keep a man, keep him in debt" - traditional female saying, at least here in blighty.

[–]TRP_DarkTriad 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That line of yours sent chills along my spine. I've seen several good men lose their health & peace of mind by spending more than they can afford to.

[–]Andrew54321 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Every moment your focus is on someone else's life is another moment you weren't concentrated on improving yours.

Go forth and achieve.

[–]50339 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ho this place is turning into Stephen King level horror literature. But its good. Fear is a good thing. Fear that we'll end up like this dude...

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The thirst is strong in him.

[–]Origami84 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So long as they dont have a baby, he has a chance to recover. But time is ticking away fast.

[–]Slicer51b 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I feel you man. One of my oldest friends hooked up with and will soon marry a psycho girl. He even recently unfriended me because of her dislike of me. Similar to your case, she has low income potential, she's way below his previous girls and has an abrasive personality.

Your friend so far hasn't married her while my friend will. I hope for your friend he doesn't before the relationship implodes.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (9 children)

Reminds me of an old friend I lost due to a girl. Bitch was (still is) fat, practically playing video games all day long, asking him of course to go grab some pastries at the store every other day. Mind you, he actually paid for her cell phone for over a year, while he had none. A complete tool. Now he's fat too (as far as I know), and still lives in a shithole with this girl, probably both working at a 15-20$/hour minimum wage type of job. It's sad, but such is life.

Nowadays I have no respect when I see shit like this happening. We live in such a "pussy-empowering" society that very few men realize the power they have - a whole fucking LOT compared to what women can actually accomplish in this world. And your friend was 21? Pretty much the same thing about my friend. Now this is very judgmental of me but I'll say it: I will never understand the foolishness of men who get into "serious" (bitch please) relationships before age 30-35 (in their 20s basically).

Also, your post perfectly correlates with Illimitable Men Maxim #164 : When you’re in a relationship with a woman, you must drag her up or she’ll drag you down.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (4 children)

where the fuck is 15$ dollars minimum wage?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He is reporting what his friend told him. The same thing the guys wife told him thousands of times so he believes it. He is a bum working for minimum wage. Yep.

[–]palaceposy6706 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Had a few friends, nerds, that hooked up with fat harpies. They are now fat too, and I never see them any more because their wives are bitches and the single friend is a threat. A lot of unrealized potential in them that they squandered in pursuit of mediocre pussy; ie got dragged down.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

This is potentially a real problem. I think because young men are in a relatively disadvantaged position in the sexual marketplace, and current social trends lead to young women overestimating their own value, you have a situation where young men are brow-beaten into believing they are of lower value than they ultimately are--because no one tells them that their SMV will climb and peak later than women, if they make the right choices. So it produces this "beggars can't be choosers dynamic" where you'll see a good looking, but lacking in confidence, blue pill dude getting with a mediocre girl who will be an absolute harpy by the time she's 30.

I almost feel like young men should approach dating with the idea that they should hit on/game 100-200 women before seriously considering a LTR. Mandatory pain, like basic training, or being a hospital intern. Approach it like a job, and be pleasantly surprised (but not supplicating) if you snag someone of quality during the process. Game knowledge is always useful, but this shit wouldn't be necessary if women by and large didn't act like whores in the current day.

[–]palaceposy6706 0 points1 point  (1 child)

current social trends lead to young women overestimating their own value

I am an older dude, and have been surprised a few times by how younger women overestimate themselves. I think it's the narcissist's facade though - those same social trends train young women to think they're never good enough, hot enough, smart enough. They project the image but loath themselves inside.

young men should approach dating with the idea that they should hit on/game 100-200 women before seriously considering a LTR

Interesting idea. I wonder how many would get past 25 before going full MGTOW.

[–]Blemper -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ontario and one day you're gonna come begging me for a man as high enough, she will never get that.

[–]RetiredTimeHo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I shit you not she gets paid to spin hoola hoops at EDM festivals. As absolutely everyone here would have guessed, she has cheated on him multiple times. He pays the rent with the little money he gets at his shitty job. Now he can't afford to move back to NY and is living with a manipulative psycho who lives at EDM festivals. To top it all off she has gained about 30 pounds since I last saw her

This guy is a fucking moron who has ruined his life over a cheap, worthless, vile whore.

[–]BobbyPeru 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The more you try to convince him, the deeper he will dig in.

Let it go, and let him experience what he needs to experience.

[–]Conceited-Monkey 10 points11 points  (3 children)

He gave up on his education and works a shitty job to support a heavy older woman who cheats on him and spins hula hoops at EDM festivals.....This has got to be fiction. Assuming this is not made up, this guy is beyond saving. I would be hoping he does not reproduce.

[–]Returnofthemack3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

man, I honestly could believe it. so many idiotic beta guys out there

[–]evilkenevil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You sound like a good friend but he's going to have to choose his way out of it on his own. He's simply going to have to make better choices on his own. There's not much you can do. It's like losing weight or some other hard endeavor--it's not happening until you choose to make it happen.

[–]aleddito 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Once she gets pregnant by someone else but tells him it's his... He will be done for .

May God have mercy on his soul

[–]BestSC86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"A good man who had it all together"....he didn't have it all together, it was all a mirage underneath which were some pretty serious psychological issues it sounds like.

Low self-esteem, depression or something....did he do drugs on a regular basis? That would be another indicator that he was dealing with some sort of issues which he couldn't handle.

This girl provided him some sort of validation or gave him the "love' that he thought he deserved

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your friend has all the blame for his situation. Some men are just stupid. And sometimes they never learn.

[–]CherryPop1967 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your friend is a fucking pussy. I raised two sons to be men and I swear, they'd be outta the will for this bullshit haha

[–]msjezebe1 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I've met a few of these glittery hula-hoop festival girls. They are the worst. The fucking worst.

[–]1empatheticapathetic -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Lol what makes you say that.

[–]msjezebe1 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I lived on an island in SE Asia for about a year, and for 3 months, about a lot of hippies descended on it for some 'fire arts' festival, including loads of the hula hooping girls, and they were just the most annoying people. Thinking they were badass because they took acid every day and had rainbow coloured dreadlocks. I mean, they ran CUDDLING workshops.

[–]1empatheticapathetic -1 points0 points  (1 child)

OMG that sounds so badass. You just sound lame tbh. Jealously is not a virtue.

[–]menial_optimist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tell him if he's down to get his shit together you'll support him. If it were me and we were close I might get our friends together and pitch money so he can move back and continue with his education.

[–]UrbanBanger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mothefucker needs a solid wake up call. Peruse my submission history to find my horror story that I added to TRP.... And for the love of God... Show it to him

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

she says she's smarter then us

Goes without saying. If you have to tell people that your smart, your the dumb one

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Her job? I shit you not she gets paid to spin hoola hoops at EDM festivals.

The absolute worst type of girl.. RIP Joe

[–]Stythe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've seen numerous good friends going through this. I've seen a lot of female friends hitting the wall. I could have been in their situation, but I'm tired of it. My focus is on me and I've stopped trying to offer advice. When people dig their Graves, they never plan to sleep in them. They always figure it's for someome else.

[–]Tasty_Tortilla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There ya go buddy. As soon as you mentioned the age difference, I knew what you did NOT need.

You don't need her. Don't bite off more than you can chew. She'd never become what you'd want to sink your teeth into. Let alone anything you'd want to digest.

[–]meh613 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TBH, one never loses one's potential. It just needs to be realised.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That sucks. If he ever snaps out of it but he's still too financially wrecked to get the hell away from her, you and your friends should loan him money for a plane ticket.

Hopefully he doesn't marry her.

[–]Endorsed ContributorReddJive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hell. Depending on the value of the friendship I say do it now. It could be the very fact that has nothing that keeps him to "try and work it out". He may very well believe there are no options. So where he is at is good enough.

[–]bostonceltics1991 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Joe needs Tom Leykis. Dump that bitch.

[–]Actanonverba11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate stories like this. Not because they aren't good, but because it fills me with anger. It's amazing how men with throw their future away for pussy! I've seen it before with some of my friends. It goes beyond Beta behavior. It's just retarded thinking and self-sabotage on the part of the man.

[–]Vasallo7G 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Send your friend this thread.

[–]Aaronindhouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes people need more than words man. He's up there alone with a life sucking leech. If you and your other friend showed up to visit, and offered to drive/fly him back he might just go with you guys.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nobody gets paid to spin hoola hoops at a EDM concert that is just what they do to work the cum out between creampies

[–]ArkAngelEV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just a couple days ago, someone on a subway platform stuck their head out to a passing express train.

When i read truly desperate stories, situations that are so untenable to any rational being; it makes me think they WANT to hit a rock bottom so pathetic; they want to self destruct in the most horrid way possible

[–]Mr_ghostslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes you have to sit back and let your friends go through the motion. Let them fail so they learn. Be there to pick them up and show them to learn from their mistake.

Alot of guys unaware to red pill philosophy always are in denial. They think they have a unicorn or that they have some feeling of attachment which without it they are meaningless.

Your friend will not listen to you. He will put her more on a pedestal the more you tell him shes shit. Except like a rat trap set the cheese and let him find it. Only when he realizes he will dump this hoe.

Maybe find a chad to hit her up at a music festival, than show your mate.

[–]abbafishhead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

she gets paid to spin hoola hoops

she has gained about 30 pounds since I last saw her.

Something does not compute.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

18-23 and he didnt get a degree in that time huh? Yeah engineering wasn't gonna work out for him.

[–]-Universe- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just make sure he doesn't get married. He will realize whats happening and will come through in time if he's smart.

[–]stephcurryftw 0 points1 point  (2 children)

God damn..... poor guy but he gotta live with the consequences of his naive actions. Have you or anyone ever tried to talk some sense into him in the past?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah but made no progress with that. I think he's too deep into the situation now to realize his mistakes and want to try to get out of it. My guess is she fucks his brains out when she feels like it (aka when she's not fucking other dudes) and that's good enough for him.

[–]intuition25 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was this guy for a year and a half. Never a dull moment with a crazy girl. Eventually she drained all the life out of me, I realized my situation and vowed never to return. I discovered red pill a decade later and wished my Dad had been able to teach me about it. But what could I expect from him, he's blue pill. I hope your friend snaps out of it someday and realizes he can fuck hotter girls who are less trouble. He has to come to the realization on his own. I had everyone telling me to get out, but it wasn't until I had seen enough that I realized they were right.

[–]Upoopinmybutt -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

It sounds like you're in love with Joe. Have you tried just telling him how you feel?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If he doesn't listen it's time for other people to intervene.