Red Pill ExampleCrabs in a bucket: You have absolutely no idea how tough it is to be great in life until you pursue greatness and see how many people try to talk you out of it. (self.TheRedPill)

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Crabs in a bucket.

We preach a lot on TRP about being an "alpha male" but if you have been here long enough, you know that the vast majority of subscribers here as well as people in real life are not conductive to an individual rising from the ashes to become an alpha male. No one will openly say it but we should all remember a simple rule of life, don't pay attention to what people say, pay attention to what they do.

I am not where I want to be in life right now but I feel like I have come a long way as someone raised in poverty. As someone raised in poverty though, I have almost been forced to avoid people from my past and it is tough for me to have an optimistic view of the world. It's not just the real world but also a lot of what I read on TRP that has sort of left me jaded. We say we want each other to do well but our actions say otherwise.

Fitness, health, looks, and aesthetics.

I give big props to TRP here, we all admit they matter and help each other out in that regard but society is a far cry. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" being an example and just how desperately everyone tries to talk you out of things like lifting because bodybuilding is for "douchebags". We are slowly getting better about this as a society from what I see, especially since men are told to be fit and given less of a leeway to be overweight and hideous.

Still, you see a lot of it going on to where people will try to push you away from getting the most out of your aesthetics and looks. Be prepared to have others call you vain and shallow just because you want to look good.

Social class and money.

Money is evil.

Money is wicked.

Money is root of all evil.

Being rich is immoral because all rich people are sociopaths. Wealth doesn't matter and people in poor societies are "happier" than some rich guy. You should be guilty for wanting to be rich and wanting a better life, it's the wrong thing to do. Let me tell you about my friend who is homeless but still fucks hot girls, screw having a six figure salary!

How about social class? Stop judging people based on their looks, shallow people do that! Treat everyone fairly! Treat that loser going no where in life just as fairly as that guy who can help you get places in life!

Sexual strategy and hot girls.

"Pussy is pussy"

"It's all pink on the inside"

All 9s and 10s are terrible in bed.

All hot girls are shallow.

All hot girls have personality issues.

All hot girls are stupid.

All hot girls have problems.

All hot girls are evil and two faced.

Sexual strategy is dishonest.

There is more to life than sex!

See my point? They're indirectly saying, settle for that 6 and don't go after that 10. They will even lie and say "game that 6 and ignore that 10 who will automatically fall for you because duh, game!". Hot girls are nasty and hot girls are evil. Only "evil douchebags" get hot girls and most hot girls "aren't worth the effort" just like being rich, aesthetic, and charismatic isn't worth the effort.

That hot blonde is a bitch with major issues, I prefer some woman from a third world country who will cook for me, I am going to Thailand!

They don't want you to get hot girls or know how to get them.


Stick with your own kind!

Stick with women of your own skin tone and don't game women of different races!

Stay away from white women you ethnic scum!

What's wrong with girls of your own race?

Hey ethnic guys, stop obsessing with white women!

Make life easier for yourself, go for women of your own race!

My point here being, given that we have a diverse group on TRP, this is a polarizing subject. To see the ethnic guy get hot blondes is success in eyes of TRP, it something a lot don't want to see whether it is white nationalists or self-defeatist ethnic guys that don't want to see their fellow ethnic men get the kinds of women they know they cannot get.


Why DJ on the weekends? It's too try hard! Stay in and read a book, it's so much more comfortable!

Why approach hot girls? It's creepy!

Why put so much into an online dating profile? The game is rigged!

Why move to a fun and interesting city? Location doesn't matter.

Get the trend here? Live the comfortable shitty life of sitting on your couch all day or do pointless shit like reading a dumb fucking book instead of living life. Now watch as the neckbeards come in and call me a loser for wanting to build an interesting lifestyle instead of reading another boring post on psychology.

You're really on your own.

You have some bits and pieces of info to follow out there to help yourself, expect to hear everyone talk you out of it. That is the test of frame and the test of a strong will. Pursuit of greatness is a test of frame, how do you handle the pressure of the world trying to talk you out of it.

[–]420KUSHBUSH 90 points91 points  (14 children)

Once you start moving in the right direction in terms of improvement many will try to bring you down because they don't want you to improve or they feel threatened. Never let them affect you. Stay true to yourself.

This doesn't apply to everyone though. Obviously not Hitler or Stalin.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (12 children)

This is the part that'll make you uncomfortable. Hitler and Stalin were EXCELLENT examples of alpha males. Atrocious human being, no doubt, but excellent examples of superior alpha males and leaders.

[–]hb8only points points [recovered]

And sociopaths :/ but I got your point - men should have something to die for (and no, it should not be some bitch...

[–]Omnibrad 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Sociopaths and psychopaths are overly represented in CEO positions.

[–]harsha_hs 9 points10 points  (0 children)

And your guess is correct. Hot girls badly want to sleep with them. Yeah, what a dumb slut right?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's an understatement. I went to an interview and during the interview the CEO walked in and he nonchalantly made fun of 2/4 people who interviewed me, then proceed to laugh by himself.

Of course everyone followed. Who dares not to?

[–]lqtys 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your post is representing what OP's is saying...

[–]420KUSHBUSH 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1 in 5 CEOs are psychopaths.

[–]Aesteic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure you can really call Hitler a sociopath.

[–]DeathToTheZog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hitler yes, Stalin not so much. In fact, Stalin was rather cowardly if you know much about his life.

Say what you will of Hitler, that fucker was Alpha to the core.

[–]jm51 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Doesn't seem fair to miss Mussolini from that group. Pure badass. Gets the hots for a (married) plate. Fucks her on the bedroom floor while her hubby sleeps in the marital bed. Epitome of dngaf.

[–]1randomperson123321 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are excellent examples of what happens when you get sociopaths/psychopaths in positions of power. Chaos ensures, people die, everybody loses apart from a selected few.

[–]Theclouddude 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ehh, Hitler was good at getting people to rally around him and believe in what he was saying, however he was an atrocious military leader, going against the advice of his generals to invade the Soviet Union. I don't understand how a man who can't take criticism or advice from his generals is a "good leader".

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I have noticed this. I have a "friend" who is overweight and the times I do see him, he does subtle insults at me. I know the dude is jealous of the fact that I'm in way better shape than him.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 82 points83 points  (2 children)

Fun Fact: a lot of my success in life is due, at least in part, to me saying "Ok!" to the Negative Nancies and then doing whatever I wanted to, anyway. When people try to tell you that you can't do something - you're not tall enough, smart enough, "she's too pretty for you", and other such bullshit - they are really talking about THEIR OWN limitations, not yours.

[–]r-reptile 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ignoring negative nay sayers is necessary if you want to be successful in anything. A lot of times I won't even tell other people my plans (unless they have expertise in the topic and can teach me something useful). The amount of people on social media (including Reddit) that just play "ain't it awful" and bitch about their first world problems with no attempt to learn and improve is depressing and will drag you down if you let it. If you spend time on Facebook (which is fine as it can be a good way to maintain connections with other professionals) it's important to quickly "unfollow" the Debbie Downers.

[–]antirhetoric points points [recovered]

My family are the worst for this shit.

I lose 70lbs to stop being a fat fuck - 'you can be too skinny you know '

I mess up my degree, but decide to knuckle down and manage to pass through a lot of hard work. 'degrees don't matter anyway, don't pressure yourself '

Decided to broaden my horizons and visited Rome and the Vatican 'be careful , there's a lot of homosexuals in Italy. ' ( this one was particularly wtf)

Decide to get some decent, in fashion clothes as I was sick of looking like a disheveled slob. ' what's wrong with wearing old band tshirts and second hand jeans ' ( this was my old beta friends )

I feel people are simply threatened by change. When somebody they know who suddenly grows and changes they see that such change is possible for them too and they have to question themselves and what might need changing in their life , but instead of doing so they just get aggressive instead to resolve the cognitive dissonance.

When I went through my most dramatic changes I lost about 3 close friends as they decided I thought I was better than them and I was therefore a cunt. I'm better off without them I realise but boy is this attitude prevalent.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (8 children)

When I quit smoking weed I lost all my friends.

Turned out they were just people I got high with.

[–]twatbutters 20 points21 points  (7 children)

I don't think I've met a single pothead in my life who was worth keeping as a friend. They're mostly underachievers who are looking for the soonest dopamine kick, no different than fatasses who gorge on food.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yes. Same with xbox and LOL WoW losers.

[–]juunnioorrr 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I would disagree with this. I'm a major pothead, so to speak and tbh I still find time to lift, make a killing at my jobs and drown in pussy. Although I have slowed down a lot over the years but I don't think that because you smoke pot, makes you a worthless human.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

You're absolutely an extreme outlier then. I find that he's right and every pothead I know is just obnoxious as fuck to be around. They don't follow through on anything, act retarded socially, and just bring nothing to the table. Unless of course you're a pothead yourself - then you don't really notice. Funny how that works.

[–]juunnioorrr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't notice it because that's not who I am lol. I believe that one should have control over all aspects of life and you can choose to live your life as you see fit. I enjoy smoking pot and I do also enjoy being social, gaming women and being a productive member of society. Maybe there is something wrong that I'm ignoring, and you might be right. But from my experience, it hasn't necessarily done anything wrong to me.

[–]NihilistMonkey 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You're not the only one, but you are an outlier. Despite my moderate to heavy use of it I tend to preach against it on TRP, because in my experience most people who smoke the way I do are losers with no future.

[–]juunnioorrr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right and it's the same for me but when I compare myself to other potheads I know, I'm doing wonderful.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm 33 now. Most of my friends have long grown out of their pothead phases. But there's still one who insists on smoking twice a day, every day. It's near impossible to stay friends with him. Still lies, forgets everything, stays in all day, etc. Such a plague.

[–]ThePwnter 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There is a lot of truth in your assessment. In fact it's why successful and rich people only surround themselves with like minded positive people. Sadly your group of friends/contacts play a major role in your station in life.

They can keep you down in the dirt if you let them, but the best move in each upward transition in life, is to leave the old people behind. Because no matter how well meaning they may appear to be, they are ultimately boat anchors in your life.

[–]e4tshit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When ever I tell people how I lost all the weight, all I ever get is awful advice. They start telling me it's bad for me and I'm being unhealthy and giving me advice on what to eat. Half of them are fat. I'm starting to realize they're only telling me what's holding them back. Their reservations.

The last few years I've shed most of my friends. They need you to stay in the box they have you in so when you change it disrupts their idea of you. I think it's better to just cut contact. I realize the only way we could have been friends in the first place is if we similarly broken, it's like a codependency.

Some of the unsolicited advice I've recently received has been breathtakingly arrogant. They see I'm doing something, that it's working for me, then proceed to tell me all the ways it's wrong. I'm at a point now where I think I'll just keep shit to myself.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo 121 points122 points  (8 children)

Agree with OP.

Just as an FYI, this shit is much more prevalent on the internet because it is literally where losers congregate to spew their negativity. I consider myself a mature and intelligent guy, but if you're a young dude and you end up on discussion forums like 4chan or reddit, you can easily get sucked into this type of thinking because this is clearly the "majority" mindset on the internet. On the internet, anybody who is successful or confident is considered an arrogant douchebag, unless they do some grandiose gesture to be nice to the losers.

I saw a post on reddit once where a girl posted a picture of herself when she was fat and then another picture of her when she lost weight. In the after picture, she was really hot, but most of the comments in the thread were just loser dudes saying "she looks like a bitch." Literally A PICTURE OF A HOT GIRL made those dudes just assume she was a bitch and would rudely reject them. There are a lot of toxic people on the internet.

[–]gideon_zotero points points [recovered]

On the internet, anybody who is successful or confident is considered an arrogant douchebag, unless they do some grandiose gesture to be nice to the losers.

Because "winning" is felt for the ingroup non seen by the out groups, from an outsider view, success of a leader of a other tribe is inherently dangerous.

There are a lot of toxic people on the internet.

And on this subreddit. I see a lot of chad-shaming and slut-shaming. If you think hypergamy, marriage or women are bad, it's because your mind is still stuck in the outgroup. You aren't the guy that cucks, you are the cuck.

  • note on marriage: institutionally it is a shit deal, but having a tantrum won't change that. Like with all shit deals, if you are an alpha that owns his shit you shouldn't care. Just don't sign on the dotted line and bang the women that manage to secure the beta bux. You are in the in-group as a red pilled man. Stop thinking like a beta cuck, that's not your tribe. You are winning, and that's ok.

It's like being a middle class art student and then complaining capitalism fucked you over.

[–]twatbutters 6 points7 points  (1 child)

ike with all shit deals, if you are an alpha that owns his shit you shouldn't care.

Bingo. Feminism is a plague, but I couldn't be happier for it. Getting laid has never been easier, and while starting a family in the west will be a bitch, I don't really care as much about it because I am living my life happily as I am.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wait, you like marriage? This is rhetorical because I'm not bothering to reply to anyone, but fucking why? It's a losing proposition from the start, no benefit to the man at all, only risk. All the benefit is for the girl. You're all over the place, about the only thing negative about sluts we say is do not marry or LTR any of them

[–]radioactivities9 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Literally A PICTURE OF A HOT GIRL made those dudes just assume she was a bitch and would rudely reject them.

Both men and women are more likely to attribute negative traits on beautiful women; instead of shy she's snobby, instead of reserved she's 'cold'.

Insecure people 'opt out' psychologically to jusifty their fear of competition and comparison.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

on another forum where I had been active for a while (fashion related) I shared a few things in the off-topic section. Mostly career and success related (money, girls, moving from a deep countryside to a bigger city to Paris to SF to Manhattan). The guys who were losers 5 years ago and who are still losers today blame society for their failure, or their skin color, and tell me my only success was being born out of the right vagina. How I'm not climbing any ladder, I was always up there. Social elites reproduction. Funny thing this internet thing. I'm not active over there anymore.

[–]NotNormal2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

4chan is the worst. Hope the malware fuk 4chan up.

[–]landon042 34 points35 points  (8 children)

money is the root of all evil

"studies show incomes over $60k barely increase happiness after that"

alright, then give me everything you make over 60k :)

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 10 points11 points  (6 children)

I make $90k and still work a 2nd job. I wish it were that easy

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Hmm... Do you have kids or are you married? I make about $50K, but I live with roommates which helps with rent and I'm able to save about 15%. I'm not struggling, but definitely want to be making more. Making $90K would be heaven for me.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No. Single guy unmarried 29 year old. Live in low cost of living area

Trying to get remaining 80k of my student loans paid off in next 2-3 years while also still having somewhat of a life.

[–]landon042 0 points1 point  (3 children)

50k after tax? and what do you do?

I'm really looking into trades because college sounds like hell reading from here and the cost that go with it.

Have you looked into buying a cheap house that you can afford like $125k or less for example so you own something instead of spending on rent year after year?

and what are the most of your other expenses, as a guy living alone it seems like you could be doing very well on 50k but more is better . like you said

I like to know things about how to plan for the future as a young guy

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

50K before taxes. I think I will get a bonus, but nothing is guaranteed. I am 25 years old, turning 26 in the summer. I work in the investment management industry. I majored in finance and accounting in college. I live in the city or a little outside it, so finding something that's a decent commute to work for $125K would be hard. I have thought about it, but it really depends on a bunch of factors.

Depending on if I'm living here or working at my company long term, it might make sense to buy a place of my own, if I can find a good price for it and have enough for a down payment.

I mean I do pretty good. I'm able to save 15% for retirement, contributing the max to Roth IRA and have leftover to save/invest. Should I lose my job or quit, I have a lot in accessible accounts to survive for a number of months. Other expenses besides rent and utilities are things like food/groceries, going out, clothes if I need any, subway/bus any other types of expenses that might come up. Things can add up quickly. I spent some money to tailor some dress shirts I have so they fit better.

From a finance or money perspective, I HIGHLY recommend www.personalcapital.com because it's really good. Link all your bank accounts, investment accounts and credit card accounts. Tracks your income and spending, to show you whether you are spending within your means. You can track how your investments are doing overall, or against the S&P 500. Definitely start investing if you aren't right now. It's very important.

[–]CrispyChicken69 points points [recovered]

Looking at this personalcapital site now, looks pretty interesting. Is it free and how do the bank accounts link together exactly to total net worth and spending habits?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, the platform is free. It works similar to Mint.com, in the sense that you input your log-in information to link the accounts and it will constantly update everything. I personally think it's better than Mint in some aspects and find myself using it more than Mint. All transactions, direct deposit paychecks (income) and all that. Anytime a transaction posts on your credit card, it will update Personal Capital.

It shows you if you are cash flow positive or negative based on how much you are spending and can literally look at it from month to month, to see how you are doing and will let you know if you are spending more or less than you are making, whether over the course of a month or a year. It's a lot easier checking that, then using an excel spreadsheet to budget everything. Highly recommend it. It keeps track of everything in regards to net worth, transactions and how your investments are doing. You have nothing to lose signing up for it and they have a mobile app you can use with it.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (5 children)

This is the big reason why you STFU about your goals. Not only do you give yourself a dopamene rush, the same rush that you'd get by doing them. It's also that people will talk you out of it. Not because they want to see you fail, they don't want to consider that they failed by not trying.

Besides, they won't help you, they can't, so why bother talking?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

EXACTLY. I don't tell my friends about my financial/career and investment goals. I just go out and do it. I don't feel a need to tell people my goals because I'm not doing it for them, I'm doing it for myself.

You are definitely right. If you tell a friend of yours who isn't in shape about how you want to lose weight, while he/she might be supportive, there are many times the friend will try to hold you down to make themselves feel better about their own choices.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Well, to ammend. I do have one friend I talk to about this, and he does to me.

The both of us are only talking about the future, holding each other to task, and pushing each other to succeed. We even pit our SO's against each other, as bragging rights. One got 6 figure salary, the other gets free flights for life. One got on in a fortune 500, the other got a request to lecture at Harvard.

When you can be comfortable competing with a friend, you both actually align with each other, in a way few can. They want to see their adversary succeed, no one wants a shitty comrade.

Definitely rare.

[–]AladdinHussein 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's almost as if there are good people out there that want to see you succeed.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You have to foster them, by being the same for them. It's not easy either. Know how hard it is to find someone who is 'in it to win it' and have common ground to build comradare with?

[–]TunedtoPerfection 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly, no one gives a fuck about what your "going to do". Show them what you did then you can talk.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 28 points29 points  (17 children)

I am 6 feet tall.

Bulked from 150 to 172 the past 4 months, over 15% body fat

Now I have started my cut for the summer to get back to the 10-12% range.

Skinny fats and outright fats at my work are giving me a hard time for cutting, because they still think I am skinny and need to eat a cheeseburger. Then they say the "dad bod" is in right now. We had a cookout at work last week and they were basically trying to shove that food down my throat.

[–]twatbutters 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Then they say the "dad bod" is in right now.

Yeah, it's "in" for fat dudes who get occasional starfish sex from their post-wall wives, who've never felt the pleasure of being a guy who gets his pick of women.

[–]JohnnyRubicon points points [recovered]

You must have worked real hard to get your SMV to a point where you get your pick of women. Major props, man.

[–]twatbutters 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Used to be a fatty up until my sophomore year of undergrad, but a few major life events happened and I turned that shit around. Best decision in my life. I can personally attest to the 80-20 rule that people talk about on TRP-- Tinder in particular is great for this, as long as you post the right pictures.

[–]JohnnyRubicon points points [recovered]

Lost a bunch of weight myself, but I think I need to drop some more because I'm not getting the attention I want. I'd say I'm between 15 - 20% body fat.

[–]twatbutters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try to hit 10-12%, that's the golden range for me. Also, if you don't have muscle beneath, it's pointless to have a low bf%-- you'll just be scrawny which is hardly a step up from being fat.

[–]Enlightened_Chimp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Work is the worst place for crab in a bucket mentality. For a lot of us, working that desk job is a starter job but a lot of the people there have already given up on life and accepted their life-long fate as an entry level desk jockey and will try to shame you for succeeding. It's disgusting how many fat ppl roam around cubicles in US offices. Every time I go there it's more inspiration to work hard so I can get the hell out of there.

[–]reesechocolates 0 points1 point  (0 children)

congrats bro keep plugging away and laugh in their faces.

[–]calloberjig -1 points0 points  (9 children)

172 at six feet is still skinny as fuck lift harder

[–]CrispyChicken69 points points [recovered]

This is a pretty dumb statement. Chicks prefer lean and ripped over big and bulky any day- 6 foot and 172 at a low body fat is fine for the beach and realistically if your maxing out your frame (150 to 172) getting an extra more 10-15lbs is going to be alot of extra work that could be better spent elsewhere. I could be wrong but where are those extra 10-15lbs gonna go? arms?

[–]calloberjig 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I am the same height and when I got down to 172 I was ~10%.

Looking back this is waaaay too small. I'm now at 190 and ~15% starting a cut/leangains. And I am no where near my goals.

So if he is at 15% same height and weight he isn't hitting the compounds hard enough, so my advice remains: Lift harder and eat like a beast. There should be no problem putting on at least another 10lbs this way even with the ectomorph thing going on.

And no, he won't find that for his arms. Large muscle groups: legs, back, core which are all engaged by the compound lifts. But you already know that.

He should not be starving himself

[–]ACE-JHN 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Both of my friends are 6ft, 170 at 8-10% bf. They look decently big, main thing being wearing fitted t shirts and tanks often. If you think you look small at 172 10% you are not a legit 10% bf many people underestimate their bodyfat. Check out the bodyfat levels video by vitruvianphysique.

[–]calloberjig 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Normally I wouldn't bother but you've taken the time to reply to a 13 day old thread so I'll bite. Haven't seen vitruvian before. Good resource, cheers.

Me when I was 172lbs. Small as fuck. See if we agree on BF%

[–]ACE-JHN 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No problem. I think you are definitely around 10% that's my fault. Keep Killin in. I'm on my first cut and got down to 165 from 210 and realized I have no muscle mass and now have to lean bulk for a while (6 months) so I can cut again. Makes me realize I need to be at least 175 - 180 lean to look like I lift in a t-shirt. Major respect for posting a pic.

[–]calloberjig 1 point2 points  (1 child)

All good. Congrats on shedding all that weight (mostly fat I'm guessing), now just eat a lot of healthy food and hit the compounds hard!

We're gonna make it

[–]ACE-JHN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On a reverse diet (Layne norton's popularized it), then maintain and then back it cutting again. Full body has been working well for me.

[–]TheGameJerk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm 5'11" and 172 was when I looked in the mirror and said I needed to bulk. It's very skinny.

[–]lIlIIIlll 28 points29 points  (2 children)

do pointless shit like read a dumb fucking book

Hey fuck you, books are awesome.

[–]SpaceFunkyMonkey 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Indeed they are. Theodore Roosevelt, role model for the stoic red pillers, was a huge book reader and a pretty badass person.

OP, you really lost it on the book hating.

Edit: syntax

[–]lIlIIIlll 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's like OP took all the bad parts of epicurianism and blended it with an inferiority complex.

[–]AnjaJutta 22 points23 points  (2 children)

A few years ago when I started my diet my housemate would periodically buy a shit-ton of oreos and Pepperidge farm cookies and scatter them around the kitchen. Once he realised it didn't affect my resolution he started lifting with me.

[–]Cesare_MA points points [recovered]

I don't understand why you'd pay money to fuck someone else's fitness up, especially someone you have nothing against.

[–]AnjaJutta 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He always said it was "a joke" or "unintentional" e.t.c but one drunken night he told me it was because my changing my diet and lifestyle made him "feel like a shit lazy subhuman" his own words. So there, you have it. Crab bucket mentality in full colorful display.

[–]decadentwesternperv 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Almost entirely agree, but

pointless shit like reading a dumb fucking book

Excuse me, I'll get back to reading your post as soon I'm done laughing my literate ass off

[–]epistemic_humility 3 points4 points  (3 children)

exactly. I was relatively on board until the book hate.

What's up with that OP. There really is a ton to gain from spending time with books of all stripes and genres.

I've never finished a book and said 'yep, that was a waste of time, what a dumb fucking book'.

[–]Arabian_Wolf 0 points1 point  (2 children)

For me reading quality books like 48 laws of power and NMMNG (finished half of it), totally changed my outlook in life, be it in politics, social or personal, and that's only from two books.

Quality, self-improvement books are the sum of true, past experiences.

After NMMNG perhaps I'll read The Prince.

[–]epistemic_humility 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The Prince is a good one.

The Obstacle is the way may be more applicable

Then read

The impact of the highly improbable


Homo Deus

Thinking fast and slow

Be obsessed or be average

The charisma myth

So many more...

[–]Arabian_Wolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have saved your comments, so many books to read and learn from.

[–]Eastuss points points [recovered]

Why DJ on the weekends?

I swear to god if had to lift everytime I heard someone telling "I'm a DJ" I would be arnold motherfucking schwarzenigger.

[–]Billee_Boyee 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I used to call my self 'DJ NotaDJ'. I'd go to raves and tell people to be sure to catch my set later, then later, (without playing any sets) I'd ask them how they liked my show. Even got myself onto a few bills as I was friends with the event producers. But the joke got old fast, once people caught on that being a dick was my entire contribution.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree with this, although I'd be a weekend-DJ if I had enjoyed trying it when I was hanging with a few half talented guys :) Easy money, free parties, when you're done you can either GTFO and sleep or enjoy the social life (cough afterparty groupies cough) it brings without even trying.

[–]SoulRedemption 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I will have to disagree on the fact that you say "vast majority of people in TRP" acts like what you have pointed out in each section.

I've hardly heard TRP say those things except a few, which I feel like you have taken out of context.


Yes - there is more to life than just money or materialistic things, we all know this. But we also know that money gives us independence to a degree. You chase what you want to chase in your life.

TRP at times may have a crabs in a Bucket mentality but not in the way you describe. If you see people like that on here, it means they probably haven't fully internalised TRP or is still in the process of swallowing it. But I'd have to disagree with the bulk of your opinion on this post.

[–]Heathcliff-- points points [recovered]

"Why read a book, it's for losers. You should waste your time desperately trying to be 18 again and base your whole life around pussy instead."

While you're right about a lot of it, you're just as guilty of it too.

People all want to live their lives differently and think that their way is the true way and they have figured it out, so they preach in order to reinforce to themselves that they are the ones living the good life.

Eventually, pussy becomes so boring and overabundant that the thought of moving to a different city or investing hours each day to get laid becomes ridiculous. Pussy isn't that great, orgasms aren't that important, cumming isn't so special. Sometimes, I literally would just prefer to sit at home and read a good book.

[–]radioactivities9 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It's a rare person who is content with having lots of sex as a 'hobby' or in the absence of love. The latter is more difficult and it is scary and risky.

Pursuing sex has an opportunity cost too, and that is the cost people balance/rationalize more than others in everyday life, often subconsciously.

Does anyone ever regret time spent on a good book of their choice? They can be more life-changing than sexual experiences.

[–]jm51 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Once had me a nympho gf. Stuff of dreams right? Long short, I wasn't enough, she had another bf and we worked shift about, every other night. Much as I liked fucking her, my nights off were like heaven. There is more to this world than sex. Insignificant things like ...sleep.

[–]radioactivities9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

anything in excess can make someone lose their mind.

[–]1cloudmax40 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Started figuring out who my real friends were when some of them figured out what a typical salary is for me and tried to talk me out of being in the industry I'm in all-together --- tried to tell me I needed a "lifestyle change", not helpful at all.

[–]chakijz 12 points13 points  (3 children)

This is why you should never disclose your salary to anyone. I guess it's different when they find out on their own though.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Exactly. Nothing good comes from telling people how much you make or how much money you have. Two scenarios happen:

If you make more: They might start acting bitter and jealous towards you, or try to take advantage of you.

If you make less: They might act all arrogant and superior to you.

It's a no win situation.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 6 points7 points  (0 children)


"How much do you make?"

Enough to pay my bills and maybe have a little fun here and there

"What do you do for work?"

Secret Agent or some extremely over simplified explaination of what you do that sounds like a toddler can do it.

"Do you enjoy it / is it hard work/etc?"

It pays the bills and I don't hate myself at the end of the day or something similar.

Remember if you just absolutely have to talk about this stuff with people make it vague, make it funny, make it quick. Most importantly don't "show off" how awesome your job really is people get defensive and think your bragging. Has nothing to do with what your say or how you say it. If you don't feel exactly the same way about your awesome career as they do about their shit McJob they never developed the skills to leave, your an asshole or it because of luck or some sort of ethic/gender/social group privilege.

[–]simplisticallysimple 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Pfft, people on the internet are by and large harmless: just ignore them. It's people close to you that'll really bring you down -- friends, family members, LTRs, etc. You just need to cut them off once they start hampering your success.

[–]TheRedStoic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

People hate seeing their own potential in a mirror. They just do.

It's easier to bitch and whine than take a hard look at what you could be and ask yourself where have I failed.

Great post bro. Keep crushing. Ignore the crabs, eventually they'll be on your dinner plate. You'll think of them as nothing more than an entree.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This strikes a chord with me quite well. Growing up, I was basically an Omega male: no friends, scrawny, wore glasses, got bullied occasionally, played WoW, porn addict, etc. Once I hit age 18, I finally said "Fuck this life!" and decided to turn my life around. Now I am 22 and things keep getting better for me: will have two bachelor's degrees in marketable fields in two semesters, am physically fit, dress sharp every day, won Toastmasters competitions in my city, developed an expertise in golf and have no trouble getting dates with boner-test-passing ladies. Even though I still have a long way to go and have a lot to learn, my family and former friends exhibit this crabs in a bucket mentality towards me.

A couple of examples: * "People die from exercising like that." Said by my out-of-shape brother who also dresses poorly and hardly takes care of his health. * "Why do you want to go to college? You already make enough money at your work." Said by my friend who, now in retrospect, only wanted me around so he could look good in comparison. My job at the time was a food joint that paid minimum wage. * "You should not be with a girl that young. She's also white." Said by my sister when she found out I went on a date with an 18 year-old girl blonde girl. However, she was in a LTR with a man who was seven years older than her. * "Stip going to the goddamn gym! You are not going to eat salad at our family reunion; you make everybody uncomfortable." Said by my mother who is on two different medications and doesn't care for her health very much.

You would think that these people closest to you, especially family, would be glad that you're pulling yourself out of a shithole, but it's hardly ever the case. It is like you are expected to continue being this Beta bitch boy so that they can feel better about themselves when around you. Fuck, that, shit.

[–]TheEndlessRoadAhead 4 points5 points  (1 child)

My point here being, given that we have a diverse group on TRP, this is a polarizing subject. To see the ethnic guy get hot blondes is success in eyes of TRP, it something a lot don't want to see whether it is white nationalists or self-defeatist ethnic guys that don't want to see their fellow ethnic men get the kinds of women they know they cannot get.

"Yeah Imma just let this one group come over and fuck all my women. I will then proceed to congratulate them, because hey, TRP. And also I'm alpha as fuck."

This is what happens when a beta or even omega tricks himself into thinking he's alpha.

TRP is actually filled with literal cucks.

[–]greatslyfer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you don't mind it then when ethnic guys complain about you guys discussing on how to get with asian chicks and latinas yea?

[–]TheWhiskeyTickler 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The ones you don't expect are your friends. "What do you mean you are going to the gym instead of coming out for wings and beer?!?! Fag! Probably gonna blow a dude in the locker room!" Or my favorite "you don't play call of duty any more? Whatever queer, we're gonna smoke a blunt and play some duty."

You expect it from the haters but not from your boys.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dude... The amount of shit and messages that flooded my inbox the day I quit wow was out of this world.

I sadly enough was a pretty big part of my guild when I did.

I was literally told there was nothing out here in the real world for a guy like me and I would be much better dumping more endless hours collecting a bunch of programmed pixels until the end of time.

It was an eye opener and at that time I didn't even know about TRP

[–]BargainBinBoyfriend 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It strikes me as asinine that somehow it's considered great for those alpha from a young age to be alpha, but anyone trying to improve to one is laughable and fake. We're not trying to fake alpha; we're trying to improve to alpha. And you know damn well those crabs pulling us down would improve in the same way if it was easy enough to match their level of willigness to expend energy.

It's awesome to be at a place here where we're trying to escape the bucket, while also helping to pull our RP brethren up with us.

[–]Roaring40sUK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The antedote to all this is simple - be a man apart.

Develop youir own ideas based on actually going out into the world and finding out for yourself.

If you want to be top 5% or whatever, get used to this. If you want to one of 5 men out of 100, the maths tells you, that you are more likely right now, to be surrounded by the 95%.

[–]sj2k 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The recent Joe Rogan podcast with Jordan B Peterson touches on some of the ways society tries to shame excellence.

A lot of these detractors are simply people who can't compete in the sexual marketplace / power hierarchy

[–]another-white-male 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I agree with you buddy, but stay within your race

[–]letjustbagemntagem[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

no, people will fuck who they want but you can stay within your own family because your parents obviously did dumbfuck

[–]another-white-male 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That might be true if I was arab

[–]ppvknifefight -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nah, let that man sample some ethnic puss.

[–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Almost everyone you know and love is against you on some front. As the great comedian Bill Hicks said even hot friends will christen your dumpster.

[–]SouloftheVoid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree, especially the first point. It fucking disgusts me how they are trying to build up these ham planets as beautiful with the likes of Amy Schumer, who is nauseating. We need to body shame MORE, at least for anyone in the overweight and obese BMIs. There is no excuse not to exercise, you fat fucks!

[–]TALzFGxawb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

on the money thing: i think people interpret/repeat good advice in a vapid uninformed way. you don't need to be rich, and it's a stupid goal to be rich

money is great. money is a tool to gain power and freedom, though. it's not a good end goal. you should be thinking of the things money will allow you to do (or not do), not the objects you'll buy (unless those objects let you do things you want to do). eyes on the prize

travel, time/resources for side projects, and even just keeping debt collectors off your ass, are examples of good reasons to get more dollars

[–]Snooze212 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With the whole 10/10 girl one, I actually try to stay away from the average looking girls and tend to go for the girls I do think are way up there, that's just me and my high standards though - I also tend to find the extremely good looking girls are easy to talk to because they're already confident within themselves and don't actually get approached that often in comparison to your 6/7s. Don't get me wrong, I still approach the average looking girls for warmups, but I save the very best looking girls for when I'm in that good state, because 9/10 times they're also in that good state and it's a great interaction and there have been times where it had lead to other things.

They look scary as fuck because they are 10/10, but the majority of them are really nice girls.

[–]KIaptrap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is summed up easier.

"Everyone wants you to do well of course. Nobody wants you to do better."

[–]TRPBackpacker points points [recovered]

I thought this is a given. Shitty people don't want you to succeed, but successful ones don't want to help you either because we don't want more competition.

Speaking of competition, I've been seeing a lot of failed application of TRP recently in real world. It means that TRP is spreading further than we think and that a lot of you are using it wrong. If you are fat, ibitiated kino and don't get the girl to kino back, move on to the next target. Do not escalate the kino to more intimate parts of the girl. I got feedbacks from these girl's friends and they were creeped out.

Also, negging means you mix in the compliments from time to time as well as makibg it funny. It does not mean outright insults of their intelligence, lack of father or too many sexual partners.

I for one do not give out all my tricks here and I am very open about it. The only real reason a successful ones will help you out is if it benefits them. We are all out looking for our own self interest.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

"but successful ones don't want to help you either because we don't want more competition." i think that's a shitty crab in a bucket mentality.

I want competition for 2 reasons.

  1. depending on the cause it bring more people to be aware of it which can lead to further success.
  2. other successful people means i have to up my game, or gives me a different perspective or exposes me to different tools to add to my toolbox on how to be successful.

unfortunately not everyone see it that way. They act like my success would take away from theirs (same mentality as a crab in bucket) but it wont.

[–]TRPBackpacker points points [recovered]

Nah, if you are already successful, nothing I can do about it, i won't try to drag you down. I just won't help you if you are struggling. It's not crab bucket, not actively dragging you down.

Might be just me, since the corporate mentality is deeply ingrained in me. If your coworker is digging his grave, let him.

Anecdotal evidence says ppl here are out to help everyone. Since information is freely shared. I can only speak for myself that I don't share my most prime knowledge.

I come from a cynical period of PUA and when David DeAngelo first combined PUA with marketing, from knowledges I gained from one of the female presenters in his workshops whom I know intimately. It was a well oiled money making machine targeting lonely betas and promising women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Crabs in a bucket is such a pathetic mentality, that I can't respect any man who acts like this.

Am I jealous of a man who has a better social life, makes more money, travels more, or sleeps with more women than me? DEFINITELY, but I use that as motivation to improve my life and to take steps towards that.

I mean of course I'm jealous of the VP in my company making a six figure salary. But I use that as motivation to look at what he or she did to get there and try to mirror that success. THAT is why men and people in general should do. Look at people who are more successful than them and use that as motivation. Nothing wrong with jealousy or envy, if you use it to motivate yourself to improve your life.

Being jealous and bitter about, like this crabs in a bucket mentality is pathetic.

[–]twatbutters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The worst is getting shit during your daily grind when improving yourself. I look back at myself 3 years ago and I looked totally different, in a worse way-- had I not adhered to strict diet plans and workout regimens, I'd still be there. The family members and "friends" pulling me down haven't changed one bit-- this is why they're stuck in a shitty place.

[–]greatman05 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In September 2016, after quitting a shitty job, I decided to take lifting seriously for about a month and a half with Stronglifts 5x5.

Mind you, I was already athletic before I did Stronglifts (I had taken college gym courses, weightlifted for about 8 months or so after taking a welightlifting class, and I had rode my bike for at least 5-10 miles a day while commuting to school).

After about a month and a half, I went from somewhat skinny-fat to toned again (still around 120-130lbs @ 5'8"). I posted a shirtless results pic on Facebook.

39 likes, mostly from females.

Within a week or two, all of the following happens:

  • One of my former acquaintances asks me for lifting advice, and during the conversation tries to neg my advice while pointing out scientific articles that have next to nothing to do with the advice I'm giving him. He then posts a pic of himself shortly after I posted mine (About 10 likes, simply a face and hair pic).
  • Another acquaintance had spazzed out from the day before simply because I teased him a bit about being short (he's 5'7"); he pretty much said that because I wasn't eating enough I wouldn't accomplish any of my goals and then called me an idiot. I haven't heard from him since.
  • Yet another acquaintance (very loose, since we never hung out in person) decided to de-friend me over a relatively harmless Facebook comment.

I stopped using Facebook for much of anything besides re-blogging porn for the past 6 months or so; I'll more than likely use it again once I get up to 140LBS or so (I have hovered around 120-130LBS since I was 13).

As someone with moderate clinical depression, it was hard for me to stay "in my frame" and I slipped off of my bandwagon for at least 3 months while dealing with a major depressive episode (which spurred me to quit Facebook at least temporarily).

After getting a new job and jumping into 5/3/1, I've been making gains and progress towards my lifting goals. Unfortunately, with next to no friends besides a friend I haven't seen in several months since I told them about my new job (including salary), it's been a lonely road with what looks to be no immediate payoff anytime soon.

Still, lifting helps me refocus my extreme anger into something positive after a hard day where I feel like punching several of the people I work with in the face repeatedly until they stop moving.

[–]Need2LickMuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess I'm slightly unique in this aspect. I'm doing poor in life (like, really poor) and my buddy is doing fantastic. Not once have I been jealous of him, or wanting him to fail, or even subtly telling him he can't do shit with himself.

I mean, I may be upset that I'm not as far along as he is, but definitely not upset by him succeeding in life and making a better life for himself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is on point. I would say in general, the overarching psychology behind this is that MOST people you come across in life are only really concerned with what you can do/provide for them. When they see you improving your value (which occurs in so many ways), there is an underlying fear inside of them that you will leave them behind - in other words, they can no longer "get" from you, like they have in the past.

Additionally, when we improve ourselves in the midst of people who are stuck in routine and mediocrity, it really puts life's cards on the table for them to see what they aren't doing in life. This can make people feel insecure and jealous.

[–]BigMawsmidget 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really besides the reading part about books being stoopid. Which I don't agree with everything else said is on point. I get it the most from family as I hang around them to much, but I'm kicking my improvement into high gear, and now that it's happened I see some of this a lot in more subtle ways.

Whatever you got to do fight through or power through it, and the advice of surrounding yourself with like minded people. So far I only have 1 friend who's like that, and my advice is keep people like that very close.

[–]fuck_da_haes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where the hell do you get people (crabs) like that? Either I live in some RedPill fantasy world, or Im really fucking lucky about people in my social and professional circles ...

[–]maggieG42 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I really do not get why people do that. A person achieving their goals does not stop another person from achieving theirs.

But your right unfortunately there are many people who try and pull people down when they seem to be achieving something. Sad really.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A form of jealousy really. You're human and so are they. They don't want to hear about what you're doing to better yourself because their conscious self will let them know that they can do it too. It's mostly the case if that person thinks they are equal or better than you. If they view you already as being better than themselves they'll leach onto you and try to vicariously live through you.

A few posts up saw someone saw this is really common in school. Well guess what, it's almost inescapable in a corporate setting.

[–]CrispyChicken69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post sir, seems to be especially true in a school/classroom setting

[–]greatslyfer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only "evil douchebags" get hot girls and most hot girls "aren't worth the effort"

I'm starting to get this now. It's basically male hamstering whenever a guy is pursuing a girl you like, right? The guy isn't actually a douche, yeah he may be loud/obnoxious in order to get the girl's attention, but hey at least he's putting effort in to talk to the girl and create something, while you're sitting there salty/bitter that you don't have success with her right?
The reason he becomes a "douche" in your eyes is because you're trying to invalidate his effort needed to be confident and game this girl that you fancy, which you clearly didn't put in and are salty. Then the hot girl becomes someone who isn't "worth the effort" and then you start exaggerating/make up negative qualities that she has so that in your mind it's ok that you don't get her.

Hamstering is a dangerous thing man, it can stop people from becoming something they WISH they could become.

[–]FurrowBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love this post. You have to learn how low quality people think in order to understand what they're doing. It's a projection of their own insecurities onto you when they say "hot girls are shitty", or "rich people are scum". They're unhappy with their own mediocrity and by urging you to choose the same lifestyle, they feel less shitty about their own lifestyle. Remember: Misery loves company.

However, I have to disagree about the reading books part being framed as a bad thing (unless you're talking exclusively fiction). Fiction is good to read every now and then but reading non fiction is a very good way to bolster your intelligence. I would never frame that as a bad thing.

[–]dumpthepump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dear sweet mother of god, this is by far the absolute saddest post I have ever seen on the internet in my entire life.

Do you guys want to know how to really get women & have an interesting life or would you rather waste your time trying this ludicrous snapback-hat version of self-help bullshit that you culled from posts written by clueless morons?

I post as an adult man who has been wildly successful in taking women to bed (I lost count around the 80 mark).

I mean, if you actually want help, I am more than willing to explain how I have been getting laid since I was 14; but if you're only interested in shit talking and seeking approval from other dudes; I have nothing to offer you.

[–]nyjl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the points in last two categories were insanely retarded and juvenile.

[–]KCMOVIEBUFF -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How the FUCK is this post in the Red Pill Example category??? I'm fucking sick of wasting my fucking time reading posts obviously incorrect in their categorization.

This is not an example, it's theory. Jesus fucking Christ.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's totally what you do that defines you, career-wise and all.

The well educated person with successful career, man or woman, will significantly receive more compliments and admiration. Meanwhile, on the internet, all you get is sob stories for upvotes and circlejerking of memepics depicting people as "we are all insecure", "nobody knows what they're doing in life, it's not just you", "we all have our ups and downs".

Fuck no. The man who has his ducks in the row considers "down" to be "missing a reservation to a restaurant" or "missing a flight". The man on the internet who broad brushes with "everyone has ups and downs" considers "down" to be "I failed in my uni", "my bitch dumped me", "I cannot get a job".

Everything is relative means that not all good things and bad things are made equal, but let's just omit that so we can make a point that "no one's perfect", to make the person who can't afford to even buy a new shirt feel like the one who can buy a dozen whenever he wants "has also his own problems" in order to make himself feel good about his situation.

Now that's a pill hard to swallow.