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Field ReportMake audio recordings of your sexual encounters (self.TheRedPill)

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For liability reasons, I've always had a voice recorder behind my bed to record the audio of all my sexual encounters with women. I've had a lot of online hookups and reading about all the horrible stories of false rape accusations has me taking precautions to protect myself. This week, it paid off.

Here's the story.

This one girl I met through Bumble was throwing out suspicious signs. She was a 20-year-old single mom and steered our initial conversation to my career. She definitely seemed like she was looking for a sugar daddy and her profile said she "wanted a guy who has his life together and would treat her like a princess". She drove in from a town over an hour away to do drinks with me so I knew that she was planning on staying the night.

Now for some background about myself, I'm finishing up my master's degree, and in about a month, I'll be permanently leaving the city I currently live in to start medical school in another state. I didn't mention this fact to her until after we'd already had sex because I knew it would throw everything off. I ended up casually mentioned this to her the morning after, and she predictably flipped out. She started screaming about how she was drunk the night before and I took advantage of her.

I kept my cool and didn't mention anything about the recording device. Last thing I needed was for her to fuck with it in any way. I just needed her to keep talking to dig herself into a hole. Note that the recorder was still recording from last night so everything she was saying during her tantrum was all on tape. I let her do most of the talking, but I steered the conversation to her basically admitting that she wanted to have sex the night before but was now upset about it because she found out I was leaving. Bingo.

No accusations yet, but I'm confident I'll be covered if, on the off chance, she does try. Something gives me the feeling she's been pumped and dumped before so this can't be all too new for her :)

Funny part about all this is that I'm broke as hell. I'd be a terrible sugar daddy right now because I won't be making any real money until I'm almost 30.

Here are details about how I do it.

  • I purchased a dedicated voice recorder and set it behind my printer on the table next to my bed. The one I use looks like this, but there are plenty of other ones that are cheaper and have better microphones. Mine's almost 10 years old at this point so I'm sure there's something better out there by now, even though audio recording technology probably hasn't changed much.

  • I have a 64GB SD card which is enough for 1000+ hours of recording. I simply set the recorder to record before I go out and let it run throughout the night. The battery life is almost 24 hours so doing this isn't an issue. If you have one with lower battery life, get a cheap external USB battery pack which can extend the battery life of the recorder to days/over a week.

  • Using a phone/computer for recording is also an option but you'll likely need a special external microphone because the microphones built into these devices aren't built for capturing audio in a room.

Other Notes

  • When things are getting hot and heavy, I say in a joking way that the girl has to ask for it nicely if she wants my dick. This is both sexy for her and establishes consent on the recording. The situation doesn't always lead to this, but I make an effort to usually do this.

  • It's much better if you live in a one-party recording consent state. These states require that only one person in the conversation knows that a recording is taking place for it to be legally admissible. Other states are two-party states and require that both parties are aware if a recording is taking place. Even if you live in a two-party state, I still suggest you make a recording because it can't hurt. It won't be admissible in court, but it'll be a useful tool to deter the girl if she tries pulling something later. If you live in a two-party consent state, do not reveal that you have a recording to her over any traceable means. Only mention it or play it for her in person after you've made a copy for safekeeping. As far as I know, it's a felony if you record a conversation without the other person's knowledge in a two-party consent state.

  • After having sex, think of a reason to have the girl send you a text message later in the day. I usually feign interest in whatever pet she has and tell her to send me a picture when she gets home. This provides more physical proof that we were on good terms after having sex.

  • In retrospect, I could have avoided all this drama if I'd kept my dick in my pants and not banged a gold-digger, regardless of how attractive she was.


[–][deleted] 220 points221 points  (25 children)

20 year old single mother? Dude, that was your first mistake.

[–][deleted] 111 points112 points  (22 children)

20 y/o single mothers can be hot asf. He wasn't looking for a LTR anyways.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

Can confirm. She was gorgeous. Regret it now though.

[–]Herdsengineers 46 points47 points  (6 children)

No matter how hot she is, some other guy already got tired of fucking her. There's a reason.

[–]plaaya 10 points11 points  (1 child)

It's too much work sometimes

[–]maniclurker 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm sure you have a point to make in there somewhere. It's probably not a good one, but you can try.

[–]spacedogg 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No matter how hot she is, someone, somewhere, is sick of her shit.

[–]deville05 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah we all get bored. There is nothing special about it

[–]BillyBones8 27 points28 points  (7 children)

Yeah but they are obviously fucked in the head.

[–]u-r-silly 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Don't stick your dick in crazy. People say that often for a fucking good reason. And a 20yo mother who let her baby (to who?) for a night and drive for over an hour for a fuck is obviously going to be batshit insane.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll still stick my dick in them, I gotta learn to not fall in love with anyone with a pretty face who will give me the time of day. That's why I'm browsing red pill all the time lately

[–]xx69bootyhunter69xx 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Doesn't the vagina look really ugly though after delivery of kids?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not always. My last girlfriend has one kid but her vag was one of the nicest I've ever had

[–]epistemic_humility 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cab confirm low twenties single moms can be bombshells just don't wife em up and take care of somebody else's progeny.

[–]BillyBones8 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I would have stopped talking to her when I found that out. I don't need that in my life even if it is just a one night stand.

[–]menial_optimist 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Imagine if there were giant billboards with the message "Mothers, teach your daughters not to report rape falsely" in public? Many people would be calling for executions.

[–]Toolman890 37 points38 points  (2 children)

100%. The media tried to mock Gable Tostee (guy whose tinder date fell from his balcony) for making recordings and calling him a creep for recording everything.. yet it was the recording that saved him from going to prison.

[–]grindinaway 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It was hilarious to watch it play out in the local paper. Making out like he must be guilty because he went straight to his lawyer before the police. He played it very smart, including not taking the stand during the trial.

[–]theONE843663 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He was practicing his Constitution​al right to shut the fuck up. Nothing wrong about that. Talking to police don't go well even if you're innocent. Pigs are never there to help you they are there to line up their pockets.

[–]Exactly_what_I_think 207 points208 points  (21 children)

1 vs 2 party consent states only comes into play when there is an expectation of privacy.

There is no expectation of privacy in your home.

Record on. Don't share it unless you NEED it and then with your lawyer.

I use a GoPro in dash cam mode to record all interactions.

[–]-MAurelius- 39 points40 points  (10 children)

There's no expectation of privacy in someone's home?

[–]Exactly_what_I_think 47 points48 points  (9 children)

Yes / no.

If cops wouldn't need a warrant to record you don't need to inform.

You can record anything in your home / car. You can record anything in your presence. EX: Cellphone recording in your pocket OR in your pants lying next to her bed.

You however can't leave a recording device behind in a place that's not yours. EX: Leaving your phone recording in your bosses office after you are asked to leave.

1 vs 2 party consent states. Wiretapping AKA phone calls. You can record your side in all states. In 2 party stats you would need to inform not get permission from the other party. EX: Pickup while they are leaving a voicemail.

[–]Luis_McLovin 10 points11 points  (4 children)

you can record if you answer while they leave voice mail, i didn't know that

[–]jacurtis 5 points6 points  (2 children)

You'd also have to own an answering machine, and convince them to call the phone with the answering machine instead of your cell phone.

[–]Luis_McLovin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah it's effort. i only use the smart phone. landlines go the way of the dodo

[–]Blunter-S-Thompson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A voicemail inherently is a recording, so by actively calling someone and then leaving a voicemail, you are giving your consent to be recorded.

Because the caller clearly knows they are being recorded and there is no other party to the call, voicemails are always legally recorded and can be used without threat of prosecution. This is true under both state and federal law.

[–]sickofallofyou 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It depends on who has the expectation of privacy. A chick at your place doesn't. She does at her place or in a hotel.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You however can't leave a recording device behind in a place that's not yours. EX: Leaving your phone recording in your bosses office after you are asked to leave.

A metalic squink...

[–]Exactly_what_I_think 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep! That's what i was thinking when I wrote that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can we record it with a hidden camera as well? As long as it's my house? Or is video a different ballgame?

[–]lukky_pierre 31 points32 points  (4 children)

There is no expectation of privacy in your home.

Depends on a lot of factors. Regardless, the question is: would you rather get nailed for being a rapist, or for being an eavesdropper? I'll take eavesdropper.

[–]thomascoopers 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I'd imagine what the 1 vs 2 party laws entails is whether or not a recording is admissible in court as evidence of your innocence - that's what you'd take into account when bothering to record audio on your person.

If the recording was illegally obtained, you won't be able to use it as evidence.

[–]rp_tsukaisute 8 points9 points  (0 children)

IANAL, but I've been told by one in a different context:

  • no, it's not admissible as evidence of innocence.

  • yes, it's admissible as evidence of perjury.

Which means, as best I can tell, as soon as the false accusation is made, the tape goes into evidence, and the person's case goes bye bye. And then you'll face a fine for wiretapping.

edit: lawyer's being lawyers, I highly doubt it's actually this simple.

[–]lukky_pierre 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You are right. I would still put such a tape to prove my innocence in the court of popular opinion.

[–]anothdae 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think there is still value though... you can always tell her that there is a tape before it goes to trial. She might / probably won't bother with if it she knows there is evidence of her making a false rape accusation.... she will change tactics.

Worth the chance either way.

[–]Ryanami 60 points61 points  (10 children)

What the fuck. If I were single I'd be MGTOW, this shit is ridiculous.

[–]samenrofringslikeLBJ points points [recovered]

In Sweden, rape-laws have been remade to say that there needs to be expressly pronounced consent in the form of a Yes or No question. Lack of a "no" is no longer enough to protect you against false accusations, because courts werent getting the conviction rates desired (news flash, the left wants 100% of rape cases to be guilty verdicts). Don't worry though, it gets crazier because identity-politics + post-colonialism = fun feminist times.

Look at the the recent gang rape wave of arab migrants, lot's of cases from 2012-present have been published with full testimony and stuff. In many of those cases, migrant rapists are being cleared of guilt because the woman can't specify in what order the rape was done, in who put what body part in what orifice. I read a case where like 7 dudes aged between like 18-40 raped this one swedish guy, then an 8th dude comes in and chases everybody away before himself raping her a final time. The DNA evidence was sperm samples that they had left on eachothers genitalia. Where is the outrage? Oh yeah, there is none, because the lesson is that if you are a white man struggling and making your way in this world, you are worth less than some camelfucker, its not about rape.

[–]maniclurker 8 points9 points  (1 child)

That shit twists my guts just thinking about it... on so many levels.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Racism of lower expectations.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yup, you can see that in the other guys comment too, bullshit like "they dont know" or "their culture is different" or bla bla. That is the real racism. But public discourse on sexual crime is going to be ruined for the forseeable future because of it. Because people are using the phenomenon of migrant brutal gang rape to accuse regular guys who pulled home a woman from the club of the same crime.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The left most likely will, they will blame everything and anyone rather than their pet refugees.

I almost agree with them in a way. I do hold third world savages to lower expectations. This is exactly how I expect them to behave in a civilised country when allowed to arrive en masse - the left understands this as well. Where we differ is whether to let them in or not and whether to judge them​ by a lesser standard or not.

The traitorous leftists that let the savages in, knowing the havoc they would bring with them and refusing to implement their own laws justly , can be hung drawn and quartered.

[–]Ihaveonequestion -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Interesting but if everyone is held to the same standard then how is this anti white men when it also disadvantages the many well integrated men of color in Sweden? Especially considering the number of Swedish women who prefer to date or exclusively date Arab / North African men (I've read this is because they are often more conventionally masculine than Swedish men and of course there is the factor of exoticism). In fact, if there is any country in the world that could successfully get its men to ask for explicit verbal consent for sex it is Sweden as todays adult Swedish man has grown up in a social climate which cultivates such notions as somewhat normal or at least within reason. Now a first generation immigrant to Sweden on the other hand is both less likely to affirm consent the Swedish way (because he either doesn't know to or thinks it's fucking stupid) and more likely to be accussed (i.e. if the girl is embarrassed / regretful after the fact and the guy is less likely to be able to legally articulate himself in court) and convicted (because racism). So while you could argue this law is anti men in that it inconveniences / degrades all men I wouldn't be surprised if in practice and from a legal (conviction rate) perspective it ends up disproportionately disadvantaging honest dark men. Just a thought.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

less likely to affirm consent the Swedish way (because he either doesn't know to or thinks it's fucking stupid

And you seem to be exactly the kind of man that votes with the feminists, because this is exactly one of the reasons they reference as to why Arabs should be treated more lenient by the courts. "They don't know you cant rape people here, we need an anti-rape education", which surprise surprise, is forced upon regular people as well who would never sexually assault a woman. Because, again, the feminists don't care about real rape, they simply are looking to invent mechanisms to tell young white men that they are worse than camelfuckers.

Go and read the court cases, one of the female victims had been initially approached by an arab via facebook saying: "One Night Stand Up?". The power of the hamster turns this from a creepy stalker with a rapey vibe into "He seemed like a charming man" by her own fucking testimony. They then gangraped her to the point of medical damage. That has nothing to do with "not knowing consent" and everything with being from a backwards violent monkey culture.

[–]Ihaveonequestion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By

less likely to affirm consent the Swedish way

I did not mean stuff like

They then gangraped her to the point of medical damage

I meant affirmation of consent as would be described by the average westernized non Swede. I think I made that pretty clear but you are too racist to acknowledge it as evidenced by your willingness to ignore chunks of my argument and then use a one off hyperbolic incident as a straw man.

[–]LOLMUFFINLOL 43 points44 points  (1 child)

its sad that we even have to do this..

[–]gnarlycaviar points points [recovered]

Although this topic's been discussed before, I think this is the safest way to go about it. It does seem a bit overkill, but better safe than sorry. Great guide!

[–]noct3rn4l 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is not overkill. It's actually really good advice for any dudes who do casual hookups.

[–]8n0n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Although this topic's been discussed before, I think this is the safest way to go about it. It does seem a bit overkill, but better safe than sorry. Great guide!

/u/noct3rn4l is right.

This is not overkill. It's actually really good advice for any dudes who do casual hookups.

Although traumatised from the whole ordeal (2 years sweating on a trial with that much media attention and xx years imprisonment if found guilty would do that IMHO), Gable Tostee was spared from a murder conviction thanks to his audio recording.

No thread on this topic seems complete without mentioning balcony bro (body building forum, misc section).

Read this post at own risk and presume this has been modified by Reddit Inc

[–]AndHaole points points [recovered]

A bunch of red flags and you went for it anyway? Why even mention you were leaving? Sounds like you are seeking out trouble to me.

Save the drama fo' yo' mamma.

[–]hermes2611 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A bunch of red flags and you went for it anyway?

My first thought was "Why not? Laid is laid, right?". But then I remembered that old nugget of wisdom, passed down from Red Pill to Red Pill: "Never stick your dick in crazy"

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

Honestly, she seemed pretty chill in the moment, and I figured it wasn't a big deal. I prefer being upfront most of the time. It didn't turn out well, but I did what I thought was for the best in the moment.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Best to be upfront when you're outside your home in a public area or restaurant.

There have been stories on here where a woman basically didn't want to leave a man's apartment and there was very little the man could do. The woman could basically throw a tantrum and start breaking shit, but if the man touches her, he's going to jail.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

Good thing I had an audio recording. If she started pulling that shit, I'd get my phone out and do video too.

[–]XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope you got it synced to cloud too, in case she hurts you then tries to destroy the phone

[–]voraciousparticles 5 points6 points  (0 children)

[–]freedomman0 points points [recovered]

You can't record people unknowingly if they are in your home using the bathroom? Can you?

[–]1Sir_Distic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most laws regarding recording people have language talking about "Reasonable expectation of privacy" or similar. Which is why you can record someone walking down the street, but not discreetly in certain areas without consent.

[–]RoxoViejo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can if it's your house, but I'd always check my state's laws to be sure.

[–]Raikkonen716 16 points17 points  (6 children)

I think a hidden camera is also another good solution.

Anyway, it's crazy that a man has to do this kind of things in order to be safe. Luckily enough i don't live in the Us, and in my country (Italy) there haven't been many cases of false rape accusation.

[–]Johnnyvile 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I thought about that before just to cover your ass. But then I thought you could get in some shit if you had to show the police or investigators if the woman lied. It's like yeah you have the proof but it may make you look like a creep and they can use that against you as some deviant. Or she will press charges for recording her without consent. Almost no good way around this shit, you just have to hope she isn't crazy.

[–]anothdae 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Id rather the police thought I was a creep than get prosecuted for rape.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

If you can hide it, I'm all for a video camera. You can always just turn over the audio and not reveal you have video. Can't hurt to go the extra step.

[–]theONE843663 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And if the audio is not cutting it in court, the video will def demonstrate consent. It's a good idea to keep video aswell.

[–]5t3fan0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sai che a volte mi chiedo se in una decina d'anni le femminazi arriveranno anche qui da noi? purtroppo sembra un trend di tutti i paesi del primo mondo...

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

wanted a guy who has his life together and would treat her like a princess

This wasn't a big enough red flag for you?

Hilarious that she flipped out and blames you when she didn't get what she wanted though :)

Good tips on the voice recorder.

[–]yummyluckycharms 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I'm a big believer in asking for forgiveness is better than asking for permission.

People often think that recording (both audio and visual) is not necessary - I would point out to them the recent case of a white knight feminist star jian ghomeshi. This douche was accused of non consensual sex by his pump and dumps, and was only saved thanks to having made audio/video recordings and keeping the texts of his encounters. If this guy felt that it was necessary, despite being a feminist and having access to a high powered legal team, why do people think the average joe doesnt need it?

I currently have three wireless pinhole cameras in my house that stream 24/7 that also records audio. They weren't cheap but they were definitely worth it just for the peace of mind. One of my friends got accused of rape just last month, and is finding out now that the legal system in canada is guilty until proven innocent and not the other way around. The cops dont really care about the text convo despite them proving his innocence - which is baffling

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

Cops aren't supposed to care so that's not surprising. Their job is to build a case against you, not help you out. Why is he talking to the cops in the first place? Rule #1 is to never talk to police. Only talk to your lawyer.

[–]yummyluckycharms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree - he shouldn't be talking to cops - but most guys are idiots until they've been burned, or seen others, burned by the system at least once.

On the other hand, the cops are basically wasting their time with this case as if it does get escalated and my friend gets a competent judge, its unlikely they will secure a prosecution. Not that it wont destroy my friends life, or waste government resources, or distract the cops from actually catching real criminals (like the false accuser).

Its one of the reasons as to why feminism is often referred to as being a parasitic instead of a symbiotic relationship. It feeds off the host till the host becomes nothing but a husk and yet offers little positive reward to the organism that adopts it.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I usually film and they like it

[–]thechaosz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I make video or audio.....for science

[–]themanbat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My motto in avoiding false accusations is anyone worth fucking is worth fucking thrice. A lot of girls will feel used if you just hit it and quit it. Perhaps understandably so. Fucking a girl and moving on is a cheap tawdry affair in a woman's eyes. And if she doesn't consider herself cheap and tawdry she's going to be tempted to paint you as the bad guy. Two or three repeat engagements isn't being used though. It's a hot summer fling, or a whirlwind romance to be looked back fondly on. So fuck em at least thrice gentleman. It's the classy thing to do. Haha.

If you are worried about the recording consent issue, consider posting a notice that the premises are under audio or video surveillance. It may deter break ins, and most people won't worry about it and won't assume it includes the entire premises. But legally they have been informed.

[–]DM112090 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You may have saved a few lives today, fella.

I hope the class was listening.

EDIT: The sheer amount of biteback OP has been receiving is shameful. This is legal gold. How many of you complain about a justice system being manipulated to put men behind bars on lies? Protect yourselves. All of you.

[–]jamesbwbevis 17 points18 points  (7 children)

Lol, just jerk off. It's not worth this shit

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

If you want to live your life that way, go for it.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Living your life with a tape recorder under your bed doesn't sound much better.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

Worth it to me. If you want to live your life another way, go for it. Do you.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

The amount of keeping yourself you have to do in America and western country's is immense.

Stay safe and legal and do you, think about the guy that just got fucked over by the mattress girl. Where for the rest of his life if you Google him, a rape charge pops up.

I make decent money, and three times that women have said that I've gotten them pregnant, and since my vasectomy I just laugh and laugh

[–]1Sir_Distic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Did you take a sterility test after the first one? I've had the V. I think I'd get retested if a girl said she was pregnant. Just to be sure. There is a 5% chance it can reconnect on it's own.

Plus having paperwork can be taken to court if she pushes for support.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The first one was before I was snipped I was young dumb and full of cum, and I liked getting laid without a condom and this was pre red pill me, and I got super lucky because she wasn't.

Got snipped and yeah, after each time I got checked again.

[–]BillyBones8 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Right? Once I heard "20yr single mom" I would have stopped talking to her. No pussy is worth that headache.

[–]Lsegundo 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Would you rather have a false rape conviction on your record or unauthorized recording because you defended yourself from rape?

Whats retarded is making a recording to defend yourself is a crime. Making a joke of our courts for petty revenge is not. All it would take is a few of the very worst offenders to be put on trial and this BS would slow way the fuck down. We can't have that though because punishing the female abusers might cause some strong empowered women that have an actual case to be afraid to speak up.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

Well, technically you could have both. If the recording was made illegally you can be charged for it and then go through a rape trial without being allowed to present it.

You're too hotheaded. Think about things carefully before you say/do them.

[–]Lsegundo 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Im not sure what is "hotheaded" about breaking a stupid law to protect yourself from persecution.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It doesn't protect you if you can't use it in court.

[–]1Sir_Distic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Incorrect. Sit down with the girl, her lawyer, your lawyer and you. You play the tape. Her lawyer will say it's not admissible but she'll hear herself say she liked it etc. That may be enough for her to drop the charges/not be a witness.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe, but the point is to be totally secure, not hopefully secure.

[–]ShaboiDoubleA 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You don't need consent to record in your house... (in most states)

[–]benzguy1972 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kangaroo courts are not counting on us to cover all our bases for our own protection. It amazes me to think how many blue-pillers think that it can't happen to them as long as they keep being the "good guy". They are always the first to go.

[–]KingofBetas 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good tip OP, and mucho kudos to you for keep the woman in check.

These good looking and attractive young women with kids, or triple digit n counts are a real shame. I knew of an absolute knockout of a latina chick I was friends with, straight up LTR baby factory material.

Problem is she had 3 fucking kids at 22. Completely used up even before 23, and having this massive expectation of YOU taking care of her kids because she sucks a mean dick. Blow jobs only from chicks like this, you don't want to get someone like that preggers because your life would be over. Low quality plate material at best because you've witnessed first hand after barely knowing her and sleeping with her once she was ready to show you up the river to State Jail.

Can't be too careful.

The whole recording yourself subject to keep your ass out of trouble reminds me a bit of the movie Bonfire of the Vanities with Tom Hanks (not a fan of the guy but solid roll in the flick).

The main character played by Tom Hanks is black-mailed by his mistress for hitting a black man with his car. To give you and idea, cue up the mid 90s SJWs vs. the Wall Street WASPs of Manhattan. I won't spoil the movie but there are a few RP crumbs and lessons.

If you're not a movie guy, the book is a decent read too.

[–]coolmooz 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Deliberately mislead someone for sex and then it's on her for getting upset? lol

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

Never said I was a good person.

[–]8n0n 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Never said I was a good person.

This is just a moral dilemma over a covert contract (No More Mr. Nice Guy).

She expected commitment from you in return for sex, the opposite of the problem detailed in the book (TL/DR: commitment points do not lead to sex).

The moral question here is do you accept the sex given freely while knowingly not granting commitment in turn, or pass on the whole ordeal for someone in it purely for sex.

I prefer the latter myself (more fun/passionate without dealing with the strings afterwards) but wouldn't discount the former depending on the circumstances (yours being ideal, planned change of location and career progress).

Anyone choosing to do the same thing does not owe commitment in turn, just as women do not owe sex to men who offered free commitment (the friend zone). Just be mindful of the risks if she feels badly cheated on the 'deal' and act accordingly.

This post is more for the benefit of anyone that comes across the thread in future, rather than it being of any personal value to you teeefto (my personal opinion: well done).

Read this post at own risk and presume this has been modified by Reddit Inc

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How did he mislead her you fucking retard?

[–]Hviterev 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Record your arguments and tape your sex! Been doing that for a while, saved me when a bitch tried to tell the cops I beat her up after a fight. I made some tea and waited for the police, when they rang on the door I told her that I recorded everything with a big shit eating grin. She was a good girl after that.

[–]thatwaseasy247 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Although the red pill ideologies make me upset, this is probably the smartest idea. Women should do it too. Evidence for both parties.

[–]BonelessSkinless 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is informative and very practical. If women are willing to play games with our lives and livelhihood, something like this would be GOLD in court.

[–]coolmooz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

first of all chill the fuck out, second of all

"I'll be permanently leaving the city I currently live in to start medical school in another state. I didn't mention this until after we'd already had sex because I knew it would throw everything off."

Edit: not that she automatically had a right to know or w/e, he just knew it would matter to her and omitted it in order to get laid. Kinda sad af anyway

[–]Vajesticles 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Anyone know the exact name of the recording device pictured in that link?

[–]thisissparta7963 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These are some genuinely good posts. I always thought about these stuff for a long time since i am into bdsm and can be easily accused of rape. Good work, keep it up.

[–]Gorgatron1968 0 points1 point  (5 children)

In California "california penal 632" One year $2500 for recording without both parties. Best maybe to choose better.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

Best maybe to know the laws of your state. One party consent is all that's needed in 38/50 states.

[–]Gorgatron1968 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Best to no which is which. Oh and by the way that was per incident. So if you were having sex 2-4 times a week and recording it and for some reason the card or storage got found. the tab would be 3 x 52 = 156 years .. steep all I am saying is if you do record it don't keep them all on the same card and maybe store them in a safety deposit box. to avoid these things

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

card or storage got found. the tab would be 3 x 52 = 156 years

Yes because that's how the law works retard. When evidence is found they just rack up the years down at the county jail and throw you in a big pit. /facepalm

if the card got found it'd get uploaded to audioporn subreddit and nothing would ever happen

[–]rombios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ENCRYPT ENCRYPT ENCRYPT

the video. I use Linux and tons of tools for that. Even if you just zip the file - check off flag for password/passphrase - in order words password protect the zipped video file. I often use two or three such programs with different passwords ON THE SAME video

[–]rombios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

go to ebay - for $3 you can buy those yellow "CCTV" "this site is under surveillance" stickers and you have your ass covered. Put stickers in a place thats NOT obvious but "seeable". Under the intercom box in my apt complex serves me well.

Second - when you walk into 7/11, Target, Macys, Kmart, Even your 99c Store - do they ask your permission to video tape the premises?

Third - put at least ONE of the cameras in a place ANYONE can see - like atop my monitor as a webcam. My PC has stealth mode (lights off and fan runs slow or not at all - hardddrive is SSD). When someone asks I say "yeah i skype with my son whenever I can". LEAVE The rest of the cameras HIDDEN - get creative, check the angles

Blind obedience to stupid laws is moronic. Would you rather serve a charge for illegal surveillance or rape? Lesser of two evils and I can almost gurantee you wont serve the full time for the former but you will for the latter.

Fuck the laws guys - PROTECT YOUR NECK

also I wont lie - its fun watching yourself put in "work" ;)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Okay?

And when the accusation hits the news outlets and your name is forever tied to alleged sexual assault do you think whether you were acquitted/charges dropped/case was dropped is going to matter to anyone?

Have you seen the news lately?

[–]1Sir_Distic 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Would you rather have your name dragged through the mud and be a free man or have your name dragged through the mud and spend a decade, or more, in prison?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My point is that you shouldn't be messing with girls who have expectations or even the slightest chance of being crazy.

[–]noct3rn4l 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is really good advice. You never really know what's going on in someone else's mind. Always cover your own ass. In addition to steering the convo to establish consent I'd also recommend you have her confirm her age outloud as well, it's super easy to do just play it off as flirty fun/teasing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I used to have one like that.

Are you sure you can hook it up to your PC? because mine didn't have a USB adaptor for some reason.

[–]Aarxnw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would you avoid banging a gold digger if you knew you'd be covered anyway? Doesn't add any extra stress for you, if she wants to attempt to start something then she's going to end up looking stupid, and she's also going to be facing charges for false accusations (depending on where you live). I'd say it was absolutely worth it.

[–]e4tshit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so...we're not going to get to the part of this post where we start sharing our recordings? Because I know I have a few fucked up ones.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

ever heard of inadmissible evidence?

While your idea seems to be nice, I would not be surprised, when in a worst case, the judges refuse to accept your evidence.

There is a bloody sinister reason why women are "extra protected" by society. Women manage to convince us men that they are helpless, useless, innocent and pitiful creatures. We men who are strong, intelligent, smart and resourceful must protect those cute little things from all the evil of the world.

You my friend, you are evil. You manipulated her into thinking that you would be a good man that takes her and her child under your protecting, supporting and strong shoulders only to deceive her in the end just to satisfy your lowly, basic, animalistics, barbaric insticts.

As if all this was not enough, you also lured her into a trap of insidious proportions. By recording your sinister actions, you shamed and scarred her feeble little mind.

You raped her, twice. Once by luring her into your "Den" with empty promises and second by shaming her with your recordings. By the power vested in me by some JACKASS, I hereby sentence you to suffer the knowledge that you are worth shit as a man. Amen!

This is of course a highly exaggerated example but I am sure reality has allready beaten even this.

Just saying, dont be too sure about it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This isn't 1991. With the internet, all evidence is admissible. If it goes to a trial and the judge disallows it, upload it to a file host in Sweden and send it out in a press release. People can't ignore solid evidence, and the judges/politicians can't ignore the media anymore.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

oh dont get me wrong, evidence like this is logical and reasonable and I like logic and reason as much as the next guy but I have seen things, heard things and I absolutely hate surprises.

I believe in the sanctity of our institutions but I dont believe in the sanctity of those running those institutions.

It was just a word of caution, a possibility however unlikely, nothing more.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

P.S. By the way, I agree with him. When you have numerous sexual relations with different women, especially (but not only) when you are a "high value target", you should make sure you have every evidence you can get your hands on.

[–]rombios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i would give you gold had I any. FUCK the justice system. If i cant submit video evidence to clear my name then she becomes a porn start OVERNIGHT. upload to USENET, FACEBOOK, PORNHUB, EASTERN EUROPEAN SITES, ETC ETC

rape accusation is serious and just the accusation alone is enough to destroy ones standing in this society as you are judged more by the public than the courts.

What is more PUBLIC than the INTERNET. I would upload it to every fricking site I could.

[–]Mckallidon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the two party state shit may not apply if it's to establish what really happened during a sexual encounter as long as you construct the right argument along the lines of "I wasn't recording a conversation". We had a conversation and then went into the bedroom where it was recording like always. If you leave it on all the time nonstop like that and have proof of that you may be able to argue something in your favor, but I truly do not know. Fact is, a good lawyer could probably argue that this situation is not much different than home surveillance. Plus, you may be able to put up a sign that says there is home video/audio surveillance on your door to cover that disclosure. You don't have to tell them where it is and if it is recording or not usually. Just that you may be recorded at any time.

You may even be able to argue that you record yourself having sex and that different intent may recategorize all of it sinking as that wasn't illegal. May bring it down to making any part of the recording that isn't a conversation admissible. It's obvious which sex sounds consensual or not. Of course how any of this conjecture plays out depends on the state, the county, the judge etc.

I like this post. This is the shit we have to do these days. Always be 3 steps ahead. Good job OP.

[–]zen_strong points points [recovered]

Why not just refrain from having sex with strangers? You won't need a voice recorder than and having sex with strangers is as risky as hell. A voice recorder won't do anything for you in the case of accidental pregnancy (which can still happen even if you are using condoms).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

because RP has established that women you know are so much more reliable than women you don't

[–]0kool74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

20 and already a single mother??? Bruh.......you couldn't get hot poon without the ankle biter???

[–]prodigy2throw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bit overkill. Choose your women wisely and be aware of what you're putting your dick into and act accordingly.

You would think women are literally gunning for a rape accusation the way you live your life. Most decent women really don't want to be self branded as a rape victim.

[–]rombios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I posted some months back to the approach my friends and I use - which has been motion capture software running under Linux that encrypts and offloads the video to an external ftp dump (purchase space in countries outside of U.S jurisdiction - eastern european and south asian countries) - for the situations where the police bust in the next day and GRAB your computers - the evidence is outside the house/apt in a remote dump (ENCRYPTED of course to keep it from prying eyes)

either i am able to submit the evidence in court as proof against rape charges or shes going to be a porn star overnight while I face jail time - her choice - should it come to that

its a sad world that its come to this but after my divorce I have had to spend a lot of time rebuilding my sanity and financial standing ... i am not about to make it easy for any female to drag me through the court system over bullshit-next-day-guilt that she cheated on her bf/husband or wasnt happy with what we did

[–]GregorSamsa69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Make audio recordings of your sexual encounters and then listen to them at the gym

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (8 children)

It won't be admissible in court

In some states, it's actually a felony. I'd still consider doing it, but be prepared to trade one conviction for another, if it goes that far. As always, consult with your lawyer.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

It is. I talk about this specifically and what you can do about it in the 2nd bullet point in the "other notes" section.

[–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

As long as you are sure that recording it and presenting it in court won't get you from one problem into the other, go ahead. We're just here to warn you that courts often dismiss such evidence in some countries or even fuck you over.

[–]1htbf 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Do you know how legal it is in Canada?

[–]yomo86 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Even so. Id rather be charged with invasion of privacy which a DA has to be willing to prosecute. Who wants the rep for prosecuting falsly accused men when you need votes to get re-elected? Then having the rest of my life turned upside down because he said, she said.

[–]chewingofthecud -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

If you're concerned about legal liability re: your sexual encounters, you need to be more choosy.

This one girl I met through Bumble was throwing out suspicious signs. She was a 20-year-old single mom and steered our initial conversation to my career.

Confirmation.

Recording your having banged some slut is even more creepy than she is slutty.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

Oh no! What will I ever do now that I'm creepy!

[–]chewingofthecud 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Weep while women run in the opposite direction?

[–]Cunt_Robber 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Was thibking about doing this myself, for the same reasons. This is what it has come down to, gentlemen.

Since this is a sexual subreddit, it wouldn't be weird to ask: was she tight, or loose?

I fucked a 23yo milf a while ago and she was so fucking loose. I mean it still felt good but it was just so easy to slide into her, even a 1/4 erect.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I'm not doing that.

Maybe i was lucky, but I had a tinder girl try accusing me of rape once after she realized I wasn't gonna be her boyfriend, the cop immediately called her on her bs and nothing happened.

He said/she said isn't gonna get them very far. She's gonna need a lot more proof than that.

Recording without their knowledge just seems kinda creepy. If I WAS gonna do that, I guess I'd just go and get a video recorder.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

Oh boy. I'd never want to think of myself as creepy! Gee whiz! You've convinced me.

[–]landon042 5 points6 points  (1 child)

first thing i thought of lol, oh no she's creeped out i have 5 cameras in every possible angle .

at least I'm not harvard dude who's life is over and he thought he had it all.

[–]51m0n points points [recovered]

PSA: Make sure he / she knows you are recording. It's a little harder to explain after the fact. :(

[–]themanbat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Just post a security notice at the front door saying, warning these premises are under audio/video surveillance.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

What? Not at all. Did you even ready my post?

[–]51m0n points points [recovered]

Or don't, it's illegal to record a sexual encounter without both party's permission. Check out Stephanie's law. If you're not comfortable asking to record, you probably shouldn't be doing it.

[–]1Sir_Distic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Signed into law on 23 June 2003, "Stephanie's Law" prohibits "unlawful surveillance," which is defined as (1) the installation of "an imagining device" with no legitimate purpose other than surreptiously viewing or recording another person in a bedroom, bathroom, changing room, or other specified room; (2) for the purposes of sexual arousal or gratification, the use or installation of an imagining device that surreptiously views a person dressing or undressing when that person has a reasonable expectation of privacy; (3) the use or installation of an imagining device to surreptiously view under the clothing of a person (commonly known as "upskirting"); or (4) for amusement, entertainment or profit, or to abuse or degrade the victim, the use or installation of an imaging device to surreptiously record another person dressing or undressing when that person has a reasonable expectation of privacy. A person who is found guilty of these crimes, which are rated as class D felonies, can be sentenced to a jail term of between 2 and 7 years, and, if so sentenced, must register with the State's Sex Offender Registry after release.

So if it has a legitimate purpose other than to discreetly record someone for sexual gratification purposes it's ok. i.e. to prevent false rape claims, or for security in the event of a break-in or home invasion.

[–]tyrico points points [recovered]

I'm questioning the legality of this method.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

It's legal in one-party consent states. It's not legal in two-party consent states.

That's why I specifically said "If you live in a two-party consent state, do not reveal that you have a recording to her over any traceable means. Only mention it or play it for her in person after you've made a copy for safekeeping. As far as I know, it's a felony if you record a conversation without the other person's knowledge in a two-party consent state."

[–]Air4ce1 points points [recovered]

While it may be illegal, it doesn't hurt to have as well as it could deter from making any false accusations.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

I'd rather be a convicted wire tapper than an accused rapist. I would accept any and all jail time for the first if it meant avoiding the second.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

That's not how the legal system works. If the recording was made illegally you can be charged for wiretapping and then go through a separate rape trial without being allowed to present the recording.

[–]LesterBurnham3409 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Not true. The inadmissibility of illegally obtained evidence is only a problem for the Police. As a private citizen you are incapable of violating someones Constitutional rights.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

That's interesting. Do you have a source for that in plain English and not legal language? A quick Google search shows some links for civil cases but nothing for criminal ones.

[–]420KUSHBUSH 8 points9 points  (4 children)

While you question the legality of this method we'll be taking necessary precautions in case any women tries to fuck us over permanently.

[–]tyrico points points [recovered]

Wow, you're so edgy. I'm being serious. You could get in serious trouble for doing this in some states.

Eleven states require the consent of every party to a phone call or conversation in order to make the recording lawful. These "two-party consent" laws have been adopted in California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.

Source: http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations

[–]420KUSHBUSH 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Haha, oh ok, my bad for being mistaken. How the hell are you supposed to defend yourself though?

[–]derkoff 12 points13 points  (1 child)

You're not supposed to be able to defend yourself. That's the intention.

[–]TRPmmm 0 points1 point  (8 children)

I'm sorry I'm all about TRP but this is some Bateman shit right here. Any of you guys who secretly film your sexual encounters are a bunch of autistic fucks. As for doing it for legal reasons, if a woman has consented to staying the night in YOUR OWN HOME after a night out with you there is no basis for her to lay a rape claim on you and she already can't do so. That's how it works here in Australia at least and if it doesn't in your country then you ought to GTFO.

[–]teeefto points points [recovered]

Lol look at this white knight.

[–]1Sir_Distic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the US it's scary how easily a woman can destroy a man with a rape claim. Whereas the man has no rights unless he has proof.

[–]newName543456 0 points1 point  (0 children)

after a night out with you there is no basis for her to lay a rape claim on you and she already can't do so

Sure she can. And feelz are enough of a basis to do so.

[–]big_daddy_cayn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Seriously, this is good reminder of why I don't visit this sub anymore.

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