Red Pill Example[FR] She wants monogamy and a boyfriend when her pussy isn't getting her what she wants (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 2awalt_cupcake

There have been a few plates that tried getting monogamy out of me through both direct and indirect means. I thought I was really becoming more Chad like. Instead I learned a new lesson on female nature. What it was, was that monogamy is a last minute precaution when putting out isn't giving her the things she wants. Love is just a hustle. Also this serves as a reminder that she is getting even higher tier dick but no commitment. I was just next in line.

Girl 1: She surprised me by coming over with a heart-shaped balloon, a trip to my favorite restaurant, and her long speech of love confession to me. I was thinking this bitch must be serious. I've never had this happen in my life. What girl does this? I got honest with her. I told her I felt like she earned my time but I cannot promise monogomy.

The cause: She ghosted for a while and resurfaced with a boyfriend. Beta qualities everywhere. I would much later connect the dots by sheer circumstance with a ONS with a girl who knew her that she was banging this taller dude with tats and a bigger dick. When he didn't commit she tried her roster for commitment feeling used and hurt.

Girl 2: She had been slowly bringing up strange questions for a plate. We would bang like degenerates and keep convos light and casual. Lately though she was probing my mind. She asked questions like if I ever planned on getting married. What would it take for a man like me to settle with a girl. Etc. I gave false or bullshit answers. I really liked this plate a lot. She was a total sweetheart and feminine but also complete slut. She was riding the CC for material gain hard. Sugar daddies, men paying for her food on dates, guys with money, etc. She was a feminine catch and she knew it. Such a girly girl. She had really been upping her quality with me in the past few months. Dressing exactly as I told her to dress, doing exactly what I told her to do, being my complete slut. She was my little soldier. I decided to embrace AWALT. I am non-monogamous after all and women will be sluts. I enjoyed her time with me after these 6 months,we had known each other through friend circles much longer than that so I decided she earned a more than fuck buddy status on my roster. I told her the similar rules I gave to Girl 1: she earned more of my time but we can still see other people because I am not monogamous. She was visibly excited and texted me often until she stopped texting me. Thinking nothing of it because we didn't talk unless we wanted to bang, I went on about my life I gave her a time to meet for the weekend. The weekend came and instead of her at my doorstep like usual I received a text.

The cause: She doesn't want to be poly any more she says. She's been wanting to be monogamous again for a while. She's tired of sleeping around she says. She wants the other guy to be serious about her and build a more emotional connection. Through a bit of remembering the tid bits she had dropped over the past month I connected the dots. Her sugar daddies weren't giving her the stuff she wanted. She wasn't being approached for dates as much as she used to. She didn't want to share me. Just like Girl 1 she felt like she got the bad end of the deal and went down her roster looking for commitment. But this girl was different. She had put a lot of emphasis on not sharing me and later not sharing who would be "her man". That stood out to me. To girls, we as men are not people but toys to be possessed. Flesh dildos that cum money. She wasn't getting the things she wanted and so she wanted control. Now she has a chad-looking boyfriend and she knows she has him by the balls.

Girl 3: She wanted to be more than a fb telling me I just hadn't met the right girl yet (Oh yah girl run that game). She was another more feminine chick but hung with shady individuals. We had only been fucking for a while so she hadn't earned that title yet. She said either I did the right thing and bf'ed her or she can't see me anymore. I told her I'm not monogamous. I'm definitely interested in having a main girl but I like to roam. I figured keep the door open for opportunity if she wanted to jump on it. No contact from her. Boyfriend the very next day.

The cause: She had just been dumped and was looking for the next bidder. Her vagina is so special and worth it she couldn't deal with the reality that no one was swooping her psycho ass up. She went down her roster (and Tinder) until a poor sap cuffed her.

Lessons Learned:

Remember men she only wants monogomy when she's already been giving out pussy like a Chinese chicken sampler at the mall. For some women it's control. For some women it's comfort. For others it's settling for the next bidder. But for each reason, it has always come about because the woman did not get what she wanted in return for giving out pussy for free. Each of these women were 20-23 years old. Let that sink in and enjoy the decline.

[–]1StuttBuffer 283 points284 points  (47 children)

You definitely offer some good insight here into the possessive nature of committing to a woman. She'll pretend as though she really likes you. But then as soon as it's revealed that she can't own you, you are replaced in a matter of hours by someone (less desirable) who will do her bidding. Now that's what I call objectification.

[–]Iseewhateyesee 145 points146 points  (28 children)

Dude...I love posts like these because they bring so much insight to the table.

When my last gf and I were on the rocks and about to break up for good I remember her asking me if I would marry her. Even though at this point I was really low and pretty much pussywhipped (to some degree) I didn't give a "yes" to her, more of a, well we'll have to see how things go first, kind of response

Bitch just wanted to ensnare me. Fast forward a few months and she has a new bf (probably rode the cc in between then until this guy caved)

If they know they can't control you they will move on to someone who they can control.

It's never about you, it's about them.

Great post man

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 80 points81 points  (25 children)

Well in all fairness we're doing the same here. TRP as a system is really male application of female dating strategy.

[–]Appleseed12333 103 points104 points  (22 children)

banned for no reason, deleting posts, leaving TRP

[–]Phoenixtorment 32 points33 points  (7 children)

We rob them of pair bonding though.

[–]TheEagleAndTheSnake 27 points28 points  (4 children)

This. Money you can make back. Being a ho you can't change.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Free will. We don't make them act like hoes, they get there all on their own.

[–]Stythe 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Once you see the game tou can't fully return. I don't think it's fair to say we cause thus, but we certainly aren't doing anything even remotely useful to remedy it. We take advantage of it. In the end, innocence is likely lost do to actions like those spoken of here. Of course, this is life. It would happen anyway, but in a world where children aren't taught to be adults (and in fact are taught to be handicapped), this is the outcome. People are selfish and the world is at a cut-throat point.

So while i dont place blame, I'd also say don't deny your actions and role. Most of us here aren't bettering anyone but ourselves.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I would beg to differ on your last point. I personally go a long way in my life to benefit people and causes i care about, at times spending hundreds of hours per year doing so.

If women want to have sex with whoever whenever that's their prerogative. Who am I to say they're wrong for that? In my country (America) they are free to do as they please and so am I.

I don't have an opinion on civilization or society failing, I think people have been saying that since the beginning of time. People always have been selfish. Human beings are a mixed bag, all of us really are. But I will say this: I am not taking responsibility for the way women act. Every human has choices they make in life and we have to live with those choices. I don't take advantage of it, because I am worthy of sex with these women. Furthermore, I am not saving them. I don't need to remedy it to feel good about myself and my life. In the end, innocence is a myth, my friend.

[–]Stythe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're correct. Its nor your responsibility to make choices for anyone but yourself. I'm more thinking of the fact that knowingly having ones way with a naive girl (especially if its her first ir second) is bound to damage her. After shes had a couple guys the game is abundantly clear and there's no way to turn off thay knowledge. It really isn't anyone's call except her own in what she does however, so it's just food for thought.

[–]czatara 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Awesome insight, but there is a difference in fact. She loses the ability to pair bond, but you don't take it home. Now with money, you lose it and she takes it home. So I don't think "robbing" is a good term to apply in this context.

[–]The_M0rning_Star 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This right here is why they all leave him. They want to bond on a deeper level, and when he won't they look for a rebound guy. Women need a lot of emotional support to function correctly. It seems very arbitrary to men, but think about it like the alignment of your car. A nicely aligned car will drive straight for awhile, a poorly aligned car will veer off the second you let go of the wheel. This is why it's essential for women to have healthy friendships and pair bond. It keeps them aligned. Women who work well as long term plates more than likely have deep, well cultivated relationships to fall back on for their alignment. Without that alignment, that's how you get chicks who veer off in 0.03 seconds and accuse you of rape even though they wanted to fuck you like five minutes earlier.

That being said, I don't know why you would attempt to pair bond with someone who is so upfront about their desire to not be monogamous. That's like getting a cat and then getting pissed it has claws. You knew it had claws when you got the damn thing...the answer is not to declaw it. The answer is you never actually wanted a cat in the first place.

[–]4dcentipawn 20 points21 points  (13 children)

Date girls who make more than you, problem solved.

[–]chiefbl 14 points15 points  (12 children)

In all seriousness, how viable is this option? Would she think she's the one with the pants in the relationship due to her higher income? Do you lie about your income so it becomes higher than hers?

[–]rpkarma 18 points19 points  (4 children)

I did it. Her parents were multimillionaires, and she was loaded herself. Didn't marry, but damn was it a fun few years. Feel bad I spent most of it on heroin though...

[–]happy_fart 7 points8 points  (3 children)

At least you were getting laid during your addiction days. I wasted seven of my best years- 24-27 and 30-32 on being a reclusive addict who wasn't getting laid. And I'm a good looking mother fucker too but was just way too heavily into drugs during those dry spells. Now I'm almost 35 and doing my best to make up for lost time. But it still kills me that I wasted a lot of my prime years.

[–]rpkarma 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Damn that sucks. No joke, I got laid more when I was a dirty junkie than when I got clean :/ it's weird in one way, makes sense in another

[–]alefmale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably the drugs were fucking with your sex drive too though wouldn't you say?

[–]Bing400 1 point2 points  (0 children)

when do prime years start? I'm 18, about to turn 19, I'm aiming to be at my top game by 20.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Very viable, just don't let the income disparity phase you. Ultimately she'll likely give it up to be a mom anyway.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Big dick, Hawt body, game, fashion etc. Totally possible. She'll leave you to marry someone richer though, so you're on short notice.

[–]Iseewhateyesee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's the reality of things.

The ultimate knowledge and power one can behold is knowing the truth of things and in turn not taking things personally.

Other's actions are a reflection of them, not of yourself.

You are not more or less with respect to another person's perception of you. Only you have the ultimate say with regard to that.

The power of self. Hone in.

[–]Bing400 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What if you get the girl's parents' favor. To the point where you've charmed them more than you've charmed her.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I feel like I saw a romcom about that. She went for the bad boy that her parents disapproved of.

[–]Bing400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah but does that happen in reality with marriage?

[–]kagetsuki23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you don't obey when she give order she don't have any pant. and if you have side dish that obey, wealthy women make good childs factory (they can't divorce rape you).

[–]NakedAndBehindYou points points [recovered]

TRP is reactionary though. We only behave the way we do because it works. Many TRPers would highly prefer if women were attracted to "nice guys" so we could just be nice and snag a good girl for monogamy. But life isn't that easy.

[–]Dravous 19 points20 points  (0 children)

this is a point that even now puts me in a bit of a nihilistic mood. the blue pill version of a woman is such a wonderful thing....and yet it doesn't exist except in their minds. reality is sad.

[–]kaane 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It's never about you, it's about them.

This !

You got the idea. It is as simple as that

[–]Shakydrummer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You're not wrong, the way the sexual market is, if they want a guy to control they know they can find one super easily. It's pretty sad.

[–]Pro_Like_Me 36 points37 points  (5 children)

That's pretty sad shit too unfortunately

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 52 points53 points  (4 children)

It is much, much sadder if you are completely unaware of this fact of life.

[–]Windforce 36 points37 points  (3 children)

Before you didn't know the rules to the game, everything seemed like luck based card game, where each card you played had a random effect on your opponent (girl).

After swallowing, now you know exactly how each card has its own hidden power and you have to play yours like you don't know this fact, sometimes just playing the wrong cards on purpose to keep your opponent unaware and make mistakes for your own agenda.

It's somewhat sad and bitter if you just come across this now, but after you grind enough games, it becomes basic strategy so ingrained you don't even notice yourself doing it.

[–]ytfromsnwcrsh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I thank trp everyday for helping me see the pattern, among all the noise modern life throws at us men.

[–]Bing400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you're right on the luck part, you would see ugly guys with hot girls and feel like it was gambling

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (6 children)

See this is why I love this sub. It sheds light on shit I been through but never understood.

When I lose interest in a girl (teen years) they quickly find another boyfriend. But the thing is that these guys were always copies of me. I'm not exaggerating. It even got weird a couple times cause the dude would look at me and instantly know that she is with him cause he looks similar to me.

I never understood why this happened but now you reminded me and explained it.

[–]kaane 19 points20 points  (1 child)

When I lose interest in a girl (teen years) they quickly find another boyfriend.

First they find the next branch, then they put on less effort on their side. Last you start loosing interest.


[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well, I have no idea when they branch off, but I usually am done after a month together, and I usually ghost them or just moved away.

The cases I am speaking of, they were definitely still into me. I just didn't want them anymore.

[–]Iseewhateyesee 7 points8 points  (3 children)

So do we take this as some sort or weird compliment?

Clearly the chick is still attracted to you, but found a guy that matches your looks but is easier to control

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I have no idea man. I only just figured out what was happening today. It's been 11 years since the last time. I'll have am answer for you in 2028 maybe.

[–]grandaddychimp 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That's how I always took it

[–]Iseewhateyesee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's funny how they use a semi-doppelgänger to get over you. (It's futile though)

It means they want you, but want to be the one in control.

So, I also say that they still want you, but since they're more pragmatic (cunning/conniving) they'd rather take the substitute.

I bet they still have feelings for you, but their lack of logic and pride makes them petty creatures.

[–]menial_optimist 12 points13 points  (0 children)

She'll pretend as though she really likes you. But then as soon as it's revealed that she can't own you, you are replaced

Isn't this the exact same thing if a man is rejected by a potential plate? The only difference is the "matter of hours" bit, which on a LTR level is pretty fucked up. To them it's like an LTR is a commodity traded freely you buy in store.

[–]2awalt_cupcake[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Women and mens lives are so different from eachother it's hard to believe because we see eachother every day. We really don't see eye to eye when it comes to treating eachother as people. And I don't think it ever needs to be that way. Objectification is healthy. Sex is healthy. Masculinity is healthy. Femininity is healthy. It's just how the game is.

[–]BRINGMEDATASS 4 points5 points  (0 children)

shit this happened to me and I never even realized it was happening, girl confesses I say no, the next day she has a bf.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Remember men she only wants monogomy when she's already been giving out pussy like a Chinese chicken sampler at the mall. For some women it's control. For some women it's comfort. For others it's settling for the next bidder. But for each reason, it has always come about because the woman did not get what she wanted in return for giving out pussy for free.

Exchanging sex against resources is a beta bux -type relationship. Though it's pretty clear in your text that you weren't acting beta.

The way I'd analyze it is that all these girls started feeling the need to settle (comfort). They tried to settle for the highest SMV man in their current roster (you?) but you wouldn't give the exclusivity that settling (comfort) requires by definition. I don't think they're upset they "gave their pussy away for free". If you're alpha, sex with you is not a trade for something: they just genuinely enjoy the tingles. But if you don't offer commitment at a time of their life they need it, AND since they know they can only get commitment from a man by being (at least apparently) exclusive to him, they've got to stop the sexual relationship with you (temporarily).

[–]2awalt_cupcake[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't think they're upset they "gave their pussy away for free"

It's because they wanted control, comfort, or to be cuffed. Giving their pussy away for free is just a requirement for one of these emotions to arise out of a situation and seek monogamy; the catalyst.

[–]dandons points points [recovered]

There's always a bigger alpha than you. It's a humbling lesson, but one which will bring you peace and happiness.

[–]Keith_Valentine 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Accepting this has really helped me focus on what I have to offer, not what I lack. Little humility is good

[–]SaggyT 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Goddammit what a slap to the face this comment is! THANK YOU

[–]fingerthemoon 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The next step is to not get jealous or envious of that dude but to think "what an awesome specimen he is" and then go about your business accepting your lot in life.

[–]dandons points points [recovered]

Exactly. I've got a friend who is honestly one of the best looking guys I have ever seen in my life. And this guy is literally the only "natural" that I know. If you want to picture him, think of the most perfect Aryan specimen that would give Hitler a wet dream. He's about 6'2, shining blond hair, blue eyes, extremely cut cheek bones and jaw line, naturally muscular, and with a seductive deep voice. Also, he is rather intelligent, although not one of the smartest. This man got a fucking blowjob from a girl at a basketball game when he was 15. He also cheated on his girlfriend when he was 15. And he preaches game without even knowing it. One of my other friends didn't get anything from a girl he was dating, and so this guy tells him to man up and tell her to put out or get out, and use a little force. I and many others are absolutely enthralled with this guy, though many are jealous and call him a pretty boy or a weakling because he isn't super buff, although he is the perfect size in terms of what girls like. I'm not jealous of this guy, I'm honestly thrilled that such a great guy like him can get laid. He is decent and smart, and his success is my success. Much rather him than some guy in the hood with his baby mamas. This is the kind of guy where you look at him and just think to yourself: "this guy deserves to get laid a lot"

[–]fingerthemoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think men are much better at accepting their place in the hierarchy of life than women. We can look up to a stronger male and take his lead, whereas women seem to constantly be trying to take each other down. Men don't really have "frenemies" like most women do. Female competitiveness is a fucking bitch.

[–]dandons points points [recovered]

When I reflect on this situation, I think back on my reading of sperm wars, and the fact that girls would be much less promiscuous if there was no birth control. If girls had a risk of pregnancy, then they would not fuck guys to try to get something from them nearly as much. Birth control is a huge benefit to women, because it allows them to fuck guys to gain money, commitment, etc. while also greatly reducing the risk. Say we take birth control out of the question, and make casual sex highly risky and unrewarding financially. Guess what? There will be much more limited casual sex. 90% of you who are now spinning plates and fucking girls at bars will go sexless unless you get married. And can you guess who gets all the casual sex, limited as it would be? That's right, its the most handsome, intelligent, high status guys with game. Birth control is a win win for redpillers and feminists. I find that rather amusing.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Well thats also to the benefit of the beta. Girls can just hand out pussy for money essentially and be groomed by their beta orbiters.

[–]Gbox4 points points [recovered]

If there was no birth control women would get pregnant with the babies of betas so they would have to marry

[–]cptspiffy points points [recovered]

That shit happens all over the world, every day.

[–]RPStone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And then those beta babies are raised in a female controlled household, thus continuing the decline of masculinity and the rise of feminism.

[–]1Metalageddon 70 points71 points  (2 children)

flesh dildos that cum money

Yep. That about sums it up. Don't forget this, don't ever fucking forget this. It's not even malicious, that's just the way they are. (Most of them)

[–]TheEagleAndTheSnake 10 points11 points  (0 children)

And the rest are just very good at hiding it.

[–]SilverGryphon 36 points37 points  (6 children)

Women only want monogamy when their time is running out and their quality takes a noticeable drop.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 9 points10 points  (4 children)

the wall is impartial. it can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with.. it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop, ever. until you hit it.

[–]Aproacherydaynoxcuse 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You sound like the men of the nights watch lol. Good stuff.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

the wall gives no pussy pass either.

[–]scarletspider3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's much worse than that. I knew plenty of females that waited until long after the wall and were completely used up before they even considered looking for their beta bucks. I actually felt sorry for some of the females I knew that were 28+ that thought they would always have the power they had when they were <27. I seriously wanted to grab and shake the delusions out of them, but we all know it's feels over reals with them.

[–]kaane 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Flesh dildos that cum money

This is the most lyrical thing that I have red here so far. Beautiful yet so true.

All these three scenarios have one thing in common. You SMV is increasing while their value is decreasing. If you ask them, none of these women would admit the reason behind their actions, but they instinctively know that their value is declining. So they need to score the best blue pilled billy as soon as possible.

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (30 children)

Women are all prostitutes. They all expect something for sex. Sex for Sex sake is a man only thing.

I learned that lesson rather the hard way. I gladly admit that I was the worlds biggest AFC/Beta or whatever you wanna call it. I also admit that this might still be the case even though I have swallowed a great portion of the pill but I have been subjected to such a great amount of AFC/Beta Brainwashing that I am afraid this shit will never come off completely.

If you have sex with a woman, no matter what the circumstances, she considers you in debt. After all, she was "generous" enough to give you pussy. You might tell her beforehand your "conditions", you might let her sign a contract, you might fucking take her to church and take a wow on gods glorious name not to keep you liable for anything that happens in bed. She will still hold you liable for having sex with her. Thats how she thinks and no amount of reason or logic will stop her at that.

You have sex with her, you are her bitch...at least from her point of view.

It takes a superhero alpha to keep her in line forever. For all of us normal mortals, there is always a countdown. Depending on how much alpha you are, you might get more generous time from her but at some point, she will demand payment and if you dont pay, even if it hurts her, she will take her leave to look for someone who will.

The Housing Bubble is nothing compared to the Bubble of Pussy. Thanks to Mens inability to control themselves and their desires, womens worth is skyrocketing to new heights. If this continues, even alphas will have a hard time affording the amount of pussy they demand for a reasonable amount of effort.

Just take a look at the amount of interest men are ready to show towards even the most mediocre of pussy in social networks.

Sure, you can always be a better "alpha" and not care about this but tell me, how much effort do you consider is worth for a HB6 to 9?(forget 10, only a fraction of men will be able to afford a 10, just assume you are not among them and you wont be wrong).

When being a Millionaire isnt enough will you then try to be a Billionaire just to get pussy? When having a good Body is not enough will you then try to get a godly Body? (while at the same time getting to be a Billionaire?) When being smart and intelligent is not enough will you then try to be brilliant and genius? (while at the same time getting a godly body and being a Billionaire)

At what point will you realize that a day has 24 hours and a week only 7 days and a life just too short to do all of this? When is the point reached where we consider a deal "Everything in exchange for just pussy" a bad deal?

Where is the point where we men have a soul and interests of our own and not live for pussy alone?

Strangely I found no answers to these questions in any TRP Theories. All they ever say is "Lift".

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 14 points15 points  (2 children)

When being a Millionaire isnt enough will you then try to be a Billionaire just to get pussy? When having a good Body is not enough will you then try to get a godly Body? (while at the same time getting to be a Billionaire?) When being smart and intelligent is not enough will you then try to be brilliant and genius? (while at the same time getting a godly body and being a Billionaire)

It's the classic blue pill framing of the whole situation: do what women seem to want, and they will choose you. As you have already figured out, that isn't such a hot strategy. That's the anti-strategy that drives you crazy as a confused blue pill man, who doesn't get why nothing is working the way it was supposed to work. What the hell are you supposed to do, to get these women?

The red pill approach involves learning a new skill, called Game. Game is an umbrella term, but we can think of it as weaponized male charm. Women innately respond to it, wether they want to or not, wether it's a nice thing you're saying to her or not. You may be the opposite of everything she thought she wanted in a man, and objectively kinda a loser with a fat gut and nothing to your name in this world, yet if you have Game, the women are happily eating from the palm of your hand.

Do you get what I'm saying? You're shooting at the wrong target, because of all the blue pill mist. It's not a matter of being "good enough so women will pick you". Fuck them, fuck what they want, fuck their picky lists of things every man must fulfil to be worthy of the pussy. It's a revelation when you grasp it, and you flip the script, now it's not a fantasy, now you are actually the prize that women fight over. And when Mr. Billionaire with a godly body (from your example) walks in, they'll still be fighting over you, and ignoring his blue pill ass. Learn Game, understand women, cuck your first billionaire and you will never look back.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 26 points27 points  (0 children)

This is an extremely poignant comment. I'm replying because I hope after some consideration I have something meaningful to say to you, but right now I am speechless.

I mean, this is the kind of thing you wonder about when you pass somebody on the street and you wonder just what is going through their head.

To make it personal, ALL of my nephews and younger cousins I have seen their marriages/LTRs implode, I've tried to figure out what happened, and this is the kind of insight that they wouldn't share with even their closest friends.

Strangely I found no answers to these questions in any TRP Theories. All they ever say is "Lift".

Try this thing, I got this from an old traveling Blues musician, what he does when he gets to a new town: find the homeliest woman in the place, lock eyes with her and make it happen. There won't be any competition for her, there won't be any jealous ex-lovers, she will be overjoyed to have you in her life, and she will be the best cook and servant you can find, for free.

[–]Rabalaz 9 points10 points  (5 children)

You I like. Take my upvote ya filthy animal.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

While this does not answer my questions, I would be lying if I said I dont get flattered by compliments and as we have learned...we men dont like to lie :).

So dont mind if I do and please take this sincere "Thank You" in return.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Very good post, I am interested in the bit about being what women want(rich, built etc) only goes so far.

As when I see people in positions that we would consider an untouchable position of relationship control......the A list film star, Famous musician. They all have the same problems.

Johnny Depp, Mel Gibson....etc losing frame hard, they have every tool you could need in enjoying your life and a woman loving you and behaving herself for the rest of your life. Nope. So it was interesting you saying a millionaire won't do it, a 6 pack won't do it etc just help a bit more than not having it.

I think we just need to war games it, 'The only winning move is not to play' (TOWMINTP) -(lets make it a thing;)

That doesn't mean not get involved with girls, it means we set the rules.....as we can't control the game when they blindly set unwinnable rules.

We need to rewrite the rules, its their turn to play.


[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bill Clinton was "massacred" for having a chick blow him in the office. Now lets take a step back and look at who we are talking about here.

The man was President of the United States. A Nuclear Power that has more Aircraft Carriers and defense budget then the rest of the world COMBINED. An economic Powerhouse that is acknowledged as the greatest World Power ever so far in History. He was the "Boss" of this bunch.

He had to apologize.......

Are you fucking kidding me? A man in such a position should have a personal fucking harem not only with women but with boys, goats and whatever the fuck he desires....he apologized!

The Red Pillers tell me that wealth and power equal pussy. This man had the greatest power you can have on this planet right now and he sure wasnt broke either...what did it help him?

Same with Tiger Woods. Holy shit that poor bastard. All his money could not save him from his "former model" Wife who basically fucked him for a cool 100 Million. Now I am very certain that mister woods could have fucked for the rest of his life, young and beautiful hookers for just a small portion of that money. Then again...."hookers are baaaaaad" right kids?

I wish we could just stop playing but nature has us literally by the balls. Not playing a game where an unknown force that is potentially infinite is the master, is not really an option I'm afraid. We can only try to "balance" our position so that we do not get steamrolled by the "weak" gender.

[–]verify_account points points [recovered]

Stop looking for answers that can't be found. You're only going to get yourself down.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

too late I'm afraid. I acquired too much knowledge to return and not enough to make it count. I am doomed. Save yourself, dont follow me!

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Nothing has changed about female nature and sexual strategy in the last 10,000 years. The Manipulated Man made it clear that ALL women are basically prostitutes. You have a good point about the pussy bubble though. It is getting tough out there, even Tiger Woods, Charlie Sheen, Leonardo Dicaprio and billionaires rely heavily on hookers and sugar babies. Damn look at Evan Spiegel and Miranda Kerr. She is a used up, single mum, butter face who let Justin Bieber plow her old vagina and Speigel wifes her up, it is pathetic. Your comment is a sad as it is insightful, I am going to ask the mods to point you for this one.

[–]monkey_feces points points [recovered]

you can't change human nature. unless we face hardships, every time you meet a woman's expectations, all you are doing is setting a new baseline.

met expectations become the norm.

this burden of constantly improving a woman's life is on the man. that's the way she sees it, otherwise why would she selects for so many attributes and achievements.

you are her best ticket to a better life and the moment you deliver, she wants more.

that's why woman tend to behave better when everything goes to shit. emphasis on everything. like war as opposed to just you losing your job.

tldr we have too good and bitches can't be grateful

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

future generations will pay dearly for our mistakes. If we continue to allow the Pussy Bubble to become bigger and bigger, not only will our sons but also our daughters pay for it.

If at some point only a handful of men can afford Pussy, what will our women then do? they might be content of being just another Mistress of the "super Alpha" but will you be?

Will the 99% of "Betas" turn their frustration into "video gaming" or will they at some point turn to the all time classic vent of frustration...Violence? Will the "alphas" be still happy with themselves then or will they wish they could have done something to prevent this?

I wish I could just concern myself with my own issues but I just cant get rid of these questions.

[–]TruthInArt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably when my dick gives out.

[–]1nonthaki 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Take in the sadness. The sadness doesnt revolve only around women. Look around the world , ... How have you been lied to ? That looks dont matter ? . .. If you are a good person and work hard , you will have success more easier than a rich guy ? Our belief that our parents relationships are actually great, that they are attracted to each other even after all these years ? These kind of false illusions must be shattered. Look around the world. When you see that you have been living in an illusion, or that you have been lied to or been blind To it since birth , nothing matters anymore. The AWALT and evolutionary nature of women becomes just another small truth among the hundreds of other shattering truths about this world and in life. So move beyond . I have . I no longer believe in the concept of love . Will any woman have shown interest in you if you were a bum ? So, whatever women I meet and maybe marry , I will no longer feel love (and doing so has become natural to me). It will only be a contract and some friendship .

It all feels normal now, and I no longer feel sad. Just meditate on the things happening in this world and look deep and realize the truth, and you will come out unabashed and nonchalant and unflinching like the TRP lords and admins in here have become (for them this way of thinking has become natural).

As for your sadness , dont worry. Sex robots will come , they will reduce this apathetic situation to Some extent (betas will get less thirsty , value of pussy will lessen and thus ego of women will decrease). But even this might not be a foolproof case , . .. We will have to wait and see.

If you are sad about why women are not feeling any guilt in slutting around and not saving their virginity for a good guy, then i have to say , concept of morality is introduced by men and society. Its this concept of morality that does makes them feel guilty (its not thus an innate Quality, cucking to have a beta raise an alpha's child is evolutionary behaviour since prehistoric time) . But they bypass this guilt Using their own mental gymnastics and hamstering methods to convince themselves that they are right even if they did whatever is considered wrong by society' s standards . For e.g. if a married woman has sex with another Alpha guy , then she will play mental gymnastics and tell herself "Well, my husband wasn't satisfying me sexually. Its his job and thus its his fault. I am quite correct in what I did thus".

You can't fight with biology. You may get a woman who is a good person and represses her biological instants , or You may get a woman who doesnt mind cheating on You, or doesnt think of it as wrong, and thus wont repress her biological instincts. Thats all.

Ya, I have realized one more thing when i see beta men. The reason why even virgin women and low n-count women dont want virgin men maybe because women might wonder if he sucks that much he cant get a Woman, but now i am believing it could also be subconsciously or instinctive evolutionary behaviour that they look at such a guy and think if these women had a chance to slut around and become a non-virgin without any of the repercussions of society, just like men are not stigmatized for being non-virgins, then these women would have done with no Qualms . .. Ofcourse this proves AWALT, and also this could be the reason why they are disgusted by beta virgin men. If they had a chance, they would have done it and they completely believe in their ability to do it, even if they have never done before. . . so 'why cant this beta man do it ? ' ... The bells rings in her mind - > " ohh he must be pathetic ".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

While I agree with most of what you write, I am not so sure about the sex robots.

Not that they will not come, I am certain they will, but their effect might be different then what we expect.

Think about this scenario. We have lifelike sex robots (like in bladerunner) with programmable advanced AIs. They are better then any woman can be, they can be made practically perfect and they never age. Lets also say, that they are affordable for everyone like TVs.

This might mean that women will lose worth OR this might mean that women will gain worth. How so?

When everybody has a sex robot, then a sex robot is nothing special. Its nothing more then the sex dolls of today. Sure they are high tech but that does not matter since we get used to it (look at smartphones..they were once Sci-Fi now they are an everyday commodity) and so man will strive to get real women.

Any man with just sex robots will be considered losers and any man with a real woman will be considered "special". Since being branded a loser is equal to a woman being branded ugly, many men will also try to get real women. They will also believe that sex with a real woman is "soooo much better" even if it isnt. You will hear man saying "ah, its not like the real thing"

Bottom line, dont thrust too much in this theory. It has the potential to backfire.

[–]scarletspider3 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The "pussy bubble" is actually a very good term to describe the dating situation today. I guess that's what the MGTOW's are talking about.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

in the "Sex drugs and Rock n Roll" days, they were speaking of a "sexual revolution". It basically meant that sex was "freed" from its Dark Age binds.

Do you think you are free in your sexuality today as a man?

You still cant go to a Brothel without being branded as a "Loser", "Sinner" or "Lowlife Scum".

You still cant sleep with whomever you desire without having to pay for it. Either in eternal commitment or in blood if she has a bigger guy to pay you a visit. She however, can always take it up a level and become a professional who not only has lots of sex but is also paid for it. After she is done or is getting old, she just says "I was forced into it by big bad man" and will even get compensations from society for her "misfortune".

You are still the "rapist" no matter how "consenting adults" you were before she decided to continue fucking you up on another level. She on the other hand, is always the victim.

You are still nobody if you masturbate. While a womans masturbation is the "symbol of her sexual freedom".

If you are Homosexual or had any youth experiments (and you would be surprised how many hetero man had those) for most part you still better keep it to yourself or risk at the least social ridicule. While a woman sleeping with her girlfriend is her "finding her true feelings" and of course we men love it (this one is actually on us not on them).

Whatever "sexual revolution" happened, we got the short end of the stick.

[–]scarletspider3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For real. Where is our sexual freedom?

[–]discoverinterest 12 points13 points  (8 children)

I am confused by the purpose of this post.

Women want to fuck hot/masculine guys. For pleasure. Women want money. For her shoes, bags, etc. Women want kids. To satisfy human nature? To have a responsibility? Women want commitment. To satisfy their ego? To have comfort?

Although all of these are valuable to them, they are in a hurry to get the last two.

This guy wanted to continue spinning plates. He won’t give them monogamous commitment, money, and kids. Therefore, the girls chose to leave.

The women knew their value and capability to have kids is going down as time passes on. Also, their physical appearance will not improve over time. Therefore, they have no time to waste. That’s why they made new boyfriends, who were willing to give them commitment and money, immediately after they stopped hanging out with the guy. They have been banging hot/masculine guys before. They are confident they can find hot/masculine guys later.

The guy has lost these plates but there is no issue because he can just find new girls to fuck.

What was the surprise for the guy? What’s the new important lesson that he learned? I feel like I missed something. Can somebody help me understand?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The takeaway I got was don't be the beta guy that jumps at monogamy with a woman who just went down her roster and got a bunch of thanks but no thanks from "better" guys.

The likelihood is that beta bob who just cuffed this bitch thinks that he was the only one on her radar. Low and behold, she probably asked and was rejected by others (for commitment) before settling for beta bob.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I think The Red Pill is a legitimate answer to the hijacked, degenerate Cultural Marxist society we live in. It may satisfy us as men for a while, but I think we have a higher duty than bathing ourselves in dopamine released by sex. We have to save our Western White civilization. The Nuclear Family is the only way to save our people. It's sad to see this happening...

[–]scarletspider3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Females these days have been poisoned by feminism to be distrustful of the nuclear family. Because that would mean that the man/father would be the head and she would have to submit to him. So what they do now is ditch the biological father and get a step father that really has no say or rights and no matter what he does he'll always be an outsider.

[–]2awalt_cupcake[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Western civilization is dead and has been for a while. Like a dying sun, it'll take time for us to see it fade.

[–]Endorsed ContributorHarleyWalker 15 points16 points  (9 children)

The issue with the premise is that look at girl one:

she was banging this taller dude with tats and a bigger dick. When he didn't commit she tried her roster for commitment feeling used and hurt

You act like she only wanted commitment after she was reject but she clearly wanted commitment all along, she was just aiming for as high as she can go and like all modern women overestimated her value thinking because this guy will use her as a fuck sleeve she is on his level. Modern women pretty much only offer pussy because they refuse to learn feminine qualities which are actually good qualities for any person, like cleaning up after yourself or being able to cook.

The lessons here are the same as always, be the best that you can be, trust their actions not their words, etc. Posts like these still reek of anger phase beta qualities that miss the forest for the trees.

[–]2awalt_cupcake[S] 4 points5 points  (8 children)

You act like she only wanted commitment after she was reject but she clearly wanted commitment all along

I half agree. But I wouldnt pretend like I am her one true love. That's manipulative. Let's take that further by addressing the fact that I was not the only guy she was banging. Committing to a slut is risky. Who's to say she will stay faithful? She won't.

[–]Endorsed ContributorHarleyWalker 12 points13 points  (3 children)

You're definitely right there, but women will manipulate to get what they want, that's their nature. They're very malleable and will even believe their on rationalisations about why the guy they end up with is the best, I'm dealing with that myself right now. She says I'm her best ever and I believe she believes that but I believe in an objective reality, not a reality relative to her current perception when women manipulate their own perception so easily.

[–]1nonthaki 3 points4 points  (2 children)

That last part is the only thing ever needed to understand TRP.

[–]Chahhhles 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As the great scruffy from futurama says: Second.

[–]AnonymousAndLovinIt 4 points5 points  (3 children)

But I wouldnt pretend like I am her one true love.

Being aloof, having an abundance mentality and giving her the sex she wants is practically the same thing to women. Too many guys think that simply because they have not expressed interest than they have not led her to believe anything. Women do not think like that.

As far as the girls in your post are concerned, they are simply shooting for the most stable relation with the highest value mate they can find. Nature 101.

[–]2awalt_cupcake[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Ok so she has many one true loves. Don't add up.

[–]AnonymousAndLovinIt 4 points5 points  (1 child)

She has many "prospects", and she's evaluating them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everyone is a prospect to her because in her mind she is a 10.

The reality is likely she is ready to get married and have babies and she will go through all the guys she has fucked in order of value to her until she finds one that satisfies her commitment desires.

It has NOTHING to do with the guy. It's 100% solipsism and "I want now!" Like a child who wants a toy.

[–]akolyteofthecentury 22 points23 points  (0 children)

How she acts:

To girls, we as men are not people but toys to be possessed. Flesh dildos that cum money.

What she says:

Oh. my. GOD. You're, like literally objectifying me you right now misogynist pig!

[–]donkey_democrat 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Both girls and boys have been robbed of a proper education on gender relations in our modern society. I feel like if only these girls were taught by a good mother how to behave, they wouldn't be acting in such a shitty and desperate manner.

[–]ytfromsnwcrsh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

the role model they get at home is terrible. The daughters see their single/divorced mothers riding the CC and colecting alimony, it passes as normal expected behavior. The mothers never acknoledge her mistakes and flaws, blaming the father, who is not there to defend his side. Also boys are almost exclusively educated by females these days, wich pass on to them this vision of how a woman should behave. They grow up finding normal to be considered responsable for relationship failure, to be the workhorse without proper appreciation and lose almost everything they own in court in case of divorce.

[–]alphasaif 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Damn. Thanks man. You really opened my eyes wide awake. This form of classifed information is absolutely essential for every man to know. Thanks again. Stay safe men..

[–]redpillrobby 2 points3 points  (10 children)

I think you make a mistake when you tell a girl you are non-monogomous and that it's ok if she is too. It's not ok for her to be non-monogomous. She's a woman. No good woman sleeps with multiple men at once. A good man does though. My message to plates is this "I am a real man. I sleep with as many women as I want and it's none of your business. Take it or leave it. As for you, if I ever find out you've let another man touch you, we're done."

That double standard shit actually works for me. It's crazy.

[–]Newreddawn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I lived that way for awhile too, it's really fun even if it is unfair. Game changer is when you start successfully landing higher smv women. Push yourself to get some younger and hotter girls, like lifting when you are easily crushing it you need to move up in weight and challenge yourself

[–]redpillrobby 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no such thing as fair. If you ask a girl if she'd like the opportunity to be ONE of the girls who dates Brad Pitt she wouldn't hesitate to take a tiny piece of that pie and not ask anything in return. Be that guy and they'll just be glad they've been invited.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

How would you know if a plate fucks other dudes?

[–]redpillrobby 0 points1 point  (6 children)

You wouldn't. What's your point?

[–]--Edog-- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lesson learned: It's okay for the GUY to be one of her many options (and easily replaced) but when a guy treats a lady like that, he is "USING" her for sex. Sure.

[–]TheLegionnaire00 15 points16 points  (48 children)

A man should only settle down with a woman that was virgin when he meet her.

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (27 children)

Not possible anymore. By 18 a girl has fucked 10 men.

[–]iwasbornred 22 points23 points  (24 children)

Lol super rare but obviously not nonexistent.

I have this strange paradox where I'm an atheist and am not really attracted to religious women(just don't really take anyone seriously if they believe in sky wizard stuff but I digress) but I've considered probing into religious social circles to try to find less promiscuous women. Obviously I know being Christian or whatever isn't any guarantee of not being slutty, but there are certainly people who have been raised with strong Christian ideals and actually don't have sex at all before marriage.

[–]2Overkillengine 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Be very wary. Some of the biggest hoes I've known wore a crucifix. A "good" social circle just means she has more incentive to lie and manipulate in order to keep her status within it, and if she is still there, it means she has been successful so far.

[–]iwasbornred 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh of course there's plenty of them. But there are certainly women who actually take religion seriously. As an atheist I'm super fucked cus I don't like naive or slutty...

[–]_the_shape_ 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Makes total sense.

Which one of us wants a woman who fundamentally operates along the lines of "nothing is true; everything is permitted"? And I say this as an agnostic myself.

There's little doubt that hypergamous impulses stand a better chance of being kept in check by a religious girl than one lacking any sort of faith (but only a fool or typical blue-piller would be led to believe that a faith, religion or ideology could fully suppress the power of her emotions)

[–]iwasbornred 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not just her "emotions", but her very basic and correct biological instinct. Lota dudes on here bitch about how these hoes ain't loyal but:

Why the fuck should she be loyal to YOU?

Most men that get cheated on, taken advantage of, divorce raped, or w/e basically deserve it.

[–]TheLegionnaire00 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Well, I'm from a conservative ultra-religious Easter European country. Here women are less degenerate than those in the west, but still, those who are still virgins after 20 years are just nuts/damaged. Even though you still find girls 18 and 19 virgins, but they tend to be reluctant when you want to escalate, so isn't really worth the time if you don't want a LTR.

But I don't know if it's because of the religion or just because in general my country is more Conservative... Or because, as people around here are saying: we are 50 years behind the west.

[–]iwasbornred 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Are you really "behind" the west though?


Obviously there are probably things about MURICA that are better than your country(whichever it is) and I wouldn't wana live outside the US but there are certainly reasons to travel.

I think many men view any female who doesn't just immediately jump into bed with them as some manipulative bitch trying to use sex to get you to commit or a prude. Maybe she just doesn't like you that much, or she really has strong morals about only having sex with someone you trust and care about.

As far as virgins only being worth it if you're looking for an LTR-well I mean duh obviously it's not worth putting in all kinds of effort that other men have undoubtedly tried too on pussy you haven't even tried yet if the only goal is pump and dump

[–]TheLegionnaire00 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Well, in some points my country is better than some western countries(no terror attack/shootings, unified state, conservative people, some kind of religious morality left etc.).

But the list of bad things is far too long, from shitty roads to corruption(even though, you can use that to your advantage) and bad economy, from mobsters to stupid politicians who fight with the secret services for power, while taxing me like hell.

But overall I can't complain. I'm doing better than most people in my country, so I can say I'm more fortunate than others because of a series of fortunate events(even though I also started as a kid from a poor family).

[–]iwasbornred 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Makes sense. Pros and cons almost everywhere I guess

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Change super rare to you have a better shot at finding intelligent life on another planet other than earth and you'd be more accurate.

[–]iwasbornred 11 points12 points  (8 children)

Lol some of you guys are ridiculous. You can't go around dropping any bitch that doesn't put out on the first date cus you ain't getting beta bux cucked but then complain none of these women are virgins.

Have you tried religious women? How about extremely high achieving super-athletes, super-nerds, w/e that haven't had time for boys? Or how about just women that aren't extremely sexual, may be shy or may have lower hormones or whatever and just didn't happen to get there yet?

I'm not saying it's easy but this idea that it's 99.9999999999999% and if you find a virgin it's like the fucking holy grail is just dumb. Ive noticed lots of guys almost putting virgins on a pedestal like any girl that hasn't had sex yet at a certain age is some amazing person that has amazing self control and just understands her responsibility to save herself for their super special penis.

In reality, there's probably some unhealthy reasons if a girl is a certain age and still a virgin.

[–]TheSmashingPumpkinss 3 points4 points  (1 child)

agreed, plus, if you manage to bed a virgin, the sex WILL be bad, and the fact that she has made it that long without having sex means 99/100 her sex drive will not be as strong as mine.

that fantasy was crushed the first time I lived it out.

2/3 partners from LTRs is perfect, but just as rare as a virgin

[–]iwasbornred 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right. It's obviously more about who the person is and their values. There are women out there who are slutty as fuck when single but will actually be committed to not cheating in a relationship. Obviously the loyalty quality is more common in non-sluts(relatively obviously we know they're all sluts) but that doesn't mean there isn't a single woman who is promiscuous outside of relationships and faithful inside them.

Basically, having sex with a lot of men isn't inherently immoral and indicative of bad character-just trends are trends and reality is reality, hypergamy and all.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

The fact that you mentioned religious women is pretty funny to me. They fuck too.

Even in Iraq the women do anal.

I'm must talking shit here, and I personally have no issue with sluts. I love them. However, if your goal is to find and marry a virgin (that's attractive) , we will probably be living on Mars before you get married .

Also, I don't get the fascination with virgins. Between the blood. Pain and awkwardness, I avoided them as a teenager.

[–]iwasbornred 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I didn't claim any religious woman is a good bet. But there are more than plenty of women who follow old religious traditions of not fucking before marriage.

Men who go to nightclubs every weekend and then claim all women are whores are likely missing an important point: you're a whore too, and non-whores tend to avoid whores.

P.S. this ain't an anti-AWALT argument it's an anti-virgins don't exist argument. AWALT applies to virgins and if you think it doesn't you're kidding yourself.

[–]iwasbornred 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I believe the fascination with virgins is 100% insecurity. The fact that you are only willing to settle with a virgin indicates that you know if they tried others you wouldn't measure up.

[–]1nonthaki 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Be wary of high achieving, no time for relationship Women, the most. Most probably crazy fucked up, with kinks and fetishes, and may already have a fwb , And worst of all, you will never be good enough for her, cause she is " high achieving". Personal experience, bro.

Also, some girls who act all perfect in school and society and score the highest in their education, and at first sight, have nothing wrong to be pointed at , . ... They have other outlets to let out their biological instincts ... Sexting, bisexuality and what not. And when they finally become free of the inspection of looming society, they will become rampaging sluts.

[–]iwasbornred 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. Although I also don't have too much interest in women that aren't high achieving

[–]1nonthaki 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Ya ya. Do you know how many Christian non-virgin women walk the aisle during marriage ("holy matrimony") wearing a white wedding dress, even though the white dress signifies purity, virginity etc ?

They lie to their own religion.

[–]iwasbornred 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Lol just because the white dress symbolizes purity and virginity does not make them liars

Dude your shoulders must be coming out of the sockets with that kind of reaching

[–]1nonthaki 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No, i am not pointing to whether such a woman should/should not wear the dress. What i meant is that women are able to convince themselves their minds are afresh, young and new, even if they are actually having their 2nd, 3rd or 4th marriage, or regardless of the fact that they have lost the ability to pair bond after riding through 100 guys . They believe their own bullshit, just like we do, but Maybe what they really crave is the image marriage gives out - the lush weddings, attention etc, . .. god knows .

[–]iwasbornred 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course, marriage is a status thing and many people in society due to their arrogance and belief that their way of viewing something is correct will look down on an older person that is unmarried, man or woman.

[–]iwasbornred 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Additionally: at no point did I claim that a religious girl is def going to be a non-slut or virgin.

The point is these religions teach certain values and morals related to sex, and SOME people take it seriously. With the amount of pseudo-Christians(you know, they go to mass on Easter and xmas and wear cross necklaces but have read the bible about as much as their schoolbooks) today it's obviously a small percentage of them. But there are those who take it seriously.

Idk if I could even handle a religious woman as an atheist because the whole thing turns me off, but for some guys who are specifically looking for women they know will be faithful, deeply religious isn't the worst place to start.

[–]AwakenedSovereign 14 points15 points  (11 children)

I'll do you one better

A man should only 'settle down' for the sake of creating trueborn progeny and a stable family. The illusion of monogamy is a pointless pursuit designed to replace the emotional umbilical you had with mommy.

[–]Frigzy 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Lol. I just had a crazy thought.

The ultimate dad. Guy freezes his sperm, goes monogamoes and raises his kids. Once they're grown, divorce and do it over again with your preserved goods and a fresh woman. Rinse and repeat until you're too old. Let's say you could get 3 families out of it if you're dedicated.

Obviously few men would ever want to live such a life, but if you're set on spreading your genes in a children-worthy way, this is pretty legit. Completely mental, but legit.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Dude, guys can get women pregnant until they're 70. After that it's an issue.

edit : Looks like you'll make fucked up baby. Freeze that shit son.

[–]Frigzy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, male genes also become more fucked over time unfortunately.

[–]dandons points points [recovered]

I am a firm believer in eugenics, and I think only intelligent and handsome men should be allowed to do such a thing.

[–]Frigzy 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Well this pretty much goes for every single child. Unfortunately, these days its usually the dumb irresponsible welfare state supported retards who get a fuckton of kids who then whine about the 'privilege' of children who had responsible parents.

[–]dandons points points [recovered]

Yea I think the government should do something about that. Forced vasectomies for the worst guys in the hood. They probably wouldn't even mind, because it would let them go ahead and have sex with whoever they want without having to pay for kids.

[–]Frigzy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I agree with the eugenics thing in theory but in practice it's really tough figuring out actual measures without fucking things up one way or another. I can see how the vasectomies could lead to an increase in STDs and sexual transgressive behavior for instance.

Maybe something along the lines of fertility and maturity tests, which you can take before pregnancy and get massive financial benefit from if you pass it and get pregnant within the next 5 years or something.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

maybe offering a much lighter sentence for some crimes when offender agrees to vasectomy. problem solved!

[–]dandons points points [recovered]

I guess they better legalize marriage to 13 year old girls then, huh.

[–]scarletspider3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Females these days are completely delusional. I once knew a female that been fucked by 3 guys at the job (at least that I was aware of). She once came up to me and was asking me all of the screening questions that girls ask when they're interested. The only thing was that she was asking in a future tense for when I finish school. These females are so delusional that they think they could get completely ran through and then when I finish school and I'm the man that I actually gonna save them.

[–]maxforshort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You all place value on a woman's virginity, but then are upset when she expects something in return? Aren't you all listing the value of the commodity on your own? And if so, then why are you surprised when she wants something in return for putting out?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

what's a chinese chicken sampler?

[–]damnsonny69 points points [recovered]

When you go to the mall and there's 2 chinese fast-food places next to each other and they have the young new guy outside the booth handing out free chicken samplers.

[–]BonelessSkinless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Except in this instance the new guy handing out free chicken samples is that girl you like that you've been jacking off to for a week and staring at her pics on your phone. During this time she's busy showing her vagina to other men.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Remember men she only wants monogomy when she's already been giving out pussy like a Chinese chicken sampler at the mall.

all humor aside, this is true for the majority of women. not all of course, but one of the behaviors that i've witnessed that repeat themselves over and over is this particular one.

remember, girls just wanna have fun. when the wall gets nearer that's when they'll start flipping pages in their book of exes (you know those guys that they told "i'm just not ready for anything serious right now, i want to experience new things (cocks) in life") to see if they can lock one of the good guys down.

one tip, if an old ex comes back out of the blue trying to get back together - run.

[–]SugarGrass 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Dude I'm so sorry you've been treated like this by manipulative women. I hope you find a good one sooner rather than later. Redpilled women exist, as I am one and have been in a stable relationship for 3 years. I have only been with 2 men in my life, and I wish I had only been with my current bf. We intend on marrying within the next 4 years. We are both conservative and met in college. I only know 3 or 4 other women who share my views and lifestyle but we exist. Maybe look in the physical science field. I'm a physicist and he's a mathematician. The only women I know who are decent are in those fields (one in geology, one in astronomy, one in chemistry) and I do have a limited social field to be fair. Very hard to find us though, I can't stand 99% of other women, they're shallow and manipulative, impossible to befriend as they'll stab you in the back. :/ Try checking out some of subs like femininenotfeminist or womenfortrump or pm me. Good luck dude!

[–]SugarGrass -1 points0 points  (3 children)

maybe I'm unwelcome as a female here, but I hope I could maybe give someone some hope. Or at least share my annoyance on how 'good women' don't exist anymore. It's sad how suddenly when a woman wants to be modest and a home maker and raise children she's a traitor to her gender. Biologically women are meant to nurture. Yeah I have a career now but as soon as my husband wants to start a family that will be my priority. Plus I'd love to have female friends but all they bloody talk about is what guy they're targeting or how to dress sluttier. It makes me sick.

[–]antariusz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd report your post, but I'm on a mobile app that doesn't allow it.

You're not welcome unless you read the rules. You clearly are breaking one of them, explicitly and directly.

[–]thechaosz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How does this apply to hypergamy though. If they are looking for the next best thing and seeing to move up? If they find a better looking/higher value/etc man but they went control him, how does this mesh with this message?

[–]2awalt_cupcake[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

hypergamy can be subdued by temporary exclusivity from a new relationship.

[–]thechaosz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your response

[–]richardguy 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So girl #2 actually really likes you and wants to be with you on a more permanent basis and.... no?

Don't get me wrong, I can respect that, but it seems like there is something I'm missing here. You think she's looking for a sugar daddy as she is a very sweet girl and quite feminine. Do you think maybe she's just into you hardcore?

[–]2awalt_cupcake[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

She has multiple sugar daddies. Her words. Not mine.

[–]richardguy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ah, ok. Yeah, if she's not willing to be monogamous too no point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if she was willing to be monogamous, OP knows she is banging a variety of different guys.

Would YOU wife up a woman who you knew slept with 4 or 5 other dudes last month?

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[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (0 children)


I think you waste your life with the "Enjoy the Decline" mindset.

Switch to:


  • Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill mythology.


In other words the pursuit of hedonism is and always will be a dead end. Plates will lose interest because they realize it's a waste of time to be with you and get on with living their own lives.

Better to switched to the Amused Mastery mindset and actually use your Game skill to bend the women into creatures under your control.

By definition a Plate is a woman you have no control over as she is motivated only by her own hedonism.

Hedonism is a weak bond... it's next to nothing.

Ideally we want that masculine-to-feminine dynamic where she is the well trained girl and you enjoy being her master.

Plates are just random sluts... not trained... loosely affiliated.


Somehow I think a lot of guys stuck in this hedonism obsession believe they are proving something by doing it. Probably the best thing is to wake up and realize all the "proving" means nothing. No one cares how much hedonism you experience... no one cares how much cake you force into your mouth.


  • The stoic mindset is the opposite of hedonism.


[–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You can see this from both perspectives. I get your point for not wanting to be monogamous, and they probably hoped to be that with you. Since they didn't see any future with you, they hopped to something where they have security. It only makes sense.

Having plates and fucking around is fun, but there are people who would prefer a single partner to invest everything in too. I have work, I have my own things I want to do in my free time, and when I had to maintain 3 plates I found it a nightmare. Now I just have a main one and a orbiter I see occasionally and it works just about right for me.

But maybe because just fucking doesn't do it really for me. Eventually it gets normal and you just wish for something more exciting like downhill mountainbiking or whatever. That's just me.

As for the women just getting a boyfriend the next day, you were as much of a plate for them as they were for you. She just stringed them along until they decided who will become the boyfriend. You didn't become it, so number 2 did, and since you weren't available, number 2 was the next best thing.

It's a buyers market for women, they get countless offers and they pick the best.

[–]2awalt_cupcake[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No woman stays monogamous. No woman respect a monogamous man. They need dread. They need to know they can be replaced.

[–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's called taking things for granted. Stability is boring, and getting bored leads to behaviour to disrupt that. Even jumping on another cock in inside another pussy.

Noone stays monogamous.

[–]Newreddawn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dread and monogamy are not mutually exclusive. You can be monogamous and still field attention from other women. They may actually see it as more of a threat because they know if the other woman gets you, there won't be anything left for her.

[–]Thegymismyhome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Giving out pussy like chicken at the mall"

Greatest quote about these hoes...

[–]Newreddawn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm confused. You say that some of these women want monogamy because giving away the pussy for free didn't give them what they wanted. We all know women desire commitment. But if they were "giving away the pussy" for commitment, doesn't that mean they wanted monogamy in the first place? Monogamy has always been their goal. They just wanted monogamy with a more valuable male.

Girl one is clearly a case of this. Girl two is similar, looking to get commitment from higher value men but then settled for a poly situation until she rejected it in search of, you guessed it, commitment. Girl three couldn't get it from you, so she compromised her standards all in the name of commitment.

Monogamy is the exact opposite of a last minute precaution for women. They desire it innately, but only with men they truly respect. What you're pointing out is how easily they compromise their standards to achieve this monogamy.

I think some girls really are driven insane by the thought of, or a short ride on, the carousel. So much that they would rather lower standards to be with a boyfriend than be a cock jumping whore.

It's fucked up either way, she'll either date losers or have casual sex with winners. Either way she's damaged goods. All the more reason to land em when they're young, gents. Higher chance of being in that situation where you and the girl are both getting what you want. Thanks for the post!

[–]Stonish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it actually possible to stay RP while being in monogamous relationship? Or will it always lead to entering girls frame as she is the one who would like you to be her own?

[–]Stythe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This happened with the ex that landed me here. Shed contact me occasionally for an emotional pick me up and when I didn't budge she'd bail. Last time was last valentine's day. I got back to her a week later. After it was clear she wasn't going to get my attention she stopped talking. Shortly after she was in a relationship. It was funny.

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