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Red Pill ExampleMy girlfriend continues to present TRP stuff. This is intense...She described women's break-up, get-over-a-man strategy and basically said all women are manipulative, and men are stupid for thinking they'll find a non-manipulative, perfect woman who "loves them for who they are." (self.TheRedPill)

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Here are my actual notes; they're not edited for superior legibility. I want to give as accurate an idea of what all she said as I can.

" [Name] says women go through a break-up process to get over men

  1. Selective memory. [Name at least, is aware of this. She says women will play up the bad parts of the relationship, try to forget the good stuff, use the horns effect to take the place of the halo effect, and decide after the fact that their boyfriend was an asshole. It also helps to talk to others about how bad the ex is.
  2. Women re-establish/play up their value by getting validation from other men, showing themselves that they are attractive,
  3. Get revenge, even in very specific ways, not just getting hot. [name] says she wants to read [several things I've been wanting her to read learn Spanish, and...something else along with just improving her body.
  4. She says women need to frame improvements in a way that they don't acknowledge that the reason she needs to improve is because she has flaws. She says that the re-framing need not be impressive, any flimsy excuse will do with only a hint of plausible deniability. She says "It's so easy" in reference to not thinking very hard about the self-deception to see through it. Her go-to idea is reframing "I need to lose weight" not as "because I'm fat" but to "get revenge on the ex." Then just not think too hard about it. Again, "It's so easy," as she says.

Then she said:

"All men are like 'I'm going to find a woman who's perfect in every way, and who's not manipulative, and 'loves me for who I am' and then three years later, you know what? You're going to find out, she's manipulative, too.'" - all of this in a mocking high-pitched voice, while making stupid-looking body language."


[–]Shakydrummer 223 points224 points  (24 children)

Doesn't surprise me. I had a whole bunch of people delete me off their social networking and such despite my last LTR being the cheater and subsequent branch swinger. Boohoo.

It doesn't matter how nice you are, you're still going to be an asshole by the end of it according to them. A woman, and especially an immature one, can only see themselves as a victim, so they hamster and tell their friends about how terrible it was until they have everyone, including themselves, buying their bullshit in the fact that anything and everything they did was just and okay. Then they go find another poor sap to control while seeking validation from everyone else so that they can say they did the right thing.

Seriously, if any girl goes 'all my exes were assholes' that should be a huge red flag.

That be said, as a man, you should genuinely not give two flying fucks about what they say or do, and continue on your way. Women need closure, men move on. Anyone who ties their association to you based off of your current LTR is a waste of your time in every capacity anyway.

Acknowledging that yeah, when our heart gets stabbed, it fucking hurts, but you deal with it in a non destructive way, and double up by going to find other, more attractive women to fuck.

[–]themallot1 104 points105 points  (11 children)

Current plate wanted me to wait to have sex because past guys were "assholes". I put a stop to that reap quick. Told her that it's her own responsibility for her past and it's her job to decide who she sleeps with. It's not my problem if she didn't do it very well.....and I won't wait to have sex if I'm not interested.....she quickly changed from "make you wait" to " I want to get to know you better and feel comfortable". I told her that was understandable and showed comfort. We ended up having sex on the second date with little effort. We've had sex every single time we've been together. Basically I'm trying to say I forced her to take responsibility for choosing "assholes" that didn't want to commit.

[–]Captainfap1337 points points [recovered]

Yeah that's a standard shit test no? Every girl says something along those lines, but will bang the guy they say it to if he can hold frame.

[–]MileHighC 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Almost every I've ever had sex with, with maybe 2 exceptions, has told me we're not having sex. "Sure we can go get in my bed, but we're not having sex!"

Yeah okay bitch

[–]showerdudes99 13 points14 points  (1 child)

"We can go to bed and you can rub the tip of your cock against my pussy but we're not having sex!"

[–]DontTreadOnSnek 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"You can fuck me, but we're not having sex!"

[–]hivemond points points [recovered]

Current plate wanted me to wait to have sex

(told her) I won't wait to have sex if I'm not interested

This made me think of a possible response to the old "we're not having sex tonite" shit test...

"What makes you think I want to have sex w you tonite if I'm not even sure if I'm interested in you yet?"

How's that?

[–]1takethedive 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's too overt and aggressive. Maybe it'd have the desired effect on a Bitch Queen 10, but 7s, 8s, even 9s would get defensive and insecure. You can't blast away comfort like that when what she's asking you for covertly is reassurance that she's not just another pump and dump. It's counterintuitive.

[–]majaka1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I usually go with the trusty "I'm so glad you're not going to pressure me into losing my virginity so quickly. Besides, I really want my mother to approve of you before our big night".

Something along those lines has almost always flipped the script and I've never had issues.

As you said, most of the times this shit test is looking for comfort to make sure you're not just trying to pump and dump.

Ignore this tactic if it's a tinder/ONS.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 20 points21 points  (0 children)

All exes are assholes by default. The red flags are having a lot of exes and talking about them.

[–]Phoenixtorment 32 points33 points  (0 children)

It doesn't matter how nice you are, you're still going to be an asshole by the end of it according to them

For those who had 'girlfriends' in elementary school. As soon as it was over, you were the devil for a period, no matter who ended it.

Women will always be children emotionally.

[–]Docbear64 14 points15 points  (1 child)

The only thing I find more fascinating is when a woman tells everyone how monstrous and evil the guy she was with is but then there relationship changes again ( they get back together , they've fucked, whatever) and all of a sudden " Oh he wasn't that bad " , " Everybody is just so overprotective he's not perfect but neither am I" . They go from " My Ex was literally Hitler " to " We just hit a small rough patch but we're fine now" in about 10 seconds. The first times I witnessed this it made no sense but it's just another example of the female mind and "living in the moment"

[–]redpillrobby 7 points8 points  (1 child)

The solution to that is simple: don't be nice. Actually be an asshole. Then she won't go anywhere and she'll tell everyone you're a God.

[–]LOST_TALE[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

good that social networking was trash; sometimes you want to keep the business networking though.

[–]Shakydrummer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm a pretty heavy user of it too, just cause I tie it in with being in the local music scene and such. It helps. Honestly half of them I didn't even notice deleted me, but a couple of them I was like fuck you were kinda cool. People take that shit wayyy too seriously though, social networking is a tool, not a time suck. Oh well, onwards and upwards!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Anyone who ties their association to you based off of your current LTR is a waste of your time in every capacity anyway.

I don't understand this sentence could you please explain more?

[–]Shakydrummer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

People who don't have the maturity to allow a friendship to grow with you, as in their friendship or association with you depended entirely upon how your LTR was feeling on any particular day. It happens alot in relationships though, totally not unusual.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yes, I see. I've had LTRs before where one week we're dating and I'm "the one" and then a week later she breaks up with me and I dont see her again. It's like you just got rid of your "best friend", how?

Thanks for the reply

[–]Mr-Ed209 148 points149 points  (9 children)

Closure is TRP, no point reading into any of the contrived BS she has to say. Seriously any guy who's new to these things should get sent to read threads like these and see how universal girls behaviours are after break ups.

2 years ago girl cheated on me with a 'friend'. I called her out very harshly and cut all contact. She tried for 3 months to reconcile and get me back. I didn't really care, she wasn't the best looking or the best of company..

I went travelling and returned to the town around 8 months later. My friends still work with her. She brought it up to her girl friends at work - 'i saw mr-ed is back, I can't believe he's not even messaged me. He's such a dick...'

Her girl friend (who knew exactly what went down) told my guy room mate, who then told me. Whatever i thought, not getting involved in any of that shit again..

One day i'm out for drinks with that work crew - cheater girl isn't around. I'm getting on well with the girls and being eye fucked by two of them.

  • Girl - 'Mr-ed what exactly happened with you and X'
  • Me - 'ahh, it just didn't work out.'

The girls at drinks continued to pry, not maliciously. Definitely influenced by pre-selection that their friend was so 'hung up' on me.

Guy room mate then told me that next day at work the girls from drinks were asking X all day about me and what happened. Again she used the 'he's such a dick, i can't believe you guys like him'. She kept it up and was generally just shitting on my character until my room mate cracked. -

  • 'Well you did fuck one of his best friends why are so fucking surprised?'
  • Girl blushing 'oh, yeah i did something i shouldn't have..'

Apparently she went home early and was crying. Girls from drinks loved the drama.

WOMEN..

[–][deleted] 62 points63 points  (1 child)

Good on the roommate for defending you. I have the feeling that women love drama because without it, their lives would feel a lot emptier and not as "exciting"

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Not giving enough evolutionary credit. Generally the shitty behavior of any thing is a product of its present and evolutionary environment. I still love reading about how cutthroat women are in relationships, but it's no different than how men literally kill each other over everything, including over women. They're not doing it on purpose, it's just what they are. Like a dog that lives for being pet or a cat who hates it.

"Ah women... they make the highs higher, and the lows more frequent." - NIetzsche

[–]Cunt_Robber 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Thanks to TRP, nothing females do in sex and dating surprises me anymore. Ive read about it all here and experienced a good bit myself. Glad Im young and now see marriage as a shitty excuse for getting comfortable and for not being your best to attract other girls. Men are waking up to the reality, finally.

[–]bigk12345 23 points24 points  (1 child)

This was the toughest part to swallow.

That the fact your perfect unicorn was giving out sex like it is candy on Halloween, but she is changed now and she wants to marry you. That they build rules for you because you are so special.

But in reality, it is not about you. You are her cashing out prize. You are her last resort because that hot stud she fucked in Cancun might not offer her the light of day anymore because he has other younger girls that find him attractive.

Women do not even hide it anymore, and why would they?

[–]Cunt_Robber 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"like candy on halloween." That is one fucking accurate simile. "But she is changed now" - that gave me a good laugh too, and whenever a girl tells me that in conversation the only thing I want to do is throw my head back and laugh out loud, then get serious and tell them not to insult my intelligence. The game is up. But god do I love whores

[–]gg_s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact that she went home early annoys the hell out of me.

[–]Cojath points points [recovered]

Why didn't you just tell them? Saying "ahh, it just didn't work out" is passive and vague. Be direct and tell them she cheated. No need to for this build up and to put on a show.

[–]askmrcia 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Generally to avoid drama. Plus he's a man so the woman usually always have more people on her side defending her.

So lets say he just said "yea she out right cheated on me."

Those people will go back and ask the ex if that was true. The ex will lie and say shit like "oh he misinterpreted a text in my phone, oh it was just a kiss and I was drunk, oh he's a liar and he cheated, I caught him cheating first so we broke up and I started sleeping with whoever..." ect...

You get the idea. This has happened to me quite a few times as well. Girl I dated cheated on me, then goes around and tells all of our friends that I was an asshole, I was controlling, I was texting too much and all this shit and then said by the time she hooked up with whoever, that her and I already broken up (not true).

Lost my entire social circle over her (it turned out to be the best thought)

So in these situations, you just want to avoid telling everyone what really went down and just be the mature one and say "we just didn't work out." If she wants to be the bitch and blast you, while you're playing it cool, trust me eventually everyone will see through that shit.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 41 points42 points  (4 children)

Selective memory. [Name], at least, is aware of this. She says women will play up the bad parts of the relationship, try to forget the good stuff, use the horns effect to take the place of the halo effect, and decide after the fact that their boyfriend was an asshole. It also helps to talk to others about how bad the ex is

Very insightful! Seems obvious like that, but never put one and one together before. Definitely explains how they move on fast (war bride dynamic), and why every time, it appears their ex was an "abusive asshole".

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 44 points45 points  (3 children)

this is also to elicit whiteknight protective sympathy from you.

whenever a girl says "he was an asshole" you just say "he sounds hot".

[–]1empatheticapathetic 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Damn that's awesome.

"Have you got his number?"

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I dunno... presenting yourself as possibly gay. This can work, or not, depending on the rest of your personality.

The point about "he sounds hot" is to show you're not falling for her AF/BB lies. You know that "my asshole ex" was really Chad, and you will not be filling the rescuer role.

I've done this and it's great.... just cuts right through her bullshit to the real facts, and it's funny.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If she thinks I'm gay I doubt she's interested in the first place.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

The old saying "men are stupid, women are crazy" will always be valid.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (50 children)

Because of the Gynocentrism of society (and I noticed the preferential treatment long before I heard that term or 'female imperative') I used to think an attractive women literally had it all and I was really quite irritated by their existence (but not hateful, never be hateful) because these are people who just by dint of being born attractive seem to get the world handed to them on a platter and they seem quite happy to shit on everyone beneath them despite their good fortune.

But in recent years, as I've gotten older, I see some of the women I know age with me - very poorly - and it completely changed my perspective.

A man that takes care of himself can have the appearance of youth and the trappings of risk and adventure more or less indefinitely whilst, the ever nebulous "society", brands a woman an failure for not securing a husband or a family by a certain age (Feminists won't but who listens to them?) and once you've "spent" your youth there is no getting it back.

I really do feel for ugly women though and - you might be interested to know - on Tumblr and elsewhere there are a lot of them saying things like "I always prefer to be around men because at least they're respectful to you, women just treat you like garbage if you're not Barbie-pretty like they are." - and I do believe that's true.

There truly is a lot of dickhead women out there slapping on the make-up like it's going out of style and endlessly flirting their way into miserable spinsterhood.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 36 points37 points  (48 children)

I really do feel for ugly women though

Men have it worse.

Women date UP. Average women do just fine in the dating market. Only about 5% men dating easy, and only if they have their head together..

5/10 women do MUCH better than 5/10 men. Ugly women get laid. Ugly men not so much.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I love when people speak out of both sides if their mouth regarding this issue.

They will claim that dating is so much easier for men, but at the same time not even flinch when someone jokes about a guy being a lonely virgin.

The fact is that even the ugliest woman nay! even a man who decides he is now a woman and has his dick cut off, has an easier time getting laid than a below average straight male.

[–]askmrcia 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I honestly don't even see how anyone and I mean anyone can argue that women men have it easier when it comes to dating. Men, YOUNG MEN are literally killing themselves because they can't get dates or even get laid.

There are men that made millions selling books teaching guys just how to TALK to women let alone get them in your bed.

We have terms called incels, TFL and herbivore men being directly aimed at MEN not women. Hell there was a fuckin movie called 40 year old virgin that was a hit.

The only women that can't get laid are fat. All they have to do is stop eating shit and stop being lazy and they will have boyfriends and sex partners. We can't say the same about men. There are many guys out there who look good, dress well, and may even be a 7/10 and will still have the hardest time in dating market compared to women.

[–]disgruntledearthling 7 points8 points  (1 child)

The only women that can't get laid are fat.

They're still getting laid. Thirst has no bounds.

[–]DontTreadOnSnek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

can confirm, was chatting with some guy at a bar and his whale of a girl friend showed me her tinder - 56 matches and all the dudes wanted to fuck this 300+ pound beached whale.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (9 children)

I'd have to know what you'd class as a 5/10 before I could agree but I never said I didn't feel bad for men too or that they didn't have it worse.

Regardless of that though, a man arguably has time on his side and far more ways of improving his SMV. If a woman's face is fucked then that's pretty much it for her, IMO.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Disagree with that, and i've seen the "tables being turned" so many times as well. Like a girl i had classes with at the age 13-14 looked so washed up in her face to the point where she looked ill, bad body and no breasts. Today, she looks attractive af. Her face is super cute, her ass is T H I C C and she has slightly over average breasts id say. And besides that shes intelligent and doesnt sound like a complete retard. And on the other hand ive seen girls that were considered the hottest babes at the age of 14-15 fall HEAVILY off by the time theyre 18-19 at which point they will then see if they can settle for a LTR / marriage because they know they're scuffed. And i've seen this happen to a whole class that had 7-8 HBs and now they look washed up / average.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children)

Indeed, but that's not an argument I'm making.

I wasn't discussing age or the development of attractive features, just saying I feel bad for ugly women (more broadly speaking ugly people) because there's less options open to them for building attractiveness in terms of personal developments, good job etc - men don't look for those types of thing in a woman, again broadly speaking.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I'd say becoming independent financially, not being a whiny bitch, becoming intelligent/smart would increase her SMV ALOT for men wants to commit deeper than just fucking her twice. Work out on top of that and she may even look more attractive, be reasonably fit and get a good squat-ass will add alot of value to scuffed women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

We're having like several arguments at once, it's Reddit-ception.

I can't really say you're wrong in what this comment states - because it depends on the woman and it depends on the man, it's subjective - but I would have to know what someone else considered a 5/10 to be before i could judge it, and that was the initial point MattyAnon made that you commented against to me.

Improving oneself can arguably never HURT your SMV, but I know some guys who would be even more turned off by an ugly girl (I'm talking face alone, just to be clear, not body) who was also smart and successful. Whether they themselves are desirable or not is neither here nor there.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Yeah its not like i look at username to dig up shit, i just saw this comment and wanted to share my take on what was said. I dont hold a grudge against particular users (besides Coach Red Pill...). The guys you think of dont happen to be betas? In a way theyre right though, because if she becomes intelligent/smarter/more clever she may think higher of her self (and thus percieve her SMV as being higher than it really is) and that way she can become "overpriced", she will become extra effort but not really becoming more desirable - if you target just looks. Personally i wouldnt waste more than a fuck on a girl who isnt just remotely smart. Like if shes just dumber than she looks then its a fucking pain getting through a conversation with her.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I definitely rate intelligence highly too, a vacuous nature is not attractive.

Betas? I don't know, in RP parlance it's probably fair to call them that but I only said "more turned off..." - not like they'd shag her in the first place but now wouldn't cos she's smert and ting.

Interesting thought though - would a man (Beta if you like) consider fucking an uggo to give himself a little "I'm-such-a-good-guy" High-Five but renege on the plan if he found her way smart? I think so, because as you say, it can tip the scales. I don't dispute that, I just dispute the degree to which it can.

What's Coach Red Pill done to you? Tell Uncle ThrowAway all about it and I'll put the kettle on.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Would a beta fuck a girl just to deem himself "such-a-good-guy" in the first place though? I don't know.. If thats the motive, then her being a smart girl would probably make the guy feel less sorry for her, but i dont know..

What i don't like about CRP is that his posts gets upvoted to oblivion for his own good and many of these posts doesnt bring anything to the table at all of any siginificant value. Everyman cant use what he says in some of his posts to anything at all, he may address why he dates a specific gender demographic but what is another man gonna use it for if said man is already self-aware of his own motives for dating girl xx. He also has this fairytale view of things where he will make the argument that him being higher age makes him so much more attractive than a younger guy. Sure, he may have properties that are deemed attractive and alpha, but its defintely not the age isolated that is attractive. Or how he will try to sugar-coat the younger women he is dating are in it for HIM and for the "EXCITEMENT" rather than in it for the money. He deludes himself into this irrational thinking, i really think his ego shines above his alpha-ness. Its similar to one of the highest-voted posts on this board essentially saying that all men are higher SMV than girls and thus can get any girl and that you only get rejected because she doesnt want to be with a higher SMV guy and she feels uncomfortable just by the sheer presence of the guy. Its just BS.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 2 points3 points  (20 children)

Men have it worse.

Women date UP. Average women do just fine in the dating market. Only about 5% men dating easy, and only if they have their head together..

5/10 women do MUCH better than 5/10 men. Ugly women get laid. Ugly men not so much.

You can't use getting laid as a metric for both genders, though. Commitment from a high value man is the metric for women. Sex with a high value woman is the metric for men. Each must use the tools and strategies to achieve their goal. Neither has is better or easier. But if reincarnation exists I'd rather be reborn a man a thousand times than a woman.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 11 points12 points  (13 children)

Neither has is better or easier.

Women have it vastly easier.

Getting approached and validated constantly is a million times easier than approaching. Yes they are choosy, but having your ego propped up by 8/10 men while you hunt down a 9/10 is a pretty easy life.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 12 points13 points  (12 children)

Women have it vastly easier.

Getting approached and validated constantly is a million times easier than approaching. Yes they are choosy, but having your ego propped up by 8/10 men while you hunt down a 9/10 is a pretty easy life.

They get pumped and dumped by the only men they are attracted to, age like milk, are left alone and most end up miserable, in poverty, and abusing anti-depressants. They end up faking orgasms with a fat beta to lock down a little security in life, get bred by a dark triad that abandons them, or stay barren and walk alone to the grave.

If that looks like "pretty easy life" to you then there is nothing I can do to save your from your own piss poor attitude. Don't wish for a lighter load, wish for broader shoulders, brah.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (8 children)

They get pumped and dumped by the only men they are attracted to

ie they get hot sex. That's more than most men get.

age like milk, are left alone and most end up miserable, in poverty, and abusing anti-depressants.

Most end up getting alimony and government payouts at mens' expense.

If they end up alone it's because women have collectively eviscerated marriage through feminism and political leverage.

They end up faking orgasms with a fat beta to lock down a little security in life, get bred by a dark triad that abandons them, or stay barren and walk alone to the grave.

Women have preferential treatment at every stage of life. They have it EASIER. If they still fuck it up (and many do), this is on them. Doesn't mean they don't have it easier though.

[–]Hector_Castillo 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Getting attention is empty calories, even for women. And getting sex is easy for women, too. It's nice, yeah, but it's very fleeting.

The skill of a woman, her true SMV, is who she can lock down.

Men are measured by their sexual prowess. Women are judged by who they can cuff.

You're judging the goals of women by the goals of men. They're two completely different paradigms.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Getting attention is empty calories, even for women

They put a lot of time and effort into it, and are thoroughly and completely addicted to their phones. Those calories can't be THAT empty.

The skill of a woman, her true SMV, is who she can lock down

Given their utter disinterest in a LTR before the age of 30, I find it hard to believe they have much interest in commitment other than specifically for getting their lifestyle paid for while they raise children.

You're judging the goals of women by the goals of men. They're two completely different paradigms.

They are very different, however:

  • Sex is nice... and most men don't get enough. Women may want more, but at least they get SOME.

  • Women put in much less work with relationships than men. If they valued men or relationships particularly, they'd be better girlfriend's.

  • Most women have many more options than most men.

There is a HUGE difference between "oh god, all these 7/10 men throw themselves at me but I want a 9 to settle down" and "no woman will look at me and I am not having much sex".

The majority of women are in the former category, the majority of men in the latter.

[–]Hector_Castillo 4 points5 points  (5 children)

They put a lot of time and effort into it, and are thoroughly and completely addicted to their phones. Those calories can't be THAT empty.

Most women are lazy like most men. They take the easy potato chips of satisfaction. We give women too much credit. Their ingrained knowledge of seduction is masterful, but their execution is...bad. It's like how so many women would be 10x more hot if they did squats and cut down their body fat%. But most girls don't do it because they're lazy :P

Given their utter disinterest in a LTR before the age of 30, I find it hard to believe they have much interest in commitment other than specifically for getting their lifestyle paid for while they raise children.

Why do you say they're uninterested in LTRs? Women are always on the lookout for BFs. That's literally all the cock-carousel is about. They're learning in real time what their SMV is.

They are very different, however:

Only men below the "8" realm get scraps for sex. The sluttiest girl I've ever met is at ~150 lays (age 29), the other at ~120 (age 22), and my ex-girlfriend is at around ~75 last I checked (age 22; I used to date hot but high-testosterone, dominant women for the challenge to see if I could handle them lol; she went on a fucking spree after we broke up). Other than this, the average slut i know hovers anywhere between ~20-30. The percentage of players I know wipe the floor with these women (I know two guys at 500 lays and one at 1,000). There might be more women average who have more sex than men on average, but the men who do better do WAY better and bring the average up. Kinda like how the mythical "wage gap" works :P Account for skill and it all evens out (and in the case of lays, we do better). The one exception to all of this is the escort I met, who said she probably has fucked 1,000 guys.

Also, value correlates with lay counts. The highest value women have low lay counts. High value women also usually only do LTRs for sex, their hookups you can count on one hand (until their late 30s then 40s, of course; after that, everything goes out the window. But they're usually married by then).

This is the paradox for really stunning, cool women. They have so many men available, but they're so fucking picky (because they can be) that they fuck conservatively (party girls the exception).

A man has to lead the relationship, but effort into the relationship? If it's not the woman, the relationship isn't being run right. The man shouldn't be doing more than he already was doing before meeting her.

But it depends on what you consider "work"? If she puts up a lot of drama, then she's actually doing a lot of work -she's investing emotional energy into maintaining the relationship and making sure her man is still a man.

Once you're a hot guy, you have more options. Just because women have 1 million followers on Instagram who would fuck her, those aren't actually "options." Women don't consider 99.9% of these men even human. They're non-existent to her.

There is a HUGE difference between "oh god, all these 7/10 men throw themselves at me but I want a 9 to settle down" and "no woman will look at me and I am not having much sex".

The majority of women are in the former category, the majority of men in the latter.

Exactly!! :) Men occupy the extremes, women are average, even the top ones.

So let's get to the top, ya?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Why do you say they're uninterested in LTRs? Women are always on the lookout for BFs. That's literally all the cock-carousel is about. They're learning in real time what their SMV is.

They don't seriously believe that banging Chad will get his commitment. They just think "hot guy! sex!". They're disappointed when he leaves, but before that happens a few times they have zero concept of how to get a relationship and zero care for it.

Only men below the "8" realm get scraps for sex.

Agreed.... what I am saying is that the vast majority of men are below an 8.

This is the paradox for really stunning, cool women. They have so many men available, but they're so fucking picky (because they can be) that they fuck conservatively (party girls the exception).

Statistically hotter people (male and female) have more sex - because they have more and better options. Don't be fooled by her aloofness and attractiveness - she's as slutty as everyone else but with better options.

So let's get to the top, ya?

haha this is totally my takeaway message too.

[–]Natural_RP 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If a woman is constantly getting pumped and dumped she is dating out of her league as most women are.

Secondly if they actually desire a relationship with an alpha they should work on offering more than just sex. Alphas get tons of sex, they need more to stick around.

It's easy for a woman to find out where her league ACTUALLY is but no woman would ever do it because because she would have to start dating and fucking a "lower class" of men.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Secondly if they actually desire a relationship with an alpha they should work on offering more than just sex. Alphas get tons of sex, they need more to stick around.

"Just work on yourself" advice to women is "Just be yourself" advice that women give to men. Women aren't really capable of working on themselves. They need a man to mold them into a suitable partner for himself. Your advice is bad because you do not understand women, in the same way that women give bad advice because they don't understand men.

[–]Natural_RP -1 points0 points  (0 children)

First I understand women perfectly well, second that's not what we were talking about, a woman can do a few things to make herself an immeasurably better partner and they could do it just today's women won't.

[–]FreeRadical5 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Neither has is better or easier.

Is there some magical force that ensures that perfect equality between the experiences of the two genders is enforced? That sounds really implausible and something that a feminist would say.

Most likely, one of the genders does have it easier than the other and we all know it is women. The very fact that sex with high value men is so insignificant to women is because it is handed to them on a platter. If you were to put men in a world where sex with anyone they want was a given, their focus too would shift to commitment. It is a higher level goal.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Is there some magical force that ensures that perfect equality between the experiences of the two genders is enforced? That sounds really implausible and something that a feminist would say.

Who has an easier time living in nature: a scorpion in the desert or an Atlantic bluefin tuna in the sea? This is not a matter of logic but philosophy, therefore how you answer the question reveals more about yourself than any truth in the real world. Both creatures have tools and strategies at their disposal to overcome natural obstacles and threats. Thus it is the same for men and women in society.

If you are insisting women have it easier it's because of your worldview. A similar perspective might insist that African Americans have it easier because more of them are on welfare and in State custody--therefore they have goods and services "handed to them." Is it better to have things handed to you or to be self-sufficient at great personal effort?

It's a pointless and destructive perspective common in men still in the anger phase. Women can be fat slobs and still get their holes plugged, but as a man you have to get your ass to the gym and lift to even have a chance at getting your dick wet--so you would prefer to be a fat slob? I'm thankful for the motivation to improve myself.

[–]FreeRadical5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it better to have things handed to you or to be self-sufficient at great personal effort?

so you would prefer to be a fat slob?

See those are vastly different and inherently more subjective questions with no right answer. What you and I would prefer depends heavily on our own identification and what we've grown to value.

But easier is a simpler question which is what I was referring to. Having to put more work in to get to the same end result is pretty much the definition of having it harder. And I do not say it from a place of anger, it is how it is. Nothing we can do about it on an individual level except accept it. But it does us no favors to pretend that the difficulty of men and women's struggle is identical. There is no harm in refuting the delusion that the universe is just.

[–]fingerthemoon 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Comparing scorpions to tuna dosen't work. Compare male tuna to female tuna. The female is the bottleneck of reproduction and is inherently more valuable than the majority of males. Genetic variation is played out on the male side of the species.

Look at the angler fish, where the male becomes fused to the female and is dissolved to the point where he just becomes a pair of testicles for her. http://theoatmeal.com/comics/angler

Life is supposed to be harder for the male of most species.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is the thoughtful reply I was hoping someone would write. Excellent comment. I still have one final rebuttal, though.

Life is supposed to be harder for the male of most species.

Life requires that the male exert effort and that the female make a selection. Both sexes have it hard. Things being the way they are, though, I'd much rather be a male. Even if you are one ugly fucking dude you can still buy sex. A woman can never ever truly secure commitment from a high quality male.

That's all I have to say on that issue.

[–]fingerthemoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Men occupy the extreme ends of the bell curve. We are the most brilliant geniuses and the most stupid morons. We are the most enlightened and the most delusional. We can reach the highest heights and sink to the lowest depths that women will never know.

5-10% of men have it better than the vast majority of women, but the vast majority of women have it better than 90-95% of men. Or something like that (there're always outliers).

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Apples and oranges.

Ugly women don't wanna just get laid, they wanna have kids and relationships that's gonna to be way tougher for ugly bitches, but then again, men's thirst knows no bounds.

[–]Hector_Castillo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Women reach diminishing returns around the 8/10 mark. Women who are 8's and women are 10's really don't have too much of a difference in results.

Men, however, overtake women at the 8/10 mark. 8, 9's, and 10 level men do SO much better than women. They have quantity AND quality.

The goal of women is to get as many orbiters as possible, get the seed of a strong lover, and have a strong husband raise that child (whether or not it's the same guy is irrelevant, but obviously preferred to be both).

She can get an unlimited amount of followers, but only have so many baby daddies.

The goal of men, socially, is to fuck as many women as possible and have good, beautiful women raise their children.

With their goal, men have a practical infinity of options once they're hot enough to get what they want. The strength of women at our comparative level is negligible. They won't fuck us? Fine, there's another girl just as hot and cool as she is out there who will.

She's not so lucky. She's not only trying to get sex, and a baby, but commitment. Getting an 8, 9, or 10 to settle down with her is NOT easy. He's fucking other girls just as hot as her! Why would he give that up for her?

Will she take a Beta-bucks provider once she gets knocked up? sure, but it's not her ideal situation.

As for ugly women, yeah, I've ALWAYS felt bad for them. God bless their souls. Luckily, they can get a smoking hot body, there's plastic surgery, and, in the end, there's game. I've seen some real studs get locked down by a 5 or a 6 with really good relationship game.

At 8+, men have it better. Way better. Get to an 8 and you're Gucci. You can snag 10's once you're an 8, because by that time, you have the abundance mentality to not get played by a 10.

If you have doubts about this, you're not an 8 yet.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I agree..... alpha males have it best.... then most women.... then most men.

As for ugly women, yeah, I've ALWAYS felt bad for them

I dunno. Being unattractive as a woman can't be that bad or they'd stop shoving pies into their mouths. There are so many otherwise attractive women that choose to be obese. Why would they do this if their life is so terrible being overweight?

Being an attractive woman is less than than eating donuts. If being attractive was better than eating donuts, she'd do that. So life can't be too bad for the land whales.... and ugly girls and fat girls have it about the same.

If you have doubts about this, you're not an 8 yet

I give myself 10/10. Unfortunately women have their own opinion ;)

[–]Hector_Castillo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being an attractive woman is less than than eating donuts. If being attractive was better than eating donuts, she'd do that. So life can't be too bad for the land whales.... and ugly girls and fat girls have it about the same.

Same as I said in the other comment. People are lazy, including women. Very few on either side are as motivated as we are :)

I give myself 10/10. Unfortunately women have their own opinion ;)

I love it!!

[–]tzsunny11 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I think lifting/muscles makes men beautiful. Aren't facial looks secondary?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Aren't facial looks secondary?

I don't know.

Certainly slim with a slim face will get you a long way.

[–]tjwplans 2 points3 points  (5 children)

No facial looks are always first.

[–]ronnyronaldc points points [recovered]

Not really, the x/10 you get is a combination of face, length and gains. If one guy has a great face (8 or 8.5) but small (1.75m) and no gains whatsoever, while another guy has a good face (7), is kind of tall (1.85m-1.90m) and has significant gains, he would have a better SMV.

From what I've experienced gains and length are very important for girls. A guy who is tall with a good face has 45cm biceps or whatever will make up maybe 2 or 3 points on the x/10 scale (regarding face).

[–]fingerthemoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

status>hight>face>muscles

what do you have control over?

[–]usernamegoeshere111 points points [recovered]

Your perception of height is very, very distorted.

[–]ronnyronaldc points points [recovered]

What do you mean? You mean me saying 1.75m is small doesn't correspond with reality? I am from the NL and here the average height for a man is about 1.82m, so 1.75m is definitely considered short.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is this BP BS? Yes some girls may do better around these men, but who are these men? They are BETAS. Betas are essentially just girls in a way, they have the same traits except a beta (unlike their friend) will do everything for them and hand them everything + they also get the validaton from the other sex.

[–]Kalidane 89 points90 points  (12 children)

Gotta love unintentionally revealing Tinder bios.

"No more one night stands and cheaters". Rather than warning off guys, it's actually to help them remember...

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (1 child)

"No hookups" is a scarecrow for Betas. These women who proclaim Relationship Only are DTF the brazen muscled asshole who smartly ignores disinformation.

These men Get it, Women want men who get it.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (5 children)

Holy fuck. I have seen the "not looking for hook ups" line so much and now my immediate thought is that the chick got pumped and dumped too many times.

[–]DntPnicIGotThis 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I always thought these were bots

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (3 children)

No, the bots on tinder are usually the ones with only selfies, are absolutely stunning and usually message you first.

[–]selux 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I keep getting catfished on tinder. I'll message the girl, she wants to meet, I get her number, ask for a selfie, only to reverse image search it and find the pic is from some porn site. Look up the phone number on FB and it's for some middle Eastern sounding profile about marketing strategy. Wtf

[–]keytoimmortality 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How do you reverse image search?

[–]mtersen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right click in Google chrome

[–]Cunt_Robber 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I love how growing up I waa indoctrinated to believe women were victims to the men who, the stereotype went, were the cheaters. While there is some truth to that (we do want to stick out dick in anything pretty with a vagina) and the fact that women (for their own good) were "oppressed" by men in many ways, look what has happened now. On our current state of affairs is a better time than ever to observe, study, and understand 1. why our ancestors in almost every culture opressed women, and 2. women's manipulative, hypergamous nature, including their avoidance of responsibility/accountability, lack of a sense of loyalty, and tendency to evoke drama & employ attention-/validation-seeking behaviors.

TRP has been an amazing tool in pointing out and explaining female nature. While the rest of society perpetually ignores the problem and opts to "treat the symptoms" (you thought feminine manipulation was only on the scale of the individual?), this sub sheds light on everything that is left unsaid in western society. It is curious, how the west masquerades as the place of freedom, opportunity, modernization, equality, and yet these basic truths are utterly stigmatized and ignored. No folks, we're not that advanced biologically yet. We tend to forget that since we are drowning in technology and gynocentric propaganda.

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's hard for me to reconcile the idea of the cunning female with someone that would be so revealing of her cards on tinder.

[–]Kalidane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They're also the ones who say "I'm not fucking you tonight" when they are thinking about fucking you tonight.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Yup, she's right.

Also - she disrespects you and men in general, almost certainly due to having a weak father.

[–]alefmale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It tends to be so simple so often that it's hard to even be surprised when a girl who has an unclear sense of self drops the fact that her dad's dead, deadbeat, or just a wimp.

[–]Docbear64 37 points38 points  (0 children)

"All men are like 'I'm going to find a woman who's perfect in every way, and who's not manipulative, and 'loves me for who I am' and then three years later, you know what? You're going to find out, she's manipulative, too.'" - all of this in a mocking high-pitched voice, while making stupid-looking body language."

She's right and the way you handle it is show her you won't succumb to her manipulative bullshit . She's a woman so making sure she's provided for and "safe" is her priority in this life. she'd prefer if it was with someone hot and charming but if it's not she'll find someone to adi in her survival anyway .

The key to keeping her attracted and engaged is not bending to that manipulative will and not becoming just another fixed element of her craving for survival stability. Men fuck up when they agree to become living furniture and she stomps on them like they're shoes , become an accessory to show off like her purse, and are as much a staple to her day to day life as the fact she'll have a Vanilla Chai Latte with Light cream & sugar in the morning .

If you live in the western world women have the most comfort , respect, and power they've ever had in history they don't need men to survive so when they find a man who " treats her like she deserves" what they are really finding is just one more cushion to fall down onto if she makes mistakes or does something stupid .

That's the most insidious thing about all the captain Save a ho's out there to me , They think they are rescuing and honoring women when generally they are just tools effective to make sure her life continues to be comfortable. Few women will ever reach a true " bottom point" in life and we can thank the many men who would love to be a living cushion for that.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 15 points16 points  (2 children)

She says women need to frame improvements in a way that they don't acknowledge that the reason she needs to improve is because she has flaws

This is gold, gentlemen, and if you're here around for a while, you should already have internalised that.

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SELF IMPROVEMENT, and more specifically, nobody cares about you. Internalize. Then work from this frame.

All men are like 'I'm going to find a woman who's perfect in every way, and who's not manipulative, and 'loves me for who I am'

AWALT, straight from the horse's mouth. And you know what? I find it PERFECTLY POSSIBLE to have a long-term relationship and maybe someday a child with a woman. Just remember who she is and if you ever start pedestalizing her, if ever oneitis kicks in, just remember that this is proper, evolutionary mechanism... and move on, because this does not mean that this girl is anyway special. She's the same. AWALT. But, have this in mind, and proceed! Don't bury yourself in anger from anger phase.

That's a bit hard to explain in words, but if you get there, you'll get there. Accept women for who they are. It's not that bad. And, it also does not mean you need to tolerate anything below your own level.

[–]massivewang 5 points6 points  (1 child)

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SELF IMPROVEMENT, and more specifically, nobody cares about you. Internalize. Then work from this frame.

How do you deal with the AWALT but not AWALT aspect? For example I've found someone "special" because:

  • She is drama free
  • Comes from a rural city, and as a result is family oriented, sincere, cares well for the people she loves
  • Hard working, understands the value of money, not frivolous
  • overall sweet demeanor, fun to be around etc.

I'm no chad destroyer of worlds but i do ok for myself. Overall I find that I don't really care for clubs, bars, parties etc and would like a "partner". With that said I'm aware of many of the reasosn why she's into me, and a lot of that has to do with her perceived status of me/the fact that I am one of the best if not the best options.

Anyway I'm not sure I'm articulating this right but I guess what I'm trying to say is that while AWALT in the context of hypergamy, AWALT doesn't apply in the context of behavior/attitude/life. Like she's a functional, responsible, and drama free adult who is sweet, sincere, and cares for people. I'd like to LTR her and I think if I do the point is that I need to continue to perform and be her "best" option. Does that make sense?

[–]JohnnyM93 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're not a monkey jumping through hoops, my man. You don't need to "perform" for her. Keep things simple, ask her out, and if you like what you see, LTR her. But during that LTR, don't fall for the "puppy love" games she'll play on you to secure your commitment. DO NOT COMMIT until you know every last verifiable detail about her past. You don't even need to ask her about it. Do your own research.

My ex was just as you described this girl when I met her. Sweet, cares for her mother and autistic brother, lost her father, lives in more secluded neighborhood, exhibited understanding of family values, etc.

A few months later I found out things about her that did not fit her persona. Her response: "it shouldn't matter though. Don't you love me? Wouldn't you fight for me?"

Sheesh. AWALT.

[–]JohnnyM93 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"all of this in a mocking high-pitched voice, while making stupid-looking body language."

Reminds me of one of the last conversations I had with my ex before I broke up with her. I don't even remember how we got to the subject. We were talking about women (particularly Western women) cheating on men in larger numbers in this era ...and she seemed to agree with the notion. The following isn't verbatim but it's pretty damn close:

"Girls want dick just as much as guys want pussy, babe. If a guy isn't fucking his girlfriend the way she likes it or he doesn't spend enough time with her, she's gonna go get it somewhere else."

All with the SAME annoyingly condescending fucking high-pitched voice and retarded half-smile faces. I remember thinking, "Wow what a peach. Has this bitch been playing me for the past 6 months making me think she's some sweet supportive angel? The shit worked like a charm." I gave her a half-disgusted half-confused look after what she said, and she held frame like a pro and just giggled. Fack.

I was in denial for a few weeks that her whole persona was a facade. Not because I felt comfortable believing she was a sweet little angel, but because I didn't feel comfortable coming to terms with the fact that I'm being played.

She finally pushed me over the edge a little later and I broke up with her.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 12 points13 points  (0 children)

number 1, selective memory is the truth of truths. witnessed many times with plates and my last ex. they will go to the point of literally making shit up that never happened in the relationship to somehow justify to themselves that the break up was good, especially if the man broke things off because she fucked up.

[–]iwasbornred 10 points11 points  (13 children)

Dude they ain't dumb, they get it. They've been competing with each other for attention/status/resources their whole lives.

Lota people on here talk about how women are children. And there are certainly many childlike behaviors they exhibit. But the difference is a child oftentimes does not understand what they do is wrong or has not been disciplined properly by his parents and so does not care.

Fully grown women don't have anyone to discipline them(unless they submit to you) and they for the most part understand power games. They're not totally clueless in most cases.

[–]KnowBrainer 4 points5 points  (3 children)

There's a YouTube channel called Lindybeige and the video is "why do women have breasts" and he explains evolutionarily how tits and hidden ovulation exist purely to cuckold and deceive men. Very compelling.

[–]indivisibleremainder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that was an interesting watch

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What do tits have to do with it?

[–]KnowBrainer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just that women are biologically designed to be manipulative.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Lota people on here talk about how women are children. And there are certainly many childlike behaviors they exhibit. But the difference is a child oftentimes does not understand what they do is wrong or has not been disciplined properly by his parents and so does not care.

Fully grown women don't have anyone to discipline them(unless they submit to you) and they for the most part understand power games. They're not totally clueless in most cases.

I disagree. Yes, they do understand power games on a superficial level, but they dont consciously know what they are doing any more than the child does. You see it from your perspective of being a man, where your view of the world is relatively clear (and even then, your mind has a ton of unconscious biases that distort how you see the world), but a woman is naturally going to behave in a much more childlike manner because her hormonal makeup drives her to think that way.

When we talk about women fucking up the world for men, you cant see it as some sort of crime that theyve knowingly committed, because they didnt knowingly do it. Its manslaughter, not murder

[–]iwasbornred 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I see your case. I think the truth is somewhere in between and down to the individual.

I give some bitches a ton of leeway cus bitches be crazy. But if you refuse to accept the crazy I do believe you will eventually wind up with one who is more toward the rational side.

How conscious they are is debatable, but I don't think seemingly more conscious women like OP's girlfriend are anything extremely out of the ordinary. Women have to deal with crazy women too.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 0 points1 point  (4 children)

How conscious they are is debatable, but I don't think seemingly more conscious women like OP's girlfriend are anything extremely out of the ordinary. Women have to deal with crazy women too.

I imagine they are better at recognizing these behaviours in other women because women tend to be more social than men are, but its an unconscious bias, so it falls into the category of "Oh other women are like that, but Im different". You know, the dumb bitch who says "Oh Im not like other girls", when shes got a personality more basic than bleach.

[–]iwasbornred 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Right, and that does seem a lot like what's going on with OP's girl. Trashing other women to show how superior she is. There are levels of understanding and I do notice that women simply do not value logical arguments the same way men do, in most cases.

Many times you can explain the logic behind something and they understand that part but they think of their emotional argument as just as valid or more valid.

I think that a lot of women operate on the unconscious level almost all of the time but high value women have a much more conscious understanding of how shit works and if you get into conversations with them they will oftentimes agree with a principle during a conversation and make a decision against that principle later. This doesn't mean they aren't actually comprehending the principle, just that it wasn't important enough for them to stick to it.

Perfect example is my ex(current plate) talks about quitting or slowing down drinking literally every couple weeks and every time I encourage her and also remind her that she's been saying that forever and never done it but yet wonders why her life is the same and her fitness level is the same and etc...

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Perfect example is my ex(current plate) talks about quitting or slowing down drinking literally every couple weeks and every time I encourage her and also remind her that she's been saying that forever and never done it but yet wonders why her life is the same and her fitness level is the same and etc...

Thats really unfortunate. IMO our society is set up in a way that almost encourages alcohol dependency, and very few people ever break out of that trap. It didnt feel that way at the time, but waking up to a brutal morning (with bigger problems to deal with than just the hangover) after a meh party was the best thing that ever happened to me. It finally built up a strong enough negative association with alcohol that I dont subconsciously associate it with fun anymore.

[–]iwasbornred 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yup. My dad is an alcoholic so I know how it goes and I had my days around 18 when I was a college freshman drinking nearly every day. So horrible for you and when you stop it feels like you're taking steroids or something, your body just becomes so much more powerful and full of life.

Beyond actual alcoholics though, you're right, our society has made drinking so connected with socializing, sex, and celebration that for many people from 18-30 they view people who don't drink every weekend as lame or boring.

It's ironic as fuck because they are the boring ones who don't do anything other than work, drink, and fuck.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

100% but what about women who have great jobs and dont need a man for resources, status and attention. what are they after

[–]iwasbornred 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More.

It's never enough dude. If they are high powered, they want a man who is more powerful than them.

[–]rh0cwr51w9 22 points23 points  (0 children)

only one of my exes has done this. and after being a plate for a while, we re-split more amicably and she's nice and says nice things about me (and has set me up on a few dates with her friends, so i know she's not talking too much shit about me behind my back)

you need empathy and assertiveness. the empathy is so you can understand her feelings and know what she wants, the assertiveness is so that you don't just do what she wants at the expense of your desires when you figure it out. if you don't have the empathy, she'll call you a self-centred asshole. if you don't have the assertiveness, she'll call you insecure/spineless and possibly manipulative (because she thought you had a spine, but it was a fake spine)

the ideal way for her to view you after breaking up is "we had different goals" or something similar. she sees the problem as a problem with the pairing, rather than a problem with you (or a problem with her, which she'll likely project onto you)

[–]excal10 4 points5 points  (2 children)

She tells you this so you tolerate her manipulation and not be tempted to find someone less manipulative than her because after all, all women are manipulative.

Yes, they are. All people are manipulative but it's important how often they behave in these ways.

[–]tzsunny11 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I second you. Manipulation is more of women's art to control a physically stronger male. It's evolutionary.

[–]drty_pr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I hope you realize there was a entirely separate conversation, from the one you wrote here, going on at the same time. Unless she was drunk, she was playing you too see your understanding/reaction to human nature. This was a huge subcommunicated shit test wrapped up in free and open chat.

[–]WerewolfofWS 7 points8 points  (4 children)

The hardest part of TRP for me to rationalize is the act like an asshole part. Why should we go out of our way to compete with other men (make them feel inferior) for a moist hole that in the end won't give two shits about you and will at any opportunity jump to the next guy.

Men should stop trying to tear each other down to compete for pussy -- men understand loyalty and are more likely to support you in your endeavors when the going gets tough than women. I have found this to be the case whereas women just like the validation etc. and will throw you away once they see your value drop (say you lose your job).

There was a reason "fraternity" was part of the original French revolution.

[–]Hector_Castillo 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Men will always kill each other for the sake of pussy. It's literally what society is founded upon. The only resource we truly fight over after food and water is our mates.

These fraternities we create are based on lots of things like race, nationality, what block you're from, etc, but at the end of the day, 99.9% of the men you know, including everyone on here who is banded together for a single purpose, would murder the other if it meant they get/keep their ideal pussy.

Even my closest friend, a military guy whom I was also in a fraternity with, who is the most loyal human being I've ever met, admits that his wife is the most important person in the world to him and that he would choose her over me (as long as she remained faithful).

You have yourself and yourself. That's it.

[–]WerewolfofWS 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I respect the commentary but ...

The most DUMBASS decisions are based on emotion / chasing pussy. Look up the Trojan War if you want a historical example. Elliott Rodgers could be an example of the other extreme.

Most of the men that are truly successful do so because they actually are doing what they WANT TO DO (Trump vs. a nice guy that does things to please others i.e., has a lame corporate office job to try and impress some vapid bar slut they hope to hookup with). Sure, they have a high sex drive but anyone striving to be the best at what they do -- don't keep continuing just for the sake of getting pussy. Drive, discipline and taking action ... then the pussy comes as a reward.

And I think/hope most men in this sub realize the hypergamous nature of women and would not kill someone else for pussy. Rationally thinking, there are about ~ 4+ Billion women in the world. How can there be one ideal pussy for you?

You should be the prize, not her and then of course beta haters come out of the wood-work (and this is where the comment relates).

[–]Hector_Castillo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Haha, yeah, I didn't say it's smart. I said it's the way it is. Nobody acts rationally. Emperor Trump isn't motivated by reason, he's motivated by the love of winning; his love winning the presidency just happens to override his love of pussy...but not by much. Dude has fucked everything that walks and, thanks to either his sociopathy or his high-level paradigms, he kept himself focused on the big picture.

I guarantee pussy was his greatest motivator. Being powerful is boring as fuck if you're not getting laid, too. I mean, I've never killed anyone and I'm sure it feels great, but living as Jomsviking would probably suck cuz no pussy.

You seem to have faith in other men. I don't. I trust pretty much no guy I've ever met to put me before pussy. When I think otherwise is when I make bad investments.

I also respect your comment, but as an aside, the "I am the prize" mentality is a self-identity based paradigm. Self-identity paradigms always fail, because enantiodromia.

Achievement/system mentalities are better.

"This is what I want, how do I get it?" As little ego/self-identity as you can invest and you will profit, since, if faced with disappointment, there can be no anger towards the self, which doesn't exist anyways.

[–]WerewolfofWS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant to reply to this -- you are pretty intelligent for someone I met on reddit (or a frat boy, for that matter). You have influenced me into rethinking how I approach my goals in general. I recommend (if you haven't read already) Scott Adam's book "How to Fail At Almost Everything and Still Win Big" -- he is the creator of Dilbert and argues for a system's based approach similar to what you have said.

[–]akaNeon1 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You make valid points.. But they're mostly valid for men as well.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (1 child)

  1. yes

2,3,4 - no, this is not in the nature of men.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well definitely 4 too. Heck you're taught to do that for job interviews.

[–]2johnnight 2 points3 points  (1 child)

  1. Selective memory. [Name], at least, is aware of this. She says women will play up the bad parts of the relationship, try to forget the good stuff, use the horns effect to take the place of the halo effect, and decide after the fact that their boyfriend was an asshole. It also helps to talk to others about how bad the ex is.

Women use "badguyification" to cope with unpleasant thoughts and memories. I'm just now watching a yt clip, where a girl describes how she vilified her father to cope with his absence after her parents' divorce:

https://youtu.be/ciTlWP9rttw?t=2m

[–]NeoreactionSafe 4 points5 points  (2 children)

 

"All men are like 'I'm going to find a woman who's perfect in every way, and who's not manipulative, and 'loves me for who I am' and then three years later, you know what? You're going to find out, she's manipulative, too.'" - all of this in a mocking high-pitched voice, while making stupid-looking body language."

 

The Red Pill speaks the Truth.

"The Manipulated Man" is a must read (sidebar in desktop mode) and is a full short story about how women manipulate men then laugh.

Remember Lucy?

http://c0389161.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/dyn/str_strip/244522.full.gif

 

[–]1nonthaki 1 point2 points  (2 children)

u/redpillschool

"All men are like 'I'm going to find a woman who's perfect in every way, and who's not manipulative, and 'loves me for who I am' and then three years later, you know what? You're going to find out, she's manipulative, too.'"

This post might not be much , but please give it some rating or something so that it is seen frequently. Maybe hearing from the horse's mouth itself, from a woman herself, that most Women are incapable of true love towards men, is the final push required for a man to be completely emancipated from the shackles laid on his mind by Women.

[–]hunterglenn points points [recovered]

That's what's doing it for me...my girlfriend and I have an unusual dynamic going on between us, and she's been both presenting ideas all on her own that match TRP, and confirming almost everything I ask about.

That a woman's saying it has had a powerful effect on me

[–]1nonthaki 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Read all the recent comments I made in the past week. Basically, your sadness is because you are focussed on One lie i.e. women. You need to look deeply in the world. I looked at everything - politics, mainstream media, porn , social apps - They are all fake. Even our own parents relationships which themselves are not perfect and might have been affected by AWALT behaviour even if you being their son dont want to believe your biological parents are soul-mates and meant for each other etc etc and countless other lies we have been living in ....and many such other things I looked deeply in and pondered. I realized I had been living in a big lie. Many of the things in this world that seem normal at first, are all lies.

If everything's a lie, then does one small lie, like women being good or the promise of Unicorns, matter?. No, its insignificant. Earlier, Long ago, I used to worry and be sad thinking about all such lies in the world, such that in the end, it reached the tipping point , and automatically after that, i no longer gave and give a fuck... Cause things like women are just a small part of the fraction of the lies we live in. Look around and you will observe; in people and in every interaction, many interactions themselves are fake and meaningless. And thus when you realize this, you reach Amused Mastery level, cause no single lie or things affects you enough to worry you anymore; cause you know everything's a lie.

So I will marry a girl and all; but now, I am calm... I know that I will never truly love a girl, even if she says she is different... Cause I understand they are one small single lie; and you know what, I feel normal know cause of this enlightenment and Amused mastery ..... Earlier, I used to be sad cause I wanted unconditional love and wanted to give the same too ... But, now, I am no longer even sad thinking about that ...cause all worries have bubbled over ..and I can live like a robot.. Cool and unworried and non-chalant like Snoop Dogg. ..I can live easily liking a woman for the things I get from them, but I am comfortable not having to love them, and they will keep coming after you to receive love from you, cause they Want to win the competition. You need to look deeply into the world and analyze everything, not just women; and you will reach that tipping point, and your brain wont be able to handle any longer, and after that your brain will give up, and you and your brain will no longer give a fuck as a way of a coping mechanism, and you will realize this enlightenment. After that, whenever you see problems and sadness in life, think "Everything's a lie. Also one single lie is not importa nt and can't affect me".

If men want to change the behaviour of women all over, then men need to realize the truth that women can't give true love to men, cause they know they will get unconditional love from us, and thus they don't love us back cause its valueless in their eyes ...so men just need to understand this and like women, but stop loving women. When women go crazy, and receive love from none of us men, not even the betas, women will start wanting love and understand that love has value and its not a joke, and they will start giving love. Maybe, sex robots will reduce the value of pussy too.

[–]excal10 2 points3 points  (4 children)

You will find women who are willing to put a cap on their manipulation. It's just that they are rare.

[–]Hector_Castillo 1 point2 points  (3 children)

A woman will only give up her games if she thinks there's no way she could ever find a guy like you ever in a million years.

A girl who is an 8+ knows that it would be HARD AS FUCK to find another guy like you, if you're a goddamned stud, but she also knows that she has an infinite amount of options to try, so if you won't pass her tests, she'll go elsewhere.

A drama free (i.e., manipulation free) girl is probably not a super hot girl.

[–]excal10 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No, there are exceptions. You just need to find them.

"super hot girl" is a subjective term. I personally don't care only about looks. Looks counts for about 25%. For me, looks is "am I physically attracted to her?". The miss universe has 25% of my criteria met by her looks. The other 75% have to come from her other traits. I'm referring to relationship material.

[–]Hector_Castillo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ah, okay, that's it then. I'm the opposite. 75% looks, 25% personality. I usually date girls that most guys consider a "bitch." Dominating dominant women is fun for me.

Though, I also deal with more drama than you do in relationships.

Femininity and looks are what I care about, plus a conservative upbringing and little to no partying, alcohol, or drugs.

I've given up on finding clever girls, because I've never had a legitimately great conversation about intellectual matters with a woman, and I've talked to scores of M.A.'s, Ph. D's and other "intelligent" girls. Women are for warmth, pussy, and discussions about emotions and socializing. Intellectual affairs are best left to the masters - men.

[–]excal10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I probably wasn't clear enough. 75% includes any other things, not just personality like for example background, future plans, job prospects, life philosophy, hobbies in common etc.

[–]SilverGryphon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Strangely enough this girl was honest. It is very rare to have a women reveal this stuff. The only time I ever heard it was from my best friend's girl and I suspect she was forced to say it by my buddy.

[–]busetgadapet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"All men are like 'I'm going to find a woman who's perfect in every way, and who's not manipulative, and 'loves me for who I am' and then three years later, you know what? You're going to find out, she's manipulative, too.'"

this is not even redpill stuff, just common sense if you are a realist

[–]SOwED 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Important to note that the horns vs. halo thing is generally done by talking negatively about the guy to her female friends, who will "support" her in this difficult time by amplifying those feelings.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What she described is pretty much what everyone does.

But when she articulated it like "- all of this in a mocking high-pitched voice, while making stupid-looking body language."

is when i would have broke up with her. Stay with her long enough and she'll yell at you and your sons for not taking the trash out or cutting the grass or making enough money or not wearing the sweater the in laws got you.

[–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing is that if you would be a male mind in a female body, you would do the same thing.

[–]precisionclear 0 points1 point  (1 child)

By presenting theRedPill stuff to my wife, predictably everything offended her. Then I listened while she spoke freely about female's nature, lo and behold - she confirmed everything I had previously said, without realizing it. But the human race would not of survived if men were not programmed to respond to these things, and it would not continuing surviving today if we could en mass, as the TRP analogy, "Only a few left pushing the cart, until even they collapse."

Until machine learning and full automation comes online. And that opens up a whole bunch of other philosophical questions.

Is it worth using your intellect to function outside of the biological programming that makes you human? To win a superficial game for passing time, until we are all obsolete anyways.

I don't believe there is a right or wrong answer.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is it worth using your intellect to function outside of the biological programming that makes you human? To win a superficial game for passing time, until we are all obsolete anyways.

The reductionist end of this question is ultimately, what is the point of living?

Jordan Peterson has reduced this down to (subtracting his religious bias)

  • Extraversion - Neuroticism = Traditional understanding of happiness.
  • Maximizing that traditional view of happiness is considered in a way mania (to achieve that would make you a maniac)
  • Integrating the view that happiness won't stand the first boot on your door, then happiness becomes the absence of suffering.

Life then is what you do that makes the suffering worthwhile, and you can achieve that by being social and minimizing the things that cause you anxiety in your life while trying to obtain worthwhile goals.

What you do to achieve that is individual, and internally, the logos functions as the personification of reinvention. That reinvention is personified as the rebirth of Jesus in the Bible.

This isn't a religious reply. Epistemologically speaking, Jordan Peterson believes the bible encapsulates at a subtext level the human condition.

So yes, you "win the game" by forming a strategy that achieves these goals for yourself. The rules are called laws, and you get "bonus points" for following the rules to achieve your goal.

To function just by your programming's impulses, you're no more admirable than an animal and your best case outcome is "maniac." The best case outcomes for what I've laid out are high status or eclectic, both are fine.

[–]yomo86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then she said: "All men are like 'I'm going to find a woman who's perfect in every way, and who's not manipulative, and 'loves me for who I am' and then three years later, you know what? You're going to find out, she's manipulative, too.'" - all of this in a mocking high-pitched voice, while making stupid-looking body language."

All men are stupid - or blue pilled if you will, except for a very few.

Women are human, too, you know. Humans are manipulative when in a position of soft instead of hard power, all humans are not perfect, all humans idealize or demonize parts of the memory deemed too harmful. It is not unique to women, although they are more prone to it and excused in regards for accountability.

I do it, as well. Instead of downplaying, re-framing for a better opportunity seems to be more wise, but still, it is selective to some extent. Manipulative behavior ie Game and dread is advised here as well. No foul play - just a leveling of the playing field of life.

Everyday a new sucker is born. Just don't be naiive. Being angry for being that sucker is like screaming at the sun for blinding you after prolonged staring.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the fuck is this post? I don't understand this at all.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is actually very interesting and verifies what most guys should know by now. Women are very good at getting over guys, expect if the guy is better at it, then they break down. And women refuse to improve themselves even if it can be easily done because this acknowledges she has flaws.

If women were the enemy and you had to think up a battle plan to best crush the enemy. Then i'd say these 2 points are big glaring weak points. Use it.

[–]lansky2018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not all women are manipulative assholes. The man I dated before my soon to be husband, he worked 65-70 hours a week (by choice) and we got to see each other once every two weeks or something. I wasn't mad at him, I didn't hate him...I told him that I didn't see a serious relationship continuing since we never saw each other and neither of us considered our relationship as our top priority. He admitted he really just loved working so that wasn't likely to change. We agreed that we just weren't the right person for each other. No one was the bad guy, no one was the asshole....we just weren't meant to be together. Parted ways.

My soon to be husband works the same amount but does everything to make sure the free time he has, he is with me. I dont tell him to, I don't demand he does. He just wants to. I don't give him grief for working long hours because I know he is working to contribute to our family, just like I am. He works more hours than me, makes more money than me, but I have the ability to adjust my work schedule to care for my step children and I handle the majority of the housework so he doesn't have to. We are a team. We both have strengths, we both have weaknesses. It's our job as a teammate to work together for the best outcome.

When you meet the right person, you naturally just do things that you wouldn't have for a prior mate. Things are just different.

I don't hate my ex. In fact, I encouraged him to keep dating until he found the right girl for him. No everyone is an asshole simply because they don't want to be with you. Cheating, lying, manipulating......that's the kind of stuff makes them assholes.