Blue Pill ExampleNew York Times Promotes Open Hypergamy (a must read) (self.TheRedPill)

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The New York times recently published a length, well-written article titled "Is an Open Marriage a Happier Marriage?". It's a brilliant piece of blue-pilled subterfuge, which slowly draws the reader into thinking that an open marriage is a fair deal for both men and women. But, if you look closely you can see that open marriages are clearly designed to benefit the woman, with the man often complying out of desperation.

The article contains some real gems which will resonate with men who are becoming aware of the red pill.

Open relationships are usually initiated by the woman: "But of the 25 couples I encountered, a majority of the relationships were opened at the initiation of the women; only in six cases had it been the men". The article also reveals that it is just easier for women to find additional partners. One woman reveals that "although they had opened their marriage a few months earlier, she was the only one of the two of them who was seeing anyone: a wealthy entrepreneur, and a soccer player". Her husband on the other isn't interested in putting in the effort to have casual flings: “If I could meet someone for sex once a week with no emotional obligation, like a regular tennis game, I would do it, he said. But I already wooed someone, my wife, he said. I don’t want to have to do that again". Classic AF/BB.

The sad thing is that many of these men are trapped in marriages due to having children with a woman who no longer feels sexual attraction towards them. Given the ease with which women are able to gain access to sexual partners, open relationships are always going to favour the feminine imperative. Men simply have to comply and end up becoming cuckolds; providing emotional and financial support to a woman who gives her best sex to men who provide her with feels.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 188 points189 points  (22 children)

Given the ease with which women are able to gain access to sexual partners, open relationships are always going to favour the feminine imperative.

There was a great article on here about this happening.... until later in life when he had all the options and hers were diminishing.

At that point she demanded that they close the relationship again, using all sorts of emotional manipulation. He was having none of it.

The takeaway from all of this is that women will lie, cheat, and emotionally manipulate to further their goals. They will not reveal the true reasons for what they say, and will use emotional shaming language to get what they want.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 50 points51 points  (5 children)

There was a great article on here about this happening.... until later in life when he had all the options and hers were diminishing.

Oh, there will always be someone to pump a load into her well travelled ooze hole. They just enter a downward spiral of ever lowering standards in a desperate attempt to relive that time Chad fucker her so well that rainbows shot from her ass and set the curtains on fire. This is why these women end up so fucking miserable--chasing the dick dragon. Then one day they give up and sex for them just stops.

Think about all the lucky guys married to these princesses.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Death is preferable to being forced to live with one of those

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Oh, there will always be someone to pump a load into her well travelled ooze hole.

There's a lesson here.

Of the men who suggested an open marriage, they have options and want to go pursue those options "guilt free." Maybe they are high SMV guys or maybe they are in for a hard lesson.

Of the men in marriages where the woman suggested and open relationship, I suspect, without having looked at the article, that the beta hubbies in question have let themselves go, anesthetized themselves with sports and beer and not made themselves exceptional in any way. They also have given what they have to offer - commitment - to a woman who has basically spurned them, which is an announcement that their "commitment' is low-value. They are likely guys who had little to no game, and got married in the hopes that they'd have ready access to sex with a faithful wife, only to get crushed by her hypergamy.

Really, this a method for women to cope with being post-Wall.SPLAT! There are plenty of guys who she can't lock down but who will pump-n-dump her, and she can go back to riding the CC because she has a BB waiting for her at home.

So the take away is: don't let yourself slide, make yourself exceptional in one or more ways, and, well, don't get married. Let losers be losers. You be you.

[–]nsquared5 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Rightly said. It is important to have an abundance mindset while in relationships. All this open marriage nonsense will stop. It's important to keep reminding women of their place regularly if you have other options.

In reality, men too have access to host of sexual partners (starting with only a few dollars), but that is looked down upon by our society because it does not serve the feminine imperative. Hyprocrites!

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 10 points11 points  (0 children)

In reality, men too have access to host of sexual partners (starting with only a few dollars), but that is looked down upon by our society because it does not serve the feminine imperative. Hyprocrites!


Marriage is the ultimate BB. Whenever the woman opens up the marriage, she's not seeing you as the alpha and looking for some beta dollars on the side.

[–]aanarchist 8 points9 points  (10 children)

should i just assume that there's always some sort of backhanded goal behind her words?

[–]Sandman616 24 points25 points  (2 children)

You should assume no one has your best interests at heart and that they will do what they feel is right for them.

[–]aanarchist 6 points7 points  (1 child)

most people won't do what is right for them either.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 11 points12 points  (0 children)


literally everything they say is designed to increase her social standing or further general female best interests.

truth isn't even a distant second..... it's an inconvenience to be worked around.

[–]cashmoney_x 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly? Yes. It's just how humans work, man.

[–]merryhexmas 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Do you have a link to that story?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

sorry no...... and no idea how to search for it

[–]eucalyptusleaves 135 points136 points  (23 children)

Kevin: “I don’t have many jealousy triggers. But I don’t like it when someone my wife is seeing takes the parking spot in front of my house.”

I almost threw up after reading this. But the media and blue pill masses would say why not let your wife be groped and kissed in the parking spot in front of the house which you're paying the mortgage for?

This is one of the most depressing things I've ever read, and its in the NEW YORK TIMES, a newspaper that's won countless awards for its quality journalism. Lol that sure ain't the case no more

[–]_Hank-Scorpio_ 49 points50 points  (10 children)

Happy wife, happy life right?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 58 points59 points  (1 child)

I always have this urge to punch someone when they say this.

[–]_Hank-Scorpio_ 21 points22 points  (0 children)

You don't even need to. They are already punching themselves harder than anyone else ever could.

On second thought, maybe you do need to....

[–]eucalyptusleaves 21 points22 points  (0 children)

happy cuck, happy life right?

[–]HS-Thompson 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I mean, that is actually true. The part they don't tell you though is that being owned, sexually humiliated, and regularly disciplined is what makes women the happiest.

[–]TheDeadlyZebra 10 points11 points  (1 child)

  • As long as it's by "that guy." If you're not him, then it causes problems.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're married you were once 'that guy'. A lot of men use marriage as an excuse to to just call it quits on personal growth which leads to the woman losing attraction (more times than not it's the woman playing a role in this)

Marriage can work but it's not over after the wedding day. You'll still need to constantly make sure you are fit, displaying status, earning more income, etc to maintain attraction. Every dead bedroom I know of had one of those 3 things fall apart - lost job, gained weight, etc

Women don't love you for you. They love you for what you can bring to the table and as soon as that's over they will look elsewhere.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Then why are they so unhappy?

[–]chadjugo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

b/c it's actually happy life, happy wife

[–]Mail_Order_Lutefisk 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Hmm, Kev, bud, could that parking spot maybe be a metaphor for something else?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Now that was a shiv. Nicely played!

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 14 points15 points  (1 child)

And they wonder why mainstream media is losing credibility. But watch out, if you say out loud you dislike NYT and the like you're one step away of being called a fascist etc etc. I wonder how much lower can society go before it takes a turn up, because if it doesn't it's gonna collapse.

[–]razingcane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Let it collapse- the beta cucks will get blamed for sure and will mostly die off, probably by accepting the blame and committing suicide. And that would NOT be an invitation to hook up with man-hungry bitches; let them flounder. IF they can't afford the batteries for their vibrators let 'em stick a handful of cockroaches (how aptly named) up there as a substitute.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

The lying nyt has been a shit rag for decades

[–]razingcane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

they should change the motto: "All the news that fits, we print".

[–]SouloftheVoid 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The parking spot should be the least of that cuck's concern; maybe you should be more bothered by Chad parking his dick in your wife. That sort of shit makes me cringe whenever I read.

[–]razingcane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Start killing the paramours. Have to put them at risk.

[–]brinkleybuzz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Maybe I lack empathy but I'm thinking that a dude as weak as Kevin deserves to be cucked.

BTW, Kevin's wife looks like she plays for the New York Jets.

[–]eagle_267 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The jets suck so its a possibility

[–]eagle_267 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was never the case, they've always been all about spin and nonsense.


[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 63 points64 points  (3 children)

Let's cut to the chase:

No man actually wants to share his woman with one or more other men. The men who end up doing that are men who don't have other options. Their shared woman is the best they can get.

If a man is receiving offers from a dozen fine-looking women who are all begging for his dick, he is not going to respond, "No. Sorry. I don't want to have sex with one or multiple fine-looking women like you. I would rather be a cuck with my average wife who's fucking another man, only vaguely fucking me, and when she does, it's because she's thinking about him, because that's my thing."

A man who has offers from a dozen other fine-looking women fucks those women. The opportunity to share an average woman with another man doesn't even register on his radar.

If you ever see a man sharing his woman, it's because that man isn't good enough. He'll tell you it's his choice, but really, he had no choice. This was the only way he could keep his woman. And his options are so limited that he would rather grasp at threads and share some average woman with one or more other men than have nobody -- because that's what he'd be left with without her.

And that kind of man is the kind of man who can't attract other women. So an open marriage isn't really open for him, because he isn't attractive to other women. Or his wife. That's the very reason she opened things to begin with.

[–]resolutions316 19 points20 points  (0 children)

If you ever see a man sharing his woman, it's because that man isn't good enough.

The sheer amount of rationalization on the part of the men in this article was literally dizzying.

[–]Archange_ 10 points11 points  (0 children)

For a man to share his woman it takes more than simply having no better options. An overt affair eats the soul; the man in the story has bursts of angst though the writer spins them away. Something must have destroyed his ego and left him prideless. Or something else balances his disquiet. Possible reasons : raising his children into adulthood, keeping his finances together, not ruining his reputation by dumping a wife with life-ending disease. Because the article is about putting forward open marriages, such calculations are bound to be left out of the story.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Heck, I would rather be single than share some woman with another dude. At least if you are single, you have more money and should you need the urge for a "sexual release", you can pay for or jerk off. Plus, you deal with a lot less drama in your life. Even before TRP and times where I probably put the pussy on the pedestal, I would never be in an open relationship, because it would probably be like these scenarios where the chick gets dick everywhere and even if I can attract women, it won't be the same amount that the girlfriend can attract.

[–][deleted] 124 points125 points  (19 children)

the men in the article are beta cucks. not a single one of them are getting any at all, while their women go off and fuck everyone.

contrast to an alpha... that shit eats women alive. women would rather share an alpha than own a beta. women will regularly put up with a one-sided "open marriage" with an alpha if they don't think they can branch swing higher.

[–]BestSC86 70 points71 points  (16 children)

Look it isn't even the difficult...

If you are weak and the girl in the relationship then the girl is going to become the alpha male of the relationship.

These women are just the plate spinning RPers of these marriages.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (2 children)

These women are just the plate spinning RPers of these marriages.

That's so brilliant. If you don't alpha up then she will.

[–]alefmale 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yea alpha is a relational term. The power dynamics of relationships ensure that one personal is always the alpha and one is the beta. If you don't lead your dog, your dog will lead you. Women aren't dogs, obviously, but that's not important. In any relationship, there is the need for leadership.

[–]Hltchens 6 points7 points  (12 children)

OK I have to put my two cents in on this one, because I have personal experience with this phenomenon. To keep this short, I actually ended up stealing a girl from an open relationship. Basically the girl was in college and her boyfriend at the time was away, working or at another college, I don't know but basically he was never there could only be there once every couple months. Anyway, basically an old fling set me up with this girl (which obviously is always the best option if you can have it, because literally all the work is done for you by by the old fling) we were at the college bar, a bar I frequented, and she basically told this girl she was gonna fuck me. Which I didn't know she said that at the time, I just heard later from her. And we end up doing the deed and I sleep at her dorm till I have to go to work the next day. At work we're texting and she says about the open relationship. I say oh okay you like that, huh. And she says yeah, it's like that. Well, we kept fucking every night. This girl was seriously sex starved or had as a drive as me. Maybe she just liked riding cock while she had a bf. Apparently she was bisexual too, I don't know I never saw proof of that. Might've just been something she said to increase her SMV, or maybe she really was an honest woman. Because let's be real here, the majority of women are lesbians. They think women are sexy. The more they love themselves, the more they love other women. Narcississistic behavior (the general female condition) correlates well with lesbian/bisexual women, while interestingly enough so does self loathing and hate end up correlating well with homosexual men. You know very well how many hate(d) themselves, and some will tell you it was because they hated being different, but we all know now the truth is they have a self loathing predisposition for whatever reason, and that leads them to becoming what everyone will hate them most for being, which is homosexual and proud of it. But I digress.

About a month goes by and this girl says she loves me, while her bf was out at the same bar with us. She went back to her dorm with him and fucked him, told me it sucked comparatively etc; I didn't really care. I wasn't emotionally invested so who she fucks and how they fuck is none of my concern. Even if it's bad. So things get back to normal when he leaves and a couple weeks later I tell her to break up with him. She says yeah it's probably best or whatever, and does it. I shit you not, this beta and literal cuck, who dated this chick for a few years even, broke down. Tried everything to get her back. He would call and ask if I was there, and she'd say no (but it was on speaker and I could hear him) and he would thoroughly try and berate me. Talk about shit from my past, just generally try to denigrate me in order to gain favor. He'd bring up shit he bought her, and say "I'll change" blah blah. He took a page out of the beta book. This shit went on for two months. Meanwhile, we're "dating", as in going on dinner dates and doing shit together. We always split the bill which usually worked out for me because I'd get the expensive shit.

I guess I can wrap up this weird story with a conclusion now. She graduated, went home which was a few hrs away. Was going on to grad school. I wasn't really doing anything with my life and we parted ways. Pretty soon after graduation. I have no idea what she's doing or where she is/who she's fucking in an open relationship these days. Don't know, don't care.

[–]BestSC86 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I am going to say this as nicely as possible but no way in hell am I going to LTR or date a chick that that would sit by and let that shit with the calls happen no matter how big a cuck the dude was nor the shit about coming to you complaining about her BF's sex while sucking your dick.

Frankly, not surprised she is in an "open relationship"....she sounds like a nasty toxic piece of crap to be frank. And I can stick my dick in just as nice pussy without having that kind of trash in my life.

And likely hope that you realize that she was telling her other pieces of dick very similar things ABOUT YOU, when she was in their bed.

[–]Hltchens 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't really care. She can say and do whatever she wants.

[–]TryhardPantiesON 29 points30 points  (0 children)

women would rather share an alpha than own a beta

This is the brutal honesty that i like from this subreddit, thanks for this piece of knowledge.

[–]maniclurker 60 points61 points  (3 children)

Fucked around with a girl who was in an "open marriage". She was the one that initiated. She even admitted to me that she cheated on him before he finally acquiesced. She fucked myself and at least 2 other guys in the month it took for him to bang another girl.

The night he did fuck someone, she started breaking down crying and admitted to being jealous mid-sex. I just kept on pumping. This is the same fucking girl that wanted me to fuck her on the counter in front of her husband and his brother one night when I was dropping her off.

Women. WTF.

[–]reckful994 9 points10 points  (1 child)

This is the same fucking girl that wanted me to fuck her on the counter in front of her husband and his brother one night when I was dropping her off.

And that would be the moment I was done with her. That's just degeneracy.

[–][deleted] 174 points175 points  (24 children)

I'm halfway through this article right now and I'm feeling angry and sad. This couple is telling their teenage kids that the dad is a cuck and their mom sleeps with a married man, and the son is proud.

Makes me want to go MGTOW.

[–]RAQBU 200 points201 points  (13 children)

People like Daniel just utterly disgust me, how the fuck can a man have so little respect for himself?

He reaches under his pillow on a night when his wife is with her boyfriend and finds a note she has left, knowing his hand would slide precisely there. He opens it up to see a picture of a heart, with their names written inside, a plus sign between them.

What a lucky guy!

[–]slay_it_forward 102 points103 points  (5 children)

Jesus. Most pathetic thing I've read in a long time

[–]sigma272 93 points94 points  (4 children)

It reads almost like satire written by one of us. Are we 100% sure GLO doesn't have a part-time job at the NYT?

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (2 children)

Honestly that pillow note thing is the funniest fucking thing ive ever read. Just imagine having that life holy shit

[–]Koryphae_ 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Imagine if it ACTUALLY happened. Clearly over-romanticised...

[–]derp_derpington 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah she didn't take the time to think of that she was busy getting smashed

[–]smokeybehr 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Ugh. I'm literally sickened at that little scene.

[–]legacyReasons 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I actually thought it was the boyfriends name and like some invite to a threesome but the truth, fuck.

[–]Windforce 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You got some imagination there sir. I just simply thought it was "directed by M. Night Shyamalan".

[–]Koryphae_ 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This whole piece is so disgusting I could not read it to the end.

[–]eagle_267 0 points1 point  (0 children)

same here. just want to scream wtf are u doing and punch them in the face hoping they snap out of it.

[–]StraightWhiteMaleLOL 76 points77 points  (4 children)

As a father, this is sickening to me.

[–]legacyReasons 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Exactly, have your wierd cuckold fantasy life but don't get the kids involved. Next it will be "hey kids, Daddy is my gimp now."

[–]_Hank-Scorpio_ 13 points14 points  (1 child)

"hey kids, watch our group sex so that you know how to have a healthy relationship when you are older!"

[–]SouloftheVoid 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Hey kids, do you know you are not considered a real man until you can do oral and anal at the same time with two different guys?"

[–]RAQBU 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Dad where's mum gone?"

"She's spending the night at Chad's house son"

[–]Shariabluew 49 points50 points  (1 child)

He needs to be taken out to the shed like old yeller and put out of his misery.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 9 points10 points  (0 children)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eh, I pretty much went mgtow after my last LTR. I screw around a little, but I don't see me letting anyone else ever move in

[–]a1004 53 points54 points  (3 children)

I think many of this stories (sad as hell) are on relationships were the woman realize she not only have the upper hand, but also she feel totally free to scape, while the husband is totally trapped in the marriage.

#1 rule for any man in a relationship must be having freedom to leave any time.

This is more important than lifting, being attractive, non being unattractive, having game or whatever. If you can not leave the relationship easily, then you can end on one of those articles.

What have all this couples in common: not being married, but having kids. The scare of losing them is what can really break a man into such a cuck.

[–]Njncguy 51 points52 points  (2 children)

I remember some 20 years ago, in the midst of marriage counseling, my wife's suggested solution was to have an open marriage. She was sleeping with two other guys at the time and freezing me out sexually.

Underlying it all, her SMV was higher than mine. Her Wall Street job had taken off (helped by sleepling with the boss). My being in good -- great shape -- did not offset such a disparity in career success.

It took me 2 seconds to say "NO" to her open marriage suggestion. As I told her, such a setup was just a pathway to abject misery for me. As a woman, she could have all the lovers she wanted. ... Her suggestion that I take up with one of the mothers of our kids' friends was absurd. How in good conscience could of I even consider doing such a home wrecking thing?

At my insistence, we got divorced not long afterwards. That NO -- and the divorce -- was far and away best for me.

[–]SouloftheVoid 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That is how a real man handles that situation.

[–]diomedes777 42 points43 points  (5 children)

Just read this and then the new Extra chewing gum ad immediately came on the TV after I finished, the one where the brides in the limo after ditching the husband at the altar with "he's got a car, he's got a house, he's got money - but that doesn't mean he gets you" voiceover. This ad is for CHEWING GUM.

I honestly feel as if I am going insane

[–]chance01 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Saw that commercial. There's a show on NBC called First Dates. It is filled with BP and RP confirmations and truths.

[–]alefmale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe insane but at least not delusional.

[–]harsheehorshee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude that shit is still on? Not only is it fucking bp as hell, it's still perpetuating that stupid "Asian patriarchy" stereotype every since the fucking joy luck club made its debut.

[–]thedaynos 109 points110 points  (18 children)

lol they love slamming Catholics too "raised by Catholics so I don't know how to truly love someone" wtf is this shit? Oh ok so being a fucking athiest or muslim is the key to understanding love and life's purpose? fuck outta here. i'm only half a page in and already pissed. fuck this article

[–]TermsOfColors 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I'm not Catholic but I know people who are, so far as I know there's nothing specific to their religion that would prevent them from knowing how to love someone. Maybe the author was raised by shitty people who happened to be Catholic or maybe (and more likely) whoever wrote that is a shitty person looking for a scapegoat.

[–]thedaynos 20 points21 points  (1 child)

it's just typical Catholic bashing by a cucked news organization. It's all related to breaking down the family structure to get more single moms, raising more idiot kids, thus more people dependent on government and on our way to socialism where these big corporations and powerful politicians will never have to worry about job security. they seriously do not care at all about the world they leave behind, not even for their kids, as long as they're living the life.

[–]eagle_267 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Its always done in the name of the children. They are very good at manipulating a mans sense of honor and wanting to protect. Limiting gun rights, destroying competitive sports, speech codes, crazy new math we need these things just think about the children! Luckily people are starting to wake up and take the red pill.

[–]BH40 points points [recovered]

😂 yeah I gotta agree...an "alpha" woman is a untrustworthy woman. Self centered bullshit is all that causes in her. I used to let my gf affect my life with her dread game. That's a thing of the past! I learned dread by getting involved with other girls and my gf flipped the fuck out! But then, something happened...she started fucking and sucking on command. She wanted to know what I wanted those girls for. I told her the truth, they are exciting.

Don't ever ever ever hand a woman the reigns. They'll run you right off the cliff with themselves included.

[–]eagle_267 50 points51 points  (9 children)

The NY Times is garbage "Fake news". The whole thing is monument to moral and cultural rot that is feminism and Marxism.

[–]Friendly_Jackal 26 points27 points  (8 children)

Exactly, it's only being published because it furthers the agenda. You'll never see them publish an article saying how having a nuclear family and going to church every week makes a man happier.

[–]SouloftheVoid -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Church is just a money pit and a brain drain. It should be avoided.

[–]TriggeringEveryone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of course it's anti-Catholic. The author is a Jew.

[–]Archange_ 53 points54 points  (5 children)

The main character in the paper Elisabeth has Parkinson disease and she entered what is actually a mere affair after starting treatment. Important points:

  • Parkinson's disease affects mood and its main medical treatments induce mood changes. A woman's feelings change considerably in the first months of the treatment. The husband was not warned and did nothing to manage the transition.
  • Following medical advice, she adopted a more active lifestyle chiefly hiking and meeting new people. A significant change in her life routine. She felt energised. The husband did not follow her steps. His remaining lazy reduced his already low SMV.
  • Such a diagnosis puts death in front of your eyes. Like most people she wanted to enjoy the last part of her life. This means looking beyond her professional, motherly and wifely duties. The husband overlooked this desire and offered her support to face the disease. He demeaned himself to the position of a nurse.

The opportunity of an affair presented itself. She started it, continued it despite the protests of the husband, stringed him through pointless counselling and deflected divorce by insisting on parental duty and offering him some sex. Why avoid divorce ? She runs the household : she decides and the husband ends up complying; she gets money; she has a servant at home who helps with the children. The lover will not provide and is completely uninterested in raising her children.

So Elisabeth has an open extra-marital affair shrouded in progressive speech about open mariage. The husband has not yet figured out what to with the openness.

[–]Dopesack points points [recovered]

That's as accurate as it gets, "shrouded in progressive speech." The sad part is that this is going to get way worse before it gets better, if it ever does.

And so..Redpill should start recruiting. Fuck waiting for scrubs to want to step out of the matrix, i wanna straight shove people off that cliff. Ignorance is bliss? Too fucking bad, be a man.

[–]tempintheeastbay 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Doctor in the NYT comments added that common Parkinson's medication increases sex drive and impulsiveness, to your point. Definitely should have been mentioned.

EDIT: "doctor"....don't wanna sound too gullible, now

[–]1whatsazipper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dopamine agonists, if anyone's interested.

[–]Sandman616 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Lol How to do that? Fuck a beta's girl and give him a business card for TRP?

[–]BargainBinBoyfriend 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not a terrible idea, really.

[–]GoRedBad points points [recovered]

The thing that makes me most uncomfortable about this whole thing is that it could have been me (and probably most of you) if not for accidentally getting redpilled while browsing online many years ago.

[–]TermsOfColors 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I don't know anyone that would put up with that shit. There's red pills and blue pills and then there's common sense and self-respect. I don't know where you come from or anyone else on here but that shit don't fly where I'm from.

[–]Merwebb 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The master appears when the student is ready

[–]TheRiseAndFall 14 points15 points  (0 children)

TRP confirmed the truths that I was already starting to see. I decided to never get married back in high school. My relationships there and in college only strengthened my resolve on the matter.

I only see women as plates and flings now. This article does not surprise me in the least.

Marriage is fucked today. Don't get married.

[–]DorsalMorsel 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Wouldn't the easy solution for the man in this situation to say: "Open marriage? Ok I'm off to Pattaya for a sex vacation. Then when I get back it's hookers and rub and tugs at least twice a week. Watch the kids while I'm away will ya?"

Prostitution is the easy leveler in an abnormal dynamic like this, because the woman considers his money as her money, and the thought of that money going to a hot young thing would drive her crazy.

[–]1OneRedSock 16 points17 points  (1 child)

The problem is these men don't believe in prostitution. They are so far gone that they don't even see that as an option; they are so utterly beta in their thought processes. They have been raised in a generation where an emotional bond needs to be created prior to sex. Most of them had poor relationships with their fathers and raised by a mother who complained a lot about their father's male traits. They then disassociate and repress these male tendencies to create the persona that will be most pleasing to their mother, and hopefully the opposite sex at large.

I have a friend like this, who gets uncomfortable at strip clubs. He's repressed any male characteristics to the point of becoming beta supreme. He had a shot with a chick in college that he had been working on for some time. Once he finally made out with her, his ex tells him she's jealous and wants him back. Instead of pursuing the conquest of the other chick, he quits. Guess who he is married to now and never gets sex from.

The point is, these men have been conditioned by not only immediate family members but the media at large to associate male characteristics as toxic. Women changed the game on them, and now they want to change the rules, too. I wouldn't be surprised if my friend ends up being cucked in his relationship at some point in the future.

[–]AlwaysFlank 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey to be fair, you perfectly described pre-TRP me

[–]Mail_Order_Lutefisk 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That is exactly why "keep your laws off my body" does not apply to prostitution. The health and safety elements of it could be much better regulated if it were an above-board business and police resources could be dedicated toward compliance issues rather than the monstrous projects that are involved in backpage and similar stings. Of course, women fundamentally know that if the US had a prostitution market similar to the markets in places like the Netherlands or Japan (so not even something crazy like Thailand) that the SMV of your average woman would immediately drop by 2-3 points and the expenses men would incur in chasing women would fall off a cliff.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that's when she'll hamster a divorce and even though it's "open marriage" the court would side with her and the guy will get his culo gaped financially

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

NYTimes promoting the decline.

[–]Dopesack points points [recovered]

Fucking gross, I'd rather die in complete isolation.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I have a nice, faithful wife and I still prefer complete isolation

[–]AlwaysFlank 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe you should share her, you'll get some alone time

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I'm a subscriber of a platform for casual dating and have met several women who were in relationships but nevertheless wanted to sleep with other people. There are roughly three types of that arrangement.

  1. Relationships that are open on both sides: The couple has an agreement and both parties have their respective lovers.
  2. Open relationships that are effectively one-sided: The woman sleeps around but the guy for some reason doesn't. Usually the justification is some version of "I need more sex, but he's doesn't need anyone else besides me, and he's totally understanding and we're so happy with each other", i.e. full-blown hamstering. And no, the guys didn't have a cuckolding fetish.
  3. The woman is cheating, usually because she's aware that her partner wouldn't go along with it.

I came to the conclusion that (2) isn't really better than (3) - women who live in such an arrangement aren't honest about it because they value honesty so much, but because they want to think that this somehow makes it "okay". They're doing it for themselves - and do so at the expense of the emotional wellbeing of their partner who (my hunch) goes along with it because he doesn't want to lose her and not because he truly doesn't care.

Also, one comment below the article was pretty interesting:

Open marriages are nothing new. And they tend to be more workable in the early stages than later, when side relationships that are supposed to remain "casual" may balloon into much more. "Open marriage" often seems to rest on the assumption that feelings can be managed and controlled. I'd be interested in hearing about the couples who opened their marriages 20, 30 or even 40 years ago. How many are still together?

[–]Penguin327 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Women have almost achieved their millennia-old dream of alpha fux beta bucks being socially acceptable. I estimate we've got 15 years left until it's practiced widely and western civilisation will be on its knees.

[–]unknownknowledge 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The manosphere could very well be the ripple that turns the tide in future generations. The knowledge that we now have simply didn't exist, certainly not for the average man, in years gone by.

None of us can unlearn what we have learnt so we must now use this knowledge to drive a new life where we are the centre point first and foremost.

[–]SMVSMY 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Daniel, who is tall and dark, has mass to him, and strong features; Joseph has blue eyes and is more compact, a former high-school athlete who still, like Elizabeth, works out with discipline. Daniel’s ideal day entails relaxing around the house or hearing live music; Joseph relishes yardwork and is fastidious about his car. Daniel is a processor, a philosopher, a talker; Joseph is, as Elizabeth often says, “a simple guy.”

Wife loses the tingles for her husband. Meets someone else who gives her tingles.

Nothing to see here, folks. Just an open marriage.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Open relationships serve the top 80% of females and the top 20% of males. Be one of those top 20% and it will serve you. You'll be one of those guys the average girl sees and decides to convince her bf to enter an open relationship. Remember, the 80/20 rule is the natural way of things. Pairing off 1:1 is a forced, synthetic system imposed by religion in the past to increase birth rates and stability.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Pairing off 1:1 is a forced, synthetic system imposed by religion in the past to increase birth rates and stability.

exactly, we're not monogamous creatures, never were and never will be. almost everyone fucks on the side and if they don't, they wish they did and only stay committed because of the society's brainwashing

[–]thewrightstuff88 46 points47 points  (21 children)

It's nothing new that women are the gender who partake in more media consumption than men. Link that with how newspapers are a dying industry and you'll have a large, well respected newspaper like the NYT making articles like this in order to woo an audience.

Topics like this are discussed and addressed on TV shows, in music, and magazines so it really isn't anything new. The only thing we can do is be aware of what is going on around us and not ignoring it.

If your LTR wants an open relationship, your relationship is pretty much shit at that point and you might as well end it since if your SMV was high enough, she wouldn't do it in the first place. It will save you the headache and allow you to learn from your mistakes.

[–]103342 49 points50 points  (18 children)

if your SMV was high enough, she wouldn't do it in the first place.

I will never understand people that think this is true. It doesn't matter what your SMV is, people will want to cheat, more than human nature, this is female nature.

If you don't understand that women are biologically programmed to cheat you haven't swallowed the red pill yet.

It takes effort on their part not to cheat. Keep this in your head. Because women cheat on high value, high status guys all the time. They even do it with guys that are clearly low SMV compared to their LTR.

The simplistic thought that high SMV will make a woman faithful and loyal sounds ridiculous to me at this point. Like another blue pill that TRP insists on not spitting out.

[–]Entrefut 32 points33 points  (4 children)

I'm just sitting here thinking how the fuck do my grandparents have their 65th anniversary next week and I honestly believe my grandmother hasn't done shit with other men. Who knows about my grandfather, but I don't think women like her really exist anymore and I fucking hate it.

Incredible cook, doesn't like leaving the house without her husband, raised 6 kids, plays musical instruments, does most of the book keeping/ investment planning for the two, all the grocery shopping, cleaning etc. Keeps to herself and obviously has never had social media or any shit like that, they share a phone number, so much stuff about their relationship that isn't possible now a days and it makes me sad that that shit just isn't possible anymore.

They are the embodiment of the concept of marriage, they aren't two separate people at this point. They're one unit that works together on everything and it's sad knowing that this kind of bond has pretty much died in society and they've been that way since they were 21 and 19.

[–]Dopesack points points [recovered]

This is the dream guys have being pitched since birth, its why we're all here now, wondering why the fuck it doesnt exist

[–]Entrefut 22 points23 points  (1 child)

And we all know exactly why at this point, our society is no longer built to promote that kind of thinking. All the feminist propaganda and sexual promiscuity propaganda undermines that thinking and helps everyone give into their biology. The dating market today is the same as the obesity epidemic, caused by the desire of instant gratification and what feels best right now. People are just weaker than they used to be and it's because most people have no concept of internal gratification being the sole driver of their lives. It's sad, but at this point I'm over it because fucking these girls is enjoyable right now. It just sucks knowing that people like my grandparents are a dying breed, because as a team they went from the bottom end of society to the top 1% with 6 kids.

Grandmother worked her ass off to keep my grandfather afloat while he worked his ass off through school and then eventually some pretty high end engineering jobs. These types of relationships are what the whole American dream was based on, now I have a girl coming over to my place to cheat on her boyfriend with me for the third time this week. It's depressing even though for the most part it won't really effect me until I'm much much older.

[–]TryhardPantiesON 20 points21 points  (2 children)

It takes effort on their part not to cheat

Unlike men, it takes effort for men to cheat, not because we are puritans, but because it takes bigger effort to attract women, it takes resources like money and time to court women, women just make themselves available, and they have a harem of dicks around them.

[–]AwakenedSovereign 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This depends entirely on SMV. It applies to both men and women. The more attractive you are, the less effort is required to cheat.

I'm maybe a 7. Good facial aesthetics, skin, hair, clothes, cocky/funny, 5'10" 155 & cut. I get IOIs and subtle 'invitations' on a daily basis, even from women who know I have a GF. Sometimes especially from them.

Past these subtle IOIs and invitations are women who actively pursue and try to seduce me. One recently was married with kids. A bit older but still smoking hot with a tight body. The only subtlety involved there was her not making it too obvious while my GF was around, like she was auditioning to be the mistress and proving she could keep a secret.

I don't cheat. I don't set out to approach or flirt with women, though I enjoy it from time to time when it finds me. I basically don't lift a finger to attract other women, and still have opportunities thrown in my face to cheat.

For attractive women, take that and magnify x100. Dicks thrown in their faces every single day. Big thick ones attached to attractive dudes. All the while media and society at large are screaming at the top of their lungs 'you go girl! be free! be beautiful! have your cake and eat it too!'

And this is why even though my GF is a doll I have trouble trusting her & women in general.

[–]TryhardPantiesON 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't cheat. I don't set out to approach or flirt with women, though I enjoy it from time to time when it finds me. I basically don't lift a finger to attract other women, and still have opportunities thrown in my face to cheat.

I have experienced this a couple of times, when in past relationships, women would show IOI, and outright flirt with me infront of the woman i was dating at the time, and i wasn't even hot, i used to be 5´10", 220 pounds, around 25% body fat, white-caucasian.

Man if women used to flirt and send me subtle IOI when i was a slob, i can't wait to see what i get when i get ripped.

[–]Five_Decades 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Ask Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt if having a high smv protected them from hypergamy, users and abusers.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I will never understand people that think this is true. It doesn't matter what your SMV is, people will want to cheat, more than human nature, this is female nature.

This is one area where I agree women are like children. There must be IMMEDIATE and VISCERAL consequences for an action before they remove it as an option. Cheating might lead to a divorce? Whatever. Cheating might get their shit put on the curb that night and their circle of friends turned against them? Yeah, ok, maybe not.

[–]Dopesack points points [recovered]

I not only second this but encourage trpers who think it might be as a result of their own SMV to reflect on it. Google oxytocin and vasopressin (and it's differing role/affect in social behavior for men and women). Evolutionary biology made for unfaithful women.

Maybe it was you or your fault, but if you've been progressing as you should be(lifting, learning, acquiring wealth), dwelling on whether it was or not will not help you in any way...and it's likely it would have happened eventually either way..so you only have two options: know hoes will hoe, or find motivation in hoes hoeing to keep building yourself.

[–]TRP_MushaShugyo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's fascinating... Is that akin for men in the sense that after we orgasm we often have a ping of disgust in the woman? As if to say, "Already impregnated this one, move on?"

[–]liberated-cheese 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sex with new people isn't the only way to stimulate oxytocin. It isn't a binary situation. I feel like this frame is weak.

[–]capsigrany 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I think you have the hormones mixed. Dopamine is the hormone of sexual attraction and desire for both men and women on new relations. It's a strong drug. On LTR its changed for oxytocin for women and vassopresine for men, and it's associated with a lighter desire based on comfort, security, commitment. And testosterone sets the base libido level of people.

The appeal for dopamine is unquestionable.

[–]Dopesack points points [recovered]

Dopamine is obviously involved, but almost everything else you just said is wrong.

[–]capsigrany 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ok, later I'll check it again as it's interesting stuff.

[–]Omnibrad 32 points33 points  (1 child)

"The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors."
-Thomas Jefferson

[–]dewhiteschute 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Real life version of Little Bill from Boogie Nights. Sad!

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Remember, no-fault divorce, stacked child custody courts, and lifetime alimony are the glue that hold this shit sandwich together. They create the threat point that enables women to make unilateral demands. Don't get married.

[–]badDayAtBerchdsgaden 1 point2 points  (1 child)

As a younger guy, I am looking fowrward to the total destruction in the lives of the idiot betas in my social circle once they get married in their mid 20s and they suddenly discover what women are really like. Its gonna be glorious

[–]Conceited-Monkey 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I can agree to the idea that monogamy is not our natural state. Sex at Dawn thesis aside, LTRs tend to introduce stability and security at the expense of the novelty and unpredictability that produce tingles.

That being said, the bulk of the open relationships I see pretty much follow the same pattern: The woman usually dates constantly, while the husband stays home, takes care of the kids, and pays the bills. For the guy to set up a side piece, or pieces, he needs free time and money, which is seldom available. In contrast, a woman who wants dick usually does not have to do much to get it. The woman's wild sex is usually reserved for her extracurricular partners. Her primary relationship guy gets pity sex, but gets to act as an emotional tampon to comfort the woman during all the emotional drama involved in banging a bunch of other guys. I read about successful poly relationships, but I have never actual seen any that were equitable. There is an inherent power imbalance in these arrangements due to gender realities. Also, the women I see in real world poly arrangements are not usually in danger of being press ganged into doing Lingerie modeling.

[–]_Hank-Scorpio_ 11 points12 points  (0 children)

My favorite comment:

A beautifully written story, which has transformed the way I see and experience all my relationships, sexual and non-sexual, male and female.

The deep compassion of the author, Susan Dominus, snuck up on me, like a Siamese cat wandering silently into my room, who begins to rub herself against my feet.

The emotional strings Susan Dominus played on my heart struck so deeply that I remembered, once again, who I was, and what I wanted.

As I continued to read, I began to sense that she was about to reveal something very significant about her own life.

This is journalism at its finest.

Written by a "man" of course.

I can't imagine the mental illness involved in this charade, or the willingness of the parties involved to use real names and be photographed. In the last one, the "man" even consented to be photographed with his wife and another dude!

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"A non-existent marriage is a happier marriage."

Don't get married.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But of the 25 couples I encountered, a majority of the relationships were opened at the initiation of the women

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you! TRP doesn't know diddly shit...

[–]_Hank-Scorpio_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Choice comment:

"There is also a political component here that could have been addressed too, and I'd like to share this now. Many conservatives - and Trump voters in particular - are deeply threatened by this approach to love. They call progressive men "betas," or "cuckolds" as if it's some grave form of insult, when in reality it takes a great deal of bravery and self-security to love one's spouse enough to let them love others as well. These deplorable conservatives used to shame gay people in the same way, and four decades ago I imagine the Times might have used the middle names of people in gay relationships too. Well now they can be open about it, and my hope is that the sexual revolution moves apace to a point where these poly-amorous couples can be just as open in the future.

One other political connection is the geography of the new marriage. Lat week Thomas Edsall had a wonderful column highlighting how progressives tend to not marry, to be single parents, and to have non-traditional living arrangements. The data showed that most were living in the North East and other blue environs, as many of these couples do. Again, this is all very progressive, and good!"

I want to call attention to this: "Again, this is all very progressive, and good!"

In this person's incoherent world view, there is no such thing as rigid morals or standards...................EXCEPT, of course, that whatever she/he deems "progressive" is good (and that anything conservative or traditional is "bad").

If you're too dumb to realize the logical inconsistency there, how do you even function on a daily basis? I don't understand.

It's a NYT Editor's choice comment of course.

[–]tempintheeastbay 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The last line broke my heart. Daniel says he's happy wife asked him,"What can I do to make you happy?"

Spouses should ask each other that all the time. It shouldn't take 2 affairs.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I don't read any of this bullshit anymore, this whole country has been cucked for a very long time. I have been planning to move to Romania for a few months, I just don't give a fuck anymore. I hope the whole thing burns.

[–]1mugenowns 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The article fails to mention she cheated on him. She kissed another man while still in a 'closed' relationship and then told him to deal with it. Dude should have walked away ten and let the new shaky man take care of her.

[–]Throwawaysteve123456 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If there was one FUCKING SHRED of me left that wanted to marry, it was killed 5 minutes ago. Fuck.

[–]10xdada 6 points7 points  (0 children)

what do men get out of marriage again? It's like giving away a free option on your assets with the hope that your wife will stay because she can't find a better offer. Marriage is just paying for sex, but usually without the sex.

Marriage is like hiring someone and saying, "I'll give you half my company if you stay and run it." and they're like, "yes pls. but why would I stay when I can take half the company then leave to get half of another company as well? Oh and btw, you will have to give me %80 of the company if you want to see your kids again. kthxbye."

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well, as a single man who don't mind fucking girls in relationships, I'll just say: "Good. Very good."

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This should be considered a good thing. Even the biggest simp has to look at marriage and realize what a shit deal it is after seeing this.

[–]Cunt_Robber 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Isn't this good for RPers looking for casual/non-committal relationships? You're not dealing with her baggage, you don't have to worry about her trying to lock you down, have your kids, spend your money, etc., she's got her cuck dealing with that at home. The only party not benefiting from this is the cuckolded husband, who likely deserves his situation. The message is simple: don't be the husband.

Let's stop trying to point out how much better marriage 1.0 was (this theme is beyond cliche'd at this point, and the past ain't coming back) or how progressively more downhill things have been getting with marriage 2.0. The message is clear: marriage is a bad deal for men. Smart, resourceful men will find a way around this. Betas will marry and be cucked. I think what the New York Times promotes is better for alpha men, and a large part of the TRP community should be in favor of hypergamy in open marriages!

When your SMV is high, you can even go for married/taken women. Some will take the opportunity, if presented under enough "plausible deniability." Then you will see how fragile a man's position in a marriage truly is.

The only issue is kids. If you want kids, you have to risk getting cucked/cheated on/divorced. Is the risk worth the reward? is the question a man who wants kids has to ask himself.

[–]TermsOfColors 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would urge caution over these situations, especially ideas based around internet articles etc. Make sure you know what you're getting into because things are not always what they seem. If you don't mind the drama then go for it.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 8 points9 points  (1 child)

All of us are allready in open marriages because the government taxes men more and spends it disproportionately on women.

[–]10xdada 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sounds like, "bureaugamy." Women married to the bureaucracy, property of the state and loaned to men at usurious interest (support/alimony), resulting in nations of controllable male debt slaves.

[–]SpecOpsAlpha 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just put her shit out on the front lawn while all the locks are changed. Keep track of infidelity. Mostly, just kick the slut to the curb.

[–]Vasallo7G 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What is the point of an open marriage if anyone can fuck your wife? that is the only reason you actually marry? or I am missing something?

[–]brinkleybuzz points points [recovered]

On the one hand, I can understand why a woman wouldn't be attracted to a man who was so weak that he would knowingly allow another man to fuck his wife in his home.

On the other hand, only a sadististic person would openly exploit this weakness to the point of complete humiliation.

My takeway from this: don't let the flowery bullshit about "an open relationship will bring us closer together fool you". Women loathe weak men and will manipulate and take advantage of them to get what they want.

[–]bolupua 5 points6 points  (6 children)

I don't think its fair to attack hypergamy. It's like when women attack our preference for young girls.

It's the way it is, and humans are on the whole better for it.

Don't hate the rules, play them.

[–]techzilla 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If you don't hate the rules, you're just a slimy POS. Play because you have no choice, but always retain your passion.

[–]Y0gurtDestiny 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There's a lot of anger and resentment coming through there. I think some of that is misdirected and unproductive. Direct your energy somewhere constructive, like ongoing self-improvement. Don't dwell on what you can't change.

[–]RPmatrix 2 points3 points  (5 children)

The sad thing is that many of these men are trapped in marriages due to having children with a woman who no longer feels sexual attraction towards them.

I had often wondered if there's not some type of biological programming that causes a women, once she's had a couple of kids to a guy, to lose attraction to him so that her next 'breeding partner' will be different, allowing a greater diversity of gentic material to have an opportunity to 'evolve'?

The way most women can so easily switch partners without 'skipping a beat' is another demonstration of this IMO, for is a woman's partner suddenly dies while out hunting or whatever, it will be 'psychologically easier' for her to make the transition to a "new man/provider"

IDK, that's just my own speculation after watching and participating in a lot of female behavior

edit: grammar

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

On your second part, see the war brides post by rollo.

On your first part: interesting. I feel like I read this thesis somewhere once but can't remember where. Will get back to you on that

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It's extremely common for a woman to lose attraction after the first child. If a child doesn't occur, a woman typically loses attraction after one to two years. Attraction can be cultivated but it's entirely on the man to recognize how to do so. A typical woman will seek to increase her comfort in the relationship with an inverse and proportional effect on attraction.

[–]RPmatrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If a child doesn't occur, a woman typically loses attraction after one to two years.

This is my experience, I don't want children and I've found this is still the case, even with women who also say they don't want kids.

I've come to believe this is a completely normal biological response for a woman, although even they often don't know why their 'feelings' have changed for ''their man".

It was after my 4th ~2yr LTR ended when I was in my late 20's when I realised it wasn't a logical reason but a biological one and things became much easier

Once I realised this, I never 'pushed' an LTR once this became clear, if things are souring, it's time to say 'goodbye'

IME women are much more affected by their 'biology' than the average male, which I have no doubt is directly connected to the hormonal fluctutions they experience during a menstrual cycle

I've known women who have warned me to "just ignore her moods" during the first few days of her period!

She was a pretty cool woman, but she also had PCS and couldn't have kids ,,, but still, he warning was appreciated!

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The moment she says 'open marriage' your only option is to say 'ok, I agree'.

Then start 'relocating' your bank accounts and assets and plan your exit with a good lawyer. You document her actions for court and custody. Her newly inflated ego and extra cum in her eyes will keep her blind to future events. When you're broke on paper, you give the final blow.

[–]jake__johanson 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Look at the source of the article. Look who wrote it. Does she have any similarities to every other author of every other article like this? You don't have to look hard to see it.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the only way it comes out equally for men in open relationships is when the couple are swingers and swing together, i.e. with other couples or at swinger parties. i know quite a few swinger couples and they're pretty happy. however I do know two couples that are also swingers but don't always play together and the woman always gets way more dick than the guy gets pussy

[–]platewrecked 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“It caused a lot of pain, so I’m still not even sure why I fought for it the way I did,” she finally said. “I really just felt like it was right, like it was important to my growth. It was like I was choosing to take a stand for my own pleasure and sticking to it. It was so strong, that feeling.” It's about her "feelings".

[–]platewrecked 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“It caused a lot of pain, so I’m still not even sure why I fought for it the way I did,” she finally said. “I really just felt like it was right, like it was important to my growth. It was like I was choosing to take a stand for my own pleasure and sticking to it. It was so strong, that feeling.”

[–]Robert_Robz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes, but it seems that the liberal feminist paradigm si also quite beneficial to alphas. We get to fuck more girls tham we might have at any other time in history. The poor chump in the article had it coming for a very long time.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First of all, just because some deviant pervert faggots practice stupid things, and other deviant pervert faggots cherish it; does not mean that everyone is like this. There may be RP women out there, who would have been happily married and satisfied if they could hook their alphas into marriage. In my opinion, you can be happily married as a man, if you wait for the right time and conditions.

Secondly, just remember: You surfing through RP forums mean that even if you suck at this moment, you are still way ahead of a significant proportion of males, even though many of them are not men.

[–]RageLionRising 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The marriage laws must be changed to stop this shit. The state Family Code is the source for much of why marriage is such an asymmetrical deal favoring the woman, and why a man would resort to allowing this type of behavior.

Again, the laws must be updated.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a post on MRP right now by a guy who opened his relationship and it follows the exact narrative you have spelled out. You should check it out.

[–]javanator999 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I first started reading the article (linked from a different subreddit) I thought it had to be a parody piece by a Red Piller. But it isn't. It was physically hard to read and I kept cringing for the guys involved. When I read about the woman having Parkinson's, my immediate reaction was the hyper sexuality was a reaction to dopamine drugs. (Have a relative with Parkinson's and it has that effect.) Felt really bad for all the guys involved, they were getting the short of the stick.

Also saw something I've seen mentioned in other contexts. Even committed open relationship guys find it tough when their SO is being dominated by someone else and comes home with bruises. I guess having concrete evidence that their partner likes being beaten by a guy with higher SMV is a tough pill to swallow.

[–]gman992 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just as long as the woman is having an affair with another woman. Because 3 some. If not, he's a cuckold.

[–]_MysticFox points points [recovered]

What can you actually say against this though? It's intuitively stupid like chicks saying "guys can be shirtless I can too" but what do you say to make an argument? Nothing. "Her body, her choice, let her bang whoever she wants, STD checks and pregnancy checks make sure nothing happens."

[–]_Hank-Scorpio_ 0 points1 point  (7 children)

In this case, you don't really need to say anything. Any rational person who sees these losers will understand that the fact they agreed to be photographed for the story shows how little self respect they have.

A crazy or low character person who sees it and accepts or endorses it has identified themselves to you as a crazy person.

There may be some small fraction of high character but liberal indoctrinated people who react to this positively initially but are saveable.

If anything, articles like this will assist you in screening people.

[–]_MysticFox points points [recovered]

But here's the problem -- you don't have to argue it. But not having reasoning behind your stance is just being as ignorant as them.

[–]st3roids 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea if your a woman obviously is beneficial.

for a man though ... not good

[–]vwzwv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women will be sexual and hypergamous, that's a given.

The unsaid thing is that most of these men are doubly asking for it by not maintaining themselves and embracing their masculinity. Women are known to gain weight and stop fucking after marriage, they expect to be loved and taken care of simply for existing. Men do this too! They get married, never lift, give no thought to what brings spice to a relationship. They are no better, are the same as above women.

If a woman wants an open relationship then it means he shouldn't be married in the first place and needs to go back to lifting, improving dress and game.

[–]razingcane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The minute bitchcakes starts yakking about an "open legs" policy it's past time to hit the road. These days, women change men like underwear or kitchen appliances - out of sheer impulse and boredom - and guys are all too willing to appease. If you're unlucky enough to be married with kids the best thing you can do is hire a private dick (pun intended) and have him film her. Hopefully, she gets caught sucking on a crack pipe before she's sucking the guy's dick. That shit always goes over well for "mommie dearest" in the court room. One other thing: if she starts verbalizing about an "open sewer" policy there's a good chance she's already doing it - demand an HIV and Hep C tests from her. If she refuses: go to an attorney without telling her you that you are, pay him cash, and start the proceedings. You need to chew your legs off to get away from that shit. BTW: I have just as little respect for the guys who are part of cuckolding as the cunts who use them. I think it would be really cool if MGTOW developed "reprisal squads" for assholes like that, and published (even internally) a list of the bitches and pricks that don't deserve anyone's esteem at all.

[–]jewishsupremacist88 0 points1 point  (1 child)

this alone is why in certain cultures, women are beaten on their wedding nights.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

NYT has been owned by the sulzberger family for a loooong time.

Gee wonder if the writer (susan dominus) of this subversive article attacking another tradition of Western civ/ trying to normalize cuckolding is a member of the tribe/s?


...they include Shteyngart, Vapnyar and novelist Jonathan Safran Foer; magazine writers Susan Dominus and A.J. Jacobs...

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