Blue Pill ExampleMen here jerkoff to the Alpha/Machiavellian/Uber Chad fantasy, but when they encounter these guys in real life, they whine like a bitch and rationalize why those guys aren't 'true alphas'. Time to call out this bullshit I've been seeing here. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Contributordr_warlock

There was a MGTOW-sub discussion not too long ago that involved the gym atmosphere that reflects the emerging mindset in TRP as of late...

Person 1:

"You know (this may come off rant-y), but I really blame TRP for making gyms a miserable experience for those who lift for themselves. I believe TRP is responsible for this new wave of guys hitting the gym with the sole purpose of scoring pussy[1] . Several years ago before TRP blew up, the gym used to be a place of practically meditation for me. Now there's nothing but insecure, hyper-competitive fucks who shoulder-check each other left and right and going to the gym has now become one of my least favorite parts of the day."[2]


  • [1]: My priorities on women have shifted recently, but don't kid yourselves, do you know where you're at now? Did you bother reading the sidebar?

"Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men. "

It can't be anymore clear than that. You just rationalize it to just "be a man", "muh self-improvement" and other bullshit you do to conserve your egos, to hide the fact that you crave the vagina. Self-improvement and masculinity are important tangential subjects at best. They are merely coincidental pre-requisites to increasing your chances with women, the entire purpose of this sub. Any different phase you enter into or when a value-shift for you occurs is irrelevant.

  • [2]: So 'hyper-competitive' is insecure? The masculinity you're witnessing is just intimidating you because you're not in the group. You're weak and you subconsciously know it, that is why you try to re-frame it as insecure.

Person 2:

I got down voted over at TRP big time for stating the obvious: Most guys that go to the gym a lot nowadays just aren't great people. They form these little cliches where the biggest guys (that are all likely on juice) hang with each other but you never see them talk to a guy just starting out or trying to help or seeming receptive[1].

And they pull shit like talking near equipment for long periods with their shit draped over it. If you go near it they'll say "I got one more set" and then keep gum flapping. It's disrespectful as fuck. And guys that do shit tons of 'roids and have been lifting for years and years rely upon being intimidating to smaller guys to flaunt this[2].

Then there are all the guys that literally prance around with some exaggerated big guy cool swagger[3]. It looks fucking ridiculous for a 30 y/o man to be so exaggerated in his walk and so seemingly conscious of it. It's like wearing a shirt that says "please notice I'm bad ass". Ironically, it is kind of a feminine mindset with the prancing and even special gym clothes to show off certain body parts[4].

I hardly want to talk to anyone at the gym[5]. I know a few cool guys there.


  • [1]: You do realize that's what 'alphas' do right? Or any guys at the top of a field for that matter. Not only are their less people to relate to, human males naturally form little 'tribes' and exclude others. The lessers then demand they get included or re-frame it as 'asshole' and 'jerk'.

  • [2 part 1]: When they dismiss you and say they "have one more set", it's because they haven't witnessed competence in you or you don't look like a guy that can keep up. I'll get to this more later.

  • [2 part 2]: Who gives a shit that they're using roids? What does that have to do with you? Life only cares that you get there, not which path you take. And you feel intimidated? That's because his mere presence outshines you and your subconscious notices it. Just like losers in a crab bucket.

  • [3]: Walking around with "cool swagger" bothers you? That's because you've got no gainz or stature worth pride in. Yeah, once you get to a certain level, you feels nice to show off a bit sometimes, but more importantly, you subconsciously walk with 'swag' because your competence and achievement gives your subconscious the permission it seeks to flaunt a bit. You've got nothing worth flaunting so you'd rather re-frame their actions as insecure.

  • [4]: Wearing clothes that show off physique is 'feminine'? Again, you don't have gainz.

Person 3:

"Oddly enough, the issue is the opposite at times, in my opinion: people trying to avoid eye contact and try hard not to acknowlege others around them[1]. Especially women."


  • [1]: You know why the big guys don't stare at each other or other men? Because the only reasons males of any species stare are for predation, because they want to eat you, or start shit. It's best to just mind your own business and not give off a negative impression. It's instinctive, not logical. Our society is made up of a bunch of strangers made peaceful by the threat of force by other men with guns. You feel like an outsider to most people because you are. You did not evolve to do this and can feel uncomfortable especially when you know you can't keep up. Eye contact with outsiders is thus uncomfortable, especially women.

  • Women don't make eye contact because their objective at the gym isn't to ogle, but to be ogled by other men for validation.

Person 4:

"I just see them looking at themselves in the mirror more than would be normal for a non-female."


These guys are actually constructing something and want to keep constant track of their progress. And it helps avoid the eye contact with others mentioned earlier because there's a big mirror in the room. You don't have gainz worth looking at.

Person 5

"In a real world without artificial social restraint to protect the weak, those guys would be dispatched in short order."


  • No. Any time human beings have an abundance of food, specifically agriculture, a dominance hierarchy is formed (i.e. cheifs, warriors, and hereditary leadership). It is natural. If artificial social restraint wasn't their to protect the weak, you'd be screwed. Dispose of your weak people overthrow fantasies.

Person 6

"Yep, it's all a bunch of artificial games at play. Maybe the fact that as a MGTOW I don't play along with any of them is threatening[1]. TRP follows the law "think as you like, but behave like others", I follow the law "think as I like, do as I like"."


  • [1]: Your 'MGTOWness' intimidates a group of big gym bros... You've got to be joking. That's like a woman saying "men don't want me because they can't handle this. I'm just so independent and sure of myself. They find it intimidating." Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.

Conclusion and other shit

Men in the manosphere jerkoff to Machiavellianism & being Alpha Chads. They read the 48 Laws of Power, Art of War, the Prince and some articles on the internet and now think they're the enlightened alphas behind their keyboards, but when they encounter these type of people in person, they cry like a bitch & make up reasons for why they're not 'truly alpha' because they're not inclusive. What did u expect Mr. Armchair Alpha? Competition at the top is fierce. TRP is filled w/ 'caring leader, moralistic alpha' crap. 'Alpha' has NOTHING to do with morality or making others feel comfortable.

TRP clearly acknowledges inequality and advocates it via aspiring to rise to the top, but people still manage to conjure bullshit equality fantasies instead of becoming better themselves. "You're alpha up until you don't include me, then you're an asshole". That's a textbook summary of female thinking.

Your problem is that you've been conditioned by the blue pill to channel your aggression to academics, video games, porn, and spectator sports while having women and other dudes mediate everything to make it 'fair'. When you get together with your friends, you do it virtually or vicariously through other men. Once you actually go outside your batman MGTOW cave, you see people who don't do this, they manifest this aggression/competitiveness in the real world. You're too used to the equality, every body wins a medal, safe A/C cooled academia and office environment and became wimps and office weenies incapable of surviving outside it. Who needs strength, size, and competitiveness for a school lecture or an office cubicle? LOL!

This is a classic case of men who know they can't keep up or know they're inferior reframing a situation that makes them the 'good/noble, 'true alpha' guy. A beta male rationalization. Can these guys overdo it? Sure, but that's NOT the majority of what's going on in your brain.

You wanted to be one of these guys, this is how it is. You have to prove your worth to be included, otherwise nobody gives a fuck. If you want to jump from the crab bucket mentality, you need something that the 'top guys' value.

Gym Example:

Wanna know how I defuse that 'one more set' thing those guys do? I can keep up. First off, you gotta walk up to them confidently, not like you're trying to be polite. They don't respond to that. Secondly, you have to keep your voice up. This shows you don't view yourself as beneath them. Thirdly, I ask "how high are you guys going?" It's a covert way of saying I think I can keep up. After I they say it, I ask if they would mind if I hop in between sets. Not all the time, but much of the time, specifically when one of them has witnessed me lift before, they allow it. Then while you're in, you help unrack the guy before you's weights or help rack the next guys to show net value. You're the outsider. They allowed you to join. That's the frame. Numbers and size win, get over it. This isn't them being an 'asshole'. It's the way it is. You can do this without coming off as weak. Get to the 2,3,4 plates for the big three and people start leaving you alone and allow you to join. Until then, don't expect much in terms of 'inclusiveness' or sharing.

Story 1:

I remember getting my first real job in a male-exclusive field. I came in as a comfy suburban boy who didn't even know how to cook or do laundry until I was in college. My mom did everything for me. I was coasting in comfort. Then I arrived on the job, and it was a complete shock. The frame tests and the dismissiveness were non-stop. They always twisted my words and used it against me. I felt like a 'victim'. I felt the world was acting upon me. But I soon realized after a few months, it was because I had a thin skin from too much comfort. This is how non-bitch men interact with one another when they see you wanna join their ranks or think you may have potential. Until you prove your worth, you're nothing. Until you show you can stand up for yourself, you will be a target for no other reason because they think it is funny. Once I got a few skills and was there for awhile, it started getting better.

Story 2:

Once upon a time, I was at an 'event' where I had my own space. A big co-ed group was nearby, but slowly, they began to drift my way, slowly encroaching in my space. It started pissing me off so I confronted one of the guys to delineate my territory. They, especially the girls, didn't take that well, but I didn't care. It was okay for a bit, but then he and the girls started encroaching in my space again, I thought about amping up the situation, but then the rest of the group started hoarding, composing of dudes my size and bigger. It became abundantly clear that, I, as the lone male, had no chance. If I start something, I would get my ass kicked by a bunch of big dudes.

While being over taken in a sense, you could feel the tension between them, and me the outsider. I finally came to my senses and decided to make a slight apology to guy for overreacting and things became cool. Not only did I eliminate the tension, but my original spot was left 'untouched' just for me and they never ventured into it outside of passing and they didn't impede me. I even had a better time than I was having alone. I learned that day that the 'lone sigma-alpha' fantasy is bullshit unless you're exceedingly bigger than everyone else. They weren't being 'jerks'. It wasn't even malicious. It's human male nature. I was fighting nature and realized how dumb that was.

However, there was frame testing and boundary testing. A lot of those big guys get handsy as a display of dominance, you gotta shake their hands off and banter back before they respect you. Can't be passive and you gotta taunt back. If you win anything a lot of them quit and leave you alone because they only joined to look like the winner.

</end stories>

This is what happens when men aren't given responsibility or rites of passage. They coast in their artificial comfort until they're forced to waaay too late. Reality hits them in the face and they think they're a victim. Don't expect anybody to share or include you unless you have size or value. You wanted to be an alpha chad machiavellian, WELCOME TO THE REALITY. This is how it is. This is how they treat others. The higher you go, the worse it gets. Whether or not you believe it's ideal is irrelevant. If you don't like it or can't keep up, that's fine, but stop bitching.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 72 points73 points  (14 children)

This is basically "Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder, don't nobody wanna lift to heavy ass weights."

Everyone wants to be machiavellian and Chaddish. Do you actually want to put yourself into situations that will force you to build cold logic and an ability to manipulate people? Do you want to actually go through the mental work of stomping out useless relationships and friendships in your life, and force yourself to network and cultivate relationships with people who can offer you something? Do you actually want to emotionally blunt yourself by exposing yourself to all kinds of emotional stimuli, so you can genuinely keep a cool? Deaden yourself to rejection by doing balls to the wall, closer cold approach game on super hot girls?

Are you willing to get LASIK? Get a nose job? Diet down to 10% bodyfat? Burn your wardrobe and buy some shit that telegraphs status?

What are you really willing to do?

All these guys on here cry about incel this, and unfair that. It's all excuses but it's so real to them - aka "women in my town are all crap. My town is so small and there's more men, so the women guard their n-count very closely. Blah blah blah."

Okay, move. Get a new job. You can't do it? Well, then you're beta, you're a slave, you have no freedom to choose shit. You can't fuck, you can't choose where you work, you can't go where you want to go? With that attitude, just fucking kill yourself. Alphas make it happen and sacrifice whatever needs to be sacrificed.

See everyone here talks all this mad shit about WANTING to be a Chad or wanting to be dark triad or wanting to be an alpha. Some guys talk shit about wanting to be a natural or just have a hot GF (like that would solve anything in the abortion that is their lives).

OK, well you certainly don't wanna lift the weights. Want to learn how to build rapid rapport and simultaneously have a mildly psychopathic detachment from people, and not really give a shit or feel bad about manipulating them? Does that seem cool to you? Get into sales and push it hard, you will learn a fuckton. Your cold approach game will be 10x better.

But you don't want to do that because it's hard. Because it's beta to "sell" to women, it's beta to convince them to fuck you, it's better to be a super ripped model Chad. Sure, it may be, but are you one? Fuck no, so learn game. You're not doing the work to become a mega Chad anyway.

Half the time guys on here remind me of women bitching. You know what you need to do, but instead of doing it, you'd rather have 10 other guys agree that your problem is indeed real and your excuse is shared by others. You'd rather be validated and a failure than unvalidated and on track to success. You know what you need to do, but you want me to pull a rabbit out of a hat and say "try this! You won't have to do X and Y and Z anymore, just repeat to yourself that these other guys are "fake alphas" and you are actually way more enlightened!"

It's like guys on here want to be talked OUT of doing the legwork they need to become alphas. They are fiendin' for it, especially the brown and yellow motherfuckers on here. Just itching for someone to help them rationalize their failures, just fiending for that dere RP science to convince them that indeed their race is the problem. And since there's nothing they can do about that, the fault doesn't lie with them.

Bottom line is, Everybody wants to be an alpha, but don't nobody wanna do alpha things. If people on here actually wanted to be alpha as much as they claim, then this sub would be completely dead on Fridays and Saturdays. Instead Saturday night is filled with more posts than USPS.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Okay, move. Get a new job. You can't do it? Well, then you're beta

The funny thing, this is such a low bar for entry, I'm very surprised people can't get over it.

[–]sickofallofyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

16 weeks in the gym and you'll feel like you're cumming when you lift. What's not to like about that.

[–]McCarthyIsmyHero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Calling other males beta is the most beta thing you can do. "Alpha" males are try hard faggots.

Actually, alpha and beta don't exist in humans.

So, go die in a fire you degenerate scum.

[–]Reprogramming_Life 0 points1 point  (9 children)

It's not all or nothing. It's not black or white thinking or reasoning for everyone. Not every man wants to be void of emotions. lol I think most men just want to improve themselves the best they can and learn the red flags of toxic women and situations to avoid them. The average man doesn't want to get played by the system either. MGTOW is about raising the bar for yourself to reach a place in life you can feel content with. Trying to be the absolute top Alpha is literally an impossibility as there will always be someone better at all the things you pride yourself most on. Honestly a lot of women find super muscular men very unappealing. I saw a study that said most women like a lean muscular man but not a bulky muscular man. There is a middle ground a lot of hardcore red-pillers are missing out on. If you're doing thing solely for very specific reasons or women/to get women you're never going to find happiness or fulfillment in life. You're basically a narcissist at that point. And, if meaningless pussy, money, etc...don't make you happy in the long term, what the fuck did you do it for? Exactly. :)

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 7 points8 points  (8 children)

You're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you want something - and you do, you little hamsters do want to fuck hot women, have beautiful high quality women around in your life, have social status, be physically fit, etc - you have to do what is required to get there.

I am not saying to be fucking Ronnie Coleman literally, I'm not saying to be X or be Y. I'm saying that most men, like you said THINK they want to "improve themselves and learn how to deal with women" but they don't really, they just think they want it. They don't want it bad enough to actually do the things that will get them that.

There is a middle ground, sure, but if you are a low value male shooting for the middle ground, then guess what your results will be? Shit, and what will happen is that like you are doing, you'll start to rationalize your shitty results as "Hey, it's pointless to try to be the top alpha! Pussy is meaningless anyway, money doesn't make you happy, I'm so enlightened.

You'll start ending paragraphs with "Exactly. :)"

Like think about that - what would cause a man to end a paragraph that way? See what I mean, it's all rationalizations and you get this little feeling of having reaffirmed and proved your belief systems at the end after the mental exercise is done.

Fact: Men here claim to want all kinds of things, including but not limited to being alpha, being high SMV, having hot plates, banging chicks, having a great LTR, being the boss, etc. All of these things come with legwork, and generally for a LOW or MIDDLE value male to go out and get any of those above things, he'll have to put in legwork that will seem extreme and will involve him doing things that he's uncomfortable with. That is my only point, and I don't really see how that's debatable, just read the forum here.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think he misunderstood you. He is part of a category that you did not cover. The "I don't want to be alpha if it means I have to change" crowd. I don't know if there is a name for them.

So fucking what if someone is doing it just for pussy? Is he the one guy in the history of mankind that knows what the meaning of life is?

He doesn't want it bad enough, and wants to feel validated by his own supposed enlightenment.

[–][deleted] 126 points127 points  (22 children)

I agree with this, but it's apparent who the recent redpill "im new to this gym thing" guys are.

The rest of us have been playing football, rugby, boxing, fighting in combat in afghanistan, etc.

Just from looking at how someone carries themselves you can tell. There are very few that set themselves apart without strong life experiences and those that do are truly redpill imo.

Because I have done much in physical competition with my fellow man, I feel totally confident if I go to the gym for the first time in a while (I love to run through the city/trails personally) or decide to stay in a night and play computer games.

Crucibles of fire make hard men. Hard men have confidence. Confidence allows them to fully understand and accept the redpill.

An example; I remember when I was at Ft. Benning for Small Arms Weapons expert school (which now is called something else and rolled into infantry BOLC) and an old NCO taught me a valuable lesson. Some kids in our truck thought this NCO was awesome and looked up to him because of his extensive combat experience, and asked him; "would you practice jiu jitsu with us tonight? We hear your a great fighter." His response was classic and reminds me of the zen stage of redpill. He said "what do I have to gain rolling around with a bunch of young punks? If I kick your ass it's because I'm supposed to, if I lose it's because I'm washed up. I don't even fight people unless I'm forced to anyways; you might want to punch and kick but i'm going to gouge out your eyes. I'm going to bite your nutsack off. I am an animal if I have to fight because it is to the death." Those half the people in the truck got quiet as hell and the rest of us just laughed. It was savage. This alpha dude just said he would bite a man's nutsack off and it wasn't even gay.

After that I realized true confidence is truly not giving a fuck. Giving a fuck about other people in the gym being big and strong and intimidating you? Annoying you? Then you aren't assertive enough to make your presence felt and you are a bluepill pussy still. It's ok, just go do something tough for once in your life. You can't fake confidence.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (3 children)

thats literally a classic response. Like, its been written up, in one way or another.

"hey sarge, wanna spar"

"Hi sempai wanna spar"

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

yeah I saw it multiple times as well, but that was by far the best response. The rest were preety short and usually just an amused and slightly annoyed silence. After a while I was eventually in that same place and had the same amused/annoyed silence.

[–]redaftrp 5 points6 points  (1 child)

"If I'm going to expend energy proving myself, I won't be wasting my effort." Same way the leader of a pride of lions, doesn't fuck around with the young bucks, but instead swiftly puts down any usurpation of power.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

occasionally we had guys come by to challenge my old martial arts teacher. His answer - to get his gun.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Experience -> Hardening -> Confidence. Most here don't realize the reading material is only to initially shift your paradigm so that you CAN TAKE ACTION. The ACTION is what leads to struggle, which is what leads to resolve and eventually confidence.

[–]vwzwv 0 points1 point  (3 children)


I notice when I'm struggling to take action and read someone stating to 'Take Action!' I go down a notch in the take action department. It's another reason I make it a point to sort out my beliefs while at the gym opposed to the conventional thinking reading is the base for improvement. Reading is the catalyst. Reading 'Do something', 'take action', etc is corrosive if you recently haven't recently spent time self improving.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Taking action is self improvement.

[–]vwzwv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're missing my point. Taking action is self improvement, but someone sitting on their ass reading about others telling them to take action makes the reader internalize that they are not taking action and in fact sitting on their asses reading about it. When I'm high functioning I avoid those crystalizing moments by working out before I read. That way what I read is internalized in the context of delivering instead of the context of being a distant currently unavailable theory as I accept that if I'm going to continue reading, I'm also going to continue to sitting on my ass.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

However you gotta rationalize it man. Nothing happens until you act.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

you might want to punch and kick but i'm going to gouge out your eyes.

In the real world, war is ugly and there is no referee.

[–]TankVet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Eh. I don't know. Sometimes what you see is all there is. I don't go to the gym immediately after work because I don't like the traffic on the way there and it gets crowded. If I can save myself 40 minutes three or four times a week because I'm not sitting in traffic and/or looking for benches to open up, do I give a shit if someone else thinks I'm "less alpha" for it? No, I do not.

[–]My_Red_Soul points points [recovered]

Why doesn't he teach them techniques to help them be better soldiers?

Also what are the best techniques for street fighting. It sure as he'll isn't Brazilian jiu jitsu

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was one of our instructors teaching us how to fire a myriad of machine guns, calibrate and use different optics (thermals, IR laser devices, scopes).

He was training us for around 16-20 hours a day some days.

Hand to hand combat is generally taught to teach aggressiveness and warrior ethos. In combat your not going to be using any techniques, you will be shooting / stabbing / smacking with heavy stuff

[–]kasper138 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hahaha the last street fight I got into I totally grabbed the dudes nuts and squeezed like hell. hahaha

[–]SW9876 points points [recovered]

The one part I don't get is how they can reasonably think that TRP is making a serious impact to their normal gym experience. There are 213k subs, of which only a small percentage is probably actively using TRP in their life. So how big of an impact can TRP really have in the average gym goers experience? What percentage of the people they bitch about do you think are actually TRP members?

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 19 points20 points  (4 children)

So how big of an impact can TRP really have in the average gym goers experience?

It doesn't, he's just making up excuses.

[–]Cozc 13 points14 points  (3 children)

this. there have always been and will always be douche bags at the gym. if it bothers you that much find a couple friends to go with

or you could...you know..ignore them

[–]basebool 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Exactly. There's no harm in noticing guys who just go there and spend half their time talking and taking their sweet time with machines, doesn't mean it effects me during my workouts or after leaving the gym.

Most people just really don't focus on their goals and instead turn to complaining and showing their blue pill side again.

[–]JesusTheThird3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You should not use machines unless you are injured, or doing the last 10-15 mins of your workout.

The only problem I can see at the gym is being too crowded. Dont go at 7PM on a Wednesday and you won't have this problem.

[–]basebool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish i couldn't but i cant start anytime other than 6 after my work ends

And I'm aware of that it usually is near the end when I need them and their being slowly used by someone.

[–]Tie5o11 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That was my thought as well. I've been going to the gym in some fashion for at least 15 years and can't say I've noticed much of a change. There have always been big dudes, fit dudes, skinny dudes, and even the occasional fat dude whose trying to make a change. 2017 doesn't seem much different than 2007 to me.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As I guy who occasionally has RP guys reach out to him for counseling, I can tell you for a fact that there are a lot of mental masturbators here who comment every day yet do not do shit.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gymming for women has been around as long as gyms and women have been around at the same time.

To me, that read as a subtle confession of TRP's effectiveness.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 38 points39 points  (17 children)

So much whining about feeling intimidated at the gym.

In reality, when you're just starting (either as a skinny ass or a fatass) you don't really need a gym: all you need is the floor.

And an extensive review of available data shows 99.3% of people in the USA and Europe have access to a floor.

[–]stonepimpletilists points points [recovered]

Can't remember if it was Riptoe or Shugart who said it.

  • if you can't do a few chinups, you shouldn't be lifting
  • if you cant do 25 perfect form pushups, you shoudln't be benching.
  • If you cant one leg squat your body weight, you shouldn't be squatting.

I'll have to find that old article again

[–]dieselpwrd 19 points20 points  (3 children)

I agree with the first two, but pistols are an entirely different animal. That's a very high order for most people. Hell, when I was squatting close to 500 I couldn't do a pistol, but that was more than likely mobility issues and not strength.

[–]LaRedPill 0 points1 point  (2 children)

He didn't say pistol, just one leg squat.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

'Pistol' is the term for one-leg squat.

[–]LaRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With the non squatting leg straight to the front, the one legged squat I know is one with the other leg going to the back, just like a lunge but not using the floor

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Neither of the 3 makes sense. Of course you should be liften even if you cant do a few chinups. That advice is beyond awful. Beyond BEYOND awful i cant comprehend why people would upvote it. If we are talking about a 270 lbs guy if he can get down proper squat and deadlift technique he can get some significant beginner gains from also being fat as well because it helps in terms of being able to stabilize, so he will - from just being overweight - be able to lift bigger weights that he wouldnt be able to when he reaches 220 lbs so he misses out of a lot of "gains" by waiting til hes a skinny 200 lbs guy. Thats beyond stupid. Just get going and go lift. And now tell me, why shouldnt you be benching because you cant do 25 pushups? Tell me the reason behind this utter non-sense? Fat people will struggle with bodyweight exercises but they will do fine in freeweight exercises like benchpress. Theres absolute no reason not to lift because of that. And yes, dont ever attempt one leg squat unless you know what youre doing technically otherwise theres a good chance u'll fuck up your knee for making such a dump attempt, especially if youre fat guy u dont wanna mess around with this if u havent ever been to the gym and dont even know basic squat fundementals.

Those 3 "guidelines" are flat out horrible idk how its not downvoted to oblivion and i hope no1 listens to it.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 8 points9 points  (9 children)

The first two make sense, but I dont know about the one leg squat. Couldnt do that until I got to ~300lbs (edit: squat, not bodyweight).

[–]stonepimpletilists points points [recovered]

I'd have to dredge it up, I'm vaguely recalling an article from years back about it.

[–]krakalot points points [recovered]

Please do I've been moving from place to place every 1-2 weeks for a long time now and would like to read a motivational non gym fitness article

[–]Junted 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Im 190, 6'-3" and just did two on both legs for the first time. Don't be discouraged future readers...

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

300lb squat, not 300lb body weight.

[–]Junted 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Hahahha ok makes much more sense now

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

A 300lb man doing a one leg squat is quite impressive.

[–]Bing400 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It would probably break his leg too

[–]useyourmouth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

like I needed another excuse not to do squats.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Fuck yes! Shit when I started weight training and saw all these big mother fuckers rocking the shit out of weights wanna know what I did? I sure as fuck didn't conjure up some "I am still better than them" bullshit. Fuck no. I walked up to the biggest mother fucker I could find and started talking to him about technique, form, and program structure. Accept the fact that you suck, own it and try your damndest to not suck at that thing anymore!! Now these big motherfuckers wont leave me alone when I only have 45 minutes to hit it hard and fast. That has become my new problem. Good post man, always goid to keep my ass on track!

[–]Zech4riah 22 points23 points  (11 children)

Couple of points and anecdotes to add:

  • Muscle mass doesn't make you alpha
  • Wearing hoodies which have no sleeves is sort of ridiculous.
  • Overly done big guy swag is ridiculous. Actually I try to down play my "big guys swag" because imo it makes you look slow and dumb. And yeah, I'm not like body builder big but the big guy swag comes even before you reach 120kg of lean muscle mass.
  • I look myself from the mirror but fuck progress. Tbh 90% of the time I do it because I like how I have built my body and want to check it out.
  • When shaking hands, the guys that are bigger than me, never squeeze my hand as hard as the small guys or guys who are a bit smaller than me do. It's funny how the hard squeeze coming from a smaller guy tells me that he acknowledges that I'm bigger and tries to challenge me like beta males usually do. Personally I never squeeze hard and certainly never respond to hard squeeze by squeezing harder.
  • This "outsider" and "joining" thing is hard to understand to me. I'm not in the gym to bond with guys and if the gym is crowded I go and just ask can I do some sets between and it is always ok.
  • I've gotten disrespectful attitude only 2 times in the last 10 years I've hit the gym. And of these 2 occasions other one was partly my own fault. I've never seen anyone else treated badly so I'm not sure how common the situation is. Although I'm not lifting in the "hardcore gyms" so there isn't many roid-monsters around

Maybe one additional note for guys starting to lift: When you get results and obvious muscle mass - don't expect compliments from the women. 90% of the time compliments will come from other men :D

[–]WerewolfofWS 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Agree with this one whole-heartedly. I spent roughly 3 years bodybuilding up to 200 lbs and looked like a mass monster, but still didn't have the balls to hit on women at the gym or in a bar. It can be overdone and unnecessary for most women, especially if you're still a little bitch inside.

Goodlookingloser had a good post about this "Plight of the lonesome bodybuilder"

[–]basebool 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Idk no matter how alpha I was I wouldn't waste my time gaming at the gym. Plenty other better areas.

[–]WerewolfofWS 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If girls spend time smiling at you during your workout that are cute and you don't have the balls to contract your vocal chords and make words come out of your mouth, then you are a bitch [this is what I did]

[–]basebool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure if she's giving me ioi's then I'll talk on my rest sets, I don't have a problem with that, but frankly I don't notice others too often while I'm working out. They could have been checking me out for all I know.

Point being was there are much better places to game and just speaking on my opinion the gym isn't where I would want to.

[–]p3n1x 6 points7 points  (1 child)

When shaking hands, the guys that are bigger than me, never squeeze my hand as hard as the small guys or guys who are a bit smaller than me do. It's funny how the hard squeeze coming from a smaller guy tells me that he acknowledges that I'm bigger and tries to challenge me like beta males usually do. Personally I never squeeze hard and certainly never respond to hard squeeze by squeezing harder.

This is the only thing I have to challenge. Maybe it is a cultural background thing, but a limp handshake is for those who lack leadership skills.
All palm, full grip, with a little bit of steam is a sign of respect.
You limp finger me and I'm already mentally erasing any authority you may or may think you have.

Calling a firm handshake "beta" is ridiculous.

[–]Zech4riah 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Firm handshake is another thing and preferred. Hard squeeze is something ridiculous.

[–]Poofysmoof 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I've noticed the squeezing of hands from a lot of younger men. I give a firm handshake but I'm always ready for the squeeze and I have a tradesman grip enhanced with weightlifting so I can crush their grip and will if they try. Why wouldn't you crush their hand? I'm curious, when I first noticed this trend and just let them squeeze without crushing them, it didn't feel right. Now that I grip tighter, it just seems like another way to assert dominance.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thats such a "alpha monkey dance" that im literally shaking my head reading this bullshit. Squeezing hard intentionally doesnt make u alpha at all, not giving a fuck about your squeeze makes u alpha. You wanna know a more effective way to assert dominance with the perception of alpha you have? Walk up and punch him right in the face and knock him to the floor /s. Heck, you'd assert more dominance if you didnt shake his hand at all coz UDGAF

[–]Poofysmoof 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm talking in a professional setting, I'm not walking around trying to feel a bunch of mens hands. I don't think the question is are you Alpha or not. It's just are your gonna let some guy smash your hands? I don't know how many guys hands you shake but I think on a daily I run into 5 or more and it's just a respectful greeting but the younger guys do this. Your last part is I'd love too punch them in the face for trying to smash my hand for no reason but I wouldn't keep my job after that. They have their hand out, and you want me to just look at them and walk away then, yeah I'd keep my customers doing that.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not giving a fuck about your squeeze makes u alpha // all coz UDGAF

I get your point, but this just sound more like "disrespectful poser" using fake tough guy attitude.

"Hiding" behind a false handshake can also be seen as insecure. You can't 'fake' a solid handshake.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

90% of the time compliments will come from other men :D

But the women absolutely adore it. They just can't say it, the same way you can't just go up to a hot chick and tell her she is hot. You have to game her.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Most men have a significant disadvantage because they are not super big/ tall, nor super short.

They do not see the interactions for what they are.

The reason the big guys in my gym leave plates on for me, take "extra" off for me, is because I have shown them that I can hang, will hang, and can add value because I have NO problem telling dude fucking around to get off my bench.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Yo, OP, of course this is going to happen eventually. As a community gets larger and larger, It's identity begins to represent a larger slice of the flock. Eventually, TRP is going to be completely mainstream/beta. Basically, it is going to represent the average dude looking for pick up advice. This happens with anything remotely valuable in society. For instance, take Burning Man. That festival was started by a small group of fringe hippies who LIVED the hyper communal, anti-western lifestyle. These people lived on fucking peyote and mushrooms. Fast forward thirty years and you have rich kids rolling in with their parents $500k RV looking to be(look) cool, get fucked up and fuck bitches. I guarantee, the grass roots Burning Man founders stopped going twenty years ago; they formed another type of festival with their closest companions and embraced the aspects of their tribe devoid mainstream influence.

The same WILL happen with TRP. Boys will flock here en mass in search of masculine inspiration and eventually they'll receive a watered down shadow of what TRP used to be. This is obvious by the declining rate of quality submissions by the founders of this subreddit. Personally, if I want some good red-pilling I read books: Models, The rational Male, No More Mr Nice Guy etc.

You gotta BE TRP man if you want to be part of the gang. These positions are earned, not given by forum submissions; at least, not anymore.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If you wanna see TRP in its glory days, use redditbydate.com and search between 2013 and 2015. Then sort by new to see the average posting quality and comments. Then sort by top for the gold. Don't be thrown off by the low upvotes in former days, that's because of the low subscriber count. I believe it was founded in ~2011 but it was mediocre because it was in its infancy.

[–]flatliner_ 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Being a douchebag or bully is not alpha- seems like some guys can't make the distinction. Double parking in the handicap spots, and trying to start shit with everybody is nothing to idolize.

[–]Patriarchysaurus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Their lack of introspection means they're just aping what they think is "alpha" without realising they're only revealing their emotional weakness and stupidity. You don't become top dog by having delusions of grandeur.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm not gonna lie, for a community of "Alphas" you guys sure give a whole lotta fucks about the opinions of betas. Ffs who cares what they say on other subreddits. Get your head out of your ass and just do you, some dude tells me he's got another set and doesn't do it I'd start throwing his shit off the weights and do my shit anyway. Fuck that guy and fuck everyone else.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 40 points41 points  (31 children)

This post is sidebar material. Says a lot that needs to be said.

Reddit for the most part is a site filled with beta hipster numales. Some of them find their way to TRP. And some of them are turned off by TRP, but some stick around. They see the material here and think there is merit to some of it. There in lies the issue. A lot of these beta hipster numale types come here thinking they can apply some of the TRP ideologies, while at the same time desperately clinging to their fantasy that they can score with women while still being a nerdy hipster, anime loving, Bernie Sanders supporting, pasty scrawny weaboo dweeb who doesn't lift. Because they still cling to the fantasy of women finally coming to their senses, rejecting Chad, and then running into their outstretched arms feeling a wave of euphoric validation as the woman rejected the roided out gym bro in favor for a non lifter who spends his days with nerdy hobbies and past times like anime and video games.

TRP these days has that subset of men who think they can apply some of TRP while still clinging to their beta hobbies, mindsets, and ideologies. And that subset from what I have gathered is growing, not shrinking. Just look at the angry, violent reactions you get when you tell users to lift or stop playing video games. You think women have mach speed hamsters? Telling some men here to lift or give up their video game addictions brings out the light speed hamsters.

One piece of advice I have always given to younger TRPers still in grade school is to play a sport if they are not already. There is no better way to gain male friendship, status, masculinity, and gain FREE access to self improvement programs like weight lifting and conditioning than to be playing a sport in high school. Yet its like this advice when I give it is usually met with hostility. "I don't have time for sports" or "I don't want to be a jock" or "I would rather skateboard". Basically whiny bullcrap you hear from jealous beta men who always whined about the "jocks" at school.

I blame the media. Too many movies and TV shows out there where the hot woman rejects the Chad in the movie and goes for the nerdy guy instead. They think that women are just blind and will eventually see the light that the nerdy guys are way more cool and fun than the Chads. Too many guys still think this is reality. They think they can apply some TRP principles, picking and choosing here and there, that will help them sexually while still remaining the nerdy beta loser they are.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 14 points15 points  (15 children)

You're getting downvoted by these people:

nerdy hipster, anime loving, Bernie Sanders supporting, pasty scrawny weaboo dweeb who doesn't lift.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I know. TRP is full of them.

When I first started coming to TRP I thought TRP was full of a bunch of Chads and alphas. Didn't take long to realize that wasn't the case. It's full of a bunch of pasty scrawny hipster dweebs who are just looking for shortcuts and quick fixes to help themselves with their oneitises, and fake alphas who just go around talking shit to everyone while not contributing anything worthwhile to the community.

The real alphas/Chads/Red Pilled men here are few and far between.

[–]1Metalageddon 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah, but when they speak it's a bullet storm of hot leaden truth, most of the time.

It's worth logging on in found time alone to see what's rattling in their heads.

[–]648262 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TRP is a school.

If you're already a graduate and full of experience then there is no need to go to school. A few select drop in to have a guest lecture, or some might write a paper or a book, but most people around here are pupils, with all the knowledge the average pupil has.

You hear it often enough; people have enough of TRP and move on. The reason is that they learnt what they could and went to another place in life.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (10 children)

My total is over 1300 and I supported Sanders...

Keep the politics out of it.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Careful. Your tampon leak is becoming noticeable.

[–]Bing400 12 points13 points  (8 children)

Was he right in saying that trp shouldn't involve politics whatever the leaning?

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

HSP's point was get over it.

Ftr I am a liberal (not American).

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Don't get triggered over impersonal comments, that's the point.

[–]Roastmenerdsssss 3 points4 points  (2 children)

He's not personally triggered. He's more concerned with the axiom quality of the content -- the truth is a truly red pilled man doesn't make those comments because he's aware that it has zero relation to his standing. Why bash others? You can't as an alpha. You make yourself better.

Did you forget that lil' vanguard boy? You just witnessed the real alpha reminding the beta of how we work.

[–]Bing400 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I was with you till the last paragraph.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Such comments detract from the overall point because they are demonstrably false.

But yea...I was triggered.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Getting pre-emptively upset only reveals your inner state, which gives your opponents an edge over you.

A person's misconceptions about your views only matter when you are about to do business with him. Otherwise, let him be ignorant. It is to your advantage.

Mods, a point for this man.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Getting pre-emptively upset only reveals your inner state,

Straw man argument.

Your second sentence is true and good advice but doesn't apply here.

My point is simply: Demonstrably false statements undermine OP's broader point.

If you, and he, are happy with that, no skin off my nose but perhaps it's an opportunity to improve.

What's a point from a mod?

[–]ComfortablyNumbin281 points points [recovered]

I agree with you, but I mean I go out 3-5 nights a week (3 minimum) usually alone, and I also play computer games on occasion for fun/to relax. I workout 5 nights a week, usually twice a day. It's less not doing those things and it's more do what you feel like OR dont complain about others doing those things.

I want to get cut so I run because it suits my bodystyle better (I always have alot of muscle naturally) and I actually enjoy it alot. Lots of people watching, lots of fun to run in nature/cities and dodge stuff etc.

But I agree with the basic premise that people need to GET OUT MORE than less, and DO MORE SHIT that they might think in the back of their mind, "hey wouldn't it be neat if I did xyz?" Just fucking do it. GO GET WHAT YOU WANT. Women included.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 9 points10 points  (8 children)

I am not talking about playing games every now and then in moderation, I am talking about those who let the fact that they are a "gamer" define who they are. A lot of people define themselves based on their hobbies, activities, and interests. So you have people come here for example, who are big anime lovers and japanophiles and define themselves as such. And wonder why they can't get women.

It pretty much comes down to this: "Ugh, why do girls always go for those loser jocks and meatheads? All they do is play sports, that is so lame! Why don't they go after guys like me who have a lot more fun sophisticated hobbies like gaming and anime? Ugh! I hate women!"

I played football in high school and college and the losers who always whined about "jocks" were losers who were just jealous they couldn't cut it, so they attempted to reframe things in which jocks are the real losers and they were the actual better men.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Yeah we knew a guy like that in high school that a lot of girls liked. He exuded a lot of game for a hipster douche. However, he had no respect from alphas. And in high school, unlike real life, alphas don't really have a barrier to violence. So my friend who was on the football team with me confronted him at a party in front of all of these girls and the dudes then gf. Short story is my buddy the middle linebacker kicked the hipster douches ass mainly just for fun by prodding him into it. Then he actually fucked the guys girlfriend, Disney villain style. It was like as close to caveman redpill theory you can get. That's why so many alphas are in prison. Can't use your strength on other males nowadays.

However, Europe is a different story. I'd argue you can act more classically alpha in Europe. Fistfights in Spain occur often and when you step up to a little beta douch trying to hurt your frame in front of his female friends, you don't even have to think you can actually kick his ass or at least threaten it and scare him (because you likely won't end up in jail and he knows it). Seen this first hand.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

IIRC, it's legal to fight in spain as long as those involved are organ donors and dont use weapons.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Didn't read the whole thing but who was the idiot thinking the gym is more crowded because of TRP? Lmao talk about vastly overestimating the influence of this sub

[–]Endorsed Contributorcholomite 17 points18 points  (7 children)

Good post. It's a hard truth to swallow, but guys need to realize there are NO fucking excuses in life, or in nature. It doesn't matter how the next guy acts, or how he got there. It doesn't matter if he got there by putting you down every day of your life. The bottom line is, he is BETTER than you, and that's all that matters.

The strong prey on the weak. It doesn't matter how the strong got strong, or how the weak became weak. All that matters, is in that moment, the stronger one devoured the weaker one. That's all anyone will ever remember.

[–]dontbedenied 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ugh...so true. I need this slap in the face more often. "Don't get mad, get better."

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Missed you in the last round of flairs BTW.

[–]Icaruis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree with your overall point besides the hypercompetitive shoulder checking intimidating on purpose part. I'd say indifference to others and not giving a fuck what they do or think as soon as you realise they aren't even a remote threat to you would be alpha. Where as trying to prove that you are stronger and better than them is actually below you.

No one owes you to be part of a group or cliche. No one just owes you anything, I don't understand where and why people get the "I deserve x" x being anything from respect, opinion, loyalty, inclusion, attention, participation awards, just anything. You earn that.

[–]stonepimpletilists points points [recovered]

I remember that one, that post made me laugh, and all I could remember is when GLO suggested that 'doing whatever you want with 0 GAF' was a stupid alpha metric... you could sit on the couch and eat doritos all day and be alpha by that metric

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well fuck... back to the drawing board... and the... gym?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I got down voted over at TRP big time

If you find yourself giving a shit about this, you've already lost.

[–]thr0w4w4yaway points points [recovered]

There was a MGTOW-sub discussion Why do you even read that sub is my first question, and why do you bother writing this whole post is my second question.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've already written my response to him, get ready for a follow up from mr_warlock

[–]Bing400 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men. "

From a Freudian point of view, we can branch off into all aspects of life just from that. The red pill motto is very good in that it focuses on the identity of those involved. We are men aren't we? We are men before anything else, hence the focus on sex.

[–]DjangoZero 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm a self-confessed skinny guy and never see people act like dicks at the gym, even the big guys. There's always polite and some do offer help.

[–]cuntrolbot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

insecure, hyper-competitive fucks

It's definitely out there. Don't get so triggered by the accusation. Plus where is this actually happening? Don't tell me you pathetic fucks actually pick on wimpy kids at the gym - hilarious - this is solidly middle tier behavior. If you want to move up, have some respect for yourself, because you are a tool, and your girlfriend wants my dick, just sayin.

[–]Andrea-Amilcare 5 points6 points  (2 children)

There’s nothing Alpha about a bunch of bro-dudes fucking around for 5 minutes between sets, talking about the “sweet ass on that chick on the treadmill” (none have the balls to approach her mind you) and hogging the squat racks or whatever piece of equipment in the gym in the process.

Be the guy who comes in by himself with his headphones on, dialed in as fuck and gets through his workout in 60 minutes. He’s Alpha.

[–]ionforge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's with all this stupid alpha/beta labelling of everything. How is it that a bunch of guys socializing, having fun and talking about girls are more "beta" that a almost autistic gym goer.

[–]headon_collision 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah thats very true. now that you mention it. the personal trainers and frequent big guys usually talk around the equipment. and I'm the headphone guy you mentioned. I usually just approach them nicely and say something like "yo coaches waddup, I wanna use the machine do u mind" and they just move and let me train.

actually to be honest I don't find them trainers/ripped/big guys at the gym alpha at all. sometimes I just think to myself that it must be kinda sad spending all time in the gym as a main thing. while others come here get shredded to other purposes while furthering their lives in other ventures but this is their main thing. it's kinda sad so I end up feeling sorry for them sometimes.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 7 points8 points  (8 children)


  • "Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."


That sentence has a different meaning if you focus on the positive identity aspect.

I'd be fine if the sexual strategy part was dropped.

Rewrite that to:


  • "Discussion of existence in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."


Then part out the sexual aspects into other subs.

There really needs to be a generic Red Pill sub with a "big picture" viewpoint.

However I have no problems with our "big tent" approach where we have males operating with different strategies to have a positive view. We disagree on strategies, but all agree anything is better than being beta and without a clue.

It all boils down to Natural Laws anyway... the sex is the "tease" to draw the clueless beta into our wake up process.

Sex sells the sub... so it's "useful".

No changes are needed as far as I see it.


  • Amused Mastery = Positive Identity


...try to think like Mozart with a free mind. (where we got AWALT)



[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Thats what drew me in...but sure as fuck aint what keeps me around

[–]NeoreactionSafe 4 points5 points  (0 children)



I hear this pretty often... guys are coming to me saying I'm one of the few guys (left) who actually thinks and creates insightful things to read on the Red Pill.

A common complaint is "The Red Pill is getting Boring".

And it gets boring as it gets "Dumbed Down" into a Jersey Shore reality which simplifies things to "Gym, Tan, Laundry".

In fact, if you went back two years the primary attack against the Red Pill was that it was overly simplistic.

So in a way the Blue Pill manipulators are getting their way... they want it dumbed down.

To kill the Red Pill you make it simple and literal.


  • We keep the Red Pill alive by giving it a fluid capacity to Game the world.


The root problem is that the upvote system (like democracy itself) tends to make popular the ideas which are simplified and resonate with the beta males who just entered the system. The beta male wants a simple step by step rigid and literal path to power. With well over 200,000 subscribers we have been overwhelmed with new guys who upvote the wrong stuff.

However, in reality power is never gained by that rigid mindset the beta thinks will work.

Leaders are fluid and practice Game which is the bending of reality.

Game can be inner (reprogramming your own emotions) or outer (reprogramming others emotions) but either way it's an understanding of how these rules work.

We can teach Natural Law (the rules are rigid) but to use Game you must have a fluid mind.


Any time you are sent down a rigid path that will put you "in the dark".

Slavery is "being in the dark".

A happy slave thinks "Ignorance is Bliss".

Simplicity is ignoring the complex and subtle... which is the real... in order to be happy and in the dark.


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Also, I have listened to mozart alot--but never knew that what that meant. No shit.

[–]LynxEveryone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. There's already a seduction subreddit for the "lift, frame, Tinder" stuff.

[–]massivewang 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I really blame TRP for making gyms a miserable experience for those who lift for themselves

Da Fuq? Where are these autistic homosexuals lifting weights?

1.) The vast majority of people I encounter in public are kind and courteous, yes even straight jacked steroided dudes in the gym. In fact the guys who lift in the gym understand what it's like needing to get a set in and if you ask "hey can I jump in" they'll let you most of the time.

you never see them talk to a guy just starting out or trying to help or seeming receptive.

2.) What the fuck is this shit about the jacked dudes not helping the guy. This guy is a little bitch who needs to take ownership of his life. Welcome to reality autistic homosexual, NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOU.

  • Hire a trainer,
  • shoot videos of your form and upload to a subreddit or the net for verification that form is good
  • join a crossfit gym
  • do stronglifts 5x5
  • read books
  • go to a strongman gym
  • go to classes at your gym
  • Actually ASK one of those steroided jacked dudes for advice on your form or exercise
  • etc etc etc

Nobody has an OBLIGATION to help anyone. People will leave you the fuck alone, especially because people tend not to receive that shit well even when they're wrong.

All in all this is bullshit from a guy who has read red pill but hasn't internalized that HE NEEDS TO FUCKING TAKE OWNERSHIP FOR HIS LIFE and STOP COMPLAINING.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's safe to assume they aren't lifting anything other than rubber balls and using smith/cardio machines. This is assuming they lift at any frequency that constitutes them as 'lifting'. If you don't use heavy free weights, you don't lift.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Yo bud, i need to use the machine."

Would rather mentally torment themselves, bitch, and complain, rather than handle business.

But i guess its hard to be assertive when they break their own frame because they're such huge pussies.

[–]CaffineAddictNYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This used to be a huge problem for me.

[–]Party_Olive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your gym example doesn't even require you to be at the strength level of the other gym bros to pull it off. If you are confident, assertive but non-confrontational, you generally get along with everyone.

When I started lifting a year and a half ago, I was quickly able to make friends with dudes who have been lifting for decades. I did this by being confident in my ability to do the reps while deferring to the experienced lifters superior strength and knowledge. There is definitely going to be some pushback as you establish yourself in any setting, but if you have a pair of balls and don't act like a pussy, it's easy to integrate with little effort.

[–]edefakiel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm skinny as fuck, I can only handle ridiculous weights and no one has ever bother me in any of the four gyms that I've been in. I don't know what kind of people have this kind of negative experience.

[–]Profdiddy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I agree with most except your comments about academia. Having done B.S., M.S., PhDs and currently an MBA I think academia is brutally competitive but subtle. There's no chest bumping gorilla shit but the subtle art of manipulation, social proof, resource acquisition, etc. is another level. Gym bros are playing checkers while I'm playing chess.

That said, academia itself has little to do with sexual strategy. One could use it as a model and make posts but who has the time.....

[–]headon_collision 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm doing an MS to and confirm your observations, pretty competitive field, it's a battle zone only those from the inside can see. it could be healthy and nurturing if you have the right colleagues u end up learning alot

[–]Desadarius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's funny how in depth this shit goes haha

"That guy is walking like this he's so insecure"

Mind your own fucking shit. Who the fuck cares how another man walks lmao, complete bitch boy behavior

[–]THE_StrongBoy 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The only mtgow that I respect is the one who can bang a lot of girls relative to his smv and still chooses to go mtgow. Anyone else is incel, and this guy especially. He's obviously small and weak, cause guys who are big or strong or both don't bitch about those guys, but try to be friends with them.

He's just a scared beta bitch who's safe space is ruined by the big boys

Spez: in this thread - triggered mgtow

[–]stonepimpletilists points points [recovered]

Ah, the Terrence Popp MGTOW. Wife killed his dog, took his kids, forced him to pay up the nose, and lose his house.

That man gets to take time off. Idiot scared of gymbros hasn't earned it yet

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He's also an ex-Army Ranger

[–]duckssmokequack points points [recovered]

Didn't bother to read much because it sounded stupid, but to me it just seems like OP is complaining about people complaining.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some people chose to take it as complaining. Others would view it as a discussion about gym antics.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What makes the MGTOW post hillarius is that it's basically an admission that MGTOWs are Cucks who feel gym-intimidated by theoretical Red Pill Gym Bros.

Keep in mind that the Red Pill/MGTOW gym confrontation is purely imaginary. It never even fucking happened

But MGTOWs are such depressed losers that the whole post can be read as a defeat fantasy. Basically MGTOWs fantasize about losing because in their mind it makes them the good guy.

Or perhaps the post is a justification for not going to the gym because of the statistically non-existent Red Pill menace.

Regardless of how you psychoanalyze the post it's an obvious expression of inadequacy.

So the moral of this story is Law 10 Avoid the unhappy and the unlucky because they will drag you down into their misery and then you will have to live amongst the MGTOW sewer people.

[–]PM-ME-SMTH-UNIQUE 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Yeah, no. This is utter bullshit, misinterpreted by someone that just has to take every Form of criticism against himself personally, which is more of a testimony of being a whiny pussy than an alpha.

This is the most girly post I've read on trp on a while. Sorry, but I your just a skinny ass bitch, maybe you shouldn't be wearing tank tops and stare in the mirror for half an hour while blocking the equipment.

There is a clear difference between alphas and pretentious little bitches... And if you can't tell the difference, then I've got bad news for you son. You're one of the latter.

[–]caP1taL1sm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What the fuck are you even saying

[–]twolanterns 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah, and you're whining about the guys who are whining. You're like the trickle down media whore, props to /u/GayLubeOil for that performance

[–]daysdontgetold points points [recovered]

We can't even start to talk about how much this is holding the sub back, I want to post a guide on growing your social media following but most of these lonely losers are going to spam it with "but social media is liek for bitches bro".

I think the red pill has hit a ceiling and a new even more hardcore belief system has to come along to help younger men actually do well with women and live a great life, not some mediocre loser life.

You have morons on AskTRP telling guys to leave their six figure jobs because "the stress is not worth it".

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

1) Post it. Don't ever pander to lonely losers in your posts.

2) 6 figure jobs are gonna be working for someone else in corporate america 60hrs+/week and 10hrs traffic (and depending on the location, taxed to hell). If you do it, be single, no children, and stash some cash away, then figure out how to use it for passive income and other investments/ventures (inventions, business ideas, etc) so you don't have to work that job anymore. Consultant or freelance is better than being an employee if you got the skill the charge a high enough price and then chill a bit in between jobs.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can have a six figure job and work a 40 hour work week with a normal commute. The benefits and opportunities with some companies are fucking fantastic.

No doubt the self employment ceiling is higher but TRP demonization of the corporate gig is retarded.

[–]loofy_goofy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't agree with almost everything.

Hyper-competitiveness could be framed as insecurity. In case the purpose is the validation of someone. That's almost always some hidden validation-seeking at play. Also there are a lot of pathology involved here like it is easy to drag someone hyper-competitive into meaningless contest. A little bit of competitiveness is ok.

The whole MGTOW philosophy in some kind of schizoid in its nature e.g. 'I am cool and strong since I don't need anyone' where TRP philosophy 'I am cool because I got everyone's approval'.

I like this 'You feel like an outsider to most people because you are.' There are many ways to compete and everybody think their way is the best. And that they get it! Pathetic mangina high intelligent would probably feel the same contempt for typical TRP-fantasy guy and vice versa.

But the mirror and a progress? That's mere hamstering. Mirror looking is narcissistic jerking. Though I don't know why this behaviour should be judged. But common.

'a dominance hierarchy is formed (i.e. cheifs, warriors, and hereditary leadership). It is natural.' - yeah, but guess what in our current world there are no place for chiefs, warriors and hereditary leaders. The residues are tyrannts and better be dead then alive, and warriors don't fight in a war anymore, they are involved in local conflicts where they are mostly killing innocent people, then they of course have PTSD and go nuts.

48 Laws of Power is a book where main theme is doing courtship e.g. being beta and repress the anger. The typical machiavellian type is probably Zuckerberg not a gym bro.

If you not a caring leader and moralistic leader - you strength wouldn't help. You can take a look at chimpanzee - if you are an asshole leader you'd be torn apart by a crowd.

Your agression which you want so much to manifest probably would be used against you in modern world.

And if you want to actually become a Top Guy - I have bad news for you. You probably need to have really high IQ and relatively good health (and not be born in Africa of course). Both traits are mostly heritable.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Person 1; tough luck, things change, businesses want to attract more customers, not be Zen meditation spots for internet randoms.

Person 2; I don't know the context of this one but I find it the most empathetic from in the top-half selection. Gyms are full of skinny metro posers these days and I truly don't give a crap about them clumping together and rubbing giblet's but when they're hogging equipment without using it then it's just stupid, selfish and likely against the establishment's policy. I say this with the caveat that it's not the bigger men that do this anyway, you don't get big by standing around jaw-wagging. Steroids, are you competing against them? If not then why are you upset? It's their hearts they're destroying, not yours. 'Cool guy swagger' hmmmm, it is the gym...it's not a place of business for anyone but the owners.

Person 3; people stare at me all the time and try talking to be about Rugby (Rugby! The most pointless sport in existence!), I'm the one avoiding eye contact because I don't want to talk to anybody. It's weird, I'd rather they kept to themselves.

Person 4; again, it's a gym. I'm not huge, but even I do this sometimes, often just resting.

Person 5; I've no idea what context this was said in but it's really not the case.

Person 6; they know you're a MGTOW on sight, definitely, and it upsets them for reasons their tiny minds can't comprehend.

Story 1; sounds quite nice actually. Most of my male co-workers have either been miserable, married blowhards or skunk smoking emo pillocks.

Story 2; guess it worked out for you. I would have approached the original encroachment with civility straight off the bat though, it's not enough to tell someone they're bothering you, you've got to explain to them just how they are and it'd sure be swell if they wouldn't - so you're giving them an opportunity to think "it's all cool, we just weren't paying attention and ended up disturbing someone."

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Rugby is the shit. The most animal sport there is except fighting. 15's is all out war. No pads for leverage or grabbing. Tiring as hell though and feel all bruised and sore after.

Now talking about rugby as a spectator? Yeah, boring.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Many sports are enjoyable to play but not to watch, Tennis in my view for one, but with Rugby I think the risk far outweighs the rewards when viewing it through the lens of having better choices.

You can do combat sports and likely get less damaged but end up with better "skills" that come out of the experience - especially wresting and BJJ that don't involve striking.

Apparently American Football is the more brutal because, even with the padding and helmets, you have more full-on contact and collide at higher speeds with more...acrobatics...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The talent pool is also way higher in American Football. Josh Barnett explained it best on JRE last week.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I watched that and saw the Rugby/AF debate spin out in the comments section.

Was a good podcast.

[–]Styles_Clash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Initially skeptical, but all valid points. I'm not a manlet but not tall either so not necessarily intimidating at the gym. Can personally say that asking "how high are you guys going?" or "how many sets?" is the perfect set-up into getting a workout if the station is taken (Especially squat racks). Reading that part brought back memories in my college gym of surprising everyone with how much I can lift

[–]Avskygod0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm thinking the problem isn't as much as "ree i'm the victim" as much as it its "what the fuck am i supposed to do now" that transforms into the first

In short, being raised wrong

[–]headon_collision 0 points1 point  (1 child)

seems to me that OP spent heck of alot of time dissecting and complaining about someone whining, thats said I like his writing style I would say it would be better invested if you go write a book dude.

to reply to the post though. I have been going to the same gym for over a year now. had no major confrontations what so ever, I mean there are the usual "can you please move a side since I want to train on this machine" where they always move afterwards even though in some incidents the expression on the face says they don't really like it but it's my right so screw dim!.

other than that I really don't know where the original poster came with all this bullshit I mean I'm also a MGTOW but non of all that happens. heck the gym I go to is very popular in one of the major cities in the world, so you see plenty of big guys and extremely ripped dudes around but I never have an incident.

I'm your typical headphones "I'm here to train not to talk" kinda guy. I just show up and let my G-shock timer go off 90min and leave when it beebs, I rarely talk to anyone unless I want to use the machine they are in or want their weights. otherwise I just keep to myself, train and enjoy my time.

the post makes me feel that they guy who posted it goes to a freaking prison gym. what staring, everyone in the gym is there to train, yeah they talk sometimes but no one stairs or size one another at least it never happened to me, I mean there was only this one time a fat guy was staring at me while lifting but I think it was cuz he was fat and wished one day he would have a body like mine, in which I truly sympathized with since I was a fat ass myself in one point in my life. in all the years I have been going to gyms.

I would also would like add being alpha in my experience is being respectful of people and generally charismatic toward them. this is how u lead not through aggression. it works every single time in almost all situations just be nice, genuine and appreciative of them, wither small, big, rich, or any guy you meet and he'll do whatever in his power to help you or connect to you. just don't be an idiot so people don't use u, u have to know how to read people, be nice and caring but with boundaries and guards up. this is what works for me.

in fact it's always in your power to prevent a situation from turning ugly. just being charming, smiling and being funny makes you own the situation and take charge. even if the other party is extremely mad he'll just walk away from you instead of provoking you.( since he knows if he lays the 1st punch on you he'll lose his frame socially and u come on top. it takes alot of confident to that but it works in most civilized social situations. "emphasis on civilized"

I took many courses on conflict resolution and one of the most successful strategies is to not let the conflict happen in the 1st place. take tons of confident but thats how most people handle tense situations.

now I don't even know how I ended up in this thread cuz I was reading about "fitness industry" and this was at the read next or something. I rarely participate on threads since I would rather spend my time either advancing my self or in my free time spend it on quality entertainment to enjoy my leisure, I know I need to start a thread about this or something but I find replying and spending time on thread useless. I sure as hell can't put it on my resume, I believe that once one get the redpill fully he should go on applying the knowledge and delivering it to other guys in his sphere personally when a chance arises, this way you gain social influence but on the internet not much is gained, this doesn't mean I don't appreciate the knowledge I gained from participant here quite the opposite but at some point you have to leave your print and leave to become the best person possible. it sorta saddens me that the guy who posted the original complaining claims to be MGTOW. since as a MGHOW I can assure u that I am going my own way and don't give a fuck about all that, and never experienced what he mentioned. it's all imaginary. anyway back to becoming the best man I am. peace guys wish you the best, go out there chase what you want, appreciate people, chase your dreams become better and pussy will sure follows if thats what you want but don't make it a goal. ha now thats a rant I didn't expect to write today.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it would be better invested if you go write a book dude.

I am.

[–]SplitFigure 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This post plus the mandatory piece = easy 'save'.

Breath of fresh air. Thanks OP.

[–]grandaddychimp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really blame TRP for making gyms a miserable experience for those who lift for themselves. I believe TRP is responsible for this new wave of guys hitting the gym with the sole purpose of scoring pussy

I didn't understand this many years ago when I was a noob at lifting and I still don't understand this mentality. It doesn't matter what your motivations are for lifting. Whether you want to look better, feel better, score pussy, be healthier, be more disciplined, or whatever other reason you can think of, it doesn't matter. Maybe you you have no reason other than you just want to pick up heavy shit and put it back down again. Maybe you're only doing it because you can't think of any reason to not do it. The only thing that matters is that you are lifting.

Saying you need to "lift for yourself"...that's the kind of shit that discourages people from going to the gym. It's such a holier-than-thou attitude that is rooted in nothing more than arrogance.

[–]Momo_dollar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Firstly, I've heard one MGTOW video and thought the guy was a whinny and pathetic dude, and here's why he identified a problem but didn't accept his weakness or what he could learn from it. Basically , he designed websites and a female cousins who hosted his mum contacted him to ask him to make him a website. His whole video was bitching about how she assumed he'd do it for free because she hosted his mum and how he as a man was compelled to do it for free. Not once did he address what he could / should have done in that situation. After I watched another video to make sure and in indeed that group really offers just problems , reasons for the problems but accepts no responsibility or even thinks about change.

As for your post I get your point. But there is one group, and that's those that overcompensate, it don't matter how big and muscly or rich or whatever but you can always tell a phoney who knows he is a phoney and is over compensating to hide an insecurity

[–]metallicdrama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah. Fuck gyms. Get a pull-up bar, some rings, and a jump rope. Save the cash and drive time. If you're driving to a gym to run on a treadmill lol. If you're that dedicated to lifting for life getting your own shit is cheaper.

[–]DarkuSchneider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find it doubtful TRP has made any quantifiable impact to gym culture. What has been described I have seen in gyms forever(I'm over 40 for ref). TRP has been getting larger fresh waves of visitors because of various publicity and the growing backlash against things that program BP men whom are starting to get tired of it. It's expected there will be crap posts and comments from new people with these waves. The mods work hard to keep the worst stuff cleared but sometimes those posts can offer a teaching opportunity.


I dislike the alpha/beta thing some but understand it is merely a tool of relativity that is easier for a wider audience to understand. Some people do indeed get overly invested emotionally in these labels. This is an easy trap for people to get caught up in who are conditioned to subscribe to identity politics or thirsty for validation. A fully whole and self actualized person will have both and know when to apply them and care little about labels IMHO. Some have called me a lone wolf but I have a very busy life and little time or patience for distractions and people who have nothing of value to offer.


There is always debate on this but I do not lift for pussy and neither should you IMHO. Yes it helps pull the eyes of navel gazers but if you have no game that's all you'll get is a passing glance. I know a former Olympian with medals who's rich and jacked 6" 4". He gets dominated by women if he can even get them because he has no game and frame with them but is a great trainer. They come over and feel up his muscles then he talks and they have to be someplace else suddenly and skitter off unless they realize he's loaded then some try to suck him dry or they can't stand him anymore before bailing. He is at least smart enough to not get married and make babies for now. When I tell people to lift it is to not only build a strong healthy body for the girls to drool over, it is training self discipline and confidence. Men who come here are not in great shape always and have no self confidence because they have not done anything meaningful for themselves and/or have poor self esteem. When you lift it requires you to cultivate willpower that pits muscle against the iron and the doubts that haunt your mind which limits potential. You are responsible for your progress and get to see the product of your efforts and you can blame no one but yourself if you fail. When you start to make progress it gives motivation and that addictive feeling of accomplishment. Working through it all is a part of building genuine confidence and character. The muscles help attract prospects, confidence and character seals the deal more often than not in my experience.


Try not to let the lamentations of others distract you from your own path and understand this is the nature of humans. As always best of luck brothers.

[–]Hjalmbere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There used to be a clique of huge juiced up bouncer types at a gym I sometimes go to, but the owner banned them. Bad for business with people who are grunting loudly, discussing doping, fights and also intimidating other customers.

This was just one gym, and I've never experienced anything like that in other gyms. Usually there's cameraderie and politeness.

[–]momosgarage points points [recovered]

Person 5 "In a real world without artificial social restraint to protect the weak, those guys would be dispatched in short order."

Breakdown •No. Any time human beings have an abundance of food, specifically agriculture, a dominance hierarchy is formed (i.e. cheifs, warriors, and hereditary leadership). It is natural. If artificial social restraint wasn't their to protect the weak, you'd be screwed. Dispose of your weak people overthrow fantasies**

[–]grandaddychimp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're overthinking some of this. If you want to use a machine or bench or weights that someone is on, just ask how many more sets they have or if you can work in with them. It's not that hard. 99% of them won't give you any shit for it.

[–]Profdiddy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

MBA is paid for through work. Taking it to better understand how to manage wealth. Not sure where your vitriol is coming from but it is misplaced. I am able to do it for a couple of reasons. One, I have tenure which means I can pretty much do things my way. Two, I craft my own schedule, which gives me three day weekends every week in terms of lecturing. Three, I've been doing this a long time so prep time for a good bit of my work is next to nothing compared to when I first teach a course. The only problem comes when I am writing grants or papers, collaborating on research. Then lots of coffee is needed. I've downsized the research a bit while doing the MBA in finance.

[–]Kid_Koon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, being an alpha isn't about nobility, if by nobility you mean polite, chivalrous and honest; being an alpha is about being a ruthless jerk who will stop at nothing nor no one until he gets what he wants; this is the goal because nobility doesn't bring the results men desire.

Take Rorschach and Ozymandias from Watchmen, both men were on opposite extremes of the spectrum.

Rorschach was the truth seeker, or the pure finder, rooting through the shit of life incessantly for any morsel he could find, down trodden by the futility of his searching, but determined that he was doing the right thing.

Ozymandias was the god, he'd made his way to the top without effort, and knew every move which one should use to get there.

You know the difference between Rorschach and Ozymandias? One believed that the truth must be told always; the other knew that sometimes a lie is more effective.

Honest people don't get anywhere because we live in a dishonest world; open books give away too much to too many; those who don't play the game get played.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Great fuckin' post. This doesn't apply only to gym posts, but 99% of the drivel that's posted here.

I rather grab a beer with a gym bro than almost anyone here. They would help me along in my journey to the golden snatch more than the idiot posting about them.

Take action and shut the fuck up. It's been my motto the past month. It's wonderful.

[–]Terdmuffin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Some people just need to learn some damn humility and respect and realize their inadequacies are their own fault.

In high school and early college 2 friends and I consistently lifted together. There were a couple of people bigger or stronger at our gym (a pretty small ymca), but overall we were basically the biggest/strongest group and we did what we wanted. We were loud, we hogged machines, etc, and no one said anything. We EARNED those privileges by getting to the top of the ladder(though in this gym it was more like a step stool). Eventually I got a membership at a REAL gym. I felt scrawny and weak. I was no longer a top dog. I didn't cry about it, I didnt whine on the internet, but most importantly I didn't blame THEM. They were at the top and they acted like it and good for them, they EARNED it. If you want to be treated like the alpha, become the alpha. When you're squatting 365 and some weakling wants to work in, feel free to take a couple hundred pounds off the bar and then put it back on between sets... That's your choice. If you don't want to take it off that's fine too. But until you get to that point don't whine about people not doing it for you.

[–]metallicdrama -1 points0 points  (10 children)

Most of the dudes on here are pure bullshit artists. So many dudes say that anything other than their bullshit is bullshit. As someone who has worked in sales I know bullshit. I'm broke as fuck and probably get more pussy than these LARPers. Women will fuck whoever is fun and has good vibes. They don't check a bank statement just like how we don't check ID. And almost no one on here is here for advice on picking out a wife.

You guys break this shit down into an overthought cat-mouse game. I get laid often just being my normal self. The complete opposite of what I always see on here. Maybe if you already suck and need a forum to tell you how to improve, that won't work, but then again neither will following shit on the internet, because it's not yours.

Having good hygiene, plain clothes in good condition that fit well, and a natural sense of humor with some wit gets you farther than being an ASPD sperg with money and muscle, peacocking HAM and being a douche. I have long hair, a beard, wear jeans and tshirts, drive a Ford, am currently unemployed, don't even have a 4 year degree, and had an MD into me. Suck it!

Not that some of you guys don't get yours in real life (and embellish the fuck out of it), but this place has become like the Democratic Party. You want to hit the middle for the greatest spread. Money is more for holding a woman down. Not getting in her pants. Some of you guys can't even bring the bantz online but supposedly are Pussy gurus in the wild. Lol. Definitely be in good shape and groomed, but everything else on here is a crock. If you needed the internet to tell you to not look like shit, then you're too dumb to procreate.

I don't think about where she is on her cycle and whether my attitude matches it. I don't strategize my convo like a business meeting. I just go. Thanks for the post OP. I hardly come here anymore bc of all the BS. Half the shit on here would my game up. I get laid BY BEING MYSELF because I don't need a formula off the internet. Go for a walk, get some sun, talk to people, get funny. Stop projecting on the internet like a fucking loser guys. Pizza delivery drivers get more Pussy than half the dudes on here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

How long did it take for you type up that crap nonsense. Seems like a bullshitter trying to get attention. Piss off asshole.

[–]metallicdrama 0 points1 point  (3 children)

About as long as it took to take a shit and wipe with your toothbrush at your girl's house. Says the butthurt soapboxer projecting HAM. Lol. Okay breh.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So a guy who is broke and wears decent clothing gets more pussy then most of trp? Give me a break. Most of us are professionals with money and networking skills that allow us to meet a bunch of women....as if some bum who doesn't even have a degree gets more then us. Unless you are model tier good looking, fuck off with that nonsense. Not one thing of substance was in your post but rather a giant post stroking your cock. You are seriously delusional.

[–]metallicdrama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whatever makes you feel like less of a chump. Women don't care about degrees when you own your business, can fix anything, have friends all over the state and are not only damn good looking, but have many talents and is just a damn good time. I perform standup comedy, helped make a documentary, and even helped on a film picked up by Miramax. I don't "network" like some robotic narcissist. I have a lot of genuine friends all over many places. I'm well traveled and can talk about just about anything. It must really suck to know you are someone else's bitch, went to college and some random dude driving a used $4k car that spends a lot of his free money on guns and motorcycles who used to clean windows is banging an MD while you browse this trying to get an edge in on some other careerist hack.

[–]metallicdrama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now I understand after looking at your profile. You're fully invested in this BS lol. Maybe if you spent less time on the internet and more time "networking", you'd get more tail, instead of pretending you get too much and want to help out other spergs lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Accuses other users of saying that 'anything other than their bullshit is bullshit'.

Proceeds to explain why anything other than his bullshit is bullshit.

Normie IQ detected.

[–]metallicdrama 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Normie IQ indeed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Nice Strawman. I didn't say this couldn't work for other people who need to fake it til they make it. I said it's bullshit to think this is gospel and works for everyone or is the only thing that works. I already know most other people can't be me. You're just fooked if you're that bad at reading comprehension or troll TRP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You didn't have to put a link. You could have said 'I know you are but what am I?' and it would have had roughly the same effect.

So we should all follow the wisdom of metallicdrama, whose advice consists of;

'(Have) good hygiene, plain clothes in good condition that fit well, and a natural sense of humor with some wit.'

And of course, BEING YOURSELF is the most important thing of all!

Whoa, slow down there pal. I'll need some time to process this paradigm shifting information. How can I confront such a foreign reality? Will I ever be the same again?

Btw, that MD is bound by oath to put her finger up your arse if you have a medical complaint, so no it doesn't count as foreplay. Better luck next time ;)

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

Exactly. Whether or not people like him, Dan Bilzerian is living it up and has a great abundance mentality, yet people insult try to make excuses as to why he isn't "alpha"

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I think most people just don't give a shit what a trust fund kid does. Like ok great, if my parents were rich, I could be that guy.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I learned that day that the 'lone sigma-alpha' fantasy is bullshit unless you're exceedingly bigger than everyone else.

The Sigma male is not a fantasy at all. The truth about the sigma is that he is temporarily displaced and is either on an adventure that will force him into solitude or he is searching for a pack to join.

For example: In skyrim, while you're wandering around the terrain fucking shit up you're a sigma though as soon as you join the stormcloak army you've been given the opportunity to prove yourself as an alpha.

The problem is that many people don't understand what Sigma really means and they use it as an excuse to be lazy and not have friends.

If you've been a sigma for too long, you're not a sigma, you're a lazy fuck. And you'll know whether or not you're a sigma just by reading this because true sigmas never call themselves sigma.

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