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Red Pill Theory"The Red Pilled" (self.TheRedPill)

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Hello all,

As everyone, including the Mods, keeps point out this Subreddit is growing considerably and as anyone who’s ever submitted a post which gets there knows - the views on the top-half of the message-board sometimes reach over 20k – that’s a lot of people viewing stuff.

I personally wouldn’t say I have noticed a drastic difference in terms of quality submissions or a particular down-swing in the quality of particular comments, but I have noticed a lot of circular logic and blatant unawareness concerning certain ‘The Red Pill’ core tenets – and, perhaps because of that, a fuck-ton of anger, hatred and disillusionment is becoming ubiquitous - often directed towards women, sometimes directed towards people trying to give advice about women.

For one particularly important example, AWALT – now if you’re so red-pilled and accept this, why do you still get so angry at women for cheating? You get that this SR more or less promotes polygamy to its adherents if they want to get the most out of life? Bear in mind the adage, ‘everyone we meet is our mirror’ and be careful not to be the prophet of your own self-fulfilling nightmare.

On that note I put a comment on a thread the other day pointing out that men cheat too but with the strident tone some “holier-than-thou” posters adopt you’d never believe this was possible, it’s almost enough to make a serial polygamist start to get indignant at the nature of women I'm sure.

The wise man accepts what is, it’s only a fool that stands in a stream trying to force the water to flow the other way and whining that “I don’t think it should do this and thus it’s wrong for doing so!”

A broader issue I’ve noticed is people coming here that are carrying around conclusions about women/society/dating that they formed for whatever silly reason, finding a part of TRP that just-about-kind-of agrees with it and bastardising the whole notion to fit their conclusion. “This guy is a jerk who bangs women, must be an Alpha.” / “I don’t know any history so I’ll blame women/feminism for X, Y & Z” – regarding that last one, you best hope you’re part of the Landed Gentry fella or else your conclusions about how things “were way better when” are faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar off the reality.

When I first found The Red Pill it was nearly all Monk-Mode, Advice Pieces & Field Reports – now its angry dudes shouting into the void and trying to validate their ill-informed opinions – so I guess I’m contradicting my second paragraph, but I always like to open on a positive ;-)

If you’ve found The Red Pill and stuck around, you’re probably interested in finding ways to improve your life, find like-minded individuals to share ideas with or to get better with women (as this sub is ultimately about male sexual strategy) and so you’re going to have to learn a few things:

Holding onto anger or resentment is like holding onto a hot coal.

  • Holding onto anger about how you wish society was different is redundant, either propose a constructive alternative, run for office or shut up.
  • Carrying around bitterness towards other people will close them off to you, and believe me, it shows up in your comments too. You cannot hide it, no matter how suave or clever you think you are.
  • Obsessing over or clinging onto negative feelings only hurts you, rage against the machine or the way of the world as much as you like but, as with the burning coal, it’s unnecessary to hold it and doing more and more damage the longer you do so.
  • Learn to cultivate Joy rather than brew Anger and reap the benefits.
  • Being a dominant man is not the same as being an angry, miserable one.
  • The "Introduction" in the Side-bar is something that you should read to introduce you to this SR, that's why it is so named.

As I hope is redundantly obvious I’m not referring to what some of you call the ‘Anger Phase’ – I’m referring to something more akin to the Cognitive Dissonance of the So Called “Red Piled” that want to claim all the trappings of ‘Wokeness’ but recognise none of the lessons.

Peace.

EDIT: Please bear in mind guys I'm specifically talking about people who refuse to learn the lesson of The Red Pill above and not those that are finding it "triggering" or whatever. It's those that claim they're fully dosed on The RED but are still exhibiting symptoms of The BLUE, if you catch my drift.

EDIT 2: I did not foresee the Alpha/Beta and Video Game debate developing in the comments as a result of this post, damn dudes, y'all crazy.


[–][deleted] 153 points154 points  (14 children)

What do you say on an undeniably accurate post except...

Well done dude

[–]uscglmc 17 points18 points  (10 children)

Agreeeeeed. Hate breeds hate. Anger can be completely understandable - but anger can also be extremely dangerous. As someone who has struggled with anger for a variety of reasons throughout my life, it is best to take an inventory and see what good can be provided to your life and how anger can be changed or redirected for the better.

Everyone deserves happiness, help and health. Wishing everyone a direct track to it and a great week.

[–]redleader95 8 points9 points  (9 children)

reminds me of this quote "Fear is the path to the dark side…fear leads to anger…anger leads to hate…hate leads to suffering.”

[–]Philletto 1 point2 points  (8 children)

So damn sick of that line. Its fiction, does anyone get that? Fear does not lead to anger. Hate does not lead to suffering - unless you let it. Good things can be motivated by a rational and deserved hatred.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Its fiction, does anyone get that?

Fiction doesn't even remotely imply a lack of educational and informative content. Tons of philosophers and authors throughout human history used fiction as means to convey solid advice for the trained eye. From Homer to Dostojefsky and Nietzsche.

For those untrained to interpretation, however, all they'll ever see is some random person doing shit in an imaginary scenarios for entertainment's sake. I encourage you to watch Jordan Peterson or Joseph Campbell.

[–]Philletto 0 points1 point  (6 children)

You cannot read the "fear leads to whatever" line without hearing yoda. To even take it seriously is unreasonable. For a start the whole idea is wrong. It might strike a chord in the impressionable liberal but its a dangerous idea. It says that you can marginalize anything by saying it comes from Fear and come off sounding wise and shit.

Fear is self preservation. It is healthy, we wouldn't be alive unless some humans had fear. Jordan Peterson would agree.

[–]TruthInArt 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You cannot read the "fear leads to whatever" line without hearing yoda

That's because it's straight out of star wars.

It says that you can marginalize anything by saying it comes from Fear and come off sounding wise and shit.

Explain?

Fear is self preservation. It is healthy, we wouldn't be alive unless some humans had fear.

In the case of a predator attack or if you know the possible chaotic and dangerous courses of action in a certain situation. Otherwise fear is something that limits you. If you don't accept fear and try to move past it, you can get stuck in mediocrity and stagnate. Here in TRP and according to Marcus Aurelius, stagnation is death. This sort of inaction breeds anger and resentment, thus hate. This is the dark side (a hyperbole) because you no longer are capable of acting rationally or in the realm of truth.

Jordan Peterson would agree.

Let's ask him for his opinion, yeah?

[–]Philletto 0 points1 point  (4 children)

That's because it's straight out of star wars.

Its bullshit, myths are bullshit. Just thought you should know.

In the case of a predator attack or if you know the possible chaotic and dangerous courses of action in a certain situation. Otherwise fear is something that limits you

There is Rational Fear that saves you, but you are going on about Irrational Fear whch is a Phobia. These are not the same. Fear is healthy, it motivates you to change what is wrong. You are trying to remove the motivation to improve.

It says that you can marginalize anything by saying it comes from Fear and come off sounding wise and shit. Explain?

All the liberals say its Islamaphobia, Homophobia to explain everything. Do I really need to explain this? Sounds like wisdom but its bullshit. Yoda sounds like bullshit too.

[–]TruthInArt 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Oh I see what you're saying!

So for example, say I'm fat and want to lose weight. I say that I do it because I want to look attractive. Behind that statement is the acceptance of the fear I have of not being able to get women (for the sake of this argument we'll say that I believe attractiveness is absolutely necessary to get laid) because I'm fat.

That I have this fear, is good. It drives me to lose weight. It is my true motivation. That's what you're saying right?

[–]Philletto 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yes fear of failure makes people go the extra mile to achieve. Fear of losing income is a good motivation to get secure income. The point is not to be owned by the fear which I think you are referring to.

This is hilariously parodied in Donnie Darko with the Fear/Love scale

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    [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 96 points97 points  (114 children)

    I think a lot of the anger has nothing to do with women, AWALT, etc. but the anger has to do with what has to be done in order to actually succeed sexually with women and in life in general.

    A lot of guys come on here looking for some magic quick fix to help their woes with women and then see what actually has to be done and they don't want to do it. So they passive-aggresively shame any TRP related advice while pretending to be themselves an alpha Chad at the same time.

    Example: Gaming Addiction. Some gaming addict comes here and thinks this place is the ticket for him to finally succeed with women. But he soon learns that one way to really help him out is to give up toxic habits like gaming. "Fuck that shit", he says to himself, "I am not going to give up gaming just to succeed with women. Instead I will just shit all over anyone who suggests giving up gaming and try to turn the tables in which you can still succeed at TRP while playing video games 12 hours a day"

    [–]EvigSoeger 39 points40 points  (26 children)

    I used to struggle with game compulsion, and I completely agree. For a lot of people, choosing to give up video games would easily be the best decision in their lifetime.

    However, I believe TRP needs to differentiate between the different reason why people play video games, because some are benign, some are destructive, and I'm a firm believer of some even being beneficial.

    There's nothing wrong with socializing or mild escapism through video games, but if games are your only social outlet or you prefer the gaming world to real life, you have a problem. If you use video games to procrastinate, more often than not, you should quit and work to getting your life back on track.

    Honestly, I don't see the fun in video games anymore, yet I still play them, mainly because I'm a very competitive person. When you're in a school system where the Molly-coddling-everybody-is-a-winner bullshit runs rampant, there's nothing like a few meritocratic multiplayer matches, rife with trash talk, elitism and forced cooperation to remind you what the real world is like for a man.

    [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 26 points27 points  (25 children)

    I don't think anything is wrong with video games, I own a console myself.

    It's the people whose lives revolve around it and they play too much. If you have an exciting worthwhile life, you won't have a lot of time to play video games. If you are filling your time with a lot of video game playing it means your life sucks and is unproductive. I hardly play video games at all because I have too much other productive shit going on. If I find myself playing video games, it's because I am relaxing after a lot of days of doing productive, worthwhile shit.

    Video games was just the example I used above. You can find similar hamstering examples for a lot of things. Lifting is another one. You have a lot of supposed red pillers who shit on lifting for some reason. I think its because they are lazy fucks who don't want to lift, and think that by putting down lifting, it means you can totally be successful without doing it.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    True, but the newer additions to the 'community' are expected to go through that "anger phase" I mentioned, so that's normal.

    It's the guy in his forties who's been lurking for 3 months who ends up putting a vitriolic comment or article up about "AWALT whores", "beta's" or "alpha's" when clearly living by none of his own principles or recognising that this is all just masturbation unless you change your life.

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      [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 15 points16 points  (10 children)

      I work 2 jobs and am at the gym 3 days a week lifting and 3 days a week doing conditioning. I don't have a lot of free time. I rarely play video games. It's been a few weeks since I even touched a game. If you are doing things right you shouldn't have a lot of free time to just sit around and play games.

      If you handle your shit, are productive, and get shit done, and you want to unwind and relax and play video games? Great. Nothing wrong with that. It's the people who prioritize playing games over lifting, working, making money, approaching, being productive.

      [–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      I read "gaming addicts" and I thought "that could be me, I'm out there gaming women every night..."

      [–]circlhat 12 points13 points  (27 children)

      gaming addition has nothing to do with women, as I seen them date heroin addicts, and support them to.

      I know guys who play games 12 hours a day and got 9s and 10s and they get gifted brand new consoles, want to know why ? read the bar

      It seems TRP is becomming TwoX where every vice a women doesn't like is shamed and called beta

      You like gaming, you are beta you like porn, you are beta

      Seems a lot like feminism to me

      I am not going to give up gaming just to succeed with women.

      Why should he? It's perfectly fine past time

      [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 22 points23 points  (26 children)

      Point

      Your Head

      Hey guys, I know a guy who cut off his dick and still gets women. That means every guy who cuts off his dick will drown in pussy.

      That is the argument you are making.

      Exceptions to the norms ARE NOT the norm. It's like the idiots who come on here and say they have never lifted a weight in their life and yet are drowning in the pussy of 9s and 10s every day. Congrats, if you are telling the truth, you are an outlier on the far end of the bell curve. The fact of the matter is that MOST people will not succeed with women if they do not lift.

      [–]Trumeau 6 points7 points  (4 children)

      I'll never understand how people can grind virtually but neglect grinding real life.

      I love seeing my strength stat increase. My time in the gym is validated daily lol.

      [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      The hamsters on here crack me up.

      "I already get women, so no need to lift".

      That's flawed logic, because if you are lifting for women, you are lifting for the wrong reasons.

      [–]Trumeau 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      It's better to lift for the wrong reason than to never lift at all.

      I started lifting for women. -100 lbs and turned my life around because I couldn't get so much as a smile; motivation has to come from somewhere.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      True. And discipline comes from within.

      You both have valid points. You just need to recognize that.

      [–]ionforge -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      We are all lifting for woman, most of what we do is ultimately to get our dick wet. This is the hard true people here don't want to accept. You can't denied our biology.

      [–]nikolarizanovic -3 points-2 points  (17 children)

      That's a false equivalency. Cutting off your dick is a violent act of self-mutilation while playing video games is an act of benign past-time, not logically consistent in the slightest of ways. I play Overwatch with my girlfriend (and also her friends) relatively frequently, in fact it's one of the things that got us closer together. Video games are becoming less & less male-centric as time goes on. Nobody wants to date an addict, it's not just women or specific kinds of addicts. That includes video game addicts. It has more to do with the fact that you're playing video games 16 hours a day & not with the actual act itself.

      The fact of the matter is that MOST people will not succeed with women if they do not lift.

      That's not necessarily true (maybe in your anecdotal experience it is), confidence, charm and intelligence are just as important factors as whether or not you lift. I don't lift (although I do go on hikes often), but I've never had much difficulty with relationships. Only a couple of my friends lift, but none of us have many problems. The only one with problem in the regard is my friend who is the most socially awkward (he goes to the gym though), but he's been a relationship for a couple years now with a girl who thinks his behaviour is cute.

      [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 8 points9 points  (10 children)

      Jesus, what is with the flood of posters with no TRP posting history coming in here and spewing garbage like "Stop telling people to lift and harness in your unfruitful addictions, I don't lift at all and play video games 20 hours a day and am completely successful with women"

      [–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      In a thread that talks exactly about the stupidity of such an approach.

      [–]uscglmc 3 points4 points  (4 children)

      "I have to lift to get women." Um? Being healthy and going to the gym is awesome. But that sentence is ridiculous. It's evocative of a 15 year old's logic. Being proactive and constantly seeking is focus - not being an animal filled with hate who wants to outbench every dude out there screaming how much females are the devil.

      [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      That's not what I said at all.

      You don't have to lift to get women, but it will greatly increase your chances of being able to get women. And lifting isn't just about making yourself more attractive, its about self discipline, challenging yourself, health, testosterone production, and self improvement.

      Funny how your posting history is mainly in the incels sub. What do you know. Another blue piller trying to push anti lifting nonsense.

      [–]CQC3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Never really understood the anti-lifting rhetoric. I share his stance that gaming is fine, but I won't advocate not lifting. In fact, being a gamer who lifts is awesome, one of those contradictions that make you a bit interesting. Not only that, but I love lifting and going to the gym itself, I'm in it for life. I'm not the only one, more and more of the guys who are paid pros in competitive games have taken to lifting to improve their public image and counteract desk time I imagine. There's some seriously jacked dudes playing CSGO, it's fucking hilarious.

      If you're involved in the gaming scene, you have every reason to lift AND MORE. Most of the guys around you are scrawny betas, you'll be that much more attractive. It feels fucking great.

      That being said, you DON'T have to lift to get women, but lifting will GREATLY improve your odds. Unless you have some awesome shit going for you that you can get away with being scrawny, lifting is the single best thing a man can do to improve himself. Better posture, better health, feel better physically thus emotionally, the list goes on.

      [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Coming to a Red Pill sub and preaching about how lifting isn't important would be like going to The_Donald and trying to make a case for open borders and no wall.

      [–]uscglmc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Funny how I'm also a military veteran too, so I'd never be "anti-lifting", which is just a laughable phrase in and of itself. I just think that one track minded ways to attain females is a lot like Xbox "achievement unlocked" it's a game and not reality. Working on all aspects of who you are from within to without will get you what you need. Period. Whatever the strengths and weaknesses are, which honestly imo on a lot of these communities is emotional.

      [–]circlhat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      No one is saying don't lift, they are saying lifting doesn't require getting women.

      I don't lift at all and play video games 20 hours a day and am completely successful with women"

      Because getting women ain't shit, it's easy, saying if you do x you get y, is simply blue pill.

      learn game if you want women, work out if you want health

      [–]nikolarizanovic -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

      Jesus, what is with the flood of posters with no TRP posting history coming in here and spewing garbage like "Stop telling people to lift and harness in your unfruitful addictions, I don't lift at all and play video games 20 hours a day and am completely successful with women"

      You're just making shit up because I didn't say that nor did anyone say that. You're just demonizing somebody's hobby because you or somebody you know had a problem with it. The things you hate in other people are usually a mirror to yourself, so chew on that. I have today off so don't expect me to waste any of it arguing with your lack of logic and your anecdotal evidence. You can't eqate all levels of gaming to addiction, by that logic I guess I'm an addict if I have beer with dinner occasionally or smoke a joint every now & then.

      [–]circlhat -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

      You claimed a lot of guys come here

      A lot of guys come on here looking for some magic quick fix to help their woes with women and then see what actually has to be done and they don't want to do it.

      This is simply untrue , but feel free to prove me wrong, a lot would be around 10,000-50000 post all saying they want a magic quick fix

      I have seen 0, but by all means please show me 50,000 post less than a quarter of our members

      It's like we have this insane thing were a few beta's get to decide the rules for other men. There was one guy who posted that he had a weight problem, learn game and got girls, TRP down voted him and told him to lift before he waste time with girls.

      [–]nikolarizanovic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You replied to the wrong person. I literally didn't say what you quoted me as saying, but I did read it somewhere in this thread.

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        [–]nikolarizanovic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You're definitely right that would be a problem, there have literally been people who've died from video game addiction. It's just indirect self-mutilation if you lack self-control. The kinds of people who get addicted to video games are the same kinds of people who could potentially get addicted to things like masturbation.

        [–]circlhat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        But that doesn't help or hurt their chances with women, as women tend to date a wide range of guys, why are we developing stereotypes that are simply untrue.

        Having any addiction is bad, for example a weight lifting addiction is just as bad, anything can be over done

        [–]nikolarizanovic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That's my point. It's addiction that is most unattractive to most women, not the act itself usually (there are exceptions obviously, some acts are just inherently unattractive). From the opposite perspective, I would probably find a girl who got drunk everyday about as attractive as a girl finds a guy who plays LoL 12 hours a day.

        [–]livinlavidal0ca 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Post a pic then. I see so many people in here with stories that don't match their looks and it's very hard for me to believe

        [–]circlhat -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

        Bad analogy, No one is advocating being a heroin addict, it just means it has nothing to do with the attraction of women, it's not a exception or the norm , its irrelevant

        Congrats, if you are telling the truth, you are an outlier on the far end of the bell curve.

        NO not really, otherwise Beta's would be king, in fact most women marry beta's who make more than them. If we went with the norm we would be promoting beta as being beta is the norm.

        Being Alpha is the outlier and that doesn't matter if you are artist , if your guitar happens to be red, if you are addicted to drugs,video games, ect... all not relevant in the pursuit of women

        Self improvement is fine, but it should be for yourself alone.

        The fact of the matter is that MOST people will not succeed with women if they do not lift.

        Except every single guy I know except 1 other and myself. Lifting is rare, some play sports, some work physically demanding jobs , some have good genetics, some are skinny and out of shape and do just fine with women.

        Please show me a study or some scientific evidence of women choosing weight lifters in huge number

        [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        That's a lot of hamstering to say "I am a lazy fuck who doesn't lift"

        [–]circlhat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Straw man, I do lift, but I kept that to myself because I lift for myself, not to brag

        [–]AxionGaming 5 points6 points  (26 children)

        Gaming addict here. It's not that I don't want to give up gaming, but that I don't have the self motivation to do so. Even when I want to change my life, the lack of motivation holds me back. The drive just isn't there to act on these thoughts for some reason...

        [–]ldosinrbfj 9 points10 points  (6 children)

        Everything starts by conditioning yourself with new habits my friend. Cold turkey doesn't work long term. Find a productive hobby, sport you enjoy, a particular area of literature and spend time on that instead of gaming.

        I was a kid that was inside my whole life till I was 18, I lifted but other than that I sat inside on my xbox or mindlessly watching youtube videos, tv shows and movies. I will tell you bluntly you say "even when I want to" you simply don't want it enough, you like being safe, you like not putting yourself out there and taking risks. Once you begin creating new positive habits your discipline will come. I strongly believe discipline and motivation stem from having good habits in your life (work, social, and mental side of things). The only way you can get there is by taking action. So what I would say to you is just start, momentum works both ways, both positively and negatively you can either make a bit of effort each day to carve out the man you want to be or do nothing and go through life passively like many of the sheep in society. Its in your hands and yours alone

        [–]AxionGaming 4 points5 points  (3 children)

        Thank you for the helpful comment! It makes sense that having good habits in life leads to motivation and discipline. I have never thought about the momentum analogy, but it seems true to me. You are right that I like to play things safe (which gets me nowhere). I will take these words you have said and try to implement it into my own life one step at a time.

        [–]ldosinrbfj 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        It is just literally the same situation I was in, I am not where I want to be yet but taking action is the most important step. Wish you all the best with it brother!

        [–]AxionGaming 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Thank you, and all the best with you as well!

        [–]RiseAtlas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        One trick to get you started: Plan your entire week and each day. Written down either with a pen or in a pc document and follow it. This is how you get shit done.

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          [–]ldosinrbfj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Cold turkey usually comes with side effects and I more so meant replace it with something else rather than spending all day thinking about quitting

          [–]Red-Curious 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Jesus was a pretty smart guy. Christian or not, this is good advice all around.

          In Matthew 12 he says that when a harmful spirit comes out of a person it goes away for a while, wanders the desert, then realizes how much better things were when it was in the person, so it returns. When it finds the house empty, it re-inhabits it, bringing 7 others with it, each more worse than the original.

          I'm not saying video games are demonic or anything of the sort. I play video games sporadically when I have excess in my life. Nevertheless ...

          Lessons to learn:

          • You probably internalize your addiction as your problem. What if you took the mentality that something external is trying to coerce you to play video games? For many men, this creates a much clearer sense of urgency. Instead of a will-power struggle as someone like /u/mallardcove accuses, it becomes a battle against a force in the world trying to destroy you. It's a man test. Are you going to fight against it or succumb?

            • If it helps, I'm sure we've all seen TV shows or movies that reference this concept: the villain uses some kind of technology or power to placate the world to his advantage. I'm sure there are more recent examples everywhere, but growing up I loved the movie Batman Forever (1995), which explains this perfectly: the Riddler builds a machine to sap everyone's energy while they watch TV to use it for his own nefarious purposes. You're Bruce Wayne. Are you going to suit up and fight him or are you going to glance at the tele and feed into his scheme?
            • Externalizing the problem awakens a competitive drive; keeping the problem internalized forces you to beat yourself up which can be good if you have the right mentality, but can be very harmful if you have a lot of guilt, shame and self-loathing in your life, which will also greatly reduce your chances of developing your motivation.
          • Most people can't beat addictions because they keep the house empty. They succeed for a while, but they've left a hole open in their lives and never filled it with something new. As a result, temptation toward the addiction will keep coming back and back and back, and each time it will get harder to kick it out again because you're conditioning yourself for that exact pattern. You're blasting out your steel-frame vault and turning it into a revolving glass door.

          • Even when you do invite something new in, you don't let it make its home there. It's just a guess and you're testing the waters. You're not letting it blast down walls, remodel bathrooms, and paint the living room. You're telling it, "Come on in for now and let's see how this works," but secretly reserving the possibility that it might not last. Why? Because your addiction keeps knocking at the door saying, "Don't worry, I'll be here when you realize you don't like your new guest as much as me." If someone's hung up on their ex, it's impossible to buy all-in with a new relationship, even if the new one is way, way better than the garbage your ex threw your way. This is no different.

          • The "7 others even worse" is all the baggage you develop from failing. By having given up on your efforts to kick out your addiction and letting it back in, now you (1) have proof that you are weak-willed, (2) are ashamed of your failure, (3) feel guilty for doing something you know is wrong, (4) become insecure in the belief that other people judge you for your failure, (5) have to hide yourself to avoid that judgment, precluding the development of real relationships, (6) hate/are angry at yourself for not following through, and (7) have persuaded yourself that if you try again you're likely to fail again, so "What's the point?" ... or otherwise that if you try again, it's okay to fail because now you've learned to deal with the first 6 things I just mentioned and every time you get more and more numb to them.

          • The "new" thing has to be healthy that's going to kick out that harmful crap. If you kick out a harmful habit for another harmful one, those dudes are best bros and are going to willingly open the door for one another, so you've just done nothing for yourself. Giving up gaming to take up pot smoking or porn is a recipe for disaster and failure.

          Now, at the end of the day I don't believe it's possible to defeat addictions without Jesus (I'm currently writing a book on this). But I do believe it's possible to control addictions or redirect them. So, take that for what it's worth. Go find some other positive thing to re-focus your addiction into, like lifting, healthy dieting, productive hobbies, improving your career, etc.

          [–]ActuallyARaptor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          if you'd like, I can PM you the most motivational post I've ever read in my life. it turned my life around about 3 years ago. i think it's called the 3 you's. lemme know and I'll dig it up for you!

          [–]DeepestFire 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Former gaming addict here. What broke the mold for me was my realization that gaming played on my sense of achievement. All I could do in my real life was go to my shitty job and be miserable but if I logged on, I might clear that level and get that shiny epic, and that would be an achievement for me that day. Something that would help me feel less powerless.

          I am overcoming this learned weakness by making tiny goals up to "achieve" in this time that I would otherwise spend achieving virtual goals. Gonna play Destiny for an hour or two? Fuck it, but first, I have to do a quick sketch and 50 pushups. Take 20 minutes if Im quick. Bam, just like that, I`m actually are achieving something real. Now go play. Rinse, repeat, until you can finally step away from the keyboard at will.

          Overtime, you can see that whatever you focus on, you will begin to make real world achievements and they will matter more than anything in purple text. Good luck!

          [–]jayj59 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Motivation isn't a magic pill you take that changes your life. Take responsibility, say no, and hide the power cord in a closet for a few days a week if you have to. If you know you need to do something, just do it.

          [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 2 points3 points  (11 children)

          So in other words, you are a weak willed "man" with no self control and no self respect.

          [–]AxionGaming 4 points5 points  (10 children)

          Even if I was a "man" with no self control or self respect, how does your comment help me in any way, shape, or form?

          [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 4 points5 points  (7 children)

          Look in the mirror. This sub is about self improvement. You want to improve? Then take responsibility. You aren't going to get anything sugar coated around here.

          [–]AxionGaming 7 points8 points  (6 children)

          This sub is actually very much about self improvement. How to improve your game, how to improve your sex life, how to improve the way you carry yourself, how to improve your value. It's not that it wasn't sugar coated, it's that it was not helpful in any way.

          [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 0 points1 point  (5 children)

          I am literally telling you to take responsibility for yourself and stop being a video game addict. How is that not helpful?

          [–]ldosinrbfj 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          You are telling him something he already clearly knows and has accepted. Insulting him achieves nothing and usually comes from those not very content with there own situation. This SR won't improve with people piping up and bringing down others

          [–]AxionGaming 7 points8 points  (3 children)

          Because telling a drug addict to just stop taking drugs is about as useless you can get.

          [–]Dubalicious 8 points9 points  (2 children)

          Sell your computer and put that money, time, and effort into something productive. If you really want to change, don't give yourself a choice in the matter.

          [–]AxionGaming 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          Thanks, that was actually much more helpful. I'm taking small steps right now. I told myself I wanted to workout, but that never happened. So I signed up for a job with a moving company lifting heavy boxes. Now I'm getting my workout and making money.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          We don't coddle here. Its up to you to help yourself,but the first step is realizing what you are.

          [–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Tough love. It's how men used to help other men grow.

          [–]WhorehouseVet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          So then it's all your fault, because you are not taking responsibility for your own life. So really, it's not TRP that's being unhelpful, it's you.

          [–]AxionGaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'm trying to learn how to help myself because I don't know how to go about it. It's not TRP that was unhelpful, but the commenter.

          [–]jamesbwbevis 0 points1 point  (17 children)

          Idk though, do you really think you should give up things you love for pussy?

          I love gaming, and if it's gaming or women the choice is as easy as fapping to to Japanese porn

          [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 1 point2 points  (16 children)

          You realize it's not an either-or dichotomy, right?

          [–]jamesbwbevis 4 points5 points  (15 children)

          It's not, but a lot of the red pill advice is.

          "Lift bro and stop gaming"

          "I don't like lifting and gaming makes me happy "

          "Do you want help or not you beta fuck "

          Etc etc.

          The red pill would be improved if it was less cult like with the DO' S AND DON'TS

          [–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 2 points3 points  (11 children)

          I think a semblance of common sense is expected. The advice doesn't apply if you're already in excellent physical condition, take care of your shit and then you want to play games. I feel confident in saying most of us here realize that.

          [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Do you think the Do's and Dont's just happened to come out of thin air? You think the men who helped pioneer TRP and bring it to what it is today just pulled up their advice and guidelines from their ass?

          No, it took years of curating and trial & error and theory testing and field reports and everything to help shape the general direction that red pilled men should take.

          I think I will trust the wisdom of Rollo, Chateau Hartiste, GLO, Archwinger, and otherexperienced Red Pillers than some random dude on TRP who claims he plays video games and doesn't lift and is still wildly successful with women.

          I think the fact of the matter is that you know being a lazy non lifter who plays no video games will hold you back, and you think that by shouting "HEY GUYS I DONT LIFT AT ALL AND PLAY GAMES ALL DAY!" over and over again that it will make it not true. You are exhibiting classic hamstering.

          [–]jamesbwbevis 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          No, I'm actually a mgtow for what it's worth.

          I just think.anyone that looks at the real world will see average men can do fine with women without some formula.

          The red pill formula can work, but if you'd rather not give up your hobbies, there are other solutions.

          The red pill way is one way, it is not the way

          [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          You do realize you are on a sub called "The Red Pill", right?

          So it only makes sense that I would be preaching Red Pilled values.

          You don't see me going into an Islam sub and preaching to them about how Islam is a bunch of bunk and how other religions make more sense.

          [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 12 points13 points  (6 children)

          This is a very solid post, and quite timely.

          We often use the analogy of "taking the pill" to describe waking up. But the problem is that reading (and even acknowedging) Red Pill material is not sufficient to wake up.

          In reality, the process of reading is far easier and faster than the process of changing your mind. The former occurs rapidly and produces a good feeling (one of learning and vindication), while the latter produces feelings of unease, discomfort, and cognitive dissonance.

          It is precisely this discomfort that one must overcome to properly "take the Red Pill".

          [–]theoracleofbromaha 3 points4 points  (2 children)

          I've been on this SR for about 5 months now. It truly baffles me how newer members LITERALLY do not follow the fucking rules and read the fucking side bar. I literally consumed that mfer and it helped the entire process not only go faster but not be a bitter process. If you read the recommended posts and books nothing bewilders you on any of the threads. I can safely say that I only read many of the older posts because they are higher quality and in-line with the side bar material. The new posts fucking suck. It's always some shitty field report about basic AWALT shit. How does someone become a mod?

          [–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I dont want to come across as shitting on the work that went into the sidebar, but I think some of the content in it tends to make anger phase longer for new members by stoking some of that resentment towards feminism. A little bit of reorganization of the sidebar might not be the worst thing in the world IMO

          [–]theoracleofbromaha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This is valid I can see that. I think a lot of the anger phase has to go into critical thinking as well. You can't take things at face value. Maybe the community should HIGHLY encourage new members to go and actually test the fucking material.

          [–]WhorehouseVet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          There was a post a few days ago about "cognitive dissonance", which I think is quite apt at describing white there are so many posters who only understand half of TRP, and refuse to let go of their BP thinking.

          [–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It's also that reading is not sufficient to integrate the concepts. We have to live them.

          I know I have to be confident with women, but it's not until I repeatedly​ approach groups of random women that I show any semblance of confidence.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Thanks for the compliment.

          It's that very diminishing use of the term 'Red Pill' as an analogy for something much broader that was starting to trouble me, I've seen too much "We're on TRP so I'm going to Proffer 'X' bullshit opinion and you're a Blooper if you disagree" lately.

          [–]tacko276 27 points28 points  (20 children)

          New here and I found this post to be awesome. But all in all Ive found trp to be a mixed bag. Some posts are really helpful and a lot of comments on my posts have been invaluable to me. One example of how i've repeatedly seen shit go wrong on here: one post referred to a dude who was a tattooed drug dealer with a criminal record as a alpha because he treated girls like shit. To me this sounds like a complete fucking man child with no life. Not an alpha. I'm not 100% percent sure what all an alpha is but I'm pretty sure it involves having a big boy job with big boy responsibilities and a happy positive life. People for some reason associate being an alpha with being a dick In my opinion that's simply not this case. Just making a point supporting the op and my observations

          [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

          Mate, you've nailed what I was getting at.

          "New here" indeed, you little rascal....

          [–]-VaeVictis- 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Gonna quote the Rational Male here:

          Hypergamy isn’t going to change, so if a moralist or a feminist wants to minimize or maximize hypergamy to their benefit, social and psychological schemas need to develop around what serves either the best. This is exactly why white knight beta chumps seek to define what the essence of Alpha should be in terms that best describes themselves. They seek to control hypergamy by redefining hypergamy’s ideal to fit their own description – likewise fem-centrism will seek to redefine masculinity to better fit a hypergamous ideal (Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks in the same, or in two distinct, definitions of a man).

          A man can fulfill the female dualistic sexual strategy by showing both AF and BB (in moderation) traits. Your example is just a well adjusted Alpha who instinctively or deliberately keeps that balance. But do not forget that even a drug dealer scumbag can be considered AF for the woman at the right time in the right place, in fact she could cheat her man with him and if caught just say "i don't even like him, it didn't meeeean anything"

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Being two ends of a spectrum one cannot be more beta when being fully alpha. The rewards of each are distinct and sacrificed when one is trying to be the other.

          The rewards of alpha are control/dominance, sexual love/access, preference, get to be awesome (earned).

          The rewards of beta are mother love, continued relationships (for the length of rearing), access to better pussy than could have been attained without money/commitment (all other variables held constant), get to be lazy .

          Did I miss anything?

          [–]WhorehouseVet 12 points13 points  (12 children)

          Yup, you're a newbie for sure. Alpha in TRP context is just when a woman determines his genes are superior for short term flings and breedings. As contrasts to Beta, a man whose resources will provide security for a woman and her offsprings.

          Your concept of Alpha/Beta is wrong, you need to drop you preconceived notions, because how you feel will have no bearings on how a woman perceives you. If you hold onto it, you're just part of the incel "I hate women because even though I make shit tonnes of money and have a good job, no woman wants to fuck me" crowd.

          [–]kuso1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          That doesn't make sense

          If it is a neutral meaning which means both Alpha and Beta's sexual strategy are different but equally valid, there wouldn't be a saying called "Alpha fucks, Beta bux". It is the degratory and mockery element of the sentence that put Alpha and Betas into a strictly define hierarchy and urge people to adapt Alpha strategy. And besides, we wouldn't use words with numerical meaning that implies tribal order to define these two strategies. We would just name them LTS (long term strategy) and STS (short term strategy).

          [–]EGOtyst 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Most of the boys here that think that way need to watch some Andy Griffith or John Wayne movies.

          [–]JComposer84 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          well you can't go wrong with The Duke

          [–]EGOtyst 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Like, most guys here have shitty media role models and shitty life role models.

          They have no real concept of what real men should behave like.

          Watch The Quiet Man. Watch Rooster Cogburn. Watch Cool Hand Luke to understand frame.

          [–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The side bar should be the guide to your perspective on quality posts. If it is not congruent with side bar material, it is a bad post. If it is congruent, consider its implications.

          [–]resolutions316 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          A red pill man is a happy man.

          That message is critically misunderstood by most. The anger phase is strong - it was with me, anyway - but the goal should be to become accepting of women, of life, and of our place in it.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          I like that little aphorism.

          It is legitimate Blue Pill conditioning that leads people to think that the world isn't their oyster, but rather it's their crib.

          [–]dontbedenied 9 points10 points  (19 children)

          What practical advice do you (or anyone here) have for giving up anger and cultivating joy? I'm reading TRP stuff (The Rational Male now, No More Mr. Nice Guy next) every day, going to the gym, doing some self-help exercises to improve self-esteem, and trying to spend more time with friends and new people.

          Any other advice? I'm 2+ months out of a bad relationship and trying to learn and implement the advice here. I'm struggling with anger towards my Ex for reasons I know are illogical but I'll be damned if it's hard to let go. Maybe I just need to accept it takes time to fully get over it?

          Thanks in advance.

          [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (5 children)

          My best advice personally is as thus:

          • Leave the past where it is, focus only on the future. One is done with, the other is yet to be contended with.
          • Lift - build a masculine physique
          • Read classic literature (I can recommend some of my favourites if you want to DM me later)
          • Focus on yourself for a while over other people
          • Do things, don't wait to feel good because the weather changes or whatever, partake in cool, challenging, exciting activities
          • Get your 'Game' skills up, it will reap tremendous rewards in every area of your life

          Hope that helps, sorry it's brief but I don't want to type out a novel.

          [–]dontbedenied 2 points3 points  (4 children)

          What recommendations do you have of "Game" literature? I think I'm set for awhile with TRP literature, but I'm not really sure where to start with practical, field-tested Game advice. Especially since I don't want to read stuff written by guys who don't actually get laid but write stuff that just sounds good. I've hooked up with a lot of girls due to decent looks and maybe some natural Game, but I definitely want to know what works and doesn't work so I can get even better results.

          [–]3nebder 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Art of charm podcast. Start at the oldest, work forward.

          Check out the AOC toolbox. I've yet to get their reading material. I've been working forward on the audio stuff on my commutes.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You know I've never actually read a book on Game to be honest, I just sort of accrued mine (such as it is) through the internet, working in people-facing roles for the best part of a decade and from doing sociable hobbies.

          I think a guy called roosh does some books that are supposed to be good, and The Rational Male by Rollo might fare you well.

          [–]DontTreadOnSnek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Not specifically game related, but classic works of literature that had a profound impact on my outlook in life were Art of War by Sun Tzu, Meditiations by Marcus Aurelius, and The Price by Machiavelli.

          [–]EGOtyst 7 points8 points  (5 children)

          Why are you angry?

          Consider the scorpion and the frog parable. Women just are. Don't be mad about it, just realize that it is the case.

          But, like op said, also realize that it isn't just women. All people are like that!

          The way to not get angry is to go out of your way, and work really fucking hard, to make yourself better than those around you. This takes work and real introspection.

          Create a framework of values for yourself and adhere to them. Revisit the frame work every so often and ensure you still agree with them. Live up to this set of internal values. I.e. Build integrity.

          That is step one.

          There's more, but you probably didn't even read this far, lol.

          [–]dontbedenied 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          Thanks for the advice. I was just thinking about the scorpion/frog parable the other day. Especially considering the massive red flags evident at the beginning of the relationship...yeah it's normal to be upset and angry when a relationship you're heavily emotionally invested in fails, and I forgive myself for ignoring those red flags...virtually every man on Earth has been burned by a woman. But I shouldn't be surprised when I get burned by any woman, particularly one like my Ex.

          And yeah, I realize now how important my values are and how important boundaries are. I think I'm OK plating a girl whose values I don't share, but I won't again enter an LTR with a woman with values so different than mine, and I'll enforce boundaries/drop any woman who disrespects me.

          [–]EGOtyst 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          I appreciate your effort, but you're still thinking about it wrong.

          It isn't about THEM. It is about you. You have to go into every relationship, men and women, understanding that you are better than them. Why are you better? Because you have a code that you stick to. You have an integrity they don't.

          It's not about "picking the right girl". It is about becoming the right man. Everything falls into place after that.

          [–]dontbedenied 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          I appreciate the follow up. I'll be the first to admit I'm new to TRP thinking and self improvement in general, especially in the self-value/self-esteem area.

          The problem I've had in the past is that when my self esteem is at an all time high (which I often tied to having success with women, among other things), I've wound up in LTRs with the hottest girls I've ever been with but are really shitty partners for LTRs and I wind losing all that self esteem.

          Obviously the problem is I've been tying my self esteem/worth/value to women, when really I shouldn't be tying it to anything...ESPECIALLY women. I sort of "understood" this concept before, but I didn't realize that building and maintaining self esteem actually takes constant work, which is something I'm doing now.

          I do think there is something to be said for avoiding certain women (or men) particularly of the NPD/BPD variety, whom I've let into my life in the past. Not so much "picking the right girl" but not letting certain people have a place in my life.

          [–]EGOtyst 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Yeah, you kinda get it.

          The constant work is key. Also the realization that just because she's hot, so fucking what? That's good for looking at. That's it.

          [–]dontbedenied 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yeah...for me, dating a hot girl (by society's standards) was another box to check for "self esteem".

          She's a bitch with a shitty attitude? Doesn't matter, she's hot and you're a "winner" if you've got your arm around a hot girl. /s

          The relationship ate me alive but I'm realizing that the lessons I learned from that nightmare were worth the pain. I don't know if I could have learned any other way except hitting rock bottom.

          [–]Kogster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Get a hobby. Be it wood working, cars, paragliding, smithing or whatever. Get good at something you enjoy doing. The gym is great but can't have that as your only hobby unless you really love working out.

          [–]WhorehouseVet 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          Acknowledge your anger, it is completely normal because you've been sold a huge lie throughout your life. The more you try to repress it, the more angry you will get because you're trying to logic your way out of your emotions, which I find doesn't work.

          Once you've acknowledged​ it, as in "I'm still angry of my bitch ass ex, but I'll find something worthwhile to do", you will gradually move on. Everytime you feel angry, just agree with it and move on, find something to do to keep your occupied. Eventually you will forget about your ex, but it will take time.

          [–]dontbedenied 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Thanks for the feedback. I was in the "Denial" phase of TRP acceptance for longer than I wanted to admit to myself. I'm doing lots of work on my self-talk/negative thinking to deal with the feelings of anger/resentment/inferiority, along with digesting the recommended material here at a reasonable pace. It's going to take a while to get to where I want to be but there are no shortcuts.

          [–]WhorehouseVet 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          My epiphany was when I realized women are like lions. Lions have to eat, whether their meal is an old and disease stricken buffalo, or a young baby antelope. It's completely stupid to get angry at the lion for killing a baby antelope, and I liken it to getting angry at women's hypergamy tendency.

          I admit, I still get angry sometimes when I read stories of men getting divorce raped, or falsely accused of rape, but my emotions are in checked and won't affect my daily activities.

          [–]dontbedenied 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yeah. A huge hang-up for me (and really the only hangup I'm still working through) was the fact that I know she was a lot more sexually attracted to her Ex compared to me. I was so pissed off because he was an "asshole", scum, piece of shit, you name it, as far as angry Beta Bucks labeling goes.

          Before coming across TRP, I never internalized the fact that women will excuse virtually any behavior for an Alpha. Women would rather share a high value Alpha than be stuck with a Beta loser. She liked my Beta provider traits, she couldn't get her Ex to commit, she had the "epiphany"/hit The Wall and settled down with me.

          Sex was good for a while. Then the honeymoon phase ended, the sex turned to shit, as did her attitude . I was being so nice to her...doing so many things for her...always available to her...why is she acting like this? Because you can't negotiate desire. Women want to fuck men because they're alpha, not because they make her breakfast or text her Good Morning or share their Netflix account.

          It's a hard pill to swallow that your girl wants to fuck other guys more than you (and I'm sure she's done plenty of that since the breakup), but it feels a little more liberating every day. That's just the way they are. Lord knows I want to do some fucking too, and not with her.

          [–]SiulaGrande 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          mindfulness meditation. change your life

          [–]DadOnDabs 7 points8 points  (2 children)

          Fuck it. MAKE RED PILL GREAT AGAIN!! it's time to get back to the good old days of monk mode and field reports. Mods also need to get better at temporarily banning people who post questions on here. There's askTRP for a reason.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          They've put lots of announcements out lately, clearly something is in the air...

          [–]RedPillFreedom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Bans help.

          I never read the sidebar till I received my ban. 2 years ago, I started it on my plane ride to vacation. Ended up doing approaches and actually pulling results because I wasn't as bad as I thought I was. At least for me, it was one of the first calls to action. I could not ask for help so I just read and applied what I could from the book.

          [–]Darth_Antonius 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          Out of curiosity, when did you find The Red Pill?

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

          Great post.

          This is nitpicking shit, but "SR" caught me off-guard. Never seen someone refer to subreddit as SR, it's usually just "sub."

          When I first found The Red Pill it was nearly all Monk-Mode, Advice Pieces & Field Reports – now its angry dudes shouting into the void and trying to validate their ill-informed opinions – so I guess I’m contradicting my second paragraph, but I always like to open on a positive ;-)

          I remember this from a while back and I miss it.

          Anyone know how to view older posts reliabley?

          Reddit's search is in the shitter and I'm stuck going through gilded posts to get something resembling a timeframe.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I'm the only one that uses "SR" that I've ever seen to be honest, I'd tell you the reason, but you wouldn't believe me.

          I know, the Search Bar is utterly useless, I can't even find my own stuff that I've posted (only tried to see how reliable it was - it's not) and so what I do is 'bookmark' things I like in my web explorer so I can come back later - backfires when the Mods remove stuff though.

          [–]mikehillfin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Not to go off-topic but reason I support red pill app is the low quality of reddit for ever green post. Most things we talk about here don't change. What was written 3 years ago is most likely still valid today.

          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          It's certainly better than the man getting jealous and murdering his girlfriend after months of stalking, which happens with depressing regularity and is a putrid loss of life over something that doesn't even class as trivial - happened recently in UK, was a soldier that did it I think.

          That's one of the things I like most about TRP - ditch Oneitis

          [–]alphabeta49 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          I was chatting with someone just now about the old TV show Friends. When I first swallowed the pill and realized how far men have fallen, I couldn't watch that show... or any other show... or listen to music... or watch movies... or observe relationships... without getting righteously angry.

          But I've progressed and accepted.

          Just the other night I was watching reruns with my babe, laughing at the funny parts I still enjoy, mocking the terribly cheesy parts, and having a great red pill discussion with her about the disastrous relationships in the episodes (she is not aware of TRP or the manosphere, but has a pretty realistic head on her shoulders; she agreed with everything I said).

          I can enjoy life now. I went from

          The world sucks, I wwiiiiissssshhh it were different, but it's not, so I'm going to be depressed and angry now

          to

          The world works this certain unfortunate way, so how can I make it work for me so I get what I want and become happy?

          [–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Yep. Same here. There was a time early in the RP process when I hated shows like that, but now I can enjoy them again. And, yes, GF's will agree with all kinds of RP concepts if you word it the right way. Women can be surprisingly honest when alone with men who they respect.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I can't watch Friends, I just do not find those characters funny at all.

          Scrubs is the most BP sitcom, possibly of all time. Though HIMYM runs a close second.

          I really like Frasier and Seinfeld though, they're just pure comedy, no wishy-washy crap.

          Emotional maturity wins out in the end, as long as you've got the capacity for it at least - as you seem to.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I suspect it's largely a matter of audience selection.

          What's the first thing you learn when taking the red pill? GTFO the internet, get out there and live. You might check in on TRP from time to time, but you don't live here.

          I think the comments/upvotes come from guys who haven't made that jump yet and are still living out a lot of anger and suffering from behind their keyboards.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Potentially, the better content was in winter back when I first had a little nosey to see what was on offer...

          You might be onto something there actually, the more learned folks can't go out the more they sit on TRP and drown out the noise.

          [–]jamesbwbevis 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          Truly red pilled people should just go mgtow imo

          [–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          It's a good endgame, I think. After you've had your fill of women and what they have to offer.

          [–]ikhwan_arif 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          I'm quite familiar with Red Pill theories, and I don't necessarily fault men for attempting to satiate their biological needs in any method they wish to employ...

          Unless it is at the expense of other men and society.

          Isn't that the reason why we hate White Knights, Mangina Simps, and Traditionist Cucks? They are operating with a sexual strategy that, whether successful or no, they perceived as being correct. The Red Pillers though, operate with a strategy that is cynical and opportunistic in nature; manipulation is part and parcel of the game after all.

          However, there has to be pragmatic perspective on Red Pill theory, that is, it succeeds as much as it fails. The reason being twofold.

          The gatekeepers of sex are still women and so, any Red Pill strategies requires that a man supplicate to a woman's demands one way or another. The projection of Alphaness, is the evidence of this, as Alpha and Beta are literally categories in which a woman discerns a worthwhile mate.

          Secondly, as much as you hold frame, your influence on a woman and the environment depends as much about how the women perceives you as the reality of your SMV as well as your social influence. Peter Dinklage after all, can't possibly hope to score with Jennifer Lawrence no matter how adapt he is, if he is versed on Red Pill theories.

          Short men don't get to fuck hot women, unless he pays for her, which is why the Traditionalists strategy of being a beta provider, do work. Resources, even though many Red Pillers disagree, is in fact a factor in a man's SMV, as it is a legitimate way for him to gain sex.

          Coming to my point, AWALT is a good descriptive term to demonstrate the spectrum that is Hypergamy and Gynocentricity of women. Sure, there are men who misuse the statement and it should be corrected, but so is the notion propagated by Red Pillers such as "just lift bruh" or "just hold frame", statements that while generally true, has nuances that needs a deeper understanding and clarification.

          Last point, not participating in the sexual game, should be a legitimate choice for any man. Having an awareness of his own SMV, a man needs to make the best possible decision on his time and resources, which includes engaging escorts, or even go monk. These should be valid choices for a man to take. To simply goad him into spending his fortunes, in an enterprise that realistically has no commensurate reward, will send him into further despair.

          [–]SilverGryphon 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          In my opinion, some of the anger is due to the the bitterness of the red pill. Not everyone's red pill realization is easy. It takes time to learn to like the taste of the the red pill.

          When some first take it in they realize that they have wasted a lot of their time trying to be the nice guy. This is time they can't get back and anger is a common first response. Many would recover from the anger phase and move into the acceptance phase and start on self improvement, some stay there forever.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          The Red Pill is bitter, but a bitter process needn't make a bitter person.

          Ever heard of an "emotional feedback loop"? It's what it sounds like, people get stuck feeling certain emotions because their bodies default to it - anger, sadness, happiness etc - I see a lot of that kind of emotional rigidity in comments

          [–]WhorehouseVet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          TRP isn't bitter, it's medicine. The bitterness comes from seeing the huge lie that's been sold to use by our gynocentric society and its feminine primacy.

          [–]NoSirAllThirteen13 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          You do realize this red pill you speak of is just as bad or even worse so then the gynocentric society you speak off.

          This medicine you speak of s just being a hopeless, sexist, neckbeard who only view women as objects of desire.

          Not defending extremist feminists, but Dear God you red pillers need to get a fucking grip on reality.

          [–]Datebayoo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Good post man. Agreed 100%. Alot of useless posts of angry blue pilled. It's sad because TRP was full of quality stuff a few years ago, now it's alot of garbage from dudes who haven't read the sidebar/fully understands TRP core philosophy.

          Being angry at women being woman is like being angry that water being wet...

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It is completely unjustified, backwards and harmful.

          Why drag that toxicity out into the world?

          [–]theoneandonly1321 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          Count me as one of those. Started lifting and read all the material, but I've found initiating a full metamorphosis of one's attitude and personality is so much more difficult than getting jacked. Which only made the anger phase so much more poignant; ("Bitches just hit the gym once a week, throw on makeup and yoga pants and wait for chad. I've gotta lift daily, improve my hobbies, AND reprogram all my beta conditioning? Fuck the world") So I'd read more hoping that the material would magically make the changes and not require grueling effort, which only pissed me off further and I would come on here spouting off about feminism causing all my problems like a feminist blaming everything on the patriarchy.

          [–]WhorehouseVet 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          You've been sold the great "equality" lie, where women and men are born equal.

          Fuck no, men will always have a harder life than women, ALWAYS. The burden of performance will always be on us.

          [–]theoneandonly1321 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I know. That's what kept me locked in the anger phase

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          And that's the irony isn't it?

          Men come on here and complain about a slanted system and advocate for keeping that very same system and just slanting it in their favour! Who's got the greater right and who the fuck wants to waste years talking about it?

          Sounds like you've recovered nicely, well done that man.

          [–]trptaw7882 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          This whole thing seems to be cyclical. My account history may not reflect it, but I'm a 5 year redditor who has been reading TRP off and on for about 2 (new throwaway account for red pill because I forgot the username of the last one)...and I'm pretty sure that off and on stems from this.

          I'll show up thinking "Wonder what TRP is up to these days" and see a bunch of posts about self improvement, being a better you, building confidence, some stories I can relate to, etc..and I'll think "I can dig this." and stick around for awhile.

          Then it inevitably devolves into a bunch of whiney woman bashing and internet dick measuring contests of dudes in here trying to out alpha each other like their status on an anonymous internet forum matters. At this point my thoughts turn to "Well, that's about enough of that...I'm out"

          I think personally I'm just going to start logging in once a month and sorting by top posts for the month and reading through the first page or two. Seems like a good way to get the good and sort out the bad.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I defer to your years of experience.

          What I allude to above though seems, in all fairness, to be a microcosm of what you describe but over a shorter length of time.

          [–]trptaw7882 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Seems like the other half of the cycle is a bunch of "Quit crying you big babies" posts like this one, followed by a bit of people talking about how TRP should be, then back to the self improvement go lift posts.

          It'll come back 'round eventually.

          [–]tacko276 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Well fuck it then Carry on !

          [–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Obsessing over or clinging onto negative feelings only hurts you, rage against the machine or the way of the world as much as you like but, as with the burning coal, it’s unnecessary to hold it and doing more and more damage the longer you do so.

          Learn to cultivate Joy rather than brew Anger and reap the benefits.

          Being a dominant man is not the same as being an angry, miserable one.

          Something that really stuck with me about being positive in life. Jump to the part about Badger Bob Johnson in this article and read what Trottier says about the man. People fucking love the kind of person who can bring a genuine positive attitude about life every day. And it costs you absolutely nothing.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Thanks for the link.

          As common-sense as that approach might be, you will still get idiots advising that you're wrong.

          [–]circlhat 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          People get angry because they are human, how you manage that anger is what is important.

          For example if a women cheats, leave her, and never trust her again, on a side note it's not bitter to look at women side ways , it's called learning from the past.

          And Joy comes from being yourself and expression all your emotions, this is why women can be mad one minute and happy the next, they can let it out.

          Guys are told to bottle emotions, this is really a form of manipulation and control for the female imperative by allowing them to dictate acceptable emotions.

          I know guys who treat females like shit, and angry and yelling all the time and still get pussy, in fact it's the guys who don't get angry and become push overs who seem to be having trouble with women

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          I'm not talking about general anger here, I'm talking about a kind of lasting bitterness that a lot of men on here seem to harbour whilst using TRP to let it all out - even though this really isn't the place for that and their claims to be "red pilled" are bogus.

          I would personally say Joy comes from accepting that you can't control everything and that you must take full responsibility for yourself, and through knowing those two core tenets you find freedom, which is joyous.

          Maybe those guys you know are Alpha's or maybe those women just have low self-esteem or are post-wall, there's usually more than one explanation for things.

          [–]circlhat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          those women just have low self-esteem

          Why do we always say this

          Women dates loser with no job? Low self esteem Women dates abuser ? Low self esteem Women dates cheater? Low Self esteem

          Women dates billionare? Good self esteem

          TRP clearly states this is because women place high value on Alpha males, and cheating,abusing,drug habits come secondary to attraction.

          I'm talking about a kind of lasting bitterness that a lot of men on here seem to harbour

          I don't see any lasting bitterness in the top 10 post right now and none for this entire month , however I have seen the kind of post you are talking about, 1,2 every few months that get down voted.

          Why focus on such a tiny unsupported minority

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'm not willing to deal in absolutes, not every relationship is black and white or Alpha and AWALT whore or Beta and AWALT whore - Self-Esteem is a thing and it's not gender-locked, members of either sex can make bad decisions and do so for many different reasons.

          It's not just posts I'm referring to but comments as well and I come on here pretty often these days so I see a lot of them.

          Not everyone needs this advice but, there again, I never claimed they did.

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          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Did you find part of this post contradictory to what you've typed here? I can't see where I've advocated against what you are saying.

          [–]tacko276 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Ya I was replying to multiple posts at one and just mistakenly posted this here I will attempt to delete Sorry Solid post I age

          [–]Smokerbank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          We get angry because we are hurt, the fact that we understand why it happens helps us to recover and become better, but we still are hurt, emotions are what they are.

          [–]tacko276 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Look I'm not claiming to be chad or have it all figured out and I agree with some of what you're saying about perspective/context. But you can't tell me money any power don't increase SMV. The athletic, good looking guy with money and power is more alpha then a a guy who's just good looking. Because money and power increase his SMV great example would be JFK

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You've done it again kiddo!

          [–]Fencer300 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          Love the post and agree with all of it. I have a question though. The person who stands against the stream, he's a fool undeniably, but isn't he also courageous, even if stupidly do, for standing against an unstoppable stream?

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          To be classed as courageous I think there's got to be something to gain from the activity or something to lose.

          The point of that analogy was that a man, like some posters on here, is wasting his time and causing himself detriment by trying to stop something that is unstoppable because of his own subjective reasoning rather than acknowledging that he's better off finding a way to deal with how things are, rather than trying to change how they are.

          [–]Fencer300 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Oh I definitely understand the analogy and it's a good one at that. But for the man, doesn't he stand to both lose and gain something? If he loses (which he will), he loses well if not all then at least a part of what he sees as his reality. If he wins, he gets to align his reality with *true reality. What do you think?

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I think that to get your point across would require the use of a different analogy, I get what your saying completely, but the fact that the stream represents unstoppable nature and the way in which the man is trying to accomplish his goal (by impotently thrashing around within the stream rather than trying to redirect it using his intellect and resourcefulness, like with a damn etc) is akin to foolishness and folly rather than anything positive.

          I'm certain I'm not the one to have coined that analogy though, I must have read it somewhere.

          [–]Fencer300 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Makes sense, appreciate you entertaining the thought though

          [–]Jono_Drums94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          honestly I'm at this stage and I really need to get out of it. it's doing nothing but hurting myself and my relationships at this point.

          Adulting is hard.

          [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          The thing is OP, that you took everything that's been laid down here on TRP as the first testament (and allot of guys do this) and never looked further. You read, listened and didn't think for yourself. This is a B-type personality trait. Whenever you see guys argue and discuss on TRP, that's on a fundamental level, nothing more than a guy trusting and testing his own beliefs. He thinks for himself, his knowledge might be right or wrong. What you are advocating is blindly following the doctrine.

          I've come here for over two years now and I've never seen any changes, shifts or advancements in the knowledge and perception of the subject matter, zero. I also visit other RP themed boards and there these things are much more prevalent. I think it's a weakness that's found in many subscribers here. They adopt the TRP mindset but are still irreparably B-type to the core. And it doesn't have to be so.

          To just touch on one thing in your entire post, because you are somewhat vague about the actual points you try to bring across. You say that women are gonna women and that it's all on the guys for being sad angry average chumps. This is nothing more than your own idea of coping with the current situation. Every guy will experience large amounts of cognitive dissonance if he tries to follow your advice. Simply because getting angry in such a scenario is as much hardwired into men as it is hardwired into women to think AF/BB. We all know something is very, very wrong at this moment.

          I hope you don't truly believe that our circumstance has been the status quo for millennia and our generation simply sucks to deal with it. Don't take away from this that I am disagreeing with your post as a whole or TRP for that matter, far from it. But things are much more complex than your oversimplification of AWALT > No Stoicism > Female Nature > Anger Phase > Beta > Cucked.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          You've read me so wrong it's actually quite humorous, I disagree with a lot of things on TRP and have never in my life "blindly followed" anything, but I try and temper my "dissent", if you want to call it it, by coming out in a constructive way because honestly - this is just a Subreddit, and none of us are as powerful and influential as we think we are - and it's just more unhelpful noise if we carry on and on about stuff you don't agree with.

          As for the issues being more complex than TRP wants to lay out....shit dude, really? You think there's maybe a bit of a contradiction in a 'philosophy' or 'understanding' that tells people things are far more complicated than they've been told to believe but that if they listen to what's on here they'll just "get it" no questions asked.....Honestly never thought of that before, wink, wink

          My point was this; there are some hateful comments and hateful posts put up about women, I don't like to see it and I hate being called "blue pilled" when you say anything in response.

          The thrust of my post was to point out that if you want to be part of the Red Pill community you should accept the introduction - have you read that? It's crucial - and chill the fuck out with your hatred.

          But, as I state above, you are free to think whatever you like about my naivety, Beta-ishness or otherwise lack of ability to demonstrate clarity.

          I wrote that piece in like 14 minutes by the way because I saw a rancid post (thankfully removed) that I wanted to immediately address.

          [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Well your post was rather vague so that's what I took from it. As for these hateful posts, they are more a reaction of frustration then actual hate I think. If men really hated women we'd not even try interacting with them. But we do. Then again, I can't speak for everyone. I find women annoying at worst, I hate certain types but then again, I never socialize with these. That would be insane.

          The thrust of my post was to point out that if you want to be part of the Red Pill community you should accept the introduction - have you read that? It's crucial - and chill the fuck out with your hatred.

          Wow man I was just attacking your post. I think you need to chill a wee bit eh. What's your point about the introduction though? See this is why I'm slightly confused about your topic. First you tell me that you agree that there's more to this RP journey than we have touched upon so far. Next you state that the introduction is holy and everyone should adhere.

          But, as I state above, you are free to think whatever you like about my naivety, Beta-ishness or otherwise lack of ability to demonstrate clarity. I wrote that piece in like 14 minutes by the way because I saw a rancid post (thankfully removed) that I wanted to immediately address.

          I never attacked your persona. I only stated that generally some guys on TRP have the mentality to simply soak up and echo everything that's being said on here without any actual free thinking or involvement regarding the subject matter. So things turn into an echo chamber where nothing gets done. In the years that have passed some have tried raising these points and they were mostly put down.

          I stand for everything that RP proclaims in it's most general essence. And like I said in my initial comment, I don't necessarily disagree with you. But you are touching on the anger phase/hate towards women who cheat and you say this is bad because you shouldn't hate their nature. And it's this exact simplified statement of AWALT that I disagree with. Not because it ain't true, but because there are tons more factors involved why modern women behave they way they do and why this might be perceived as impossible by almost any man on earth.

          So relax, I commented on your posts because I thought it was worthy of a discussion. If I found your post uninteresting I wouldn't have even bothered to do that.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          "The thrust of my post was to point out that if you want to be part of the Red Pill community you should accept the introduction - have you read that? It's crucial - and chill the fuck out with your hatred."

          Jesus man, I wasn't talking about you! I was talking to the people whose comments/posts my own piece was intended for.

          I am specifically not referring to the Anger Phase, I clearly state I am not twice in the body of text - you mention it being vague, in all seriousness are you sure you read the full thing?

          I find there are legion users that subvert TRP and use it as the very thing it's falsely proclaimed to be, a megaphone of mysogyny and bitterness, and it comes from those that are apparently "Alpha" so it's all a bit incongruous and suspicious to me.