Off TopicWomen reaching the age of 25~30 suddenly become Tradcon (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 103342

This is a hilarious phenomenon that I'm seeing more and more around me the last couple of years, even inside my family.

Women that rode the CC, some not even THAT hard, but enjoyed the freedom of being in the power position of being a young girl in the "sexual market". Suddenly becoming traditional, religious and conservative when they realize they are getting older.

Some will start going to church, have a new religion, slut-shame, shame guys that don't want commitment, start erasing stuff from her past... The list of "tricks" goes on and on and on.

All of this disguised as "growing up".

I predict a swarm of new "tradcon" young adult/middle-age/older women comming in the horizon. Women that are getting to the age where they can't compete with the younger girls, are quickly losing their looks and don't really want to work and be childless for the rest of their lives.

All of this in a world of VERY few marriage-material men. In a world of men that either have given up on commitment or on life.

I just hope all you guys remember that women have brought the shit-show for themselves, and DON'T FALL FOR THE TRADCON TRAP. Remember who you are really dealing with, nothing will ever be enough to satisfy these women. The attention they've had in their youth, the validation, etc. Won't be satisfied in the very long term (long enough to raise a child).

I will always say that women that are over 25 aren't LTR material. They are at the age where the best of their youth is gone, she has seen and done all there is to see and do. Serious dating is mostly a job now. Beware of these women.

[–]RIPelliott 205 points206 points  (43 children)

Was fucking a girl, only 23 I believe, and was surprised at what a freak she was despite having only slept with three guys. I pressed and pressed, and guess what? She didn't consider anything she did in high school as "counting". So the stats were post high school onwards. Will never understand that reasoning.

[–][deleted] 127 points128 points  (19 children)

I was fucking a girl of 22, her number was 8.....Whats the rule for women? Add a zero? ;) I thought fine, she was a crazy horny fuck....a pro.

Anyway I remember us talking a few months in about our number again and shit. She goes yeah my number is 8, I said don't you mean 9?

She looked at me confused and I was like.....it was 8 before we fucked right? So it's 9?

She was like ummm oh yeah, umm yeah 9, like all flustered and looked really uncomfortable. Like she'd been found out or exposed.

The question is how long has she been saying its 8 for :) I'm guessing a while.

[–]phaed 59 points60 points  (12 children)

She looked at you confused because she thought you had caught her cheating on you. In that space of a few seconds she was pumped with a massive amount of adrenaline as she iterated through the list of guys she fucked on the side trying to figure out which one it was you caught her with, that is until you let her off the hook with your "now its 9 cause of me". The uncomfortableness after was her not knowing whether you were wise on what she did and are now fucking with her pretending not to know to gague her reactions, or are still trully ignorant of it all.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (10 children)

Yep, you got it.

This relationship ended as even her pretend number of 8 was WAY too high at 22, I told her that I think I was a virgin at 22 :) (Im 34)

She always said any negative thoughts I had about her past or her present was all my own issues.

I said why? aren't men allowed to choose what they want? Why do we have to settle and indulge your bad life choices?

She was a walking red flag though, she would send me pics early on of her, like on holiday or out partying or selfies etc then drop in a random pic of her with a black guy with his arm around her.(I think an ex)

So then 1-2 mins after sending she messages 'You mad at me?' I don't see these pics for an hour or so as I was at work...and am like what? Mad at you for what?

She got all angry and defensive for no reason, I'm guessing she was testing me? When I didn't play her games she got angry? Im not sure what was happening with that one :/ still confused about that.

[–]willowhawk 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Some people are just fucked in the head. Kinda like how some guys are fucked in the head and act like a lost boy

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

she's right that her number is your problem. it's your own insecurities surfacing here

[–]Dragon_Garoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've noticed a lot of women try to create drama/jealousy in order to 'make it up to you'. Create tension/feels to show you care so they can hook you. If you laugh it off, or ignore it, it drives them crazy and they want to 'talk about it' etc.

[–]failingtheturingtest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This relationship ended
I told her
She always said
I said why?

So you argued with her about why you're allowed to break up. I bet you wish you had that time back

[–]artemvs 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Smiley faces. Found a Russian. ;)

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (7 children)

Yeah. I have heard in person some girls not "counting" some guys and lowering their n-count when they only slept with the guy one time. She told me verbatim. "Well, it was just one time, so it doesn't count." I was pretty shocked when I first heard a girl say this, I knew that certain girls will say this because I had other dudes told me girls will say such a thing, but hearing it in person right next to HITS your soul harder.

I asked her, "Did the dick go inside the vagina?", "So does this mean I can be in a relationship and have ONS and it wouldn't count right?", her hamster rolls a bit and reluctantly agrees that it counts...She gave me lower N-count first...

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (2 children)

Because since she was under 18, she wasn't an adult and "couldn't consent to any sex"

[–]Ganaria_Gente 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Unless he's male and both were under 18

In which case he and only he can be considered rapist

[–]2kevin32 55 points56 points  (2 children)

Because a high N-count makes her appear slutty and "used-up", which reduces her prospects for long-term commitment as she approaches the Wall, not to mention the social stigma. So she lies to keep up a "good girl" appearance.

[–]plutosheen 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Watch their actions, not their words.

[–]SilverGryphon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

here here

Its like when they say they don't care about looks but do the exact same opposite. You need to take whatever they say with a pinch (or jar) of salt

[–]Eternasphere 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Fucked a girl from Mexico. She said she only had one boyfriend. She didn't count anything since immigrating lmao

[–]cuntrolbot 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If they 'change characters' they feel it is legitimate, because all guys really care about is if they are a slut right now.

[–]acetylcysteine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"I've done all that freaky stuff, I'm over it now." Said a 24 year old the other day.

[–]DontTreadOnSnek 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Three guys"

More like thirty, lets be honest here.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 72 points73 points  (16 children)

See redpillwives for a current example.

[–]2kevin32 35 points36 points  (5 children)

There's also the recently created r-WhereAreAllTheGoodMen.

[–]redpillthrowaway112 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That's a pretty good sub, would recommend.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Another one, unrelated to this post but to MGTOW in general is r-GentlemenOnly...we don't discuss women at all.

[–]alexclarkbarry 3 points4 points  (0 children)

highly agree, there is some gold on there. Especially the "21 year old pregnant single girl who slut shames"

[–]Groose64 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Just wondering, what do you find so bad about RPW? From what I saw it seems like they agree mostly with TRP ideas.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Get it through your head. "she is not on your team" if they had free reigb, this place would be "building a better beta"

From the few i know, it was just as described. Hit 30, found jesus, and now tradcon, telling other girls to do the same.

Case in point. A conversation about n counts. One of the rpwi mocking one of the rp guys, because of low count, and how she fucked more women then him...

Then next day talking tradcon shit.

Now, this isnt a sleight to point and laygh at hypocracy, theres no value in there.

The value is in this. Dont listen to what she says, watch what she does. In this case, an rp friendly woman should put you on guard more than anything, she knows the languagw to better manipulate your frame.

Which is fine, thats what they do. Just be smart, dont be a simp

[–]QruCiFiX 1 point2 points  (2 children)

hahahaha you are a fucking savage. Most of them aren't even redpilled they think they are but they are not.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Im not savage, this is basic observation

[–]Banincoming 37 points38 points  (16 children)

"rode the CC, some not even THAT hard"...they just hid it better. If a casual acquaintance you saw once a month in person was fucking 3 guys a night via tinder 16-30, how would you know?

[–]JackGetsIt 60 points61 points  (11 children)

Most women don't hide their high N count well.

Here are some signs I've seen:

-relationship starts well but she quickly gets bored

-Says that she's never had a long relationship

-Never lets you meet her friends

-Wants to avoid certain spots

-Says she doesn't like anal, kink stuff or mentions is way to early.

-mentions sexual abuse very very early.

-Very worried about you cheating

-Acts very different when drunk, doesn't cling to you.

-Constantly says how loyal she is.

-Doesn't ever bring up ex's.

-Freaks out in certain sex positions (sign of rape or abuse)

-tattoos and heavy smoking habit.

-can't keep job down.

-avoids talking about her family or her past. Shit tests randomly after not shit testing you for a while.

-pees/poop with door open and strangely comfortable with invading space and being gross.

-very worried about giving it up to you the first night but seems like she wants to fuck you badly.

-has an intense hatred towards cheaters.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 25 points26 points  (0 children)

My oneitis was a virgin. She still couldn't stop jumping from STR to STR starting with me. Getting bored is just a woman thing because they have so many options.

[–]SlothOnRoids 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Wow, a good portion of those signs fit my chick.

[–]scarletspider3 8 points9 points  (3 children)

You should also add

-resentment of men (result of men now seeing her as not LTR worthy)

-demands a lot (due to her expecting status =to the sum total of all the men in her past)

[–]JackGetsIt 13 points14 points  (1 child)

demands a lot (due to her expecting a sum total of all the men in her past

This is spot on and since she has a high count that's a lot to compete with. Women can't bear the thought that they've taken a step down in lifestyle as well.

[–]scarletspider3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. First they get a guy with a car and then a guy with his own place. Then she wants the third guy to have a car and his own place. Then the expectations just continue to rise from there.

[–]1nonthaki 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You really do get it , Jack .

[–]Jenna_27 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The part about not keeping a job down is so unbelievably true. Most whores are actively looking for a man with money and can't take care of themselves or do anything for themselves.

Also add:

-doesn't have a solid group of girl friends, or changes her group of girl friends regularly

-has primarily sexual pictures on social media

-tends to paint herself as a victim, or is always looking for someone to blame during tough situations (external locus of control)

-Fem-nazi. Most Fem-Nazis love the feminist message because it allows them to whore around with mental "justification"

-Gold digger tendencies

-places more value on her sexuality than any other characteristic or personality trait

-Started having sex before the age of 17

And on that last note, also if you find a woman who was a virgin during her first LTR or the girl who was the virgin way after all of her friends, there is a solid chance that she will keep her number low throughout life.(if she is an 8 to 10) She will be a freak in bed but prefer one guy.

This is because through experience she understands that if she is looking for a guy who wants an LTR having sex with men who want casual sex does nothing to increase her chances of actually dating the LTR types. (Most women live under that delusion as a coping mechanism for their sluttiness)

She is not a woman TRPrs will waste time on because she doesn't put out fast enough but if someone find a girl like this as a plate and is considering an LTR, or someone is looking for this type of girl to try and "turn for fun" her traits are very obvious.

She is also the type that seems to have relationships and is not single much. She is grossed out by the idea of having multiple partners.

If you ever go for this type of chick, you will need to downplay the number of girls you have been with tremendously. She will not be attracted to men that she thinks has more partners than the average guy his age.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He doesn't know any better...yet.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Pretty sure no woman in the history of the world has banged 13,000 dudes lol

[–]menial_optimist points points [recovered]

You just exactly described my brothers wife.

  • Ages 14-23 was highly sexually active
  • Had lesbian experiences
  • Dated hard drug dealers who were ugly
  • Became addicted to coke
  • People I know who knew her "back in the day" only go as far as to describe her as "No angel"
  • Heard stories of her getting wasted at parties and then being gangbanged or sucking like 4 dicks at one party
  • Age 23-24 discovers Jesus
  • Changes her whole life, leaves the drugs/sex/partying behind
  • Within 1 year meets my bro
  • It is revealed she does like him, but is "saving her sexuality for marriage", literally wat.jpg
  • She even goes so far as to dislike swearing, violent movies, sex in movies etc
  • For a long time my bro complied and made efforts not to swear in front of her
  • This girl once showed me a video while they dated on youtube where a guy slow motioned a beyonce video saying she was possesed by a satanic demon, and she believed it fully
  • They dated for 1.5-2 years
  • Suddenly out with us bros one night he announces he is getting married
  • Ask him why marriage tho, and why her happiness is more important to him than his own
  • "She wants it, and I don't care", also "It just is", hinting that she was pressuring him for marriage.
  • Their marriage is at a local tourist spot in the mountains, but I and all of our close mutual friends are not invited.
  • Fast forward 4-6 months
  • We are at his wifes sisters house having drinks along with our mutual friend
  • His wife gets very drunk, starts acting very weird wanting me to hold her hands, so I go sit on the couch, she follows, asks me questions like "menial_optimist, what am I to you?" and saying shit like "Menial_optimist, I love you". Kinda awkward.
  • Tired from the night I leave to go for a walk alone.
  • According to our mutual friend, my bros wife kept telling him "I want to walk home with your friend"
  • Bro says no, so they all leave together
  • They're all walking down the road together, she's holding both her husbands hand and our mutual friends hand
  • While the husband is looking off at the sky in another direction, she takes the mutual friends hand and grows her tits with it while staring directly at him, biting her lip, when he recoils she tries to force his hand to her pussy
  • Mutual friend tells me about it was we're driving home, we agree never to tell husband bro

I could go on.

Another thing I've noticed is that despite being all "I love you baby" and "You're my soulmate" while sober, whenever she gets drunk she very quickly and easily is able to disrespect him as if he were a worthless beta.

[–]PATAK_KE_MARUNGA points points [recovered]


For your bro's sake.

[–]menial_optimist points points [recovered]

All along the way I've tried to ask questions to which the response usually is:

"I trust her completely. [Why?], She's my wife." "I've accepted her past, that isn't her anymore" "She even admits she gets a little flirtatious when drunk, but she would never even think about acting on it" "I think you need to stop reading that redpill shit, those guys have no idea what they're talking about"

Watch what people do, not what they say is extremely true. E.g. two Saturdays ago we were at his wifes sisters bday party and people there who had known her for years kept joking how a few birthdays before while drunk she accepted a date from some guy they knew and something else along those lines. She responded that ya she would be flirty but she would never act on it.

I physically cringed from the hypocrisy considering I knew she groped herself with our mutual friends hand and probably would have went all the way had circumstances been favorable, definitely crossing the line between "being a little bit flirty".

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (3 children)

You really need to man up and tell him all the things that she has done, like the groping herself with the dude's hands. He needs to know.

[–]RubyOrchid13 35 points36 points  (2 children)

It's not going to get husband bro to leave or come to any revelation. He will hamster it away as a one time thing, say she made a mistake and think she will never do it again. Which we all know is absurd. You can lead a man to reason, but you can't make him think.

[–]gistaminute 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I've been the man with the hamster. I would have written it off as a one time thing, as I did. Indeed, lead him to reason like TRP does.

My dick is clean and the hamster is in a cage, that's all that matters now.

[–]bluedrygrass 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But al least op will have no responsibility. He'd done his part. Right now, he's an abetter.

Imagine if the husband opens his eyes 15 years from now. And ask op if he knew and why didn't he tell him exactly what was going on instead of suggesting abstract hypotheticals.

Imagine if the pain of being betrayed for 15 years by his friends too is too much and he kills himself.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You can lead a horse to water. You can't make it drink.

[–]marplaneit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have been in this position, you cannot save them. I tried and killed relationship, now I just wait for them and tell them "I fucking told you"

[–]ethreax points points [recovered]

This is a philosophical problem. Yes a bro should help another bro, but should we enlight those who don't want to be? You can give hints of the RP, but never draw somebody to it, they need to find it alone

[–]OverthinkerTRP 10 points11 points  (2 children)

This was his brother, not some bro

[–]Philletto 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I gave my brother the phrase MGTOW to look up because his wife is not treating him right. You can't make your brother understand unless he wants to. For many people they would rather not know than face it.

[–]UnKnownSurviving 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Indeed. If guys like him, don't wanna be saved, alright, fine. That is shit is totally on him. I'm dipping my dick in random pussy or off to some projects of mine. If he comes back, with his tail tucked under, I'll know why. I'll just ghost him for the next few days, mainly, because I was pissed off he didn't listen. And some shit happened to him, or he found out the truth in another way. Of course, we're still friends, after that. But funny thing, ghosting really is a powerful thing, and sooner or later, I'll respond to him. Just not right now. Sometime, the best thing to handle a conversation is to go "radio silence". For some reasons, dudes like him, always learn the hard way. Or not all.

[–]casemodsalt 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Dude...record her skank ass and show him. Bro's before ho's

[–]JackGetsIt 16 points17 points  (1 child)

whenever she gets drunk she very quickly and easily is able to disrespect him as if he were a worthless beta.

I've been in several relationships that were going great and the girl was trying to do everything right and then she gets a bit too wasted and slips on how she really feels.

[–]TryhardPantiesON 18 points19 points  (5 children)

It is revealed she does like him, but is "saving her sexuality for marriage", literally wat.jpg

If a woman have had sex before, and now she is depriving me of sex just because she wants to save it for marriage,this is why i will never take her seriously, in fact, she just disqualified herself for girlfriend material.

[–]UnKnownSurviving 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Same here. I'd never take her seriously. She completely disqualified herself as wife material. I'd never take her. I have a few, rare females friends, that actually lose their virginity after marriage. Very rare females, and while all the rest of them just rode CC. Mostly because the rare ones, were raised in an Orthodox, Sephardic/Hassidic, Jewish communities. Mind you, they're very gorgeous. It's extremely hard to find a woman of quality, who hasn't lost her virginity. Most of them now, just lose it during college, and then, they want to find a husband. After college, of course. Or after they hit the wall.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 14 points15 points  (1 child)

While drunk, she offered her body to him a couples of times but he declined because Honorable Gentleman

Smart gentleman. Do not fuck a girl who doesn't offer sex when sober but offers herself to you when drunk.

Everything else he is doing is very stupid but this is the one thing he did right.

[–]Returnofthemack3 11 points12 points  (0 children)

why the fuck would you 'agree to never tell him'. I mean sure, he might react unfavorably, might even blame you at first, but at least you tried. If you value him at all, tell him. What he does with that information is on him then

[–]drallcom3 points points [recovered]

Their marriage is at a local tourist spot in the mountains, but I and all of our close mutual friends are not invited

Well, he's lost. Not inviting your own brother to your wedding...

[–]5t3fan0 8 points9 points  (3 children)

holy shit, your brother sounds like a child with a loaded gun.... in a room full of gasoline and nitro.

when she gets pregnant (from him or some plumber) he will be totally screwed

[–]menial_optimist points points [recovered]

Their first born daughter is already 5 months old. The nail has been hammered into the coffin.

[–]bluedrygrass 2 points3 points  (0 children)

we agree never to tell husband bro

That's still wrong. He's a dumbass, but the more this story goes on, the worst he'll suffer.

Tell him in anonymous way, but tell him.

[–]UnKnownSurviving 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"It is revealed she does like him, but is "saving her sexuality for marriage", literally wat"

That line, from the list, is just fucking hilarious. I couldn't stop cracking up. If I was there, with you and her, I'd probably burst out laughing. She might have taken it as an insult. But you know, watch what they do, not what they say. It's interesting that they suddenly, become "born-again Virgins", after having serious revelations, just after htting the wall. That logic is just fucked up. Like, waht? My god. I wished I had a meme for this shit.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 44 points45 points  (9 children)

This is an extension of AF/BB.


Simple, but really valuable lesson to remember.

[–]103342[S] 43 points44 points  (8 children)

We are having a "marriage season" in my family and circle of friends.

It is hilarious how TRP theory applies to 100% of these.

Girls that were "young and free" starting to look wrinkly and cashing out on a "good guy" beta type. All the while posting religious and motivational messages on their recently emptied-out social media profiles.

I even started betting with my brother how long each marriage is gonna last.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 38 points39 points  (5 children)

All the while posting religious and motivational messages on their recently emptied-out social media profiles.

Predominantly about how they value themselves and time now. Along the lines of "if someone doesnt give you their 100% they dont deserve you" or some bs like that.

[–]103342[S] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Yep. Pretty amazing how predictable we are as human beings once you understand the basic instincts of men and women.

[–]Docbear64 20 points21 points  (1 child)

" If you can't handle me at my worst , then you don't deserve me at my best" ... bitch please.

[–]2Overkillengine 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Quoting the patron saint of dumpster fires is of course, another red flag in a woman on its own.

[–]KV-n 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Along the lines of "if someone doesnt give you their 100% they dont deserve you"

which is pretty fucking ironic since they didnt give the years of their "100%" age to the groom

[–]PascalAurel points points [recovered]

This is pretty popular among the girls who just got off the CC in my social circle.
Everytime I see this picture I have to grin.

[–]justgotalpha 246 points247 points  (100 children)

i was dating a hb7 26/yo and she was so submissive and agreed on basically anything i would say ,cooked for me and sex was straight outta porn scenes,so i felt i was in control which i thought i was doing things right, even tho my SMV was at its highest at that time,but i knew something was off,i was just not convinced ,i felt like she was not being herself and was just pretending to be a "unicorn" so i digged the hole deeper and found out she had a daughter whom she kept as a secret from me,was bankrupt and was seeing 2 other guys beside me, i learned from that and is to always follow your instincts a "submissive and supportive hot women" does not EXIST she sells you on the illusion only to get your commitment
once she has you where she wants to you will see her real side. i just knew inside of me that the deal seemed too GOOD to be TRUE!!!!

[–]103342[S] 115 points116 points  (57 children)

I always say here and to my close friends. Being 25+ and single is a gigantic red-flag. For me, personally, is a deal breaker for more than casual sex.

Chances are she has some baggage and experience enough to hide the baggage until you are trapped.

Be thankful you weren't trapped with this woman, and that she taught you the valuable lesson.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (35 children)

Is it possible to land women sub 25 for LTR when you're approaching 30? I'm curious only because I'm 20 and none of my plates have been younger than me by at most a year (for obvious reasons).

If younger chicks are still down to date older men then idk why any guy would go for a woman approximate to his age. Not only are younger chicks hotter, but I've noticed that they pedestalize you and think you're the coolest person they've met. I've never understood why women your age make you jump through so many hoops when girls who are younger are not only more competitive, but they also set the bar lower for you.

[–]bojsihtekat points points [recovered]

I'm 43 and dating a cool 23 year old who adores me. Honestly, if you're not looking for something serious, you're only as old as you feel.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Huh that's pretty deep, thanks for the insight. I appreciate the perspective from someone on the other side of the SMV curve.

[–]morexel 22 points23 points  (2 children)

He's not tho. I'm around his age and date women around 25. We peak around 40.

[–]TryhardPantiesON 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Maybe is because my father has never given me this kind of knowledge to me, that makes me seek the advice from older red pillers in this sub. Thanks.

[–]morexel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Depending on when he was born your father lived under an entirely different rulebook. I wouldn't fault him for not predicting that the upcoming tinder generation would be so fucked up.

[–]marplaneit 30 points31 points  (4 children)

As a really young med student, pre med girls who are only 2-3 years younger think I'm fucking genius mature guy who has it all sorted out. I love it, but I always remember how only 3 years a go I was treated like less than shit.

[–]ChildhoodChores 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Don't ever forget being treated like less than shit. That's when we start thinking we found a "unicorn" that "likes us for us." Value is the name of the game. Thanks for the story.

[–]marplaneit 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Trust me I won't ever forget it. Girls would often laugh at me when I tried to pick them up in senior highschool. Now when they do the high school Meet-up events, they tell me "You are so mature now""I knew you would make it this far, you were a smart kid""Wow you are working out, uh?". Yeah, NO, fuck you. I am what happen when Pain, determination and hate meet. Years upon years of putting the work with little or nothing to show for, gettin throw in the trash for some petty drug dealer, all that shit made me what I am now. I just don't give a fuck about what people think of me, cause I know it means nothing.

[–]KenMastersMD 20 points21 points  (0 children)

This feeling is a great tool to motivate you to better yourself, but it comes at a great price. I've seen many colleagues as med students and attendings let themselves be consumed by this to the point where it stunts all of their social relationships.

Most certainly a double edged sword.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's crazy right? I'm pre-law and I'm studying for my law school entrance exams. I was on a date with a younger girl who also wanted to be a lawyer and thought I was some huge accomplished guy. A year or so ago women wouldn't bat an eye at me. God do I love getting older.

[–]grewapair 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I had one girl ask me out when I was 38 and she was 17. Ditched that one but then went out with an 18 year old and a 24 year old that year.

[–]bolupua 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a 38 YO friend completely bald that regularly fucks 17-18 YO girls, I saw it myself picking those girls in clubs.

I'm pretty grossed out. It's not for me. I mean even I have limits lol.

[–]103342[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Is it possible to land women sub 25 for LTR when you're approaching 30?

It goes the same way as long as you live, regardless of your age: If you are good-looking and be often in places with girls/women (independent of age), you will eventually fuck/start relationships with some of these girls/women.

[–]Mckallidon 9 points10 points  (8 children)

30s are the best decade. Cougars. Omg cougars. 19yos. 25yos. Peers approaching sexual peek. If you don't marry in your twenties, wait til your 40s.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

And still be able to have kids as a 40 y/o newlywed? is that out of the ordinary? I'm not trying to settle down early in my life but I know I wanna be a dad at some point.

[–]Mckallidon 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Men make kids for much longer than women lol. Just get a young wife in her twenties.

[–]Newreddawn 5 points6 points  (1 child)

As you get older, you will have an easier time getting younger women. This assumes you're spending your 20s focusing on bettering yourself. I'm almost 30 and my ltr is a very attractive 22y/o. Like the other guy said, you have to have a certain mindset where you don't come off as the creepy old guy. She says she constantly forgets how old I am.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a good point. Women love men they can respect and so long as I continue down a path towards my career and self-improvement I should become a respectable man.

What do you mean by coming off as a creepy old guy? Like constantly bringing up your age or something?

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Yes. My last really serious LTR, she was 22 and I was I think 35 at the time we first started dating. Granted she had daddy issues, but that's another story.

[–]ManowaR1488 38 points39 points  (18 children)

I know one thats just out of a 7 year relationship and about 25 years old - in that case I wouldn't call it a red flag

[–]shadyindividual 89 points90 points  (0 children)

There's no absolutes, and there will always be outliers.

[–]103342[S] 23 points24 points  (13 children)

Think about it.

This girl was fucked from the ages of 18 to 25 by the same guy. She did everything with this one guy, not just sexual, but day-to-day stuff.

What the fuck was the reason to break-up? There are not many reasons that would make her a good girl.

This girl was basically married with a guy and broke up as she is starting to get older. She knows his family, he knows her family, he is basically family with her. She won't totally cut contact with that guy that she had a relationship with for seven fucking years.

So yeah, I would say its at least a red-flag, if not a deal breaker.

[–]Returnofthemack3 22 points23 points  (5 children)

yeah but what if the guy left for 'greener pastures'? Happened to a family member of mine, similar time frame, his value incresed and he decided to dip with little explanation.

[–]103342[S] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Then she is still a 25 yo with a lot of baggage in a world filled with 19 year olds.

[–]trillinair 3 points4 points  (3 children)

but how to get to the 19y/os is the question. Where do they hide!

[–]Mckallidon 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The sluttiest ones go to the shittiest bars lol.

[–]ManowaR1488 33 points34 points  (5 children)

He cheated. Small Town everyone knew

[–]103342[S] 27 points28 points  (4 children)

I bet you she will get back with him at some point. Girls don't care about cheating if its just sex, they get angry and break-up for a couple of weeks/months, then they will "check up" on how you are and "somehow" she will land on his dick again.

Story as old as time itself.

[–]sfengi points points [recovered]

Youre making it all too clear that you come from a white trash background.

[–]antariusz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yea man, nawalt, if her parents had more money, women wouldn't become alpha-widows.

Lol. GTFO.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Good friend of mine recently broke off with his highschool girlfriend after 14 years together. Reason? He hit 30 and got succesful, and now wants to fuck younger girls instead of having kids. Good for him I say, but the girl is really a great girl, and now she's 30. Basically fucked her life over waiting and hoping for a family. It's kinda sad... but fuking young pussy makes you forget all about that.

[–]LandoChronus 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It would depend on why she's now out of that relationship.

Realistically, unless she seriously just got tired of having to take care of her "man" (most men act more like children these days, and since we know girls don't want to be mothers to their men...) why would the relationship not work ? What happened, that after 7 years, either one of them had had enough and decided to walk away ?

It could very well be a BIG red flag, but you have to approach it with your guard up.

[–]plenty_of_eesh 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Holy RedPill, this is one of the more perverse threads I've ever seen here.

If the prevailing philosophy is that a 25 year old woman with ONE breakup in her entire life is "red flag" material, you guys are absolutely fooling yourselves.

I can think of about three million reasons why a woman got out of a 7-year relationship at 25 that don't reflect badly on her.

I guess if you're in the top 1% of male SMV, you can go find your 18-year-old virgin bride at whatever age you decide to get married, but for most of the readers here, a reality-check is advised.

Edit: I guess this tirade of mine is less for you, LandoChronus and more for OP.

[–]Eternasphere 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Voice of reason right here.

Unless there's more to go on for that "red flag". If she's still sneaking emails with him or something, then I'd be afraid.

[–]Handsomebob103 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This is true, however currently I can't locate a girl under 25 who isn't in a LTR already or riding the carousel. I've found a couple fresh out of LTR's that are 22-23 but they either go back to the ex or cash in their ticket to the carousel and begin the ride. Im 28 and it is def a peculiar age bracket I find myself in. But ALL the girls I've dated 25 and up are single for a reason which is usually their a single mom or psycho. Lately I've been considering poaching a woman from a relationship. I get the most attention from those girls and you really only have one competitor. The only issue is if its morally acceptable to you.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 33 points34 points  (31 children)

Quoting myself...

III) Single mothers are incentivized to be manipulative

And finally: Due to their predicament, single mothers will be strongly incentivized to use you, manipulate you, and deceive you. The thing is: if we believe women who are in that situation (and in this case we have no reason not to), being a single mother is hard, exhausting and lonely. And with the hit her romantic prospects have caught due to that state (see above), she's caught between a rock and a hard place, and has ample reason to be a lot more compromising when it comes to dating, albeit with an ulterior motive - expect single moms to be basically wall-hitters on steroids in that regard. [...] Another consequence is also her willingness to nail down a guy at all costs. People in general will be on their best behavior while dating, desperate ones will go far and beyond that and actively try pretending to be unicorns even for completely unremarkable people of the opposite sex - and single moms might even do so for guys they aren't even that attracted to in the first place. She'll be the perfect partner in ever regard - until he's hooked, has put a ring on her and signed the adoption forms, that is.

[–]redpillthrowaway112 25 points26 points  (17 children)

Keeping all of that in mind, would it be a good idea to go ahead and date/fuck single moms and just enjoy the action, with no desire to ever put a ring on it?

If a single mom puts on such an amazing show to lock down a man, it should be in the man's best interest to take advantage of that. Fuck her like a porn star and when her manipulation goes too far, bail on her. Of course, only a red pill man could identify said manipulation.

[–]redrummilf 11 points12 points  (4 children)

youd be smart to get a vasectomy before hand

[–]boboliboliobli 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Or make sure your rubber hasn't been pinholed.

[–]Eternasphere 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And flush the rubber instead of leaving it in the waste bin

[–]Mckallidon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's only as good of an idea as strong as your frame is. Don't get soerjacked or sucked in.

[–]2kevin32 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Another consequence is also her willingness to nail down a guy at all costs. People in general will be on their best behavior while dating, desperate ones will go far and beyond that and actively try pretending to be unicorns even for completely unremarkable people of the opposite sex

Included a few example dating profiles for perspective.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 6 points7 points  (4 children)

These are "make a wish"-lists.

What I am talking about are those stories where women like that actually try their best to really blindsight a guy they've already met even though they are lukewarm at best about him.

[–]2kevin32 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Oh you're talking some dark-triad, Lucifer's daughter type shit.

I've met women like this that give you this thinly veiled look of disdain behind a pretty smile like Cruella de Vil or Maleficent, and they complain about everyone and everything. Would you know some other initial signs of spotting these kinds of women early on before getting "in too deep"?

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Oh you're talking some dark-triad, Lucifer's daughter type shit.

Not even that.

Simply women who are desperate and therefore are willing to sacrifice themselves "for the children", and are willing to go to great lengths to do that. And if you got a woman on your hands who for example has two kids by two fathers and a rather poor opinion of men as a consequence of this and can only count on the gullibility of a poor sap who has few to none options otherwise... what do you think will happen?

[–]1empatheticapathetic 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Good job for realising. You could have gotten trapped.

[–]sd4c 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Credit check ASAP before any LTR. A person can't hide malignant narcissism from the banks.

[–]boboliboliobli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Atleast you got the pornstar and gf experience simeotaneously. Obviously too good to be true like u said. But yeah.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I think you just need to vet more and ask the right questions in the beginning.

What you described in the beginning were huge red flags to me and at that point you should of immediately headed for the exit point. You sound kind of bitter about the way things ended. The proof was in the pudding all along - you just failed to react.

I think you need to spend more time internalizing your surroundings and what goes on. I've made a post on here a while back. I recommend you take a read. There are women out there who do exist and will be a good match, you just need to be at the very best of your game and you need to vet them better. I'm in medicine but my buddies in sales have a good slogan that I recommend you use with women. Their slogan is ABC.. "always be closing".. your new slogan should be ABV.. "always be vetting".

If you put yourself in the right position in life and in the right position in their eyes, you will reap the rewards. But again, this is all on you and your advancement and self improvement on becoming the best man you can. The rest will follow suite I promise.

[–]tigerbloodstyle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cool advice. I feel the better your character, the better your life becomes in every aspect. You basically create your world through what you think, do and how you handle your business. I bet the vetting ability is improved by having a sharp character too. I ask myself the question as soon as I manage to remind myself: is this a meaningful activity? Am I meaningfully engaged in this activity? Would I like to get to know me if I was someone else? If the answer is no to any of the above I know I'm doing something wrong.

[–]Sephar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I assume every girl I see is seeing other guys. It's just the way of the market right now and it is impossible to know what another person is doing with their time when they're not with you, much less control it. The upside of it is that you can always say that you think they are seeing other people too when they complain about you seeing other girls or not wanting to commit.

[–]TheAC997 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Single mothers are EXPERTS at making it seem like their lives are less fucked up than they actually are.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"submissive and supportive hot women" does not EXIST

In my experience, they do exist, but only as deeply religious girls who are looking for a deeply religious man. Also they tend to get married young because marriage at a young age is often encouraged by religious communities.

[–]jewishsupremacist88 44 points45 points  (17 children)

id say another 5 years before the youngest millenials start hiting their 30s and reality sinks in.

[–]TheSp4rk 37 points38 points  (12 children)

it's unfortunate that this (our) male generation will have had to pay for it. I wonder what (how) the next female generation will behave then, will they return to more traditional gender roles or grasp at lies from the burned out older females? I have some money on the older females being too proud to admit they were wrong...

[–]1Goomich 10 points11 points  (3 children)

it's unfortunate that this (our) male generation will have had to pay for it. I wonder what (how) the next female generation will behave then, will they return to more traditional gender roles

They already are. http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/eric-metaxas/next-generation-americans-gen-z-may-be-most-conservative-wwii

I have some money on the older females being too proud to admit they were wrong...

This sub has plenty examples of older females admiting they were wrong.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Genx here. It's already happening. Bunch of 40 year old women that waited till they were 32 then decided it was time to have kids. Spoiler-they missed their window.

Now their Facebook feeds are nothing but strong women, where good men,etc posts.

Meanwhile my feed is mostly drunken night at bike night

[–]jewishsupremacist88 4 points5 points  (2 children)

funny you mention that..i stopped by a bar the other night to have a beer and noticed a few older looking women who looked to be in their mid 30s to late 40s..they were attractive and you could tell they were hotties when they were younger. These women should've been home, cooking and cleaning.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

LOL, Yeah their not winners like you complaining on reddit abt where all the good pussy gone.

[–]good_guy_submitter 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Jokes on them. I married an 18 year old (much younger than me) and already have several kids with her. I suggest anyone looking to start a family do the same, although the marriage part isn't necessary.

I was married prior to finding TRP. Had I found it sooner, I would have never done more than a non-legal private/religious marriage. I still believe in the sanctity of marriage and think it is a great thing for families. But our governments do not, so fuck our governments, they don't need to be part of the marriage by legalizing it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Was she from outside the Western lands?

[–]depressive_monk 42 points43 points  (20 children)

Guys, what to do when you're 35, finally waking up from your slumber (thanks to NoFap), and want a long-term relationship. But girls over 25 aren't "LTR material" as the OP says, and which I tend to believe, too. Is your relationship life basically over then before it even started? Kinda sucks. Maybe some of you are in a similiar situation?

[–]askmrcia 41 points42 points  (10 children)

Good question and you'll get different answers because we are different. Some guys here will say get younger girls. Yea you can do that, but those younger girls are going to want to cheat and sleep around because they are going to want that experience.

Me personally, I'm done with ltrs. I won't sit up here and say I'm happy about it, but I'm damn sure not depressed about it. It's more of a content feeling. We can't get everything we want. That's life. Not everyone can have a great marriage and family and all that shit. The Same as not everyone can become rich.

It is what it is. I just know me personally, I'd rather live the single life, keep improving myself, build wealth and do the best I can to make a name for myself. I'd rather do all that then marry some skank that's going to draw stress. Plus you never know what the world will look like in, 10+ years from now. The way technology is growing relationships and marriage may be the last thing on your mind

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Exactly this. I feel the same way, even though I am only 25. I have slept with a number of women and while I would love to have a girlfriend, I'm not really now if that's what is best for me. I'm focused on making money, staying in shape while enjoying my life, and being independent. I love being able to do what I want and not have to answer to a woman.

If it really comes down to it, I would rather use the services of an escort or happy ending masseuse, than getting married and leaving myself open to financial divorce rape.

[–]gistaminute 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Gotta find a girl who will support you, complement you. I'm an engineer and I want to focus on that. I need somebody who will add certain things to my life that'll help me in ways I wouldn't otherwise help myself. And of course I should do complementary things for her. And if it stops working then it's done. Some women are other than dumb sluts, of course they become that if you put them into that lifestyle. Picture a girl from Oregon, she's a farm girl. She probably actually hasn't been laid in months... she might have a booty call or two, but highly unlikely given her general character and more importantly opportunity. Mostly fam and a few guys from town. I could wife her easily and I would value all the stuff she does, raising our food basically. But if I moved her into the city she'd become a city girl. See? So I'd be happy moving out onto a farm and living with her like that... but I might not be as attractive to her as I am now as a rich cool guy in the city where I met her in a cafe while she was on vacation. So it isn't. But eventually a scenario could work for an LTR like that, with some mutually beneficial basis.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Don't be naive, friend. To get married, these should be the conditions you put forward for a girl:

  1. She is 21 years of age at most, ideally 18-19.

  2. She is a HB10.

  3. She is a virgin.

  4. You get a steel-reinforced pre-nup in your favor.

[–]103342[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I couldn't agree more with you.

[–]quickeddie points points [recovered]

You get a much younger woman

[–]JackGetsIt 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yes this but those aren't much better as far as LTR quality is concerned.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Yeah is this part of a TRP phenomenon we call the Pre-Wall Prance.

It has been written about before on here. Just keep in mind that, no matter how "pure" they may seem, all women have a past. Don't be deluded by whatever mask they wear. Just part of the game.

[–]1SuperStalin 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I have a full facebook of women with magically disappearing and reappearing kids. I've even tried a LTR with a woman almost my age, and for almost two years I didn't find out if she does or doesn't have a hidden kid from some previous relationship. ( I've been told she does, and had a suspicion about her not having any photos older than a year or so ).

I can't recommend avoiding 25+ girls for a myriad of reasons.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Its almost like the Rational Male has a couple of posts on this...

[–]icutrauma11 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There is a young lady at work that is married, 25-27, sticks to herself and gets work done without any direction. The guys think she is cute, respectful, doesn't get involved in the petty shitty talk of the other woman, and talk about how one day they will get find their own R#####. Than one day while in a conversation with a young man that was talking about his partying and conquest she confessed this,"yeah, one time I got so drunk I fucked 3 guys in one night." PHe thought she was "opening" up to him. She was merely declaring her need for attention and showing she 'could do it too'. This showed how like a drug addict they can 'mess up' at any moment if there is pressure in their life and that is where they turn. A like a drug addict that minimizes everything she probably did 6 that night. Awalt Awalt Awalt...

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 31 points32 points  (6 children)

This is my own sister. At 35 she became super religious/TRADCON. Found some schmuck to marry (He's over 40), now have 2 girls, and schmuck wears the skirt in the relationship.

I'm happy for my sis as long as her facade of happiness lasts, but I'm going to avoid this same situation in my own life. I'm just not gonna marry. I will however have children out of country. Any good looking, small town, S. American woman who is offered payments for the rest of the children's lives she births for me (paternity test of course) will be thrilled to have me as a father. I'm a 6'2", light skinned Mexican, Spanish speaking with a career.

I will also have a cabin in the mountains in of Mt. Shasta. And if my family acts right, I may let them visit me in the U.S. Other than that, I will have 3/4 of the year on my own traveling in my profession, and I will visit my future children in S. America 3 months out of the year.

This sounds a little brutal and cold to a Blue Pill mind, but this is a reaction to the gynocentric world that has transpired in the West. Brutal and cold is what is necessary to not get screwed these days. For all the BP'ers out there, you allowance of the gynocentric state has resulted in my thinking man's reaction. Don't shame me for what I do. Shame yourself for causing this strategy to form.

[–]XDVI points points [recovered]

What's the point of having kids if you are just going to hide them in south america?

[–]1nonthaki 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women know this and city women might go live in small towns to pretend to be TRAD to ensnare men .

[–]stawek 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You can tell the traditional women by their husband and children, in early age. Everything else is just words.

[–]ThePwnter 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in the near future as marriage declines even more, if some feminist don't start proposing laws that would find a way to legally make men pay after just being in a relationship for X amount of time. Of course at that point the women could just lie and say that they have been in a relationship the X amount of time, and the courts would side with her, cause we got to protect women amirite! bleh.

[–]ballsy1 4 points5 points  (8 children)

I disagree, women 18-26 tend to wanna explore, party and have tons of sex.

[–]Astutekahoots 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Lol ... sex. The one thing the people in this sub have never had more than once or twice.

[–]harsha_hs 7 points8 points  (4 children)

There was a wonderful post called 'damaged goods' right here in TRP few months ago. Can someone link? I'm on my mobile can't find it

[–]2kevin32 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Perhaps you're referring to Rollo's "Damaged Goods", posted a year ago.

[–]Pm_me_your__eyes_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

women over 25 aren't Long term material

Wait... What? People can't stay 25 forever

[–]rigbed 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Alternatively you can harem these bitches. Make sure they all know each other. Find betas to take care of them and raise your children along with their own. Problem solved

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 4 points5 points  (8 children)

While I understand the context of the term as used in this post, what is TRADCON short for?

[–]maniclurker 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I'm guessing traditional conservative.

[–]KCMOVIEBUFF 13 points14 points  (2 children)


"As noted, tradcon is a traditionalist conservative - a person who prefers a patriarchal society, believes that there are natural gender roles to which people should adhere, and are typically fiscally and morally conservative."

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sounds like another word for redpill tbh

[–]Dookiestain_LaFlair 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I thought it said "TARDCON" like it was a convention for retards or something.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 13 points14 points  (13 children)


What has happened is that the Red Pill has started to get leaked into the mainstream and women are realizing they are getting played by the system just as men are.

Think of the alternative...


  • Would you rather these women became shrill bitter old feminists?


I'll take a girl who can be shamed (and have some Dread built in) over the feminist with the foul mouth any day.

It would be better if these girls were less broken to begin with but don't object to what they are turning into because it's a step up from where they were.


Be careful. They are still women and capable of AWALT type behavior.


Plus if they clean up and shave their armpits and get rid of the blue hair and noserings they will start looking better. Maybe get that tramp stamp removed off her ass. Start taking regular showers and dress better.


Bad habits die hard... it's like being a smoker... once a girl rides the Cock Carousel™ her brain is permanently "hooked" on the drug and can easily relapse at any time.

Best if they never smoke and never ride... but most are damaged before they wake up about it.


[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 33 points34 points  (8 children)

What has happened is that the Red Pill has started to get leaked into the mainstream and women are realizing they are getting played by the system just as men are.

They hit the wall and mask it with, as OP said, "growing up". They are not getting "redpilled". Had women started to become "redpilled" en masse it would manifest in different age groups. It doesn't. What OP is saying is consistent with the wall, not with RP.

Women are not realizing anything. It's your conspiracy delusions of "people waking up", not women.

Read your last replies to different threads, you even had to spew your "globalist conspiracy" garbage over a post about body language. Time and time again you demonstrate that you live in your own fantasy world that has nothing to do with reality.

[–]maniclurker points points [recovered]

Yeah, I'm not certain how some of these guys became ECs. I think there's one other dude floating around here that does the same stuff.

The shitty part is, every now and then a mod will get a burr up their ass about someone pissing off an EC.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Read the sidebar rules. If you still dont understand, then just realize that until you create regular content, your opinion dont mean shit

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree. A lot of these chumps on here don't understand the basic philosophy at the core of why we men are the way we are.

Too many people are still finding things and ideas and reasons to blame others for the outcomes or situations they find themselves in. The sad thing is they spend a lot of time dwelling and thinking or spreading hate of "what could of" instead of "why".

With a lot of these young men the answer to almost every problem I see on here is so painfully obvious and honestly disheartening. The answer? Themselves. Hopefully they wise up and begin to realize the only person and outcome they can control is theirselves and any situation they find themselves in the only one to blame or congratulate is them

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (2 children)


Again I think since the beginning of the Trump Era we are seeing some measurable shift in momentum.

Before the Trump Era pretty much every woman was on the slutty feminist bandwagon.

Now I'm seeing more women shifting strategy towards trying to actually lock down a high SMV mate when possible.

It's a subtle shift, but I think it's happening.


However... I was just back in California recently and they are completely brain dead and brainwashed out there still. Went to a bar and started talking and the Blue Pill thinking was sickening.

So it depends on region it seems.

Wisconsin and the areas in the midwest seem to have been effected by this shift.

Before Trump it was a sort of "lost age" where women and men were in freefall in just about every respect.

Things are better... we aren't "great" yet, but a shift is objectively happening based on the data I'm seeing.

Again... bias by location is a factor.


[–]TheReformist94 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Women aren't getting played by the system.they've got a pretty sweet deal actually.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Well I disagree.

They are seduced into slutty behavior by Blue Pill programming applied through things like television, music and overall pop culture.

Then they spend a decade squandering their maximum SMV (the very time they should be locking down a high SMV male) until they reach the Wall at 30.

At the Wall they "settle" for a beta male who has been celebate the whole time.

That's a bad strategy for women because they end up in a bad position.


A Red Pill aware woman would capitalize on her maximum SMV and lock down the highest SMV mate she can when the deal works in her favor. (before 25 and ideally around 22)


[–]saladon points points [recovered]

Right. It might look good for them on paper, but it's ultimately a lose-lose for everyone.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 12 points13 points  (0 children)



The Blue Pill is poison for everyone.

Women are seduced into the Cock Carousel™ just like they might be seduced into being a Crack addict.

The problem is what can be done with these damaged women afterwards. These bad habits don't just go away.

Think of how many smokers that can never successfully quit.


[–]timevampire88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

shame guys that don't want commitment

I've been at the receiving end of this one, only to point out that when they were younger, they acted the same!

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–]TheFrenchFondler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hold on, hold on... let me get this straight

TRP complains that women are ruining society with "muh progressive feminism" , yet you still complain when they suddenly realize the error of their ways and try to fix themselves? Don't get me wrong, I know they caused this nonsense but isn't the goal to try and bring things back to a sense of Traditionalism?

[–]hahayeahthatscool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Too bad this only achieves the opposite effect. The last thing well to do men are looking for is a nagging aging religious nut

[–]Toxicbutt 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Just banging 18-24 year old is gonna be a lot harder to maintain when your about double their age.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You couldn't be more wrong.

[–]showerthoughtsgenius 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This post reeks of naiveté.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've noticed this as well, but it's nothing new. The older women get the more conservative they tend to become, I suspect by necessity as they can't slut around like they did in their past because they simply can't compete. How can a 35 year old go toe to toe with a 19 year old on looks and fertility? She can't. That necessitates a change of behavior to woo guys who are older and more discriminating and not wanting a chick that's going to whore around behind his back.

[–]drumstyx 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The female equivalent of repuberty?

[–]1Yakatonker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, the market anomaly is much different, specifically because it falls within the context of the sexual market. This slang term "repuberty" is politically negative connotation against the social economic realization of men that the Liberal ideology is in fact political bribery from corrupt establishment to satiate the tyranny of the weak, non producers in a society to compensate them for the corruption and disabling of free market which deprives them of economic liberty. In another way its also a way to bribe people back into establishment left vs right theater, as in to make them think the one establishment of the right is any different from the left when it is not, but just a single continuity as is Trump from Obama.

For women the only thing changes is their direct sexual and commitment based access to male resources, however politically nothings changed. The government is big daddy beta bux and it robs men to pay for the social welfare paid to women by men. That's not something women have to bother with because its men who pay for it.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah. As Yakatonker has said, it's political vs. sexual.

Repuberty is basically a term for that quote attributed to Churchill "if you haven't been a socialist at 20, you have no heart, if you're still a socialist at 30, you have no brain".

Becoming more conservative (politically) as you grow older is just pretty normal - it's you losing your illusions about life, society and (social) justice; but generally also a genuine change of heart and opinions.

Women doing a complete 180° when it comes to your dating life on the other hand isn't - because rational decisions and insights don't govern one's sex drive. So even when the show they're putting up isn't completely phoney and when they sincerely think that now they want a nice and dependable guy (because they learned the hard way that guys who are neither are shitty dating prospects), this doesn't suddenly make them genuinely attracted to those schlubs. The same goes for their change in behavior - they don't suddenly become domestic, pious, modest etc. because it's so much fun, they do it because they learned the hard way that the life they lived before backfired on them.

[–]hashtagpls 0 points1 point  (2 children)

now you know why so many older women in germany and europe are so supportive of islam; nothing puts a crink in younger women competition than making them cover up

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