Red Pill Theory6 Common Things Women Say To Show Disinterest (self.TheRedPill)

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There are many things women will say while having a conversation to show disinterest (in the moment) to you. Most guys have a hard time reading the signs when a girl likes them or not and that fine because all of us have men have been there before we got educated on women and dating. We simple lack the awareness to pickup on the signs.

Of course body language and how a woman treats you is a big indicator but I’m not going to touch on that today. There is also what women say that raises red flags. These are called IODs (Indicators of disinterest) which should be paid attention and calibrated to.

I’m going to tell you the 6 commons things women say to show disinterest and how to get past them.

Number 1 I Don’t Kiss On The First Date. Yeah right! LOL. 9 out of 10 times this is just a test. Women will say stuff like this because of social conditioning. A lot of the women that I have had sex with have told me this. It’s called Anti Slut Defense. Of course women kiss on the first date, a lot of women have sex on the first date. I have invited women over my house as the first date and had sex with them.

If a woman does say this don’t take it too serious, it usually just means that you are moving to fast and you are making her feel like a slut or that she isn’t attracted to you enough yet.

Number 2 I’m Really Busy. This one makes me laugh also. I love when women act like they are president of the United States busy, it just cracks me up. If a woman’s favorite movie or sports star was available she wouldn’t say that, trust me.

All this means isn’t attracted to you enough yet and that you aren’t a priority yet. Sometimes they are busy don’t take it personal. Play it cool. I have had sex with women who have told me this initially.

Number 3 I Just Broke Up With My Boyfriend. This may be true but in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t mean much. I have taken home women who have told me this. She may be talking about a break up that happened months ago. As long as a woman feel attraction and a connection with you in that moment you can overcome this.

Number 4 I’m Not Looking For A Relationship. I love when a woman says this to me. I always say, “Calm down you are moving to fast for me, you have to wine and dine me first. Not sure what type of guy you think I am LOL.” Works 9 out of 10 times.

Women are much more about relationships then men are. If a woman is single she is almost always open to some type of relationship, especially if she is attractive its too attached to their ego.

Also it’s in a woman’s DNA to want to be in some type of relationship as their nature is to cater to a masculine man going to back to the hunter gather days of our ancestors.

Number 5 You Will Make A Good Friend. Oh the good ol’ friend zone! Most of the time when a woman says this to a man it’s his fault as he isn’t being sexual enough and putting his true intentions out there.

It’s your job as a man to force a woman to decide if she wants to have sex with you or not by physically escalating, stating your intent, etc. I haven’t been friend zoned in 10 years as all the women I approach know that I come as a sexual intent.

Number 6. You’re A Nice Guy. You never want a woman you just met to call you nice. You want them to call you a dick or an asshole in flirty way because you teased her or busted her ball. A lot of women call me a dick and once they say that I know they are attracted.

When a woman calls you nice she is basically saying is that you are like every other guy and that is the kiss of death when it comes to attraction.

How To Overcome Those Objections

If a woman ever says those things to you this is how you should respond to them:

Cut the conversational thread aka change the subject Reframe from debating with her or having a long conversation about what she said. Don’t act all butt her. Smile, laugh and move the conversation in a different direction.

Tease Her Humor is a great tool to get past women’s facade aka her social mask. When you make fun of her, do push/pull, etc it makes her put her guard down.

It’s hard to dislike someone who makes you laugh. For this as always, I recommend taking an improv comedy class as it will make you naturally funny and not try hard funny.

Physically Escalate Touch is key! When you touch a woman you are sending her a non verbal message that you aren’t there just to have a nice conversation. It makes you man to woman not friend to friend.

Sexual escalation is key because it lets you screen out the women are who truly interested and those who aren’t which will help you get laid more and waste less time. That’s what it’s all about!

If you want to improve your conversation skills and text game I have free guides that I'm giving away. Shoot me a pm and I will send it to you

Wishing you much success with women and dating.

[–]Mr-Ed209 96 points97 points  (1 child)

I got the 'nice' speech from my oneitis (who I never even fucked) after spending 2 days with her without making a move. In hindsight it's all so obvious looking at the signs I missed. She dropped hints and me as the clueless beta was obsessed thinking 'i should take her to dinner - that will impress her right?' keep making her laugh.. you're doing good!'

I cringe remembering; walking back into her apartment after a hike and she passed her female room mate on the stairs. She was walking slightly ahead of me, but I saw enough of the interaction. Her roomie raised her eyebrows in a way which could only mean 'well then? Did you guys hook up'. She just shook her head quickly and eye rolled. Then instantly was back to behaving like the sweet innocent girl to me. It was like a brief insight into the true thoughts of a girl on a date. They put on such a front of 'pureness' which throws most men off. You've just got to be aware of what dates really are and only are - an opportunity to escalate.

[–]2niczar 160 points161 points  (6 children)

When you hear some of these things it's usually because you've fucked up.

[–]FrgElder points points [recovered]

Not necessarily. I've received numbers 4-6 all as shit-tests several times and blown past them. You have to gauge the tone/delivery of what they're saying. All of these can be either be IODs as OP said or they can simply be the woman trying to ensure plausible deniability to maintain their own image.

An example was there was this girl who was really into me and I was picking up a ton of IOIs on. The problem was we met through a mutual friend who was already a plate of mine and was getting really jealous. It was obvious the jealous plate had chewed her out about flirting with me, so the next time we were sitting next to each other she hit me with "FrgElder, I think you're a really nice guy, but so-and-so is my best friend so nothing can ever happen". She said this playfully with intense "fuck me" eyes and just waited staring at me to see what I would do/say. If I had taken her words at face-value, I would have interpreted them as disinterest. Instead I slip my hand up her thigh, grabbed her hair, and started to make out with her intensely. With the original plate in the room by the way. She wanted it badly, but she also wanted plausible deniability in case she got reemed out again. I'm sure she blamed her fucking me on the alcohol and situation again, repeating what she told me to the plate and then saying something like "it just happened".

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Five and six are betadar. If you fall for them, she'll know you are easy to own.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 5 points6 points  (0 children)

When you hear some of these things it's usually because you've fucked up.

yup. i got told "youre so sweet you'd make an awesome boyfriend" from a known CC rider on a date

stopped ordering drinks right after that one.

[–]aanarchist -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

when you hear some of these things it means either pump and dump her or leave her on the spot.

[–]Phoenixtorment 50 points51 points  (3 children)

Only 2, 5, 6 are disinterest. Rest are bitchtests.

[–]FinallyRed 26 points27 points  (2 children)


A better term than shit test. Cuts right to the heart of the matter.

[–]mindblower2theMAX 7 points8 points  (1 child)

other men still shit tests you so i think shit test is a more general term.

[–]Ittype01 65 points66 points  (6 children)

Number 6- few years a go a girl at a party proceeded to advertise to her friends that I'm a nice guy.. straight up telling them "this one is a nice guy". Not knowingly, as I can remember, I was blushing thinking that "damn she's my in with the other girls" but to my disappointment it was the complete opposite. basically she planted a flag on top of my head that says "beta! beta! beta". I chuckle when i think about it now because I'm at a different place and I know better.

[–]Darkistco points points [recovered]

it's funny how this could ruin a guys approach like you're approaching a girl, (a recent post) and someone else comes up like another guy to take the girl away, and there were good comments how to handle it.

you could slip in the "he's so nice!" the most socially accepted line but most subconsciously known by all girls nice = little bitchh

for sure a good phrase to remember haha

[–]Danzzo36 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do you have a link to the post?

[–]cashmoney_x 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I fucking loved A Link to the Past. The 3DS sequel was really good as well.

[–]OmegaMan2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

At first I took this as a compliment, but i wasn't getting laid and so for the longest time I couldn't figure out what was happening.

Wish you were around 20 years ago. Could have used this advice back then.

[–]Augustuscrassus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's interesting that you say this. I was at a bar about a month ago for a fundraiser. Basically I was at the door trying to get girls to come in and had a ton of interest from a good portion of them because I was escalating quickly with all of them; got a good portion of them to come into the bar and donate to our team.

Later I introduced myself to a guy on my teams gf and she said she heard I wasn't very nice in front of a few girls while smirking. Wondering now if that was actually a good thing.

[–]please_hava_seat 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I love "The friend zone" because I take that as a challenge and put her there before she does. When you put a girl in the friend zone, she'll try to get out of it and you'll have the upper hand. You don't want he to be in the friend zone, it just becomes easier.

[–]billmartin3491 62 points63 points  (24 children)

"I dont kiss on the first date". 2 hours later your balls deep.

[–]PathOfDesire 69 points70 points  (20 children)

My ex fucked on the first date. She also fucked the next guy on the first date too. She just forgot to break up with me first. Honestly I don't think I'm going to date another woman who is that easy.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 18 points19 points  (6 children)

If they're attracted to you, they're all that easy. Every fucking one of them. There are no good girls, no unicorns, no high quality girls, they're all sluts for the right men. Make her gina tingle and she's a slut for you easily.Stop making her gina tingle and she's a slut for the next guy who does. They're not sluts for unattractive men, if she makes you wait you're not hot enough for her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I have just started experimenting with this myself. So far, the logic just flat out works in the real world. It is funny though, you say you are divorced. As am I...why does everyone think that this way of thinking is due to some trauma of the divorce? I am not bitter about it anymore!! But it did lead me to TRP, which then allowed me to expand my horizons and use social scema to my own advantage!!! Now I am really greatfull for my divorce!!! Wild change of thought process--from wimpering asshat to fucking college sluts with no real attachment to any of them. And I am only in the beginning of this journey! If I do get into a relationship, that chick will worship me and my cock as her captain--period. I will never waste my time on another girl for nothing in return again. For now though--ONE night stands. Still learning game!

[–]r4nd01 0 points1 point  (1 child)

34 and spent this past summer divorcing... This post gives me hope. Thanks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Been there man. It is a long road, even after the divorce. People always said, now ur free to do anything!!! And at the time, it was like-fuck I liked being a dad--and even a husband in my bloopie days. But it gets better as you figure out what makes you happy again. Just do the work on urself!

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats why you can argue that there are unicorns and high quality girls to some extend, not one that will be "special" to you, not one that you'll be the only guy in the world who she would fuck, but that her standards are higher and her number may be 6 instead of 35. Is that better tho? Idk. I wouldnt LTR a girl who had over 10 sex partners. And thats hard to find these days...

[–]BestSC86 33 points34 points  (6 children)

You just hit one of the major contradictions with being fanatical about following armchair internet beast on TRP.

You must never have a relationship with any girl who fucks on the first date but if a girl isn't fucking you ASAP then it is a hard next.

Of course, it is common sense that if a girl fucks you within the first few hours of meeting you that she isn't really fucking YOU but is simply riding the most convenient dick. It is always somewhat hilarious reading some of the more bitter TRP hardcore who scream AWALT the loudest and that no girl is worth any type of relationship but then you look thru their history and you see that they are usually the most hardcore about a girl fucking on the first date or even without a date at all. Well, no shit sherlocks, you are filtering out all but the CC ridiing hoes who are riding a dick not a person.

If a girl shows up at your house, fucks in the first 2 hours of meeting you then it isn't your masterful game, it was that you were the easiest piece of dick she could attract without putting out much effort. And it is not going to lead to anything but a fuck plate for a very short time before she moves on to the next dick.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 18 points19 points  (5 children)

You still believe in unicorns. Not familiar with awalt as fact, are ya? The nicest, most wholesome, innocent appearing girls are depraved ass to mouth sluts for the right men. How do I know this? By fucking obvious sluts as well as the so called "good girls" you assume are different. They're not. The only difference is if they're attracted to you or not.

When they want you, any hole they have is on the plate. When they aren't attracted to you, no holes are available.

This is the same blue pill bullshit as the idea that fucking a virgin is going to last forever, because she's a good girl or some other nonsense. Been there done that, have the divorce decree and she has the house. I was the only cock hammering her holes for 8 years. She is still a girl, prone to being stupid(everyone makes stupid mistakes, she isn't special), emotional, shortsighted, and hypergamous.

Awalt. Accept it. There are no good girls, no higher quality, they're simply girls.

[–]BestSC86 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I have read your definition of a "good girl" in other posts....interesting enough it corresponds with what I see as a slut.

Stop hating so much.....

Don't believe in unicorns, just know that if you rule out a segment of girls with the traits which are supposed to be LTR green flags with your own set of criteria, don't cry and scream about AWALT when those that are left don't act in ways that would lead to an LTR.

It would be like saying that I demand that I will only fuck any girl who has blonde hair then go screaming that all girls are freaking blondes and why are there not any girls with black hair.

[–]smirk_addict 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I upvoted his post and yours. I think you guys both made good points.

[–]TruthInArt 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You posting this gives permission to those reading (who are in the anger phase) to be more open-minded and willing to see the points on both sides of the argument. You're the real hero, buddy.

[–]jackson_c_frank 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You make great points, but your conclusion is only half true at best. Your divorce left deep scars, and I'm sorry for that.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

LTR and Plate are two different things

[–]youkickmyd0g 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I'll never LTR a girl who lets me fuck on the first date, and the more I want her as an LTR the more I'll try to fuck her. It's kind a of dubious, but it's a good test. If she resists my fuck for a few dates while clearly wanting it she's LTR candidate. Also test to ensure they see you as AF and not BB, they'll hold out if they're not actually horny. Yet to find one, but that's the criteria.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 1 point2 points  (2 children)

you dont ltr a woman that is that easy.

[–]PathOfDesire points points [recovered]

Tell that to 19 year old me

[–]PlanB_pedofile 1 point2 points  (0 children)

eh, live and learn.

after a few women you can gauge which ones have self worth over the cock hungry hookups.

they all say "i dont sleep in first date" but you'll know better

[–]Dragon_Garoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You'll never date again. AWALT bro.

[–]adolfsbff 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I don't kiss sluts I fuck anyway.

[–]Listen_up_slapnuts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Adolfsbff, don't you dare be sour!

[–]bossplayaintraining 8 points9 points  (3 children)

What if girls tell you: - "I have a boyfriend" - "You're just a friend" - "No English" - "I don't give out my number randomly to guys on the [wherever]/guys I just met"

Well, those are the ones I've gotten so far.

I know that "creepy" means unattractive trying to act alpha.

[–]Redpillwhiterabbit 14 points15 points  (0 children)

What if girls tell you: - "I have a boyfriend"

"I have a goldfish". - no excuse is off limits. This shows you're funny and returns the ball.

  • "You're just a friend"

Don't be a friend if you want sex. "I am a friend, but I'm not your friend". Follows by a smirk and then you walk away. If she follows it was a test. If she doesn't it was a dump. Move on.

  • "No English"

😂 make the "perfect" sign with your hand and say "we won't be doing much talking so that's fine" if she can't speak English you just made a hand sign she understands and said some gibberish. (It's a lot more physical for people without a common language imo). If she can speak English, she'll react. Now you've called her bluff and you're on with humor.

  • "I don't give out my number randomly to guys on the [wherever]/guys I just met"

"Ohhhhh, I didn't realize. pause what are your cat's names?" - funny, but you just called her boring. If she's interested she'll laugh or act offended.

Well, those are the ones I've gotten so far.

Reading a lot and practicing are like the gym for your wits.

I know that "creepy" means unattractive trying to act alpha.

Or just unattractive and interested. Plenty of low confidence dudes out there creeping.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a plate that hits me up every time her BF is busy/out of town. Now, she's tired of being 'locked down' while he's out playing the field. Told me tonight she can't say hi if she sees me. But we'll bang our brains out next time he's outta town. Ya. We are all that boyfriend. The pill is hard to swallow.

[–]RetiredTimeHo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then leave and find a girl that likes you.

[–]LosBuratnos 10 points11 points  (0 children)

My fav one: I had too many drinks last night hahahaha

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you have approached and talked to enough women you will develop a 6th sense of knowing whether or not she is interested at all. Even if your SMV is high and you do everything right there will still be plenty of times where she is just not interested. You will be able to tell via her body language, tone of voice, direction of her eyes, facial expressions, etc.

[–]feoen 5 points6 points  (11 children)

Question on the "nice" comment. Idk what it is about my face or body or personality but I repeatedly get hit with a "you're so nice" literally within one minute of approaching most women. My friend didn't believe me so I bet him I could get 5 girls to say this to me across the night and sure enough it happened without fail.

I treat it as a shit test and agree and amplify. It keeps the conversation going, but it usually devolves into one of the other IODs listed above.

I wonder if my chances are just dead in the water? What can I do to stop this being their first reactions, or for me to handle it better?

[–]dingman58 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Be real with yourself. Do you have a baby face? Are you overweight? Do you supplicate? Are you a pushover? Are you aggressive? Do you display week body language?

Any flaws can be overcome. Just gotta figure out what they are.

[–]feoen 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Baby face. I look like I'm 18 but I'm 28 and have a PhD. People don't believe me. Doesn't help I'm short either. Again I try to game it away but it ends up being a "you're so nice that's so cute" kind of thing.

[–]Cozc 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Try being a total dick then. I mean like a step too far even. Genuinely question why she would ever go out of the house wearing that outfit, or what could possibly posses her to do her hair like that, ask her if her friend is single and talk about how good the friend looks

might not get you laid but the deer in headlights look is kinda funny

[–]dingman58 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have the same issue when I shave. I'm 27 but when I shave I look 15. So I don't shave often. Not saying that's your issue or solution.

Do you lift? You should be.

More to the core of the issue, is your mental prowess. A lot of times when you "try to convince people" you end up in a defensive position and that comes across as weak AF. Who cares if they don't believe you when you tell them your age or your education? If they don't trust you, fuck em, you don't need their approval. I've started to just flat out ignore the "omg you're not 27, you look so much younger". I'll look away, maybe check my watch. It's a shit test - they're checking your frame. Are you comfortable looking young despite your age? Are you going to be rattled by something as insignificant as a little poke at your appearance? See it for what it is and the shit test is disarmed.

[–]cashmoney_x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude, this ends up being a terrific asset later in life. I am consistently told I look 6-10 years younger than I am and like you, it was a hindrance for many years but now that I am 36, shit.....it's an immediate in. Compared to the rest of the guys my age I look amazing (and I'm only okay looking). Of course, the body has to play the role as well so stay in shape!

[–]Aktiv8r 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I used to hate being called nice like that. Now I see it as a blessing. As soon as it's said, I disengage from the conversation. Walk away mid sentence, without warning with her confused on what happened. If they don't pursue, they weren't interested in the first place and not worth anymore time or effort. If they do, they are either interested in you or interested in protecting their ego and that's an easy thing to determine by how upset they get about your being "sooo rude."

[–]1studentsensei 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's a double edged sword.

She thinks you're "nice" so she drops her guard. Use that opening to get in through the backdoor.

Women, and people in general, love an oxymoron.

" He seemed so nice but..."

What is your "but"?

I'm 23 but I'm short with a baby face. I literally look 12 years old. I'm nice too....

But I'm an asshole. I'm funny too. I also make lewd jokes and I speak my mind.

My LTR told me that I "seemed nice" on our first date until I emphatically disagreed with her. What it was about I don't know, but she never forgot that feeling.

It came out of nowhere. It tore down her walls and shook her to her very core because you can't defend yourself after you've lowered your guard.

The punch that hurts the most is the one that you don't see coming.

[–]Redpillwhiterabbit 2 points3 points  (0 children)


[–]metallica11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

god I hate this. have this as well, and its mostly because of the way I look.

Being labeled as "nice" after interacting with women is one thing, but being labeled as "nice" before you even open your mouth, based on how you look, is worse.

I was at a bar once, my friend started talking to this girl next to me, I'm just chilling. she mentions "your friends just looks so nice, like a good friend, girls need someone with more edge".

[–]askmrcia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The busy excuse is her saying she's not interested. I work full-time, on like five different Rec league teams and a committee member of a non-profit organization. And I was doing all of this while in grad school.

With all that said, I still have plenty of time to hang or date. I'm not as busy as it sounds so I know 90% of the time when a woman says she's busy is that she's full of it. Attending weddings, baby showers and birthday parties of people you really don't care about doesn't mean you're busy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Got this one a couple months ago....

"You're too good for me."

Certainly never had gotten that one before. I knew I had fucked up somewhere along the line for her to give me that line, so I asked her if she was DTF and she said no.

Deleted and blocked.

[–]RedPillgrim -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Deleted and blocked. get ur prostate checked because u sound butt hurt. No need to block a bitch, just shows how hurt u are

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is a horrible covert contract.

Why are you wasting time dancing around a woman who doesn't want to fuck you?

[–]1theoctopuss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A girl who wants to bang wont beat around the bush. I'm sure most of have seen the "fuck" eyes from a girl at some point and if she really wants it you'll get them at some point. Hell, I've been introduced to girls who immediately give the look.

Remember, you still have to approach them.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How To Overcome Those Objections

At most, I'll throw a ball for the end zone and quickly move along if it is incomplete. My time is too precious to waste on this stuff.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you hear any one of these things, fart in the stupid bitch's face and just walk away smirking. If she was interested she would have chowed down on your privates like a Holocaust survivor at a Szechuan buffet long before the conversation ever got to that point.

[–]Xiaoli_Vorgan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol There are a crap ton of "yets" in all of that. IMO, if a person isn't attracted to you already, waiting for a yet is a gamble unless you plan on kidnapping them to a deserted island where there are no better options than you.

[–]FlexGunship 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Regarding #1: I had a plate tell me she doesn't kiss on the first date. So I grabbed her ass. She got really upset... Or acted like it. I left thinking it was done.

Nope, she turned into a long term plate, and I recently upped her to LTR exclusive status.

If she's not a traditional Stacy and has some high quality traits other than submissions and physical appearance, you might get some genuine resistance (i.e. she's smart and responsible). Could just be her way of holding some control before surrendering it all.

She still fucks like a champ at the drop of a hat. And I don't have to take "no" as an answer anymore.

So, just... YMMV in some cases. AWALT, except when they aren't.

[–]DamnDirtyApe87 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Isn't this basic sidebar stuff you're re-posting?

[–]GuestsGetGreens 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great post. Well thought out and written.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (4 children)

What do you do if she is saying she can't go out because a family emergency is going on? In this case her grandmother is going through something. I didn't get any details but I can tell it's serious.

I have no idea what to do.

Regardless I can tell that her interest in me is pretty low. Though I'm pretty sure that if I can spend some time with her I can raise it.

[–]Redpillwhiterabbit 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'd drop it. Tbh, I've gotten some form of "family emergency" about 45% of the flakes that bothered to contact. Think about that.

That doesn't mean much without my number of approaches that flaked and contacted me. That number is about 400. Barely 10% bother to cancel.

So 180 family emergencies? Really? Followed by no contact?

Conclusion is: nothing is off limits as an excuse. Let her restart the conversation or it was already dead.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Oh I know that this emergency thing is real and it's caused her to leave work early a couple of times. Still she makes no effort to reschedule.

I'm just tired of dropping it with every girl I'm interested in because she has a convenient excuse.

[–]Redpillwhiterabbit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I know that this emergency thing is real and it's caused her to leave work early a couple of times.

The fact that you know that tells me that you've gone way too far into friend territory before ever venturing into sexual partner territory.

Still she makes no effort to reschedule.

Do you make time for things you care about?

I'm just tired of dropping it with every girl I'm interested in because she has a convenient excuse.

It's easy for people around here to shout "monk mode"... but seriously. It sets you straight with yourself more than anything.

Think about it. Just put all emotions aside and be honest with yourself. Not harsh, honest. Are you somebody that you'd be excited to keep in your own life? All BS aside, you can't negotiate attraction and if you don't find yourself attractive, you're sitting at the card table with no chips.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol. I use 'family stuff' when I want to juggle plates. :-)

[–]mushroom_overlord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(Skip the next two paragraphs if you don't want a story about old beta me where I fuck up)

Reminds me of the last time I looked for a relationship. This was before I took the Red Pill. I didn't even ask for a relationship, just said something cringey about whether she reciprocated my "feelings." I fucked up by not escalating way earlier, but I was lucky enough to avoid a certain beta behavior: when she gave me the "I'm not looking for a relationship" response, I did the logical thing and moved on because that was what I wanted at the time. I didn't orbit, I didn't communicate again. Now of fucking course she texts me weeks later, wants to talk about it, and changes her mind. I guess we were "dating" then by how we agreed on it. However, I failed to escalate again, being as fucking clueless as I was, and after a few outings where I didn't try to bring her back we dropped off. Lesson learned; she wanted me as an orbiter because I was low SMV for sure but she wasn't getting any (based on both her words and her actions, the latter of which I trust nowadays over the former). So she contacted me again seeing that I was an option.

If I had fucking read the sidebar (I was subscribed at the time but hamstering on why not to take the pill) I have no doubt I could have gotten laid on several occasions based on the way I acted like a little bitch to her signals instead of in a masculine manner. I had no need to search for a relationship but the beta that I was wanted the validation of "having a girlfriend" in addition to desiring sex so I tried to show her how much I "cared" and was a "nice guy."

TL;DR: Tried to get a girlfriend the only way I knew because BP. I didn't physically escalate. I didn't even try to lay her other than to talk about my feelings, because of what the Blue Pill told me about what women want. I was too serious as well. Had a chance regardless, but failed #1 and #4 from the OP for sure, and probably #5-6 but she didn't say so directly. Did everything exactly opposite of what OP just said to do and failed horribly. My SMV was poor, but I had the opportunity and missed it by not learning obvious game like this.

[–]2435734098 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uhm dude these aren't really "indicators of disinterest", they're simple shit tests. If a woman is really disinterested she'll simply ignore, walk away from you or look at you like you're a creep and hope you'll get the hint.

[–]TrumpSRB 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Keep this in mind: Even the fucking President of the USA has time for his wife, having fun and whatnot. No one's too busy.

[–]youkickmyd0g -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Mostly falls into the category of back peddling, she was probably initially somewhat interested but lost it. The more disqualification they can dump on the better, once you've fallen out of AF territory... those things are subtle ways to cut off your interest.

Other things include comments about things she knows about you, disagreeing with things she said when she liked you. Had a great ONS show it clearly recently, and everything I did was cool and fun. Second time she came over I could tell it was the end after a while, I just chilled and she wanted hard fucking again... first time we talked she thought it was cool that I was vegetarian and she mostly agreed, she was so interested in most of my books... second time she became very disagreeable "I never said that"... not that I was even being pedantic, it was just a big conversation we'd had... I let it go and basically had her leave at that point as it was clear. When she left she started snooping around my shit and I was like wtf are you doing, and she made a comment about how I think about the future a lot like her dad... it was interesting seeing myself go from AF to BB/outright bitch in her eyes. Indeed, she was a ghost after coming over enthusiastically... so good illustration of hot to cold level fucking up, my main bad was not treating her like a slut. (first time I sent her home to her parents house on Muni with hair full of cum and lube).

[–]SilverGryphon -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I Don’t Kiss On The First Date.

If she is really into you she would try to kiss you after a few minutes without asking. Happened to me once and I freaked out as it was unexpected. Girl was decent looking but I had zero experience and did not know how to react to the kiss-tongue attack. She probably hadn't had sex in a while for some strange reason and was super horny. I guess some guys friendzone themselves. If only I knew about TRP back then.

Edit: Just to add some context, the girl was in a club and I had just pushed my self into her group and made fun of them because they ran out of vodka, you know harmless fun. Her friends go and buy more vodka, leaving me alone with her. I just acted casual and had a nice chat. When the rest come back I start diverting my attention back to them. It is at this point that she pulled me away and started doing the kissing and dick grabbing stuff. That is when blue pilled me panicked and ran.

[–]scoretoris -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Great post OP! Would you mind sending me that guide of yours? Thanks a lot!