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MetaHere's what to do on a date with a girl to never be seen as a boring man! (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by saulisdating

Hello fellow redpillers, and guess what?

If you always have boring dates – you’ll have a difficult time getting laid or finding a girlfriend.

You want to learn how to stop being a boring man? You want to know what to do on a date with a girl to make the whole experience fun, exciting, interesting, and never boring – where the girl actually enjoys herself and her time with you – and becomes attracted to you?

Well, it’s not as hard as you think, and I’ll explain how to do all that below so that you’ll never again be seen as a boring man.

But first, consider this:

Consider the girl’s perspective first! If she’s smoking hot and very attractive, she most likely has a ton of guys desperately fighting for her attention and affection wherever she goes.

She constantly gets approached by hundreds of guys and goes on a lot of dates with many different men. They chat a bit, flirt a bit, but most of the time she becomes disappointed and doesn’t really enjoy her time out.

Most guys have no clue and are simply boring – and the girl very rarely has an unforgettable evening!

Why? Because they end up doing the exact SAME boring, predictable, tedious things that just don’t work and bore her to death – just like the last 200 guys did on their dates!

So imagine when she sits on a date with yet another guy – and he starts asking her the same questions she’s heard 1000 times before from every guy that she met:

“Oh hey, so where are you from originally?”, “So what is your dream job?“, “So why did you choose that college?“, “What do you study?“, “Where would you like to live?“, “Where would you like to go on vacation?“, “Are you from this town originally, or did you move here?“, or even about the fucking WEATHER!

Yeesh! That last one’s definitely NOT what to do on a date with a girl.

The questions go on forever – I can think of a hundred similarly boring questions that most girls have heard many times over and are bored out of their tits… I mean Wits, from having to listen to them and answer. At least at the very start of the date!

(Incidentally, here’s a hint for you: Those questions are okay, and they have a time and a place, but that time is NEVER at the beginning of the date when she’s not already very attracted to you or invested in you enough to be eager to share all that stuff.)

Anyway, like a lot of guys, they think that asking these questions is a good way to initially connect with the girl, and find out some mutually interesting topics to talk about.

Umm, sure! That’s a great idea if you want to make a friend! But if you want to fuck her brains out, especially that very same evening, then that’s the WORST way to start off a date!

Also, a lot of guys end up talking about things they don’t even care about, like parties, shoes, fashion, and similar boring bullshit when they ask those questions and then desperately try to latch on to any topic threads when the girl dejectedly answers something vaguely interesting.

What does that subconsciously tell the girl? That he’s a guy who doesn’t value his time and will talk about ANYTHING just to avoid awkward moments – even if he doesn’t give a shit about the topic.

It’s all incredibly inauthentic.

Authenticity – When you don’t pretend to like things that you don’t like, or feign interest in things that are not interesting to you, just to try to impress other people.

So what do you do to stop being boring on dates? Simple. If you want to stop boring your dates half to death, instead of trying to connect right away, do what most guys don’t dostart doing shit that creates an emotional rollercoaster!

Forget about connection at first!

Instead, play a game with her, tease her, or create a fun Role-Play moment.

Make stupid, silly, witty, ridiculous comments.

Flirt and tease in the beginning, relentlessly!

Don’t be so serious! Dates are a place and time to have FUN and see if you click – they aren’t an interview!

Talk about the stuff that YOU genuinely like talking about, and talk about it PASSIONATELY. If she wants to add something – she will!

For example, I can’t count the times I talked about World of Warcraft and similar stuff, when I was deeply into that shit. Any topic will do, as long as you are GENUINELY passionate about it and they can see your passion through your body language and speech – and you can present it in an interesting way. They will get ENGROSSED in that shit! [[edit - just don't overdo it, obviously, making it the only thing you talk about - show that you're versatile!]]

Keep the conversation fun and engaging, and get her laughing, many times over.

The sillier the stuff she laughs about, the better!

I’ll explain exactly what you can do to achieve all this, below.

But first – here’s what all of this will accomplish:

You will be DIFFERENT. You’ll instantly stand out from all the rest, which is incredibly attractive in itself.

If you do all that and focus on just having fun, you will NEVER seem needy, desperate, approval-seeking or someone who wants validation from her and aims to please or suck up – everything that ruins your chances with women and is a complete turnoff.

It will show the girl that you aren’t afraid to joke around, tease her, ruffle her feathers because you’re not afraid to lose her. Do I even have to explain to you how massively attractive that is?

This is the best way to establish abundance, outcome independence, and general vibe of not-give-a-fuckery with the girl, without actually having to say anything to that effect and seem like you’re a try-hard braggart.

As a side bonus – you’ll never have a boring date.

And when she’s inevitably attracted to you after a while, you ask her a few personal questions, connect a little bit, then start ramping up the sexual tension and you’re good to go.

Seriously, the number one comment I get on most of my dates with the girls I sleep with is that they absolutely loved the fact that I was simply there to unabashedly have fun with her, not caring about ANYTHING else, and showed off my sense of humor while not being afraid to tease her. They adored the fact that I focused more on witty banter, flirting and teasing, and never asked “regular boring conversation questions”. Even though I did ask most of these boring questions – once she was already very attracted to me!

This last little crucial detail is KEY. She will want to invest more into your interaction herself, unprompted, and she’ll tell you more and more stuff about herself, once she really likes you. From there, you can go into more sexual territory and it’s a done deal.

In any case, this is an excellent way to spike immediate and strong attraction and interest in the girl right away.

And you’ll never be seen as a dancing clown monkey who’s only there to entertain her if the stuff you joke and tease her about are the things that genuinely make you laugh.

So, listen carefully – it’s all about self-amusement!

So here’s what you do:

I realize that you may not be someone who’s naturally good at witty banter, at making funny and silly comments that get the girl laughing, at spiking emotions and all that jazz.

So here are the two fool-proof ways you can use to easily create an Emotional Rollercoaster and take the conversation anywhere you want it to go. If you learn them both, you’ll never be seen as a boring man who’s just like every “nice guy” out there.

They turn all boring dates into something that the girls will remember for a long time:

One – It’s simply called Role-Play, and you can take it anywhere you want to, and even use it to make the girl incredibly aroused, horny, and up for banging you as soon as you get somewhere private.

Essentially, it’s about creating a funny, absurd yet interesting scenario which you can incite the two of you to play out. It’s the perfect way to showcase your personality, because every mistake you make, every stupid thing you say will no longer be associated with you but with the CHARACTER that you’re playing out with her. It’s pretty much a free-pass to make stupid shit up and have fun with it. It’s like creating a SOAP OPERA that girls get to star in – with lots of fun, drama, excitement, and similar crap that’s ADDICTING to any and all girls!

Most nice guys when they talk to girls are the equivalent of a boring movie where nothing exciting happens for the whole two hours. They ask boring questions, complement the girl, so that she feels very secure, very validated. Where’s the fun and excitement in THAT? Where's the fucking CONFLICT? Zero conflict creates zero emotions!

I explain this in full depth at and give you examples: WHY ROLE-PLAYING ON DATES IS AMAZING! - Seriously, do yourself a HUGE favor and read the article on role-playing – it’s one of the most effective ways to spike ENORMOUS attraction and pretty much get to do what you want without consequences.

And apart from creating massive attraction, it’s also a great way to create trust, rapport, and sexual tension with any girl that you’re on a date with – provided that you have a shred of imagination and a sense of humor. I explain it all in that article.

And that’s the only caveat – If you have no sense of humor or zero imagination – it won’t work for you. But don’t despair, it’s a sign that you need to improve those two areas and add to your personality, until you can have fun with them. There’s tons of material on how to develop a decent sense of humor and imagination – just google it!

Anyway, as far as I’m concerned, Role-Play is one of the best things that you can do on a date with a girl to get laid consistently, if you learn how to pull it off correctly.

Two – This one’s easier to pull off because it’s something canned, and easy to use and do.

Simply play a silly game with her: thumb-wrestling, patty-cake, make a game about testing her reaction, “stare into each other’s eyes until someone blinks first” game, and so on and so forth. There are literally dozens of silly funny games that you can do on dates, that are fun and lighthearted.

And if you’re about to say “I’m not going to play some stupid fucking game with that hot, sophisticated, independent, confident, and smart girl – she’s not a child!”

And that’s where you’d be DEAD WRONG!

Get this – Before settling down with one of the most wonderful girls I’ve ever met – I’ve been dating around like crazy, spun plates left and right for the past 8 years while traveling around the world. During that time I went on several thousand dates with girls ranging from poverty-stricken slums and normal suburban girls, to daughters of millionaires and owners of their own successful businesses, professional fashion models and a couple of celebrities. And guess what?

NONE of them were bothered by these silly games. Not. A. Single. One.

Just don’t be a total weirdo and whip ’em out at weird and inappropriate moments – play them when you’re both focused on each other and having a chat. If you don’t make it weird and present it in a playful and fun way – it will never be weird for her!

However, playing silly games is not the best option since it won’t showcase your personality to its fullest, like role-playing would do. But it’s by far the easiest thing to pull off, because you can just learn a bunch of them and pick the ones you like – and whip em out when you feel that things are getting boring. It’s the only “canned routine” that I regularly use. But only the game is canned – the reactions, the teasing opportunities and everything else that flows from playing the game is always unique.

Plus, it will have the added bonus of establishing a lot of comfort and touch, since most of these games have a physical aspect to it. The more she gets comfortable with your touch – the faster she’ll be comfortable with your dick.

What else to do on a date with a girl to have fun?

In any case, there are a ton of ways to create an emotional rollercoaster – these are just two of the most effective ones that I use and see a lot of success with.

The key concepts of what to do on a date with a girl are self-amusement, IDGAF attitude, abundance, being genuine and authentic, and unafraid to live, while being outcome independent.

Not very simple things to achieve in practice until you learn how to initiate Role-Play!

You show the girl that you’re not someone who’s desperate, needy, try-hard, aiming to please, seeking approval or validation. That you don’t give a shit about offending people, being different, unafraid to live. That you’re just being unabashedly you and are out to have fun with the people you meet – without expecting sex from them or with sex being your only goal. And you accomplish all that through your actions and words, as described above.

And guess what, if the girls see that you’re just there, being genuine, authentic, and unfiltered – and not out with the sole goal to get sex from them – they’ll instantly realize that you’re someone who’s DIFFERENT, someone who’s sex-worthy, masculine, and someone who they WANT to fuck.

Then it’s just a simple task of creating massive sexual tension, so that they quiver with lust and anticipation – and then taking them home to your bedroom, or even to the bathroom of the venue, if you’re brave and spontaneous enough 😉

It works wonders, and after a bit of practice, it’s very easy to pull off. And this all is just a small sample of what to do on a date with a girl to never seem as a boring man.

But don't forget that this is not about you becoming super wacky and silly right from the get-go, because that would be weird and seem needy. Just chill out for a bit, and then work this all in organically into the conversation once she sees that you're not some weirdo.

Also, at the risk of sounding like a dick - this is my way to succeed on dates, and it's not something new - but it works perfectly fine for me and a lot of other people who make it work. It's not necessarily the best way, but i can show you thousands of people who learned it and do it successfully - so don't start spouting that this is bullshit and save yourself the embarrassment.

Also, I'm interested to know what YOU do on a date with a girl, and why aren’t things working out for you? Let me know and I'll try to help!

Cheers!


[–]killermike-el-P 134 points135 points  (9 children)

Any newbie reading be careful when talking about your passions it creates attraction but do it for too long and it will become this character trait that she can't shake off of you "he talked about warcraft for like 45 minutes". Do it by all means but don't get so caught up in it you lose track of time.

[–]Troll_Name 81 points82 points  (0 children)

Simply put, don't talk for 45 minutes.

[–]saulisdating[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yep, thanks for pointing it out!

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

If a dude talks about warcraft for 45 minutes and she gets bored(the worst emotion), at least he's putting himself out there and learning from the situation. He'll learn next time to not talk about the boring math parts of how his Paladin's armor stacks with his high evasion b/c x+y/2=z and when he gets 2,000 more gold he can buy these sweet boots that blah blah blah. Instead hopefully he tells the tale of Leroy Jenkins, or an epic retelling of the most dramatic raid he's ever been on and how they almost didn't make it out alive all because of this unexpected thing out of their control and HOLY COW that was so unexpected and my heart was in my stomach but we powered through because my good buddy James who is new to WoW still managed to pull off this crazy maneuver.

Even with WOW, it CAN be fun if you focus on the emotional journey story of the game.

Edit: any other topic would probably be waaaay better though

[–]saulisdating[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly, don't make your tales about raw dry facts - tell about the experiences of the whole thing and how they made you feel. Emotions - that's what it's all about.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

shouldn't you be able to tell tho? I am autistic and I am still able to change the story as I go based on rxn

[–]iliketreeslikereally 8 points9 points  (2 children)

As with most things, it takes time to find the balance between two extremes. Practice and have fun, experiment with their brains.

[–]Hang10Dude 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Unfortunately all we can do is push guys in the right direction, but seduction is all about the little things that must be learned by trial and error.

[–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's like sales. You have to internalize and make it your own. It becomes instinct and a character trait. Not a script.

[–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I advise only mention it because it's smoother than avoiding it. If they ask more, explain in 30 or less words, back to them talking about themselves as fast as possible.

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[–]akru3000 15 points16 points  (0 children)

haha I got a good chuckle from this, women want a man with passion, passion is fire..hot and comforting. If shes relative familiar with a passion of yours is great. she can connect on some level. Good first date man!

[–]TrogRP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's amazing how swiftly women will mirror their man's interests

[–]Mckallidon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're my fucking hero. You're who I wanted to be when I was in highschool lol. There weren't gamer girls when I was in high school. Fuck yeah lol.

[–]DJTrapMatic 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Personally for me I don't need my woman to be into guy stuff, I.e cars, sports, and video games. Being into actually gets her NO bonus points with me it actually pushes her towards the friend zone. Just saying

[–]AncientScrolls 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Same here for me. For me when a girl says she is into man stuff like cars, guns, sports and games its already a red flag. I think most of the time girls only get into manly hobbies only for her to increase the attention she gets from us and be able to ride the cock carousel faster.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just like the vast majority of girls you find at metal shows.

[–]Mckallidon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

All they need to be into is cooking and blowjobs.

[–]Philhelm 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a lot of work.

Just put on a ski mask, hand her a loaded pistol, and tell her that you're driving to the bank in order to withdraw some cash for the movie you're going to see.

[–]huygenssyrup 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Just make sure you’re smoking hot before you talk about World of Warcraft!

[–]cas_999 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Don't talk about world of Warcraft guys

[–]Merwebb 8 points9 points  (0 children)

There is a HUGE stigma. Be hot as fuck or else save it for a later date

[–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, if you're not actually seriously passionate about it.

[–]Titanstone 56 points57 points  (12 children)

I have 2 thoughts on this post.

  1. I agree with the premise of this post in the fact that you should keep dates in the realm of emotion and stay off small talk/intellectual overload for the most part. A girl would rather be asked what's her favorite dinosaur than what she normally does on a Sunday. Neil Strauss outlines this pretty clearly in "The Game". Simple stupid and child-like.

  2. Your writing style is a mix between a dietary pill advertising scam and a meth addicted teenage girl. It hurts me.

[–]saulisdating[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Yeah - i tend to write these posts in the moment, so the writing style varies greatly, from article to article. Guess this time i was in the meth-teenage-girl-zone :) I fully understand that it will genuinely be difficult to read for some, and that some people will be turned off completely by this.

[–]ThePwnter 21 points22 points  (1 child)

BUT WAIT....THERE'S MORE!

couldn't resist

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"would you like to know more?"

[–]havesexwithme666 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Tbh his writing style kind of caught my interest

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    [–]account0081 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    A girl would rather be asked what's her favorite dinosaur

    I loved that. This is so random.

    I used to do it a lot when I was young. Now I'm almost 40, and my brain can't do things like that anymore. No random shit. I become boring. I'm aware of that, yet I can't do anything to stop it.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    step 1: start asking people what their favorite dinosaur is force yourself to ask 1 person this question in a playful way every day for a week. it won't always go well because you haven't exercised that muscle much

    step 2: start asking people what their favorite flavor of ice cream is this will probably be a bit less awkward as you learn to be more playful

    step 3: make up your own version. talk to everybody like they're a playground friend. people you see on the street, the girl at the checkout counter, old folks at church.

    [–]account0081 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    You got it wrong. I have no problem asking people what's their favorite dinosaur. I just lost the ability to be spontaneous.

    I used to be better at it than anyone I knew. It could be a question, change of plans for the date, or role play scenario. Just some random stuff that might be stupid, but at the same time really cool because of how out of the blue and unusual it was.

    Like, one time I was on the date, we were supposed to go to a movie theater, but I said

    • Hey, you know what, fuck this movie, it will be boring, let's go to X instead (unremarkable town 4 hours away)
    • What is in X?
    • I don't know, let's find out
    • ok, let's go

    So we just went to my car and took off. Spent a really nice weekend in X.

    15 years later I'm sure she doesn't remember her dates before and after, but she surely remembers this one.

    Now I'm just unable to come up with stuff like this on the spot, I have to prepare this shit beforehand.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Good luck! Just know that you live on a world of abundance and things generally work out

    [–]kaane -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    I'll second your second point

    [–]sleepyweaselisawake 10 points11 points  (5 children)

    TL;DR Girls are boring. Be an interesting, well rounded person and she might be attracted to you.

    [–]saulisdating[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Not exactly, but somewhat close. Not all girls are boring - some are.

    [–]sleepyweaselisawake 12 points13 points  (3 children)

    In my experience girls have two interests; 1) Constant external validation of thier SMV 2) Whatever activities the last guy they dated introduced them too.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    women also love their outfits. I met chick once who had big ass wooden stilleto like things. don't know what they're really called. I asked if she chopped a tree down and widdled them herself. One girl's shoes looks like emerald slippers. I asked if she beat up and elf to get them. One wore a shall or whatever, i asked if she was wearing a cape. then said "when i see someone wearing a cape i think one of two things. Is this mother fucker crazy or can they really fly."

    [–]sleepyweaselisawake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    No doubt about it. And, clothes fit right into the first category. Where clothes that get compliments, "likes", or the attention of an alpha are all good for her need for validation.

    [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (16 children)

    What if my two biggest interests are military history and combat? Are those good conversation topics? I really don't think the woman would have anything to say

    [–]Troll_Name 19 points20 points  (1 child)

    Can't fucking get enough of it? Probably a good thing, to have that feeling about anything at all if it's not inherently self-destructive.

    Just try not to steamroll women under a mountain of words. Avoid getting too technical, too historical, too factual, or too bland. Focus on the feelings and sort your statements in order of most feelings-related to most facts-related. Save facts for bros.

    [–]caP1taL1sm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Really great suggestion. This works for any topic that you have interest in -- SLOW DOWN

    [–]2017redditor 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    depends, could you work this into a fun role play demonstration of hand to hand combat that ends up with you two wrestling on the floor?

    [–]saulisdating[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    now that is exactly the way of thinking which will get you laid ;)

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Easy. First open up on the topics as a joke. Talk about how your uncle fought in the war of 1812. 1. if she plays along she might not know jack shit. 2. she knows history and knows you're fuckin around.

    either way confess then get serious and say "actually i majored in history" or my rl version "my grandfather was a photographer in ww2 and when i was a kid he showed me old footage. since i had a facination with history which snowballed into other areas from roman, greek sengeku japan and then snowballed into philosophy"

    [–]ThePwnter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    You can weave military history in with the absurd. That way you can segue into something you like, while doing some joking with her.

    Did you ever hear about the "Bay of Pigs"? Know why they called it "Bay of Pigs".......Well my uncle Cletus III (yes that was his name for realzies) was in the air force at the time. He told me that he got orders for him and his flight crew to load up and deliver live Sweet Southern Georgia Pink Pigs out to the middle of a bay in the ocean. WHAT! You've never heard of, or seen those tiny little Sweet Southern Georgia Pink Pigs??? blah blah blah.....

    [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    What if my two biggest interests are military history and combat?

    What your passions are rarely matter. It's being passionate that's attractive. It means you're not a lazy fuck and you have some fire under your ass.

    Sure, being passionate about lifting weights, riding motorcycles, and owning a business is going to be more attractive than being passionate about stamp collecting, but if a woman respects you, your likes and passions will turn into hers.

    That's just how it works.

    [–]Styles_Clash 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I second this. I've been building Gundam model kits for a while and it has turned into a growing passion. The last few dates I've had that had some form of closing said that they liked how I brightened up talking about it and communicated it, showing I "like to work with my hands". I just happened to also lift. It's all about perspective guys, and how you communicate it.

    [–]saulisdating[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Don't you think many women are interested in war movies? In crime dramas? In military heroes? Just find a way to make the conversation about this topic fun and engaging - i'm sure you can if it's genuinely your passion.

    Here are my favorite topics and passions, for example - sports, good food, video games, sex, dating, psychology, computers, entrepreneurship, traveling, social dynamics, and that's at the top of my head. I talk about all of those extensively and frequently if the conversation happens to go in that way - i never hide them, never shy away from the less popular topics like how i can easily spend 12 hours straight playing Dota2 - and it's never a problem. Just don't overdo it, and show that you can be a versatile motherfucker, who can be a nerd and dweeb when it's fun, a highly sexual lover when it's needed, a stoic and intellectual man when the situation calls for it, and batshit crazy insane party guy when you simply wanna have fun. Versatility is the key in being a man of great value and someone who's fun and interesting to be around. I will explain the complexity of dota strategies and heroes to a girl for 20 minutes - and she'll find it fascinating if i can make the whole conversation super engaging and passionate. And then i'll seamlessly switch to a topic which is something else entirely. That's how conversations flow - just talk about the stuff that's interesting to you and you'll naturally gravitate towards something that you both enjoy. But don't make it about yourself - pretty much share the experience that is you, and let her chime in and share about herself afterwards, and GENUINELY LISTEN - not to give a reply, but to get to know her.

    Also, don't talk about your interests in a monotone way - of course she'll find them boring then! Articulate, gesticulate, change your inflections, tone of voice, whatever - to engage her emotionally.

    [–]iliketreeslikereally 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    You kidding? That's both hot and interesting. Just make sure you're explaining it mostly in dumbass terms as you should when taking to someone who isn't into this. Tell some funny stories, make some ridiculous statements (fuck, imagine a fight with a 100 ducks and figure out the best way to take them out - the situation is funny and your expertise is hot.)

    [–]Herdsengineers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I dated a girl for 2 years once who was a MAJOR ancient history nerd. Punic Wars, Rome's conquests, Greeks vs Persians, Israel vs. Assyrians, etc. We discovered we both loved that stuff the first day we met on a hike, spent the whole day having nerdgasms together, and I ended up taking her home and fucking her all night long. We had to ask for full names in the morning because we hadn't asked the day before.

    I'll admit though, girls like that are rare.

    [–]dingman58 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Fucking challenge her to a duel

    [–]lebogglez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Dude, that's a treasure trove of exciting stories and feelings to talk about!

    "Can you imagine jumping off a tiny plane that looks more like a piece of Gouda cheese from all the bullets it took, falling into the dark unknown? And all this guy could think about in that desperate situation was how beautiful the stars are? Man that story had me shivering."

    I'm a software developer, let me talk about that and women in a radius of 10km dry out. Instead I talk about the personal conflict in teams, being a good leader and how designing complex software architectures is actually a really creative challenge that always has surprises in store.

    Everything in life is exciting, you just need to show your dates the right perspective.

    [–]mighthavepenis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Who cares? If she's disinterested get up and walk.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    This is good advice. I always look at it that when you are responding to a woman on a date you have two options. You can go more logical and serious with your response or go more goofy and fun. You know which is the right answer.

    If you accidentally get onto a too serious of a conversation, you can just change the topic abruptly. Say something like, "I need to ask you a serious question. Who is your favorite ninja turtle and tell me 3 reasons why?" Or hypothetical fight questions involving animals, celebrities, or historical figures are great.

    That said I do always try to start my dates off by leaning back and just asking, so how was your day? But this might be more a reminder to myself that I don't need to try too hard to impress her.

    [–]saulisdating[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Spot on. Also, I don't mean that you should just start out with being wacky and crazy right from the getgo because that would be weird as well - just chill for a bit, and then show her who you are. I'll actually edit that in, thanks!

    [–]1Entropy-7 5 points6 points  (9 children)

    There is what Roosh refers to as "clown game". He hates it but I used to do a bit of it. My version was the witchy things: tarot, palmistry, astrology and such.

    Women love that shit.

    But more generally, READ. At least one book per month plus some intelligent magazines like The Economist. Then you can carry a conversation.

    "Dinner and a movie" can work but maybe mix it up. Do Salsa lessons or a cooking class. Some might suggest rock-climbing or roller-blading but that is a bit over the top for me.

    The key is to be comfortable in your own skin and achieve a state of consciousness that I call "un-self-aware". Once you get into that slip-stream, take the girl along for the ride and you will end up in bed with her.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    dinner and a movie is the worst date. don't do this.

    There's no talking during the movie, the only game you can run is physical, which means you're on a tight deadline for rapport and escalation with the dinner which is already an anxious thing for most women.

    [–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Never do "dinner and a movie" but always the reverse so that you have something to talk about and opportunities for kino and such.

    Dinner and a movie IN YOUR OWN HOME, is a different deal. Dinner and a movie in her home has it's own parameters.

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      [–]1Entropy-7 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

      OTOH, Roosh does well with women and is a successful author and entrepreneur while you are WHO? WHAT?

      Not all women are idiots and even the idiots like a man to talk over their head. Anc certainly not all women are fucking neo-Nazis, and neither are most intelligent men,

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        [–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        He writes books,he travels the world.

        WTF have you done?

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          [–]1Entropy-7 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          Anger from the unknowing and unaccomplished.

          [–]Landry86 10 points11 points  (10 children)

          Okay, so I have to say from a girl's perspective this is definitely true. A lot of my dates were clones of each other. Same exact conversation happened over and over again, I wonder what advice you would have for a woman… lol because I wonder if I'm boring too and just don't realize it!

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

          No offense but it's likely. Aren't most conversations with people you just met pretty boring. Co-workers, friends, dates, shit conversation with my family is the most boring ever. I usually just checkout and hang out with my nephews. ha

          But as you go on people get more comfortable with eachother and you start to piece together the things they say and how they say it. When i noticed that i focus on that try to create an environment where people are more comfortable being that person rather than the shroud they cover themselves with.

          [–]Landry86 1 point2 points  (5 children)

          haha yeah definitely. I'm super shy too so that doesn't help either

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          Just squint and pretend to be a shy Asian girl.

          [–]Landry86 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Should I cover my mouth when I laugh too? :-P

          [–]hectortamerofwhores 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          So I've been in Asia the past 9 months; the whole frail, subserviant woman facade (and the girls here aren't subtle about what a facade it is once they know you) is actually pretty hot. It's fun turning gender dynamics back a couple hundred years, sometimes.

          [–]saulisdating[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

          To be brutally honest, most men are okay with women being somewhat boring as long as she's goodlooking... which is pretty fucked up. But yeah, if you want a quality man, you definitely should try to develop yourself and your personality to also not be boring and bring some fun and excitement to the interaction.

          Umm, most of my stuff is geared towards men, obviously, but you could find some tips applicable to both genders on my blog.

          [–]bob13bob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This def ain't true for me. Boring doesn't interest me. Looks are not enough,. Besides if we agreed to go on a date,. Usually the looks are good enuff.

          [–]Landry86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yeah PM me a link. I'm generally a carefree and silly sort of person. I have a lot of girlfriends and I'm not shy with them but I have trouble talking to men.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          How about this approach?

          You gauge whether she's boring or not. It's not a one way street. That's the difference all those guys boring or not are all doing something be the center of her attention. that's where the teasing and banter comes in. She says goofy shit flip it into a joke. Aim to amuse yourself.

          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yes, I just assumed it as given that it's not a one way street. The point is to not be the center of attention, it's to showcase your personality, unabashedly, without hiding who you are and what you want as a man. And obviously, not with every girl, but those you genuinely find attractive and want to get to know better.

          Standards - they're important :)

          [–]PC_2_weeks_now 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          That was a lot. Alls you had to do was sing "girls just wanna have fun!"

          [–]1empatheticapathetic 4 points5 points  (5 children)

          God please re-write that without the patronising click baity demeanour.

          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          It's not on purpose, it's an older article and just uses the mindset that it was written it in, at that time. Are you to say it's not better for marketing? I've no idea, but I just follow the trends. I'm open to suggestions if you're someone who writes successful articles, is good at it, and is willing to teach me :D

          [–]1empatheticapathetic 3 points4 points  (3 children)

          I just couldn't get to the point and ended up skim reading it and seeing the same "that's NOT what to do. Many people make THIS mistake!!" type of statements constantly, instead of just seeing a contents like list of the actual points.

          It would have been more effective, for me at the very least, to be more short and concise, but that may not be your actual intention. Perhaps drawing the reader in and getting them to invest in the author/style more before releasing the content so you build an audience into your brand was your intention. I'm not a writer but that was my interpretation.

          [–]BestSC86 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          It read like most the PUA articles....long, long strawmen of what dudes are doing WRONG which only the most asper autistic fucktard is doing and of course, with the writer having the ultimate answer...if you just hang around long enough or buy their "coaching" or product or go to their website.

          Then at the end, you get "amaze" the blond cheerleader with how you love sitting in your underwear playing a video game like Wizard of Warcraft eating Cheetos...then she will fuck you because you will be different that the Chad who took her to the lake last week for hours of jet skiing.

          [–]saulisdating[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          Oh right, well i never write articles to just show the points - i write them for the whole experience, and if you can't read it all, it won't be a full experience and won't have the same impact. Just Psychology. It works, because my more bland posts don't get same traffic.

          But thanks for pointing it out.

          ALSO - this article is basically copied with a small rewrite from my blog post that was written to contain many keywords like "what to do on a date", that's why there are some repetitive sounding sentences, and the "ultimate answer" vibe.

          And as we all know SEO warps content.

          [–]Mr_Talent 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          A game I do with some of my dates is what I call "Him or Her?". Whenever a couple passes by we look at them and then tell each other which one could get better or if they are "fine together". Lots of times our opinions are different and then we justify them which always leads to laughs.

          Then, after a while, when passing through a mirror surface I turn her to it and with me by her side, ask "Him or Her?".

          Works pretty well.

          Regarding OP post, a bit too long, but I found value in it. I'm one of those guys that even though I bring energy and good humour to dates, I always go around those boring questions.

          [–]saulisdating[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          That's a great game, i may have to steal it and find some people to test it out with :)

          Well, as I say, those boring questions have a time and a place - usually when the girl already likes you, because then she'll gladly share and invest more in your interaction.

          [–]Merwebb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Nothing like throwing world of warcraft into the mix for gamers who want a girlfriend to believe to this one simple trick! Runerscapers hate him!

          [–]DeterBenchPress 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Get a sport pilot's license. Take her flying for first date, puts her life in your hands, blows you in the pilot seat.

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          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Well, I would genuinely appreciate any feedback on why I don't seem genuine. I'm trying to improve my writing - it's not my strong suit at this point.

          [–]hellshigh5 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          "stuff i talk passionately about" Realise it's space and rocket engineering

          -sigh

          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          What's wrong with space and rocket engineering? Just find a way to make it fun, add a twist

          [–]hellshigh5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'll try :) , social situations are scarce when you work in the military ( french air Force ) so "training" takes time

          [–]TehJimmyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This should be in the sidebar. After you approach you discuss something around and then you do this. I can see it working from now since i just ask questions and let them talk all the time which is ingenuine because i dont care and i am bored.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Best dates I ever had were ones where I took her to do minorly illegal shit, like climbing fire escapes to the top of buildings and looking at the stars and streets from up there. Great place to fuck too, if it isn't too cold.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          this is good advice

          i am maybe a 5, put near zero effort in, don't approach, and still do fairly well

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          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          What I'm learning from reading most of the stuff on the RedPill is that Redpill is just the other end of the douche spectrum as the Blue pill. Both sides are going to extreme measures to be the center of attention for women. Blue pill act like sissies from an 80s movie. Redpill act like goofy chachi's. Read a post weeks ago of someone actually advocating not having any emotions even with friends. Like wtf, dude's actually advocating being a sociopath.

          [–]mike6452 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          well i would like to let you know that i have over 300 confirmed kills...

          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Sure - that's legit as well, different people have different ways to going about this. That said, nothing prevents you from finding out who the girl is, what her qualities are, what she can bring to the table, and all that sort of thing, if it is genuinely important to you.

          When it comes to women, i have incredibly high standards, both in physical looks and in intellect. For a quick fuck, she has to look great. To start a relationship with me, be it casual fuckbuddy or serious - she has to bring something great to the table as well.

          Standards are great to have. You're not supposed to "take any bitch on a roleplaying adventure" IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.

          The point is to do what YOU want - no one is forcing you to do anything.

          [–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          an even better tip, learn to enjoy yourself whether or not women are around you, instead of putting them on a pedestal and basing your every action and decision on what they'll think of you, ya fuckin beta.

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          [–]lawstuff11300 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNi2Z7IB4W4

          ASK HER A QUESTION!!!

          IS THAT HARD!!!

          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Great song - and also appropriate for the situation - but most guys ask these questions too soon :)

          [–]lolduude 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          What are your methods for sexual tension?

          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Well, sexual tension is a very huge and separate topic that would take a whole article to adequately explain. I mainly steer the conversation towards more sexual topics, use innuendo, get the girl to imagine us in sexual situations, ramp up the touching, get closer, more intimate, hold strong eye contact (which is one of the most important things) and generally just think about fucking her brains out, and because of state transference, if i feel it genuinely enough and my words and actions are congruent with what I'm thinking, she'll start getting all hot and bothered as well. This is the very short explanation - there's nothing mindblowing here, but it works.

          [–]Zack9764 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Did talking about World of Warcraft really work lol? I can't see how that lasts with some girl who (probably) has no idea about video games, and let alone not making you sound like some loser. I'm really interested, could you tell me how it went down? I played a long time ago so I'll probably understand anything you say

          [–]overwatchtinder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          My first dates are usually inviting them over to have kinky sex. Ropes. Handcuffs. Whatever.

          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Mine are the same, except for the kinks :)

          [–]Fraita 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I'm not here to hammer you, but the site for "WHY ROLE-PLAYING ON DATES IS AMAZING!" can be much more attractive if you make the text bigger and the sentences more like book-length, it's easier to scroll down while reading then to the sides. It's far to wide to read atm, I tried five times to read it but I get so frustrated.

          Otherwise I think you are right about the dating, I can just picture when a boring guy takes a girl to a dinnerdate (haha) and ask question after question. Good post!

          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Thanks for the feedback, this is just a placeholder WordPress theme and I will get a good one soon which solves the text issue.

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          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Not very young. I've tested out different styles and condensed articles with dry info get less views and upvotes. Go figure...

          [–]jouzaa 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          Two things I would like to say about this post: 1) The facts that you outlined are very true. When I go on a 'date' (don't like calling it that) with a girl, I always do the most crazy shit I can think of at the moment

          2) Your writing style, although enticing for a scam artist, really made it hard for me to read the post. Maybe choosing a more mature style would be more appropriate.

          Other than that, good post.

          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Thanks for the feedback. Why don't you like calling dates dates? :) Yeah I get a lot of flak for my writing style, but this one, compared to dry info gets more views and upvotes.

          [–]jouzaa 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          When someone mentions a date I always think of something casual like a dinner or cinema. Most of my time w/ girls is much more fun that that. It's true that it will get more attention, still there are better ways to spice up a writeup.

          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I'd like to learn those better ways :)

          Yeah some people will associate a date with the boring wine and dine + a movie experience, which is one of the worst things you can do on a first date.

          [–]jouzaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I recommend the top posts as examples of style.

          [–]19RomeoQuebec 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Bro I was gonna let you fucking have it, and troll your homo ass.

          But G DAMN, this is an amazing tactic. After reading your post, I had all these ideas flood my brain. It put things in perspective, I think that we forget, you can become anyone and anything on a date.

          I already do all these things, I just enjoy when guys put words to my actions. Its a fun reminder. thanks!!

          [–]saulisdating[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I know, right? It makes perfect sense once you really think about it, but you can just be whoever you want to be on a date.

          [–]abbafishhead -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          What's this, Social Skills 101? I feel like you don't need any of this unless you're seriously autistic.

          [–]saulisdating[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You'd be surprised how many people don't even know Social Skills 101. Yes, this is for beginner guys who don't know how to talk to women.

          [–]DeganUAB -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          I think most socially acceptable girls do not want a guy who talks passionately about online video games.

          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The passion itself does not matter, so long as you're passionate about something.

          I've dated a lot of "socially acceptable girls" and since my passion is video games, I told nearly all of them about it, if the subject arose. It never caused any issues.

          [–]Putins_Orange_Cock -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          Stopped reading when you brought up World Of Warcraft lol

          [–]saulisdating[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          does that game affect your delicate sensibilities? :D

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Here's what to do on a date with a girl to never be seen as a boring man! (self.TheRedPill)

          FTFY / ISHYGDDT. Enjoying yourself is obviously the goal, but this takes it far, FAR too far.

          [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

          god, this is the most pathetic thing i've ever read...

          [–]saulisdating[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You must have not read a lot of things then :)