The Mind Fallacy: Change What You Do, Not What You Think (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by G_Petronius

There is an extremely common pitfall to all kinds of self-improvement. Tell me if this sounds familiar:

A guy has an issue with his life. Maybe he's fat. Maybe he's lazy. Maybe he's got no friends. Whatever it is, it irks him. He thinks about it every day. He never seems to be able to overcome it. He reads tons of self-help material, searching for that one piece of advice, that one motivating book, that new mental framework that will finally unlock his potential. At times he feels like he has achieved such an epiphany, only to slide back into his old ways.

This is what I call the Mind Fallacy: the idea that change starts in the mind first, from which action follows.

It seems such a logical idea that it goes basically unquestioned. We are rational creatures, therefore we act on the basis of what we think. If we had the right mental framework, we would take the necessary action. Hence we must seek for the right mental framework.

Yet this doesn't work. People get stuck in a cycle of seeking after epiphanies that never pan out. That's because their model for change, logical as it sounds, is wrong.

Human beings don't change because their mental state has. Their mental state changes because they have. We tend to identify with our minds, but our minds are shaped by the totality of our experiences: we are not just what's in our brains, but more importantly we are what we do.

Going to the gym makes it more likely that you'll keep going to the gym. Why? because far deeper than the conscious level, your brain has stored information regarding benefits to health, self-esteem and other factors. You don't realize this if not in small part, but it happens all the same. Action begets action far more than thinking really hard about wanting to act does.

The Mind Fallacy partly explains the inaction paradox. Many if not most people know what they need to do to change their lives. Spend less. Save more. Dump that asshole. Eat healthy. Get out more. Yet they just plain don't do it. Why? because they focus on changing their mentality and expect action to follow, rather than the other way around; on waiting for an epiphany that will change their behavior, rather than changing their behavior.

What is your practical takeaway? that there is literally, practically, biologically no substitute for action. You won't change your mentality by thinking at it, your brain plain doesn't work like that. You can try for a thousand years and you won't think your way into acting.

Lifting, approaching, handling shit tests the RP way, spinning plates... whatever it is that you never can seem to start doing despite knowing the logical steps to, your problem is almost certainly the Mind Fallacy. Your solution is action.

If you think there are any other intermediate steps that go before Action, you're falling for the Mind Fallacy again. Every time you know what you need to do and the logical steps to it, but find yourself thinking that there are some other steps to take before Action, you're falling for the Mind Fallacy. Snap out of it and act, it's literally the only thing that will work.

Every time you prioritize mentality over action, you're falling for the Mind Fallacy. A shit-ton of self-help books sell you the Mind Fallacy repackaged as advice on "how winners think", because they want you to keep coming back for their next product. The only things you need to effect change are an objective, the logical steps to achieve it and Action. Mentality doesn't enter into it, ever. If you think it does, you're falling for the Mind Fallacy.

[–]AwakenedSovereign 108 points109 points  (2 children)

This should be stickied.. I cannot even begin to explain how long this took for me to understand - because I was raised a beta nerd believing that my 'smart brain' & 'morals' were everything. That I was special because of learning and reading books, and creative thinking, and being a 'thoughtful person' and 'wise, honorable, and kind'.

This goes directly to the dump-alpha-jock stereotype. Alpha is what alpha does. It is the difference between strategy and tactics. The difference between game and frame.

In short, what you DO is all that matters. Your capacity to invoke change, upon the world, and upon yourself. How & why you think, what you feel, etc. can all make a big difference, but as you so astutely observed, what you do informs the way you feel and think.

I submit that this, along with a few related concepts, is is the square root of all things alpha. Every last mote of masculine agency returns to this principle.

"Excellence is never an accident. It is always the result of high intention, intelligent execution, and sincere effort. Choice then - not chance - determines our destiny." ~Aristotle

[–]Thinkingard 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yep. Whenever I feel down about my intelligence and abilities I recall how my brother who is highly intelligent and taught himself how to code as a kid almost starved to death because of his inability to take action and do anything. He is aspergers but it goes to show mind power alone is not enough to survive and thrive.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A bit late to this but I wanted to say thank you. This hit home with me. I've needed to make changes and have fallen into the same loop of epiphanies OP mentioned. I have had a similar mindset, the "being special" because of who I am. It's time to change. It scares the hell out of me.. I've had depression and anxiety which has made things difficult but I've gotta change and the only way for it to happen is through action. Thank you for opening my eyes to that.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 63 points64 points  (35 children)


Game isn't just used on other people.

You also must "Game" yourself.

This means mastery over your emotional "self" programming is more important than intellect.

Real improvement is through emotional awareness, not intellect.


  • You are your own puppy... train it.


[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (24 children)

Its why i laugh when people say trp like its truth...

Trp isnt about what's true, its about whats useful

[–]greatamericancities 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Pragmatism: The usefulness of an idea is what determines it's merit. If an idea works, if it gets results, it is valuable. One should hold ideas that lead to successful outcomes.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 3 points4 points  (17 children)


You can't achieve anything useful until you destroy the myths that prevent you from knowing what is true.

"Kill the Beta"

Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill mythology.

Things like "self mastery" are necessary because without some clue about how emotional programming can create false understanding you can never know about yourself.

Game (the manipulation of other people) is being skilled in knowing what makes other people tick.

Knowing how you tick is how you get results that are useful. (self Game)

The blind and ignorant man just won't get a clue... despite his desire to improve.


The first stage of the Red Pill is "disillusionment" with Blue Pill myths, followed by anger, and then a desire to understand better.


[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (16 children)

Lol. Ive seen you post this often.

Do you just have a chart you copy paste into threads?

[–]NeoreactionSafe 3 points4 points  (11 children)


Which part?

"Kill the Beta" is used often because it's an official Red Pill phrase.


[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 4 points5 points  (10 children)

"Kill the Beta" is used often because it's an official Red Pill phrase.

"Kill the beta" is not an official TRP phrase, stop making stuff up.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

James on the job! Congrats on the endorsement BTW

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (8 children)


No, in fact it is an official Red Pill phrase.

It goes way back... at least three years since I've been involved.


[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 2 points3 points  (7 children)

A quick google on "kill the beta" gives one article with this title from RationalMale as any "official" source.

As far as actual use of the phrase goes - you are the only one that spams it in TRP almost daily.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 6 points7 points  (4 children)


The Rational Male is about as official as it gets.

Oh wait... I guess your ego has determined you are more important now.

I forgot.


[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It's not the first time you took someone's else work and used it in your content.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I love seeing James get pissed at neoreaction lmao. They could be on a sitcom.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not pissed.

He is misguiding TRP readers b/c he bases his content on esoteric conspiracy blogs that offer nothing more than a fear based fantasy.

This is basically BP, the mechanism is the same - obscure reality - only the means are different.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

LMAO, "kill the beta". What so we should kill 80% of male mammals who by virtue of biology and DNA are not perceived as alpha by fertile females who want superior offspring? NRA is clinically insane, he watches Mark Passio and reads Icke, then links it all to TRP sexual strategy and conspiracy theories. He thinks this little paragraph he copies and pastes in at least once a month, is profound. For him it was an epiphany so he thinks he is a prophet revealing secret inner truths to us. The only inner truth is that he has made a false conclusion and confuses it for wisdom

[–]1OneRedYear 7 points8 points  (1 child)

"within" is how that sentence ends. Kill the beta within.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. No need to be so fucking pedantic about it, you're right.

And for me, it's the most important aspect and drives much of my involvement with TRP. I have Beta Bux written all over me. But it's not what I want....nor do I want to prey on women's fantasies in that space (which would be trivial). I could line bitches up from here to the end of the year on match dot com.

Fuck that. TRP (and equally Blackdragon) have shown me better ways to live. Lift, run, martial arts, climbing, lead dancing....I haven't Killed the BetaTM but I've beat the absolute fucking shit out of him.

[–]TruthInArt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But if it works, then doesn't it mean that it is a truth?

[–]VickVaseline 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I am so glad to hear you say this. When I first discovered TRP, I kept asking myself, "I wonder whether all of this is true?"

I was not only curious, but rather desperate at that time. I decided that the only way to determine whether TRP was true was to try it out. After I started to make RP changes and they started working immediately, I again asked myself, "Is this really true?"

My response to myself was, "Whether this is true is irrelevant. It works."

It was the beginning of my journey.

[–]stonepimpletilists points points [recovered]

This is why i know people don't read the sidebar.

If they did, praxeology would be obvious. Still, people keep calling it an ideology, philosophy, or cult.

Imagine mechanics talking about engine repair as a philosophy. That's how retarded it sounds.

[–]VickVaseline 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I was just thinking the same thing after my last post! What if a mechanic spent all his time thinking, "I wonder whether a tune-up is really true?"

I have now made it through all of the sidebar. There really is a lot there if you read all the things linked-to in the sidebar itself. I have also read The Rational Male, The Book of Pook, No More Mr. Nice Guy, and I am now working on When I Say No I Feel Guilty.

[–]mooksterr 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I've started to realize analyze and improve my emotional awareness and it's been crazy how big of a change it makes.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 3 points4 points  (0 children)


Here's a good thing to try.

Pick a routine of yours and change it.

Do something else for a while.

Then switch back.


The ability to "reprogram" yourself is a very rare and important skill.

Be unpredictable... purposely do unexpected things by breaking your routine.


Sometimes after breaking a routine you realize you really don't want to go back to it and this gives you Free Will to choose which way to go without the emotional baggage that creates bias in your decision. If you have already disrupted a routine then you have already achieved the emotional reconfiguration in advance.

Some routines are good... like regular exercise... others are bad.


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Exactly. I know what I need to do....I've thought way too much about it....current game is to drive those thoughts out of my head and just execute. There is always something I can do, at any hour of the day, to advance my Mission.

It is possible to achieve feelings of success by thinking about something.....but they are chimeras, dangerous ones at that. Ditto for taking any sort of pride or ownership in anything any other person does, unless you were instrumental ex. my last girlfriend got into a high end full ride PhD program.....it was her smarts and ability, but my support was instrumental so I can feel good about it.

Living by Red Pilled principles is exhilarating. I have throughly enjoyed Killing the BetaTM . He's not totally dead but has been at very least beat into submission.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 11 points12 points  (6 children)


The "stoic ideal" is to neither be depressed nor react with "false happy feelz" when life throws negative things your way.


  • If life gives you "good results" then that's easy... just enjoy your wins.

  • But if life gives you "bad results" you avoid getting down on yourself as well as "overcompensating" with excessive "happy feelz" that are rooted in denial of the Truth. If things go bad don't be depressed and don't go "gay" in the original meaning of the word. Stay real.


Train your emotions to accept losses objectively and celebrate wins openly.

Celebrate wins, accept losses without a fuss.

Stay real, do not be fake... internally.


[–]Need2LickMuff 4 points5 points  (1 child)

When life gives you "air quotes" use "them" in "abundance".

[–]NeoreactionSafe 13 points14 points  (0 children)


  • Either that or bold statements


...anything that seems good.


[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The "stoic ideal" is to neither be depressed nor react with "false happy feelz" when life throws negative things your way.

I never realized it until now, but I developed a habit of turning every setback in life into a sort of twisted joke in my mind, ie "Oh, the shit just hit the fan? Well of course it did sarcastic laugh"

Thats a really bad habit I need to rein in.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 6 points7 points  (2 children)


It happens... shit happens.

Pain is not something people bear well. When things go badly you can allow the pain to drag you down and in some cases people even amplify the pain to dig themselves even deeper. They create a sort of fetish of their own depression and add to it whenever they have an excuse. The depressed fuel their depression.

But what you are doing it "compensating".

Things go badly and you feel bad so you compensate by pumping up the "happy feelings" and that has the effect of putting you into denial about the source of the pain.

You think to yourself:

"I'm fine, things just went badly, but I'm laughing and pretending to myself that I'm doing just fine."


It's a thing the gay males do a lot... the feminine types.

You see them parading around pretending to be in "high spirits" (that's the original meaning of gay... "high spirits") but it's all a mask, a self deception.

The longer you lie to yourself the more fake you become. The gap between real and fake grows wider.

So if you can "come down to earth" and endure the pain in a stoic way where you don't add to it that's the best way to go.

The goal is to give power to winning experiences and remove power from losing ones.

But I must admit the "happy escapism" is very termpting... it's a quick fix.

Sometimes you can do the "high spirits" reaction then afterwards review in your mind what you did and correct yourself later.

Better to fix it later than push it into denial.

The longer things get submerged and denied the worse things get and the less real of a person you are.


[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You know, this sounds kind of crazy, but I really strongly believe in stoicism now. Its the kind of philosophy to build a life around.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)


It's really one of the two major Red Pill options.


  • Amused Mastery is a stoic acceptance of Natural Laws (things like gender polarity) and the love in living a life that harmonizes with those laws.


  • Psychopathy is the hatred of Natural Laws while being painfuly aware of them. Unlike the beta male who is ignorant of Natural Laws the manipulative psychopath uses the laws to harm others for personal ego based gain. This is heavy on power and control through deception.


So just be aware there are "Dark" and "Light" versions of everything.

We have our fair share of pure Dark Triad Psychopaths in the Red Pill.

The stoic Amused Mastery path is just as valid.


If you were to define the slogan of the Blue Pill beta male it would be:


  • Ignorance is Bliss ("I just want to be happy")


[–]DouglasPR 17 points18 points  (3 children)

unless lotery or heirdom, to build a sucessuful life from scratch takes 10 years, more or less, depending on your country of birth. The sooner you realize that and get off your ass, the sooner your dreams, money, chicks will happen to you. You get every single textbook success story, it always have a long period of studying and working hard before the "lucky strike" or "genious idea" that made that guy famous take place.

[–]maxofreddit 9 points10 points  (2 children)

to build a sucessuful life from scratch takes 10 years, more or less,

Good god this. I wish this was drilled into me at a much younger age, instead of simply "follow your dreams."

The great thing about this is it doesn't matter when you start. If you start at 4 years old, you're Beiber at 15. If you wait until your 30 to get your focus, you're not going to arrive until you're breaking 40. Sure, natural knack & talent play in, but that natural talent is more a factor to aid in continual & constant focus rather than the gods smiling down on someone. It's a marathon, you need to actively start running, not planning, start moving.

[–]DouglasPR 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Also, quality schools, ivy league if possible. Not just the level of education, but the conections you stablish there will be useful networking later

[–]maxofreddit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Truth here as well.

You can do it without the Ivy League connection, but it sure as hell gives you a considerable headstart ;)

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children)


Its a strong realization, and the mental masturbation is real.

I woukd have never learned pua, or finished my MAP had i not learned this lesson.

Actions change thoughts, stop thinking and start doing. Or Voltaires[?] perfect being the enemy of the good.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 1 point2 points  (2 children)

This article is fabulous. I'm going to work through your site, I'm sorry I haven't seen it before.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Don't worry about it. It's just me journaling what I've learned on my MAP

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's where the best stuff on TRP is - guys taking notes on what they, personally, experienced. None of this philosophizing without following through.

[–]_Poes_Law_ 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Mindset is only the door. You still have to walk through it.

Thank you, that has been holding me up for a while now.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Quitting smoking (because of TRP--can't be more thankful for this place) combined with meditation showed me that my mind is a two year old child. Mind: "I want a cigi" Self: "no" Mind: "But can I please have a cigi?" Self: "no" Mind: --throw tantrum--- Self: walk away and go do something else.

I have noticed this is true in just about every fucking aspect of my life. The trick is being able to catch your mind doing it. Then treat it like the child it is, through action! Or even inaction as the case may be.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Leave the contemplative life to the monks. Life is action. Solid post. Getting there myself.....finally doing all those things I wanted to do. I'm living almost exactly how I want to be. Once I have a larger social circle and some plates who don't distract me from my Mission, I will declare success (and defend my gains with my life).

[–]DB_2014 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This really hit a chord with me. I've always been a great reader and a great thinker...but not a great doer. Hurts my ego to admit it, but looking back, reading and thinking haven't gotten me much in life. The times I have seen success are when I actually go out and DO something.

[–]vwzwv 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This post should indeed be in the sidebar. I was working on getting the same notion written down, but his post is simpler, to the point, and more actionable.

FWIW, my version went something like this (if you dare to read what I just hacked out on the fly).

Our minds bend to our environment, not our environment bends to our minds. It's important to understand which parts of our environment have the most influence. Perhaps the most important element of our environment is our body. It's always in our environment. Our body shapes our mind. If you are skinny fat and don't groom your mind will adapt and think and act through that lense. If you have a George Clooney build your mind will be shaped and act through that lense. Huge difference. Perhaps the second most important thing to control in your environment is your location of residence. Do you live in the ghetto or in Oregon? Your mind shapes to being in the ghetto or your mind shapes to being in Oregon. The two biggest factors in your environment is how your body looks and where you wake up each morning.

The second part of my paradigm is that actions shape your environment (not your thoughts and mind), then you environment shapes your mind. I broke actions down in to two types. Actions that change your environment 'permenantly', like changing your body or where you wake up each morning, and actions that change your environment 'temporarily' like reading. Because a month from now I'm not going to remember my reading epiphanies, but tomorrow morning I will surely wake up and my mind will instantly bend to where I am and how my body looks like.

It is important to do the actions that square away the permanent aspects of your environment, and focus less on actions that square away temporary environments, like reading or cleaning your vinyl collection (video games and TV are not even on the chart).

The key thing to know is the feedback loop is between actions and environment and the mind follows, opposed to believing the mind is leading.

People generally perceive good change (like forming a habit to go to the gym) as a top down well executed plan that starts with the mind, but good habits are more likely started by wandering away from your apartment and into the gym like a person with Alzheimer's mindlessly wanders away from the bus stop into a coffee shop. Actions form habits, not fleeting plans.

[–]HappyMexican 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are spot on about appearance affecting your mind and actions. If you feel sloppy, insecure and ugly. You will do things to hide from the world, afraid of it saying anything about your insecurities. When you hide from the world, you tend to ignore your own problems. Then your problems get bigger, then you ignore those. This is the pitfall countless overweight, unemployed and addiction-oriented people fall into.

If you feel like a stylish stud, you will pay more attention to your life/future. Which means taking care of business and keeping a stronger eyes on your daily goals.

I would only add in your living space, car, and work space should to be kept in tidy order. You will have a lot less stress in your life, feel better about yourself and more confident in your actions waking up and living in a place that is clean and efficient.

[–]Ziddy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I like to tell people who have motivation issues is to just do whatever you plan within 5 seconds. Don't give yourself time to make up excuses. Laundry? Just do it. None of this "one more round of League." Act as if things can't wait.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 4 points5 points  (21 children)

It's more complicated than that, as you might imagine. and /u/Neoreactionsafe is on the right track.

For over a decade, I was aware of what I needed to do to be the best I could be, and willing to do it. But I could not do it. I was emotionally FUBAR, and only recently have I begun the healing process properly.

There is a feedback loop between thought and action. Thought does precede action. So those people (me) who don't save money when they know they should, it is not just because they are not focusing on the right thing.

Unfortunately, people fall in these prescriptive precepts of "it's because you're thinking too much", or "you're focusing on the wrong thing", and the real fundamental reasons why the man does not change is never explored. Be careful about that, with yourself and with loved ones.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (20 children)


A lot of the Red Pill is about "Emotional Intelligence" or EQ.

Knowing how emotional programming fucks us up (the Blue Pill) is the first step to understanding the way things really are.

"Kill the Beta" is the destruction of the default Blue Pill myths.

You were force fed the Blue Pill... it's a kind of mental abuse the ruling class invents to trap the slaves into bondage. This type of emotional abusive mental programming has always existed to some degree, but the specifics change with the different era's.

As a child (I'm 56) there was no such thing as a "transgender" person... that's current day brainwashing... myth.


[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (19 children)

No beta indoctrination is not a conspiracy, we find alpha and beta males in all of the animal kingdom. It is normal and a fact of biology, you find spectrums in all traits, some are tall, some are short, some have high IQs, some have low. It has nothing to do with an illuminati conspiracy, it is all in your head

[–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (17 children)


The Blue Pill is emotional programming.


  • We watch it when Hollywood creates it's movies and television.

  • We learn it in elementary school and in college.

  • We experience it second hand by peer pressure from SJW.


Call it the "Globalist Tyranny", the "Deep State", the "Elites" or whatever you want but the ruling class of all ages always tries to gain power by Dumbing Down the population with "Bread and Circuses".

These are eternal Truths.

One must forever be vigilant of the elites robbing the masses.

Crime is a constant reality in life... Machiavellian logic is eternal.

To be naive actually means to be "natural and unaffected" so the clueless beta male is taught that everything is random and most people are good which is incomplete and inaccurate.

The Red Pill exposes the crimes of humanity.

We aren't naive.


[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (16 children)

No, no, no, no and No. It doesn't matter that you think a subreddit about sexual strategy, populated by many recovering young betas is a beacon of hope in a world of conspiracies. It just is not so. Pharoahs, kings, clergy and warlords historically have not had to brainwash people, they had armies money and power. Even if you killed all authority figures tomorrow the masses would just look to someone else to lead them amd elect the best among them to tell them what to do. Or the most powerful and intelligent would naturally take control. Where you see conspiracy, I see obviousness. Where you see "blue pill indoctrination", I see the masses enjoying their simple entertainments. Beta males are beta because of biology and genetics, not because of illuminati. You talk nothing but madness. There are beta sperm whales, only 1 in 10 of them gets to mate, did the illuminati plan that? "Beta" is not a conspiracy, it is biology at work. Are you suggesting that hypergamy, which is observed across most of the mammal kingdom, is a result of conspiracies by the elite? THERE IS NO CONNECTION, drop this stupid bullshit. Use Hanlon's razor, do not ascribe to manipulation what is more readily and easily ascribed to stupidity. Trickery is a valid sexual strategy, employed by plants and animals sonce the dawn of time.

[–]ag_blank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hanlon's razor

now that is a new concept to me. I agree with all though, just like 4 chan has the jews, RP has "the 1%"

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (14 children)


Crime has always existed.

Call it the "elites", the "deep state" or whatever but crimes are taking place.

The goal of the Red Pill is to expose the crimes.

Feminism is a crime.


You appear trapped in the:


  • Conspiracy Theory Accusation


What that means is when there are authentic crimes taking place you accept an emotional programming that prevents you from seeing the crimes. (the accusation makes the crimes disappear... the magic trick)

I reject the emotional programming... that's "waking up"...seeing the magic tricks.

Life is not random, crimes are real, seeing them is losing your innocence.


[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

So the red pill is here to expose "crimes" and save humanity. Well stopping war, murder, paedophilia and assault would be a good start. So what is the great world saviour TRP doing about that.

  • "The goal of the Red Pill is to expose the crimes."

WTF are you talking about? Seriously wake the fuck up. Stop lumping all the things you are obsessed with together. It is a subreddit about sexual strategy, not a world wide grass roots movement to expose and stop crime. Grow up

[–]ag_blank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the red pill is here to save humanity.

Oh i remember when I was a total RP noob and thought that too

[–]NeoreactionSafe -1 points0 points  (4 children)


The word "crime" is being used rather than "conspiracy".

The beta male sees the world as basically fair and mostly crime free. (Charlie Brown is a good man)


Charlie Brown was the Peanuts cartoon for "beta male".

The Red Pill male has eyes open and sees all the crimes.

"The Manipulated Man" is exposing the crimes women do to unsuspecting men.

Seeing the Truth underneath is what the Red Pill is about... we see the crimes others miss.


It's not that complicated.


[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The red pill teaches betas how to wet their dick, it makes no mention of illuminati conspiracy theories. Find me one thing on the sidebar which supports your sweeping views. Icke and Passio are not endorsed and frankly I am surprised that the mods have put up with your nonsense for so long

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (2 children)


Notice I made no mention of anything outrageous.

We know globalism exists because we see them trying to pass laws like Agenda 21 which override local laws.

We know power is being concentrated.

We know the rich are getting richer and fewer in number.

What precisely are you objecting to?

Being aware of the obvious?


The whole idea of the Red Pill is to be "street wise" and know the crimes.


Should we prevent all references to the Peanuts cartoon because some supposed Red Pill authority never approved it?

Should we ban Charlie Brown references?


The kicking of footballs?


[–]throw17453 2 points3 points  (6 children)

  • Conspiracy Theory Accusation

Would conspiracy theorists be an accurate criticism to the Branch Dividians?

How about Scientologists

or Flat Earthers. Or the multitude of people who have fervently believed the earth will be destroyed.

I understand your point - labelling something, or someone a conspiracist can be a way of undermining them, without actually engaging in their ideas or arguments. A form of Ad Hominem, emotional manipulation etc.

But the trouble is I have seen numerous people actually attempt to critique your views on some of these issues, myself included. Often you will respond by dismissing them (skeptics, bluepill, stuck in emotional programming, insert some flaw here)


Respond in a way that doesn't relate at all to what they are saying, and is often just you rephrasing your theories.

Which leads me to believe accusing you of being a conspiracy theorist is an accurate criticism. Although that's an assumption that I would like to be proved wrong on.

Arguing about it is fairly pointless, you're fairly set in your views (Which I think you mistakenly consider to be having strong frame) but people can believe whatever they want to.

Assuming every criticism against your views is bluepill programming is a wonderful way of never having to face criticism head on....

[–]ag_blank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate too when people hide their ignorance behind ambiguity

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (4 children)


I understand your point - labelling something, or someone a conspiracist can be a way of undermining them, without actually engaging in their ideas or arguments. A form of Ad Hominem, emotional manipulation etc.


That is correct.


Assuming every criticism against your views is bluepill programming is a wonderful way of never having to face criticism head on.


The Trivium Method of discovering Truth isn't about debate.

Maybe that's the point to express.

Think about it:


  • Open minded on evidence, reject censorship.

  • Close minded on thought, think for yourself and reject peer pressure.

  • Share your results.


Where in the Trivium Method is there debate?


There is no debate.

Debate is how we get into this mess because people get emotionally invested in the debate "fight" and the ego ends up winning on both sides.

The Trivium Method says:


  • "Fuck debate, I'll listen if you have newer evidence, but if you don't then I really don't give a shit about another person's opinion as I already formed mine based on the existing evidence."


The Paradigm Shift occurs when newer evidence is introduced that casts a new look on the existing evidence. One can flip their view 180 degrees.

A great example is Building 7 on 911... once you study the youtube videos and realize steel buildings don't just fall down for no reason it makes you realize a crime of deception occurred.

That's a true Paradigm Shift.


[–]throw17453 1 point2 points  (3 children)

It is possible to have a debate with someone - and ego not be a part of it.

If your strongest condemnation of debate is people get emotionally invested, and ego invested then I have a solution.

Don't get emotionally invested or ego invested, and don't debate someone if they can't seperate ego + emotional investment from it.

The trivium does not say fuck debate... You say that. The trivium recognises the usefulness of debate in trying to come to truth.

Logic (also dialectic) is the "mechanics" of thought and of analysis, the process of identifying fallacious arguments and statements and so systematically removing contradictions, thereby producing factual knowledge that can be trusted.

Dialectic is literally a debate between two people with ego and emotion removed - or as removed as can be.

Western intellectual history, democracy and the legal system have been built - in part - upon the bedrock of debate. You may wish to say "fuck debate", but that's a weakness of your position, not a strength.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (2 children)


The Trivium has a dark and light side to it.

Grammer, Logic, Rhetoric can either be for personal seeking of Truth or it can be used for emotional mind control.

Read this:



I'm fully aware of the "dark side" of using the Trivium to control the masses.


  • Problem

  • Reaction

  • Solution


...is the way to create chaos in order to make people fearful and willing to allow the dialectic to advance towards the desired solution.

You defeat this with "independent thinking".


The Red Pill is often just about exposing the crimes.


[–]ag_blank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's both

differentiation exists on a biological level, but there are certain people that enhanced this for certain purposes

it's the old culture vs biology. Biology creates culture, so even those illuminati conspiracies are merely an extension of the natural tendencies.

[–]pelag1us 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Saving this for future reference, this is so true it's amazing that it's overall message was delivered so simply, and that I failed so often to accept the simple answer as truth

[–]dking168 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is simply motivation vs discipline

[–]jbo99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tremendous stuff. My biggest mantra for myself and advice for others is: you will feel like how you treat yourself. When I clean my apartment, I feel put together; when I lift, I feel like a beast; when I put in the hours at work, I feel like I have a future. When these actions lead to self-belief, all the rest of the good parts of life follow suit. Your post sums this up perfectly.

[–]TruthInArt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been struggling with this forever. I would always wonder why my logic wasn't working, but I never thought it was wrong.

I want to express my heartfelt thanks for helping me through this mental-action plateau!

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Beyond the initial mental choice to act in new ways -and then actually ACTION-ing them into your reality - positive thinking is mostly mental masturbation.

Great post, OP. This realization pretty much destroys the self-help market, if there still is one.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your points here resemble the motivation vs discipline discussion. Discipline wins.

Another important point to make here is the slowness of actual change and growth. Are you 100lbs overweight? Do not get a gym membership; go for a 10 minute walk. Build one tiny positive habit, incurring only slight pain, feel the slight benefit, acknowledge your small success and gradually make it bigger.

There's a massive industry based on the Mind Fallacy. I've been invited to several expensive "seminars" that promise catostrophic positive personal change based on fundamental psychological or spiritual shifts. I follow up with these people and they really aren't making a whole lot of progress. If you want a psychological shift, spend a week alone in nature.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In my community, there's this homeless guy who hangs out in front of our ethnic grocery store. He's been around since I was 10, and I'm 27 now. The first time I met him, my parents gave me a dollar to give to him. It was the first time I felt really charitable and forced my consciousness outside of myself. The man babbles and is not coherent in the least, but will reach out for charity and nods his head in very distinguishable gratitude. His rumored backstory is very tragic. Supposedly, he lost his sister on the voyage to The States on some kind of ship and lost his mind. Anyway, you can find him on the side of the store often counting the bricks for hours. He does it in repetition.

You may notice autistic children exhibit similar behaviors. For them, it is a natural forced behavior to cope with too much mental stimulation.

The rest of you are mentally fucking dead because you were raised on TV and internet while your parents spoon fed you Poptarts and Hotpockets. It might take something as fucking ridiculous as you counting the bricks outside of a building for hours to get outside of your mind where huge titties are always bouncing and millions of pixels of every shade of the color spectrum are flashed across your eyes.

[–]moonpodrising 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great stuff. The mindset-first perspective is a trap. Seems it can be reinforced by the self-help industry, as you mention. It's easier to sit and try to mimic successful thinking, rather than go out there and imitate successful action. It appeals to our weaker sides: laziness, fear of risk, self-absorption.

[–]ppmonkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I came here tonight to create a post, but for now discussing this one would already be very helpful for me, since the subject of my post is related to this one: how do you manage the start of your evolution process? I was thinking about taking some time to study what it is like to be Beta, what are the main traits and create action plans for each one before moving on to an Alpha mindset/way of action. However, this post has a very solid point that changing your habits helps changing your mindset - I experienced this after a tremendous weight loss which began when I joined a gym, now I can't stay away from physical activities for too long.

However, my concern about trying to act alpha before I deal with my blue pill programming is that I might mess up good opportunities and experiments due to being conditioned, i.e., making a more aggressive move and feeling about it because it's disrespectful to a woman. So, how should I handle these two conflicting postures, the contemplation/planning and the action?

[–]XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. It's time for me to stop talking/thinking about it and actually be about it. Amazing.

[–]pizzalover24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find self help books help when you've already has experience and want to know where you went wrong.

But it's of minimal benefit to take up self help books to learn about how to have new experiences.

Education gives you answers but experiences gives you questions to ask.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nike said it best

Just Do It

[–]FateBender 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I desperately needed this at this stage in life.

[–]dakanos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great point.

I thought about it a lot, and I think we can basically divide everything into two parts: What to do, and do. Clearly, since the first one is all about figuring out the second, the most important is the second, mainly because it has tangible results on reality. The trick is of course being able to make the difference between the two (like right now I'm clearly thinking about what to do, and posting it on reddit won't change my reality much).

[–]Shaman6624 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Grit by angela duckworth is recommended for further reading.

[–]nearshore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the BEST whatever I read!

[–]eccentricrealist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Late to the party, but I saw an example of this in the stoicism subreddit, in which one can easily fall into a rut of rationalization in lieu of logical thinking. This guy said that he hoped we'd never have to practice stoicism like him, because his wife who he has two children with cheated on him for years and instead of dropping her he says he'll be strong for her and the kids. About half of the people congratulated him for his mental fortitude and the other half saw through his facade of strength, for all he had was the fear of loss, and instead of doing what's right, all he did was rationalize to feel somewhat ok about staying with her.

[–]iwasbornred 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your body is your mind.

Your body is your gamepiece. Protect and cultivate it.

[–]pn_me_your_dick 0 points1 point  (2 children)

what the fuck are you talking about we are not rational creatures if we would be rational creatures there would be no poverty and we would live in a paradise besides why do you have those problems in the first place if you are rational creatures the only thing that should councern you is having a positive impact in the world not being a selfish fuck

[–]alefmale 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hmm. This is almost not worth responding to. We are rational and yet not living in paradise. How could this be? Reason is about the means by which we achieve an end, not the end that we choose, necessarily. So some people use their rationality to deceive others and take more for themselves, and others use their rationality to help others. Not sure who you're calling selfish, either--but of course there are healthier and less healthy ways of being selfish.

tldr: yea we are rational (not always, of course), but that doesn't mean we are like some kind of eternally compassionate beings.

[–]pn_me_your_dick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you use rationality as a tool to get your selfish goals