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FitnessGirls are attracted to a level of muscularity that is easy to attain and sustain. Lift. (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]john1518 438 points439 points  (94 children)

Just want to clarify for newbies reading this, OP (probably) does not mean limit water. Water is good. Muscles are partly composed of water.

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        [–]spinalmemes 19 points20 points  (45 children)

        If you drink something sugary at the end of your workout, that sugar will be pumped straight into the muscle to replenish glycogen levels and will make your muscles fuller. I drink one of those mondo drinks, slam it on my last set. High glycemic carbs will spike your blood sugar almost immediately and in turn insulin, which will shuttle those carbs into your muscles at a time when the receptor protein that takes in glucose on the surface of the muscle cell is expressed in the highest quantities. Drink your protein right after this for similar reasons. Some body builders will literally inject insulin made for people with diabetes straight into their muscle bellies after a workout so their muscles literally suck all the sugar out of their blood stream. It gives the muscles a visibly fuller effect. Works on me because i lift alot and am skinny as fuck to begin with so i notice the changes vs not doing that.

        [–]PissedPajamas 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        Muscle protein synthesis lasts roughly 48hrs but for the purpose of restoring glycogen try to get food within the hour

        [–]Sdqr 8 points9 points  (32 children)

        Eating after a workout makes a tiny difference if at all (daily intake being equal). Slamming a drink and protein literally after your last set probably does nothing

        [–]spinalmemes 21 points22 points  (13 children)

        Thats false. You want to take in high glycemic carbohydrates right after your workout to maximize the amount of glucose pumped into the muscle cell. The protein receptor on the surface of the cell GLUT4 is expressed in higher quantities after exercise. The more you pump glucose into the cell more you will cause glycogen synthesis to occur which is the storage form of sugar in the muscle tissue and gives it a fuller effect. This is all known basic biochemistry. This is why athletes do "carb loading". The more glycogen you have stored in your muscle the harder you can workout on the next workout and that increases the amount of strain on the muscle cell thus increasing the amount of hypertrophy. As long as youre consistent and go harder each time and dont do shit that is counterproductive to muscle growth, you can just keep repeating this and get more muscle growth up until a certain physiological limit which is different for everyone. Protein intake is also important right after as well. Protein is digested in both your stomach and your small intestine. That is where the enzymes that break up the protein are released. The sooner you break down the protein and get the amino acids into your blood stream, the better, so yeah just drink your protein shake right after you work out so you can have the building materials for muscle available to the cell for longer periods of time equaling more muscle growth. Your esophagus leads directly to your stomach, so youre literally starting the breakdown process the minute you slam your protein shake.

        Exercise induced GLUT4 translocation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23899560/

        Protein digestion: http://study.com/academy/lesson/protein-digestion-and-absorption-process.html

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        [–]Sdqr 8 points9 points  (9 children)

        Any effect from slamming your shake right after your last set vs just getting the same amount of protein in via regular meals (3x per day, w.e you enjoy) is so small you will never notice a difference.

        [–]spinalmemes 1 point2 points  (6 children)

        Depends on your body fat hence why i said it works for skinny guys

        Edit: it also makes a noticeable difference over time

        [–]Sdqr 1 point2 points  (5 children)

        It is not. One day, if you stick with it, you will look back on yourself doing this and laugh. It makes no difference.

        [–]schmolch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You can do even better then this: Skip the carbs, let your muscles adapt to use fatty acids instead and have an almost endless supply of energy for them while reducing your body-fat at the same time. Yes, muscles can suck up glucose and help prevent further damage (fat-gain, fatty liver, obesity, arterial damage, strokes etc.), but other then that they have no benefits. Carbs don't increase protein synthesis and they prevent you from access to your body-fat (insulin). Carbs are nothing more then nature's signal that winter is coming and thus our body goes - very intelligently - into energy storage mode. They don't increase any growth other then that of our fat-stores. If you want to build muscle you are better off consuming what is the most anabolic and nutrient dense food evolution has ever created: fresh raw milk.

        [–]LethalShade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Great detailed reply.

        So you suggest drinking the shake right after the workout and eat a meal right as you get home? What's a good source of high glycemic carbohydrates?

        [–]Peter_B_Long 2 points3 points  (16 children)

        He's actually right. Many nutrition / supplement plans recommend this. And the fact that you said 'probably' means you're just sharing bro science. Just look it up and try it out.

        [–]Sdqr 9 points10 points  (14 children)

        I dont care if people trying to sell you supplements say this. Meal timing has been debunked

        [–]Peter_B_Long 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        I agree, but when they recommend drinking a Gatorade or eating gummy bears (fast digesting carbs) which gives them no money, it's something to consider.

        And there's always going to be people debunking shit. What is the best rep range? Is HIIT really the best way to burn fat? Just try it out got 2 weeks and see if you get results or not.

        [–]Sdqr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Exactly this is why people should just stick to the fundamentals instead of these weird tricks that really dont do shit.

        Plenty of crazy strong dudes dont take any supplements and dont walk about with those ridiculous shake cups in the gym like a fucking weirdo. Honestly I usually see fat dudes with those.

        [–]PM_Your_8008s 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        No it hasn't. Plenty of body builders use insulin to make meal timing even more effective. It just isn't worth worrying about if keeping a solid gym routine or diet is already tough for you

        [–]spinalmemes 2 points3 points  (8 children)

        It hasnt. Its basic biochemistry

        [–]Sdqr 1 point2 points  (5 children)

        Im sure thats why guys do IF with no issues. It really doesnt make a big difference

        [–]CQC3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I'm not doing that crazy shit, but I like to also have some very simple carbs post workout and it works great for me just off of feeling alone. Normally if I have something fibrous or fatty I don't feel too hot and I feel sloppy since I'm already tired and a lot of my energy is going to digestion on top of that.

        I've been eating a big ass bowl of salted white rice (normally I go for brown) PWO along with a protein shake and some fruits and veggies. Simple and effective.

        [–]xx69bootyhunter69xx 9 points10 points  (16 children)

        Wow I had always wondered that since fruits contain fructose, would they reduce testosterone too? I've lost count of how many times I've looked for studies about this, but there seems to be none.

        Roger that though, I'm never gonna take fruit juice from now on.

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          [–]xx69bootyhunter69xx 6 points7 points  (8 children)

          wait... I must be getting something wrong. I always thought fat, at least the saturated kind, was good for testosterone levels? As in egg yolks?

          [–]Mampfificationful 17 points18 points  (0 children)

          Adequate amounts of dietary fats (both saturated and unsaturated) as well as dietary cholesterol are necssary for your hormone production.

          Higher amounts of body fat however tend to screw with your testosterone/estrogen balance.

          (Really(!) low body fat also screws with your hormones)

          [–]Sdqr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Eating a very low fat diet can negatively impact testosterone but eating more fat if you are already getting enough won't increase test.

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          He means body fat, not dietary fat, increases estrogen levels. IIRC the optimum body fat for optimised testosterone and low estrogen is 12-15%. Saturated fat is necessary for T production, monounsaturated fats like avocado and olive oils are good too

          [–]Nicolay77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Fat in your body vs fat in your diet.

          They are not 100% correlated.

          Fat in your diet can lower fat in your body because it enables it to utilize fat.

          [–]PissedPajamas 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          I think Blackberries and Goji berries increase testosterone through high content of boron. Fruits have their place as a pre workout snack for high intensity exercise

          [–]menial_optimist 7 points8 points  (2 children)

          There is no one fruit or vegetable that allows you to shortcut and naturally boost testosterone. There is no shortcuts. Generally a better diet and regular physical exercise will increase it naturally overall.

          [–]PissedPajamas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          You can only increase test through covering micronutrient deficiencies. There's certain foods that increase SHBG and there's some that increase DHT but if it made a difference you'd hear more about them

          [–]hugeveinycock 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Juice isn't ideal but it's definitely not as harmful as a coke or pepsi.

          [–]CQC3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          It really is man. Same story, a shit ton of sugar hitting your system all at once without any fiber to slow it down or anything. Consider also that most "fruit juices" you buy in stores are not even full fruit juice.

          I think fruit juice is a silly concept, it's a lot better to just blend the god damned thing and drink it like a juice, but get the full benefit of the fruit depending on what it is. Consider also that a lot of nutrients are contained in the skins of many fruits.

          Another thing about that too is that most fruit juices have a serving size of 8oz's or less, in terms of drinking pleasure that's just a few swigs. So in reality people are drinking more servings than they realize.

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

          If for example you want to taste an orange, eat a whole orange rather than a glass of juice. You get a moderate amount of unprocessed juice, plus fiber which is good for you.

          [–]Kiwikeeper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Aaaah ok! I was beginning to worry about your intestinal health

          [–]omnicidial 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Trick to all that shit for me when I needed to lose weight was using MyFitnessPal to count everything, kept me honest about my real calorie intake.

          [–]Vid-Master 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yea definitely this, your muscles need water to properly recover

          and the more protein shake you drink, the more water you need to break that stuff down

          most people are mildly dehydrated all the time, sometimes your body will even get confused and give you the signal for hunger because you are thirsty

          So keep chugging that water

          [–]Number1ricky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yes. He meant carbs from liquids.

          [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 142 points143 points  (43 children)

          Truth. You don't need to be a jacked roid monkey to get attention. Just fit. I'm 6 foot ish and slightly over 160. An objectively skinny guy. But I was 150ish a year or two ago.

          The difference 10 pounds of muscle makes is astronomical. I'm not buff. I look good with a shirt off at the pool, but people don't see me and think "there goes a big strong man". But it is very evident from my body that I work out and am in good shape.

          Just going from scrawny to lean and fit gets you 5 times the attention.

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            [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

            Ripped the general public standards

            [–]squatbro 36 points37 points  (8 children)

            To add to this, don't be afraid of bulking up a little. Being lean (which I'd consider sub 11-12% body fat) sure makes a difference when the shirt is off, but if you're natty and low body fat you'll just look like any normal dude in a shirt. (Exception: you've trained for a long time and are getting near lean muscle natty limit and are at low body fat).

            Point is, worry more about building muscle and looking buff than on getting lean if you want people to mire you with clothes on. It's alright being 15-16% body fat if you got muscle to balance it out.

            [–]1lurkingtacopiller 33 points34 points  (1 child)

            Yeah, I've always thought of it this way: you either look good naked and meh in clothes, or good in clothes and meh naked.

            Unless you're mid bulk in which case you look meh in both cases and feel like shit because you can't see your abs and you're fluffy all over.

            I honestly don't know how fat people live with themselves.

            [–]ITS_JUST_2015_BRO 50 points51 points  (0 children)

            • Ripped
            • Huge
            • Natty

            Pick any 2

            [–]CQC3 13 points14 points  (4 children)

            Just depends. You can absolutely be lean and look muscular in clothes, maybe that's not how you see it though. Let's be real though, many people in the lifting world have terrible body dysmorphia issues. They're never big enough, the standards always slide up.

            The reality is that most girls on average would rather have a lean and muscular guy--something like a swimmer's body or a gymnast. Sure preferences vary, but you don't need to be HYOOGE. Most guys get too caught up in the lifting game, they then forget that they're now shooting to impress other men instead of women.

            This really is where genetics come in. Some people are limb dominant, some torso dominant etc, varying muscle "insertions". For example unless I wear a shirt with the sleeves a bit higher up, it doesn't even look like I lift because my bicep insertions are quite high up so I have a good peak but not much fullness in the arms. I'm also torso dominant and have a more ectomorph shape in terms of joint size. I'm a skinny dude.

            Couple that with the fact that most people--quite frankly, don't fucking know anything. When people see if you lift they look at your arms, but the bicep is a negligible muscle group in terms of lifting power.

            If you want to look like you lift in clothes, the muscles I personally believe help contour you right are delts, traps and chest. Ironically, having a big back can do wonders for you, but most people want to train mirror muscles.

            [–]Peter_B_Long 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            So to sum it up, start bulking in the fall so you have mass during the winter, and start cutting during the spring, so you're lean during the summer.

            [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 38 points39 points  (15 children)

            Last summer I was about your size. 6 feet tall, weighed about 155 but my BF % was low and I had good muscular definition.

            Everyone would always give me shit about how skinny I was(generally directed at me from those with dad bods or beer bellys or outright plain fat asses) then they would see me with my shirt off and the skinny insults would come to an end.

            Better to be thought of as skinny with clothes on and look defined without a shirt than to be thought of as muscular with clothes on and a fat ass without.

            I still get the "skinny" insults these days as I moved to a new state and started a new job. I've been bulking and am around 170 now and yet the "you are skinny" jabs flow like wine from the skinny fats and obese fats in my office.

            [–]MasterHaircuttt 37 points38 points  (5 children)

            Ideally look muscular with and without clothes

            [–]RedPistola 4 points5 points  (4 children)

            That's true, but everyone is forced to make a compromise on the spectrum. I personally place slightly more emphasis on looking muscular in clothes. (Still have a 4 pack)

            [–]Libertarian-Party 7 points8 points  (1 child)

            okay so I'm actually on the other side, where people look at me and say "damn that's a big motherfucker" with my clothes on, but girls have told me later without clothes that "your chest and shoulders and arms are great, but not your abs." Working out a lot still needs to be supplemented with being within a certain BF% I definitely need to drop from like 190 where I am now closer to 160 or 170 I guess.

            [–]armadyllll 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Same, I look jacked in a tight v neck but my abs aren't really there when I take it off. I'm 6'2 200 at like 17-18% bf

            [–]Hodggmcswagbuckets 3 points4 points  (5 children)

            if you're 6ft tall and not at least 180 you're skinny as fuck. You sound like a herb.

            [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 15 points16 points  (3 children)

            I'd rather be 6 feet tall and where I am at right now in terms of leanness than be 6 feet tall and 180 pounds full of skinny fat faggotry.

            You remind me of the people I work with who have massive beer bellies who think they are not fat and call me skinny.

            [–]p3n1x 7 points8 points  (3 children)

            but people don't see me and think "there goes a big strong man".

            To expand, you can't do this type of thinking for girls (their perception of 'strength' is never consistent).

            Guys get caught up in what other (visually conceived) fit guys think. Look healthy, prove you are stronger than her in some fun way and you will be in her thoughts.

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              [–]u-r-silly 8 points9 points  (3 children)

              6', 150lbs right now, bu 10.3% BF so that my abs are firm under the fingers of any girl who touches them and all girl who were attracted to me loved it, because every other guy they liked (more the intellectual type) had a flabby beer belly. It's just slightly above average and certainly not my main attractive traits, but that plus has them head over heals when they discover it.

              It's only the begining.

              It's like you only saw a girl during winter in her large clothes and coat to finally discover she's slim and has firm ass under it.

              [–]Layback 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              I cut down to 150 as well at 6ft. Looked great, but felt like shit. No libido, low energy etc

              [–]CQC3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Yeah...it's all about fat distribution. In terms of leanness many people will look straight at the gut, but some people don't predominantly store fat there, they store in their arms, legs etc. If you store mostly in the chest and gut then you're sort of fucked for having a six pack. Sure, you can get one, but you'll have to be leaner than most.

              [–]u-r-silly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I'm working my way up actually, but I'm not bulking and want to avoid building adipose tissue, so it's slow.

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              [–]csajhr 34 points35 points  (4 children)

              I'm 41 years old and got divorced about a year ago. I decided I wanted to start seeing women and I needed a confidence boost so I started lifting. I have lifted before on and off throughout my life so I wasn't starting from scratch, but I was pretty out of shape and overweight.

              In 6 months of lifting, I changed my body. I started dating women in their late 20s and their reaction to my physique was immediate and dramatic. They always got big eyes and wanted to talk about how fit I was. The gratification was amazing and totally worth the effort. Don't ever let anyone tell you that girls are not attracted to muscles, they most certainly are.

              I'm 6'4" and here is a pic of me at about 230. http://imgur.com/yUWikdD

              [–]ACE-JHN 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Nice job !! my friend's dad is going through a divorce right and he stays happy by lifting with guys half his age.

              [–]BinaryResult 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              We are pretty similar however you are a bit more muscular, 6'4" about 210 atm, what would you say your body fat percentage is? I still cant see my abs so am considering cutting down to 185 or so.

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                [–]turn20left 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                He looks like Brad Pitt in Fight Club.

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                  [–]spodermen_pls 72 points73 points  (22 children)

                  I have to plug Athlean X on youtube; there is a workout plan to pay for on their website but the free youtube videos have such good and relevant advice to power through common problems and how to maximise your workout. Especially good for so-called 'hardgainers'. Also decent diet advice.

                  [–]MerlotMcGee 38 points39 points  (16 children)

                  I'll second this. The guy is a physical therapist, and he understands body mechanics. Also, each video has a transcript, so referring back to what he said or just reading it, is easy. I fixed how I was hurting my back with squats and stopped making it worse.

                  [–]GEN_GOTHMOG 10 points11 points  (6 children)

                  His video on how not to do shoulder exercises is something everyone needs to see. Doing OHP with your elbows to your side? Thats a ticket to snap city. I should know.

                  [–]ioef_afterdark 4 points5 points  (5 children)

                  Same with his videos on how not to do lateral raises and not to do upright rows. Wish I had watched those two years ago.

                  [–]GEN_GOTHMOG 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                  Yeah I can't do raises at all anymore, instant pain.

                  [–]ioef_afterdark 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  I'll tell you the same thing I told someone else a few weeks ago. It sounds like you are impinged. Get PT to be sure. You will need rest for the tendonitis to heal. You probably also have muscular imbalances and posture issues that can be addressed with deep muscle massage and specific isolation exercises. It has worked wonders for me and now I am easing back into press and raise exercises.

                  [–]ArtTheRussian 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  Legit can't do shoulders without at some point my right shoulder just gives out. Doesn't pop out but I feel slight pain and discipline modern and then my arm just doesn't lift any weight what could it be?

                  [–]ioef_afterdark 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Nobody is going to be able to diagnose that over the internet lol. Impingement is common. Rotator cuff tear is possible. Google Hawkins Test and Neer Test.

                  You will have to see a doctor or physical therapist to be sure.

                  Ok, maybe I was wrong about the internet. This seems helpful: https://breakingmuscle.com/fitness/how-to-self-diagnose-your-shoulder-pain

                  [–]Cunt_Robber 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                  Thirded. Best lifting advice on youtube!

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                    [–]Azora 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Just looking at all his videos there aren't very many on legs. He's mentioned he has bad knees so he probably avoids it a bit.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    What was wrong with your squat?

                    [–]MerlotMcGee 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    I was shifting my weight onto my stronger right leg without realizing it, and that's bad for the spine, your discs should be loaded evenly. The video said to try clenching your glutes before starting the squat to ensure that the weight was evenly distributed between left and right leg. It's hard to favor a leg when you're clenching up at the top of the lift, and it ensured that I began and carried through my squat evenly balanced. Saved me tweaking my back again and let me load up the bar more once I made my left leg catch up and do half the work.

                    [–]CQC3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I think I might have this problem. When I start to hit those last sets and things get tough, I noticed a pain in what seems to be my sartorius muscle in the right thigh. Equally I've had issues in the past with my right side low back, I thought it was SI but maybe not. Reading your post it's probably just poor loading.

                    Funny thing about lifting and imbalances is that you have to dial it back. Even if you can lift a certain amount of weight, you have to understand that weight was only accomplished using bad form. Using less weight can allow your lesser points to catch up.

                    I'm somewhat having this problem on the bench where I can press more weight but my back needs more attention because my scapular retraction is not strong enough to create a stable base to push from.

                    [–]LetPigsFly 66 points67 points  (7 children)

                    Great post, something akin to this goes through my head every day. I'm just sitting in the train station on my way home and I'm rating the Woman as they walk by, watching their attitute, body language, and general physicque. 3,4,4,3,5,6 ect...

                    Then I'm looking at the guys, and I'm thinking; "what are you bringing to the table" hunched back and shoulders, head in their phones, no leadership, no conviction, and of course no suggestion of a strong body.

                    I think of Greek statues celebrating the heroic nature of man, that a body carved into a manner suggesting each step this man takes roots him firmly onto the ground, that every movement he takes is not an appeal but a command that the world will bend to his will.

                    [–]GrabHerByThePEPE 81 points82 points  (0 children)

                    Beautiful and homoerotic, just like every time i lift

                    [–]greatslyfer 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                    suggesting each step this man takes roots him firmly onto the ground, that every movement he takes is not an appeal but a command that the world will bend to his will.

                    This is something to keep note of when you're walking out and about wherever you go. Moving like you "got this" and that people should respect you WILL make them act that way. Assume a positive behaviour/reaction from them, and they'll most likely exhibit that positive behaviour/reaction because of your confidence in yourself and the situation. People like confident people, duh, says a lot about the person in tribalistic terms if you will.

                    Anyway, I created a list of things to DO and NOT to do in order to just be more confident and feel good in yourself when it comes to these situations:

                    • Keep your head high/good posture
                    • Be confident that there are only positive reactions
                    • Don't RUSH your movement just to get yourself out of a situation where you confront (not aggressive/violent ofc) other people's presence and/or where you might produce an impression in their minds. It actually creates a pathetic/non impressive image in their mind, it's counterintuitive if you will. Move AT YOUR OWN PACE, I repeat, AT YOUR OWN PACE. As if you were alone. If your presence collides with them so be it, don't let it rattle you, you're a man for fuck's sakes.
                    • Don't waver your eyes when you look at their eyes, find comfort in the fact that they're good people until shown otherwise, and if they aren't responding well to you don't let it drag you down, it's on them not you. Notice how I didn't say smile as it's ok to just look at them without a smile. You're just walking confidently here, not approaching people where the dynamics are different there and social conditions are also different. You'll know when to smile as you gain more experience, hell even I'm still learning how to become better in these situations, so keep exposing yourself to these situations and learn and improve.
                    • And if there's a cute/hot girl, ffs don't look away trying to look disinterested because of your low-self esteem or your fear of her not reciprocating a good reaction. Nothing happens if she responds in a neutral or negative way (I wouldn't suggest doing this if she's around her boyfriend or a group of aggressive looking dickheads, you know why) so you're not losing anything here. The ego does exist, but its effect on you is determined, by well YOU.

                    Let the eyes meet and make it known that you own yourself and the space around you.

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                    You choose a book for reading

                    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 20 points21 points  (7 children)

                    Absolutely.

                    Additionally: if you're overweight: drop your BF to about 12% FIRST. Lift all you can, but eat less (500 cal deficit, endless resources about this online) and do 20-30 mins cardio 5-6 times per week.

                    Losing the BF is more important than gaining muscle (I didn't say don't lift!) if you want chicks. They like a slim face and a slim body. If your upper abs aren't clearly defined you need to lose fat first. Eat protein and lift and you won't lose muscle (won't gain much either, but that's ok for now).

                    The guys most attractive to women I've known have all been slim to skinny. Sometimes VERY skinny. Girls don't find fat and muscular attractive. They like slim or slim and muscular. Guys might be impressed with your size and strength, girls are not. Guys hate being skinny, but with women it's better than being fat.

                    Most guys have fat and a gut. Much more than you realise. It's only when you slim down yourself and see the difference that you realise how many guys are carrying 20 extra lbs. Mostly in front of them. Wobbly flabby blancmange flopping about in front of them. And I used to have it too, and I'm disgusted to realise it.

                    You're not attuned to it at first because you don't go through the experience of meeting a guy clothed and then seeing him naked. If you went through this a few times you'd get real sharp real quickly at detecting that beer belly that guys are trying to cover up. Girls can spot the difference a mile off.

                    [–]strongFitVirile 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    "Losing the BF is more important than gaining muscle ..."

                    This often overlooked. You will be stronger and feel better if your body fat is under control. Excess bodyfat is harmful to the body. Everything from recovery ability to problem solving is improved once you remove excess bodyfat.

                    [–]Code_wizard 37 points38 points  (3 children)

                    A moment if you will. This way of thinking is only useful in the US where obesity is common.

                    I do not find this to be true here in Italy or in any of the other countries I have lived.

                    Skinny here is normal, and with the decline of the economy more and more young men do manual labor daily. This means a plethora of young trim men with fashion sense and a "Joie de vivre". Then again it's very possible to get a very attractive girl being fat here. My point is thus, whatever your skin wrapping, here, the clothes make the man, lift by all means, but don't expect any special treatment.

                    [–]LeonardWoods 22 points23 points  (1 child)

                    I'm a Italian teen and i have to say that what OP wrote is 100% corret. It's true that here obesity is not so common, but very few people are properly fit.

                    [–]Code_wizard 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                    Grazie mille. Thank you for input. As a long time visitor and non native it's hard to know if you understand the culture correctly.

                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    The OP is not talking about being skinny, though. He's talking about being muscular. I used to be skinny. Not a single girl told me "oh wow, you're so skinny". But plenty of girls have commented on my muscles now that I lift.

                    [–]blomj 13 points14 points  (3 children)

                    I'll just chime in and say that 80% of results come from diet. I followed the keto diet while doing a full body workout maybe once a week and did some occasional light cardio, mostly walking. I'm now at 180 at 6'1" and have a V taper that the last girl I was with appreciated. She was a sexy puerto rican/dominican girl, 10 years my junior, and the term she used was "sexy" the first time I took my shirt off and referred to me a "perfect" later on. Point is, don't eat shit food, there's a lot of tasty food you can make and buy that will help you look good. After a certain point it's not about will power, just effort. I spend 20 minutes a night making some good healthy food and I'm more than content not eating a bowl of ice cream like I used to.

                    As a side, all I did for lifting was a vertical push/pull (pull ups, dumbbell press) & horizontal push/pull (push ups, dumbbell rows, face pulls <-- do face pulls to maintain good shoulder health). I recently bought a hex bar for legs, because last time I wore shorts I realized how bad my chicken legs had gotten.

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                      [–]blomj 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Never bothered measuring them tbh

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                      [–]RoboRaptorReindeer 32 points33 points  (0 children)

                      The harder you lift, the smarter you must lift.

                      [–]--Ph0enix-- 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                      Lifting with your ego will always get you into trouble. That being said, it is a very easy thing to do

                      [–]godfatherchimp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      The iron will teach you a lesson you won't forget

                      [–]crimson_bastard 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                      I was in the same situation, stopped going to the gym because of sciatica pain, started doing bodyweight exercises (i was afraid of losing my gains), then someone told me yoga would help.

                      It's been two months now that i do this everyday and the pain is nearly gone.

                      [–]greatslyfer 7 points8 points  (14 children)

                      Any 5'7 lifters here?

                      What's a good weight for my height? Am currently 165lbs, 18%BF.

                      [–]bigmetalclaws 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                      Check out this calculator to find out your maximum drug free potential body weight. I am also 5'7" and 183lbs at ~15% body fat according to the Navy body fat calculator.

                      [–]greatslyfer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      Honestly, and thanks for replying, Casey Butt's model seems a bit too optimistic in terms of showing highest weight possible at a specific body fat percentage and height.

                      I wanted to be 14% and it gave me a weight of 192lbs lol.

                      [–]bigmetalclaws 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      It is supposed to be a maximum limit. Suppose if set aside 5-7 years to dedicate to weight training, nutrition, and had everything dialed in perfectly, you could hit 192. It's just that no one is gonna do that unless they were a professional.

                      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                      It depends somewhat on your genetics and frame size. It also depends on how big you want to be and whether your priority is size or being ripped.

                      There's a guy at my gym who's 5'8" (at most) and he's 185 pounds. He still has well defined abs. He's about as muscular as I think you can get natty at this height without being fanatical about training and diet.

                      On the other end of the scale, Bruce Lee was about as ripped as you can get natty and he was also 5'8". His weight was at around 140 pounds in his movies.

                      At 5'7", if you want to be muscular but ripped, your goal weight will be around 135 lbs. If you want to be as big as you can get without juicing, but not fat, your goal weight will be around 170 lbs.

                      Personally, I wouldn't worry about your weight. Just look at yourself in the mirror. You'll see the things that can be improved and the things that are working for you.

                      [–]Med_rapper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I'm 20 years old, 5'6", 168lbs last I checked. I don't know how to estimate bodyfat but since I'm bulking I would say 15%. Bench my bodyweight, deadlift 315 and squat around there too. Started lifting in Sep 2015. Way more female attention than ever before. That could be because of my sick haircut and my 1st real facial hair growth. However women linger on my shoulders and back and people compliment my physique when I wear sleeveless clothing.

                      [–]vorverk 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                      You are pretty lean. I didn't get much IOIs when buffing, but when I cut down the fat the most obvious change of women attention happened.

                      This guy has the same amount of muscle on the left or right, but he looks muuuuch bigger on the lean one.

                      So I would emphasize to get lean is as important as lifting.

                      [–]TERMINUSxNATION 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                      This unfortunately isn't universal. I live in Germany and have gotten back into lifting for over a year. I have a decent face and am building up my lifestyle and social skills. The only people here who compliment you on your physique are fucking men. It's fucking pathetic and I'm tired of it. If anyone knows a shortcut around this bs that would be great.

                      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                      my long distance relationship (not exclusive, at least for me, so don't hate :) lives in Berlin. Russian born but been in Germany since childhood. She likes big men. Her friends do too. She only does minimal cardio and has gotten a bit skinny ~ 5'10 130lbs at most but it's nice to have someone who supports you. Anecdotally she's not the only one to be explicit, now that I'm much bigger than the standard "meh in clothes alright naked"

                      Keep lifting and hopefully you find more girls opening up on this. At some point you get girls to grab you at the arm, or touching your shoulders/traps, it never stops and it's addictive AF. Obviously the more vocal ones will be other men. Girls keep it to themselves; just follow their behavior

                      [–]derek_32999 11 points12 points  (6 children)

                      "Best of all, it's fucking simple: Lots of protein. Minimize liquid"

                      Recipe for atrocious constipation.

                      [–]ioef_afterdark 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                      Exactly. You should be eating 25-30 grams of soluable dietary fiber a day. That is the equivalent of 8 apples, 8 cups of broccoli, etc. Source: GI surgeon (not me).

                      If you can't manage all of the fruit & veggies everyday, consume psyllium husk powder (e.g. Metamucil) or oat bran instead. One teaspoon of the powder (+ 8 oz water) is 3 grams of fiber. That's only 20 calories so it's not going to mess up your diet.

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                        [–]fitalt47 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        He meant liquid carbs he corrected himself in the comments. Also a good tip to limit constipation is to eat quest bars. Great fiber and great protein source.

                        [–]zpiskin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        Walk into a club or bar or even down the street in a slim, dark polo or tee with defined muscles and girls will be looking you up and down all night, I guarantee it

                        Can confirm. This was a big surprise to me. I fully expected the confidence boost and increased energy levels that come with being fit, but it did not prepare me for all the IOUs, look-backs and outright comments (i.e., girls "whispering" to their friend "he's cute").

                        It's honestly kind of strange. I only regret not beginning sooner. Also, buy clothing that fits.

                        [–]JediStrikerTy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        The gym has become therapy for me. I look forward to gym time. There's something about pushing myself that is extremely liberating. It's almost like a meditation in a way.

                        [–]420GrazeitRabbit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        I 100% agree with this statement. Not that I was not a good looking person before I started lifting, but I would always get second-choiced by the dude who was jacked as fuck. Now, i'm always the dude that's getting eye-fucked by the girls constantly.

                        In addition, girls that i've known before and look at me now hit me up constantly. Getting used to that random booty call from girls that used to ignore me is a great feeling.

                        Last weekend it was Moms Weekend at my university. It felt great to have a drunk as fuck mom blatantly stare at my chest and tell me I had "Nice pecs". And especially the fact that she was drunk was reassuring that my progress was there, considering drunk people are more inclined to say whats on their mind.

                        Newbies, this is the answer to all your problems. The question is, you gotta ask yourself how badly do you want it? How badly do you want those girls who looked past you to be looking at you and only you?

                        I've learned that working out subconsciously tells other men and women that you care about not only your body, but your self in terms of being able to have discipline and order in your life. It took me about 1 year to get to this point and if you are truly a master of your domain, then you will be able to get to this point with no problem. From a guy who used to weight 175 in fat, slimmed down to 150 and went back to 170, I can max out atleast 200 lbs in my lift, which is something I never thought was possible.

                        Keep in mind that I believe that every triumph i've had has come from years of struggling, especially after feeling emotionally and physically drained from an alcoholic she-devil ex. I think that experience is what made me swallow the pill so to speak.

                        [–]Mr_Dead 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        I've always found women are attracted to complete bastards. That's always been my key to success. No lifting required.

                        [–]Mr_Talent 19 points20 points  (14 children)

                        Sorry but I have to call bullshit here. OP is attributing his success to his body, when clearly there's is something else (extremely good looking, status, money, game, frame, etc) into play that has more influence in his success rate.

                        Allow me to justify my POV.

                        I'm a bit taller than OP and a bit heavier. My BF is at 14-15%. I'm good looking, but I'm no Brad Pitt. Ladies don't just open their legs for me. I have to work for it... a lot more than I think I should have to, actually. Being an intelligent, good looking, athletic, well educated and professionally successful dude, I know I'm the prize but them bitches certainly don't treat me that way. I mean, they do once I fuck them and they fall in love, which always happens... but what I mean is that to get to the "fucking them" point, I really have to work.

                        Also, every time I enter a club, wearing a fit shirt/polo or not, girls look at me the same.

                        Here's the thing: girls have low standards today because men are shit today.

                        Considering the context of this (hitting the gym), I don't know where the fuck are you from!? Now more than ever, every dude is lifting and fit. Gyms keep popping like mushrooms everywhere. We live in the "fit" culture... so, which one of us is living in an alternate reality?

                        Also, it's well know that women have this ability to get over looks. For them other qualities such as status, money and frame, can definitely compensate for not so good looks (body and face), so once again, I don't think it's your body that is making you so successful.

                        Also, I'm pretty curious to see how you look like. I think you posted some photos, but deleted them meanwhile, so if you could PM would be great.

                        [–]AladdinHussein 16 points17 points  (6 children)

                        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

                        that gif makes me very happy

                        [–]AladdinHussein 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        Lets you know the competition isn't stiff. Simply being in shape will be you at an advantage over many American men.

                        [–]XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        I got a smile on my face watching it year by year

                        [–]Mr_Talent 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        Do you have a similar map for the EU? I'm in that bubble.

                        [–]metallica11 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        as someone who went from 135 pounds 15% bodyfat to 180 pounds 10% bodyfat at 5'10" and competed in mens physique competitions, this is totally true.

                        Guess what, getting laid was NO EASIER now than it was when I was 135 pounds.

                        By that, I mean, I still get approached the same (actually LESS now), the caliber of women that has liked me has stayed the same, the indicators of interest have not gone up.

                        Why? Its the other stuff that matters much more (face, height, race, poise, image), when it comes to SIGNALS OF INTEREST.

                        the only difference is that now, when I take my shirt off, they love it in the bedroom.

                        [–]NakedAndBehindYou 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                        Now more than ever, every dude is lifting and fit.

                        Statistically this is just wrong. Obesity rates are still rising.

                        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        To newbies who want to get into lifting. Took me 2 years of 'fuckarounditis' and hating the gym to finally stick with it. Positive habits take time. Embracing the suck takes even longer.

                        Now I cannot go two days without lifting, my emotions get too edgy and I feel 'off.'

                        Keep at it, and make sure your diet is on point. That was the game changer for me to finally start making progress. Sculpting your body and seeing your body grow does wonders for your confidence and how others respect you.

                        The negatives: swole shaming, crab in a bucket mentality. The positives: health, posture, accountability (I earned this), status, looks, discipline etc. etc. endless positives

                        Lift.

                        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                        This advice is fine, lifting is great, hell, at this point it has become my sport, i can't just go to a regular comercial gym anymore since I'm training to get stronger at olympic lifts, but I think that your motivation shouldn't be to get girls, because it alone won't get you girls; I think anyone who's gotten real results can agree that for every girl that complements your physique there have been 10 different dudes who already did the same, and sure, having a good body and being in shape is definitely going to be attractive to women, but it alone will never be enough; I've met plenty of people who follow the Red Pill philosophy and are either fat or skinny fucks and have gotten great results. My point is that you should lift for you and for you alone, if you need to drag yourself to the gym, and zone out when you're there in order to get through the workout, then this isn't for you, find another sport or physical activity that you do enjoy.

                        [–]ioef_afterdark 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        Good physique: necessary, not sufficient.

                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        A modicum of effort puts you above 80% of men. Seriously.

                        [–]prodigy2throw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Everyone's body is different based on their genes. Some people do minimal effort and look ripped while others need to put in more work. I do agree that women don't want you to be a power lifter or roid bro necessarily. Just be decently ripped and fit.

                        [–]Mckallidon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        True. Many don't even like the diesel juiced look. Some do, but most just want a dude with low body fat and a naturally strong physique.

                        Back when I was heavy just losing 20 lbs before I even got cut made huge differences

                        Calisthenics is actually more efficient for just getting a naturally strong look if it's just aesthetics you're after.

                        [–]tolerantman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        I have the exact same stats as you mentioned, the big problem is that although it does make women horny, the homosexual men get 10 times hornier, so expect a lot of eye fucking and "accidental" tounching by fags.

                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Where are you? Here in aus that definitely wouldn't be classed as muscular. Im 6'0 and 215 and yeah girls get wet over me but there are plenty of other guys with my stats. Just depends where in the world you are.. In Thailand girls literally stop and stare but back home I'm just another juiced dude, dime a dozen round here

                        [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 20 points21 points  (11 children)

                        OP is brave for starting a lifting thread here, seems like every lifting thread sends out a signal to where all the non lifting hamsters have to come in and shit all over the concept of lifting

                        Its not a TRP lifting thread without:

                        1. The vegans who come in and say they look like the Incredible Hulk and are super ripped without eating any meat or dairy, and shame all of the meat eaters

                        2. The bodyweight fitness defense force who claim they are more fit and more muscular than The Rock based on a simple bodyweight routine they do 3x a week during commercial breaks while watching TV

                        OP I agree with you for the most part. You might be making it sound a tad too easier than it really is, which will cause newbies to think that it doesn't require much effort. Ultimately you are right - it shouldnt take more than a year to lose the dad bod and have a physique that at least isn't shitty.

                        [–]1htbf 59 points60 points  (6 children)

                        You're the only idiot complaining about non existing comment.

                        [–]spinalmemes 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                        If your skinny, its pretty easy to be putting on muscle. You really just need to lift and drink protein.

                        If your fat its gonna be harder than OP is saying but its worth it because youll be bigger and stronger than the skinny guys and theres a whole market of hot women who are attracted to bigger stronger men than skinny cut dudes like myself.

                        [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        They are called noob gains because newbies to lifting have more muscle gaining potential. Once a person has lifted for a while the amount of muscle they can add per year begins to decline.

                        [–]KingOfJura 8 points9 points  (12 children)

                        Youre wrong about sending a beginner 3-6 times a week into gym. This is way to much. Beginners shouldnt do split, theyd go full body at first to gain a foundation. And later, when the muscles need more and more, youd go for a split training.

                        Muscles grow when they rest.

                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                        If you're doing full body, you're going to need to rest more because every muscle needs to rest at the same time. Doing a split helps because you're resting certain muscles while working others. If someone wants to start with a split there is nothing wrong with that at all, pretty much every beginner program is a split of some sort.

                        [–]Hiimusog 2 points3 points  (7 children)

                        5-6 days a week in the gym is great, not sure what you're on about. I started with PPL 2x a week and am still on it after seeing tremendous gains in only my first almost 2 years of lifting.

                        Muscle protein synthesis is increased for two days after lifting, after that you need to use the muscle again to restart the process. Look it up

                        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        I'd like to add to this that while, yes, you will draw more attention with a well-defined muscular body, don't expect it to carry you. I know plenty of guys who lift like crazy and have amazing physique, but for some reason they think their body will do all the work for them - you need tact with women. A lot of these guys don't know how to TALK with women

                        Humor/personality > physique (to a certain extent, don't expect to be a total mess and get away with it). You can be out of shape and still pull women no problem if you have good timing, and understand how to guide a conversation to where you want it to go.

                        Don't expect your physique to do all the work for you, and don't let it be your crutch. Its a good signaling method, no doubt - but that really only gets you 40% of the way

                        [–]LodgePoleMurphy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        When I was younger I lifted at a chain gym in Atlanta and I had muscles. Not bodybuilder overboard muscles, just muscles. Girls made nonstop passes at me even in front of my wife. Bold passes that included following me to the locker room and waiting for me by the door when I came back out in street clothes. Most women will claim they don't like muscular guys but it is all bullshit. The bottom line is large percentage of women don't want men to know they get weak in the knees and a sopping wet pussy when they imagine a buff manly man fucking them. Why? AWALT. I was unobtainable (married) and that made them even more bold. Muscles are good, especially if you are single, but add some aloof attitude with them and ignore the women and they will basically corner you, drop to their knees, and blow you on the spot.

                        [–]Hakametal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Can confirm. 5'11" guy @ 160 also checking in. My girlfriend always comments on how good my body looks, and in my head I'm like, "I'm not even big". Look at Brad Pitt in Fight Club or Snatch. He was 150-160 @ 5'11" and guys wanted and still want that body. Conor McGregor is another great example. He's 5'9" and walks around at ~160.

                        But remember. Chad trumps that @ 6'4" at 200. That's reality.

                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        This. I am not a big guy and I'm older, but when I gain 5 or 10 lbs I lose it. Just don't act like a bitch around women and don't get fat and you'll do great.

                        I don't even work out much anymore I just do a physically demanding job. My 6 pack is only visible before I drink my first glass of water in the morning and still girls are always telling me that they like my muscles.

                        It's not rocket surgery.

                        Side tip: lose enough weight that your shoulders look cut, do your shrugs, wear tank tops and enjoy.

                        [–]TridentMixed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        At 5'8", I've been skinny (135lbs), muscular (160lbs), and chubby (185+ lbs and out of shape). I got the most ioi's at 160 and muscular.

                        I'm finally back in the gym now after being out of shape for over a decade and I'm getting way more attention now. It was pretty much zero the last 5 years which took me by surprise because even before I started working out, I got some ioi's at times.

                        However, the ioi's I get when I go out are largely inconsistent and I think it's mainly due to my height, and maybe ethnicity, even though a lot of women (from all races) say I'm attractive.

                        Still, some is better than none, but it's still frustrating most times.

                        Edit: I do want to add that women are weird too....they can think you're attractive and a lot of times you would never know. I remember sitting in a lobby once waiting to be called back and a female customer came from the back where the employees were and told me how all the women were talking about me. When I was finally called back, it was completely normal. There were no ioi's or women looking in my direction, or anything. Shit's crazy.

                        [–]djdrazah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        scrawny sticks and fluffy fatties huh....

                        [–]Wackachaw 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        Wanted to add to this.

                        Even if your girl SAYS she likes guys who aren't too muscular, skinny, pale, Korean boy band type- this principle still applies.

                        What those baby-faced idols lack in muscles, they more than make up for in looks, social stature, money, talent, and IDGAF attitude.

                        Even then they are in extremely lean shape.

                        It doesn't matter what a woman says. They can be into the whole dad-bod thing. They can whine about "You're too stern, you're too masculine, you're not soft or feminine enough." Its complete bullshit. If you don't hit the gym, don't eat correctly, and shake my hand with the force of a limp wet rag- guess who's already winning your girl over just by maintaining their own health correctly?

                        [–]1Sir_Distic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        I'd probably pee myself laughing if a woman said "you're not feminine enough" before I tossed her out.

                        [–]AbsurdistFTW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Easily attainable levels really. Have some visible musculature and you'll be leagues ahead of most.

                        Paradoxically, too much can be a problem. I'm 6'2 and 240 at 18% bf and it intimidates a lot of women. Shit, you get more attention from fucking guys asking how much I bench. But if I did this for pussy I'd be an idiot. It's for me.

                        [–]asylum1968 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Yep.

                        Roosh posted on just that and here's the direct link to the article he sited:

                        http://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/fitness-lifestyle/the-ideal-male-physique-%E2%80%94-what-girls-want-want-guys-want-to-be/

                        [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        I agree with lifting but don't take op's fitness advice unless you want to do damage to yourself. seriously.

                        [–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        good post man

                        (unless your face is a deal breaker. Sorry, fam).

                        I laughed at this pretty hard.

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                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                        You do you man, but the reason I don't stretch is because some stretches can losen up your joints in such a way that when you lift heavy, you fuck your shit up, now I'm not saying I go straight for a 315 squat, I warm up for that shit; start with 135x5 then maybe add 25s, then 35s, then go up to 225x5 and so on, I do this for every lift and after a year of it I have yet to see an injury or any recovery issues

                        [–]Scandinavianredpill 3 points4 points  (9 children)

                        ohh so their attitude is only towards bp losers?. tell that to Brad Pitt, Depp etc. etc. etc. you are in the honeymoon phase of a relationship thats why you are blindsided. Have fun, but wrap it up and dont marry her.

                        On the lifting thing, yeah I am about the same stats as you and I also get comments on my body, its nice. Also Agree most men act like women, just dont end up in the chad trap thinking you can game these women for the long term now.. its not possible anymore, their expectations are too high and they got all the power. just remember that.

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                          [–]GuruDev1000 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                          never attempt to advise on

                          You mean 'never advise to attempt'. 😅

                          [–]Putins_Orange_Cock 3 points4 points  (5 children)

                          ohh so their attitude is only towards bp losers?. tell that to Brad Pitt, Depp etc. etc. etc.

                          Both married A-list celebs. I promise you, if Pitt married a normal girl, she'd never pull the shit Jolie did.

                          [–]Scandinavianredpill 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                          I give nothing for your promises. this shit happens to everyone. yes you can punch so much below your own weight that its less likely to happen, but do you wanna be with a dumb fat cunt if you are good looking and likable?. because for this kind of thing to work your significant other will have to get hints all the time about your value.. its guys with blue pill fantasies that think it can be done in the modern society. most of whether you breakup or not has to do with how much of a dramaqueen your SO is and how hypergamous she is.

                          [–]Mr_Talent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          I promise you, she would. I have more than one friend who could get way better than their current LTR, but because they are in "love" or for some other stupid reason, they stick with them and endure all the bullshit these bitches throw at them and every time I'm thinking "Girl, you should be worshipping the floor this guy is standing on, but instead here you are acting like you are superior!".

                          It's their nature! Once they take you for granted, no matter if you are Brad Pitt or Fat Joe, bitches will treat you like shit if you let them.

                          [–]PissedPajamas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          If you wanna look good, do a 5 or 6 day split where you hit each body part twice a week and track your progress with an app. Track calories, eat more on gym days and less on rest days. Don't do hardcore drugs.

                          Do this and you're above 80% of men

                          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

                          Yeah, lift, we fucking know. This is a terrible post.

                          [–]SamuraiPizzaCatz 0 points1 point  (26 children)

                          I'm 5' 10" 185 @ ~17% OP, do you think 180 @ 10% would be likely after 1 year including noob gains? I really don't want to have to spend more than a year getting the body I want.

                          Shoulders rn are around 50", and wrists are 7".

                          [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 8 points9 points  (16 children)

                          If you go in with the mindset of "I don't want to have to spend more than a year to get the body I want" you will never succeed at lifting

                          I've been lifting since 7th grade football when I was 12, I am 29 now. I still don't have the body I want.

                          [–]nattyX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          'm 5' 10" 185 @ ~17% OP, do you think 180 @ 10% would be likely after 1 year including noob gains?

                          Nope. You won't even get close.

                          [–]Dio_Brando_Joestar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                          Substitute juice for Kombucha. Even better, make your own. Just add a little juice to your batch.

                          [–]blomj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          Dude yes, I love the stuff, great probiotics. Easy to make, just takes time.

                          [–]orezavi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          Need to get cut myself son.

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