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Women have been engineered by evolution to love a man that 1. is capable of killing things, 2. will do so for her. How to adapt to this and profit in the sexual marketplace. (self.TheRedPill)

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Woman want, in a man, strength and love.

Strength is the ability to kill animals and other men.

Love is the willingness to do so for her.

Without strength, the love of a man is worthless to a woman. See: beta male with oneitis. Without love, the strength of a man is at best useless (fuckboy) and at worst dangerous (rapist).

This is why "women want to make a bad boy good." The bad boy vaguely exhibits strength, and making him good makes that strength useful to her. (Men want to make a good girl bad because that's what smart gene selection / replication looks like.)

Perhaps due to our highly comfortable and feminized society, men do not struggle to experience love. They struggle to cultivate strength. That's why beta males are common and alpha males are not. It's also arguable that nature designed the majority of men to be thirsty betas who will serve with the hopes of getting some sexual scraps at the end of the day, while alpha males lead and impregnate abundantly.

This is why TRP emphasizes cultivating strength more than love, though I'd opine that the manosphere should address also how to better love women--from a place of strength rather than weakness.

Physical size and muscularity are obvious signs of strength worth obtaining for the purpose of attracting women, but strength has psychological manifestations which are--I'd venture--equally important.

Not-giving-a-fuck communicates a sense of security and strength which is highly attractive to females. In a large, muscular man, NGAF presents a series of stimuli to women that invokes a strong attraction. So much so, in fact, that boys will idolize that combination. See: action figures and super heroes.

Women give men shit tests to test their psychological strength--the kind of strength that isn't immediately physically apparent. Ignoring, laughing at, or immediately punishing women for shit tests communicates strength.

Men with money, power, and fame exhibit signs of an advanced form of strength--influence over other men--that is even more attractive to females than the ability to kill things. A female that is loved by a man who has power over other men will survive and reproduce. (Sadly, women will still shit test these men unnecessarily per their psychoevolutionary instincts.)

Women have an ability to discern weakness in men that is highly advanced and which they themselves do not understand. This is why it is important for men who want female attraction to cultivate actual strength rather than to merely mimmick external signs of strength (though mimmicking does work to a degree and helps men transition from weak states to strong states). To the NoFap crowd here: A spike in testosterone and dopamine will influence tiny aspects of your behavior which are subconsciously noticeable to women. This explains why female attention and attraction increases, seemingly inexplicably, while on NoFap.

If you want to date young women--aged 18 to 21, say--it's important to cultivate obvious and primitive forms of strength and to regulate the amount of love that you give them. This is because young women haven't learned the life lessons that make them more consciously search for a partner with certain traits that are advantageous to their modern, complicated life. Rather, they are driven by instinct. They want a lot of strength and are so aggressive in their screening against weakness that they'll often interpret the love that you give them as actual weakness. Being the genetic prize that they are, and being dumb as rocks, they subconsciously crave to pass on the highest quality genes available rather than actually find a beneficial partner (which, if they found, they'd reject). They want to fuck the hot, confident guy.

Dating women in their late 20s and 30s often requires you to navigate a labyrnth of emotional baggage (created by modern social ills and the general hardship of life) that creates unwanted negativity and boundaries which you must dismantle. I recommend treading lightly here. It's probably preferable to instead make a nubile, psychologically fresh young woman fall in love with you by being physically and psychologically strong and giving her an amount and kind of love that suggests to her that she's lucky to get it and better continue to earn it by being good to you.

TL;DR: Cultivate physical and emotional strength that women will be instinctively and subconsciously compelled to want to use to their reproductive advantage--by fucking you.


[–]SirAttackHelicopter 170 points171 points  (53 children)

Don't believe in the whole metro-sexual-man-is-the-most-attractive bullshit we are seeing in modern society. This modern politically correct society run by feminists is literally killing off men. Literally. They want all men to be females. They want to remove alpha type behaviors from the norm so that their special chads can remain rare and special to them.

There was a post a week ago on showerthoughts where a kid said "I am told by grandmas that I'm attractive, but I am told by girls my age that I'm not." Well this issue is a simple one: Your mommy and daddy enabled you to stay childish, markers that grandparents use to determine attractiveness. But girls look for more mature and alpha type guys as markers they find attractive for mates. Obviously these two views are opposing.

[–]lukin4truble 125 points126 points  (7 children)

Truth. My aunt tells me this all the time. Every time I come up to visit she gives me shit about my beard. "Oh you look like a terrorist. I hate your beard, it's so gross."

Well, I ain't tryina to smash you aunty.

[–]SgtDowns 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Uhh... Do other women like your beard? Just cuz your aunt hates it doesn't mean others don't. Just a thought.

[–]YDdraig 38 points39 points  (3 children)

I just grew a badass viking beard and it definitely polarizes girls. Some hate it, but the ones who are into it will obsess over it. It draws attention while out and gets compliments from random men and women. It makes it much easier to game girls who are into a bearded man.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Can confirm. I never had a viking beard, but the ones that like my beard, fucking love my beard. Last plate I just nexted would go on and on and on about that beard tho'.

[–]twatbutters 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's fine and all, but you might have better success in the SMP by not trying something so gimmicky. The essentials work for good reasons-- be well groomed (shaved/trimmed show good jawlines well), lift (obvious), and dress well.

Unless they're small and well kept, beards don't jive well with young pussies, so I tend to avoid them in general.

[–]YDdraig 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There's nothing gimmicky about a good beard. And if you don't have a good jawline there's not a lot of other options.

[–]RPgolf123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if you aren't attractive facially grow a beard, if you are keep stubble

[–]Landry86 63 points64 points  (12 children)

Yes, thank you. I live in the south where this isn't as much of a problem. But I'm appalled at men's attire whenever I travel up north. They dress (and act) so gay. I can't even tell which are gay and which are not.

And now we have jumpers for men. Just shoot me.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (1 child)

I have no problem with this. Let all the men turn gay, more women for me.

[–]angstrem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not how it works I guess. Better you yourself turn alpha.

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUs 36 points37 points  (7 children)

No region is immune. When I travel in the south, I'm struck by how fat and out of shape many men are compared to what I'm used to where I live.

[–]Landry86 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Yes that is definitely true. The south is way fatter, however, there are ways to avoid all the fatties as well as other lesser-quality individuals. I live in a small Louisiana city, and here we have an "in crowd". The in-crowd of any town can turn a seemingly average town into heaven because you get to hang out with all the cool kids (high quality people). Outsiders include sluts, liberals, cucks, and people from out of town. There are also few fat people in an in-crowd. Most are very good looking, successful, and well-dressed.

It sort of reminds me of Roosh V's article discussing the mid-west:

http://www.returnofkings.com/80133/10-things-i-learned-from-touring-the-american-midwest

Here, he states: "The best strategy here is to have a lot of friends and date the women in your social circle. Without a social circle in the Midwest, you’re a bit screwed when it comes to landing the best women"

Women in a southern "in crowd" are expected to be very thin. They are brought up this way. When I was a little girl I remember my grandfather telling me to "never get seconds" at dinner or else I will get fat. It sure paid off!

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Thing is, I'm having trouble building a social circle in the south. What would you advise doing? I'm not super isolated but it is difficult because you dont know who is cool and who isnt.

[–]Landry86 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Funny because I'm drafting up an article about all this for my blog... First and foremost research research research the heck out of your town's culture. And observe people from a distance like a scientist. You must learn their mannerisms and you must learn to speak their language. NEVER come off as rude anywhere at any time. You are held accountable for everything you say and do in a small town. Word gets around FAST. For the same reason, try not to get too drunk or anything like that.

What is the town known for? What football team does your town follow? What is its driving industry? Do people hunt and fish a lot? What are the local festivals? Stalk attractive people on Facebook. Scroll through their photos. Where do they hang out? Where do they go for holidays? The fourth is coming up and that's an excellent opportunity. I remember when I first moved to my town I mistakenly thought all the cool people went into town for the fourth, but it turns out they all go west to camps/private parties. How would I ever have known that unless I networked like crazy? Just be very friendly and make friends with as many other men as possible. Don't go for the women first. Big mistake. If you start dating a girl from the in-crowd and y'all get in a fight it's like sudden death and you can never go back.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Great advice, thanks man. I will apply all of this.

[–]1theoctopuss 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where I'm from (Northern New Jersey, close to NYC), the men can dress nice and still beat the fuck out of someone

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Don't believe in the whole metro-sexual-man-is-the-most-attractive bullshit we are seeing in modern society.

Apart from the fact that only a fraction of men who are both lithe and handsome enough can pull it off. Everyone else is better off cultivating his masculinity.

[–]Landry86 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Feminine women aren't attracted to metro.

The feminist "you go girl" career-oriented women are.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 3 points4 points  (1 child)

For the vast majority of men, it's of no importance whether metro is sexy to the woman in question or not, because they look retarded with that look either way.

Every guy who is willing to put in the work can look like a biker or lumberjack or whatever. But not every guy can look like a bishonen.

[–]Landry86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get what you're saying but any lumber jack or a sexy one? They vary, lumberjacks do...

[–]Hector_Castillo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Feminine women aren't attracted to metro.

You don't spend a lot of time around naturals, do you?

[–]Landry86 1 point2 points  (1 child)

if by naturals, you mean Tinder dates, certainly not

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 1 point2 points  (16 children)

But can u explain this to me? So this feminist society is turning people into a bunch of beta males, i get that because we have soft values etc, but why do women like this if they get turned on by alphas and DO NOT want that type of man that we have and if they are AWARE that they dont want that type of man?

[–]SocietalEngineering 4 points5 points  (12 children)

It's because each individual woman wants an alpha for herself. They know that an Alpha won't listen to a woman's command anyway - at least the strongest ones won't. So they actively command men to be beta, with complete genuineness, so that they can find the one who won't obey. The one that won't obey is the Alpha, and that's who gets to have sex with her.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 2 points3 points  (11 children)

Hmm, to me that make it seem like its more of a shittest rather than the fact they want alot of beta men?

[–]SocietalEngineering 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Yep, exactly. It's just a shit test. They of course don't have the foresight to realize that if the trend continues, there will be hardly any alpha males left and the competition with other women will only get fiercer.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Ok so they do not want beta males, but they are doing this as a way of seperating alphas from betas. But one thing i wonder, a shit test, is that something girls/women do subconsciously? Like is she aware that a test is taking place now, or is it happening out of sheer instinct?

[–]SocietalEngineering 2 points3 points  (8 children)

No, she won't be aware of her own shittests - its complete instinct, unless the girl is somehow redpilled and is aware of what's going on (Rare, but not impossible).

I'll give you a couple of examples - I do a lot of online dating. On the second or third date, girls will almost always ask me about my social circle in some way. They phrase it very casually, like "so..what do you like to do with your friends?" Or even a more direct "tell me about your friends".

I pass the test by telling a story about how I was the "leader" in some way. That's all. She is just shittesting me to flip on her own "leader of men" switch (pulling from the Mystery Method here).

They have no interest hearing about my friends. This is a pure shittest. Now, they don't know this. They think they are just making conversation. But if you answer that question wrong, she will all of a sudden feel way less attracted to you, and not know why.

Another one is they will ask me is "what I'm looking for". (As in, do I want a relationship or just a fuck). The correct answer must be something commitment-oriented, or they will ghost you. Even something like "I'm looking for a genuine connection" will get you a pass. Probably about 90% of women ask this, and the question is complete bullshit. They do not actually care about the answer to the question, really. They only want to see that you have enough social sense to answer the question correctly. I have found that women who absolutely insisted that they "only want a relationship" were actually total whores. It's just a shittest, it's total nonsense.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Thanks for giving me such a thorough answer. Just gonna dwell with the redpilled thing - What if SHE IS aware of this? Will her game be different? Will she shittest more or less? Im also curious as to how you said you were the leader of the group, like in what way did you say you were the leader? And how is that gonna look in LTR if she gets to see the friend group and you dont actually seem to be the leader, youll lose frame? Regarding Mystery Method is it worth it? I really cant tell whats broscience and whats factualities out there, i just stick to TRP.

I wonder, if they dont care about the answer, how will they even know what the right answer is? Like I just dont see how "im looking for a genuine connection" will work over any other response (cant really think of an example here to make a case).

Sorry for all the questions, lol.

[–]SocietalEngineering 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Lol no problem, happy to help.

Just gonna dwell with the redpilled thing - What if SHE IS aware of this? Will her game be different? Will she shittest more or less?

If she is aware of her own game? Honestly I have no clue. This is really just theoretical for me, as I have never gamed a woman who also knew game.

But if I had to theorize, I would say that she will shittest way more. WAY more. Shittesting helps her avoid low-value males, and to determine whether the guy she is talking to is alpha (for sex only) or beta (for relationship only).

Men run game because they see a girl that they like. Women run game (shittest) to see if they are even attracted to you. Men are attracted to physical beauty, women are attracted to mental strength and social aptitude. I can look at a girl and determine if her ass is fat enough for my tastes. Women can't see a man's attractiveness without testing them first.

Im also curious as to how you said you were the leader of the group, like in what way did you say you were the leader?

I have a whole ton of stories like this that I keep in mind just in case, but for an example - When I was in college, I built my social group from nothing. I took a few kids that didn't know each other, and I brought them together using alcohol, parties, food, Netflix, and Mario Kart. I controlled the alcohol. I controlled the transportation (I was the only one that had a car), I was the one that got everyone out of their dorm rooms to come party, I was the one that organized eating together, I was the one that pulled people away from their studies to go out and talk to girls. So I just talk about specific instances of that happening.

"Hey that reminds me of this one time when my buddies all wanted to stay inside and play Mario Kart, but I forced everyone out to go to the bar and hit on chicks. My one friend got so wasted that he threw up on the girl that he was hitting on. He was so embarrassed, but I talked him through it and he somehow still managed to get laid."

Some bullshit like that. You just need to prove that you can lead other men.

And how is that gonna look in LTR if she gets to see the friend group and you dont actually seem to be the leader, youll lose frame?

Yes, if you lie about it and enter a LTR, she will be massively unattracted to you when she finds out. Your best bet is to actually be a leader, then tell the truth. But to be honest, even in an LTR, you can keep girls going for a long time with just stories, pictures, social media influence, and the like.

Regarding Mystery Method is it worth it? I really cant tell whats broscience and whats factualities out there, i just stick to TRP.

I love Mystery Method, but I will give out the disclaimer that it was written before TRP existed, and is actually a slightly different school of thought than what you will find here. Pick up artistry (PUA) is similar, but not the same as TRP technology. You could call PUA a forerunner to TRP. It has a ton of good stuff, but executing it will be difficult unless you are already redpilled and have your shit together to some degree. Also it involves a lot of just making shit up, which I don't condone and has (thankfully) fallen out of vogue in the manosphere.

I really cant tell whats broscience and whats factualities out there, i just stick to TRP.

I totally get you, I had this problem also. There is a lot of blue pill whiners and purple pill guys out there just trying to make a buck. One source I will recommend is a book called "Think and get Laid". The title is a gimmick, but it has some really legit stuff in there, and it was the first book to teach me that male/female attraction is based on polarity - that is, making her more feminine and making yourself more masculine is what builds attraction. Everything else in PUA and TRP is just based on that.

I wonder, if they dont care about the answer, how will they even know what the right answer is?

They don't care about the answer in that they have an ulterior motive for asking you the question. They care more about how you answer the question than what you say exactly. At the end of your response, they aren't going to go "oh, that's interesting, I'll remember that bit of information for later". They are going to say either "pass" or "fail". Men genuinely care about the answers to their questions - woman only care if the answer falls into the "pass" or "fail" categories.

Like I just dont see how "im looking for a genuine connection" will work over any other response (cant really think of an example here to make a case).

I could've said, "I really am just looking for physical intimacy." This is an insta-fail, even if they also are only looking for physical intimacy. If you say this, you will have activated the famous "anti-slut defense" and so be disqualified.

Another disqualifying answer to that question is "I want to find my princess, to love and hold forever until the end of time, who I can work for and worship until the end of my days."

That sort of a beta answer will turn her off so fast that she will want nothing to do with you.

See, she isn't asking to find out the answer because she is genuinely interested, she is just asking to test you.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Awesome. So you were actually leading that group? Its not just something you made up for the sake of it? Yeah by looking at PUA and stuff like that some of it does seem like broscience, i also watched Tylor picking up "an alpha chick" on youtube idk if uve seen that, but i cant tell if hes actually correct or not, but he does mention points about leading and the importance of alpha traits and that stuff. I dont know if i fully understand what bluepill and redpill is in every context, can you maybe explain this to me better? If some1 is bluepill is he just like unaware of the reality? If some1 is redpilled hes aware of how the game works and women seek alphas and leaders and confidence and that stuff? or how should i make sense of it? So like can you specify what you mean exactly when you say a blue pill whiner and purple pill guy. And how would you define TRP if you were to? An eye opener? Who is behind the theories and what goes to the sidebar and stuff? Is it just peoples own ideas of the game? Also, why is it good that it has fallen out of vogue in the manosphere this PUA thing why would u care about that. I get the part about "looking for a genuine connection" its just that that sort of answer seems so generic and boring to me, no1 would reveal their real agenda by saying "im only looking to bang". Its just weird for me that she is actively, and conscious about it, asking you a question but only really interpreting the answer subconsciously?

[–]Landry86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think they actually DO like it. I think they just want the beta male for financial security and to pose with them in Facebook photos to show everyone what a cute life they have together

[–]SirAttackHelicopter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sry for the late reply.

This is simple, really. Women get bombarded by horny guys every moment of every day. So how do they filter out their ideal mate? They setup a framework where only the few best survive and become 'worthy'. Women instantly destroy weak men. Women want a world where they can control everything, and turn the failed men into cash cows without a backbone to stand on. And the guys who stand up to them are of higher status and viewed as alpha. It is all a part of their filtering mechanism to find their ideal mate.

[–]RPthrowaway_007 points points [recovered]

I'm so confused by this (not saying it's not true what is happening). Wouldn't they want as many alphas as possible out there?

[–]blackedoutfast 11 points12 points  (1 child)

no when women say ridiculous stuff like this, part of it is because they're trying to make it easier to identify the true alphas. if a women says "ooooh muscles are gross i really want a guy with a dad-bod" then some of the gullible beta males who might have been working out will stop lifting and get fat because they think that's what women want. but the natural alpha guys who are shredded because of awesome genetics (and the RP guys who lift and know not to listen to women) will just ignore the dumb dad-bod BS and stay shredded.

the other part of it is that when women start talking about what they like or what men should do, they aren't giving advice to unattractive men on how to become sexy. their advice is directed toward men they already see as sexy trying to push them toward relationships. so when a woman says something like "i wish guys were nicer and more in touch with their emotions" she isn't saying that if unattractive omega male losers will be attractive if they start being nice and emotional. what she is really thinking about are all the attractive players and fuckboys who are pumping and dumping or having one night stands. they want those sexy guys to be nicer and start being more like boyfriend material.

[–]SocietalEngineering 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This comment is fucking legit. Screenshotting this shit.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In a democracy, the dumber and weaker the populace is, the greater need they will have for government. Stupidity and weakness is good for the growth of the government.

Or, if you prefer,

Global elites have a vested interest in promoting a culture in the west which in all ways weakens it's citizens. Progressivism generally is literally an intentional ideological poison created by elites that stand to gain from making women less feminine and men less masculine--destroying the family. They profit naturally in the ensuing social wreckage and decay that occurs.

[–]SirAttackHelicopter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it's all a part of their filtering process. Everyone knows alphas are not common. They want alpha mates. If they deem you as non-alpha, you'll NEVER be dating material to them, ever. They need to filter and destroy non alphas. Some women marry non-alphas not because they want to, but because they have the urge to simply reproduce, and are willing to settle. Some women stick to their guns and never find their alpha, and end up focusing on a career and end up with a midlife crisis in their 30s.

[–]Hector_Castillo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

They want all men to be females

No, they're testing men to see IF these men will transform into females and they will love it if they do, because that's one more orbiter, supporter, and "man" who has screened himself out. Intel and army-conversion all in one nice, streamlined process called "the test."

Same outcome, but a motivation so vastly different, it is part of another dimension. Women love seeing weak men die off, but they're not hoping for it. Women are brutal as fuck, but they're not evil (that's only the hardcore feminists who want to take out their failures as women on any man they can). Nuance, dude.

[–]Flozilla22 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I liked the way you phrased this.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 50 points51 points  (24 children)

Women have been engineered by evolution to love a man that ....

Women do not love men in the way men expect to be loved (Rollo).

Female love is more about need and what she receives than it is about what she does.

Let's not all start to think "if I become a man capable of killing anything in my path" that women will love you. They won't. They'll be attracted, but women do not love in the way men expect to be loved. It is not in their nature.

This is because young women haven't learned the life lessons that make them more consciously search for a partner with certain traits that are advantageous to their modern, complicated life. Rather, they are driven by instinct. They want a lot of strength and are so aggressive in their screening against weakness that they'll often interpret the love that you give them as actual weakness. Being the genetic prize that they are, and being dumb as rocks, they subconsciously crave to pass on the highest quality genes available rather than actually find a beneficial partner (which, if they found, they'd reject). They want to fuck the hot, confident guy.

Also, they are supported by parents, friends, and a social system that revolves around them. They have utterly no need for a provider - they already have parents and daddy-government to tend to her every need, so she prioritises hot sex and why shouldn't she if you think about it. Take away any form of morality, and you'll see how unappealing a beta is to the things she cares about: hot sex, muscles, and making her friends jealous.

Dating women in their late 20s and 30s often requires you to navigate a labyrnth of emotional baggage (created by modern social ills and the general hardship of life)

The emotional baggage is created much more by her entitlement and how good life is than its minor hardships. If she was hungry most of the time and couldn't read feminist articles on jezebel, she'd be MUCH easier to date.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 31 points32 points  (10 children)

making her friends jealous.

This is the big one right here--everything else (the amount of muscle mass you have, the "costume" you wear etc) follows on from this.

Do you look like the guy that, when she shows a picture of you to all her girlfriends the next day, she'll make them jealous? If so, you get the sex. If not, you don't. It really is that simple.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 30 points31 points  (8 children)

Do you look like the guy that, when she shows a picture of you to all her girlfriends the next day, she'll make them jealous? If so, you get the sex. If not, you don't. It really is that simple.

They are herd creatures. If the herd wants you, the whole herd wants you. If the herd agrees you are not worthy, noone in the herd will want you.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 20 points21 points  (7 children)

Yep. Great example for you: my best friend's a stripper, lot of her friends are strippers, she's had this one bad boy dude in and out of her life for the past 6 years now, and only JUST recently did she discover that (surprise surprise) the bad boy dude had hooked up with pretty much all of her friends over the past few years, whenever she and the guy were "on a break" (which happened like every few weeks).

I laughed when I heard this and was like "Well what do you expect, you think he's hot, so of course all your friends are gonna think he's hot too, sounds pretty straightforward to me." Naturally, she wasn't having it.

It always blows my mind, really, womankind's general incapacity for linear thinking. Like, any guy will think: OK, I'm dating an extremely attractive woman, I personally find her extremely attractive, therefore OTHER men will find her extremely attractive TOO, thus I need to calibrate my life accordingly.

But with women it's like: I'm dating a super hot dude, I think he's just oh-so-super-hot, aaaaaaaand--that's where the logic stops. That crucial next step of "And therefore other girls will want him as well" just never seems to compute.

BONUS: the girl (my BFF the stripper) recently snatched a dude (another one) away from one of her female stripper friends (who I know as well). Guy was engaged to the other girl / stripper, jumped ship and traded up to my friend the hotter stripper (she's the Queen Bee of her social circle). My friend, obviously, sees NO problem at all in snatching her friend's boyfriend / fiance (and she's not even exclusive with the guy, that's the best part). But then when she finds out that her on-again-off-again dude of many years hooked up with all her friends (when they weren't even together!!): TOTAL CHAOS.

I think there's a reality show in here somewhere.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It always blows my mind, really, womankind's general incapacity for linear thinking

haha I knowwwwwwwwwww.

It's like they have this awesome intuition for emotions, and male intentions, and understanding instinctively value, and the SMP and everyone's SMV.

But can do ZERO logical reasoning with it. Like, ZERO. They like guys their friends like, but can't spot that it's therefore a terrible idea to say how much they like a guy and have their friends steal him.

Like, any guy will think: OK, I'm dating an extremely attractive woman, I personally find her extremely attractive, therefore OTHER men will find her extremely attractive TOO, thus I need to calibrate my life accordingly.

Right. If I've got an in with a hot girl, I'm not going to tell all my friends to go talk to her.

But with women it's like: I'm dating a super hot dude, I think he's just oh-so-super-hot, aaaaaaaand--that's where the logic stops. That crucial next step of "And therefore other girls will want him as well" just never seems to compute.

It's bizarre the things they miss.

BONUS: the girl (my BFF the stripper) recently snatched a dude (another one) away from one of her female stripper friends (who I know as well). Guy was engaged to the other girl / stripper, jumped ship and traded up to my friend the hotter stripper (she's the Queen Bee of her social circle). My friend, obviously, sees NO problem at all in snatching her friend's boyfriend / fiance (and she's not even exclusive with the guy, that's the best part). But then when she finds out that her on-again-off-again dude of many years hooked up with all her friends (when they weren't even together!!): TOTAL CHAOS.

haha that's just hypocrisy.

I think there's a reality show in here somewhere.

A stripper reality show would be AWESOME. I bet they all have such crazy melodramatic lives. TV gold right there.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is totally legit. Women circle the wagons, some adhere to the script, but the queen bees justify breaking their OWN RULES all the time. "Don't fuck any of my friends, ever" but then they'll gladly ride your bro all day long and say "oh it was ok, I checked with so and so" who was his ex, and her friend.

[–]IckyStickyPoo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

But with women it's like: I'm dating a super hot dude, I think he's just oh-so-super-hot, aaaaaaaand--that's where the logic stops. That crucial next step of "And therefore other girls will want him as well" just never seems to compute.

Do men seriously think women don't make that connection? Or is this just some kind of weird locker room 'ha ha women are dumb' talk? Genuine question.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women DON'T make that connection. Period. I'm 41, I've known thousands of women in my life (and dated hundreds), and I've never seen it, not once. Nor do I expect to. Ever.

Women go after the hot alpha bad boy ("Bless their hearts...", as a country-raised girlfriend of mine used to say), and often they get him (always for no-strings-attached casual sex, never for actual commitment), but then they're shocked when they find out said bad boy is continuing to have sex with other women (alphas keep harems, that's one of the "tells" that makes them alpha).

Guy friends will occasionally point this out, like "Well look hon, YOU found the guy attractive, and you had sex with him right away, so, the logic of the situation dictates that, because all women find the same thing / person attractive, OTHER women will find him attractive too. And they'll have sex with him just as quickly as you did. Right? So he's gonna have sex with lots of women at the same time. And thus you're now a member of his harem, yes...?"

You can point this out over and over again, you can even bring it up BEFORE it happens, and yet, time and again, women are still shocked when it actually does happen. It's funny, and it's sad, and as a guy with a lot of great female friends who really do mean a lot to me I absolutely wish, very much, that I could somehow teach them about this phenomenon, so they could at least make some slightly more educated relationship decisions (basically: "If you think he's hot, and you're fucking him, then other girls think he's hot, and they're fucking him too--you have been warned..."), but regardless of what I say, or what I do, or how carefully I phrase it, or how well I take advantage of these "teachable moments", regardless of HOW MANY TIMES IT HAPPENS, every day, it's like women reset to zero, the past is erased, any lesson that might have been learned is instantly forgotten, and it all starts over yet again.

Great example for you: guy who lives in my building, he's one of the most amazing pick up artists I've ever seen. Good looking Indian dude, wannabe actor, spam approaches women all day long. He sees a woman, he opens her. On the street, walking by, whatever. Opener is always is the same: "I just had to tell you, you're the most beautiful woman I've ever seen in my entire life, and I just had to come over and say Hello." That's it. They chat, he gets a number after a few minutes, and that's that.

So he's been living with his girlfriend for a few years now--she's a model, quite beautiful, comes from a rich family, she takes care of him, she pays for everything (rent, food, all of it). He continues to open (and have sex with) women on the side. Soooo many women, seriously, it boggles the mind. Guy just slays it.

Little while back, we're having a party at his place, someone says something they shouldn't have, and suddenly the girlfriend is crying in the bathroom. Turns out, she (shocker) HAD NO IDEA HE'D EVER HAD SEX WITH OTHER WOMEN. I laughed and laughed and was like, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?? You met your dude through a classic daygame cold approach!! He walked up and used the exact same line on you that he uses on everyone else!! It worked on you, you slept with him a few hours later, so why WOULDN'T he keep fucking OTHER girls using the EXACT same technique??

And she was (seemingly) a pretty smart girl too. It just blows my mind, really, that a girl could have a cool, good looking dude roll up to her, tell her "You're beautiful, amazing" blah blah blah, she fucks him 5 minutes later, and then, at the same time, she's SHOCKED when she finds out he also does this with other women. Like, it worked on her, but somehow she's special, different, it was meant to be, it was Fate, the stars were aligned, they're soulmates, he chose her and no one else, yadda yadda yadda give me a fucking break.

But alas, no matter how many times I've explained this to women, it just doesn't sink in. It doesn't compute. There's something about female biological hardware, it just can't seem to process this kind of phenomenon. Women seem to be incapable of realizing that the same guy, their one special guy, who picked them up so effortlessly and easily, ALSO uses his techniques (the same canned lines over and over) to pick up OTHER girls too.

Ironically, it's this very phenomenon (the maintaining of a harem) that makes the guy so attractive to women in the first place. It's one thing to hear the line from a random guy on the street. It's another thing to hear it from a good looking, cool, confident guy. But when you hear the line from a guy who's ALREADY sleeping with half a dozen chicks at the same time, and he KNOWS, up front, going in, that you're gonna be lucky number 7 in the rotation (because he's done this so many times before, he knows it always works), it's that kind of fearless, God-like confidence that really does women in.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your friend is a stripper, you expect the highest quality of thought from her? I know AWALT applies to some degrees, but this is also a biased sampling.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Thats actually a very bad example as it does the exact opposite of what the other guys suggested happens. What they're saying is that, if you have a group of 7 girls that are really close and are all about gossip bla bla yadda yadda and what not have you, then lets assume that 6 girls in this group consider this particular male attractive, handsome, cute, hot then NATURALLY what will happen is that the 7th girl subconsciously, incapable of thinking independently, will consider this guy to have higher sexual market value because she doesnt have to do the judging - and because she will be approved by the group if she got with him because its considered a good pickup. And thats despite the fact she probably wouldnt think as highly of him if she were to judge him isolated alone.

In your example with the stripper it's actually the entire opposite of the point being made here, because your stripper independently considered this guy hot and attractive and one she would be with and as you explained it DID NOT need the approval of the group.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My first point was simply that, if you have one guy and he's having sex with one girl, and then the rest of that girl's female friends meet him (the rest of her peer group), they're all gonna wanna have sex with him too, as he's now "pre-approved" (we talk about pre-selection here on TRP all the time).

Likewise if you have a guy who is NOT having sex with one particular girl (in a group), and then the guy meets the rest of her friends, as soon as all the friends find out that Girl X isn't having sex with him (has never, and will never), then he's "out", done--there must be something wrong with him, else Girl X would have already hooked up with him by now.

Female taste is EXTREMELY uniform. Us guys, some of us like taller girls, some more petite, some more pale, some more earthy, some like blondes, others brunettes, some like 'em shy and quiet, others like them loud and brassy, it totally varies from guy to guy. Girls, however, all like pretty much the exact same thing, so once you have that "look" (that of "the cool boyfriend"), after that it's just "OK, did one of us fuck him? If so, he's approved, and now we all have to fuck him. Oh wait, no one fucked him?? Well then I guess there's something wrong with him, pass the memo around, NOBODY FUCK THIS GUY." Believe me, I've been on both sides of that fence many, many times.

Re: the second point, it was less about peer approval (which my friend obviously didn't have) and more about the hypocritical nature of women in general--a woman has no problem pilfering her bestie's boyfriend for herself, but then, at the same time, screaming bloody murder when one of her NON-EXCLUSIVE dudes hooks up with her girlfriends (during a time when they weren't even speaking in the first place).

But yeah, bringing it back to sexual strategy (what we're all here for), when in doubt, be assured: if you've hooked up with a girl, and then you meet one of her female friends, your odds of then hooking up with her (the friend) increase astronomically, as you're now carrying the stamp of approval (bonus points for you if she tells her friend what an asshole you were to her). At the same time, realize: if you have a female friend who actually is JUST A FRIEND, your odds of getting with one of her friends is now EXTREMELY LOW, just because her friend will be like "Well, if he's so great, why isn't my girlfriend hooking up with him??"

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. Thats why sometimes unattractive guys become attractive (because of the perception of the group) and how an attractive guy can become unattractive (because of the perception of the group). Its pretty similar to the circlejerking on reddit, where a lackluster post (and here im not talking about memes) will get upvoted and actual insight can get downvoted.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 0 points1 point  (8 children)

But that really doesnt explain why women are attracted to wealth, unless that wealth symbolizes "succes" or whatever attributes, but i mean many women target men because of the materialistic outcome they get.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Women are attracted to wealth probably for two different reasons.

  1. They consciously understand that they can benefit from being around it / using it.

  2. The unconscious attraction to both the strength required in the man to obtain that wealth and the strength which that wealth provides that man.

[–]slay_it_forward 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They are attracted to wealth because it will make them rich! Lol pretty fucking simple.

Money does not make them wet! Jesus I thought AF/BB was common knowledge here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are attracted to wealth because it will make them rich! Lol pretty fucking simple

Many women are attracted to wealth when they know that they're not actually going to get any of it. Reasons for this may include

  • Social status of being associated with money, success
  • Attraction to the the character and intelligence of someone who's successful
  • Subconscious attraction to resources despite consciously knowing she wont get any of it

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Wouldnt that make a beta male attractive in the eyes of a female on both a conscious and subconscious level? Assuming the beta is wealthy and will pamper her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Really fascinating question actually.

Consciously, sure. Women who want to settle down consciously seek a provider. Obvious enough.

Subconsciously--the domain of sexual arousal--I think women are designed to mate with the conqueror, not the settler. Remember that sexual attraction isn't based on "is this guy going to provide for us?" but a deeply subconscious "what sperm will create the strongest (including smartest) offspring?"

This may have to do with the fact(?) that much of our sexual attraction neurochemistry evolved long before we were humans.

I'm going out on a pretty shaky limb here.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for ur response any way, sir.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean many women target men because of the materialistic outcome they get

Right. Direct materialism.

[–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are attracted to the money, not the man. That's the whole premise of beta bux. They don't want to fuck that man, unless he's also alpha.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

When I say "women love" I mean "women love in the way that women love" not "women love in the way that men love."

Women love by providing value for value and are constantly seeking to provide less and take more--their instincts are brilliant. Men love by merely providing value--and need to learn to provide strictly value for value. Our instincts seem gynocentric and are probably obsolete.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Our instincts seem gynocentric and are probably obsolete.

Absolutely. We're too open to being manipulated and used.

[–]SLMC1 points points [recovered]

This post has been removed/deleted--I assume by the mods. As an endorsed contributor, do you have any idea why that might be?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's up now.

No idea what happened. Sometimes good articles get caught up in the culling (about half of articles are deleted on sight) and then reinstated upon reconsideration.

[–]brinkleybuzz 22 points23 points  (6 children)

A man who is capable of killing things and will do so specifically for a woman is physically strong but mentally weak, the worst kind of white knight, and the woman ultimately won't respect him because he can be easily manipulated and places her on a pedestal.

It's not just weak betas who have been corrupted by the feminine imperative. There are plenty of men with masculine physical traits who have been convinced to use their strength to promote and protect the feminine imperative, for example, police who will almost always take the side of the woman in a domestic dispute.

They want to fuck the hot, confident guy.

So I would complete this thought this way ... "They want to fuck the hot, confident, masculine guy who puts himself first and chooses to share the benefits of his masculinity with them."

[–]kagetsuki23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ok, let's get real. if your woman have a good behavior and is menaced you have to defend her, it's a matter of pride. because anyone menacing her when she is with you, is disrespecting you and shall be punished.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

A man who is capable of killing things and will do so specifically for a woman is physically strong but mentally weak

I'm not following. Are you suggesting that ancient cave men providing for their families and populating the world with humans were white knights?

Actual modern white knight behavior can't possibly be justified by my post, which merely points out that women are attracted to strength and love because that combination has been useful to them for probably longer than homo sapiens themselves existed.

That said, I would love to kill an animal and feed it to my girlfriend. I think that would be fun.

[–]brinkleybuzz 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Here's the distinction. If you kill an animal because you're hungry and decide to share your meal with a woman to reward good behavior, that's fine. If you kill an animal to get the approval of a woman, that's a problem.

Women are attracted to strong men because they seek to harness masculine power for their benefit. That's the point of your post. However, if a man isn't careful, he can be manipulated so that all of the benefits of his strength and labor accrue to a woman and not to him. If that happens, that woman will suck him dry while looking to branch swing to another masculine host.

So, my point is develop and harness your masculine power for your benefit and not specifically to attract women and share the benefits of your power wisely and judiciously only if a woman earns it.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It is more like this: If a woman isn't giving you sex, don't feed her. But if she gives you whatever a woman can give you, she does it because of acquiring benefit from you for her and her offspring. So in this case, it is natural to protect her.

It's all a transaction if you think about it. You would give your money to a car salesman if he gives you the care, but you wouldn't if he wouldn't give you the car.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bingo. Women love feeling protected by a strong and capable man. Creating this emotion in women generates a strong bond in her that you can only destroy later if you break frame or otherwise stop being strong and capable in her eyes.

If you want a girl to stick around, respect you, and fuck you endlessly, create this bond.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he can be manipulated so that all of the benefits of his strength and labor accrue to a woman and not to him

What's amazing is that most women will do this without even knowing it. They're simply programmed to. Which is important to note, because "society" and "culture" gets a lot of shit on this subreddit, when in reality I think the dynamics are ultimately psychoevolutionary.

[–]rogacrat 89 points90 points  (20 children)

No emotions. Be a bulldozer of life. There's no need to even be angry - simply destroy the people and bullshit in your way like you would mow the lawn. Strength is get the fuck out of my way and, if you are pretty, young and fertile, and wish to do so, you too can view life from my life-master vehicle cockpit.

[–]tchoob 39 points40 points  (10 children)

You'd think at some point a subreddit full of people who have problems with women would realize that what they're doing doesn't work.

If you're actively trying to act like you're from Fight Club, the autism might be why you can't talk to girls.

[–]Cloughtower 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yes, I find it so typical of these posts to paint a facade of what makes a man and talk about the why as it relates to evolution, but not the why as it relates to that man in particular. He did mention that women notice the fakes though. What drives women crazy is a good job, being seen as a leader in social and professional circles, ambition, self actualization, human emotion, kino, a bit of mystery, and being smartly dressed.

Acting like an ape and constantly negging and passing shit tests isn't going to get you laid nearly as often.

[–]easternrogue 7 points8 points  (4 children)

What do you mean. Let's assume someone acts like he's from Fight Club. IRL, that would mean:

  • being physically fit
  • taking up boxing/mma
  • having a squad of wingmen

Profit??

[–]pmmedenver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For real, dawg. Men like that drive women crazy.

[–]JorixKienu 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What do you mean. Let's assume someone acts like he's from Fight Club. IRL, that would mean:

  • being physically fit
  • taking up boxing/mma
  • having a squad of wingmen

Profit??

When you say "Flight Club", do you mean the film / book, right?

I'm asking this because (if we are talking about that) it seems to me that you missed the main point.

Seriously do you think that Fight Club most important point is about physical fitness and boxing and wingmen???

Don't take offense but, how hold are you? ( I mean old experience wise, not in mere years of existence )

[–]easternrogue 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That was a tongue-in-cheek comment and, for the record, I am probably older than you.

[–]JorixKienu -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That was a tongue-in-cheek comment and, for the record, I am probably older than you.

So you are aware that there's more but you throw a silly justification ( just in case).

For the record : I you may be older than me ( I don't think so but it is still possible) but you look surely much younger than me. You look young like a high school Chad ( more or less). Sure you do grow up after that period?

[–]pmmedenver 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I am so sick of losers overusing the word autism. That word used to mean something. Go back to where you came from: this sub is about helping boys become men, not stroking your own dick.

And who the fuck says this theory doesn't work?

[–]Shaman6624 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So how do you attract girls and how much succes do you have with your way to do it?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Thing is, without emotions, how do you pick a way or bother to move at all ->mgtow/depression phase ...

[–]rogacrat 8 points9 points  (1 child)

No emotions doesn't mean "no drive/ no sexual energy" or conquering. To me it just means I cut my emotions off at a shallow part of the pool. Hungry, horny, pain, severe sleep deprivation. I will not ignore those - they could be telling me something very important.

I just have no time to for weepy, mopey, sappy or any other of the no fight and the mental dwarfs.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's what I meant, what does one wish to conquer if you label anything past need for food and sleep as weepy and mopy? "Mental dwars", the irony...

Erthian is closer to the solution. Emotions as in past the bottom of the "pyramid of needs". You just wrote that being an animal suffices. And yes, were're animals, but this, emotions, is about the "ought", not "is".

[–]xRedStaRx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Depression <-> Motivation Stoicim <-> Emotion

[–]erthian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We have emotions, we just don't apply them to obstacles.

[–]xxspiralxx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've always said to all of my friends, women are just jumping from boat to boat. YOU'RE THE BOAT. So make sure it's a Yacht.

[–]AnythingForSuccess points points [recovered]

Looks like you talk the talk (like 99% of TRP), but do you actually walk the walk? Give examples of how you've put this in action or else this is just fantasising.

[–]easternrogue 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Literally everything is in this post is spot on and 100% RP. We need more posters like you.

[–]Boxkatze 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Nice post. It all comes back to being a leader. Women want someone who can lead them. Even men want someone who can lead them. If you eventually have a family then you're going to be expected to lead them.

[–]JackGetsIt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed but most people will never mention this or in the case of women often actively deny they need or want this. Which is almost always just a standard shit test.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Agree with the post but disagree on the fuck boy being useless. Fuck boy is basically the same as alpha fucks. The term was used by women to take back the power of sleeping around/one night stands

Make no mistake, being a fuck boy is a good thing

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Good point. Being a fuckboy is fun for a time but it's not an efficient sexual strategy in my opinion. Simple literal penis in vagina action--and the "chase"--is only exciting for a short time. Anywhere from a year to 5. What you want is a female that meets your needs and wants steadily, like a well oiled machine, for months or years on end.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Agree, even though this sub shits on relationships so much it is critical if you ever want to lead a family unit and have kids.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I don't want a family but I like my LTR because of the ease of sex. I basically don't know what it's like to not have unlimited sex anymore.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

True, definitely one of the best benefits of a LTR. The drawback is you have no incentive to improve yourself (which I'm guessing isn't a problem though if you are on this sub). Keep doing interesting hobbies, keep improving, keep working out, etc. and if you can bring your LTR along then even better.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of the reasons my LTR likes me is because I'm constantly improving myself. Buddhist monks are one of the most aggressively self-improvement-seeking people in the world and they're celibate. I don't really see the connection.

[–]yomo86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would whole-heartily agree, except our legal system and the accompanying social norms are so far off the original script of be a successful based alpha and the happy family unit will come in perpetuity that a family is simply not feasible. Now we see the change as governments and the media get the willies as men stay away from both and boycott subconsciously and individualistically LTRs and marriage. Many BP acquaintances of mine are either single or in a LTR with no intentions of marrying after they tasted life with a full wallet over the age of 35.

[–]xMusclebeard points points [recovered]

Agreed on everything here. I think I've really gotten there recently and I'm finding that I'm a bit of a social nuke.. NGAF + Nofap + good genes has given me the ability to create attraction very quickly and dominate social interactions, literally bending reality to my whim. And it's all because of frame and lifting.. the area I live in is so beta that it's like living life on easy mode.

Example: Yesterday I was buying some shorts for the summer, so I walk into a store and pick some out, then head to the change rooms. There were two cute little things back there and one of them was acting up and dancing a little. When she saw me she quickly stopped and the two split so she could do her job. I walked up and said "Yeah I saw you bustin' a move back here" (insert shit eating grin), she giggles. A minute later I come out to check myself out in the mirror and we flirt a little bit when she asks me how it fits, and I'm watching her watch me in my peripheral vision and she's for sure eyefucking me. So I go put my own clothes back on and come out again, she's on the phone. I don't say a word and just walk up to her with a grin and pass her my phone which is on the 'add user' screen on snapchat. "Oh, ok giggle".. she can't get it to work cause she needs to do something on her phone. "Go get your phone". She does. I Added myself, said "Have a good day" and walked away. She snaps me that night and we set a drinks date. Gonna fuck that girl.

[–]Saggre 30 points31 points  (4 children)

And then she handed you a crisp $100 bill.

[–]xMusclebeard points points [recovered]

Nope but I just had a blonde bombshell buy me sushi after a weekend of fucking, haha. Look if I can't brag here then where the fuck can I

[–]Seddit55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Taking on any purple pill mentees ? Ha ha

[–]logicalthinker1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What's this chat snap you youngsters are utilizing?

Seriously though, nice work.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Science has proven that women on birth control are more attracted to younger effeminate men

[–]Redpillwhiterabbit 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Dude, unless you say "science" twice, I can't believe you without a source.

It's interesting, but a VAST majority of women I've "interacted with" at least claimed to be on the pill and most were obviously wet when the strong arm method began... are these just more feminine women? I need data.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Girls love country boys.

Source: country boy living near the city.

[–]XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Be good looking

  2. don't not be good looking.

Girls love a male model in overalls, not hicks.

Not taking away from the fact that you pull though

[–]Mr-Ed209 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent post. If you think of all your interactions with women in terms of showing 'strength' everything makes so much sense. It's something you see people have difficulty in who aren't 'aware'. Why shouldn't I text her back right away?' - because doing so implies you're a weak guy with nothing more important going on.

Nothing is 'confusing' when you understand that principle.

[–]kagetsuki23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

be shredded learn martial arts and be arrogant.

here a good program. do push up, squat and abs at the gym 3 time by week with the objectif to be able to lift 100 kg with your gym progam in the next year after you joint the gym.

go to the pool 2 time by weak to develope you explosive power ( would be really useful for your martial arts) and do the crawl 6 time, you do this for the 2 first years

then the third year you learn tai chi to obtain a defensive martial art , then you learn bresilian jujitsu to obtain a lock martial art. then you learn kick boxing to obtain a striking martial art.

no sport the weekend, your body need to rest.

[–]Je_suis_throwy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Shortest and most to the point Explanation of the SMP Dynamics. Should be Sidebar Material.

[–]xRedStaRx 3 points4 points  (6 children)

What do you mean by

Men want to make a good girl bad

I stopped reading there, but so far, you ain't said anything new.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Man wants a relatively innocent girl to descend into depraved debauchery for him.

He wants a picky girl to choose him, and become his obedient little slut.

[–]xRedStaRx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I definitely want that.

[–]JorixKienu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All true.

And he will call this "true love".

Worth remembering this, as it tends to slip away from any male mind ( even from my mind).

[–]nattyX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man wants a relatively innocent girl to descend into depraved debauchery for him.

He wants a picky girl to choose him, and become his obedient little slut.

Correct. These are the only one's worthy of LTR's.

[–]mushroom_overlord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably means that while men want a woman they can fuck silly, they also want one who isn't a slut that has been fucked silly by thirty other guys. It certainly doesn't apply universally but a lot of societies don't respect promiscuity in women and want them "pure."

[–]brewmastermonk 3 points4 points  (8 children)

The ability to kill shit is only a subset that falls into the category of "can overcome environmental pressures and grow".

[–]xRedStaRx 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Which comes further from a subset under "High testosterone".

The zero node in this tree is ultimatley "Health".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In some environments "can overcome environmental pressures and grow" is determined by testosterone. In others, intelligence will play a greater role. Whether a region has winters or not will largely decide that.

[–]brewmastermonk -1 points0 points  (5 children)

I disagree. I think health just means you're not broken. Not that you know how to grow. There are plenty of lazy and healthy people. And testosterone is ultimately toxic to men. That's one of the reasons we die sooner. Granted success is measured in children made and not in having a long life.

[–]xRedStaRx 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Well, this is where you're wrong.

Health is what ultimately determines your quality of life, and it is, for the most part, genetic.

For any survival and fitness capacity, it ultimately comes down to health. Spilling the concept down, health is what determines your sexual value.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I mean, health is a problematic word to use in this instance because it's most often used to describe merely a lack of diseases or physiological problems, which isn't inherently arousing to women.

The reason why I identified "ability to kill things" as important is because it includes health but also strength, courage, intelligence, etc. Those things go beyond "health" in the conventional modern sense.

[–]xRedStaRx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wasn't talking about health in the 'conventional modern sense'.

Health ultimately determines your strength, courage, intelligence, and virtually every other aspect of your life. If you break down into the most basic of structures, women are attracted to the healthiest male, in all of its definitions.

Viral and bacterial immunity (the conventional modern word) is just ONE indicator of health.

[–]brewmastermonk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I disagree (again). You're quality of life can be high despite poor health. Look at Stephen Hawking. I'm willing to bet he wouldn't trade places with anyone. And again you can be healthy and lazy. And you can survive and thrive despite being sick.

[–]xRedStaRx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look at Stephen Hawking. I'm willing to bet he wouldn't trade places with anyone.

Trust me, he would trade places with any walking healthy male. Money and brains mean nothing with poor health.

And again you can be healthy and lazy. And you can survive and thrive despite being sick.

Of course, you can, but it doesn't contradict what I said.

And 'sickness' is a broad term.

[–]MikeZilla15 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the best, most helpful post I've read on TRP.

[–]G_Petronius points points [recovered]

though I'd opine that the manosphere should address also how to better love women--from a place of strength rather than weakness

Why? for whose benefit?

TRP is about sexual strategy. Strategy implies goals. Here you have a recommendation (learn to love women) but you're not stating goals. Specifically, you're recommending to expend extra efforts in "better loving women", which has obvious advantages for them but not obvious advantages for us. So why should we do it?

You appear to be laboring under the delusion that women will maximally reward Alpha Bucks, a male who is both an alpha and a doting provider. While that is indeed the classic female relationship fantasy, it certainly doesn't imply that it's the most advantageous strategy for men.

An Alpha Bucks approach is useful only, I'd say, for those interested in starting a family. For everyone else, the expenditure of effort, time and resources to maintain the Bucks part of the strategy is a sunk investment with no possible payoff: if you're not hauling it for the long term, there is no point.

t's probably preferable to instead make a nubile, psychologically fresh young woman fall in love with you by being physically and psychologically strong and giving her an amount and kind of love that suggests to her that she's lucky to get it and better continue to earn it by being good to you.

Perhaps, but that is if your goal is to start a family. If it isn't, other strategies are more suited.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Loving a woman from a position of strength--of abundance--has the experience of actual generosity and doesn't involve stressing about what she's thinking.

Loving a woman from a position of weakness--of need--is worse than involuntary celibacy. It's stress-inducing, makes men paranoid about losing their women to the affections of other men, etc.

I think there's a good classic post here that talks about man affections vs boy affections. The former is the way a father loves his daughter, the latter is the way a boy loves his mother. One gives, the other begs. Similar concept.

[–]TheRealYekke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I taught my 19 year old daughter how to shoot everything from 22LR to 308, she's got a .380 so I think that part is covered. Teach a person how to shoot accurately and they don't come to us any more. Seriously guys, I'm going into CCW instruction and the population taking it is 90% women. And I'm happy about it- why? Radical equality. You whined about it, you will now get the training and tools and that big bad world is now yours, I REFUSE to be another disposable male. When gunfire erupts, i draw and egress. Not my problem if you relied on the state, you get to wait for it to show up. Peace thru superior firepower

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 3 points4 points  (14 children)

To the NoFap crowd here: A spike in testosterone and dopamine will influence tiny aspects of your behavior which are subconsciously noticeable to women. This explains why female attention and attraction increases, seemingly inexplicably, while on NoFap.

You had me until you had to come up with the nofap bro-science bullshit. Fapping does not influence t-levels to a point that it is in any way significant. Same goes for dopamine unless you are doing it 20 times a day to tranny midgets.

If you think you got low t, do the only right thing and have your blood work done and proceed from there.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I think there's a huge lack of concrete scientific knowledge regarding what happens to your neurochemistry when semen is retained and you're not edging to high speed internet pornography. I admit to adopting uncertain terms to describe neurochemical phenomena resulting from NoFap.

However, I do believe that NoFap increases both testosterone and dopamine sensitivity. It admittedly is merely a hunch in the absence of concrete data. I could have been safer and merely said "the neurochemical effects of NoFap."

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 0 points1 point  (5 children)

It's not about semen retention specifically. It's about setting your dopamine levels right (porn part) and stopping beating it 2 times a day so your testosterone levels can flourish (orgasm part). Too much ejaculation for a long time messes up testo levels. It's not just bro-science.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (3 children)

There is no scientific evidence for either.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Correct. At least nothing conclusive. But it's not like there are 100 scientists actively trying to determine the effects or benefits of NoFap. Just because science hasn't addressed something doesn't mean that thing is false.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You are either lying or just a lazy fuck. There are studies which adress exactly that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Completely agree that fapping and porn relate to dopamine and orgasm relates to testosterone.

It IS just bro-science though. But bro science can still be true.

[–]7898456 points points [recovered]

You're out right wrong, and here is some non-bro-science to back it up:

On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline ( P < 0.01).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241?dopt=Abstract

That's 50% more. That's not bro-science. Thats common scientific knowledge.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point  (4 children)

[–]7898456 points points [recovered]

From the website you just gave me:

  • It has been seen that after multiple ejaculations a sharp decline in androgen receptors takes place inside the hypothalamus, and not only that, but a sharp increase in estrogen receptors follows as well.

  • Ejaculating to the point of “sexual exhaustion” can make it harder for your body to utilize testosterone.

  • They also quote the same study I just linked.

YMMV. Did you ever try it yourself?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Casually leaving out the parts about masturbation... Everything I expected from a pathetic nofap follower.

[–]7898456 points points [recovered]

That's a shame. I've just realized you don't have good access to your capacity to reason. Discussion over.

[–]Pro_Like_Me 0 points1 point  (4 children)

What happens when women don't give shit tests or stop giving them? Should we be embracing shit tests then and wanting them to a certain degree?

[–]vonrumble 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What's a shot test. Noob here.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

deleted What is this?

[–]Redpillwhiterabbit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's a big bell curve. She either doesn't give a shit any more or you're constantly staying ahead of her expectations (essentially passing tests before she can think to pose them).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And if she doesn't give a shit, you're getting transactional, infrequent sex at best.

[–]pn_me_your_dick 0 points1 point  (4 children)

no its about experince we have overcome evolutionary instincs a long time ago

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Everything you will ever think or do stems from evolutionary instinct.

[–]pn_me_your_dick 0 points1 point  (2 children)

yeah yeah go think women want males who can kill because of evolution bla bla bla

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your incredulity with respect to the relevance of evolution in human mating habits demonstrates a depth of stupidity that is actually fascinating to observe.

[–]FiveStarTendieDinner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The second sentence rings so true. KILL OTHER MEN. Who gives a fuck about self defense? A real man would get away with murder.

[–]unsafeword points points [recovered]

A related observation: Although a woman wants a strong man who loves her, these factors come in order. A woman will pursue a strong man and try to make him love her. She will not remain attracted to a man she regards as a beta though he already loves her. She won't endeavor to make him strong.

A beta who acknowledges attempts at self improvement will be seen as a joke and can expect thinly veiled ridicule and sabotage from all women who know about it. The women around him will regard him as a sort of sad curiosity if he fails, and a grotesque imposter in his early stages of success. Among women, being attached to that would be social poison.

The women who can be brought around by success will change perspective sooner if changes seem magical and without cause. "Late bloomer" is easier to accept than "beta who's trying hard."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, because it's a worthy venture for a female to make a strong and capable man like her. But it's a total dead-end for a female to try to make a weak guy who already likes her, strong.

[–]XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man the thinly veiled ridicule, spot on.

When I was very skinny I remember my ex would giggle when I told her I started lifting weights. Amazing how it all works

[–]Hector_Castillo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The highest lay count natural I know is what you speak of. Big, tough, well-dressed, stoic, and a man who wastes no words (his game consists of light talking, getting her number, then taking her home or to a hotel). 1,000 lays. Dude's quality was average to good.

But the best natural I know, 10 years his junior, but far more deadly, is very, very feminine. Girly body language, perfectly manicured, gorgeous, and not aggressive in the slightest. I saw this guy pull 10's every week. With age, his quality and quantity will massacre the first example.

So the stereotypical "Alpha" descriptions I see in these comments need to be dick-checked by reality.

Strength = frame.

This guy was girly, but holy hell was his frame good. The moment girls acted up, he'd switch from cute and nice to "Lolwut?" in tone, face, and language.

He was also very sexual and romantic. Calling girls his girlfriend (even though he had one and cheated on her relentlessly), making sexual comments, highly complimenting all the women around him, etc.

The only true strength in this world is getting what you want. Some strategies are tried and true (get big, be stoic, etc), but they are not always the most effective.

Y'all sound like herd-animals, regurgitating dogma and lingo in the hopes of upvotes and circle-jerked-orgasms.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like OP says you are best off finding a young un-corrupted girl and slowly molding her to the right attitudes you want her to exhibit instead of trying to date women in their late twenties who are pretty much ruined. It's like running shit on a computer that has dozens of programs installed and never has been cleaned up. Your experience will be anything but smooth.

Also this even extends to younger girls who are in any way affected by their pre or early teen past. Especially those who are indoctrinated by the blue pill. The way things are going right now lots of girls are either getting more nationalistically and/or borderline depending on their life events. So where an older woman might be a hurdle of old skeletons a young girl will be clueless and like OP states, will often screen incorrectly and disregard a guy because they perceive him as weak or inexperienced or anything else.

TRP teaches about female psychology and cultivating strength but in todays fucked up world there are so many facets beyond this. Self hate for example is a huge part of how women deal with themselves nowadays. This is why you see a blonde slightly overweight woman have herself get blacked by 2-4 black guys who seemingly appear to be chosen at random. The young girl seeking an older man that reminds them of their father or the father they never had and so on. These women for whatever reason hate themselves and they get off by revisiting this trauma sexually. There are no passed shit tests of guys with high SMV in these stories. Just some dudes who fit the mold of whatever psychological issues a girl has developed. In fact you can be the most genetically gifted IDGAF alpha jerkboy and you will still be overruled if the girl you are talking to has daddy issues or struggles with a bad self image. That's why we say, don't stick your dick in crazy. The problem is that most women nowadays build up these traumas because family values are crumbling and most women are, lets be honest, very average looking. Which means they will struggle with self image and being rejected at various degrees.

Understanding how every individual woman thinks has become very important. That's why some guys who don't have a hint of Dark Triad inside of them struggle just as much as spergs do at times. They can't follow the pysch train of thought most women go through when it comes to how they deal with men.

[–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But... women love fuckboys and rapists, its why they willingly have sex with them, love is optional.

[–]BoggleWash points points [recovered]

Hahahahahahahaha is this why all of you buy like 40 guns but continue to shovel McDonalds into your digestive systems

Hahahahah this sub is gold