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The Sadness Phase

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So there's this girl, i'll call her SadEyes, I've been gaming for a while. Read: a few days. I met her outside campus while she was having a cigarette with her friend, a guy I kinda sorta knew. Used that excuse to start a conversation, get her name, and then bounced. Didn't really think much of it. She's small, 5'2, slim, cute as heck, waifu kinda girl. Has really deep, sad eyes, like she's seen some shit. .

Few days later, studying in the library, she walks in and gets her chemistry shit out. I saunter over and plop myself down next to her. Pre-TRP beta ass me would have spent hours stressing over whether I should go talk to her and what I was going to say. I didn't even think for a second, I got up and started talking to her as if we'd been friends for ages.

We say here, "always assume attraction". I think you should take it one step further, "assume you already have the bang".

I've been doing this for a while now and it's improved my frame with girls tremendously. I used to always be kinda nervous and beta around girls before I fucked them, and if they did somehow let me into their pants, the alpha would burst out and I would have that girl wrapped around my finger after. The girls would be hooked af once the wild cocky alpha came out of me, and I would never lose them after.

So I started treating every new girl like I'd already fucked her, or I was going to fuck her eventually. I'd import the frame I had with girls I was already fucking and employ it on every new girl I'd meet. BAM. Instant results.

1.Act like you've already fucked the shit out of her


So I'm chatting to this girl and she just malfunctions. Nervous, tripping over her words, saying stupid shit, really embarrassed. I've had this effect on girls before but this time it was so stark. I reminded me cruelly of the way I used to act around super hot girls that scared the living shit out of me, and it made clear just how gross and unattractive it must have been.

Anyway, it was cute coming from this girl. It's very uplifting to know you can make some girls break just by talking to them. Girl was probably soaked. Had a really fucking huge realisation at that point; "Holy fuck, I'm Chad". I went from Naruto messenger bag skinny fedoralord to being able to do this to a chick...

I tell her to let me know next time she goes out for a cig and I'll join her.

She goes out for a cig and I go out with her and we make smalltalk and shoot the shit. She says she will add me on facebook, I tell her I don't have that shit and give her my number instead. She texts me, I ignore her for like, 2 days. Idk.


Bump into her on campus a few days later. I'm chatting to another girl I'm gaming and her hot friends and she's eating that shit up. Hair twirling, stupid laughing, that twisty knee thing they do. Blondie is boring holes into me from afar. Bunch of my chad friends walk by, I do stupid bro shit with them, like frat boy chest beating and all that.

Chat to SadEyes, get interrupted by my climbing buddies, more Chads. Chat to Uni lecturer who walks by and knows me by name. Shoot the shit with him for a few seconds. Displaying massive value all over the place without even thinking about it. She just stands there swaying and waiting for me to pay attention to her again. Once again, it flashes through my head. "Holy fuck, I'm Chad"

Start talking to SadEyes about movies. Very easy way to get some plausibly deniable way to get into her pants: "You've never seen Shrek 2??!!? What the heck?!?!! I definitely got to show it to you one time".

She's all up for that shit. "Yeah sure" she say. "I'll text you" I say.

2. Use Movies or TV shows to set up an easy way to get some alone time. "Netflix and chill" isn't just a meme, it's precisely handcrafted fuck strategy honed over the ages. Use it wisely.


I don't text her for a while until she texts me. "Hey xxx" she says, or some shit. I get straight to the point, "Movie at yours later?". She's apprehensive. "I'm not sure about mine... etc etc". "We can't do mine" I say, and then just drop it.

I cant bring girls back to my place at the moment. Makes it much harder to get the bangs, but hey, you gotta work with what you got. We're all going to have something holding us back, all you gotta do is work through it.

I try again in person a day later. "Okay, whatever," she says, "they'll just have to put up with it". I don't know what she means by this but damn do I eventually find out.

Next day I text her "coming over, meet me here at 6". Didn't ask for shit, didn't mess around with logistics. Every single one of the 3 texts I sent this girl was to set up a meeting. Drove her fucking wild that I wouldn't text her at all, she told me later.

3. Texting is only to set up meets. Don't be the beta that has long conversations with her over text. Your time is valuable, she doesn't want to see you wasting it on her. She wants you to be mysterious and more important than her. As I said in my previous post, the hottest thing a girl can hear you say is "busy".


So we get to her place, dingy little room in a block of flats, but hey I don't judge cos we're all broke students here. Her room is particularly lifeless and bare though and I start to get an odd kind of... pity... for this girl. She's very shy and anxious and sweet and not outwardly slutty or masculine like the other "bad bitch" slut kinda girls. She seems like she'd make a great girlfriend/wife one day, or she would have at one point.... plus, she has really sad eyes, like, I just look into them and I can just tell she's hurting real bad on the inside.

So I fuck her anyway. There's no movie, I go straight for her lips once my shoes are off and she's going crazy for it. Girl really wants to be fucked. Get her clothes off and she's got a great, tight little body that she's been hiding. Obviously I'm pretty aggressive from the get go and as I've said before I normally skip the blowjobs the first time round and go straight for the aggressive fuck. This girl really wanted to suck my dick though, so, whatever, I let her. Got some of that great, "first time I'm sucking his dick so gotta impress him " head. She wants to get on top and ride me, so here's where I employ "The Slut Test".

Me: "I don't think I have any condoms, I didn't expect this to happen" I say (HAAAAHAHHAAAHAAA).

"Oh fuck" She says. "....."

"We're going to have to stop. Next time I'll bring some"

She's sitting there twiddiling her thumbs. "I guess, I don't mind that much..."

"Don't mind what"

"you can not use a condom if you want " she's looking at the floor.

"I'm not sure... are you on birth control?"

"no... but if you pull out we should be fine..."

"Hmmm... I don't know... Really wanna fuck though...let me just check in case I left one in my back pocket"

Oh, would you look at that! Miraculously I find a condom. Slap that shit on and start pounding away at her. Sadly though, the massive red flag has already been raised and I probably won't fuck this girl again unless she gives me a really good reason to.

I do this with EVERY girl I bang for the first time. Pretend I don't have a condom and see how many of them will fuck me without one anyway. If they have any class they'll say no... but the vast majority of girls I've done this with were totally okay with it. SO MANY girls fail the test. That's fucked up. If they are willing to fuck me raw then they are down to fuck every other guy like that too. It fucking worries me just how degenerate our teenage girls have become and how they'll allow any alpha chump to give them a disease because she got the tingles.

I've only ever had one girl who stopped sex and just sucked me off. Some girls have their own condoms. That's less worrisome then the bad option but still irks me that they're fucking around so much that they keep their own condoms just in case. Oh well, whatever, AWALT after all.


So I'm really going at this girl, hand around her neck, fistful of hair, she's burying her face into her pillow, trying to be quiet, I think. Then out of nowhere:

BAM BAM BAM. Loud knock on the door.

"Fuck", she says.

First thing I think is, "boyfriend???".

"What is it?" I say. She seems visibly pissed. "It's my flatmate." She says. "He doesn't like it when I bring boys back".

"What...."

"He gets really crazy when I bring boys back here".

Dude is still knocking at the door and calling her name.

"What, why?"

"I don't know, but he gets really angry"

"Wow is he your dad?"

She seems very nervous and shy and definitely the non-confrontational type. He's still going. Idk what the fuck to do. She puts on some clothes and opens the door a crack. He starts shouting at her and I can practically feel the angry beta seep into the room.

"Who is that? Just a friend? What did we tell you! Too many! etc etc etc"

She's just trying to placate him. I'm astounded. This keeps going, kinds sounds like a manager telling off an employee, I go up to the door, still naked, she's like "no no no go back".

He's standing outside in the corridor, all 5ft 7 of him. Stupid beard, reeking of autism.

"What do you want dude"

"Who are you?" He says.

SadEyes is just pacing around the room freaking out.

"What's your problem?". I'm still not very good at maintaining eye contact, but I'm high test and fucking blue balled at this moment in time so the anger has me shooting lasers into him. He breaks and looks away.

"She's not supposed to bring guys back here".

"Are you jealous dude?"

"No, no it's just -"

He sneaks a look at my dick. I watched his eyes snap down then shoot back up.

"I mean if you want you can come in and watch I don't mind"

"-" dude is silent. I close the door and lock it.

Walking back from that interaction, I can't help but be astounded at the reversal of the situation; I would never have dreamed that I would be on this side of the door a couple of years ago. I would always have been the salty beta, but holy fuck, now I'm Chad. I've reached peak Chad.


SadEyes is happy I dealt with it but she's still super fucking stressed about it and the shit she'll get tomorrow and we end up going to bed without fucking again and I'm still blue balled af and have to listen to her complain about her flatmates. Apparently the dude has had a crush on her for a while and asked her to be "friends with benefits" and she said no and now he just spergs out whenever she brings any guys back, which apparently, is quite often.

Imagine being that fucking beta. Looking at it from his perspective, I'm just a douchebag tall Chad who's fucking the girl of his dreams and now I'm the worst person in the world. This is what most Betas don't understand about Chads... most of the time they haven't got that way by accident. There's a lot of hard work and self growth needed to get to Chad status. Some guys have good upbringings and genetics and learn it through childhood. Some guys never do, even the ones who won the geneticlottery. I've seen plenty of tall, potentially attractive guys who are beta as fuck because they never discovered the tools needed to become Chad. TRP was the tool I needed, and while this beta shlub might think that I've "always been this way" and that he just can't compete with someone as genetically gifted as me, he doesn't realise I used to have a BMI of 17 and fapped to futanari hentai.


Anyway I'm pissed, not only because I was blue balled and now I don't have another condom so can't fuck her again, but also because I'd somehow let myself believe (even with my super advanced, diploma level TRP knowledge) that this one wasn't a massive slut and maybe I'd found a "good girl^TM and that she was just so infatuated by me she made an exception. Fuck, so stupid. Nice little slap in the face. AWALT, AWALT, AWALT.

Small cute girls always get me. They look so innocent and that they shouldn't be fucking about and you just want to protect them. Especially this girl, with the sad eyes and what I imagine to be crippling depression and longing for a real man to guide her. Laying in bed with her she asks me how many girlfriends I've had, and if I was looking for something serious. My heart broke. I tell her no, of course not. But I couldn't not feel for this girl. All she wanted in the whole world was to be loved properly by a guy who could actually guide and protect her, and she was giving up her body to try and find a guy who would do that for her. She thought she found it in me, and she went crazy for me, asking for commitment within a few hours. Having to take that hope away from her and throw her back into the pile. Fuck man. How could I do that kinda shit and not feel bad about it?

And she's not the only one either. Every single girl I've fucked, every plate has had this effect on me. Maybe I'm just a big fucking softie, it just makes me sad. Sad to see so many lost girls with no idea what they want and what will make them happy. Throwing their bodies at guy in a hope that one of the will love her. I've seen the sad eyes in too many of the girls I've fucked, eventually I think they just die inside and get that thousand cock stare, but some of them still have hope... and to be the guy to dangle the carrot in front of them and take it away after, fuck, I can't keep doing it.

"Do you have a dad?" I ask her.

"no." Exactly as I thought.

Almost all my other plates are fatherless too.


In the morning while she showers I look around her room. She has some old photos by her bedside table, family photos, when she was a baby, both parents in the pictures, happy memories with siblings.

Fuck. My heart broke again.

All I wanted was to take this girl into my arms and be her dad and tell he everything was going to be okay. But I can't save her. It's not my job. It's not even possible. There are thousands, millions of other girls out there, exactly the same. Broken and lost and sad and longing for a real guy to love them. These are our sisters and daughters and this is what has happened to them.

I can't blame women for being sluts anymore. I had a long, dark Anger phase where I hated them and the way they acted, now I'm just sad, very very sad. It hurts. To blame them for not being able to control their emotions and indulgences is like blaming a fat child for being fat. They don't understand, they don't know how. They're grown children with no parents and they are all really, really sad.

I've connected with every girl I've ever fucked and had to sever that connection, and it must fuck them up, fuck them up real bad. No wonder none of them can pair bond anymore. It was this last time though, seeing that at just how sad this girl was and the photos next to her bed.... it really got to me... I walked home that day in a sobering stupor of sad, pensive thoughts. I stopped by the chapel in my school and sat and thought for a long long time, I guess naively hoping it would help clean me. If there's an Anger Phase to the Red Pill, then there's a definitely Sadness Phase, and man is it harsh. I don't even think I can plate anymore, I can't keep doing this to these girls. I know if I don't others will, but it won't be on my conscience at least.

What's happened to our sisters and daughters and mothers. It's sad. Really sad.

Lessons Learned

1.Act like you've already fucked the shit out of her

2. Use Movies or TV shows to set up an easy way to get some alone time.

3. Texting is only to set up meets.

4. The Sadness Phase is real


[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 1045 points1046 points  (89 children)

This right here is probably the most pro-woman piece of writing on the internet.

A lot of idiots claim that The Red Pill objectifies women. Tricks them. Manipulates them. Hates them. But this guy here really, really understands this woman. He sees her humanity.

Her real humanity -- not the rah-rah, you-go-girl, YOLO, proud to be a slut, sex-positive, strong, liberated feminist bullshit that people pretend to appreciate in women to appear politically correct. He sees her for who and what she really is. And he feels for her.

So many idiot feminists would leap out to praise this woman for being sexually liberated, strong, independent ... but she's none of those things. She's not sexually liberated. She's a slave to sex and is using it to try to find happiness in another person. She's not strong. She's weak and craving love and protection. She's not independent. She's co-dependent and desperate for someone to latch on to.

To see that in a woman, recognize it for what it is, recognize her, really see her and all of her humanity, and to feel something about that -- THAT is what it means to care about women. Stupid-ass pro-woman token feminists don't get it, because they don't actually care about women.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 128 points129 points  (11 children)

Right on the money. Most people never step back far enough to see the bigger picture, certainly women don't.

[–]SuarezGoal09 22 points23 points  (10 children)

This makes me wonder, is there a TRP equivalent for woman?

[–]Breezymcsneezy 36 points37 points  (2 children)

There's a whole subreddit The Red Pill Women concerning sexual strategy for women.

Or at least the strategy for obtaining a high value man for marriage and kids etc. The prevailing view on that sub appears to me that women who sleep around are rightfully slut shamed.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Well, of course they are, as sleeping around is the number one issue for scarrying away high value men.

[–]radioactivities9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The prevailing view on that sub appears to me that women who sleep around are rightfully slut shamed.

No. It's just not advised to most young women who go for advice there. Young people don't always make the best decisions and there is a lack of role-modeling these days, sadly.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Yes, a pick up artist, or as Pook called them, human dildos. How do I know? I was one of those guys for a couple of years, but I do not feel bad about it. I think it is different for guys, we only get dopamine when we cum, women get dopamine and oxytocin so their pair bonding gets fucked up. Genetically guys who fuck around are doing what their genes want, women are just destroying themselves.

[–]Lo-G 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Men get vasopressin too, which is like oxytocin in many ways, but you're mostly right.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Men get oxytocin too. Which is why a lover can become "mommy" when they associate it back to the oxytocin they got during breast feeding and deep eye contact once upon a time.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 83 points84 points  (20 children)

Her "humanity" has taken a real beating...and it's all on her.

When she is post-WallSPLAT! and even more broken inside, she will convince herself, through her Hamster Super Powers, that she was the VICTIM! but those panties didn't come off by themselves, all those times.

The problem with banging too many broken women is that, when you stare into the abyss, the abyss also stares into you. Once the OP gets through the "sadness" phase, he will no doubt arrive at the "banality" phase and then the "nihilism" phase, if he's not careful.

[–]Karmelion 91 points92 points  (7 children)

Well it's not really on her. She was lied to by a blue pill society. Just like OP said, he was a worthless beta before he found the red pilll. Where is the red pill for this girl? Where are the role models for women? They get sold the same bill of bullshit as young men do, and honestly the end result for them is worse.

[–]jahozafet points points [recovered]

The end result for carousel-riding sluts is not worse. I can't think of anything worse than being divorce raped and forced to pay money to a woman who's sucking another man's dick and denying you access to your kids, and if you don't pay you go to jail (and she holds the keys). And, she was not lied to by a blue pill society. Blue pill society propagates the Disney version of romance and marriage. Most men are happy to play their role in this fantasy, but the reason it doesn't work is because women say they'll do their part (they literally say this in their wedding vows) but usually don't. I think the sympathy for SadEyes in this thread is getting a bit out of control. She'll be able to rope a man to pay for her at any time in her life as long as she doesn't let herself go, and the fact that she is incapable of pair bonding is on her. Lena Dunham's worldview is not the only option for these women. Aside from loud mouth feminists, it's common knowledge that you shouldn't be a slut, and just because she can jump from cock to cock, it doesn't mean that she should. Deep down, she knows better, so this is all on her. The bar is so incredibly low for women that I have no sympathy for them. Don't cheat and don't be a cunt . . . it's easy.

[–]gazzaa2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel sorry for the guy she'll marry. The worst thing that'll happen to her is she'll cash out for cash and prizes and hop back on the carousel.

[–]Tscio 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The other day I came across a video by Lauren Southern that is basically a cursory version of TRP for girls. She also covers a ton of RP topics and is on the money in my opinion for most of it.

Some of her points:
* Women are led astray by society
* Female promiscuity harms their ability to pair bond
* Describes "the wall" and women's decaying SMV

[–]Alequo points points [recovered]

It's really on her just like it was on OP when he was on a worthless beta. Society doesn't owe you anything.

[–]Acquin 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Once the OP gets through the "sadness" phase, he will no doubt arrive at the "banality" phase and then the "nihilism" phase, if he's not careful.

I find the only way to never arrive here is treat women like fun bots. Trying to find something in women that's simply not there (i.e. true love™) is literally doing what the girl here does. She's using sex in hope. You'd be using your commitment in hope. We all want true love. Every single one of us on this sub. Problem is that it's just not how it works. I got sad typing this.

[–]SplitFigure 9 points10 points  (0 children)

true love™

So true I will never fully get the bitter taste out of my mouth.

[–]1MrTheFalcon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh God, what's the point, then? Is everyone broken now?

[–]Kalepsis 5 points6 points  (7 children)

What if you're born into the nihilism phase?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 18 points19 points  (6 children)

Then you already know that Life is Meaningless, Death is Inevitable, and We Are All Fundamentally Alone.

[–]pmmedenver 15 points16 points  (2 children)

The only meaning in life is that which we ascribe to it.

Depression is a state of mind that clouds your judgment.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I am not particularly a nihilist. Too depressing.

Against boredom even the gods struggle in vain.

[–]_vend7u points points [recovered]

I keep getting those thoughts and their making me suicidal and depressed. What should i do?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (1 child)

making me suicidal and depressed

Dude, if you are suicidal and depresses, you need to see a counselor, not some guy in the comments section on Reddit. I am fully serious. If things are that bad, seek help from a professional.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (22 children)

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[–]vwzwv 37 points38 points  (2 children)

He didn't trick her though. He puffed his chest and she pursued the fuck. He never spoke of commitment. The closest thing someone would try to say was 'tricking' her was saying he didn't have a condom to test her slut level.

Bluepill doctrine makes men believe if they fuck they can't update their opinion of a woman, or if he does he 'manipulated and tricked' her. It could have went the other way. Instead of learning she was a ho, he could have formed a LTR or healthy free plate arrangement.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But is he ready to stay alpha in a LTR? That is a real balancing act especially for one who's only recently changed for the better.

[–]RedPharaohRising 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The closest thing someone would try to say was 'tricking' her was saying he didn't have a condom to test her slut level.

That's no trick, is it? It's a way for him to see how suitable she is. He didn't lie about no condom to raw-dog her.

What he could have done, is refuse to fuck her, and hence not be a part of her history of poor decisions. Sure, it is a disadvantage for him, but in the long run, it might mean something.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 54 points55 points  (11 children)

stepping back and not contributing to the problem

There is no contributing to the problem. The problem is long in the past; this girl was abandoned long before the first dick went into her. You are witnessing symptoms, not the disease. Not fucking her is going to fix her as much as fucking her will.

The only way to change this is by promoting pair-bonding (not saying I advocate that). The only way to do that is when men refuse to give women anything unless they protect their virtue until they give it in a bond. And this won't happen because men are thirsty. There will have to be some structural change to western civilization before both parties are forced back into this arraignment.

Enjoy the decline.

[–]RedPharaohRising 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Do you believe there's nothing we can do to stem the bleeding?
Or do you think anything you do, will be done alone, and if no result is coming out of it, you might as well play for the small benefit you get from fucking her?
You may have answered my question partially.

[–]Kalepsis 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I don't think it's even possible in modern society. To bring things back to a "holding out for marriage" kind of paradigm, men would have to band together, en masse, to get it done. But we're too disconnected and individualized for that. You could blame it on technology, or feminism, or being sold a fantasy that we could never achieve... the reason doesn't matter. The fact remains.

My personal opinion on the matter is that the demise of long term pair-bonding is most simply an effect of population density reaching a tipping point. Collectively, as a species, it's unnecessary to continue growing our numbers, so we've lost the instinctual imperative to do so. The way I see it, there are only two ways to get it back:

1.) A worldwide disaster that wipes out 85% of our population and all of our convenient technology, thus requiring repopulation, while removing easy sexual gratification (via porn, etc.), or

2.) We start colonizing a new planet.

I'm hoping for number 2.

[–]1OneRedYear 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It was never young men who imposed that on women in the first place. It was older men, older women and young women imposing it on each other. The young man will take whatever he can get.

[–]maniclurker 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Not the other guy, but I have 2 cents to throw in.

I think western society will decline for a few more generations. I think it'll get really fucking bad. And then, I think society will get partially red pilled from the experience. I think there will be a sweeping realization of the reasons why pair bonding works. And I think society will then reset itself at 0.

That, or shit stays fucked up until Islam overwhelms everything. Then, who gives a shit? Women will literally become sex slaves.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 9 points10 points  (2 children)

And, into a fun irony, Islam will become the system which helps re-establish what we had long ago, women and men pair-bonding.

With all the haraam rules they have...

[–]antariusz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I am probably preaching to the choir, but the reason Islam wins in the end (in this scenario), is not because they treat women like sex slaves, that is just the side "benefit", but precisely because of all the "haraam" rules placed on beta males that are the real building blocks of society.

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish, he builds a society that conquers the world.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, then what does really mark the right or wrong?

As there are more betas than alphas, aren't women inherently in the "wrong" (wrong == technically incorrect in this case) because they all follow the fewer males of "higher"(some times real, some times apparent) quality instead of going after one of the males which form the bigger group?

I understand women are creatures which totally believe themselves to be the Main CharacterTM of this world, and that's why they always seek the best and branch swing, but until recent years, many mental illnesses weren't considered that.

Could we consider the female psychological pathos a mental illness in itself, as it is, in short, an absolute search for the best, which is impossible in itself, as anything owned must be matched equally in quality by the owner.

By this, I mean, if you own a Ferrari, but are a shitty driver, you will destroy it very soon, and so stop owning it.

If you own much money, but are not capable of earning it, you will waste it very soon, and so stop owning it.

If you "own"(as in "have", not as in "slaves") a boyfriend / husband / etc, but are not "owned" by him in the equal degree, and can't fulfill the same level of success in your gender and in your life as he does, soon he will leave you behind.

tl;dr I got ranting about how women are stupid because they can't see that there is a limit to how much their "good man" can be, and that is limited exactly by how much a "good woman" they themselves can be.

And women can't understand that.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Men are thirsty and women give just barely enough of herpies-sacks to low(-er) SMV men to give them hope. The changes have to be structural. Fundamental. Lots of people could die.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

fulfillment

What does that mean? We deal in the real. What real metric is this and how do we measure it?

[–]alphabeta49 2 points3 points  (5 children)

It's a shame that OP had to do exactly that in order to come to this realization

Where did he do any of that?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

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[–]BlueBlus 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Using sexual strategy to get laid?

Woah weird

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

deleted What is this?

[–]alphabeta49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trick, manipulate, and hate are strong words. He didn't mislead any more than women do when they wear makeup. If he has indicated he was someone he was not or was looking for something he was not or flat out lied to get into her pants, then I would agree with you.

And even then, so what? Your statement was that it was a shame he "had to do exactly that in order to come to this realization." And?

But actually, I agree with the rest of your comment. OP was upvoted so much because of his sincerity. And I believe this sub is starting to take on a new direction, with the success of OP and RPS's recent sticky.

[–]RedDeadCred 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Excellent points.

The reality is this woman should be in a man's harem, but not as a plate with no emotions involved. For various reasons she's looking for some unicorn man to be high status but loyal only to her.

People formed in tribes, where this woman would always be in the presence of alphas and greater betas that would fuck her, provide for her, and raise her children collectively. And she could rely on them and trust them, not to be monogamous, but to have a connection with her.

[–]harsheehorshee 9 points10 points  (10 children)

I doubt women will interpret it that way. The op made the women some submissive scared little damsel in distress.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 118 points119 points  (6 children)

Who's knowingly living with a guy who wants her that she doesn't want back, and who constantly brings home guys to fuck.

This isn't some virtuous woman that OP ruined.

Nor is it some strong, independent woman who's chasing after what she wants.

It's a desperate, lost woman, trying to find herself in men rather than trying to find herself in herself.

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (4 children)

Yup, I easily saw it wasn't her he felt bad for, it was his illusion of what she was.

As much as we are all 'alphas now guise!' Theres always going to be that part of us that wishes we were wrong. Of course, we know we aren't

[–]maniclurker 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I haven't had the best view of women for a while now. You fuckers just straight up ruined me. I very literally do not believe in the idea of love anymore. It's creeped into the way I view EVERYBODY, including my family.

I don't think I'm any better or worse for it. Maybe getting pussy is great. Maybe ignorance is even better.

[–]Short-changedChad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hold similar beliefs. If you really want to torture your mind- acknowledge that 'true love' between a man and a woman does not exist and then imagine having a child who you love, who in turn loves you back.

What if the only path to believing in love again is through a woman who you can't?

[–]RedPharaohRising 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In general, once you see it you can't unsee it. I can't enjoy things as much anymore because I'm too busy observing, noticing and...seeing people as humans rather than "individuals/souls/whathaveyou".
But that's my fault, and my cross to bear.

[–]RedPharaohRising -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Who's knowingly living with a guy who wants her that she doesn't want back, and who constantly brings home guys to fuck.

So? What's she supposed to do about that? No mention that she's leading him on, so no foul there.

This isn't some virtuous woman that OP ruined.

How did you get this? It doesn't follow logically from your previous statement. Only thing that might stand for your statement is being willing to go raw.
Update: Too many! stands to explain it some more. Fair point, if by virtue you meant close to virgin.

Nor is it some strong, independent woman who's chasing after what she wants.

Again, how do you know?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 19 points20 points  (2 children)

The tale had a "Captain NotQuiteSave-a-Ho" vibe. No disrespect to the OP, of course.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I had a similar reaction to the post. OP also mentions that he feels bad for other plates as he says:

  • "I don't even think I can plate anymore, I can't keep doing this to these girls."

Really, girls who have ridden their fair share of cock are not victims. They are down to have sex and fun and be with a fun guy. I have never had OPs problem because right from the get go these girls know I am there for fun, not a relationship. I wonder how much OP is projecting onto these girls. If he feels a genuine connection to every plate then he is kind of giving off a vibe of "wow this guy could be a keeper".

The only time I really felt sorry for a girl was a genuinely good girl that I dated for a few weeks, she only had one bf in her life and she was a legit trad con girl. She was sweet but the sex was boring and I just could not develop feelings for her so I broke it off quick. 6 months later she texted me asking to catch up, I said no thanks but good luck with dating and she writes me a heartfelt and brutal text about how much I hurt and damaged her. I felt a little bad because she was the only real good girl I had ever banged. As for CC riders, they sold their souls so I just cannot feel sorry for them.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I needed this slap of logical realism, too much emotion in this thread.

I wonder how much OP is projecting onto these girls.

A lot, I'd say.

"Especially this girl, with the sad eyes and what I imagine to be crippling depression and longing for a real man to guide her."

He can't play Captain Save-a-Ho if he first doesn't hamster her into some kind of victim.

It can't possibly be that she's just another slut, no, she has to be a fallen angel who was corrupted and only he has the power to redeem her.

First half was OP being a true Alpha Chad, but by the end he decided to turn into a BP white knight who feeeels bad about every girl he meets.

Give me a fucking break.

[–]gazzaa2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She could snag a beta tomorrow and have a normal family life, although it's settling she's still got options.

Banging loads of chads until one commits is just bad strategy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You you a shill or are you just perfectly stupid? I haven't read so much bullshit in a whole month, and I've been browsing /pol./ Congratulations, you topped the asshole of the internet.

Sexual strategy, there is no possible greater perversion of sexuality. Turning it into a machine, you're a robot-fucker who can't fuck robots, and so you make robots out of women, and yourself too. You don't have to push your sexual perversion on other people, Fleshlight now makes an electric auto-masturbator.

Fucking assclown. Take a vow of silence for the rest of your life to spare humanity and yourself from your stupidity. For the sake of everyone go MGTOW because ANY sexual or romantic relationship you have will be a clusterfuck.

[–]1jb_trp 268 points269 points  (2 children)

Some people would want to call you a hypocrite for fucking a girl and then feeling sorry for the decisions that she made. But I don't. If she doesn't sleep with you, she will sleep with any other Chad that turns her on. It's a stupid cycle and a messed up society we live in.

I've fucked young plates that turned out to have the biggest daddy issues later. In a few of the cases, I wouldn't have slept with them if I had known... It's not me. And I don't even think of myself as a "Chad." I'm just a semi-charismatic man who likes climbing (like you!), wants to improve myself, and have a little fun along the way.

The petite cute, "innocent" slut always makes me sad. I'm gaming this future plate (or pump-and-dump). She's in her mid-20s, cute AF with a great body, smart, has a good job and even owns her own house, and just broke up with her boyfriend not too long ago. She's always travelling for work. She looks like the nicest girl and has a lot going for her (even climbs!). But she just got on Tinder and the amount of dick she takes is ridiculous. She'll send me naked pictures every day, and it's sexy as hell, but underneath it all it just makes me so fucking sad. Because I see where this likely is going: The 1000 cock stare, perhaps a kid or two at 28 and a divorce at 32, then desolation.

What a brave new world we live in.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 53 points54 points  (0 children)

What a brave new world we live in.

Fuck that's sad but accurate.

[–][deleted] 116 points117 points  (6 children)

Read every word of your story and it resonated with me. Every time I think I've found an innocent little thing eventually I'll catch a glimpse of the AWALT red flags and feel just a little bit more disappointed for even hoping.

You're right about that sadness, a lot of girls have had fucked up lives and many of us have too, so it's natural to want to help them and give them that closeness and love they seem to crave. That's only natural, it's called having empathy and being a human being instead of a total sociopath. Or we think, if that was us that's what we would want. But the reality is that they're not like us.

The situation is like the parable of the scorpion and the frog. You can try to help her, but she won't be able to help herself from destroying you both.

[–]trpiece 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Damn, that's a good analogy, the scorpion and frog parable.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 9 points10 points  (2 children)

it's natural to want to help them and give them that closeness and love they seem to crave.

I'd have to say that reality is in reverse. Men are the ones who crave to have something to protect, be dependent on us, and appreciate us.

This is why we want girlfriends, children, and dogs. The deal we're biologically programmed to want is, "I will feed, clothe, shelter, and protect you and in exchange all you have to do is show appreciation for my sacrifices via unconditional love, respect, and loyalty." Only the last one in that list is capable of fulfilling their end of the deal.

[–]brettfromtibet 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That's because adult human love is conditional. If a woman treats you like trash you can and should leave her. If you get angry and beat her up she should leave you. You have to earn and then keep human live. Only small children deserve unconditional love. That's why people who are on the emotional level of children are so fond of dogs and think they're better than people.

[–]HAMMURABl 94 points95 points  (4 children)

"Too many!" comment of flatmate is by far the biggest red flag lol

[–]Frigzy 28 points29 points  (1 child)

To that guy, everyone except himself is too many.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Point still stands.

For us, it's like that too. For the TRP and a good relationship, anyone except yourself is too many for a "Good GirlTM"

[–]BlackJ1 145 points146 points  (1 child)

What I appreciate the most about this place is not the success with women it offers, but more so the decrease in disappointment, sadness, anger, and indignation towards women.

That flatmate who knocked on the door; that should have been me if I never found TRP. I can imagine me now feeling all indignant and sad rationalizing in my head: "I do EVERYTHING for her, I cook, clean, show compassion for her when she's sad, and all she's does is bring back some random dude she doesn't even know that well back to fuck! That asshole! He doesn't even know or treat her right like I do! I deserve her attention!"

This FR is insightful to me because it once again reminds me to drop the unrealistic expectations I have for women and never believe anyone owes me anything. Once I adopted this mindset, I never felt sad, angry, or indignant ever again...

[–]newls 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Thanks for that. It's an element of the Red Pill philosophy that has taken a long time for me to truly internalise. It's coupled with abundance mentality, and taking more of a paternal attitude to the women in our lives.

This weekend I got to see a woman that I work with. She is good at what she does in helping me. The way we work is that I don't actually see her in person, rather more over email and phone. We interact every day in some form or another, but I've only physically met her twice.

I've always been attracted to her, but since she's starting working with me, she's had a boyfriend to whom she is now engaged. I respect her engagement, and it's not wise to think that way about a woman you work with in any case. But I'm a dude with a dude brain.

This weekend was some time away for our team, so we can see each other in person. I'm an important member of this team and am given a lot of respect. I'm not saying that in an arrogant way, I'm just stating a fact and I don't want to give away too much information.

There's a guy this woman works with in person on a daily basis, and I got to see how they interact. He's a pretty awkward, ugly, beta, and I saw the textbook protecting of her going on. That same thing OP mentioned in his post. I could tell there wasn't much mutual respect going on there. After all, you physically can't respect the person who sucks up to you.

I like telling stories about this stuff, but I'm not going to go into too much detail about the whole trip and my interactions with her, just the moment that struck me the most.

On the last night of the trip away, we had a formal dinner, in which the head of our team gave a speech in which he specifically mentioned my efforts and hers. Good for her, she's done well. We both go up to receive internal awards.

As the night went on she got lots of attention as people congratulated her for her achievement, and it was only right that I do too, since I hadn't talked to her yet that night. So I go over to their table. I see beta guy with them.

I walked up to her, I said hello, and knelt by her since there weren't any chairs next to her, and started talking to her. I could see her entire body language shift instantly. Torso completely turned towards me, playing with her hair, and a wide smile on her face.

We have a nice chat about our work, and she keeps asking me all sorts of questions, like about my new house, and where I live. We have a nice conversation, and some more people join us.

She used 'we' a few times to refer her fiancé. Felt strange that he wasn't there to be honest. Partners were invited to come along for this dinner.

We talk with the our new group some more, until she decided to call it a night earlier than planned. We have a nice goodbye in which she kissed me on the cheek, and the beta guy rushed her off to get a taxi. Off they went.

In that moment I felt full abundance, and truly realised what it meant. I didn't feel any need to protest her leaving early. I let the beta guy handle her and the taxi logistics.

Their taxi was late so they hung around for a bit longer, but I didn't go back to talk to them. I carried on talking productively with the guys I work with on a daily basis and we enjoyed the rest of the night until it came to a close.


Fuck, I wish I had people I could talk about this to in real life. Thanks to all of you guys for this community.

[–]kenpachitz points points [recovered]

Her room is particularly lifeless and bare though and I start to get an odd kind of... pity... for this girl. She's very shy and anxious and sweet and not outwardly slutty or masculine like the other "bad bitch" slut kinda girls. She seems like she'd make a great girlfriend/wife one day, or she would have at one point.... plus, she has really sad eyes, like, I just look into them and I can just tell she's hurting real bad on the inside.

So I fuck her anyway.

... This just hit me hard.

I'm imagining the opposite side of this coin where a woman feels this way towards a guy... but still drains him for resources anyway.

And I sincerely have to wonder: has any woman felt towards me what you felt for this girl... and didn't give a shit anyway?

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The moment a woman feels sadness for you, her vagina dries up and she friend zones you. So if that has happened to you (it has happened to me) then yes, she saw the sadness or weakness in you and that is how she reacted.

[–]CotoneteSujo 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I've been dealing with depression and bipolarity for a while and I'm sure some one night stands I've had thought exactly that about my empty, undecorated, lifeless apartment with all sorts of messed up stuff on top of chairs and sofas.

That, however, is completely irrelevant. Count on yourself. Take care of yourself because no one else will.

I'm trying.

[–]ideal_lemon 101 points102 points  (4 children)

Sluts are like the nice guys. They naturally get attracted to alphas and think if they give away their side of the bargain (sex) they will get what they want (commitment). Sadly it doesn't work that way, and they do the same mistake over and over, just like how nice guys fall into LJBF's.

[–]Gr0o0vy 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Just like she pointed out that she is not entitled to give sex to that beta who came by just because he is nice, an alpha is not entitled to give commitment just because she is a slut. It works both ways.

[–]V1SoR 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately I'd have to agree. Whatever she appears to be like on the surface, she's still a slut, and not just because she agreed to bang without rubber, but because she agreed in the first place. It doesn't take queen's power of will to wait out at least a couple dates if she wants commitment, or to be taken seriously at all. Chad will next her before that happens so she will have dodged the bullet.

[–]2kevin32 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sluts are like the nice guys. They naturally get attracted to alphas and think if they give away their side of the bargain (sex) they will get what they want (commitment).

When a woman uses the Nice Guy for attention and favors while dangling the possibility of sex to keep him invested, but ends up with jerks who use her for sex while dangling the possibility of commitment to keep her invested, I call this the "Karma of the Cock Carousel".

[–]thecajunone 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Started off hilarious, ended sad. Amazing write up man. Very insightful. Shit. Now I feel like fuck too cause I'm dangling a couple plates and you just made me realize both of them were fatherless too. Time to go lift.

[–]brinkleybuzz 110 points111 points  (5 children)

All she wanted in the whole world was to be loved properly by a guy who could actually guide and protect her, and she was giving up her body to try and find a guy who would do that for her.

As bad as modern feminism has been to men, it's been a massive disaster for the vast majority of women. Women naturally crave a strong male presence in their lives. The feminist assault on masculinity has robbed many women of the strong fathers and partners they need in their lives.

The result: a generation of damaged women who hop from alpha cock to alpha cock following their hard wired instinct to lock down a masculine partner. They perpetuate the cycle by raising children without fathers and/or ultimately marrying betas they and their daughters don't respect. The Daddy Issues Generation of women. A boon for masculine guys who want easy lays. A bust for men looking for women worthy of being wives and mothers.

[–]deephurting666 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Whoever wants a wife in this day and age is beyond me! Same for kids, all they both are is a powderkeg waiting to blow! Say or do one wrong thing and divorce court is your only future!

[–]Mefic_vest 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Whoever wants a wife in this day and age is beyond me!

From a legal and social perspective you are entirely correct. Marriage and children are nothing more than a massive trap designed to turn men into walking ATMs and destroying their lives.

From a biological and emotional perspective, there are more benefits than drawbacks to be had if the match is good, the fidelity is kept and the objectives on both sides are in alignment.

These two perspectives are becoming more and more mutually exclusive the further down the road we go. And I think we can all blame third-wave feminism for that.

[–]BargainBinBoyfriend 27 points28 points  (1 child)

My impulse would be to try to "save" this girl... or at least my past impulse would be. But then, wouldn't that just make me the Beta Beard dude?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've come to believe that people can't "be saved"... they can only save themselves.

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 36 points37 points  (0 children)

People can only save themselves.

Alcoholics, beta men, sluts... it doesn't matter who. No one can begin to change until they realize that they have a problem. There's nothing you can do to save them until they honestly come to grips with the reality that something about themselves is fueling a problem and that they need to change to see a different outcome.

Even under those conditions, you cannot do the work of their changing; they still must do all of the work of their changing. At best, you can only serve as a guide for another person to learn a new way of doing something. You can only fill a cup that is empty, and only when a student is ready will a teacher be heard.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 71 points72 points  (5 children)

Small cute girls always get me. They look so innocent and that they shouldn't be fucking about and you just want to protect them ..... Every single girl I've fucked, every plate has had this effect on me. Maybe I'm just a big fucking softie, it just makes me sad.

We are biologically programmed to see the best in girls we pair with (even short term). It is literal biological optimism. She looks a bit innocent, she behaves a bit innocent, we are totally sold. Women know this, we know this, but it still works on us.

Same problem at the moment. Cute girl who was trying to marry her boyfriend "because he owes me". She sees marriage as her payoff for her investment (her investment = being with him). But we're fucking so I find myself thinking "awwwww she's really great... totally not like the other girls". Then I slap myself and remember how exploitative she can be if I give her an inch of rope.

To blame them for not being able to control their emotions and indulgences is like blaming a fat child for being fat

But why should she control her indulgences? Sex is fun, she can lie about her n-count later, and marriage is never off the table for her. There's literally zero motivation to be non-slutty, confident men are irresistibly attractive, and she's got this itch ...

I can't keep doing this to these girls.

Can't keep doing what? Girls will be FINE. You're just a stepping stone. You don't owe her anything. She's not going to spend a month crying over you. She'll shed crocodile tears while you're in front of her, and then go out dancing "just for a laugh" later and then oops I fell on Chad's dick. Again.

What's happened to our sisters and daughters and mothers. It's sad. Really sad.

What happened is that they are never the wholesome creatures they told you they were. They haven't changed, you've just woken up to female sexuality - and part of that is presenting themselves as wholesome to BB while slutting it up with AF. Your mother and sister will never show you the AF side, obviously.

[–]dracolius 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Good counterpoint. Still, good to keep in mind that some girls end up having more issues to work through than others, and it has a lot to do with upbringing.

[–]cellphon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Excellent counter point. I think seeing how easy girls give it up and how filthy they can be for the right man is frightening.

I guess the real question is how women truly acted, behind closed doors PRE feminism. With healthy strong masculine fathers and healthy social environment that encourages fidelity. I would think that in their deepest hearts they felt the same, it just their social environment was judgemental and socially punitive. However, with that said, I think in the past they all were sluts internally yet were not allowed to fully express that tendency and accumulate 30 notches by the age of 20.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess the real question is how women truly acted, behind closed doors PRE feminism.

Yeah, this is something I wonder a lot too. Were they really as chaste and pure as we were led to believe? I've got my doubts.

However, with that said, I think in the past they all were sluts internally yet were not allowed to fully express that tendency and accumulate 30 notches by the age of 20.

But there have always been men who were players. Men who knew how to get what they wanted from women. They couldn't do that if all the women had n-count zero when they got married.

I don't believe the old model of "married as a virgin" was ever quite as true as we are led to believe.

[–]2kevin32 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find myself thinking "awwwww she's really great... totally not like the other girls". Then I slap myself and remember how exploitative she can be if I give her an inch of rope.

I can tell OP is going to get upvoted to oblivion because it tugs at the blue-pilled heartstrings to see women as innocent and well-intentioned. What remains unknown is how many are going to remember to slap themselves.

[–]FatStig points points [recovered]

First, pretty much all women are sluts for Chad. I wouldn't judge them. They've never been taught this so they have no defense against it.

I think the sadness phase doesn't end until you figure out your mission. Fucking women is easy. It's not a mission.

[–]PatriotforFreedom 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This. 1000 times fucking this. The last sentence especially.

Very strange hearing PUAs talk as if they're epic heroes after achieving the grand feat, however many times, of sticking their cock in warm hole.

[–]UnterSkiller -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ops story is full of pua(besides the last short part about sadness) look at the 'lessons'

Imo this has not much to do with trp

[–]tmarkows 20 points21 points  (4 children)

I was going to post some shit about dealing with sadgirls from a vulnerable place. But its conflated and stupid and I'm drunk. Lucky you. Look I can't fuck sad girls anymore. And you shouldn't either. Its never good. You always have to take care of them. And its never appreciated. Its taken for granted not because they're inherently selfish. But because they've never inherently felt safe. When you feel inherently safe you take advantage of it. Especially if youve never had the chance to explore who you really are. Things like indie vs hip-hop seem trivial when your fighting for survival. But it's essential in knowing who are and what you value. As soon as you give someone with no grounding for who they are they will try to broaden their horizons and it doesn't matter who you are but you will always be the training wheels. If you're willing to be that for someone its a beautiful process but it's incredibly painful as they leave. And make no mistake they have to leave. In that situation you are the training wheels. But you get to see someone grow beyond their own capabilities and at times its worth it. But you need to realize the personal sacrifice. Sad people will always out grow you to shed who they were. No matter the relationship. That kind of love leaves scars. Deep scars. And I expected it. I knew it was the inevitable conclusion. I took it and I can't say whether or not it was worth it. All I can say is now as a human being I am closer to the red pill for my own relationships. It makes you a much harder man because you genuinely want the best for the both of you. You want the relationship to work. After the whole thing now I only believe in one thing. The person your with needs to be ready for what you want. The red pill more than anything is going out establishing what you want and finding someone that fits it for you. That is if you chose not to go mtgow

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Highly underrated post here.

[–]CptDefB 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Very much so...

@/u/tmarkows, awesome drunk post.

Most men won't be patient enough to scroll down this far on something already a day old. The ones that do, who have seen some shit, will see themselves in you.

Even what I consider to be "RP me" has been the training wheels you describe... mainly to avoid LTRs after the 1st or 2nd "talk" while keeping the girl as a plate until she finds a monogamous boyfriend (the plate still turns, just slower to make time for the new guy).

As soon as you give someone with no grounding for who they are they will try to broaden their horizons and it doesn't matter who you are but you will always be the training wheels. If you're willing to be that for someone its a beautiful process but it's incredibly painful as they leave. And make no mistake they have to leave. In that situation you are the training wheels. But you get to see someone grow beyond their own capabilities and at times its worth it. But you need to realize the personal sacrifice. Sad people will always out grow you to shed who they were. No matter the relationship. That kind of love leaves scars. Deep scars. And I expected it. I knew it was the inevitable conclusion. I took it and I can't say whether or not it was worth it.

Man. whew

After having done it a few times...

After the whole thing now I only believe in one thing. The person your with needs to be ready for what you want.

... is 100% accurate. After one of these experiences, BP me would have been ready to find TRP and jump feet first into the anger phase. After spending a few years here, RP me welcomes these experiences... probably as a self-defense mechanism against the current SMP.

Getting with a girl means one of two things; you will break up eventually, or be together forever. Since the latter is subsidized against, I can only accept that the former will be the norm of my relationships with women.

Finding women during Jan-Apr (aka, Breakup Season) is awesome for this. Divorcees are also great for these relationships since on a level they understand that the younger guy isn't going to just start playing house with them and their kids. This usually leads to them transitioning to a guy that's closer in age, even if the fireworks aren't as potent.

After experiencing these transitory phases in the modern woman's life (and they are frequent, make no mistake), I see a niche in providing for these women. I can't say I've perfected my "Oh, just broke up with your boyfriend?" game just yet, but I can say that this year alone has provided many attempts to get it right, with some success to keep me going.

While you're right about the deep scars that these connections can form, RP me is beginning to prefer them. Never has a soft harem been so easy to maintain. Through this niche, I can "live multiple lives" as it were, by being different things to different women for different lengths of time. /u/MentORPHEUS has a "greatest of all time" worthy post about this.

In the grand scheme of things - with some idealistic delusions of grandeur (for variety) - I see myself not as a contribution to the decline, but as a caregiver to the lost; a nurse on the field of battle tending to both the innocent and the wretched.

Better than being her boyfriend or "guy who gives me x" in her phone... and you get to have multiple girls who all understand (or even require, due to a breakup) that "Girlfriend" is off the table.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah reminded me of my oneitis and how i was kind of happy to let her use me as a stepping stone as she was so similar to me. Then i used another girl as a stepping stone for myself a few months after swallowing the pill, in a small sense.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're fucking spot on.

In my relationship though, it was her who was always in training wheels, waiting for me to catch up (man up).

It was so fucking painful it still hurts a year later, but it lead me to red pill and becoming a better man.

The conclusion is the same as yours. Scars, the red pill and defining who I am.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 34 points35 points  (6 children)

SadEyes

Sounds like the "Thousand Cock Stare".

"Who are you?" He says.

"I'm the guy who is Banging.The.Ever.Loving.Shit out of your oneitis 'flat mate', fucktard. Now go fucking DISINTEGRATE!"

I've been the guy on your side of the door, before. It's funny the first time or two, and then it's annoying as fuck.

[–]OneU 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I don't get why anyone would do that. She's fucking whoever, it's​ not your business so go masturbate and stfu

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Agitated Betas do dumb stuff. Back in HS I was with a buddy of mine at his place with some girl he was banging, and a kid we knew (we were seniors this kid was a sophomore) showed up at his house. I'm not sure what he thought he was going to accomplish, maybe "save" the girl from my friend?

And it's not like the guy was a bad guy, it's just the power of the Disney Delusion is so strong. I'm sure he felt he'd "done every thing right" and so he "deserved the girl, just like in the movies". I knew him better than my buddy, so I offered to go tell him to scram, but my pal went out and handled his own business. Took about 15 minutes and ended in a handshake, or at least no bloodshed.

Another time a guy showed up at the flat of a girl I was banging. The door to her flat opened to the outside so he could just walk up, which he did, and started pounding on the door. So I looked at her and said, "Is there something you want to tell me?" /grin Of course, he was blowing up her phone, too. So I told her that this was going to be amusing for about ten minutes and then it was going to end badly for her pet beta, and she needed to get rid of him or I was going to go outside and poke him to death with one of my fingers. She actually said to me: "Don't hurt him! He's little!" Anyway, just then a buddy of mine rang and by the time I was off the phone with him, the dude was gone, with only his pride hurt.

Possibly the worst one was with the professor I was dating. We went back to her place, once, and one of her orbiters (in fairness, she had fucked the guy and then dropped him back before she met me) had broken in to her flat. Not like smashed a window, but he used a credit card on the door, which you can do on those old-style locks. Now, I did't know who this asshole was sitting on the couch but he was about 2 seconds away from getting the beating of his life. As he was sitting on the couch and not fleeing, and not robbing the place, I assumed there was something else going on. His hands were empty (and folded, in his lap, to protect his shrinking balls), so I looked at her and said, "Friend of yours?" So she took him outside and explained the Facts of Life to him, and then he was gone. He actually said to her, "But I did all that movie shit!"

Moral of the Story #1: Tier 1 babes come with weird, desperate orbiters who think their only hope is to dial it up to 11 and do weird, desperate stuff.

Moral of the Story #2: The Dream Machine lies to you. You can do "all that movie shit", and you can "Do Everything Right" and still lose.

Moral of the Story #3: Don't ever be that guy.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the guy truly believed he legitimately didn't have a chance then he'd never behave like this. These are the actions of a man who genuinely believes that he's courting her and she's receptive which is why he became so angry when she brought another guy home with her; he genuinely felt like he was being cheated on.

Now where do you suppose he got the idea that he had a chance with her? Yes, most likely it was her that led him on in order to pull him in as an orbiter who will shower her with attention, favors, and other goodies, i.e. a boyfriend w/o benefits. This is why she's trying to placate the guy rather then telling him off; she's worried that she's going to lose her orbiter.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I have as well...

I took a different approach, I put the armoir in front of the door

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've been that guy twice before. One we pretended to not be there until he gave up and left. The 2nd was her ex who climbed into her 2nd floor apartment balcony. I grabbed a hockey stick as a weapon waited for him to make the mistake of entering the bedroom but she convinced him to leave somehow. Fun times....

[–]aiguo888 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like the "Thousand Cock Stare".

Nah, sad eyes are legit, thousand cock stare is different.

[–]Katavasis 30 points31 points  (3 children)

This is the shit i see in TRP and i know who is legit and who is not. Only guys that have been there understand what this mofo is talking about. Photos,teddy bears,her little pink pyjamas her mother bought her...they are kids left in a world,homeless. Yes,sadness is the right word. When in these situations i think that we didn't do our job properly. Us,men.We didn't protect the ones who need protection. We let them go out in traffic.

The worst thing is,i don't believe 'Sadness Phase' is a phase afterall,but the end in your realization.

[–]Psychocist 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Man, this is hitting way too close to home. I just got out of a 10 month relationship with a 29 year old chick who was exactly like this, daddy issues and history of self-harm.

I tried to break up with her in the first 3-4 months and ended up dragging it out for way too long because I wasn't strong enough to just stop giving a shit and abandon her (she's studying in my country and doesn't have a social circle).

But yeh, you can't save anyone. I knew this, and I tried for a while, but the toxicity, sadness and sluttiness drove me away. Now I'm just trying to forget about her but it's difficult. Caught feelings and everything inside me wants to be Captain Save a Ho.

[–]Katavasis 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yup.When i was younger,i was unfortunate enough that i had girls go suicidal(threats,if anything). Of course i am speculating there were more red flags underneath( clinical mental issues), but one could wonder maybe it's all a vicious circle.

[–]Psychocist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ya know what, she had attempted to commit suicide in the past before I met her (pills).. and during one of our break ups she said she had nothing to live for and basically threatened to kill herself. She is now thinking of quitting her masters and going back to her country.

It's not nice, and I don't see how it will ever end if they don't learn how to save themselves and not rely on someone else.

[–]claydn 15 points16 points  (0 children)

lol @ i like the slut test. this post is definitely saved. I enjoyed the read. Thanks for sharing, dude. :)

[–]Hotdawg179 14 points15 points  (2 children)

This is the best post I've read on TRP in a long time. Thank you for taking the time and damn do I relate to it...

[–]RedPillFreedom 4 points5 points  (1 child)

u/Heathcliff--'s posts have that effect

I enjoy his work. Check out his "Now, I will no longer waste my gift." That post really hit home for me.

IMO, it's one of those posts newbies could align with. It would allow them the mental clarity to become present and take advantage of their youth.

[–]Hotdawg179 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd actually read it when he first posted it I believe. It was a good re-read though. Now that my life is taking a new direction it all seems more real.

[–]imurhckleberry 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Dude, this is FANTASTIC writing. You hit the nail on the head, we didn't break society and neither did the women we plate. Just like us they have to deal with the new set of rules.

[–]RedPharaohRising 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I don't understand one thing, OP.
You say you can't fix her. That's fine, she has to fix herself - anyone else can only help.
Then you say, it's not my job. I'm not sure why you say this, because it is increasingly seeming like most people on TRP are using this to avoid taking on a girl who may have problems of her own.

But if everyone acts this way, this kinda resembles capitalism, no? The people who are okay get okay-er, and the ones who are messing up continue to do so.

Don't give me the logic of "If I didn't fuck her, someone would, so I'm making it me." That's still a cop out, because if your primary objective really was avoiding the decline, you would decline anyway - you can't change her, but you can play a part in not making her pair-bonding ability worse by fucking her.
And then what we do contributes to the decline anyway, and we say "enjoy the decline". It's like we're pillaging a war-torn village, saying someone would have stolen this stuff anyway, and the point is that that's not the right argument to make it you want to stem the decline.

Do you want to stem the decline, or are you just observing and getting out with some goods? I'm asking for an answer, I'm not calling you out on any moral code.
I'm a little hand-wavy in my argument, but I'd love to get an answer, just as much for my own understanding.

[–]Heathcliff-- points points [recovered]

It's not my job because I have a redpilled pair bonded girlfriend that I love to bits and I would never replace her. Even if I do feel for the girl and genuinely want her to be happy, I can't get involved because doing so will betray the emotional bond I have with my own girl.

Plus, it's helping one, out of millions. It's like how I don't give homeless people money, because I can't help them all and helping just one feels like a betrayal to all the other ones. I'd rather cure the problem of homelessness than alleviate the symptoms.

I don't believe in "enjoy the decline". The decline isn't just affecting women, it's killing us too. It's a defeatist attitude. I'd rather work to prevent the decline.

[–]Mobius_One 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Forgive my ignorance, but if you

have a redpilled pair bonded GF,

what are you doing fucking these sluts in the first place? It seems t

[–]Journeyman_95 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Plus, it's helping one, out of millions. It's like how I don't give homeless people money, because I can't help them all and helping just one feels like a betrayal to all the other ones.

I'm going to respectfully disagree at your analogy. It's better to help who you can than not help any at all. Personally I think that mindset is the wrong way to go about things. In terms of relationships I agree, as you're getting yourself tied to that person so it's going to affect your life tremendously but in regards to the people who need a helping hand, a contribution from you won't really have any negative effects on your life.

It's be a different story if you didn't give money based on the fact that you don't trust where that money will go as many are addicts but to base it on the reason that just because you can't help them all means you shouldn't help any is a weak ideology.

[–]RedPharaohRising 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a fair answer. I can accept that, though I disagree on the homeless people thing - it's still a step forward for them, maybe things happen maybe not, but there's no betrayal involved as long as you're doing what you can.

[–]Zech4riah 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I don't even think I can plate anymore, I can't keep doing this to >these girls. I know if I don't others will, but it won't be on my >conscience at least.

This. I was and though exactly like you before.

  • Stage 1) I don't want to hurt women and fuck around (Bluepill excuse because I couldn't get women)
  • Stage 2) Success with women: "oh man, I actually hurt these girls, I don't wanna plate them anymore"
  • Stage 3) Getting numb and not caring so much about girls feelings anymore.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This piece was incredibly insightful.

[–]Psychocist 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Wow. This is painful. A few weeks back I broke up with my GF of 10 months who sounds almost exactly like this.. self-harm scars, sad, slutty. Was only my second relationship and first time I'd had first-date sex and she got me seriously addicted (was great in bed).

I realised I didn't want to be with her long-term after a few months and, through efforts to save her, dragged it out over 6 months and really fucked up both our heads.

The saddest thing - close to our final break up she actually asked me "what do I have to do for commitment". I didn't even know what to say, I just said "respect yourself". That's what spiralled into her kicking me to the curb because I couldn't offer commitment.

At least now I know. I don't ever want to be involved emotionally with that kind of person again.

Having said that, people here might not advocate relationships much, but I do hope one day I can experience a healthy relationship with a fairly healthy woman. A life of spinning plates with daddy issues sounds like a depressing existence.

[–]sincerely_beta 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I was discussing Houellebecq with someone and they had told me about The Red Pill. I was reminded of him while going through the post. Maybe some of you will like reading these excerpts:

From the amorous point of view Véronique belonged, as we all do, to a sacrificed generation. She had certainly been capable of love; she wished to still be capable of it, I’ll say that for her; but it was no longer possible. A scarce, artificial and belated phenomenon, love can only blossom under certain mental conditions, rarely conjoined, and totally opposed to the freedom of morals which characterizes the modern era. Véronique had known too many discothèques, too many lovers; such a way of life impoverishes a human being, inflicting sometimes serious and always irreversible damage. Love as a kind of innocence and as a capacity for illusion, as an aptitude for epitomizing the whole of the other sex in a single loved being rarely resists a year of sexual immorality, and never two. In reality the successive sexual experiences accumulated during adolescence undermine and rapidly destroy all possibility of projection of an emotional and romantic sort; progressively, and in fact extremely quickly, one becomes as capable of love as an old slag. And so one leads, obviously, a slag’s life; in ageing one becomes less seductive, and on that account bitter. One is jealous of the younger, and so one hates them. Condemned to remain unavowable, this hatred festers and becomes increasingly fervent; then it dies down and fades away, just as everything fades away. All that remains is resentment and disgust, sickness and the anticipation of death.


It's a fact, I mused to myself, that in societies like ours sex truly represents a second system of differentiation, completely independent of money; and as a system of differentiation it functions just as mercilessly. The effects of these two systems are, furthermore, strictly equivalent. Just like unrestrained economic liberalism, and for similar reasons, sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization. Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never. Some make love with dozens of women; others with none. lt’s what's known as ‘the law of the market’. In an economic system where unfair dismissal is prohibited, every person more or less manages to find their place. In a sexual system where adultery is prohibited, every person more or less manages to find their bed mate. In a totally liberal economic system certain people accumulate considerable fortunes; others stagnate in unemployment and misery. In a totally liberal sexual system certain people have a varied and exciting erotic life; others are reduced to masturbation and solitude. Economic liberalism is an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. Sexual liberalism is likewise an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. On the economic plane Raphael Tisserand belongs in the victors’ camp; on the sexual plane in that of the vanquished. Certain people win on both levels; others lose on both. Businesses fight over certain young professionals; women fight over certain young men; men fight over certain young women; the trouble and strife are considerable.

-- Michel Houellebecq, "Whatever"

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Great post and I get what you are saying but the sadness phase will pass much more quickly than the anger phase. It is great that you are still in touch with your feelings and you should not lose your moral compass, but do not get too upset. This girl has chosen to ride the CC, of course it is society's and feminisms fault that these women are being encouraged to act like men and thereby ruining their own lives, but save your pity for the real victims. Guys getting divorce raped, guys getting cheated on, and less attractive girls who really have to do jobs they hate and go without male companionship. Yes it is sad that western women have become tacky sluts who cannot pair bond, but hey, you go girl. I suspect you are ready for an LTR, just be ready to accept that there are no unicorns and find a girl with as few red flags as possible.

[–]BargainBinBoyfriend 5 points6 points  (2 children)

OP, I'm surprised you didn't mention any cutting scars... they're almost universal on this type anymore. They provide good discreet information when seen, though.

[–]dontbedenied 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've had a two girlfriends with cutting scars. The first time around I was so naive and gullible, I tried to "save" her. She turned out to be a psycho of course. The second one I didn't realize what they were until she told me (they were on her thigh). I realized these were nuclear red flags, but I still stuck around for a little while longer. Surprise, another psycho. Never again.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's sad really because they think putting out automatically grants them commitment from a rich alpha, when it's actually the opposite.

No wonder why society used to protect against this.

[–]SandpaperScrew 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Dude, I've already gone through this phase of life. I went to college still being the geeky shy musician out of high school and suddenly girls were into that kind of thing. And I've been through a lot of them, and it made me feel good about myself. Even ignored the guilt of telling the ones interested in me I didn't want to date. This eventually caught up with me though, bad. I thought I really was these girl's friend as well as their Fuck buddy, but for real they all dropped out of my life after they got tired of my dick. The thing I failed to realize was that I wasn't the only one out to use someone to get off, they were out for the same thing. And whether it's because of bullying, abuse or just low self-esteem or mental health issue, everyone in that game is carrying something around heavy on their hearts that they're trying to heal, trying to overcome. I know teenagers are sick of hearing it, but it's hormones. It really is, because soon you're in your twenties and you're an adult still trying to score pussy at the local bars with a woman who's never found a man who wouldn't hit her and she spent ten years hooked on dope. And everyone stands there, full blown alcoholics, telling themselves they're still young, hot and they want to get laid. But it's a lie. I've never seen a sadder bunch of people, even if they force a smile on their faces.

But not everybody ends up that way. The fact you've been able to recognize these feelings now is a good thing, listen to that. If you really want to help these girls, don't Fuck them. If you are going to Fuck them, take them on dates first and show them how a man should treat a woman. Impress the Fuck out of them, and set a standard that they'll hopefully carry over into their next actual relationship.

Then someday, when you find the girl you want to spend your life with, if you're convinced and you will be because you'll probably have known her a long time: Forgive her for the mistakes she's going to make along the way, because she was probably raised in the same shit all the other girls you've known have been in, but she'll hide it much better. And if you love her, you'll drag the truth out of her kicking and screaming and that experience will bond you two forever.

I now have a one year old boy with my love of my life, and we have been through some shit, but her shit was going on as we got together. Mine had already passed. And I helped her, through my tears and pain, to get her near my level of contentment with my own life. Now life is beautiful, and I wouldn't want it any other way.

[–]tantman 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Please elaborate... how did you drag the truth out of her?

[–]SandpaperScrew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd rather not delve into that part of our life anymore. It was a sad time for both of us.

[–]Eugene261 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm pretty sure it involves getting deeper into a girls head and learning more about her and all the issues that come with girls like this. The only issue is, once you find out what created the broken human being you just screwed, they tend to create attachments. Little things like poking her with questions about her past and what not will usually give you some sort of truth, but if you really want to hear the truth, listen attentively to what a girls says. They tend to slip up and let things out a lot.

Back the the main issue. So you find the truth of why some slut with daddy issues is the way she is, but you know better than sticking around and giving her the commitment she desperately craves (and needs). So you do the smart thing, sever the connection she created and end up hurting her more than you would have just fucking her.

The conclusion is just be a monk.

[–]_Hank-Scorpio_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think men have a natural tendency to want to problem-solve.

Woman with insecurities and past trauma craves/needs a man. Being her man seems like the solution.

But unfortunately, or at least in my case, it actually just made everything worse for her. The problem can't be solved. She'll be a mess without you or a mess with you. The only answer I can give is to apply the TRP notion of staying on your mission. Maybe say something nice to her to show that you respect her dignity as a human being. But unfortunately that's probably just going to make you feel better about it rather than fix her problems.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Now the difference in treatment between men and women.

My dad was probably a sociopath. If not a clinical sociopath, he definitely took pleasure in abusing me and mom emotionally - won't get into it, because, as you might imagine, that is a whole post in and of itself. I have grown up with anxiety and adult depression. Do you think anybody in this world has given a fuck? Not one person, except the college counselor I am seeing at thirty years old as a graduate student.

I never really had an anger phase, because I have never felt mistreated by women. I won the genetic lottery, and the vast majority of times I got laid, it was literally because I am that attractive. Game has been zero for my whole life. Turns out that being emotionally abused well into your twenties will fuck you up mentally. The only reason I know this, is because I have been working on myself and researching things related to my problem (mainly procrastination). Symptoms and causes described through my readings fit too closely to my own circumstances to ignore. My parents fucked me over, and not even my own family cares. If I exist, imagine how many men out there like me exist. And not one person sheds a tear for men. Not one.

Take me out of the equation, because I am still alive and I have a future ahead of me. What about the guys, the mass of them, that give up and commit suicide. How much awareness is there to what led them to such desperation? Men in the US lament being forgotten and left behind, society laughs at them for being weak.

This is a fantastic fucking post, u/Heathcliff--. Thank you very much.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Hey man. Sorry to hear about your depression. There are people out there that care. Few and far between, but they're out there. I was depressed and lucky enough to find a girl, also depressed, who cared about my mental state. Ended up being too much for either of us to deal with the other's issues. Which is completely understandable. We ended it on less than amicable terms, but I still love her and wish her the best. Having beaten my depression, I can say it's truly worth it. I hope you can beat yours and the issues your upbringing brought you. I know they're tough to deal with. I hope, if you haven't, you won't turn to hurting others in an attempt to fix or mask your issues.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your thoughts, thank you.

My focus is my mission. I have no desire in causing pain for its own sake, I simply want to be the man I envision for myself.

[–]Stonish 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Upvote for not being emotionless piece of crap while still maintaining RP rules.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Great write-up /u/Heathcliff-- .

I do have one insight to share:

I do this with EVERY girl I bang for the first time. Pretend I don't have a condom and see how many of them will fuck me without one anyway. If they have any class they'll say no... but the vast majority of girls I've done this with were totally okay with it. SO MANY girls fail the test.

This may not always be the case.

If the girl feels you're way out of her league, she may let you fuck her raw just to avoid the risk of disappointing you. She doesn't want your first sexual experience together to be awkward or disappointing, or she may lose her chance with you.

Here's my personal slut test:

Me: Shit, I think I may have left my condoms at home.

Her: Oh don't worry, I've got some here.

Bam, failed.

[–]UnterSkiller 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Isnt this test hypocritical? Getting to bang as much as possible while expecting them not to bang that often

[–]akolyteofthecentury 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holding two unequal entities' fundamentally different sexuality to an equal standard is nonsense. If men and women were equal, then it would be hypocritical. Since they are not...

[–]BlackKnightofthePill[🍰] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

This is a hard thing to go through I imagine.

You're missing out on something, though.

We know that women in general have a difficult time making good logical decisions, especially when they are also emotional or turned on, this isn't a criticism of them as you know, just an observation of fact. Yet when they act like that it doesn't necessarily disqualify them for whatever kind of relationship we want (plate through wife) because we know AWALT.

There's statistically no such thing as a unicorn, although they may exist. The world has taught SadEyes and the others to offer their bodies just like it has taught them the other behaviors and expectations that they didn't have it at least knew to keep under control a hundred years ago.

For all the other bad behaviors (hypergamy, shit tests etc.) We train them. Why can't you do the same for the girl who doesn't know any better than to offer her body to you as a way to offer her SELF to you?

Obviously, if she wasn't the material for whatever you're looking for in other ways then plate her. But if she has what you're looking for in other ways and your hold up was that she offered herself to you, what's the problem? It's just a corroborating piece of evidence of the fact that they're flawed in their ways like we are in ours.

Your post gave me the impression that you are fine with spinning plates but that you also potentially want more. If I misread then never mind.

This isn't about turning a ho into a housewife. You can't do that. But there's a difference between the thousand cock stare, which is devoid of emotion and the eyes of a sad girl who is experiencing real emotion and is just dealing with it badly (ie offering herself to you and not demanding a condom). It's basically like one huge desperate comfort text that you have no obligation to pass. But, if she or any of the others have "it", aside from failing your slut test, it's not wrong to pass it.

We talk about the biological impulses of women and men, how they're different and sometimes use TRP strategy because we have to in this day and age. One of the things that we say about men is claim the biological imperative if spreading our seed, and we expect not to be blamed for that. We also point out the biological imperative of women giving themselves to Chad. Should we fault them from that if they're not in a committed relationship? Perhaps a little because they might lack some discipline. But we already knew they did in general, so big deal. Another biological imperative that men sometimes have is the one you fight each time this happens to you. The bad manifestation of it is trying to turn a thousand cock stare ho into a housewife. The potentially at least acceptable if not good manifestation of it is selecting a girl who has what it takes in other regards but mistakenly thinks sheer needs to give it up right away for a guy to want her. That's a lack of a sense of self-worth and deserves pity of not empathy from 17 BMI futanari fapping you of your past, since you probably had a lack of a sense of self worth at the time too.

I'll give you an example from college. I met this got half-korean girl. She was obviously "lost" in a similar way you describe SadEyes. She was hot, smart and interesting, but had no real sense of self-worth, was into Wicca because they make you feel like you belong to something, and "went both ways" because she was desperate for acceptance.

She gave it up to me the first date. It was a little bit of a red flag for relationship material, but everyone has some red flags. What ended up happening was a three-year relationship, 2 after college. She never cheated, she learned to be level-headed, her shit tests went down and down over the years, she stayed a freak the whole time, she got over girls, it was an all around good experience for both of us.

We ended up breaking up because of different long-term life goals and she went on to marry a guy who thought she was a super catch, partly because of the fact that (it sounds kinda presumptuous but it's true) because I didn't say "she's a slut because she didn't demand a condom. I helped her out of a downward spiral and had a satisfying relationship to boot, and did a service to her, her husband and her kids by doing so. It wasn't a loss in my book.

Obviously that's anecdotal, and it can't always be like that, but TRP can be applied while still being compassionate and change women's lives, and therefore their future families and therefore society.

[–]BargainBinBoyfriend 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Was this the best way for YOU to have spent those 3 years, though? I don't have an answer in mind; I am curious given that you have hindsight now. I assume you weren't still spinning plates at the time?

[–]BlackKnightofthePill[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At the time, you're right, I was not spinning plates. But I got all I wanted from her. In my case it was a fulfilling relationship on many levels. I have no regrets, but I realize it's anecdotal.

[–]pateuvasiliu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Every single girl I've fucked, every plate has had this effect on me. Maybe I'm just a big fucking softie, it just makes me sad.

Don't. That's bullshit. They want a top SMV guy. No guy that's at the top of the SMV got there just to fuck ONE woman.

There are plenty dudes that would be willing to commit to them, they just need to have realistic standards. But a woman will always try to date up. Take the beta in this story. He's probably in love with her, autistic as he is. And she is not exactly wife material, either. They're both fucked in the head. They'd deserve each other. But she tried to commit/date up by asking YOU, someone she barely knew, to commit to her, whereas that guy was ready to do it.

Why? Because they'll always try to reach higher than they can get. So why pity that?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I needed this today. Reentered anger phase recently, important to remember that we're all humans.

Poor girl. I feel so sad for her. What have we done to ourselves.

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The same thing we've always done to ourselves. We never fell from grace; this realization is the path toward self actualization. By better understanding the underlying psychology of what motivates our behavior and drives our decision making, we are better equipped to avoid the painful consequences of the actions we take in ignorance.

[–]dontbedenied points points [recovered]

Girls like this don't want to be saved or loved. They want to be treated like dogs. Maybe they say they want to be loved, and guys will slobber up that empty statement, but they're just words. Believe what a woman does, not what they say.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Exactly. And the reason they want to be treated this way is because they can't stand to look inwards. They love a guy to take charge and treat them superficially. If he starts to get below the surface she will stone-wall and change the subject. It becomes frustrating eventually.

[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Absolutely. I've seen it first hand in an LTR. They know when they're fucked up. If you fall for her bullshit, you've essentially failed at representing yourself as a bullshit sniffer, thereby sending her a signal that you can't protect her. If you can't harshly judge the character of a woman, then you are a chump.

OP's post is great IMO. Having compassion within yourself and outwardly for people that deserve it is vital to a functional society. However, a broken woman is a succubus and will devour your soul if you let her. Don't save them, they don't want to be saved, they want to be treated exactly as they see themselves.

[–]LordThunderbolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And that's on everything. They genuinely want to be treated like shit. They know they're fucked up to the core and expect u to treat them accordingly. If u don't, they'll see u as a chump and they will ABUSE you.

[–]kaspell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Always comes back to that last sentence

[–]simple_mech 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's just the blue balls talking.

[–]spacedogg 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've been having affairs for awhile now and it really makes me feel like a stud- at least at the beginning.

Then, I begin to see the very same girl inside a grown womans' body and I feel like I simply intruded into her life.

It's real mate.

[–]throwinghthisoneaway 3 points4 points  (1 child)

And thats how I got sucked into my last LTR

[–]acoupleyearsred 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The pictures in their bedrooms always get me. Especially put together girls, I'd like to see their family's reaction to her swallowing my load and getting a dick in the rib cage the first time we get drinks

[–]Bkblul 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Great post mate. It has really inspired a fair bit of discussion.

Sadeyes reminds me of a girl I met last year. 21, short, blonde with a cute smile and a voice that melts your heart. Got her into bed and found out the same as you. No dad, living away from home for school and a bedroom full of memories. She looked at me stupid when I stopped to put a condom on. Was some of the worst sex I'd ever had, she laid there like a starfish. Asked her for her N count and my jaw dropped when I heard 30. Didn't talk to her again.

Currently in an LTR with a country girl, parents are Christian and still together. Honestly the difference is black and white. She actually has some self-respect. At first she wouldn't go further without protection. Now I can pretty much fuck her anyway I want and she loves it. It's a good feeling being the first guy to show a girl that new position etc.

Not sure if this will help your screening but I've noticed that most of these non-slutty girls are very careful to not let other people know you're having sex (no PDAs etc). Don't be offended, it's nothing on you.

I've always felt that a single woman taking birth control was a red flag as well. How many people are you fucking that you need to pop a pill every day?

[–]Mobius_One 4 points5 points  (2 children)

BC helps many of them with acne. Others have fucked up cycles and use BC to normalize the menstrual effects. Finally, you ought to look up how BC works if you don't understand why it's taken once a day. It's not a plan B pill.

[–]Bkblul 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I've heard that reason before but genuinely wondering if those issues could be fixed by diet or activity?

Even so I still think it's something to consider. BC makes it convenient for a single woman to sleep with anyone when-ever and where-ever she wants.

In OP's example she would've basically said, yeah I'm on birth control so you can stick it in. Completely ignoring the possibility of an std.

[–]Mobius_One 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know my sisters' acne was drastically improved (if you've had bad acne and you've found one treatment that works, you stick with it). And, yes, in a small subset of women, their menstruation cycle can cause immense, debilitating, "I can't move it hurts so bad" pain (typically skinnier women) to the point where they won't have one more than every 3 months - with aid of BC.

You're, of course, right that it'd allow them to have sex whenever they wanted - but that's not exactly something that shouldn't be "allowed" just because they're women. If I had an organ in me that would spawn a parasite for 9+ months if I had sex, I'd sure as fuck be on some meds to prevent that. OP's example is still a good example of a shit test IMO, if she's letting you do X, she's letting others do X - whether it's raw-dogging, anal, BJ's, whateverthefuckeslseshesayssheneverdoes. At the end of the day, women are people and people lie to make themselves seem "better" than they really are.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think a requirement of posting these epic "totally happened" stories where you claim to be "Chad" multiple times should be posting a picture of your face so we can judge just how "Chadly" you actually are.

I can't believe people actually eat this shit up. Was TRP always this bad? I could swear it was better when I first came here a long time ago. When did TRP devolve into a Revenge of the Nerds fanfiction sub?

Someone even gave OP gold for this wank. Fucking christ.

[–]1MrTheFalcon 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Amazing; introspective and expressive.

I've only recently killed my inner white knight, so I'm asking as much as I'm observing. Your attitude in the pickup phase is arrogant. Is that necessary? For example, if the girl is falling all over you, do you need to game her that hard? Is it possible to pull back a little so that you are still leading? That way you are in charge, but not completely dominating her. Even if you are purposefully creating a more balanced dynamic, doesn't that increase intimacy, and isn't intimacy rewarding?

I also think it's a virtue that you have compassion for these women. God knows I've learned the hard way that I can't fix people (except for myself). But you can listen, and if asked, you can give honest advice. I'm thinking that instead of leaving, feeling bad for this girl, you can be a bit of light in her life, even if it's just for one night.

There's got to be more to it than just getting off. I mean, if that's all there is, then for guys who have any compassion at all, is it even worth the next-day feels. At that point why bother once you've proved you can do it? - Bang an HB9-10, then peace-out and porn.

[–]1MrTheFalcon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reading through the rest of the comments, I'm realizing that my inner white knight is not quite dead. There is a lifetime of indoctrination to subvert...

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My partner count is well into the triple digits. Looking back, I can honestly say that number of women who INSISTED I used a condom: less than 5. (Not 5%, 5.)

Proceed with caution gents. If she's not insisting on a condom with you, she's not insisting on it with anyone else either.

[–]1nonthaki 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don' t have any opinion about OP's view of her humanity. But, I want to tell something I observed.

There is an IOI that I have seen in many girls who were interested in me. If you are standing with one or two of your friends , and the girl is facing all of You , then look to whom her feet is pointing at. In my case , I have seen in many girls who I later found out were interested in me ; their feet were pointed at me during conversations in a small group (3 or 4 people maximum). Ofcourse, take this theory with a pinch of salt - it need not be true with Every girl .

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've only ever had one girl who stopped sex and just sucked me off. Some girls have their own condoms. That's less worrisome then the bad option but still irks me that they're fucking around so much that they keep their own condoms just in case. Oh well, whatever, AWALT after all.

I just assume every girl is like that nowadays... I wouldn't even bother with the tests. her emotions WILL get the better of her

[–]tolerantman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Anger is the emotion of desiring to make a change, to act.

Sadness is the emotion of being unable to chance anything.

[–]LiquidSwords89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the most cringeworthy thing I have ever read lmao "holy fuck im chad" hahahah

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Good write-up, OP.

THIS is the archetypical CC rider who hits the wall HARD before 30. Smoking tobacco + stress horomones are going to rapidly age her body and face, and if she keeps trying to fill that empty place in her head with more cocks she will end up bitter and cynical on top of having a cigarette voice.

[–]aiguo888 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You forgot a looooong paragraph about AWALT.

Now some beta might think he can save her or some shit.

Even a shy girl I think might have been virgin ( in asia so this is plausible ) turned full femnazi on me when she found out I wasn't the rock solid alpha she had previously seen me. Make no mistake these girls can turn on you at any moment when you fail shit tests or otherwise don't appear particularly mentally strong anymore.

I do stupid bro shit with them, like frat boy chest beating and all that. Imagine being that fucking beta. Looking at it from his perspective, I'm just a douchebag tall Chad who's fucking the girl of his dreams and now I'm the worst person in the world.

I like calm collected alphas not muh dick aggressive douchebag types. The vast majority are the latter and for them it's all about physical dominance, so they get no love from me.

I'm not hating, I just wouldn't want to associate with guys like that and too many of them lead to a downfall of civilization down to 3rd world levels really quick. (this is already the case in western Europe)

[–]tropzumuch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're a main bro. Stopping to game and still producing this professional RP post. Thanks man

[–]creative-om 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If this isn't made up, it's the saddest thing I've ever read.

Every guy wants to be the nice guy but after years of experience...you know it isn't what they really want.

[–]follow_that_rabbit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Woah dude, that was a strong piece... Thanks for sharing, i'll meditate on that for sure.

[–]Metalbear55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the biggest takeaway from here is that OP completely killed off his neediness. Even if he didn't get his hands on that chick he would've been fine and that's the biggest piece of puzzle for securing a lay

And about the sadness phase Most of us here are to enjoy the decline You're feeling sympathy for her because she has shown you her good side. A side that only chads see

Just imagine how ruthless and apathetic she was to her beta roommate and you will somehow see the truth

[–]AttackOnKvothe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But they ARE at fault for being sluts.

They got equality, now its THEIR fault for what they do, because they are "equal".

Don't be silly OP, women and men are still what they were 200 years ago, but the social situation makes it so both have the real tools to change their lives.

Just because women have less neurons in the brain and can't understand how the world works on a concious level, doesn't mean they don't do real effects.

From sadness, you will go to pitying, and from there, to trying to save the girls, and it risks you falling again in the beta zone.

Never pity those bitches, they have what they deserve. They have issues? They should solve them themselves, thats how the world works in this century, in this month, and in this week.

If it was different, and if the whole system of "man saving woman, woman being a good wife" worked nowadays, I would cheer for you, but the system nowadays is that everyone is for themselves, and you can't trust anyone.

People treat each other like dispensable items which are good only as long as they are useful, so you shouldn't lower your guard and believe those girl really need saving.

The moment you "save" them, they will seek a taller, handsomer and funnier guy to "save" them from you.

They never settle, like a normal human being would, because women are human nature's leech, always going to a stronger host to suck the positive things.

The moment she gets an alpha, she searches for an alpha+ or an alpha alpha.

Never, ever feel sadness. It just blurrs your vision, and gets you blue balled because of a betafag and a dumb bimbo who can't tell him to fuck off or she will call the police.

[–]1walawalawa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What I take away from this epic story...is how far you've come along. Girls are girls.

The more you see her as a "waif" or a "slut" or whatever, the more you give up a piece of yourself to "save" someone else.

The essence of beta and Blue Pill is co-dependence. It's something I'm purging myself of.

I meet and bang girls like this. I don't feel sorry for them, they wouldn't want me to. It would ruin their image of me as the strong, aloof, cocky-funny guy who swept her off her feet---even for that moment---and made her night.

I just had a night out with a 22 year old I was gaming. I can see that despite her brashness and cockiness she's kind of a scared kid.

But I never talked down to her, never ever patronized her. I gamed her the way I game every girl. That's what sparks attraction. The minute I start failing shit tests, asking if "She's ok?" "How's your day?" Is the moment she starts losing respect for me because I'd be making her "feel" like a loser.

This whole idea of game being anti-feminist is only uttered by Blue Pill White Knights who actually talk down to women in a bid to demonstrate how "nice" they are.

By gaming a girl you're actually raising her own self-esteem. Take note of the next time you're with a girl, you're gaming her at the first location. You're about to bounce. She says "I just have to go to the washroom" and she comes out with a fresh coat of make up touched up and fresh lipstick.

THAT is the sign the girl feels good about the situation and wants to continue.

The girl still lives with beta neck-beard because he provides that "comfort" and safety and THAT is why he's an orbiter and OP is the one who bangs her.

By acting out like this Room mate was MORE disrespectful of her and treated her like a slut while OP did what a masculine man would and should do.

[–]TheGatesOfValhalla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is really great and it gets me where I am.

My mom told me recently, "Don't break her heart..."

I don't tell my mom much, but she knew about this one plate, I probably told her too much. That kinda stuck home with me and made me super sad. Not for me, but for this girl. I don't have an interest in LTRing her, but she's hoping for that from me even though I've told her no. Unfortunately, she's an alpha widow who rode the CC for way way too long. Definitely not LTR material. I wonder if she realizes that deep down....

[–]sintemir 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is it wrong that i felt nothing? It is like i am watching a documentary that leopard preys on gazella and gazella's boy friend watching her get eaten. Its all natural.

[–]razerkahn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yo - how are you doing since this?

I hit the same wave of feelings about a year ago and went introspective by looking as deep into myself as the plates I was spinning(had about 45-50 in the last 3 years, most for over a month, being 6'6" in LA is cheating)

It eventually lead me away from TRP, but now after being away I'm realizing I might need it again. It's different this time because I have experienced what it brings and where it leads. Almost seems like a circle

I'm speaking specifically and only about the sex and female aspect of TRP. Some part of me wants to give a girl the ability to break my heart because it will feel that much better when she loves me back. At the same time I think I know what women want and have successfully been operating under such guidelines, but if I'm right I'm not sure vulnerably loving a woman is possible.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is he your dad?

"I mean if you want you can come in and watch I don't mind"

LOL! You're killing me, Smalls! These are grade-A Chadisms. Good for you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I listened to Boulevard of broken Dreams ( Piano Version ) while Reading the last part cause it came up in my playlist .

Perfect Combination .

[–]JohnnyCocktails93 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fact: Girls without a father = hypergamy on steroids

I empathize where you're coming from. The thing is, the more you dig about her personal life, the more you end up rationalizing to yourself why she ended up the way she is, and your bp conditioning makes you feel responsible to save her. At the least you feel guilty if you don't.

But like this sub often says...there's no nobility in being captain save-a-ho. Girls like this are usually damaged way beyond repair. You might fill an emotional void for her temporarily, but it's only a matter of time before her hypergamy kicks in and she's looking for the next Chad. You feel sad now? Imagine how you'll feel when you get played for a sucker when she cheats after you promise her the world.

That said, I personally would still plate this girl if the sex was good - but to each his own. Seems like you need some time to come to terms with the sadness you're experiencing - completely understandable.

Btw, love the condom slut test approach - I'm going to put that in my bag of tricks.

[–]Docbear64 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This post was a rollercoaster of emotions from what was an Field report bordering on " that happened " territory to a really deep raw look at plating and I think you're absolutely right . I've experienced it myself and I'm sure many others on the sub a woman who's broken inside who seeks sex and men as a way to attend to her self - esteem issues and lack of a direction .

The unfortunate thing is we live in a society where there is no real way to fix this . It would require a massive cultural shift away from selfishness ad a focus on a collective happiness with the understanding of what sacrifices have to happen to attain that. It's that raw statement come true " You can have just about anything, but you can't have everything" . We have a generation of women being told that they can have it all and it hurts them , it hurts our relationship prospects with them , and It's only going to further ruin the next generations of kids.

[–]_Hank-Scorpio_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Strong observation, thanks.

[–]MasterJeaf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This read like fucking war Novel. Brilliant perspective though, brought more of a Human element to trp.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Some of the things u said almost made me puke. Guy.....she smokes and looks sad, why would you expect her to be a "good girl" she seems damaged and fucking smokes......im glad your eyes are open now. Boys are growing up into broken/very sensitive bitches and women are growing up as stupid sluts.

Anyways, i dont use the "Act like you've already fucked the shit out of her" i personally have better shit to do and the woman im talking to rn sees that and is chasing me. But i do see why you said that because you can use that confidence, so if you gotta do that then alright cool. Also i use texting for short convos sometimes, a woman hit me with a "whats up" and it lead to flirting and turning her on to where she sent pics of her breast and blah blah blah. Also were meeting up very soon.

Also i personally dont care to save people. U seem like u want to save people, once you save em there off to a different person.

[–]BudRock56 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Last paragraph is spot-on. Fuck that Bitch!

[–]iconicmindx points points [recovered]

Well written and interesting , but coming from someone who had everything in the world teach him he was " gods gift to women" since he was 11, your lack of internalization is not going to go away anytime soon.

I remember being 17, in awe of the girls I was pulling , not able to believe I was getting with 26 year olds at clubs.

Took Me until I was around 21 to internalize it to w pathological extent.

Sure I'm projecting on your game, but don't give up, even though you may need to remind yourself who you are.

Eventually it'll feel like youz

[–]BargainBinBoyfriend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eventually it'll feel like be youz

[–]indivisibleremainder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is the best post on TRP i've ever read,

[–]Trainzkid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy shit...

This post.. I need to take a long moment to think. Gracias, Captain.

[–]west3rn1deals 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know, although i have never felt sadness for really any advance i made on a girl there was a time... it was my first ever real date. (A little background on myself) I am a very new user, i have heard of the red pill before and i listened to the how to become interesting in 3 steps posts on YouTube. I tried to find the subreddit a year ago, but only found the hate posts. I do lift weights, and i have hobbies and interests. Yet lately i felt something was missing from my life, I'm 18 almost 19 and still a virgin (I can lie to a woman about how many women I've slept with but I won't lie to you folks) and I'm in college. You could say I am a bit of a MGTOW, but I find it illogical to be one and be a virgin at the same time. So i decided to go here and finally take the plunge. Anyways forgive me I digress... during my first date (and when I was under the influence of BP) I thought it was going very well, hell it was the first real date she was ever on too. We talked we laughed and at the end of the night I kissed her on the cheek because I told her I would kiss her when I brought her home (I know right, very BP) well anywho... since the date was on a Friday throughout the rest of the weekend I felt very fatigued and depressed. Not wanting to do anything, until I got to see her again; it led me to the realization that maybe what I was experiencing was a type of high that you could get from snorting cocaine off a strippers ass. Turns out later it was actually true. Bottom line, that could be more than likely what you are experiencing since you felt success from finding out you are Chad, like I did when I had my first date. Hope this helps and always remember to stay thirsty for more... Stay Thirsty my friend.

[–]mrjoykill157 0 points1 point  (0 children)

dude you have every right to just be her friend and also have sex with her if you don't want to see her corrupted.

[–]Nikelu 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Had you not gave so many details the story would be more realistic. But I am like you, and I am feeling the same stuff you do . The only thing I will take is the slut test from this post. But newbies can definitely benefit from this. It can be your new life if you put in the work on yourself and be cocky and idgaf

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mean you can't remember an entire day's worth of interactions verbatim? Beta as fug, bro.

[–]kupakuma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't you the dare use Uzumaki Naruto, the 7th Hokage's name in vain.

[–]kealh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's nothing to do in this world but to stack breads. If she can't swim, she bounds to drown.

I see that sometimes too but then I remember how cold women can be and I don't feel so bad.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

great post man... nearly made me cry while reading it.

do you do caching? cos I could use some right now.

[–]gazzaa2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why feel sorry for her? If she wants to snag a beta she can do. She has other options other than just being a fuck toy for chads.

Feel sorry for the simp who'll end up marrying her in 10 years.

[–]LordThunderbolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's nice and everything, but if these girls found a beta that kept spending money on them and they didn't have to fuck them, they'd suck his wallet dry with no remorse.

[–]LivingstonArt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great read, very relatable. Very good discussions in the comments as well

[–]thrillated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in the exact same boat. The abundance of women in my life is offset by the sadness I feel as I empathize with these women after we fuck.

[–]renateco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great story. Great points. You reached next level TRP. That's what it one can accomplish with TRP, understand women in general, attraction and what are the reasons behind girl-man attraction.

[–]hahayeahthatscool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is all made up lmao he stared at your dick because "she's not supposed to have boys" reads like what a middle schooler thinks dating life would be.

[–]harsheehorshee -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Plz don't use waifu. Makes me think of you as some sad nerdy weaboo that thinks going to an easy Asian country bc he couldn't hack it here is the way to go

Inb4 all the beta weebs down voting. How jack off to your cartoon Japanese girls

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm fairly certain that was his intention when using the term. Sounds like OP was trying to make the contrast between his old BP self who would have thought that, and who he is now.

[–]redpill9-1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Bro there will always be an endless supply of simps to be her emotional tampon. Keep calm and carry on. U banged her. So that's it. It's over. It's hard letting her go but ur male biology is wired like that. But don't let it fool u. Good luck man. Enjoy the decline. Good luck guys really. Btw she's a whore. Nothing more. Dun be a bitch.

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