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Women Want To Be Sexualized (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by G_Petronius

A man straight from the bluepill world would think that being sexualized is one of the worst possible experiences a woman can have; after all, it's talked about with a tone of shock and disgust that leaves no doubt, and the charge of sexualizing women is levied against basically every single piece of media there is.

Except... women are obsessed with being sexualized. Female magazines are filled to the brim with tips on how to be sexier, female fashion is designed with the primary goal of making women more sexually appealing (at the expense of everything else, like comfort or convenience), female entertainment largely rotates around romance stories where the protagonist may not necessarily start out sexy but, at some point, will have a moment of revelation where her true beauty emerges.

This has caused some confusion even among feminist authors, as the glaring contradiction can not be totally ignored. So, in perfect female fashion, they made up a rationalization which, also in perfect female fashion, ended up being more revealing than the truth it was meant to hide: "being sexy is empowering!"

Yes, sexy women are "empowered". Empowered to do what? feminists don't really say, because the answer immediately puts the lie to the concept: empowered to attract men, of course. Sexual attractiveness is female power, the primary female power, a truth even feminists acknowledge in their funny little twisted way.

Women crave being sexualized, they desperately want to be sexually desired and go to extreme lengths for that goal. And, what's more, they live in a world where men have been absolutely castrated by feminism, where men hesitate to show even the smallest hint of sexual desire lest they "creep out" women.

This plays enormously to your advantage. A man not afraid of the sexual level of interaction is already playing in a different league than all others. Things like

  • not being afraid of being in her same space, as most dudes are

  • not being afraid of physical contact and, during physical contact, not behaving as if continuously apologizing for it, unlike most dudes

  • not shying away from talk of sex, sexually charged jokes and similar topics

  • in general, showing through words and actions that you know full well she's a sexual creature who wants to be sexually attractive

All of these will give you an astounding competitive advantage over Joe Average. A man so enlightened has entirely different interactions with women: much more relaxed on both sides, consequently much more pleasurable and fun even if they don't go sexual, and the interaction will far more likely slide towards sexual engagement if that's where you want to take it.

The difference in social dynamics is so stark it gave rise to the old PUA metaphor of the "secret society", the idea that some men operate on a different social level when dealing with women, and to them there are possibilities open which are precluded to all others. This is, of course, exactly true in the metaphorical sense: you don't present a plastic membership card, but you do show that you belong to the "secret society" when you express the frame we discussed.

So what can you do? you can make a choice: belong to the club, or not. Now, of course, there's a little catch: you won't get rid of all those years of BP programming in an instant, like throwing a switch. Choosing to belong to the secret society will take conscious effort: you'll have to stamp out and counteract all those ingrained behaviors stemming from the notion that women don't want to be sexualized; you'll have to put yourself out there, consciously push yourself out of your comfort zone, and engage in the sexual level of interaction. You'll be embarrassed, but the embarrassment will be far less than you imagine, and the rewards indisputably worth it. If you haven't started yet, stop wasting time living a life of sexual frustration and get working.


[–]metalhead4 118 points119 points  (53 children)

I'm 26, have a career, have my toys, make money but I'm constantly unhappy. Figured I'd be married and have kids by now when I was younger. But the years keep adding up and I don't feel like I'm anywhere closer to what should make me consistently happy. I've had a couple serious girlfriends who I thought could've been the one until they all stabbed me in the back and now I have serious doubts I'll ever be able to trust a woman who isn't in my family again.

I've had meaningless hookups, I've had many dates, I've had girls stick around for a bit who end up ghosting you in the end. I've played the cocky asshole, I've played the caring boyfriend. I've been polite on dates and paid for their meals and held the door for them. I've had dates where I don't pay for them or we split the bill. I've lead girls on who wanted a relationship but I was only interested in fucking them for as long as I could. I've been red pill, I've been blue pill. I've been human.

The constant underlying issue is I don't know what makes me happy with the opposite sex and I'm sick of trying different bitches to find it. It's such a waste of time when the only person you can really count on for your own happiness is yourself. Sometimes I think I am depressed but I know everything is in our head so I just distract myself with other shit. Whether it be working out, riding my motorcycle, playing games, watching shows etc. I don't know if I want to be Chad and just fuck sluts for the rest of my life. I don't know if I want to be a provider and have a family to look after.

Until I figure it out, I'll keep getting up for work everyday and paying bills until I die.

[–]good_guy_submitter 76 points77 points  (15 children)

As a dad of several children. I wouldn't have it any other way. I love my kids way more than anything I thought possible prior.

I am married to their mother, and I trust her with them, but I don't trust her anymore than any other woman when it comes to sex. I got each kid DNA tested to ensure they were mine, and they are. My wife is incredible and kind and submissive, but her nature is still hamster brained. AWALT. A woman will never make you happy. I can never let my guard down around her or else the she stops putting out. If I want regular sex I have to maintain attraction and that means never dropping frame. TBH it's a pain in the ass and I sometimes I wish I had a shoulder to cry on when things go to shit but that is what my guy friends are for. The second I show weakness to her, her pussy dries up and closes down.

Its a pain in the ass being a dad, but God I love my kids and it is so so worth it. I can't wait until my son is old enough to start chasing tail so I can show him the ropes.

Life is a pain in the ass but if you fill it with things of love you can find happiness in it.

[–]MisterRoid 30 points31 points  (0 children)

As someone who wants to become a father, I found your comment inspiring.

[–]mOuLaF points points [recovered]

Yo, this is pretty deep. Like, it makes me think about the ultimate dilemma: to get a woman (have kids, see them grow, etc.) or not (not having to bother about a bitch, living life by your own standards, be overall happier?).

Kind of crazy to think about that. Surely having to keep frame 200% of the time is a pain in the ass!

Your post's last line pretty much sums everything up, anyway...

[–]good_guy_submitter 16 points17 points  (4 children)

The kids are worth it. Assuming you are K selected and not R. The biggest sacrifice I think I'm making is I only fuck one woman instead of spinning 3-4 plates. And so I have to manage the one woman and keep her wet while also keeping her interesting to me. And any mistakes I make with her are permanent, I can't just drop her and pick up a new chick.

Finding a woman to have them with is tricky. The key I've found is to get a woman who has a great relationship with her dad, and a great dad. I married a daddy's girl and she is still a daddy's girl but I am now the daddy.

A lot of nutjobs on here talk about paying a surrogate if you have kids. Fuck that. Kids need a mother. Kids need a father.

[–]BoobToArmRatio 1 point2 points  (3 children)

It's great that you found a unicorn to get married and have kids with, but if she divorced you and took steps to prevent you from seeing your kids, I don't think you would have the same sentiment. Plenty of guys on here have gotten shit on by getting married and having kids and to merely say its tricky is grossly understating the risk.

I don't see the need to call someone looking into surrogacy a nutjob. We look down on single mothers, yet they are lauded as heroes in society. It's in the best interest of women to look down on men who opt out one way or another. We should be supporting our brothers who are just seeking better options in the current legal climate.

[–]good_guy_submitter 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Everything in life in a risk. You take them or you don't.

Children should have a mother. Especially from ages 0-10. Only their own biological mother will ever care for them in the unconditional way a mother can. I don't care what you think about the legal climate in this discussion. I really don't give a flying fuck if your point is to recommend men raise kids without a mother. That is just insane. But I'm not advocating marriage anyway. You don't need to be legally married to have kids. I think getting married is a bad idea and I frequently say so if you see my comment history. Getting married is only adding a 3rd party to your relationship: the state. It used to be god was the 3rd party, but the state has replaced god thanks to stupid feminists. And I say that as an anti theist.

I didn't marry a unicorn. I married a woman, and AWALT. But I didn't marry some bar slut either. Granted, I know she has the potential to become a slut. But it's not much different from my potential to be a shitty fafher or husband either.

I'm not going to "enjoy the decline." Thats like saying "enjoy the end of the world." You know what, fuck that. What's the point of doing of anything if you have that attitude? You might as well just bIow twenty grand on escorts and drugs on one fatass party where you plan on suiciding by OD at the end. Call it quits, there is nothing to live for, no future.

I will raise great kids who will have great kids themself and continue my genetic line. It will be strong. My mother's father was a strong man, and the his father was strong, and his father's father was strong. I will continue that line to eternity. And I will do so without depriving my children from having a mother.

[–]BoobToArmRatio 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Idk if everything in your response was targeted at mine, but you've grossly misinterpreted everything I said. I'm really not recommending anything and I agree with most of what you said. I just think it's excessive for you to call someone a nutjob for wanting kids but taking their financial risk exposure into consideration. Is Cristiano Ronaldo a nutjob for choosing surrogacy? If you had more assets, maybe you would think twice before making such broad statements.

I'm not a "enjoy the decline" guy either. I will have kids someday and I do plan to have them the traditional way. I don't disagree that they should have a loving mother. I just think you are rushing to judge other men's choices too quickly.

[–]good_guy_submitter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really don't care how rich you are. Children should have a mother from ages 0-10. And then at 11 you can't exactly pry them away from their mom either, not humanely.

[–]Wel108 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don't even know you, but I respect you.

[–]Trustworthy12 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Have you found there to be any positive aspects to having to keep up frame 24/7 or is it only a drag?

[–]good_guy_submitter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes and no. It's a pain because I used to be a pretty lazy person. I can't be lazy anymore. But that's also a good thing. Maintaining frame 24/7 has made me more successful with just about everything in life. I get shit done and I have become a master of time management although the latter is because with kids I have half the time I used to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I can never let my guard down around her or else the she stops putting out. If I want regular sex I have to maintain attraction and that means never dropping frame.

The inequality pisses me off. men are supposed to love any wife who becomes a ham planet, but woman don't have to sex a man who loses value. Double standard.

[–]good_guy_submitter 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There was never equality. If you're looking for equality you will never be happy.

It's always been like this. With the exception, you used to be able to rape/hit your wife when she wouldn't put out. So you were always her dominant no matter what. But if you weren't willing to resort to those barbaric practices, you had to win her over.

Though divorce is a very new thing and I 100% would agree divorce is not okay. In particular, the way men get treated in divorce.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Equality would say her empowered cheating would be no different than our hungry roaming for side. But bastard men cheat and foxy women do too.

[–]logicalthinker1 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Happiness is a bad goal. happiness is an extreme emotion. If you're always happy, you're never happy. Strive for fulfillment and balance. You can't be happy if you're never sad. You can never be calm if you're never irate.

The euphoria you get from eating a nice big meal doesn't come from the meal itself. It comes from the swing of empty stomach to full stomach.

[–]MrAnderzon 51 points52 points  (21 children)

Do you have a dog? Because I think you need a dog

[–]ICanResetUrPassword 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Same age as you, pretty much similar experiences. I think the biggest thing that has helped for me is to stop focusing on a destination with women. Focus on a constant learning with your goals, career, etc. Focus on getting better everyday with fitness, learning, traveling, projects, skills. Build deep meaningful relationships with your family and/or friends. There is no end happiness goal. There is only the pursuit until we die.

[–]Thresher_XG 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wow I think you described me perfectly lol. We are both in the same boat. It's a strange feeling for sure

[–]fiat30 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm 27, I found fulfillment by pursing mastery in my field. It's not enough for us to punch in and pay bills. Having read some of the posts from older gentlemen around here, a family doesn't automatically equate to happiness and fulfillment. As for the feelings of uncertainty, I grapple with them too. Luis CK has a great saying that at this age, it's normal, we should face these thoughts and find answers for ourselves because that's what will make us unique. I highly recommend Mastery by Robert Greene if you want to find and excel at your calling.

[–]Psychonautsareus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So you know you're unhappy and you know that the only person that can make you happy is yourself, then what is the problem? Go out and do something whatever you want to do at that given moment and you will be happy.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 0 points1 point  (0 children)

May I suggest you to follow your mission? Women are desserts, not the main food.

[–]Questionnaire7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Travel to a more conservative part of the world and find a Girl there. To be honest im imaging a Muslim country may be the way to go. Maybe not so conservative as Saudia Arabia because then you'd actually have to convert. Id bet there are conservative places where same religion dating/marriages arent required by custom.

[–]time_stop2 points points [recovered]

This sounds oddly similar to my exact situation...

[–]GBP4tendies -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 254 points255 points  (29 children)

Yup.

Society is created by the majority. The majority of women are over 30 and the majority of men are beta. Those are the loudest voices and those are the majority of the voices.

Women crave being sexualized

.... by attractive alpha men.

Betas are expected to admire her from afar and validate her and provide for her and click "like" and offer to marry her but are ewwwwwwww not allowed to touch. That would be icky and wrong and they must be shamed for this behaviour. Because she's totally not a sex object. She has hopes and dreams and is a real person!

.... except she truly and deeply desires to submit and slut herself out for an attractive man. To please him and in the process be pleased herself.

You are expected to know all this so that she doesn't have to admit it or take responsibility for it.

Welcome to the secret society.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Maxim #122 Women loathe being sexually objectified by lesser men, crafting their disgust for the unworthy into a veneer of moral superiority. Yet hidden within this guise of upright disgust is a depraved desire to be objectified by a powerful man. The weak man gets nothing, the strong man enjoys her perversions.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 13 points14 points  (0 children)

hahaha.... forgot about this one from IllimitableMen. Heard most often in the form of "I'm not that kind of girl!".

[–]LymanRP 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Women crave being sexualized .... by attractive alpha men.

So true. Something done by an Alpha that will give her the tingles will be seen as creepy if done by a Beta/Omega. I've seen it happen all the time in my friend group. I love poking fun at my girlfriends over this using what I like to call the Mad Men comparison (phenomenal show to see some old school TRP vs. BP in action). The girls get all giggly and giddy when Don Draper and Roger Sterling hit on them, but it becomes creepy when the same is done by Pete Campbell.

[–]tyrryt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Something done by an Alpha that will give her the tingles will be seen as creepy if done by a Beta/Omega.

"Creepy" is just code for "not of sufficient value to bang her" - it's not actually disliked, and a woman ignored by a group of betas would be as disappointed as one ignored by alphas, or by women. Even moreso, because beta attention should be easier to get.

[–]Questionnaire7 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Once I sat next to an hb9 in Calculus class. The beta bude who sat in front of us turned around one day and told her to be careful not to spill her Starbucks drink on the ground. She reacted with a look of disgust and didnt say anything. Then I said "yea watch out you idiot your gonna make a mess in here." She immediately smiled, laughted and said, oops and pulled her drink away from the edge of the table. Essentially the exact same line delivered, 100% opposite reactions

[–]lqtys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So true. Something done by an Alpha that will give her the tingles will be seen as creepy if done by a Beta/Omega.

The same would happen if a 80 years old fat lady started to flirt with me. Creepy as fuck.

[–]MrAnderzon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pete Campbell didn't he go back to his wife towards the end?

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

While reading this, I once more understand that being a beta in the past was the worst thing that I have done to myself. I would rather get slapped as a cocky but unwanted guy, than listen to her tantrums and like her photos on fb.

[–]LookThroughRedEyes 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No it's the best thing that I've done to myself, because I found this place and I will never do it to myself ever again.

[–]G_Petronius points points [recovered]

.... by attractive alpha men.

No, by all men, beta and alpha alike. Being sexually attractive to a man gives a woman power over him; if he's an alpha, power to hopefully fuck him, and if he's a beta power to make him do what she wants. She won't get wet at the thought of a beta wanting her, she won't make herself available to his awkward and timid advances, but she won't be troubled by the notion. She might feign it for the purpose of manipulation ("how dare you find me attractive? you must humble yourself and make amends for this terrible crime!") or because it's socially advantageous (such as shaming a man who is 'beneath' her to reaffirm her social standing).

[–]Barvazon 48 points49 points  (6 children)

I disagree.

You're unattractive? That's sexual harassment. You're hot? Completely different story.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It's just two different things. Women love to be seen as sexually attractive to everyone, but they only want sexual interaction with those they themselves are attracted to.

[–]Docbear64 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I love this old Comedy skit which I think is pretty accurate if you read between the lines : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbeEuYAZFL4 .

An old plate of mine was a slut she loved to send nudes to guys that she wanted to fuck . She did it all the time . However one day she was telling me a story about how her best friends older brother tried hitting on her. He mentioned he would love to see a pic of her tits and she was fucking insulted. She mentioned how he didn't know how to treat women and he was and this is an exact quote " creepy" .

Mind you I've had this girl come over, blow me , and sent her home. I've called her just about every offensive name you can call a woman ( She was into it) , I and many others had fucked this girl seven ways to sunday . Yet this dude she was not attracted to merely mentioning a sexual interest in her was vile and repulsive.

I get what both of you are saying women are validation machines but thereis a quality bar however I think that quality bar fluctuates with her mood just like everything else about a woman ( her memories , perceptions ,etc.) . When she feels ugly and like a pile of shit some loser telling her she's hotter than Elizabeth Taylor in her prime will make her feel better. His advances aren't appreciated quite as much but his attention is ( Even this is blurry Women go out on dates and give Beta Schlubs a " shot" to wine and dine them when they are burned out on alphas) .

When she feels attractive though and like she can have Any man she wants? It's an offense , why would she entertain the interest of some scrub when she knows that she can do better? She's hot , she knows/ feels it , and a man that she perceives beneath her complimenting her is a waste of time and if he thinks he has a chance it's actually offensive . " Why would a girl like me go out with a guy like him?".

[–]good_guy_submitter 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Eh I'm with g petro on this one.

It's the reason girls post on gonewild and the like. The girls that are regulars get plenty of pm'd dick pics from unattractive fat guys. Yet they keep posting.

I can't say I blame them. If I could legally walk around naked and have all sorts of women, attractive and ugly alike, drooling over me and hitting on me then I'd probably do so. But women don't approach.

The truth is, I get hit on more by gay guys than women. That is something I don't want, but it is still flattering. They can look and compliment me all they want, but please don't ever touch me. Which is probably exactly how women feel about the majority of men.

[–]bobjoe177 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I get the same thing w dudes hitting on me, but the interaction is so different when I rebuff them. I have no qualms about giving a hard no right off the bat, and they inevitably understand exactly what I mean by it. With women getting unwanted advances they often just give these vague indirect subtexty clues and then wonder why betafag doesn't get the hint.

[–]good_guy_submitter 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Such is women. Everything about them is indirect. They evolved to be that way, it was necessary as our weaker counterparts. While you can risk angering another dude and know the worst he can do is try to fight you, women can't physically defend themselves from even a pathetic beta male.

Don't hate them for it. But understand it and proceed.

[–]CrypticG 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Rule 1: Be attractive

Rule 2: Don't be unattractive

[–]NaughtyFred 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's a real thing. I gamed a girl off reddit who before was saying and doing all sorts of nasty stuff via text and video. Second she met me and realised I didn't meet her standards she became a whole different, more prudish person.

Lesson learned.

[–]420KUSHBUSH 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Feels good to finally be inducted.

[–]slay_it_forward 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You don't get inducted by reading reddit posts.

[–]MrBellsprout123 0 points1 point  (5 children)

If I had read this paragraph when I was 16 It would have saved me a lot of heart ache.

I won't say I'm pissed at my mother for brainwashing me, but lets just say for the rest of my life I'll always know what her motives are. I lost a lot of time when I was a kid, not that I was entitled to it.

One thing that has helped me a ton when reflecting on my blue pill days, with all the anger and bitterness and wasted time, is this:

"You are not entitled to a happy childhood."

When I reflect on this I feel really good and proud of myself for realizing this, and just thankful that I found TRP when I did.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (4 children)

e I'll always know what her motives are. I lost a lot of time when I was a kid, not that I was entitled to it.

You WERE entitled to it. And yes your mother (and everyone else) brainwashed you.

"You are not entitled to a happy childhood."

If this gives you peace then great. But all kids should have a happy childhood.

[–]MrBellsprout123 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You don't get to decide what kids should and should not get. No you are not entitled to a happy childhood, you are entitled to nothing in this world.

I believe you to be brainwashed more than me, telling little children that they're entitled to happiness is exactly what the feminist narrative teaches you.

"You are entitled to a happy childhood, and if you don't have one, its not your fault and you got screwed over."

This is not true, you are not entitled to anything. You have to work, for everything, even if you're a child. I could have ignored the feminist narrative, sure they fed it to me, but nobody made me buy into it. Nobody put a gun to my head and made me drive women to their boyfriends house just so they could get fucked, and then make me pick them up. Nobody put a gun to my head and made me do that, I did that all on my own. Nobody made me believe women when they told me to be a nice guy, I did that all on my own. Nobody made me buy into the feminist brainwashing, I did all of that on my own. I take 100% ownership of my miserable and depressing childhood, and it is 100% my fault. There's about a 1000 things I could have done differently.

All kids should have a happy childhood

What if making the children happy means raping their younger sister? What if making them happy means beating the shit out of smaller kids? I bet that 16 year old is really happy when she gets plated by the 25 year old drug dealer. Just because it makes you happy doesn't mean its good for you, or good for other people, and you are certainly not entitled to it. I think you need to put a little more thought into your opinions.

Sure it sounds good to say that all kids should have a happy childhood, and everyone will clap and everyone will like you, everyone will talk about what a nice guy you are, because its an approved point of view, but its simply not true. Don't be that guy.

You are entitled to nothing, not even life, not even the air you breathe or the water you drink, you are not entitled to parents, you are not entitled to a father, you are not entitled to a mother, you are entitled to nothing. ALL of these things are a gift from life to you. The moment you believe to be entitled to these things, is the moment you've lost. I feel very sorry for people who believe they are entitled to these things. Being grateful is a much better feeling than being entitled. One is an appreciation of the things in your life, the second is an undeserved sense of standard of living.

For thousands of years the mortality rate for babies was very high, now its very low. Regardless of your childhood, you should be happy you had one at all, a lot of people didn't.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Nobody made me believe women when they told me to be a nice guy, I did that all on my own.

I don't buy this.

I don't hold you or any other man (or me) responsible for the brainwashing we got. We're all social creatures. It's not our fault we were misled by everyone around us.

Just because it makes you happy doesn't mean its good for you, or good for other people, and you are CERTAINLY not entitled to it.

Look, noone is saying "be happy at all costs even if that means raping your younger sister", that's just silly.

But all normal children absolutely should have a happy and normal childhood. That's practically the bedrock of any civilised society and something we should all strive for.

[–]MrBellsprout123 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm not saying that we shouldn't strive for that. All I'm saying is that you are not entitled to it. If you had a happy childhood that's great, but if you didn't, you still have a lot to be thankful for, food, water, security, a decent education, we take these things for granted but for most of human history acquiring these things was a real struggle.

I don't hold you or any other man (or me) responsible for the brainwashing we got. We're all social creatures. It's not our fault we were misled by everyone around us.

You're not going to hold ANYONE responsible for this? How can you say that? Someone is certainly responsible for this. So its nobodies fault that you were lied to your entire childhood? Fuck that man, someone is definitely at fucking fault. Its my mother fault, my fathers, societies, but most of all it was my fault. If someone tells you to jump off a bridge because if you do you can fly, and you do it, and you die. That is YOUR fault. Why would you believe a man who told you that? We were deceived, but it was our fault we were deceived, until men start taking ownership of their mistakes, they will never be men in my opinion. Anyone who doesn't believe it was there fault that they were brainwashed is not a man at all. Take some ownership of your mistakes and life.

It was certainly your fault. Whether you're responsible for it, or me, or society, is irrelevant and meaningless, pointing fingers doesn't solve the problem, you can't control other people, the only one you can control is yourself. Nobody made you believe the TV screen when it told you to be a nice guy, you did that all on your own. If you're not going to own up to your mistakes in life, how do you expect to own up to your achievements?

I recommend you read the book "Extreme Ownership" by Jocko Willink.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're not going to hold ANYONE responsible for this? How can you say that? Someone is certainly responsible for this

I don't hold anyone responsible for being on the RECEIVING end of the brainwashing. There are plenty of guilty parties DOING it. Mostly women, some men too.

I recommend you read the book "Extreme Ownership" by Jocko Willink

I get your point, but not everything that happens to us is our fault. We are born as we are, we are told what we are told. We are born into a society thousands of years old, well developed at knowing who we are and how to manipulate us. We are hardly to blame for being manipulated to serve women from birth.

[–]LymanRP 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Great post. One of my biggest TRP turning points was to fully recognize that women WANT to be sexual, and that it is good for me to be sexual as an attractive, confident man. So many years of BP programming had me being friendly with women, afraid to joke/flirt/touch for fear of being labeled as creepy, etc. I can think of a handful of women from high school through my early 20's who in hindsight were basically throwing themselves at me but old school BP me was afraid to make a move.

When in doubt, escalate and assume attraction. Be sexual and don't be ashamed of it. You don't apologize when you're hungry and you need a bite to eat, nor when you're thirsty and you need a drink. Sex is a biological need. Be sexual and don't apologize for it.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can think of a handful of women from high school through my early 20's who in hindsight were basically throwing themselves at me but old school BP me was afraid to make a move.

Oh god youre triggering flashbacks to highschool me

I was so fucking stupid its mind boggling

[–]DM112090 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Makes me happy to know there are so many sociologically observant men on here.

Your part on men being conditioned not to "creep women out" hit the nail on the head.

Women want to feel wanted.

Relevant story. Plate I took years ago - real dirty talker - asks me right in the thick of hitting it: "You jerk off to me? Yeah?"

I turned her over into doggy and didn't say a word. I was gonna start laughing otherwise. She was the mousiest, most timid girl in my sights.

But do you see what it reveals? Women want to be wanted.

It is programmed into them first to be the object of men's desire, and second, to hate our dominion over them.

[–]SJHammer points points [recovered]

Ive said that sooooo many times "I dont want to be creepy"

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 20 points21 points  (10 children)

"You always seem to get through to me." -- A young lass I would summon for sex dates from time to time. She would tell me how she didn't really like sex but somehow I managed to get past that and get her into the mood.

"He's disgusting. He begs for sex. I can't stand it." -- Same lass talking about her finance (yeah, didn't know about him at first). He was not an unattractive guy at all, but he begged for sex. BEGGED. The only words about sex she got from me was a warning of what was going to happen to her.

The vast majority of women are what's called "sexually responsive." They actually don't want sex or even enjoy it until it is actually happening to them, and then they fucking love it. You need to carry them across that threshold. It starts with attraction. It moves through physically taking command of their bodies (consensually, of course, but still with certainty and strength). It ends with you pounding her delicate parts.

[–]1Sir_Distic 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Bull. The vast majority of women under 30 LOVE sex. They want it as often as men do. They have been taught by society not to ask for it or act like they want it.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Uh huh. They do, but you need to get them there. There is a lot of science behind the difference between sexually spontaneous, which most men are, and sexually responsive, which most women are.

[–]nattyX 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Well written but not true. Women love being impaled by cock. A large majority of women want sex just as much if not more than men.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 2 points3 points  (2 children)

They want you to take them there. They don't start there. You miss the point.

[–]nattyX -1 points0 points  (1 child)

They don't start there.

No. A lot start there, take you there, finish, and want seconds. Are you implying women don't initiate?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The VAST MAJORITY of women are what's called "sexually responsive."

Initiating for women usually doesn't involve them running at you with a spread pussy

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If they are with a really needy guy and the sex isn't good at all she's rarely going to want it.

Conversely if she's with a guy who constantly makes her cum, guess what, she always wants it.

[–]nattyX 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Conversely if she's with a guy who constantly makes her cum, guess what, she always wants it.

Precisely. If you know what you're doing and are a natural, you can bring out the nympho in any woman.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then you are in agreement with max_peenor.

Women love being impaled by cock but only from the men who do it right and don't turn her off. That's what he meant by their drives being "sexually responsive." Yes, some women in their neutral stage of not actively being banged are more horny than others. Though there are also women who don't even maturate yet become nymphos when they start having good sex. My ex was one such woman.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The vast majority of women are what's called "sexually responsive." They actually don't want sex or even enjoy it until it is actually happening to them, and then they fucking love it.

I've actually experienced that with both of the women that I've had on a regular basis. Each of them said that they've never had so much sex before they met me, and they had no idea that their drive was so high. That's when I realized that their sexdrives were directly controlled by the guy they were sleeping with.

[–]slothsenpai 14 points15 points  (1 child)

This has been by far one of the more ground-breaking things for me when swallowing the pill. Even the intelligent, successful, upper class girls love being objectified who admit to me later that my sexually charged conversations turned them on, even after she seemed a bit apathetic/bored when I initially had polite conversations with her from the beginning.

Even to this day, it's hard to unlearn most of this shit since if you're with a girl who's deemed "too pretty", you might suddenly get intimidated and refrain from sex talk in fear of "disrespecting" her.

[–]PM_ME_SOLILOQUIES 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does a sexually charged conversation entail?

[–]jumpinglane 19 points20 points  (3 children)

wanna know the secret to attracting women? treat them like they are NOT sexy, treat them indifferent. Treat them like they are below average for you. They will jump through all kind of hoops to make you care for them, to feel like a woman, a sexual object. only applies with high SMV, of course.

[–]Rudeyyyy 12 points13 points  (0 children)

agreed, you should see yourself as a 10/10 and nothing less. If you have something you don't like about yourself, address it, and fix it. Making women feel like they aren't sexy will make them throw themselves at you almost because they want to feel wanted and want validation.

[–]Duck_H8r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just found this one out, never thought I'd be "own of those jerks" even though I didn't get physically or emotionally involved before splitting up.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This sounds like the hot and cold technique. I've used it to great effect myself. It only works once you have them initially hooked, so I guess if you're super attractive you could start off cold, but most of us should start hot. Then you deprive them of it. Treat them like a man (which they hate). Notice other women. Then when you're at your place you can push her against the wall and she'll already be dripping wet.

[–]CHIPPENDALESIXNINE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Holy shit. Made me have an epiphany. This isn't saying as to go up and "grab me by the pussy". It's telling me to not make the mistake I've been making. I thought back to times where chicks sit too close, talk to close to my face, or grab me by the arm as they say bye or thank you. It's like they're asking to be sexualized. They've been actually making their moves the best they know how and my blue pill ass has been pulling away all those times, as if they got that close to me on accident. Then my body language basically says, "I'm not interested" or "I'm intimidated and your SMV is higher".

I actually remember a specific night where a hot chick offered to salsa with me, I declined because I don't know how, she offered to teach me, but I thought I'd make a fool out of myself. She actually thought I was rejecting her. Dumb ass BP mistakes I'll never make again.

[–]NuclearTruthBomb 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Women are the objects. Men are the objectifiers.

Like any other kind of object, women are attained by the most successful of men. And once they become owned, they are a reflection of their owner, not themselves.

Of course, like high-end wristwatches and sports cars, high-grade women are unattainable to the average Joe Smoe. To purchase one, you must accumulate high value. Then she's free to become "yours", whenever you are buying her or renting.

[–]hornycutiger points points [recovered]

Ahh. The sex trap. I was locked in it for over a decade. Do you really think women want to be sexualized? That's perhaps the one thing almost all men are experts at doing. And women are far more complicated than that. No. Women do not want to be sexualized perse. A woman who wants to be sexualized feels that way not as an inherent or biological instinct, but as a consequence of security and control. Women want a man who can make them feel secure. Protected. And a man who will tell them what to do and exert control over them. Feminists are void of sexual desires. They chaffe at being sexualized. But the control and power they covet for women, makes them miserable sexually, and for good reason. Sex is a gift women give, and a power they hold, but it's only given to men who will give them what they want. Provide security, safety, money, and control of a relationship, and they will become sexualized. That doesn't mean beat them and treat them like crap, but it means being a man. Take a LTR for example. Some say they never work. In the beginning, a woman falls in love (lust because they don't really love like men do), because a man initially DOES NOT LOVE them. Once that man falls in love with them, they will cease being sexual. The man then goes from intriguing mate to a conquored and worthless person. IF the man can keep from falling in love with the girl, the relationship can last as long as he's satisfied with her. And it will last until the man wonders. Feminism strikes at the core of what makes men desirable for women, but in reality it hurts them more than anything men can do to them. Confidence, control, assertiveness, while maintaining emotional apathy (not falling in love), will drive women nuts. I can go on and on about the real-world experiences I have had to back this up. This is a very good post, but the rabbit hole is a lot deeper than that.

[–]Docbear64 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, the most interesting thing I've experienced as I've become more experienced with women is the ones who complain about men who catch feelings for them and how attracted they become to you when you don't fall head over heels for them like other men .

I never thought about it but it is the absolute opposite of everything I grew up being taught about women and yet the more women I meet the more I know with this "affliction" of men hopelessly falling in love with them when all she really wanted to do was have a regular dick to sit on every so often .

[–]samureyejacque 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree with this. I see your comment getting downvoted but my own experiences speak to the validity of this.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women want to be sexualized by a man of appropriate SMV. They don't want to be sexualized by Betas, they're evolutionary dead ends.

Why make something so simple, so complicated?

[–]Lildoc_911 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've seen it work first hand. This guy who's mutual friends in my close network used to go after every girl. EVERY girl. He'd get laughed at, drinks dumped on him, kicked out of bars...but he always had a woman on his side. The ones that he kept around we fucking hot as hell too.

He wasn't faithful for shit. They would tell our network that he was a shitbag, they wanted to leave, or never see him again. They still go to his apartment to get fucked.

We stopped calling him a dog and started calling him a wolf. Dude was very overt about his intentions. Fucking.

[–]_MysticFox points points [recovered]

What's the difference between properly applying this and a girl feeling like you're a sleaze and only into her for her looks?

[–]1Sir_Distic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women are fully capable and willing to let a guy know she finds him creepy or not interested. She'll let you know.

Go for it, touch her. If she's not interested no big deal. There are other women out there who want your touch. As for the last part: Only into her for her looks. Tell me what else she has to offer...

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuck yeah they do...for women Being DESIRED is the Orgasm.

Of course standard rules apply: Be attractive, don't be unattractive, etc.

[–]livel0bster 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is why grabbing them by the pussy isn't a bad thing. THEY WANT IT

[–]TyrannicalWill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Finally PUA stuff that isn't actually crap. Good job OP.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

of course they love being sexualized. just today i was rolling with my boy and saw a few girls running on a long street. all pretty good looking. they were all separate and good distance from each other. so we honked as we passed each one. every one of them smiled at us, and one of them waived and gave me thumbs up when i made a gesture with my hands insinuating that her ass is in great shape.

[–]yomo86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For a woman, the only thing worse than being regarded just as a disposable piece of meat is not being regarded as a piece of meat, at all.

[–]Mckallidon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What most people don't understand is time and place. Women want to be sexualized, but only in certain contexts. This is why cat calling fails but being a dick one on one works.

[–]Mr_Dead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's as simple as this. Finding a mate isn't like hunting where you stalk the prey you want. It's like fishing. You throw out your hook and see what you catch. Either keep it or throw it back. If you're not catching anything you're not using the right bait. First decide what you want. Then bait your hook accordingly.

[–]godofcatsandgoodfood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Red Pill should be about using the societal ideology surrounding sex to get laid, not trying to reassure yourself that you have value because women like you.

Women, men, all of you can go to hell. I don't give a rat's ass what society thinks sex is. All I care about is can I game the system.

It shouldn't matter to you whether feminists are right or wrong, the Red Pill isn't about right and wrong, it's about getting laid. Personally, I like fucking feminists because they rationalize sex as something good rather than something dutiful, dutiful docile women just lie there and let you fuck them.

Don't let your self esteem (aka "society points") get in the way of a good lay.

[–]throwawayhehah points points [recovered]

Oh my fucking god. What the fuck?

not being afraid of being in her same space, as most dudes are

Are you fucking serious right now? Why the fuck are you afraid to be in the same space as another woman? Are you afraid she's gonna jump at you and kill you? NEWS FOR YOU MY LITTLE BROTHER: IF YOU ARE ALONE WITH A WOMAN, CHANCES ARE, SHE IS THE ONE WHO IS AFRAID OF YOU. If you are alone with a woman, instead of making sexual jokes and comments or whatfuckingever, try to start a conversation about the weather, about television, about the music you two like, about the movies and shows you two like, ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE THAN HER APPEARANCE. I swear, I fucking swear to you that 90% chance that you will get her number or facebook or her snapchat or whatever the fuck you use.

not shying away from talk of sex, sexually charged jokes and similar topics

No, dude. If you make sexually charged jokes to a woman you've never talked to before, SHE WILL NOT ENJOY IT, SHE WILL BE SCARED OF YOU, SHE WILL GET AWAY FROM YOU. If you talk about sex with a woman you've never talked before, again: SHE WILL NOT ENJOY IT, SHE WILL BE SCARED OF YOU, SHE WILL GET AWAY FROM YOU.

in general, showing through words and actions that you know full well she's a sexual creature who wants to be sexually attractive

Dude, no. Just... no. Fucking. No. If you have a certain level of intimacy with a woman, if BOTH OF YOU have talked about being SEXUALLY INTERESTED in each other, you know, IF BOTH OF YOU GAVE CONSENT, then it's absolutely okay to show through words and actions that. IF YOU DON'T HAVE INTIMACY WITH A WOMAN AND IF SHE DIDN'T GAVE YOU CONSENT THAT SHE WANTS THAT, YOU CAN'T FUCKING SHOW THROUGH WORDS AND ACTIONS THAT YOU KNOW SHE'S A "SEXUAL CREATURE. That's called sexual harassment. Even if you don't agree with that. Even if you think she wants to hear sexual comments about her, she doesn't. It's sexual harassment. Period.

This post is completely gross. This whole sub is gross. WOMEN DO NOT FUCKING WANT TO BE SEXUALIZED. I can speak for at least 90% of women out there that THEY DO NOT FUCKING WANT THAT. And the fact that hundreds of men think like that makes me scared, makes me really, really scared.

What the fuck is wrong with you people? What the fuck is wrong about coming to a woman, saying "Hello, I think you are pretty." Why the fuck do you need to show that you are sexually attracted to her by comments and actions? You can't fucking do that. You need that famous thing called Consent™.

I have heard so many stories from so many women who have heard sexual comments or actions about them and felt completely scared and helpless. This post, this sub, you people are the reason men feel entitled to make gross comments about women's bodies; why when a woman doesn't respond to this type of comments, they get violent; why when a woman says no to a man, they keep insisting because well, she wants that, doesn't she?

No, guys. She doesn't want that.

You are men. Men don't know what women wan, women know what women want.

Women say they don't want to be sexualized then don't fucking sexualize women because THEY FUCKING SAID THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SEXUALIZED

That's it. You can go on with your life now and not getting laid because you are fucking gross. Bye.

[–]damaged_goods420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whew I can hear your heavy breathing from here