Rant/VentingBeing average is enough to get laid (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1Harry_Wangs

I've been seeing a trend on TRP recently, making it seem as though many women have insane standards when it comes to getting laid, but they really don't. Perhaps its the influx of newbies in their anger phase or MGTOWs.


Although I am an advocate for personal improvement, even in the past when I wasn't buff or working a lucrative professional job, I still had female attention and I would have gotten much more action if I actually went out and socialized. Granted, personal improvement has made attracting women much easier. But everyone should strive for personal improvement, regardless of what women think.


Most of the times, getting laid is based on good timing and good logistics. When a woman has fun and if you have the right logistics, it doesn't really matter if you're Chad or if you're an average guy. Women enjoy sex too.


Furthermore, most average guys suck with women not because of their physical characteristics, but because of their mindset. I see too many lame ass guys (who might be even good looking) standing around at parties, not being social, not providing any value at all. This used to be me. These are often the faggots that don't understand why women don't like them, or feel cheated by them. Even worse than these guys are the guys who never go out, might try tinder (ofc doesn't work if you're just average looking) and complain women have standards that are too high.


I can almost a guarantee, most average looking guys can at least get laid once a month (or much more) if they went out every weekend and actually approached women.


Finally, so many average guys try to score 7+ girls. Its good to shoot for attractive girls always, but if you're just average why do you think a more attractive girl should choose you, you're average? Sure, 7+ will still hookup with average guys with the right timing, but getting rejected is no reason to be bitter.


Female entitlement is an issue, but male entitlement exists too. If you're a lame ass average guy who isn't social, fun, or approaching women, what do you expect? For them to throw themselves at you or fall out of the sky during one of your video gaming sessions?


The point of this post is this: if you're average but still on your path to self-improvement, don't stop going out or stop approaching women. You can still have plenty of sex if you just approach and socialize more. Being average won't limit you too much. If you're average or even above average and still aren't getting laid, its your behavior and not some unrealistically high standard women have. Be fun, social and approach women.

[–]Sorensofos 124 points125 points  (57 children)

Get laid ... Eventually. If you want to get laid often? Like more than once every six months, you have to work for it.

[–]EnterEgregore points points [recovered]

Yes, an average dude can get sex. Even every other day in a relationship.

If you want to get a really hot girl though, you got to work hard for it.

[–]ImHydeRightNow 21 points22 points  (4 children)

The guys you see on Reddit whining for any sex are either really socially isolated or have major problem that go beyond just seduction

Or they're too picky for their SMV...low value men should chase low value women, it's the only chance they have.

[–]EnterEgregore points points [recovered]

Or they're too picky for their SMV

Woman work in a different way than men in that sense. All men like the same girl but are less picky. Women like a variety of guys but are really picky. That's why you'll get many girls than don't care about you and others that'll fucking obsess about you.

[–]madeaccforthiss 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Men view women objectively. They'll all like the 9 that just walked into the room no matter where they see her.

Women view men subjectively. Most women will like a guy who is a 6 in physical attractiveness when he walks into the club with 2 models on him, gets the VIP treatment by the bartender, knows the owner and is all around fun. Even if they don't view him as a potential sexual partner on that day, they'll be receptive due to them having something to gain being around him. If they're ever drunk at a party and he is the best option there (good timing) and has his own place nearby (good logistics), they'll sleep with him.

Very few like the same guy when he walks into a coffee shop just wearing a white tee and jeans.

The girls that obsessed about you probably got a really good first impression. You were killing it at a party, had everyone listening to your stories, brought a really good vibe.

[–]CQC3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The girls that obsessed about you probably got a really good first impression. You were killing it at a party, had everyone listening to your stories, brought a really good vibe.

Everybody can think of one bitch they didn't really like that much that liked them and they just couldn't NOT be attractive to her. You literally don't try, attempt to say nothing or say little, be very curt with your conversations and avoid eye contact, but you sense this very real force at work by virtue of being so detached that the attraction she feels for you is effortless and light.

Whenever I chat a girl up and try to determine her interest level, I always remember this feeling. Because when a woman is really attracted to you things WILL go smoother than not. Like Rollo said, the medium IS the message.

[–]iamneptuno 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You got it backwards, sport. Females are after the same males, males are after many different females.

[–]2littleblacktruck 57 points58 points  (41 children)

OP is right. I get laid regularly and I'm 43 years old 5'8" 120lbs. Mediocre as fuck. There's no work. Just talk to women. Eight times out of ten, they just walk up to you and start talking. Sometimes you'll notice them move into your bubble like they want you to talk to them... so talk. You may pull 6s, but you're getting laid and getting breakfast made at least once a month. With good timing, you can get 7s or 8s. Just don't overthink everything and be a neurotic Snake Nut Can springing into nervous stammering when speaking to a woman.

[–]Monkey_Jerk 76 points77 points  (11 children)

Eight times out of ten, they just walk up to you and start talking. Sometimes you'll notice them move into your bubble like they want you to talk to them

Are you white in an asian country or something? I can count on one hand the amount of times this has happened to me over 7 years of going to bars and clubs.

[–]1edwardhwhite 33 points34 points  (4 children)

He is in his 40s. Older men get tons of attention.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 15 points16 points  (2 children)

If we look ok we do. If you look like Homer Simpson or a desperate fat fuck, no you're not getting attention. Littleblacktruck and I are the same height, but I'm much heavier, more than twice as heavy. I can get laid by a different girl every couple days if I want to, thin, attractive, various ages from 18 to 50. The muscle makes it easy for me.

[–]1edwardhwhite 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh, I most definitely lift. It is the gold if you are in your 40's.

[–]omgwot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You might not be setting yourself up with the right situations or give off the right vibe. I was going alone to a bar and as a regular I eventually started getting noticed even though I was fat, with a long black bum shirt and with messy hair. It's all about attitude and logistics.

[–]NabroleonBonaparte 2 points3 points  (4 children)

It might be your body language/vibe/social group.

I'm nowhere near 40 and a minority and I've been approached multiple times in major cities and college bars.

[–]Monkey_Jerk 2 points3 points  (3 children)

body language

Never saw a difference. In fact one of the times I was approached I looked like I wanted to murder someone.


No difference whether I was having fun or didn't want to be there. Most of the time I didn't have fun though. Those places aren't meant for introverts.

social group

Normies and a Chad. No neckbeards and the like.

[–]NabroleonBonaparte 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They told you you look like a murderer? I only ask that because a lesson I had to learn was that no matter what way I projected myself (or thought I was) the other person could always interpret it differently. A reality is you could display behaviors that TRP declares as positive but in a certain setting you could be interpreted negatively. It's also possible that the girl liked that you looked like a murderer or liked you despite you looking like a murderer.

I meant vibe in the sense of how others felt you came off. You don't have to have fun for others to feel fun from your presence. For example, a person might be a depressing whiner but the people around him could enjoy his presence because they use his misery to feel good about themselves. That's why it's important to surround yourself with others that have similar goals and feel validated by having a successful group which would encourage you to improve.

The introvert comment is a limiting belief. It may be that introverts aren't statistically successful in that environment, but if you are in that environment you need to act as if that statement is false in order to orchestrate a reality where you end up succeeding. Or you must take control and restrict yourself to situations where introverts are more successful.

Using words like normie gives me the impression that you might hang with people that aren't considered by most to be social/popular. I say this from my understanding of demographics and how people of certain demographics share similar beliefs and behaviors, and that normie is a word used by people who spend a lot of time online.

The takeaway from this reply is to look inward to observe your identity and question your perception of it. It's what Buddhism is aiming for when it says to eliminate your ego. When you change your behaviors and how you identify with them, and hold conviction in the belief that you can do anything with what you have, your beliefs become true

[–]Monkey_Jerk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They told you you look like a murderer?

No, I had a scowl on my face and the girl stopped me as I was walking by to ask why I was mad.

liked you despite you looking like a murderer.

This is it. It's all about the face. She was the rare exception that liked the way I look. The guy I originally replied to admits to having women checking him out despite being 5'8 120lbs yet he plays it down by saying he's mediocre. Mediocre guys don't get checked out or approached. They like his face.

RE: the normie/chad comment

Yes I spend a lot of time online after becoming a loner/recluse. My experiences are all from 5-10 years ago before these terms existed and my use of them don't reflect on my (former) social circle at all. Most of them are normal functioning people who are now married and having children which is why I drifted apart from most of them because I turned out odd.

Thanks but I'm not seeking advice on this subject anymore. I came across this post because it was on my home page and it intrigued me.

[–]2littleblacktruck 18 points19 points  (6 children)

I'll give two examples to illustrate.. I was sitting and the bar, minding my own business, watching the game and around the corner two girls (mid-30s, one blonde 5 and a brunette 7) kept catching looks at me as they were talking. I gave a grin, a nod, and just raised my beer to them. That's all. A couple minutes later, they got up and sat right next to me. I said to the 7, "Was the dj too loud on that side of the bar or did you just want to sit next to a good-looking guy?" She giggled and was about to say something, but I stuck my hand out for a shake and said, "I'm [littleblacktruck]." before she could respond. Small talk, numbers exchanged, fucked her after a date four days later. Another time, I seen two guys chatting up a woman (solid 8) with their backs to me and caught her looking over their shoulder at me. The guys were mid to late 20s and the girl turned out to be my age, but certainly didn't look it. I got up, walked into the middle of their conversation, leaned in so just she could hear me. I said "In here it's customary to buy the best looking guy in the place a beer. I'll take a Heineken." I calmly walked away before they could react. Five minutes later she walked up and handed me a Heineken. We had a couple month long fling. It wasn't difficult. I was just being funny, I thought. Don't think, just talk. Average can get laid.

[–]iamneptuno 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If you are catching stares and getting approached, that means you are above average. You just have a handsome face and deny it for ego reasons.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The kids and tall guys can't comprehend the game you achieve by 40 when you're not tall but want to get laid often. It gets where its easy, almost too easy.

[–]iamneptuno 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What game, sport? Females throw themselves at him before he opens his mouth to perform some cheesy lines.

[–]Monkey_Jerk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These guys and their "game". Game is nothing more than approaching, women finding you physically attractive, having basic social skills and escalating. The less attractive you are the more women you need to approach until you find one who thinks you're good looking enough for her. Common sense really

[–]lopsidedlucky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

God that's awesome. Keep those examples coming. Refreshing to see someone who walks the walk.

One thing I clearly notice is older guys that are direct and confident blow it out of the water.

Women are tired of prancing insecure bullshit. They want men. Older guys that have internalized this kill it.

[–]aanarchist 6 points7 points  (4 children)

are these mid 30s to mid 40s women or 20s?

[–]2littleblacktruck 4 points5 points  (3 children)

25-45. I never seem to go older than 45. That's when they get freckled tits, serious lines in their forehead, and that weird loose under-chin thing. I've noticed the 25-30 year olds want money and the wine-and dine. I limit that nonsense, but it does happen if I'm in the mood and she asks the right way. The older ones tend to be more willing to cook for you, buy you beer, get you gifts... you know, actually do shit a man appreciates other than just fucking.

[–]aanarchist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

that's fucked up though it's like lady you could have had a man treat you like a queen if you did all this shit 20 years ago. it's too fucking late your value is in the toilet wasted on losers who didn't give a shit, and now you're trying to make up for your age by finally being a decent human being. do you just keep her around for company until you get bored or find someone else? part of me is like stay away from those women entirely nothing good can come of it, i can never have any sort of respect for her and i know her games and don't really want to partake in them.

[–]Juju8901 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My mother made me feel this way about pretty much all women.

[–]DeathToTheZog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Goddamn those chest freckles. Goddamn mental image burned into brain! With the old grisle nipples that grew extra large, and now look ultra meaty up close. Beef curtains that cover the span of your entire face, and weird lower muff region that has mutated into a bulbous lovecraftian nightmare.

[–]1Entropy-7 13 points14 points  (13 children)

No disrespect but an honest question: at 5'8" and 120 are you boning Hobbits or have you had some success with Viking shield maidens as well?

[–]Snazzy_Serval 10 points11 points  (1 child)

That sounds like a lot of disrespect.

[–]2littleblacktruck 26 points27 points  (8 children)

I don't know what the fuck that means. Speak like a socially functionable adult.

[–]1Entropy-7 3 points4 points  (6 children)

The English is complete and I want an answer. WTF is the problem?

[–]lopsidedlucky 12 points13 points  (5 children)

The problem is this guy is offering real world experience and advice that can change your game like you wouldn't believe and you try to disrespect him like a little yappy dog shits on the carpet. There's no need for it.

[–]InstantKarma706 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Means you're little aa FUCK

[–]RomanEgyptian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With respect, as a elder person, you have experience on your side. I'm nearing 30 and I feel experience of handling situations has helped me out a lot.

Maybe you've become so good at it, and learnt so much from experience, you don't realise it anymore whilst a lot of younger people are still learning and gaining experience.

[–]MonsterinNL1986 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BS! 8 out of 10? Girls wouldn't approach 10 out of 10 super good looking dudes even 1 out of 100 times, let alone you!

Just enough of these lies in TRP!

[–]ImHydeRightNow 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yea before I put any effort into it, it seemed like reliably once every 6 months I'd end up getting laid, usually once around Christmas and then another sometime in June or July. That's with literally 0 effort on my end, I didn't lift, didn't dress well, didn't go out. Once I was playing pit for a theater group and this girl literally grabbed my hand, walked me backstage, and made out with me. Zero effort on my part. She was my winter girl that year. My summer girl that year noticed I'd moved back to her area, texted me to see if I wanted to hang out, and ended up sleeping with me even though our "date" was awkward as fuck. This was my routine for like 4 years, then I got tired of only getting laid once every six months lol

[–]KV-n 7 points8 points  (3 children)

congrats for being attractive.

[–]ImHydeRightNow 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Ehh I've got a really weirdly shaped face. It's symmetrical and I have bright blue eyes and a great smile, but the weird shape face keeps me at like a 6-7 tops. Back then though I had a bad haircut, acne, no fashion sense, and I wasn't lifting. I was a 4 on a good day.

I play guitar, piano and saxophone and I play them well, that was always what won girls over.

[–]CQC3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I play guitar, piano and saxophone and I play them well

There you go, was waiting for something like that. Skills to pay the bills my friend. Playing instruments alone is incredibly attractive to women for whatever reason.

I can't help but notice that women are really attracted to feats of dexterity even outside of sports. Haha, good luck explaining to bitches how fast you can 1tap in CSGO though. Hahahaha.

[–]ImHydeRightNow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yuppp playing instruments (well) is a HUGE game changer.

[–]KumonRoguing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even if they're just an average dude, I'd they go out and meet people it should be pretty frequent.

[–]DadOnDabs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True it's not too hard if your moderately attractive. Went from a 3 year dry spell to a new plate swapped out every month. You just have to put in some effort and change your mindset.

[–]Polar1zing 36 points37 points  (30 children)

What I want to add to this is that those average guys should actually escalate as well, a point many guys seem to oversee. Most of them just spend the whole evening at a party talking to a girl while not actually trying anything. She might be into him but he just never escalates so he won't ever find out.

[–]couid 13 points14 points  (29 children)

How does one escalate to the physical stuff?

[–]vic_rattle18 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Put your arm around her and kiss her...nothing to it. Only difficult part about escalating is getting the balls to do it. Remember, it's your job to escalate, her job to be receptive to it. If you escalate and she doesn't as well, disregard her and find a new one.

[–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes she might reject your kiss but do it because she was nervous or there were too many people around, among other stupid reasons.

I wouldn't consider it completely lost if a girl rejects a kiss, just smile and move on like you said but don't lose hope.

[–]NabroleonBonaparte 53 points54 points  (10 children)

You just do it.

It sounds like worthless advice but my experience told me that all that theory and escalation ladder shit is overly analytical.

Here's two scenarios I've done:

1)Having apartment party, drunk and making corny ass jokes. Chick I just met thinks I'm way more hilarious than I actually am and gives me a shoulder punch. I grab her hand and start heading towards the bathroom. She giggles and says no so we walk back. 1min later I repeat and she comes with me. Receive blowjob.

2)At bar, drunk and approaching girls to rub my crotch against to some sick tunes. Find girl and start grinding. Place my hands on her inner thighs, occasionally grab her crotch. Don't get stopped. Put my hands on girls waistband and tuck thumbs in her panties. Don't get stopped. Put hand down pants and start fingering her. Don't get stopped. Depending on how late in the night it is. I either bring her into my group while continuing to hookup then fuck after everyone leaves or we immediately head to someone's place to fuck.

Number 2 is my signature move. If I manage to get my thumbs tucked in her panties it's a 85% chance I'm fucking that night assuming logistics are perfect.

A girl that wants to fuck you will not stop you. If she does, she isn't interested (either because she will never want you or because you need to build more comfort or attraction). I use a 3-strike escalation rule before I head off to hit on other chicks

Edit: LOL to the downvoters with such a fucked up self-image that they can't imagine women actually WANTING to fuck them. I love the negative feedback, it means I've improved and no longer have anything in common with you

[–]heartbroken_nerd 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Enjoyable read and most likely a great piece of advice/tactic for me to try out and apply in my game. Anything can work so gotta try. Thanks!

[–]NabroleonBonaparte 2 points3 points  (1 child)

No problem, good luck out there!

Once you take action and experience success you'll look back and realize just how false your current self-perception is and how high your value really is

[–]fromthecrypt8 6 points7 points  (0 children)

So true. I have experienced this first hand in other areas than with women, and it is a real feeling. The line between major success and the false perceptions that hold you back is often very thin.

[–]1whatsazipper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha. I also find 2 as my regular, except instead of at bars, at music events I go to.

When logistics aren't on my side and if I have some friends who haven't been getting action, I occasionally pass the girl around. It turns out plenty of women who are receptive to getting finger banged on short notice also are open to the thought of a gangbang (although I've never actually taken it that far -- to actual group sex -- I presume if a girl doesn't mind being passed around it must be a scenario she's played in her head).

[–]1Entropy-7 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Hand on hand, hand on elbow, hand on shoulder, hand on back, hand on knee, hand on thigh, hand on. . .

Just make it natural transitions as part of the conversation.

There are a few cheezier and more aggressive ploys as part of 201.

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[–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I basically gave them to you but there is more out there.

I am a bit of a weirdo in that I work online and tend to go from "Hey, how are you?" to "Fuck the shit out of me you bastard!" at light speed.

[–]lusdee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Touch her in a playful way, gauge her reaction. She will tell you she enjoyed it by smiling and look into her eyes. Once she's comfortable with you touching her go in for it or ask her to join you somewhere else.

[–]Peter_B_Long 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Last 2 times I escalated.

• Met some chick at a bar in the line for the restroom. I teased on how drunk she was and that she should drink water. I told her that if she drank water, I would dance with her. I saw her later and asked if she drank water, she said yes, and I just started dancing with her. This one was less risky because she was giving me fuck me eyes so I just danced closer and closer to her until I just kissed her and we were making out.

• Made eye contact a few times with a girl at a club. I approached her, asked if she wanted to dance, we started dancing. I was asking her questions for screening and pretty much after each song I would escalate. The next song I grabbed her hands, then after I grabbed her hips and pulled her close. I was trying to escalate to kissing her but she had her head down. Unfortunately she was with her mom and aunt so that's probably why she didn't want to kiss, but I got her number.

Anyways, in both of these times, I was confident in what I was doing. I was focusing on having a good time, teasing, and I always keep in mind that if I escalate and a girl rejects me, she just did me a favor by not wasting my time. In the club with the girl with her mom and aunt, I had approached a group that had a girl in a tight red dress. The girls gave me a really weird look and ignored me and one of them shushed me away with her hand lol. It stung a little but I just focused on having fun and I was just glad for approaching a group and not just standing in the corner of the club.

[–]noface003 points points [recovered]

Imagine that you are a man so you are the absolute greatest thing in the world. She's a woman and so she is less than you, which is of course why you want to protect her and take care of her. Because she's like a dog or your little sister. Smile at her, she's just goofing, and touch her. Her body belongs to you after all. You can touch your own shit.

Here's my tip for this shit. Use online dating to go out with a ton of the fat ugly single moms that now infest and have destroyed online dating. And escalate with them. Get predrunk, but only a little bit. You'll prob end up fucking some of that trash. But the goal is to use them to learn game and to learn to escalate. Awalt applies here. You escalate the same with them all.

[–]Awkward_Hippo 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Ok man, you definitely need a different mindset. Just because they may not be as hot as your standards, or that they're overweight, or that they're single mums, doesn't mean they're trash. And treating them as if they're trash, dogs or little sisters (fucking weird comparison dude) with only one intention, fucking men, you won't get very far at all, as women can sense that judgement from a mile away. I don't know why you feel the need to apply this false persona on reddit, because I doubt you get laid very often, and I also doubt anyone here on TRP wants advice from someone who believes treating women like trash will get them laid. Because trust me, it won't.

[–]Enjoythings 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Fucking laughing so hard right now 😂

[–]noface003 points points [recovered]

Yeah it will. I mean with the actual hot girls that I actually want to fuck treating them like trash is a prerequisite. Now for a lonely hippo like yourself? I mean dream on.

[–]lopsidedlucky 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You're absolutely right. Rollo and many of the EC's preach to treat women like little sisters or dogs. There's a lot of white knights on here downvoting you and trying to white wash TRP. We need another purge.

[–]Awkward_Hippo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If a man is struggling to attract women, "preaching" to him that he must treat them like "little sisters" or "dogs" WILL NOT HELP. I have been on this subreddit for a while now, and I know that this isn't what the TRP is about. You want to know how to attract the hordes? Check this out: http://archive.is/lNFHh. Disagree with me sure, but I strongly believe that there is no way a man will get laid often (or at all!) with that attitude, and I know this from experience. I have never particularly approached women with that attitude (as I've seen it's unsuccessful) but I HAVE seen my male friends and co-workers do so, and wow is it a cringe fest. Deluded, wannabe macho men (not all my friends are like this lol) turned down left right and centre and labelled as creeps and weirdos for their obsessive and threatening nature. Sure, being a true dominant male can be attractive, but that's not what your promoting. What you're promoting is ridiculous, and I repeat: IT WONT GET YOU LAID UNLESS THE GIRL IS A FUCKING HOOKER.

[–]lopsidedlucky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're not kidding anyone here. Treating them like little sisters is preached on here and yes, this tactic leads to plenty of lays.

For you to start shaming women that like this treatment as "HOOKERS" is tantamount to concern trolling. Now maybe you're not understanding what people are saying here. You don't treat little sisters or dogs like shit but, they are lesser and treat them as such and care for them as such.

You're white knight leanings are really pushing you here. No one is talking about creepy deluded weirdos. If you're trying to categorize TRP that way then you're on the wrong sub.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I think for most men the bitterness is from coming to terms with hypergamy, i.e. you're always going to date down.

For most of our lives, and as part of the BP conditioning for being a member of society, there's a baseline expectation of "fairness."

But the point of fairness is that it is unnatural. It is a made-up man-made concept. So when the true nature of things plays out, where the powerful win and the weak lose, that's when the BP conditioning starts to crumble.

Most men would be perfectly happy fucking a woman who is equal to him in SMV. But the average looking dudes, the 5,6,7s, are simply unhappy that 80% of their options for getting laid are the 3,4,5s of the female world and their discontentment is really a feeling of being shortchanged.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 32 points33 points  (6 children)

This post serves as an important reminder that going into "monk mode" and hitting the gym and reading books for six months is stupid. While growing muscles and learning shit and developing hobbies and skills is very important, developing yourself socially is also every bit as important, if not moreso. Going out and gaming girls is developing your social muscle the same way squats develop your quads, and refusing to do this simply because your quads aren't massive yet is shooting yourself in the foot.

Guys should be gaming girls all the time. Not just weekends at the bar or club, but all the time. You're in line at Starbucks? Put your fucking phone away and talk to the girl ahead of you. You're alone at a gathering place? Go ask some strangers to let you sit with them. Meet people all the time. Talk to people. If you're worried you're going to look awkward and retarded, guess what looks even MORE awkward and retarded -- standing around by yourself fucking with your cell phone and not talking to anybody.

However, if you're an "average" guy with great social skills, you're probably looking at getting laid by mediocre women, about once a month, for a lot of hard work gaming girls.

Which is fine. This is a HUGE improvement for many loser guys who started out being unable to get laid at all.

But the gym, the right clothes, the right haircut, actually being an interesting person, and awesome social skills instead of just passable ones will seriously up your odds. An average dude talking to girls will get blown off half the time, no matter how good his game is. And strung along maybe 25% of the time. That last 25% is the women he has a shot with. An above-average dude doesn't get blown off quite as often and has more opportunities.

All that said, keep in mind that most people are boring and live boring lives. And most people don't walk up and meet other people. So if you walk up and game that girl in the coffee shop this morning before she goes to work, that may well be the most interesting thing to happen to her today. You might be the high point of her day. Even if you're average. Because most dudes don't have the balls to game girls in coffee shops.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Just yesterday I saw this super hot chick (at Starbucks no less) with a NASA sticker on her computer, and while waiting for my venti Very Berry Hibiscus I started to talk to her. NASA sticker is an easy opener, right? She was really nice, big smile, she told me what she does, whatever, but as soon as we got to swapping names I got my overpriced drink and then it was like "okay, nice to meet you, bye".

So talking to people is one thing, but how do you escalate from "hey, I'm just a guy looking for someone to talk to for a couple of minutes because I'm bored", which I pretty much have down, to "hey, I think you're attractive and we should get a drink" when meeting random women in public?

Anyone is down for the first - you told me once, people lead boring lives just hoping someone comes along to change things up, so flirting with a barista or having a conversation with the grocer is totally normal. But hitting on random women and asking for their phone numbers is socially abnormal. It's weird, and makes a guy come off as a bit of a tool.

I love bantering with random people, and I'd be thrilled if someone approached me, which is how I justify approaching others. But I'd hardly want to see 99% of the people I talk to ever again, so it seems weird to put that pressure on them.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You should be busy. You should be the one ending the conversation at about the 10 minute mark because you have important shit to do, and asking for her number when you go.

The general roadmap is within the first 15-30 seconds, you know whether this girl is going to blow you off completely, give you two-word polite answers, is just making polite small-talk, or whether you have a chance. You spend the first 2 minutes having banal smalltalk about nothing, without scaring her off with personal questions or personal info. After about that long, she'll have either started asking you questions, showed interest in one of the inferential tidbits you inserted into the conversation, or dropped a hint for you to ask about her inferential tidbit. If not, she's just making polite smalltalk. You exchange some personal information in the context of fun stories until the 5-10 minute mark, then you have to go but ask for her number.

Once you had your drink with this one, and she said, "Okay nice talking bye", it was fully within your power to tell her that you enjoyed the conversation, too, and that you should have a drink some time, then ask for her number.

That's not socially abnormal. Guys do it all the time. Girls expect it. She can tell you no if she's not interested, and it's not embarrassing. You just say, no problem, have a good one, and move on with your busy day.

[–]1whatsazipper 5 points6 points  (1 child)

But hitting on random women and asking for their phone numbers is socially abnormal. It's weird, and makes a guy come off as a bit of a tool.

Not really. It's pretty normal to hit on women if you're a sexually active male.

How does one do it? Really, you just do it. It's not always comfortable, and there can be tension, but women who are receptive to the idea will give you their number. Not all of them will follow through, but enough will that it makes it worthwhile.

At first I used to really hesitate with this, but success taught me it's better to be shameless in this regard. Women are certainly not going to make a move, so if you see a cute girl in public you have to make a move, because you may never see her again.

[–]grewapair points points [recovered]

You have the wrong mindset. YOU are the prize, not her. YOU have an interesting life. She just pretends to have one on social media and otherwise does little else that's interesting. YOU can have a great life until you're 90 without someone of the opposite sex. She cannot.

You're doing her a favor by asking her for her number. If she can't see it, that makes her stupid, in addition to her other faults above, and she's just done you a favor by preselecting her dumbass life out of yours.

[–]drallcom3 points points [recovered]

Getting laid is generally easy. You just have to lower your standards.

When you're 5/10 you can surely get a 4/10 on the third date, a 3/10 on the same day and you can invite a 2/10 straight to your place. You should actually do this, if only it's to get some abundance mentality and being disgusted enough that you want to improve yourself.

Oh and the average guy is a 5/10 and will never score a 7/10.

[–]SilverGryphon 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I have saying the same thing but it seems people don't want to hear the truth. Sometimes the only problem is standards which are too high. I'm an average guy and I had 4's and 3's at work throw themselves at me, with zero effort from my side. One SMV 3 straight up asked me for sex and got mad when I turned her down.

[–]drallcom3 points points [recovered]

Setting 7 as your minimum is going to result in failure for 95% here.

On the other hand men constantly lie when they say they had a 7+ in bed. It's maybe a 7 in their available pool and the majority would rate her way lower.

[–]SilverGryphon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They lie to look cool in here and get their karma.

[–]CQC3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well, I think most guys can evaluate with good accuracy an 8+ chick, but personal preference can play huge role in adding or subtracting points.

Certain looks for girls can increase or decrease their personal SMV with you. So a girl might objectively be average or a little above average, but if you happen to find her style and features particularly attractive to you, then you're gaming what you believe to be a 7 or 8 but is generally considered a 5 or 6.

The HB scale is fun, but obviously incredibly subjective. Sometimes it's a total miss. Like people say Rihanna is attractive, I think that bitch looks like Kermit the frog.

[–]EminemLovesGrapes points points [recovered]

80/20 rule right?

I'd say the average guy is a 6/7 and will never score a 6... Or a 7. Only a 5 or lower.

[–]itsawomensworld 61 points62 points  (30 children)

Why get laid if it's sub 7?

People really overrate the value of sex. Sex doesn't feel that good. And going after a bunch of sixes or something below your threshold won't make you happy.

Having said that, if you are happy banging 6s then go ahead.

[–]DSetupDTitleDMenu 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ideally, I'd go for chicks with slightly lower SMV than mine. If your SMV is above a girl's, they'll do more to please you.

Then again, punching above your weight and landing all the shots is a helluva feeling.

[–]acetylcysteine 46 points47 points  (23 children)

Sex doesn't feel that good? You're clearly doing something wrong

[–]redcolour 31 points32 points  (17 children)

I think what he meant was that having sex often doesn't feel good when you are with a bunch of 6s. Quantity < Quality.

[–]Phoenixtorment 10 points11 points  (1 child)

No, I think he meant sex is overrated, as in it is not as good as you imagined it would be in your puberty. The end all be all of life. And once you have done it regulary it becomes pretty normal. The chase/anticipation for sex has a bigger impact than actually having it at that point. But this is a tricky subject,because you get hurr duur you are not doing something right, something is wrong with you. The point is, it is not as good as to obsess over it and drop other things in your life. I think it's a healthy mindset, it makes you have more control over your life, and also women will have less.

[–]itsawomensworld 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes exactly. Making sex the be all and end all is very unhealthy and makes women have all the power.

If when I had sex it was so amazing then maybe I could see that mindset but it wasn't. It was very good and enjoyable , but I'm not going to compromise other values for it.

[–]acetylcysteine 19 points20 points  (14 children)

That still doesn't make sense. The good feelings experienced through sex are brought on by more than just physical attractiveness. The vagina of a 6 is the same as a vagina of a 10. The only thing changing is the aesthetics. And FYI sex with 6's is more often better than a 10 because they try harder

[–]hawkeaglejesus 16 points17 points  (4 children)

The vagina of a 6 is the same as a vagina of a 10.

By that argument a vagina of a 1 is the same as the vagina of a 10. Does that mean you're going to stop picking up 21 year olds and start daygaming at the retirement home?

It's not about the vagina. It's about who it's attached to.

Driving a brand new Ferrari is a different experience than driving a '92 Civic. Even if on the inside they operate on the same principles.

[–]redcolour 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I understand that man, but sex is the end game when we go through all the loops and hoops. It still feels better to f close with a 10 than a 6 because it is objectively harder to bed a higher value woman.

[–]Yankee_Fever 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The feeling of sex depends on your arousal level.

[–]rockytheboxer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you close your eyes vaginas by and large feel the same. But for me, and most men, sex is a visual treat too. Or it should be.

[–]itsawomensworld points points [recovered]

If women can talk about how sex feels better with a vibrator. Clearly my hardest orgasms are through masturbation.

Having said that, my sexual experiences were great and better than this. An orgasm is just on aspect of sex. But also saying that, I'm not going to compromise my standards to get it. I'd rather not have sex then have sex with a woman I don't enjoy being with and that I don't find attractive.

[–]acetylcysteine 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's fair. But sometimes people can be turned on by more than the appearance, physical attractiveness isn't everything. And you may have good chemistry with the person sexually, so you don't know till you try.

[–]itsawomensworld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, I never said There aren't preferences.

Some people love steak some hate it. If you enjoy banging a fat girl the same as a fit one then why stop doing it?

[–]abcce1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It really doesn't. Not sure if I'm psychologically fucked up but I'm literally disgusted by bitches 4s and under. Disgusted. I'd rather stick my dick in a fucking blender than touch a chubby butterface bitch. Even with luck when I pull a 6+ sex isn't that great. I do it to show off.

[–]4skinlicker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

People really overrate the value of sex. Sex doesn't feel that good.

Let me make the conclusion

[–]1Harry_Wangs[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I personally don't go after 6s. All I'm saying is the average guy can at least bag 6s and 7s fairly easily.

Also he shouldn't complain about 8s-10s rejecting him, because he's batting above his league. He can still succeed, but it will be harder.

Personally I target 7s-9s (never seen a 10, ever). I am above average, but if I were to try for 9s I would get rejected much more and I'm fine with that because I'm not a 9 myself.

[–]abcce1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

THIS!!! lmao I don't know if this is the philosophy of TRP but sex itself isn't the reward or determinant of success. Nigga going by OP of this thread I'm successful if I just accept to sleep below my threshold and technically im "successful" or "get bitches" because I sleep with 3 and 4s daily? Sex doesn't mean jack shit. If that was the case I don't need red pill bull shit because 2s 3s and 4s you don't need game they literally ask you to fuck. If this was the case I know a bunch of little beta cucks who get laid every day and is never out of a relationship and tell me they get bitches but all their girlfriends are 3s. FUck out of here with this. It's more than sex it's the trophy. At least to me. I have deliberately dried myself because I don't fuck anything below a 5. I'm not good looking. I get laid once a year and if I don't lose frame I get them consistently in a relationship. But when I do they are at least 7s, fuck if you think i'm exaggerating or not. I don't need any of this bullshit forum if I needed you to come tell me to sleep with 3s. Ya'll are fucking stupid.

[–]1Harry_Wangs[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

One thing I'd like to add:

most girls are willing to go on dates with guys they just feel "okay" about, even more attractive ones. As long as you don't give off needy or desperate vibes. You'd be surprised how bored single girls are, ready to go on a casual dates with guys. I plan super casual short things for my dates (and also don't call them dates, too much pressure for girls) with a few other activities to make them longer after they are already out with me.

Just keep dates casual and fun, you'd be surprised how easy it is to set them up. They might not even be that into you when the date starts. But if you be a man, escalate, use a little bit of charm, find a way to get them back to your place, you'd be surprised with your success.

It's hilarious going on tinder dates with girls taller than me and seeing their disappointment. No worries, keep spending time, be fun, lead them slowly back to your place, etc....

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

exactly what "casual short things?"

[–]yomo86 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The sentiment is true. Here comes the but. Your equation on getting laid or to be a better human being is based on circumstances you cannot really change namely time, and occasion.

Chad will never worry about timing. The girl comes over when he so desires and is down for the most depraved kinks. Some plates of mine behaved that way. The occasions for getting laid are always there when you passed a certain SMV threshold. Being mediocre means only being expandable.

[–]kevincash158 28 points29 points  (5 children)

The goal of this sub's readers (at least me) is certainly not to accept, but in fact disdain, mediocrity.

[–]1Harry_Wangs[S] 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Agreed. My point is simply that from a sexual perspective being average is enough and that women don't have that unreasonable standards. Mindset more than looks holds most men back.

If you are above average it's going to be easier. For me, If I am in social setting, I usually don't even have to make the first move

[–]fromthecrypt8 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I have to say great post because I really feel the point about women not having to accept mediocrity any more than we do. A hot quality babe is well in her right to only wanna fuck hot quality guys. It is up to us to become that hot quality guy if we wanna fuck HB7+. A post that changed something in me was the one on here about providing quality and positivity to other people, including the woman you wanna bang. I think this will do more for any guy's game than focusing too much on manipulation tacs or general PUA stuff. If you manage to add positivity to a woman's experience, whether at a club or elsewhere, and stay sexual/escalate in the process, you will get laid. I struggle with this as I have my own issues to work through, but at least I am finally seeing what needs to be done.

[–]reditters 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Can you link that post? I remember reading it a while back but don't remember what it was titled

[–]1grogbottle 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Some observations.

  • You've hit on the fact that being attractive does not simply arise from self-improvement. You have to practice being attractive. Approaching women every weekend will train you to use charm to make up for everything else.

  • Success rate with 6-7 and 9-10 girls is roughly the same. It's up to how you pull it off. Just go for the ones that are your type, don't shit where you eat, keep your dick out of crazy, and keep at it.

  • Self-improvement helps greatly once you know how to use the resources it puts at your fingertips. Know how to use your looks, achievements, interests and hobbies etc. to be charming.

[–]En-Zu 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Interested in "type."

A lot of guys would, including me, would describe themselves as "nerdy."

I mean I work out and I try to socialize etc but I still play magic & read a ton for hobbies etc.

So what there seems to be is a disparity in "types" among gender where you see some cultures being not evenly distributed through across sexes.

[–]1Harry_Wangs[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

You sound introverted. I think extroverts generally have it easier. But if you want, work on your one-on-one skills with people, not just girls. Socialize in small settings where your charm can come through, or ideally alone with the girl.

[–]En-Zu 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I guess what you're saying is that there are two "types" that matter, extrovert and introvert, and they are equally distributed by gender and that extroverts have an easier time finding similar folks just due to the nature of it.

Certainly cross dating across these types happens though.

[–]1Harry_Wangs[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess I didn't convey my thoughts clearly. I just meant introverted people can often times perform better in small group settings than extroverts. If you are introverted, use the small groups to your advantage.

I'm introverted (but not shy) and if I'm alone with a girl, even if its not a date there is a big chance she will become attracted. Its a humble brag problem for me because every time I think I've made a genuine female friend, they end up attracted to me. Generally, I am better than most extroverts in this regard, but I am not so great at parties/clubs. Still, I try to push my comfort zone.

That said introvert =/= automatically good one-on-one, and extrovert =/= they kill it at parties. Being a fun, interesting, and masculine (mentally) guy is more important.

[–]Lesic 6 points7 points  (2 children)

No. Average dude can score with 2/10 and 3/10 tier girls with normal effort. If you want a girl your own level you have to put in more effort. That is the current state of things. That effort is better spent on making you're self above average. Especially so for dudes that have the potential to be 8/10 or higher.

[–]Andrea-Amilcare 3 points4 points  (1 child)

OP makes a great point. Having a great body and your style in check will put you ahead of the pack but you're still going to have to put in work. Getting laid is a numbers game, it's a matter of finding the girls that are down to fuck. To find those, you have to approach.

Picture an average guy who approaches 50 girls in a month and a better looking guy who approaches 5. Who do you think will get laid more often? You can't cheat the system, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN WORK.

[–]blackedoutfast 1 point2 points  (2 children)

very true. it always blows my mind when i'm at a party or club and 90% of the dudes are just standing doing nothing and then wonder why they have trouble with girls.

in terms of appearance girls have a threshold for fuckability and if you're uglier than that there's nothing you can do. and there's also a threshold for hotness, where a girl will do most of the work and you just need to not fuck it up. but if you're closer to that minimum level of fuckability, you need to have very good game if you actually want to get laid. (when i say game i'm not referrring to just PUA "Game" but all the non-physical-apperance-based factors of SMV: social status, attitude, etc)

the threshold for absolutely unfuckable is very low, and the threshold for that absolutely fuckable Chad the underwear model type of hotness is very high. the vast majority of guys fall inbetween. they are fuckable, but if they want to fuck they MUST use some game too.

it doesn't work this way in reverse. we see girls and can rate them in terms of attractiveness, but they are either fuckable or unfuckable. but that's because girls don't need game.

if a guy sees a girl and ever thinks "hmm maybe" that's really a relfection of the guy not being sure if the expected amount of work required outweighs the reward. in a hypothetical situation where girls are completely DTF, no strings attached, no consequences, zero work required, you could judge all girls as either fuckable or unfuckable and no maybes based on physical appearance alone.

this causes a problem because a lot of guys think girls operate in the same way. if they're not hot enough to be at the really hot level where girls are DTF and approaching them based on appearance alone, they assume that means they're below the line and completely unfuckable.

in reality, only a tiny percentage of the male population is truly unfuckable based on appearance alone. legit midgets get laid. guys with no arms and legs get laid. unless you have a serious deformity or weigh like 600 lbs you're not completely unfuckable.

if all those other guys who wrongly think they are unfuckable develop some confidence and social competence and start actually approaching and escalating with girls, they will start getting laid more. a lot more.

but what usually happense their lack of success (which they wrongly attribute to unchangeable factors like appearance) gives them even more insecurities and anxiety, which creates a feedback loop of less and less success.

[–]CQC3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is a pretty sensible post.

On one hand, I think many guys lose options because they simply don't try enough.

On the other hand you're saying the line for unfuckable is very low, while yeah...that's true...I mean, who are we talking about fucking here? Saying most guys can get laid if they just try is sort of bypassing the question of "by who?" I mean what do these women look like?

I've known a lot of guys who were sexually frustrated and you could easily divide them up by guys who wanted to fuck something and couldn't and guys who didn't want to fuck what was available.

I think the biggest barrier for most guys getting laid is merely access to women. If you're not able to meet women through some social group or something that puts you in contact with others, then you're going to have a big hurdle to jump going from incelhood to cold approaching babes.

[–]blackedoutfast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saying most guys can get laid if they just try is sort of bypassing the question of "by who?" I mean what do these women look like?

all types of girls. it's not a simple matter of 3/10 guys can get 3/10 girls, and 8/10 guys can get 8/10 girls.

in my experience, hot girls don't really have a significantly higher minimum threshold for appearance-based fuckability than ugly girls. it's actually the mediocre girls who seem to place the most emphasis on a guy's looks. some relatively ugly guys who have amazing game, lots of social status, and all that other stuff can have better results with hot girls than they do with the average or below girls.

there's also a lot more variability in what women find attractive or unattractive. if you get a group of guy and ask each of them to rank a group of girls in terms of physical attractiveness, they will all rank the girls in a pretty similar order. but if you do the reverse, the girls' ranking of the guys will be all over the place. it's especially true for the guys at the extremes. example: some girls will basically fetishize roided out pro-bodybuilder types and be disgusted by very skinny punk rock or emo types, and other girls are the exact opposite.

I think the biggest barrier for most guys getting laid is merely access to women.

unless you live in an very isolated small town, it's not hard to find attractive single women. they are in bars, clubs, parties, festivals, starbucks, shopping, walking down the sidewalk, pretty much everywhere. but you do have to go out and find them and approach them. unless you are at that very high Chad level of physical attractiveness, you can't just sit back and wait on girls to find you and start hitting on you.

meet women through some social group

social circle game can be extremely effective, but only if you actually use social circle game. you shouldn't just passively sit in a social circle like a beta dork hoping some girl in the same social circle will fall on your dick. the point of social circle game is to maximize your effectiveness and have better results for your effort, NOT to eliminate the need to approach or use game.

if you develop your social circle skills and actively use them, it can be incredible. but it doesn't just happen automatically. you still have to approach girls in your social circle and escalate and all that stuff. if you get anxiety over cold opening random club girls because you are afraid of rejection and being embarassed in front of strangers, it's going to be even harder to do it right in a social circle since it's possible totally fuck up your whole reputation instead.

if you're passive in a social circle, it's very easy to fall into the friendzone/oneitis. you're also going to end up fighting over scraps with the rest of the passive betas at the edge of the social circle. the alpha guy with good game and lots of confidence will be fucking all the hot girls in the social group, you'll mostly just end up with dumpy girls and fat friends. I guess that's better than complete inceldom, but come on just grow some balls and get over the approach anxiety.

[–]clme 10 points11 points  (21 children)

What's your solution for the 50% of the male population who are, by statistical definition, BELOW average? Go jump off a cliff?

[–]no_face 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Videogames, porn, beer, cheetos ...etc

[–]lordperzeval 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Work hard and make lots of money

In the words of Jay Z

"Ain't no such thing as an ugly billionaire, I'm cute."

[–]iamneptuno 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here in my garage, just bought this billion dollars.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Exactly. I'm 5'5.

I seriously doubt that I'm average simply because I'm short.

Also I do absolutely horrible with women. I haven't even kissed a woman in almost two years yet I'm always being rejected.

Seems like there's no fucking hope.

[–]glenthedog 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm an inch taller but I do fine. You just gotta compensate with several things.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How are you compensating for your height?

[–]iamneptuno 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With a symmetrical face. Duh.

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[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I go for girls pretty much in the same height range but they all turn me down.

How would you describe his vibe or personality?

Would you know if he always did well with women?

I know I need to improve the overall vibe I'm giving, but how do I do that when I'm constantly striking out? I'm pretty sure women can tell that I'm unhappy and it turns them off. It's a negative feedback loop. If I started getting laid I'd be happier and then I'd start getting more women and so on.

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[–]Snazzy_Serval 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very interesting, so he basically changed his personality. That is encouraging. I need a DGAF mentality because I seriously care way too damn much.

Thanks for the suggestions.

I'm actually very aware of how I talk and know that it's a huge weakness of mine. Mainly my tone of voice and that I talk too fast thanks to my speech impediment. Just one more thing I need to overcome. Thankfully I don't have any "ums" or "likes."

Yeah sure, I'll do the no fap thing. Nothing to lose.

I've had a couple retail sales job. Doesn't really mesh with my personality, though yes I know that dating is pretty much sales. I just didn't like trying to sell a product that I knew nobody needed.

Right now I'm trying to sell myself to women. But they don't even want the free samples.

[–]OneU -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

They are below the median, not necessarily the average.

[–]Torabor64 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Atractiveness is a normal distribution, so the average is the median, smartass.

[–]OneU 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It's not for men: https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0f1561e

So that inference (normal distribution and, therefore, 50% are below average) is wrong because the premise is plain false, smartass.

[–]Torabor64 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This page doesn't show that atractiveness isn't normal. It shows that women are entitled when online dating and think that they deserve only the best.

[–]iamneptuno 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are exactly the same in real life.

[–]hermit087 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I think the "average" guy being described in this post is not actually average. And if you are chasing chubby chicks and single moms, its not really "getting laid".

[–]futmut 3 points4 points  (1 child)

While i agree that you can get laid even if you are average looking thats not the whole story thought...

You need good social skills to get laid, and you wont have them unless you practice a lot...

Women has extremely high expectations...Cant count the number of times fat obese whales with an ugly face would reject me from the beginning despite me being fit, muscular and definitely at least average...

Im talking about girls rated barely 3 which rejects guys which are 6+...Thats the whole point that some of you dummies fail to understand...

This doesnt mean average guys cant get laid, but the game is pretty broken nonetheless...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with this. Game is a game that everyone can win. People equate it to money/business but it's not the same. In Game, I can go out on Friday, bang an 8, then you go out on Saturday and bang the same 8, and we both end up feeling like champs. We can't both own the same dollar though.

Since Game is something everyone can win, the average guy can get laid. It isn't winner take all. Although this post slightly underestimates the difficulty of learning Game in the first place. If you're an average guy who has done over 200 daygame approaches and nightgame approaches, then yeah sure. But as veterans we forget how hard it is to do those first approaches.

[–]pentakiller19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post! I've had girls initiate with me numerous times, I don't think I'm fairly attractive...maybe a 6. But I'm so socially inept I can never turn it into anything :( The hardest part of TRP for me is being social. I'm naturally introverted with lacking self-esteem so I shoot myself down despite noticing how people gravitate towards me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Not if you're a POC. It's still possible, but you've gotta bring at least 110% to the table

[–]pentakiller19 1 point2 points  (1 child)

From my experience, being a PoC has it's advantages and disadvantages. I have so many black friends that have just straight up stole chicks from other guys it's amazing. Chicks don't care about race if your game is on point.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Depends on the area. It may not apply to black guys as much but definitively to others.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)


What the OP likely doesn't realize is that the extroverted nature which he likely possesses and his general lack of "awe" towards women actually makes him somewhat of a "Natural Alpha".


  • He doesn't realize how absolutely fucked up in the head the default Blue Pill beta male actually is.


The observation is correct.

Women don't require perfection in your body.

However, the absolute disgust women have for Blue Pill addicted "emotional addicts to introversion and doubt" is the primary thing destroying any chance of attraction.


  • Kill the Beta... women will thank you for it because they hate that too.


(they actually hate it more than we do)


[–]swordshab points points [recovered]

What if u still live at home

[–]jairothevaca 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, the op does says that you need good logistics.

[–]Jazzy_Punkman 7 points8 points  (1 child)

What if you don't have a job? What if you don't have a car? What if..? Fuck that!

I'm totally with OP on this one. Always improve your situation and work on yourself, go monk mode if you have to, but never go down that road that you first need to have X before approaching women. You are a man and that is all you need to get laid. Everything else will just increase your chances.

You can have plenty of sex with plenty of women before they even know one bit about your life.

[–]2littleblacktruck 11 points12 points  (2 children)

You might as well just said, "What if I see with my eyes" or "What if I walk with my legs" Yes, home is where you live. What is your question?

[–]20119975 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Maybe he meant with his parents.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorBlacklabellogics 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing is, most men men and women view averages differently. I used a range of OKcupid and World in Data statistics for a blogpost I wrote a while back (http://wp.me/p78k8O-Bt) that showed that while men on OKcupid rank female so that it forms a normal distribution (Bell Curve). Meaning that the mean female attractiveness rating was 5. Women rank male attractiveness so that it forms a negative binomial distribution, meaning that for women 79.5% of men are below average, which validates the 80-20 hypergamy illustration.

While I agree with the fact that average men should be going out, approaching, socializing and meeting women. However, as I said in an earlier thread on here, picking the low hanging fruit, namely working out, watching your diet, getting a better haircut, dressing better and so on, is so easy that everyone should do that by default. Over time, such investments will help the man become above average, as nobody really wants to be mediocre.

[–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is a question of quality and quantity.

[–]jamesbwbevis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I generally agree, but I think the idea is if you're not happy with getting laid like the average man, then you need to have a way of doing better.

[–]Desadarius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Enough to get laid, but not laid as much as a chad. If you don't have chad looks, you are going to have to work for women, which is a pain in the ass itself. A lot of guys go MGTOW because of this.

[–]justgotalpha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wanna get laid without saying a word? Become a huge name celebrity i guarantee you wont have to say a word...DUHHHHH!!!!

[–]hugmeimlonely 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This might not work if you're Asian, sadly.

[–]MustNotFfff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP speaks the god damn truth. As an average guy, even I get to date/hookup with girls off tinder/okcupid, alone. I don't really go out much anymore, but even for me it's doable with some effort (even if it's just clicking/swiping).

[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I work out regularly and starting to get a decent body. I have a nice hair cut. I always make sure to look and smell good. Yet every girl I've approached has turned me down. I'm constantly being rejected by women I know who are single.

I'm 5'5. Could I be considered average?

So if I'm not average how far below average and what kind of women should I be shooting for?

[–]ajayhemant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing improves you better than real approach. You have to go to girls, take rejection and only that will change you. Period. Pick up is practical. Not every method will suit your personality. You have to take chances. Approaching 10 girls is 10x better than reading 100 books. People forget that they have innate ability to approach and get girls. They are men right. No animal is taught approaching. You have in you unless you go and discover your self. Ever got that aha moment while reading and pua book,wow I knew this or yes it should be like this. Friends you have it in you. Just believe in yourself. Books are guidelines and not gospel truth. Your truth might be different from my truth.

Secrets to modern women's heart http://amzn.in/0NpYtTg

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's amazing how logistics can influence your own confidence. Knowing your place is a 5min cab ride away and you live alone is great. Going out trying to find a girl and go back to her place ads a new dimension of difficulty and it plays on my confidence, I find.

[–]MyLittlePonyofDoom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Working on your social skills pays dividends in your professional life as well. Being a fun confident guy who can keep a girl laughing counts more than what you can squat.

[–]Swaggy_Mcswagson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm shy and I've accepted I'll die a virgin. Self improvement is only for me not to attract anyone else.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's weird because I always see hot women with average guys irl, I'm not seeing which women have bizarre standards for men but I do see a lot of guys in red pill style circles expecting hot 18 year olds to be on their dicks, even if they're 30+ years old and balding.

OP is right, you can be average and get laid. Anyone pretending otherwise is just trying to blame "society" instead of trying to work on their own social skills.

[–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure but were you ugly? short? broke? had no friends? no preselection?

All of these things matter as much as game does. Game is just a plus.

I always become suspicious of men telling its no big deal and that any other man can do it considering the reality we are in. These men are often delusional and either have traits that make them attractive or are lying to themselves.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can almost a guarantee, most average looking guys can at least get laid once a month (or much more) if they went out every weekend and actually approached women.

The literal cost and opportunity cost of going out every weekend to get laid 1 in 4 weekends is exorbitant, you'd be better off hiring whores unless you genuinely enjoy the "club" scene

[–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Define "average" There is no accepted definition

[–]SilverGryphon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can easily get laid if you have reasonable standards. Most men that complain about women having high standards are of a low standard themselves. If for example you are an SMV 4, you can't expect an SMV7 + to fall in love with you. You will have to first improve your appearance (if you can) before you can hit it with the high value women.

In my case the only thing holding me back is my high expectations. If I am willing to date women of my caliber I can have all the sex I need.

The only advantage men have over women is that the wall takes longer to hit them and even when it does, it is less brutal and more gradual over the years.

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