Red Pill TheoryWhy is sex so important? (self.TheRedPill)

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Hey guys,

So I've been following the Red Pill for a while and it helped a lot in improving myself and setting up new goals in my life. There is one thing though that I still don't understand, and it might sound funny first:

Why is sex so important?

So dont get me wrong I always enjoyed sex, the beauty of woman and all the pleasures it provides. But if you are not in a LTR and procreation isn't your goal either than the sole purpose of it is enjoyment isn't it? It really won't get you further in life, unless you are fucking your boss... So what's the difference between masturbation and sex? It needs 2 people and it's more fun, but also a lot more time consuming to set up.

So a lot of man here (including myself) have set up goals for themself and sacrificed aimless entertainment activities like video games, tv shows or masturbation. Yet we spend so much time chasing girls, setting up dates on Tinder and improving game. And I think a lot of people only try to improve their life so they can increase their SMV. Their end goal is not something impactful, but actually the side effect of this path which will lead them to more pussy.

Reading this you may think that, I'm some masturbation activist, but I'm not even watching porn and I only help myself if I really need to. I'm just trying to understand what makes sex so much more than an entertainment activity, why is it worth the invested time. So this question is rather a philosophical one, that I want to set straight in myself. Because currently I feel like chasing sex is an other addiction and it has too much influance on my life.

[–]J-baller 320 points321 points  (49 children)

Sad to say but many men still seek the approval of others. That's why they see chasing women as some kind of noble cause. It also validates the ego when you manage to seduce a woman you find attractive. The richest and most successful men I know don't chase women. Their SMV is so high that women are the ones who chase them and even lure them into situations where sex takes place

[–][deleted] 159 points160 points  (25 children)

Sad to say but many men still seek the approval of others ... It also validates the ego

It's in the sidebar: "The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."

There may be some nuance to it all but I think it's time we cut the shit. It's all about sex and what people think of you. In theory, TRP may not be about seeking validation from others but, in practice, it's exactly that. "Identity" is what matters to most men here. They want to be viewed as "alphas." They want their women to view them as "captains." They size themselves up against other men because they need validation. The whole point of the idea of the SMV is deriving your value from how you compare to others. There's nothing internal about it. For all the Stoicism TRP preaches, most of what actually takes place here is the exact opposite. There are very few among us that are actually Stoics.

It isn't "sad to say" if this is what TRP is pushing. It's hypocritical to look down on other men (or women) that seek the approval of others or that seek the validation of their egos.

[–]RoxoViejo 67 points68 points  (13 children)

Exactly. The more I get into stoicism, the more I hate reading things on this sub. Most posts are about making the ego happy, not something I want in my life to be honest. I do not chase pussy the way I used to, however the more I become a stoic and the more I work on my virtues, more women notice me.

[–]titsmegeee 7 points8 points  (12 children)

Do you have any recommendations for reading on stoicism? i have struggled through reading Meditations.

[–]RoxoViejo 13 points14 points  (11 children)

Personally I found Meditations one of the easier works to read, although I read it in Dutch (my native tongue) instead of in English; the English version was hard for me as well. I've heard good things about "A Guide to the Good Life: The Ancient Art of Stoic Joy" by William Irvine. I don't know myself yet as I've just ordered it. Also, The Enchiridion contains short sections that are rather easy to read.

Hope this helps you start off. There are also numerous good blogs that can help you on your way like the Daily Stoic (https://dailystoic.com) and How To Be A Stoic (https://howtobeastoic.wordpress.com).

Take your time to learn and think about the stoic principles, they're well worth pursuing even though it's not easy in the beginning.

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Isn't that hypocrisy, though? If you're pursuing stoic principles, you're essentially doing what other men do by pursuing pussy. It's just that you've judged the idea of pursuing stoic principles higher than idea of chasing pussy. Both are ideas though and both you do to increase your sense of self-worth, make your ego happier.

Reminds me of the irony of chasing humbleness as a virtue. If you're chasing it then you're no longer able to be humble, because you want to wear it like you wear a shiny ring. There's no humbleness in saying "I'm a humble person".

[–]RoxoViejo 16 points17 points  (6 children)

I don't think so. If one pursues stoic principles to satisfy their ego, they don't understand stoicism and therefore are not stoic.

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Why do you pursue it then?

The sole act of pursuing is always motivated by ego.

[–]RoxoViejo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I believe that the ego most of the time works against us, that's why I'm so interested in stoicism. For me it's a vehicle to reach enlightenment. If the desire to reach enlightenment is ego driven or not is a whole other discussion.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Take what you like, leave the rest. You dont need to follow stoicism texts word for word. It's not a religion.

[–]jeco77 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The difference I would say is with Stoic principles, you are building your character and sense of worth and confidence for yourself and on your on foundation. It cannot be shaken by anyone but you because Its built on your character. This never changes as It comes from within. With chasing pussy you are building confidence on validation from others, from outside of yourself. This will never be as strong as inner confidence(built from within). This I would say is the difference.

[–]saultodamascus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The basic premise of stoicism is that virtue (wisdom, justice, courage, temperance) is the only inherent good, and vices (ignorance, inequality, cowardice, weak-will) are the only inherent bad things. Everything else is indifferent. The virtues are the only things you have control over, the only things you really "earn".

Nothing is bad unless it impedes on your virtues. Sex is indifferent, and as long as you're not being dumb, unfair, cowardly, or weak-willed in your pursuit of sex, then it literally does not matter. Stoicism is way too nuanced to explain here, but trust me, it's not hypocritical.

[–]nominal_eurasian points points [recovered]

There may be some nuance to it all but I think it's time we cut the shit. It's all about sex and what people think of you. In theory, TRP may not be about seeking validation from others but, in practice, it's exactly that

Amen. The practice of measuring your worth by your lay count or the women you're fucking is an extreme case of the blind leading the blind. Are women's instincts rational or wise? Fuck no. Why in the world, then, would we grant each other status based on pandering to them?

[–]crimsonkodiak 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Why in the world, then, would we grant each other status based on pandering to them? It's one of the most base forms of pandering, IMO.

Do we really grant each other status though?

I don't know about you, but I don't give two shits about how many girls a guy has had sex with. I honestly don't know that I know a single grown man's number other than my own or even anything other than having the most general sense.

Even if I knew, I wouldn't care. While I can't claim to care a lot about other guys, to the extent I grant them status/respect it's based on things like their occupation/income and physical fitness.

[–]whuttupfoo 4 points5 points  (1 child)

They do. If an average male sees how well you game in real life, you get seen as some sort of God doing the unknown.

[–]Future_Alpha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Status is first achieved internally and then noticed by everyone else, which makes it seem 'granted'

[–]LethalShade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As great as it sounds, this is a utopic idea about as realistic as flying pigs.

Men chasing women is not a social construct of modern times, it's literally imprinted into our biology. Eggs are rare, sperm is plentiful.

For sure the current state of affairs has amplified this paradigm significantly but to expect it to go away or even reserve is crazy.

[–]Akotad 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Being an Alpha imo can be summed up as the following:

1.Not giving a fuck about unimportant things.

2.Giving a fuck about important things.

3.Knowing yourself well enough to be able to determine what is important/unimportant at any given moment and adjusting to that perspective as you grow and change.

4.Have your shit together.

5.Don't be a pussy

6.Don't be autistic (unless you actually are in which case oh well).

TRP a few years ago really focused on this. I don't know what has happened to the sub recently as I dont browse regularly.

[–]bearinfoxhole 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The richest and most successful men I know don't chase women. Their SMV is so high that women are the ones who chase them and even lure them into situations where sex takes place

Hear hear. It is in female DNA since day1.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Unless you have a serious mental disorder, you will always need the approval of other people in your life. The difference to people who seemingly don't need it is that they already become enough so they don't chase it.

[–]RoxoViejo 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Mental disorder? I think it's a mental disorder when your ego runs your life and you need constant approval.

[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 18 points19 points  (3 children)

you will always need the approval of other people in your life

That's not a true statement at all.

I have never needed anyone's approval, not even my managers. Early on, I would tell them to stop patting me on the back for a great job, and to reward me with bonuses and raises (show me the money), and to keep the praise to themselves. (it worked for me, I now work for my self).

Approval? No. I do things in life because I want to do them. And I take along the people that want to do it with me.

[–]jeco77 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beautiful mentality right there.

[–]TheSameDifference 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Beautiful idea and 99.9999999% of the time most who say it on the internet are totally full of shit.

Work for yourself great I do as well, the money you make is a way of keeping score.

Having arm candy or fucking hot bitches is another way of keeping score.

Sorry I don't buy that you are Budhist and don't need anyone or any validation. You aren't making enough money and you aren't fucking enough or hot enough bitches period. If you were you wouldn't be posting in this sub.

[–]MorganTargaryen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if you were into fat girls you wouldnt mind showing her off then

[–]jeco77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wrong my friend. The only approval you need is yours. You see once you have that no other approval is needed, therefore you will not actively seek the approval of others. Those you constantly seek are those, I feel, have not truly accepted themselves for who they are and need to constantly fill that hole to feel valuable.

[–]The_Grey_Wolf 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Let me then ask you something. I am a 20 YO male, currently enrolled in college and I'm dominating it. While my face could use more work, my body is awesome because I've been working out for 2 years now. I read books, do math, I've been programming etc. In my college, I'd say I'm in the top 5%. I've also been on NoFap for 2 years.

However, I've never had sex with a girl and girls don't come easy for me. There are times where I am super-productive, learning 8 hours a day, to days where I hit low productivity and have a raging boner which says "Get laid...". I resist the urge, but sometimes it interferes with my productivity.

I don't know if I should keep focusing intensely on myself and not go out and approach, but I think that's just an excuse. I think I should start going out 3 times a week (take it as seriously as my exercise routine) and just approach, approach, approach. That way, during the day I can work on my skills and in the night I can work on my social skills. Thoughts?

[–]TheSameDifference 6 points7 points  (3 children)

You are in College women should be everywhere and it should be natural to be meeting them. If you can't do it in College you are fucked when you get older.

Don't go all MGTOW in College that would be a horrible idea, and stop reading this sub and go approach if you aren't this sub is useless to you.

You are 20 I bet NOFAP and NOSEX is killing you your libido and fucking with your head. It isn't healthy not to get a release every week or two, with a warm whole is much more ideal than your hand but you have a lot of work to do to start getting women and reading mostly angry shit and frame motivation on here isn't going to get you there.

[–]007smoove 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your doing your things Wolf, but don't forget to learn about women. The ultimate release for men is dominating & satisfying a lady you deem attractive in your 'La Cama " ( Bed). Remember your are #1, so take care of your fun, but don't be shy about sharing your desires, passions, and interest with others. Your 20 with ample time, things will only continue to evolve, so put yourself in that social dynamic now, so your ahead of the curve. Emotional and social intelligence are important skills to inherit. Use TRP and your experience of trial and tribulation. Social events 3 times a weeks is good. Approach women during the day & night. Just tailor your approach to the situation. Experience is the only way to create wisdom, anything else is inherited.

[–]LethalShade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have the right idea, but in college you should get laid using social circle skills, not necessarily cold approach.

You don't need to go all out and go drinking 2-3 times a week but you should have a circle of cool dudes that you hangout with that know girls and from there you interact with them and escalate and see where that takes you.

[–]Future_Alpha 0 points1 point  (3 children)

lure them into situations where sex takes place

Can you elaborate on that? Not quite sure what you mean.

[–]1Metalageddon 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Tuesday a girl I met invited me to her pool. Supposed to be a few people, I get there and it's her and 2 other girls, who had to leave. Yeah right.

Sunday a chick who I run with, came back to mix her shake, we're on my balcony and she goes it's so hot today, do you mind? And took off her top. She's got massive tits, 22 and perky, natural German redhead. Of course I fucked her.

Last Thursday I was checking a new plate, I pick her up and she's all "why not stay in". Yeah new plate. But seriously.

Two previous plates accidentally spilled things on themselves for an excuse to get home quickly from the bar/concert. They were pretty forward in walking around on underwear. (I thought you only spilled it on your blouse? Deniability, duh ok, let's get the condoms.)

One of my exes had been trying to get my attention for years. Literally years. I don't touch long distance though, so I never bit. She came back for a summer, called 2 of my friends to ask them not to drive me to my birthday party (we were renting a suite), and took me herself. Wearing green, one piece, commando, sat on my lap, sniped any girl who came close, and finally ended up orchestrating a 3way to seal the deal. I wanted to chill with my Bros but who turns down the bucket list?

An old assistant manager (okay she was a 7, but over 30), tried to get me to fuck her by offering to hook me up with free drinks and a promotion. Now that's aggressive. I said no, she said you're fired.

I caught a girl messing with the hot tub settings just to get me to come over and be present, while I was hosting. I really don't like that, but still just goes to show you.

Seriously I have stories of 15yrs of stupid shit girls do to get you to notice them or fuck them. Most happened after I was state level established. A lot of it is cute actually, like a puppy whose trained well pulling toilet paper to get your attention. Dawww. Some of it can become downright manipulative and malicious.

Girls will find ways to isolate you or be near you. Just a few recent examples. Remember, they're not often forward, they're going to do everything they can to stay in your line of sight and attention though. And if you ignore them enough or have enough smv they'll manufacture plausibly deniable excuses to remove clothes.

[–]Future_Alpha 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Never had experiences like that before. I dunno what age you are (I am 24), but those stories seem over-the-top, no offense intended. What specifically makes you have such a high SMV that girls will pull this kind of shit?

Also, kinda curious. What do 15 yr old grils do?

[–]jessesoccer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's good looking, if you're not good looking it may seem like science fiction to you.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 113 points114 points  (13 children)

Realized this a month or two ago. Life has never been better. Now i'm involved in all sorts of activities and look forward to the next day. Everyday is a new opportunity, not just Friday and the weekend.

The core issue is our biology. As I've said in a previous comment...

Q: Why are instincts, emotions, and other biological responses so hard to ignore and overcome despite knowing the best course of action?

A: The cerebrum, the home of the conscious mind that you experience in your day-to-day life, is but an ‘abstract layer’ placed on top of the more primitive portions of the brain. It is partially detached from the realm of your emotions and impulses, but only as a means to further aid the endeavors of the lower levels of the brain. The 'lower brain' has an hierarchy of needs. At the bottom, the most pertinent, are food, water,air, sleep, excretion, sex, and survival. This chasm between the conscious and subconscious mind is what you might call, ‘free will’. This chasm, this ‘free-will’, gives you the capacity to override your base programming, leaving room for learning and adapting to new situations in a shorter length of time… but only to a degree. This sense of 'free-will' is largely an illusion. The primitive portions of the brain are the ones really running the show behind the scenes. You, the dog; Your instincts, the owner. You are free to roam within the radius of the leash, but the owner leads the way.

You must intellectually override your biology to transcend. This doesn't mean give up women, just put them much lower on your priority scale. Your dna doesn't give a fuck about your emotional well-being, look at penguins, male preying mantis, or male angler fish for example. It doesn't care about family courts, the police, your ability to provide or any long term thinking. Pussy Pussy Pussy. Pussy all the time. Reproduce just cuz. This used to work in previous times, not anymore, at least if you give a shit about yourself and future kids.

I don't watch porn anymore, don't even remember the last time I did. It resulted in a 'lowered' sex drive and less masturbation. What I thought was my sex drive was just artificial stimulation and a conditioned mind that subconsciously expected another artificial dose. I don't always have to jerk off before I sleep nor do I debate in my head on whether or not I should when it's time for bed. I rarely if ever cold-approach anymore. I don't do bars. Now I do activities and hobbies and loving life.

When you transition your priorities away from pussy, you open your mind to a whole new world. That's not exactly accurate, it always existed, you were just blind to it, but it feels that way.

Once you realize that average girl pussy feels that same as attractive girl pussy, the only difference being your image and your ego, pussy is knocked off the pedestal. Of course image and ego are important and gratifying respectively, but not worth too much of your brain power and time. If you're always thinking about getting women or you view every weekend as a means to be around more women, you have no hobbies or other shit going on in your life.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 17 points18 points  (3 children)

It's great you've worked to that point but perhaps you are just not as interested because the challenge is over for you. You've achieved a good level of what you'd wanted from that part of life and now there's not much mystery left behind it.

Until others have worked to that point also, they will crave whatever experiences they perceive they are lacking.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 22 points23 points  (2 children)

It still takes work, I still have urges, I enjoy lovin', touchin', and squeezin' women, but the ends often don't justify the effort, though my boner would to try convince me otherwise. Women are getting picky and bitchy, specifically in the city. Same pussy, higher price. No thanks. Sometimes I just have to remind myself and hold faith in the logic until the hormones subside. Sometimes I think men were designed to be superior, but only as a means to further aid the feminine imperative. Slaves. I refuse.

Don't disregard sex entirely (you're a man, this is just hamstering), but knock it down a few notches on the priority scale. Life is better that way. Most of men's problems are caused by their desire for women whether it be the woman herself, or the behaviors and mindset that follow the desire.

[–]7898456 points points [recovered]

But its not pussy that is on the highest triangle in the heirarchy of needs, its sexual intimacy. There's a difference.

Just like a girl's subconscious mind will be screaming at her to get out of a relationship with a terrible beta billy, so too will your subconscious mind be influencing how intimacy feels with a fatty 5 vs a gorgeous 9. You're gonna feel 10x more sexually satisfied with a true hotty. Lets not deceive ourselves here.

[–]iopq 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Maybe romantically, but sexually my gf was way better than this random girl I hooked up with on OKC, despite the OKC girl being prettier.

[–]majaka1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Chemistry is important too.

Had a 10/10 girl and sex with her was fucking terrible. Like I couldn't wait her for to cum so j could kick her out. Fucking waste of time.

I would take my 7/10 regular plate who cooks and cleans and rides me like a champ doing her best to earn a gold medal over the 10 who rides like a dead horse any day.

[–]MyGoalIsToBeAnEcho 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is such a tough thing for me to explain to people. I enjoy the company of a women but I don't have to have it to enjoy my life on a daily basis. Life is great, and if I get laid then fantastic. But that isn't my goal, nor do I need it to validate or prove my value to people. I know I am a man with ambitions and focused on my goals. I don't want or need women to be indicators of my success in life.

[–]kaane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have some good points. But you can't override your biology intelligently.

I am far from being an advanced meditator but have been sitting for half a decade. The more i observe my own nature the more i see how deep and strong those emotions and instincts are.

Yes we are the most intelligent form of life in earth, but the power of your cognitive intelligence is no where near your deep intelligence

You got some good points though

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I am choosing a dvd for tonight

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I didn't quench the fire, I decided to light a different torch. The spirit of youth and energy still burns inside, but I'm using it for other experiences because I know logically that sex isnt fulfilling or a compliment at most (my boners always think otherwise, I just ignore it). Usually just satisfying an urge, like taking a dump. Dumps feel good, but when the last bit drops then what? You wipe your ass, flush the toilet, pull up your pants, wash your hands, then move on with your day. You dont look back a few days later and say "wow, that was a fantastic dump". It isnt fulfilling.

Sex is nice, but doesnt compare to going on some all day adventure away from the matrix or exercising the body in an activity or some thrill, meeting other like minded people along the way. Your hormones are designed to blind you to this. You just have to have faith in the logic in the mist of the hormones. If a sexual opportunity (ie iois) presents itself and doesnt interrupt what I want to do, Ill give a try.

Dont attempt to escape your sexual nature, you'll be miserable. Just dont go as commanded everytime the leash is jerked.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 45 points46 points  (2 children)

Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.

  • Oscar Wilde

We evolved this complex brain and use it to deceive ourselves from our primary purpose of procreation.

Sex in relationships is very important too. And relationships are important.

Dont neglect your Maslows Hierarchy of Needs

[–]bigmfkr 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This should be at the fucking top. How bad has this sub fallen:(

It. Is. About. Power.

[–]mordowiciel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would give you +100 for this quote if I could.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Here is the bottom line. The more testosterone a man has, the higher his sex drive. No matter how you slice it, there is a Maslow's hierarchy that we as humans generally - not always, but generally - do conform to. We can debate where sex is on that heirarchy, but I believe it's one of the most important needs because like other animals in nature, we are programmed to need to pass on our genes.

It's as much a part of our subconscious as the need women experience is to take high status semen from virile, healthy, tall, strong males with strong jawlines and symmetrical features. We cannot divorce this part of us - doing so is as ludicrous and women becoming pantsuit corporate types and divorcing their feminine side, not having kids, etc.

Sex is our reason to be as mammals. But we are more than mammals, we can do better than our natural programming. We can control our emotions, we can control where our focuses.

But what happens when you don't get sex? You feel like you are failing your reason to be. You feel like you must be deficient as a man, that everyone else was built right but you're just unattractive, invisible, valueless, and defunct. This is exactly how women feel when they realize their beauty has shriviled up and men no longer look at them with lust and people don't treat them special any more. They feel valueless and they do anything - plastic surgery, drugs, etc, lipo, crazy diets, massively complex facial care routines, etc to try to bring just a semblance of that value back.

It's sad, but really, look at betas. THEY ARE SAD. When you are sad, not being sad anymore because the most important thing in your life, and you think not being sad comes from inserting your penis into a woman. Well, it does and it doesn't. Happiness comes from being the type of man who's inserted his penis into enough women to no longer pedestalize sex beyond a fun hobby / pleasure.

I encourage all betas to just give in and try to get sex. Learn the shit, just like I did - go talk to girls, go out fri/sat every week 52 weeks a year and try to pull girls. You will learn so much and become so much more confident, socially competent, ballsy, relaxed, and you may only pull 1-2 times a year, but you will get so much better at interacting with women and communicating emotionally / physically.

Because the truth is, I can tell you to not think about sex, but you're not going to fucking do it, are you? You want it. Look at these fucking indians out there giving us brown folk a bad name on Tinder by fucking spamming white chicks all day long with the most depraved beta come-ons I've ever seen in my life. These dudes are the most horny, deprived pathetic motherfuckers and I feel genuinely bad / horrified because the last thing we as indians need is another reason to be thought of as unsexy.

Back to the point though. Now imagine telling this guy on tinder to stop thinking about sex. He's not going to do it! Just no, guys aren't going to stop thinking about sex anymore. These guys need to EMBRACE it and let it motivate them to get into the gym. Think about the pussy, let it drive you to work out and buy good clothes and shave your mustache and get lean. That desire will be there until you get laid enough; it will not go away through meditation or any affirmations. You just have to fuck, and the sooner you figure out how to start getting laid, the sooner you will be freed from this Beta Quest MMO you've been playing all your life, and the sooner real life can begin. You have to just sate the urge and prove to yourself that you indeed can be worthy of attracting hot women, you are a success as a male. Then your brain kinda just clicks - OK, Cool, I can move on now.

But to get to that point, you have to just spear your dick through until you get to the end of the tunnel. The shortcut (acting like some meditative monk motherfucker on TRP and telling newbies to just "not think about sex!" and "just be enlightened, women don't matter, pussy doesn't matter, go your own way!" is far worse. Because 10/10 I promise you it won't work.

[–]notnonymous1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the best post I've read, heck, anywhere.

[–]PM_ME_UR_HOT_PIXELS points points [recovered]

Its important to understand that sex isn't necessarily required to live but is required for life. So yes if you don't want kids it's easy to say you don't need sex but at so.e point you can say this about a lot of things. You don't NEED to put cream in your coffee, you don't need to read books, you don't need most of your possesions, you don't need friends.

Well life sucks now. I want to want things. It's why I get out of bed, it's why groom the way I do, it's why I work out and keep low on the carbs, it's why o care about myself.

Give up sex and you will inevitably let a lot of things that you do indirectly for sex fall apart.

Sex is important because it's why drives you to do so much of what you do and backs up a large portion of ego and personality.

Dare I say use it or lose it. But it extends to so much more then you can imagine.

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Going further, you don't need to lift, you don't need to create art, you don't need tasty food.

I see this kind of attitude forcefully making sex less of value than it is to conversate. But you don't know what you get out of a situation until you do it. As for value in-before the act, one gives value based on previous experiences and/or beliefs about the activity.

[–]meh613 49 points50 points  (27 children)

It's not. That's the point of red pill, IMO. The whole objective here is to replace the addiction you allude to with something else, something focused on self-improvement. Which, generally, means lifting weights.

[–]WalterEArmstrong 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Lifting weights promotes the production of testosterone and intensifies one's desire for sex.

[–]UsuarioSecreto 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Lifting weights promotes the production of testosterone and intensifies one's desire for sex.

Has this been proven?

In my experience, this is not the case, it is actually the opposite. Going to the gym helps me reduce my anxiety, my horniness and my desire for sex, which helps me focus my attention on more productive things.

[–]Fulp_Piction 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AFAIK testosterone levels grow based on your physical activity level. It makes sense, as when these systems were evolved physical activity meant either hunting or war, which testosterone aids. It also makes you more likely to reproduce. Meaning that the guy who's better at hunting and fighting is more likely to pass on his genes, and the human race grows stronger.

This is all opinion but I'm sure you'll find studies if you want to go looking.

[–]madmike11 8 points9 points  (17 children)

Or making money, or something to be remembered for. Basically something productive.

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUs 9 points10 points  (16 children)

So the options are fame, fortune or women? Can we aim a little higher?

[–]nominal_eurasian points points [recovered]

Community, self-mastery, virtue. 'Transcendence', perhaps, for a more all-encompassing word. It seems like this community is going through an awakening along these lines.

[–]1SirKolbath 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As simple as this is, it is also one of the most impactful messages I have yet read on this sub.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's more mgtow than red pill. But the line is very blurry these days. I see strong mgtow vibes a lot lately.

[–]thrillhouss3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. It's being self sufficient. Not self reliant on women.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, it is not. The core of the red pill is sexual strategy. This is a matter of fact.

[–]stankovic32 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish I didn't give myself tendinosis in both supraspinatus tendons. I want to cry when I read this shit ha

[–]JokerChaos77 74 points75 points  (2 children)

It's not. Pretty much the opposite. Sex is the only power women have over you, it's their leash on men. Once you break free from your obsession with sex, you are finally able to care only about yourself and work on self improvement. Ironically enough, when you stop obsessing over sex, it will come easier than before. It's the female contradiction in all its glory, when it comes to them, pretty much everything about them is the opposite of what they tell you/you thought you knew. It's fine and healthy to have sex every now and then, we need it because we are slaves to our natural need to procreate. Having sex occasionally to clear your mind is the way to go. Never let yourself become a slave to sex, it makes you weak and empowers women, who will step all over you. As for the posts you're mentioning. TRP has been invaded with a couple of idiots who know and have learned nothing from here. They are still blinded by sex, they are still whipped. TRP is not about getting laid, and it's not getting laid what makes you an alpha. It's the complete opposite. They are blue pill beta cucks, they are lying to themselves. Anyone who is redpilled can see that clearly, they cannot. Conclusion, break free from that chain, once you do, you will become unstoppable.

[–]aanarchist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

more than a couple it's practically the norm.

[–]OldGuyRedux 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Good reminder that women are a side dish, you always maintain your mission. The generally great feeling I get from being in shape, having cash and a happy life is it's own reward. It's a great side effect to have possibilities for a hot encounter, but its beta to make that your GOAL

[–]JohnGalt316 203 points204 points  (10 children)

sex is like air

it only matters if you aren't getting any

[–]UsuarioSecreto 38 points39 points  (0 children)

This does not answer OP's question. In fact, it's far from being an acceptable answer because it is reflecting the ideology from TRP that confuses OP.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 19 points20 points  (0 children)

sex is like air it only matters if you aren't getting any

But then it REALLY fucking MATTERS!

[–]beginner_ 18 points19 points  (6 children)

This. OP try to go 1 month, 6 month, 1 year, 5 years without sex and then report back if you are still mental in a good place.

Living of masturbation is like living with sugared drinks and fast food. You live but you sure ain't happy or healthy.

[–]_MysticFox points points [recovered]

Still a virgin, rubbing one out seems to do the job

[–]beginner_ 2 points3 points  (4 children)

You age? Honestly now the whole post looks like searching for a lame excuse not to put yourself out there. Besides getting sex, goign out there and learning game also helps with your social skill in general which helps with your SMV and with getting jobs, friends,....

As I said:

Living of masturbation is like living with sugared drinks and fast food. You live but you sure ain't happy or healthy.

possible but then you best forget about TRP and prepare for a dull, unfulfilling beta live.

[–]dudeson92 points points [recovered]

I'm no virgin and I'm putting myself out there which is not a problem for me. Sometimes successfully sometimes not, I'm still learning. This post was not about looking for excuses by any means.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

the response wasnt meant for u, but for mystic.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Humans have a biological need for sex. In fact, it is an evolutionary imperative.

In addition, on some primal level, men's self-esteem is connected to women's opinion of them, probably because in ape tribes the alpha male got all the women.

Modern corporate America takes advantage of these natural biological urges and hypes them to insane level such that men think that sex with a hot woman is the pinnacle of life and success. While sex is important, it should not be the most important thing in one's life by a longshot. Nor should one spend their life chasing tail or think that fucking lots of different women somehow makes them a better guy.

[–]johnson89893 28 points29 points  (1 child)

When you have SMV of 2 then it takes lots of resources to get laid. At this point yes you should forego chasing women(and wasting your time/resources). You should be in the gym, in the library, in the kitchen whatever.

When your SMV is 9 the resources needed to get sex is minimal. At this stage enjoy the fruits of your labor. Walk in to a bar, effortlessly pull.

TRP is a journey.

[–]CaptainBW 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As others have said, it's simply an aspect of life. It feels good and that's incentive to continue the species. Doesn't necessarily means it's "good." I think of it as a preferred indifferent. If you're making yourself better with the underlying reasoning being to have more sex, I'd say your mental foundation is weak. One should make themselves better for themselves - because they have the ability to. And from that, quality partners and quality sex will come about. And might not be a popular opinion around these parts, but recently I've started to view sex as a more intimate and special thing. The symbolism of two beings giving themselves to each other in such a physical manner is meaningful to me. Self control is a good thing and thirsting after sluts for the sake of sex can hinder self control in other areas of your life.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Sex is the currency of the sexual marketplace. It's much like asking why money is important. As this clip from The Aviator demonstrates, it's easy to say that money is not important if you have always had it.

Your SMV goes beyond just having tons of sex. SMV also correlates to social value which will help you in your business endeavors especially if you work in an industry focused on SMV.

It will also allow you to chose among the best of the best women should you choose to get married. And if you choose to stay single and spin plates, a high SMV will allow you to have fun with beautiful women without having to invest much time gaming women.

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Reading the replies in this thread it looks like people on this sub are on a circlejerk train when it comes to value of sex to a human being. People pretend they're more enlightened than they really are. This makes for a narrow amplitude of type of replies.

[–]1OneRedYear 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Amen, This thread is so blue it looks like a fucking smurf cosplay convention.

[–]kaane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Most people think that they swallowrled the pill and get what it is about.

If you look only to the comments here you will see that there are at least 20 different versions of the "truth"

Well the thing is you need to work hard, build up the experience, be clever enough and be lucky to get there. And when you get there, you stay there, do not get online and do circle jerking on reddit

[–]moonpodrising 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Sex is essentially, largely just another entertainment activity. But it's important too, because of the personal qualities it demands that a man develop. These largely overlap with attributes of a fully-formed, functional human male. What really matters: the qualities that men demand from men, in an entirely nonsexual context.

That's the difference between masturbation and sex.

So I'm putting some effort into dating. I'm paying more attention to my career and I'll keep playing videogames until I'm dead.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To me, it's just fun. The thrill of the chase is so primal.. Its not all about the pussy for me.. Like the thrill of a hunt is not in the feast, rather the glory occurs once you know the meat is yours.

[–]G4RRETT 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You can't rationalize away sex drive no matter how hard you hamster. It's one of the most basic evolutionary desires. Maybe if you can talk yourself into not wanting sex you have an abnormally low sex drive.

[–]gromitfromit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Man, sex is a normal human thing. Porn is recent. Humans have been fucking for pleasure since the dawn of man. There is too much of an emphasis on sex nowadays. If you aren't getting much, I can understand your point of view. The process leading up to it can be equally as pleasurable. Once you flourish and become a man (red pill can only take you so far. Experience is key. ) you will see it is something you must have, similar to oxygen. Unless it ain't your thing, then hey.. to each his own.

[–]FlexGunship 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No need to be a conformist. If sex isn't important to you then it isn't.

[–]Hitleresque 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sex is important because it's an instinctual human behaviour. You can convince yourself you don't need sex all you want, but your body and your subconscious mind will still crave because it's what animals have been genetically programmed to do for hundreds of millions of years.

[–]RedPillAccount69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Great, another post by a loser who can't get laid trying to hamster it as being red-pill, and of course the incel losers come out to validate him.

[–]Wraeclast_Exile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think sex is great for the health. There have been studies. It has to do with not just cardio, but stuff that's released into your body.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Hormones, stress relief, happiness inducer, prelonged life, improved immune system, plenty other health and pshycological benefits. This is our main evolutionary goal, and we are build to want it. It's like asking why food is important, or why we want to eat.

[–]1OneRedYear 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But you can just eat vitamins and soylent, why would you ever want steak? /s

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

and those benefits u get from just masturbating as well.

[–]uNhoLeee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its just like an itch. No matter how many girls ive plowed through a fresh one is always exciting. Sometimes sex is amazing. Sometimes ok. Sometimes a chore.

[–]1SuperStalin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good luck trying to negate the existence of biology, psychological undercurrents...

Your body doesn't care about what's considered logical. Your brain is a part of that body.

You can't apply half-assed logic to such a massively complex system. When a system is so complex, any human logic is half-assed. The best you can do is wing it, and try what you think works. TRP is better at working than a lot of other things, but it barely scratches the surface of everything regarding being a human male.

I'd like to try existence outside this biology that's been chiseled by billiona of years of evolution, perhaps when we all become a part of some AI, we can be something else, but in the meantime, you can try being a human who is less confused and suffers less. That's the best you can do.

[–]thetrpthrowaway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cause you're wired to reproduce and pass on your genes. Simple

[–]UberWagen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you'd enjoy MGTOW (Men going their own way) if you're not on it already.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A man needs a whore/bitch.

I get a rush of emotions when I'm intimate with a female and my lizard brain likes it when I'm about to impregnate a female.

[–]iwasbornred 6 points7 points  (2 children)

You're 100% correct.

There is nothing alpha about making your entire life around something that is basically a vice. Sex has purposes beyond pleasure, but 99% of the time pleasure is the only reason we're doing it.

My attitude towards women up until I was 18 was pretty mgtow. I didn't feel that the women I had a chance with had much to offer me outside of sex-I mean seriously, there were not too many bitches from my high school that were extremely fascinating in any way, or at least none that I became aware of(I'm sure there were some great girls there, just not plentiful/easy to find). I kind of just thought eh, I'm gona focus on me and my life instead of putting forth stupid amounts of effort to convince some chick she should lose her vCard to me or to bang the school sluts. Although there were some flaws with this logic and i do kind of regret not experiencing the whole high school sex thing, I definitely respect that version of myself much more than what came after-not immediately, I actually handled my first few plates pretty well, and implemented abundance mentality beautifully with the girl I lost my virginity to, despite the fact that I was a virgin before fucking her and actually did not have other options the entire time we were hooking up. The thing was, she was a few points below me in smv and I knew it, so I didn't value her a ton even though she was my only pussy. This of course made her addicted as fuck(plus my big dick helps).

Anyway, it all fell apart with my first girlfriend. Should've dropped or demoted her to plate status on many occasions but made excuses over and over. But I didn't, because I was overvaluing the sex. I was willing to compromise boundaries because of sex. This should never happen, you must always keep abundance mentality whether you actually have abundance or not.

Nowadays I'm more like my high school self, but with the experience and aggression necessary to get laid when the opportunity is there. But I don't do tinder, I don't do a bunch of approaches every day, I don't go hunting at the nightclubs. I just live life and allow women to become a part of it when they do.

[–]untrp 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This should never happen, you must always keep abundance mentality whether you actually have abundance or not.

Apart from lifting, this is probably the mentality and advice that I resonate with and practice as often as possible. It's a key in so many ways, and not just in relationships and sex, but in life in general. Even in situations when you're with a single girl and she's all you have, you can look at abundance mentality in multiple honest ways without having other plates or other potential one night stands, and still have abundance towards the situation. You can look at it as a time situation, where out of all the things you could be doing right now, you're choosing to spend time on this one thing. Weight it as equally as anything else in your life, and it's not a difficult way to look at it.

[–]iwasbornred 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly. There is literally always something more productive to be doing than hanging out with some chick.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 3 points4 points  (2 children)

But if you are not in a LTR and procreation isn't your goal either than the sole purpose of it is enjoyment isn't it?


It really won't get you further in life, unless you are fucking your boss...

Indirectly, it will.

What I have come to realize is that the litmus test of your social ability is your ability to deal with women. The litmus test of your ability to deal with women is your ability to fuck them. And social ability is the most fundamental aspect of your progress in life.

If you're a guy that fucks, doors open for you. That is why sex is so important.

[–]ForgingFakes 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Couldn't this be considered the male hamster?

Women want resources so they scramble to use their sex to get them.

Men want a high status so they work to get it.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

[–]Bing400 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This raises questions that reach into the roots of the human condition itself- let me explain.

Let's ask "why is sex important?" we would say that because we are men and we need to spread our seed, or maybe because it feels good. Then as you said, we would question the usefulness of those principles, why even do any of this? I don't have the answer to such a deep question, philosophers through the ages also worked on this.. So much of redpill theory, if we dig deeper into the semantics and the reason behind why we do any of this, leads us to this wall of very deep questions that makes us think of what it means to be a man, and even what it means to be alive. Then we could raise the idea of life and death.

Just today this girl was talking about what she wanted to do with her life, what was her life's task and I could feel that she was having a tough time with it and didn't want to think about it- Freud called this repression, it's a way of protecting yourself from uncomfortable emotions. No wonder all of us are fucking confused, women included. No wonder women seem so irrational, no wonder they seek sexual pleasure to the point of depravity, no wonder they drink and club and look for alpha males and drama along with it when the pressures of existence itself are unveiled to us all. Ignorance is bliss? Maybe, I wouldn't know.

But this is just a thought.

TLDR: There's a lot of existential philosophy underlying TRP and sexuality

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As others said, it's only important when you're not getting it. Men can achieve great things when not just focusing on sex, but unfortunately, most of us need to get our fill of getting laid first. This is what TRP is all about. You work on getting your sex life in order, then you can move beyond sex and pursue goals more worthy of your time and attention.

[–]Lateralanouncer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How we fuck is how our society is built. Look at most third world cultures that have arranged marriages they don't have to work as hard to get pussy and there society reflects that.

Traditionally for sex, men would marry a woman, provide for that woman and at the same time men would build a strong western society.

Now As woman/feminist have changed the sexual strategy. Many Men have lost motivation to be men (why go to university to marry a woman that gives her best to randoms alphas).

Men are now adjusting to match woman's sexual strategy. By focusing our sexual energy on our selfs, Lifting, game why ever you want to do.

Sex is our motivation.

[–]TheMinistryOfAwesome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, this question is basically redundant to a degree, since it just 'is' a part of you.

Sex is so important because it is encoded into everything you are as the primary driving force for your life. If sex wasn't important you'd be a broken human.

There is no cerebral way to overcome a sex drive, it's base and primal, you might as well say "why do i always get anxious when confronting a possible threat" - even if that threat is something that doesn't manifest as an actual threat to your person.

Unless you are broken, as a person (read: asexual or something) then sex is probably is that top driving force in life. On the occasion where you're confronted with starvation or immediate danger then those things quickly jump to the top but without those everything you do is directly driven by the need for sex OR indirectly to advance within the social hierarchies in which you exist (the cornerstone of TRP teachings), which is the primary selection method for sexual procreation in humankind.

Now that it's said...

If sex weren't an issue, why would you ever care to get jacked? Why would you care to be 'alpha'? It's an technique for elevating your position within the social hierarchies - and the only reason to do that is sexual selection.

You could reduce it to: "why do i need people to like me? Why do i need to be sociable? etc."

Ultimately, embrace it for what it is. And manage it well. If you let sex take over your life then you're basically its puppet and if you don't put a lid on it then you're more likely to move to the neediness state that everyone here admonishes. The best way to do that is to get it regularly.

Once you get sex into place and you've set up a system where you can constantly get it there is a foundation provided that lets you elevate even further. Without it, you're kind of like a dying man gasping for breath (even if only for the reason that your social worth is diminished and your ego takes a hit).

Agree or not, it might be poorly articulated but idfaf.

[–]Nikelu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a question for ask trp tbh

[–]Everybodypoopsalot points points [recovered]

Simple: People whose ancestors' brains didnt motivate them to have sex and procreate got outbred by the breeders (all of our ancestors). You come from a long line of people motivated to fuck. This guys' ancestors fuck!

[–]Tamazin_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually enjoy meeting new people, the hunt, conversations, a reason to grab a beer etc.

Its not only the sex that is enjoyable.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We are a product of evolution. If sex didn't motivate us, we would not exist.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sex is a drive we have, neglect it and you invite more problems. It's biological far more than hedonistic. I used to need it far more often than I do now. From 12 to 38 it was necessary at least 3 times a week to get off, either jerking it or getting laid. Now at 48, I can go a couple months without pussy and it doesn't bother me, but I will still willingly fuck four or more days a week with the opportunity. Mostly, I don't care anymore, but before it was a need. Depression, anger, resentment, and a fog in my mind prevented me from thinking if I went too long without.

As we age, it seems to drop off, but it's still a great part of life.

No, I don't spend time chasing pussy, yes I get laid often. It's not all consuming, and was more of an annoyance in my younger years because it's far better with a girl than a hand. Still is. I have one girl 7 hours away that does the job, but I have several others I can call up if that one decides to move on. Knowing I have pussy at the touch of my phone means I don't have to spend any time getting new girls. I still need to get laid, but not as often.

Your drive is different than mine, but you need to satisfy it sometime. The more you get off in your youth, and your whole life honestly, the less likely you'll get prostate cancer. That's a proven fact. Your balls don't give a fuck if it's jerking it or fucking some twat, but the test is so much more fun and satisfying.

[–]TheSameDifference 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post I struggle with this. Sex with 'Randoms' who will sleep with you fast has to be with a Condom. As a circumcised man I hate condom sex I feel very little so it sucks.

Yes it is validation and ego stroking when I can fuck a women 10 - 20 years younger than me but their eyes glaze over when I tell them what I do and the conversation is boring as hell so there is no connection. Women even 5 years younger than me are post wall, a nightmare to seduce and ate, and desperate as all hell to have kids and not worth it.

But do I really need to keep proving I can fuck younger women who are flakey as fuck? Do I really need to have razor sharp game so that I always spot the tinyiest of escalation windows so that the hot as hell but dumb as fuck 22 year old will fuck me and I don't get autorejected if I didn't see it?

I don't care what anyone says here, banging women is a lot of work, and its even more work finding one who you give a fuck about for more than her warm tight holes.

I might be able to to improve my game and improve my chances of Meet to Fuck time ratios but at a HUGE expense.

Time, Money, Aggravation and dealing with women's bullshit. Anyone who says it isn't a numbers game and good preselection is the key is FULL OF SHIT.

Stages of Redpill, 1. Anger, 2. Depression, 3. Acceptance AWALT well I rotate from one 1 to 3 on any given day and even though I know I shouldn't give a fuck how women treat me it doesn't go unnoticed and it does affect me.

Now don't get me wrong MGTOW is so wrong I don't reccomend it that is way way too far on the wrong side of the fence on so many levels I have nothing to do with those P**** Hs but if your goal in life is to get as much young hot py as you can you eventually grow up and need new goals.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the sole purpose of it is enjoyment isn't it?

Depends who you are.

For many men (me included) sex is deeply physically emotionally satisfying and its absence is emotionally painful.

[–]seands 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Studies have shown that happines is essentially tied to 3 things: a base of good health and finances, and then relationships, both platonic and sexual. Working backwards from that it is fair to say that being sexually satisfied is important.

[–]DatingCoach111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's all about validation for the ego. It's important to men and women alike, but it's all an illusion. Let go of the illusion that women will bring happiness, and you paradoxically gain everything you desire when you no longer desire it.

[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sex with a real person is a two-way activity, and, when done right, is 1000% better and more rewarding then sex with your self (masturbation).

Sex with yourself is simpler and quicker. But not more fulfilling on the Body, Mind, and Heart (emotions) aspect.

but also a lot more time consuming to set up.

I have realized, after being out of the game for a while, that I thoroughly enjoy the "thrill of the hunt". Yes, it takes some time, more time then sex with your self, the the rewards are significantly better and worth the effort.

If you are not seeing the rewards in sex with another person, simply said... you are not doing it right. (and there are plenty of subs to help with that too!)

How much real sex have you had in your life?
how many relationships have you been in?

[–]HypergaMouse 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Because, sex gives us a moment of total release (more so than masturbation). And release is the highest freedom and the highest pleasure.

As humans we are born into the polarities of good and bad, pleasure and pain and this release is a total escape from them all.

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUs 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nice theory, but all sexual animals, and even plants for that matter, have a primal urge to sexual reproduction. So I don't think the explanation can turn on our status "as humans."

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They have it for sexual reproduction, not for pleassure.

[–]Arnoux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is what I am thinking about the previous months. The sex is just an another form of addiction.

Exactly like your brains tell you to eat fatty stuff, because in the past storing fat was good strategy, because the common famine. Nowadays it is not the best strategy, because we have abundance of food. Sex is the same. In the past it was the tool to procreate. Nowadays either you use condom, or the girl is on the pill. Neither you nor the girl want a baby from a random hookup. Also having child has consequences for the man, not like in the past. In the past you fucked the bitch, she bears a child and you could just abandon her. Now you have to pay child support.

I've been with over 40 girls and I was addicted to chasing girls. I have made zero babies in the process. I just can't really bother to chase another girl, mostly because of the time investment. (going to her place, maybe spending the night there). I just rather masturbate in 3 mins and the urge is over for a day.

LTR is the next level, when you actually like to spend time with the girl (not only when you are horny as fuck) and also planning a future together. (like having a family)

[–]vic_rattle18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sex essentially is a measure a of your SMV. The hotter and more frequent women you have sex with, the higher your SMV.

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is perhaps the single most profound question that can be asked about life on earth. Literally every single thing that every plant or animal has ever done in all of history was motivated by a drive to live and reproduce. If you realize that ultimately it doesn't mean anything, then the next step in your chain of reasoning is ...?

[–]imn0tg00d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You guys are scarring me here. If you zoom out enough, nothing matters (think of carl sagan's little blue dot speech). Don't zoom out of your life, it still has relevant meaning to you. Thinking like this post will only lead to depression.

[–]2positive points points [recovered]

So we are a bunch of semi intelligent apes on a giant rock blasting through cold dark space. We have on average about 70 years of time on this rock. WTF do you do with your time here? There are really not that many really amazing things to do. Career/business? It's thrilling for a really small amount of people, for most it's a means to an end. Being intimately close (and sex is as close as you can get) with another breathing human being like you, feeling them and sharing this experience ranks pretty high in my list of cool stuff to do on this rock. A wheelie on my powerful motorcycle ranks pretty high too. Seriously comparing this to a bunch of pixels moving on a screen is kind of stupid OP.

Or you can look at this from another angle. In many ways happiness is regret minimization. If you have no regrets about your life you should rank pretty high in happiness. And looking back at long periods of video games and masturbation you might feel some regret. Looking back at periods when you were totally focused on achievements, career etc. a lot of people still feel regret (just look up common regrets of very old people this is the most popular one). You need balance of course and not dedicate your whole life to chasing women, and btw if it takes too much time you are likely doing something wrong.

And one more thing. Are you really doing something impactful? Sending people on Mars? Curing cancer etc? Getting somewhat higher in social rank, making some money is not that impactful, no one is really going to love you more for that. Yes you should chase those things too but enjoying your journey is key to long term happiness and not your achievements.

[–]Desadarius 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's quite interesting. Some men want to impact the world and have that drive engrained into them, and others want to simply enjoy their time on Earth.

[–]Katavasis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are you guys blabbing about really? There is a healthy approach to 'women are just an added bonus to a well-lived life' and there is rationalization of ill habits.

You don't find value in sex? Great! Don't do it then. But ask yourself: Do i really believe that having sex is not worth the hustle or i just want an easy way out? Or am i fixating so much about sex that my brain is trying to find ways to alleviate me of the discomfort of compulsive sexual thoughts?

[–]I-Think-It-Is-Shit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally I think guys who are 7/10 or lower obsess about sex and are here in the redpill. Guys who are 9/10. 10/10 just have sex regularly and don't mind

[–]redpect 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's only as important as you make it. at the end of the day your biology was designed to make you do things when you didn't have consciousness, when you were just an animal. that's why hunger and thirst and horniness feel so dire. a dude who isn't having sex and isn't thinking beyond biology has it in the back of his head going OH MY GOD MY GENETIC LINEAGE WILL DIE IF I DON'T FUCK FEMALE. at the end of the day you can know better and choose to stop being such a pussy about it. on the other hand some dudes just can't let go of their beta programming telling them to worship pussy, and can't let go of the idea that their ability to get some pussy is what decides their value as a man. i have women in my life right now but whether they stay or not won't really be that big a deal, more will come and more will go, i still have things that need to be done regardless of if they're there or not.

[–]solstice38 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one at all is saying that sex SHOULD be important for you. If it's not, then certainly don't bend over backwards trying to get it.

In TRP terms, define your own frame where sex is not the top priority, and stick to it.

[–]TheWhiskeyTickler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you know if your hard work in a sport or martial art has paid off? How do you know if you are good at it? By competing and winning. How do you know if you are financially sucessful? Having a nice house, assets, and disposable income. How do you know that you have achieved a high level of SMV or attractiveness? By boning multiple women! Sex is the metric for success in that category. You don't need a black belt in jiu jitsu or a corvette parked at your beach house but can you get those things when you climb the self improvement mountain.

[–]eyesopen1111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Having an exciting, empowered, and fulfilling love life is part of living well--like eating great food or traveling to beautiful places or driving a car that makes your pulse quicken.

Game helps you to achieve social goals, and psychologically healthy people usually want to successfully interact with others. I love game and have learned from all sorts of game ideas, so I think a person should chase their ideal lifestyle, however much sex that is for them.

[–]1Jax77789 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I relate. However, I think your problem is more one of allocation of your energy and attention. I enjoy gaming and BSing women a whole lot more than just fucking them. After a while it gets repetitive, I could care less about validation from others and children are off my mind. Yes you are right if sex is your only goal with girls then the ROI does not justify the effort. So maybe you should just consider that women are fun to game and do not become some sort of a shut in RPer ? Game for the sake of gaming. You know what puts a smile on my face ? When I remember all the BS I make women swallow and the hilarious text exchanges I have with them. It is a lot of fun.

Then then, remember Rollo Tomassi : "a woman should only complement a man's life". If women are your priority, you are doing it wrong.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you want an answer? read the chapter in napoleon hill's book titled "think and grow rich", chapter titled "the mystery of sex transmutation". chapter 11 i believe. there's your answer.

[–]RatioRegnum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To quote Frank Underwood quoting Oscar Wilde - "Everything is about sex except sex. Sex is about power."

In sex both male and female realize their particular forms of power to achieve their genetic drive to reproduce. Because we are a complex species this is a complex exchange, but at bottom line it is about power. Above the bottom line, there are a host of other human needs that sex provides the foundation for - intimacy, companionship, social regard, to name a few.

Masturbation gives the physical pleasure of sex - it can even be more pleasurable than sex, but it does not express your power, and it cannot meet higher level needs.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (0 children)


In a world without the Blue Pill mythology and it's laws and Feminists the masculine and feminine would work together in perfect harmony to create life.


So "Yes" in the perfect world men and women would create a family.

However... since we live in a fucked up world we must learn the Red Pill to figure out what can be done to create a positive identity when things are this fucked up.

The Red Pill is (in our time) an adaptation to a bad situation.

This is the hand we were dealt.


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know for me it was the main goal at the beginning. It's good to start somewhere and in my story, I was THIRSTY AS FUCK for the puss. So I worked hard to improve my getting ability and it paid off.

It's only after you get it easily that you can move onto bigger and better things. I think for reformed pussies like me the first thing you idolize and work towards is the ability to pull women. Once you have that skill, it becomes practical to move onto something more important because you don't idolize that aspect of life anymore.

One of these days I'll articulate that story better but TRP was the slap in the face I needed and 3 years on, it's a big part of my growth in career, personality and overall happiness. It all started with pulling bitches though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Evolution, you run an algorithm programmed into you by 250k years of speciation, pass on your genes and procreate, sex is the proxy and it is literally the reason you live for, do you think a few 100 years of socialization has the ability to change your genetic code?

[–]whuttupfoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel this. The thrill of gaming women is far more enjoyable to me than sex these days. When I have sex it’s more of a reward I’m giving her for making my time with her really enjoyable

[–]josiasx 0 points1 point  (2 children)

People seem to miss that theirs allot more to sex than just making babies.

The bonded pair coupling. The traditional nuclear family, is the best model for raising children prepared to be adults. Because of this, the chemical and hormonal exchange that occurs during sex benefits both genders, and is necessary for your health.

Blah, Blah, blah, feminism, no-fault divorce, alimony, hypergamy, blah, blah, blah.

Our continuous urge for sex, keeps us anchored to society, and to women. Other wise, why not just disappear on some uncharted island some where. Its this need to continuously discharge this bio-electric charge, that keeps us attached to a social system. And this social system will use this as leverage to make us contribute.

This really isn't so bad. When we understand how it works. We realize that one gender isn't alone in this system of control. In fact, we are the ones with the power. While male urges require relief, the female urge requires a bond, that only works properly when she is submissive.

We seriously have the better half of the equation.

[–]TheSameDifference 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"The bonded pair coupling" The worst post redpill day for me after a whole adult life of going from girlfriend to girlfriend was fucking a girl who I was really into and then her not returning my text the next day for almost 24 hours. Still fucking her(maybe) but we have no real connection.

She pretended to not be a slut, and said "that it was much quicker than she is expected" but I don't believe her. There was zero pair bonding afterwards and this was truly a disappointment because the sex alone wasn't worth it. I tend to think girls who have had many partners act like that as they are not capable of pair bonding and if they are it takes a lot more than sex for it to happen.

[–]josiasx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They've proven that the more partners a women has before marriage, the more likely the marriage is to fail.

So yea, the chemicals that are released in the vagina, especially if the gal orgasms, literally create an addiction to the male chemicals that are injected into her. But having tasted to many "flavors" she's become addicted to the rush, rather than taste.

[–]Dank_Meems 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I always say this when I come here and get downvoted to hell but it's true. Why waste time chasing a girl who only wants your money when you could spend that time improving yourself. Sex with attractive girls is usually boring since they're used to having everything handed to them and put zero effort in, and the amount of time it takes just to fuck them is absurd, unless you're rich then you're fine.

[–]TheSameDifference 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sigh, why do people always say this. I have found having money actually fucks me over with younger women. I am a selfmade multimillionaire not a billionaire, I don't have fuck you money but certainly comfortable and I can't say it has helped me much.

Having a nice car they see provider (ever see a 30 year old driving around in a Aston Martin, Tesla, Porsche or Bentley (I bet you don't see it too often). Having a huge house in the most affluent part of town doesn't help either.

I have been thinking about getting a 'cool' car like a BMW or something not too expensive and more sporty and getting an apartment. I don't think my lexus SUV or 5500 sqft house in the most expensive area in the city causes any tingles.

Both of these things also betray my age which while I am not lieing about being early forties I don't wear a sign publicizing that and I find often it is a problem for 25 year olds. HAVING MONEY does not directly help you get laid it is supposed to confer status I don't think it does. Yes I am comfortable paying for shit when I have to or when it just makes thing run more smoothly. No big deal picking up the tab for $60 worth of drinks but I bet anyone with a job can also do that.

Don't think your lack of having money is an excuse for not getting women. I think my ambition and future prospects that younger women saw was much more effective and tingle worthy than already being successful as I am now.

[–]Dank_Meems 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, you just took that and ran with it, huh. Good for you.

[–]Fulp_Piction 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because that's the theme of the forum.

The Red Pill came about because PUA forums became too PC. It's branched out, but mostly deals with getting to the top of your local social dominance hierarchy. The guys at the top are the alpha males who get the most sex.

I think that the importance put on sex here is due to the number of new members - that's the problem they come here to solve, but most of the older members will advocate for living a fulfilling life. The sex will come.

It's also worth considering that the value/importance placed on anything is inversely proportional to the supply of it.

[–]RedPillFusion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This post belongs on askTRP.

[–]wake_of_ship 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sex also is nothing but the rubbing of membrane and emission of mucus ~ Marcus Aurelius (Meditation)

[–]Proto_Sigma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Several reasons.

  1. From an evolutionary perspective, having sex and passing on our genes is the entire point of our existance. The sex drive is wired into our brains the same way our desire for food or water or social contact is. These drives can be misused, like eating junk food or conforming to group standards that hold you back to fit in with mediocre peers, but the urge to satisfy them productively is healthy.

  2. Women are hypergamous, so to be romantically successful you have to be the best man you can possibly be. Lifting, financial success, social confidence and competence, skills, humor and IDGAF are all valuable life tools that are often forged when trying to get laid. You can accomplish many of them without th sexual angle, but why remove a powerful additional motivator?

[–]TheHustlingWizard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because most men are not happy with their day to day lives so they seek simple pleasure over fulfillment. If you're over 18 and pussy still gives you that fulfillment then I guarantee every other aspect of your life is a mess.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally I live for my goals because that's the life I'm used to live. I want to win a whole lot more than I want to get laid. I go to bed thinking about it and I wake up with it. Usually it's women who remind me to have a good fuck, unless I'm really horny and I hit up some girl I know.

Before TRP I actually believed in the goal of a relationship yada yada and sex being a part of that. Boy did that ship sail. From what I see around me, in real life, on here, other places, the news. I can't help but wonder if modern women aren't shooting themselves horribly in the foot. They aren't even trying to hide their behavior nowadays.

What will happen when every man only wants to fuck and doesn't bother with anything else. Sex turned out to be the only remnant of the relationship between men and women. And I doubt women really do prioritize this. It's just that they are arguably more stupid than beta and omega men and thus have no clue how to be succesfull in the SMP.

If sex really was that important to them then you'd see allot of happy sluts. Yet sluts are never happy. Just like friend zoned Joey isn't happy. They know. Sadly in their incompetence and blue pill attitude they have reduces themselves to just that.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It really won't get you further in life, unless you are fucking your boss...

Being an outsider to certain types of people won't work either. Especially a boss (and most don't subscribe to your postulated mentality). People are perverts, if you can't speak to it on some level, you are outside.

So, you can hang with the like minded or be looked up too. Trying to be a "whats the big deal" edgelord doesn't impress others.

Your conversations must be boring as hell.

[–]Kennen1Trick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sex is a side quest now. It's just fun to get the reactions when you go out from friends who haven't seen you since you got built, last weekend I went out with a group of friends I haven't seen in a long time and 3 couples got into arguments because the guys girls were all about me.

You'll rediscover a love for activities you enjoyed before today's society ruined them.

[–]Expectations1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lets face it, its really a form of validation.

[–]1OneRedYear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what's the difference between masturbation and sex?

So what's the difference between masturbation and sex?

So what's the difference between masturbation and sex?

lol. wut?

[–]Desadarius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most guys can't get to the level where girls chase them, that's why they feel it's necessary to chase girls.

There's a reason the alpha of the pack gets to choose any mate he wants, and the betas have to fight for a little taste of pussy.

If you aren't having sex, you are horny as fuck unless you masturbate. And if you masturbate you feel like a loser. Why? Because it is for fucking losers.

Most guys, just like women, need validation whether they like to admit it or not. The only guy who doesn't need validation from women is the one who has an actual purpose to his life. He finds his "validation" by reaching the goals he sets for himself. This is more alpha than whatever "alpha chad alpha fucks" bullshit you see on here.

Finding a purpose is more important than anything. Women flock to men of drive and passion.

If you need some quick pussy then that's what TRP is here for. If you want fulfillment then you need to get out and chase it.

Don't get me wrong, TRP is useful. But necessary? No. TRP is a toolbox for sex, plain and simple.

[–]faplordxd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop jerking off to porn and get laid by hot girls and you will see how fun it is

You sound like you're just making excuses to not put in the work

Or dont. It just makes it easier for us that like it

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