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[–]igetobsessed points points [recovered] | Copy Link

This is a great story. Young eagerness and arrogance folded him inside out. Allowed you to ju jitsu your way to alpha. A man of great taste. Monte No. 4s are my top cigar to try since No. 2s are my favorite rarity right now.

[–][deleted] points points [recovered] | Copy Link

To what end though? No f-close, no power struggle. Just random chick drama.

Socially aware? Sure. I don't see how this is redpill.

[–]igetobsessed points points [recovered] | Copy Link

I thought this was just about the other man losing alpha frame, which admittedly doesn't sound like he had for long, if at all.

I don't know enough about red pill yet. Still in my intro readings. But I thought this was about not being a try hard and understanding your strengths and weaknesses, which sounds related to the DGAF attitude that is certainly RP.

But yea. Seeing a some sort of a close would add value to this story.

I liked the mention of good cigars.

[–]pherislore points points [recovered] | Copy Link

LOL I'm pretty sure I was at the same Austrian restaurant yesterday. And also the pub you went to -- was it either Prince Alfred/Porchester Pub/Bayswater Arms?

[–]Coach-Red-Pill[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Actually I don't know the name of the pub—it's the one on Westbourne Grove and Queensway.

[–]ChelseaDagger14-3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What a surprise you don't know the name of the pub.

[–]Coach-Red-Pill[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And you are implying . . . what, exactly.

See, if you're going to question the veracity of my story—which I don't mind, and which is indeed legitimate, seeing as anyone can make up whatever they want on Reddit—then you have to question something relevant and central to the story.

But questioning the fact that I didn't pay attention to the name of the venue where it happened? That's just a passive-aggressive and ineffectual way of challenging the story.

I don't mind the passive-aggressiveness—but I do mind the ineffectualness.

And so should you. It makes you look weak.

So, champ, are you going to leave it here, or are you going to give it another go.

[–]ChelseaDagger141 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Touché, I think I've played myself. Or J'd myself if you like.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you had been lying, surely you would have Googled the name to fight the proverbial fire.

[–]Docbear6413 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I feel like men talking politics ( seriously) over drinks is the clearest indicator they are unaccustomed to social situations . I've talked about Spiritual , Metaphysical , existential things and I've talked about stupid shit but to me no subject kills female interest and honestly ruins the tone of a good time more than politics.

Granted for some men it may be the subject they enjoy the most but I have seen too many situation where much like you said one person uses political talk as a way to flex his " I'm so fucking knowledgable " muscles " and it kills the vibe of the group .

It's a bit off-subject to your point but I feel like only men with decent social skills and who are good at gauging an audience can talk politics over drinks without becoming that overbearing shrill person you described poor J as becoming . It's something I've only seen more mature men able to pull off because much like you did they make a point and move on . politics is a subject filled with land mines hanging out htere too long will bite most of us in the ass.

[–]Prophets_Prey6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed, however I'd like to add a little caveat if I may: It's not what you say, but how you say it.

[–]Docbear641 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent point like I said I've seen more mature talented conversationalists be able to broach the topic and it was very much in how they expressed their opinions . They are solid in a belief but don't try to hammer their ideas into those around them like it's a nail and that's why people still enjoy and could have a god time with them whether they shared the same opinions or not.

[–]Coach-Red-Pill[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

politics is a subject filled with land mines hanging out htere too long will bite most of us in the ass.

Absolutely agree. I love talking politics—and it took me until my early 30's to realize it's a conversation killer, like you point out.

Also, most rational guys are on the Right—whereas most young women are on the Left. (They go Right after they've had kids.) So talking politics is an automatic way to alienate women, which is foolish.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Plus most people only have a paper-thin knowledge of politics, they don't want to get into a situation where they get audibly/visually schooled amongst strangers and their peers.

Are most men Right-leaning where you live or only the scant few? Damn, it would be nice...

[–]LOST_TALE3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes politics can't be talked about. Nobody wants to be reminded of the violence of a social order, it is at best acceptable on allied side and repugnant when it's hostile.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with the point you make, the trouble is when us "socially savvy" guys want to go out and have a nice drink and your idiot mate insists on dragging politics up because he saw something on Twitter.

Some people, you just cannot help, or shut up.

[–]LOST_TALE13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You know I always wonder, what were you doing there?

[–]TheRealYekke3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have watched his vids and he's smack on target. He's 1 year ahead of me in age and light years ahead with his insights. Alpha is physical AND mental mindset- he's the mentally fit alpha. I've seen plenty of J's and they universally rule by fear, not by admiration. And even then I have seen them toppled by insurrection

Watch his vid on Emily Hart and reap the wisdom that's on display!

[–]Coach-Red-Pill[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen plenty of J's and they universally rule by fear, not by admiration.

Exactly. The more you clench your fist, the more water slips through your hand.

[–]Roaring40sUK4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a great example of why lifting only gets you so far..

I think deploying some Amused Mastery would have also worked well, in this scenario.

[–]Snowbattt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lifting itself won't get you far. It's the confidence of being in a strong body that helps.

It's like martial arts. I believe that if a child is bullied, one should make him go to a martial arts school. Not so he can beat every bully up, but simple because it gives confidence. Confidence is the best bully-repellent there is and by the same occasion, the best chick-attractor.

[–]Snowbattt2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In other words, the guy was trying to be an alpha with the girls by dominating the other males but failed to do so. You called him out on him, and you won. Good. Very good.

You know why you won? Because during the entire read, I pictured you as that laid back guy who didn't give a flying fuck about this wannabe alpha. I literally pictured you like that from the moment you wrote you just waited him out.

And that's why you won. You clearly didn't give a fuck about how alpha this guy was.

[–]Coach-Red-Pill[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Passivity is weakness. Patience is strength. Cheers, CRP

[–]Coach-Red-Pill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I pictured you as that laid back guy who didn't give a flying fuck about this wannabe alpha. I literally pictured you like that from the moment you wrote you just waited him out.

That's not quite true: I very badly wanted to own the group, especially because from the moment I walked in, I fancied one of the girls.

But I knew from the outset that if I butted heads with J. right out of the gate, I would lose. He was younger than me, bigger than me, better looking than me, more naturally charismatic than me.

His weakness was his need to dominate—that's why he lost. Notice, I didn't defeat him—I forced him to lose. He lost because he didn't have patience—whereas I did.

This is the lesson I'm trying to convey to some of the young guys here: A lot of times, you don't need to win—you need to put the other guy in a position where he will lose. You make him lose by reframing the game, putting him in a position where you're strong and he's weak—and then poking his weakness until he cracks.

In this case, J.'s weaknesses were twofold: His need to dominate, and his impatience.

Head to head, stats against stats, J. had me beat on every metric.

But I won because I was patient enough—and self-controlled enough—to not let my own desire for status put me in the position to lose. My ego (had I not controlled it) would have forced me to go up against him on terms where he was stronger. So I changed the rules: Instead of playing J.'s game of a head-to-head, who-is-more-alpha, I made it a waiting game—which is why he lost.

J. did not control his own ego. His need to dominate—and his inability to be patient and self-disciplined—made him overplay his hand.

Which is what made him lose.

By him losing, I won.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

One thing to take note of in these situations is that red pill works equally well on women as it does weak men. Reverse wannabe-Chads gender and you've passed a classic shit test from a queen bee. Remember, being a true alpha is absolute self confidence.

[–]Coach-Red-Pill[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good insight, hadn't thought of it that way.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The more you're in it the more you realize that there are only two factors A and B. All betas act the same. All alphas act the same. All interaction between the two are, you guessed it, the same. It key is understanding who you're dealing with.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem with a story like this is that while it worked well in this particular situation, among 30+ year olds, one 49 year old, and a late 20 year old blowhard, in a controlled, preplanned gathering where all of these people were to meet and converse over food and drink, it's going to sell a false story to some of the loser men around here.

Some idiot is going to read this and think that if he goes to the bar and sits in the corner, sipping his beer quietly and creepily, not trying to be a blowhard asshole like all those guys talking to girls, then people will notice how cool he is. And he'll think that when he finally interjects himself and speaks up and to say something to contract one of those cool guys he was creepily eavesdropping on, he'll win. But instead, everybody will look at him like he's an obnoxious creep who just butted into their conversation uninvited and will shame him the fuck out of the bar for being a loser.

When in doubt, it's better to be the obnoxious asshole everybody has an opinion about than to be the quiet guy nobody notices or everybody thinks is a stick in the mud. While it's definitely superior to be the smart alpha who is socially apt, reads the situation, and plays it well, too many idiots around here think that drinking quietly in the corner and creepily eyeing girls across the room is cool.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I do not like the title, it is misleading, nobody is going to promote Stever Urkel to alpha because he acts like himself. Some men are born more alpha (it is a spectrum) and some strive to become more alpha in behaviour. How does one become brave? By doing brave things. Also two questions:

  1. Who paid for dinner?

  2. Did you fuck any of the girls?

[–]ohyeawellyousuck4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well. To be fair, he didn't say be yourself. If your stuck in a super beta personality, that would be bad advice. But if you have been moving the right direction with the information found in this sub, I think it's fair advice to say just be rather than actively trying to be alpha, right?

Fair questions but TBH I don't care. Even if he made this up, he did well IMO and regardless of whether he closed, it sets a good example.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TL;DRer: like an idiot, he started arguing with

[–]Emzedef1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

thanks for this story (29 in early learning). I've had situations very similar to this and know of somebody exactly like J who is not alpha naturally but tries hard to be. Just wondering how bad are cigars for you? i always head out with my mates for a smoke but don't actually smoke myself. Sometimes i'll pinch a casual smoke here or there but i'd be keen to pick up cigars (mostly cos of the flavour). But are they just as bad for you as cigarettes?

[–]Coach-Red-Pill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everything causes cancer—once you realize that, enjoy the things you like. Cheers.

[–]plutarch08125 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You demonstrated basic social skills at a dinner party with people young enough to be your children. Mindblowing. You truly are a master of sexual strategy.

[–][deleted] points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Jesus. You managed to leap inside his head and see his thoughts.

Im Calling bullshit. You sat there sulking, and this is what you woulda done...

[–]Coach-Red-Pill[S] 70 points71 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

J.? Is that you? Fancy meeting up with you here.

[–][deleted] points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Cute AM you got there.

[–]3whatsthisgarg-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cute AM you got there.

Not. This coach red pill guy douchebag is a tool. This idiotic story of making somebody huff and puff because they weren't exactly on top of their opinions? wow

is it alpha bros I wanna know

childish in the extreme

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil5 points6 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

This soft alpha business isn't going to sell here. Sure it might work amongst your group of upper middle class yuppies however that's not really who our demo is.

If a lower to middle class Tyrone, Juan or Boris showed even a hint of weakness in a conversation he would get shat on like a central park statue.

[–]aigamithite4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

But does that matter, if you have achieved amused mastery? If I take 0 offense by someone monopolizing the conversation, and I am talking complete emotional void, isn't it like a pigeon taking a shit on central park statue? Pigeon had its day, but the statue is still gonna be there long after the pigeon dies. We talk about frame; but frame is something immovable, imperturbable. It's not a hammer. If nothing stirs within, what is the point of a show of dominance? Maybe that's an aspie's point of view, that's up to everyone else but me to judge; it just feels pointless to try and convince/argue with someone who in the large scheme of things is inconsequential in my life, and lives in his own bubble, just as I do.

This is an honest question, and I am ready to be shat on if it's considered naive.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Pkawwww then get ready to be shat on by Alpha Eagle GaylubeOil! You see the whole point of being an Alpha isn't just leading other people it's representing other people. As a shy self admitted spergle I'm sure you are fine being shat on like a statue. But it's not about you it's about the people who look up to you.

Let's say I was to go on national television and represent Red Pill nationally. It's my duty to creampie anyone who opposes Red Pill values even of I personally think they are chill guy. Because at the end of the day I'm not creampieing them for me I'm creampieing for you the people.

[–]aigamithite3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I'll leave the representing to you, so keep up the good work of triggering SJW and swelling TRP ranks.

Personally at this point, in the finite time I have on this world, I have no aspirations of representing anyone but my close friends and family. Everything else can crash and burn. Maybe I'm a spergle, maybe a bird, don't matter.

Besides, there's always Law #1 to abide by captain.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Here's the thing dude it doesn't matter what you do or don't feel like doing or what your personal convictions are. Leadership caries with it certain obligations.

Honestly when you came here and saw the world Alpha what did you think it meant? Because from the looks of it you and every other little spergster apparently thought it meant quietly sitting with your fingers in your pussy.

An Alpha is a person who sits quietly with his fingers in his pussy. Is that the definition of alpha? Alexander the great must have been amazing at being quiet and finger fucking his butthole.

If you want to be a meek man fine. I can't stop you. Just don't expect guts or glory.

[–]Scroph1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I believe what /u/aigamithite is saying is that you should choose your battles (in his case, those which involve family and friends) and to try to refrain from getting involved in meaningless fights, like a random guy trying to take the lead in a social context. In other words, you should set boundaries and ignore anybody who isn't trespassing because it isn't worth the hassle.

I'd like to point out that it's justified in OP's case because the guy attacked him, albeit in a passive-aggressive manner. It would have been better for him to try and take the lead without putting down those he intends to lead.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well if it didn't matter why did OP make a post about it? I would argue of coarse it matters to him. That's why his subconscious is fixated on the situation. It's called repression and it's exactly what happenes to conflict averse beta males.

[–]aigamithite1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I totally agree; my post was misunderstood because I probably did not convey my intent well enough. /u/Scroph is very close to what I meant. It's not about being meek or submissive, but more about ignoring pointless arguments that you have nothing to gain from, which is 99% of what occurs in day-to-day life. Besides, you can still be an alpha for a tribe of 20 people, or 200000 manchildren.

My post might have come across as preaching, which was not my intent. All I am asking in essence, is if this is a valid approach, and in line with TRP theory, since this appears to be more in line with amused mastery.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There is no such thing as pointless conflict. Because all conflict makes you better at enduring conflict. So In that sense you can gain from any conflict regardless of whether or not you win.

Furthermore if people are starting bullshit with you chances are you arnt giving off the right vibe or have a history of letting people slide up into your asshole.

[–]aigamithite0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Listen up brother. I will be fully honest with you, because you seem to believe I was/am some basement dweller that was a conflict averse incel pre-TRP. From the limited things I know about you, we have similar beginnings and shared a knack for spreading creampies to anyone that opposed us. Below is what I truly believe.

I don't care who is the president of this country. I don't care if gay trans trap attack helicopter of syrian ancestry is considered a gender. I don't care if people are starving. I don't care if people are dying. I don't care if everyone here fails, or succeeds. All this, means nothing to me.

I wasn't always like that. I used to care for all the above; now I genuinely do not. Precisely because of that, I no longer care if some hamster called A, B, C or J comes my way and tries to argue with me, because his opinions mean nothing to me. There is no need for me to waste my time and try to convince anyone of anything. Not because of weakness, but because I see 99.9% of people as hamsters that only care about avoiding pain and maximizing pleasure, without knowing why they do it. This all stems from a deeply internalized belief that I will die. Not a conscious but an unconscious one. My mental resources are finite and I refuse to allocate them to teach a pig how to sing.

Conflict in itself, is nothing but a tool to get what you want. So is deference, social strangulation, submission, flattery and underhand tactics, and I am willing to use any combination of the above to get what I want which is very simple:

  1. Keep my mind at peace and create a feedback loop that makes me feel content at all times regardless of what happens around me

  2. Gain enough money to be able travel around when I want to, and to keep myself and the people I love content

  3. Build a body I am proud of and test its limits before I grow older

  4. Surround myself with likeminded people

That's it. This is my mission statement and I am working on all 4 simultaneously. I have found that conflict very rarely works especially in this country. In the shithole I came from it worked better.

If you want now, you can call the entire EC/mod brigade to ban me forever if any of the above is against TRP policy and/or corrupt your manchildren. I will respect whatever decision you guys make; call me sperglord, autistic, virgin, creampie target, ass slider. This is my interpretation of TRP and this is how I will keep on going, regardless of what everyone else says.

Respectfully,

aigamithite

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have no problem with your philosophy. It's just that I personally am a contentious asshole who loves conflict. I enjoy conflict a lot. I don't expect you to share my love of conflict.

Your interpretation of TRP is far more common than mine. It's just that I personally wish to bring men like you closer to the dark side.

[–]aigamithite0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And I am telling you, I used to thrive in conflict. I would go as far as saying things that were against what I truly believed, just because I would get a hard on from arguing and being belligerent. When I first came in the US, most people avoided me and they called me abrasive, belligerent and antisocial, the same traits that made me appear alpha back home. I would get into arguments with landwhales about kebabs and women's rights, I would win them convincingly and they would go on to hate me for years, poisoning everyone else around me and making me a pariah.

It just dawned upon me one day a few months ago that I should try the other approach and I have been trying to integrate it in my arsenal. In general, it feels like the results are better. I just want to try the grass on the other side of the fence before I reach an equilibrium.

The dark side is great, but it must remain hidden until victory is certain. It worked very well with the_Donald, but TRP will take more time and many more small victories over time, because it challenges a far more gargantuan societal construct.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

1984 much?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Note that the ECs who are commenting here are all saying this post is NOT helpful, and not representative of alpha behaviour. Then we have young spergs jumping in and correcting us! The lunatics are trying to run the asylum. Looks like the banhammer needs to be mercilessly slammed into some more heads.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You just mentioning the ban hammer is already making me hard.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck, RIP my inbox.

half a dozen 30 days handed out. Just enough time to read the entire sidebar in ones spare time, and practice a few approaches.

[–]Kommanderdude0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Works in blue collar environment. Very true ^

[–]aigamithite1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't know if that approach always works. Lately, I completely swapped from being a J. to being completely silent and just keeping an inviting body language even if I am challenged, just stoically listening.

For some reason this seems to piss people off way more than when I was just arguing and handwaving. I get angry and argumentative, and I break frame. I stay quiet and calm (without faking it; from the bottom of my heart) and it drives other people mad. Isn't there a way to just keep everyone happy? Wouldn't the alpha way be to just establish order in an amicable and reassuring way? For example in this case, this J. guy could have some acquaintances that could be to your benefit. Now he is going to be your "enemy" forever.

TRP preaches boundaries and not shying away from a confrontation, but having lived my entire life in this way, it feels like that you gain nothing. The only purpose of doing that is to make sure that you "feel" good within, by not having your values trampled. But on the other hand why does this matter? Time's running out, we are all going to die, your beliefs are your own and no one but you can change them. Why not make everyone feel good and reap the benefits? I am not talking about being a pushover; far from it. If you think of it, why the fuck does it matter what J thinks or does? Another brick in the wall. Another person that fails to realize that everyone is exactly like him, living life in auto pilot following whatever his ego tells him. All I'm saying is, assuming all of us have some degree of amused mastery, we should be amused by these individuals, in the literal sense, not try to teach them a lesson.

I hope all this rumbling makes some sense; of course you are more experienced than me, so in all likelihood you know better.

[–]Coach-Red-Pill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't the alpha way be to just establish order in an amicable and reassuring way? For example in this case, this J. guy could have some acquaintances that could be to your benefit.

Excellent point. The problem is, I didn't do anything—it was all in J.'s head. I let him be alpha, until I got bored and went out for a smoke. He followed, with the sole intention of “winning”.

The lesson isn't to be like me—the lesson is to not be like J. Because J. had three allies—all of whom he lost because he needlessly tried to dominate.

[–]twitchnerd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They probably just thought you were a nice gay guy who knew some nice restaurants. No offense, you just don't have the manly look going on.You should definitely play your political side out because females don't understand politics and you can probably pull some 4 or 5's that way.

[–]Modredpillschool0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Platitude title breaks rules, please review the rules: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/about/rules/

[–]Coach-Red-Pill[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good to know, won't happen again. Thanks.

[–]GuruDev10001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At least I read it before it was deleted. It was an excellent report.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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