ScienceArticle: Scientists discover brain's neural switch for becoming an alpha male (self.TheRedPill)

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Scientists discover brain's neural switch for becoming an alpha male

Brash, brawny and keen to impose their will on anyone who enters their sphere of existence: the alpha male in action is unmistakable.

Now scientists claim to have pinpointed the biological root of domineering behaviour. New research has located a brain circuit that, when activated in mice, transformed timid individuals into bold alpha mice that almost always prevailed in aggressive social encounters.

In some cases, the social ranking of the subordinate mice soared after the scientists’ intervention, hinting that it might be possible to acquire “alphaness” simply by adopting the appropriate mental attitude. Or as Donald Trump might put it: “My whole life is about winning. I almost never lose.”

Prof Hailan Hu, a neuroscientist at Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, China, who led the work said: “We stimulate this brain region and we can make lower ranked mice move up the social ladder.”

The brain region, called the dorsal medial prefrontal cortex (dmPFC), was already known to light up during social interactions involving decisions about whether to be assertive or submissive with others. But brain imaging alone could not determine whether the circuit was ultimately controlling how people behave.

The latest findings answer the question, showing that when the circuit was artificially switched on, low-ranking mice were immediately emboldened. “It’s not aggressiveness per se,” Hu said. “It increases their perseverance, motivational drive, grit.”


[–]thewrightstuff88 266 points267 points  (64 children)

Sure, hope for recovering blue pills, but this will most likely be a stepping stone to further control men and perpetuate what society wants in a man (being able to control him by making him more submissive) instead of making a man better. Knowing the Chinese, they would probably use it for their military. Knowing the US, they would probably use it to create more submissive, beta men.

[–]perplexedm 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Knowing the feminists, they will want it first for girls and womyn.

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[–]sd4c 150 points151 points  (28 children)

They've already made huge strides in turning this brain region off by implementing female-majority educators, cubicle farms, surrogate achievement (video games), and by normalizing poor nutrition and chronic sleep debt.

[–]1dongpal 59 points60 points  (14 children)

+ porn, which makes your brain think everything you did was right while not doing anything really

[–]NoFapColdShower 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Little do they know, there's already a way to turn it on naturally. You just gotta pop a red pill.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can already hear the articles about "Toxic Masculinity" coming

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 9 points10 points  (26 children)

I did have a thought about "Unisols" when I read it, although the same thing that makes them more aggressive would also make them more difficult to control.

[–]Oz70NYC 12 points13 points  (25 children)

It also wouldn't make them better fighters. Speaking from experience being an 11 USMC vet, a hot headed grunt is more likely to get himself and/or his unit killed then one who has his wits about him.

[–]Questionnaire7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Maybe they shouldnt turn it on fully. Just a hair in those who need it

[–]-ATLAS-_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's what stims and "go pills" are for. Some things already hone the senses.

[–]-ATLAS-_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anger is predictable and sloppy.

[–]1sailorJery 0 points1 point  (21 children)

in armed conflict that makes sense, what about in hand to hand?

edit:yeah downvote for asking a question, you guys are retarded

[–]PhaedrusHunt 4 points5 points  (7 children)

That probably depends on training. All things equal agressiveness will help and usually determine the outcome of the fight. But in trained fighters being tactical is very important. A calm, measured tactician will almost always defeat a brawler.

[–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (6 children)

This. Given an opponent of equal size, if you've got the nerve to jab, it'll beat a hook to your face every single time. Sounds easy until a guy's trying to knock your block off with no gloves on.

Which is what training is for- creating automatic reflexes. I get angry, fake jab then double-leg takedown. I get scared, real jab then kicks then GTFO of there.

Jab jab jab jab JAB!

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I'll go directly to the takedown, not going to bother hitting them. Put them on their face, arm bar behind them, and it's over in seconds with nobody getting seriously injured. If they persist and take another swing when i let them up, they might get hit while on the ground the second time. I avoid most altercations, no need to take on that little 110-150lb guy and hurt him because he's drunk and trying to impress friends. I'll let him have it, yeah he is so tough, a real badass. He pushes the issue he finds out that old guys built like silver back gorillas will hurt you. 30 years ago at 167lbs i was beating hvywt wrestlers, the smaller guys were very easy to beat. Now I've got more than twice the strength I had in high school, so 150 lbs isn't a challenge at all. 300lbs of average guy is easy to handle, have done it. Most have no clue what is about to happen, other wrestlers don't really start shit, so those who do have never experienced it before.

I'm so old it has to be over in seconds or I run out of breath. /sarcasm but still kinda honest/serious.

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what kinda training have you done? as much as i'd like to beat 300 lb dudes hand to hand, i don't really have the joint integrity for it, haven't had the best series of choices in my childhood.

[–]RedDeadCred 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excellent strategy if your goal is to get soccer kicked in the teeth.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get that bone in your thumb under the rib cage, come in for the bear hug (instead of shooting on the legs) and most of these guys will fold like a lawnchair under Rosie O'Donnell.

[–]Future_Alpha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You talk a big game man. Hope you actually are like that, no disrespect. That's what I don't like about reddit, no way to confirm if the man who is talking just talks the talk or also walks the walk.

[–]1sailorJery 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't punch but all about the palm striking

[–]Oz70NYC 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Same thing. A quote beat into Marine skulls from Sun Tzu is "Be extremely subtle, to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can direct your opponent's fate." What that basically means is be in control and focused. My DI would say "We want rapier swords, not baseball bats." An aggressive soldier is a dead soldier.

[–]Bohemiannn 7 points8 points  (1 child)

because an Alpha would know where and when to not show or show aggressive hot headed behavior. Alpha controls his power.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I don't know about you, but I'd rather fight Mike Tyson with the switch turned off than Mike Tyson with the switch turned on.

[–]Oz70NYC 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Mike Tyson was aggressive, but not uncontrolled. Look at the precision that came with that godly uppercut he threw. He didn't just swing for the fences. He'd get in tight and low on his opponent, and as they tried to create space, he'd popped his hip, bring his arm up and separate men from their souls. I've studied combat, fight science and warfare all my life. Tyson is one of the best examples of strategy in combat. To the unknowing and untrained he's just a savage brute, and that's exactly what he wanted guys to think. It took James "Buster" Douglas to figure out the actual science behind Tyson's ferocity to topple him.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That and the death of Cus D'Amato.

[–]Future_Alpha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aggression is good. Aggression controls pain. If you are aggressive you are fearless, persistent, willing to fight to the last breath (its been my experience with boxing).

What you are referring to is rashness. You want a man to be aggressive but not rash. Being rash is what gets men killed. You want to control your fury, keep a little flame that burns inside that makes you want to kill the other man regardless of how much pain he gives you, but do not let the flame consume you. Its like that quote from dune that talks about controlling fear:

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

Fear is doubt. Fear is rashness. Do not let fear control you. Fear is the mindkiller that brings total obliteration. I have been in fistfights in highschool (I was bullied alot) where bigger guys thought that they can beat me up (because I was a scrawny kid), but I had so much fury, did not allow myself to feel pain and just kept coming back aggressively, that they all stopped bothering me - it was much to dangerous for their own health and it was easier to seek another target.

[–]thetotalpackage7 0 points1 point  (5 children)

butt hurt much? who cares if you get downvoted.

[–]OnlyFartsDuringSex 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Success and dominance in modern day warfare have very, very little to do with brawn and "alphaness".

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You might think so. If you think alpha is big, stupid, and unaware, then yeah I can see where you'd say that. Conflicts from wars down to one on one is most often decided by who has the greater will to do damage and inflict it without pause. If you're not committed to the fight and your opponent is, you'll probably lose. Unless the alpha mindset is severely overmatched, it's damn difficult to overcome. If it's an even match with comparable skills/abilities/training the one who wants it more will win. If you think the US military isn't an alpha mindset, then you don't know shit about either the military or what being alpha is.

Vietnam is the perfect example of will to fight, the US lost it and said fuck it. Iraq both times is an example of being overmatched in every way and their boots on the ground didn't have the will to fight. When it comes down to it, the deciding factor is who wants it more and has the capability to do damage. The U.S. wants it enough to spend more than the next ten militaries combined to make sure we stay top dog.

As for brawn, compare the average US military man to anyone in the countries that oppose us. It's still very much a factor even with the technology we have.

[–]-ATLAS-_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You my friend, have not discovered the lovely world of nootropics. If a pill exists to make a man's brain behave a certain way, then many, many men will do whatever to get their hand on it and start experimenting with it (and women, but I swear the nootropic community is 80% male).

There's even people making stacks for being more social. If you tell nerds something is possible, watch them make all the experiments to figure it out and share their knowledge with others.

[–]human_bean_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I imagine the medical institution will invent a new illness and start applying this as medicine.

[–]smengle 129 points130 points  (7 children)

This is interesting, but it’s so fucking funny to think of a bunch of scientists and researchers gathering around a cage of mice trying to figure out which one’s beta bucks.

[–]Docbear64 65 points66 points  (3 children)

That's hilarious . " You see that sad one over in the corner not fucking any of the females but keeps giving them all his pellets? That's Jimmy our model beta . Every third day one of the females come and gives him a pity fuck but he is the least sexed mouse in this cage"

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (2 children)

if that was real life for beta's, there wouldnt have been TRP

[–]fromthecrypt8 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Hahaha true. More like every 3 months for a beta bux.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I know, right? I saw it and thought it would give some of the developing guys something to think about, and the Bloopers something to obsess over. /grin

[–]hawkeaglejesus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was a video someone posted a while back regarding beta and alpha lions, and you can watch this scrawny ass professor fawning over how much of an alpha the black-maned lion was.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (1 child)

That's the " me" part of the brain. You can alter it through physical activity

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 47 points48 points  (6 children)

Brash, brawny and keen to impose their will on anyone who enters
their sphere of existence: the alpha male in action is unmistakable.

The Guardian, always socialist, is now nothing more than a femirag. Completely run by and for feminists.

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[–]newls 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We need more female judges, if only because they're a lot fairer (harsher) on female defendants.

Plus I would watch the shit out of any TV show where Game-aware dudes used qualification and Cocky and Funny on unaware female judges.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Not nearly as bad as HuffPost. Here's their latest ad:


[–]Z33ger 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Way cool! This is called locational (non-synaptic) neural plasticity. A conscious being, fully conscious and self-aware, is able to recognize changes in his own mind-state and associate them with locational non-synaptic changes in the brain.

Obviously mice do not have that level of consciousness, but humans do. We partially know and are continuing to learn, which locations of the brain are responsible for certain functions. Furthermore, we know that these locations and the brain as a whole are plastic or changeable.

The human mind is malleable even into adulthood. This is why TRP works. It is reconstituting the linguistic transference between different parts of the mind. Changing the way the brain communicates with itself, and changing how the mind (consciousness) oversees cognitive functions as a whole.

Not only do neural changes alter behavior and thinking, but they also alter the lens through which someone performs introspection. This is confidence building. Altering self-perception, approaching self-acceptance, via cognitive behavioral adjustment. Training yourself to use your mind differently through sheer willpower.

After enough time (seven-to-ten years according to human cellular replacement cycles and a physical reductionist perspective), you could be considered an entirely different person. Others however might say you become a new man every day...

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 25 points26 points  (65 children)

Hopefully that'll researched to be a red pill in a literal pill.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 57 points58 points  (13 children)

I'm not sure that would be a good thing for a number of reasons. Better that we manifest ourselves through our own efforts.

[–]Nicolay77 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The world is already full of assholes with dangerous world views and amazingly sure of themselves.

That's how most wars, massacres, crimes and such bizarre stuff happens.

A bit of effort not only makes it well deserved, it makes it to be a positive thing because things have been tried and tested.

Things need to be tried and tested.

[–]9000sins 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Hyper aggressive cuck beta male white knights is probably not a good thing.

[–]lopsidedlucky 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I actually know one that started taking testosterone. It's definitely not a good thing. Guy is aggressive as fuck now but social autistic still so he just gets angry and aggressive at all the wrong shit while still sucking the liberal tit.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Sounds like a useful idiot. You could utilize him easily. Think about the applications.

[–]aanarchist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

a bunch of liberal cucks who you can turn into strong and aggressive soldiers at will, definitely useful.

[–]lopsidedlucky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A less autistic buddy of mine actually does use him a lot so you're definitely on to something.

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I agree. Though, that pill will be researched regardless, with our knowledge or without it. If you were at the top, you'd definitely put your effort into such research if you had resources for it. Think of the additional power you could create in your soldiers or whatever.

I'm not big into transhumanity, but it is going to take over eventually. We (I, at least) are already using substances to enhance our lives, be it LSD or coffee, or not substances - be it artificial light or skills.

It's all about our boundaries, which are really set on beliefs. I have thought about this many times before: I often encounter argument that what is given without effort - say for example red pill knowledge/masculinity in a pill - that is weaker than if it were taught. That's a belief though, as I've realized I have no confidence in that it'd be less valuable/weaker than gains made the "natural" way. We don't really know this, and in fact, knowledge given makes space (time) to come up with new knowledge. We're not just giving knowledge/mindset for free, we also give time and space to do other stuff.

Myself I see no trouble using exogenous steroids, as long as they're lower dosage and used safely - if someone makes gains faster this way and gives a shit only about the gains, then so be it. He might be doing that to free up space for other stuff in his life. Myself I am now on TRT dosage because of a fuck up to my brain I did a few years ago, but I consider getting on a slighty higher dosage of testosterone when the time comes (i.e. the gains slow down). Nowhere as close as the bodybuilders, though. I have to use testosterone for now anyway, so might as well use some more.

I don't judge these decisions because I know every single of us is making them everyday. Especially on this forum. Take blue pillers for example. They make the choice not to use knowledge to their power, whatever it is that works. That's their belief, and hey hold on to it by not taking action in ways they see wrong.

I don't judge these decisions because I know I am going to meet more and more people in my life who are having an edge in their lives due to something I would not consider ever doing because X or Y. And I've also made decisions that they'd never consider making.

I've taken this far; it's relevant, though. Thanks for reading

[–]Z33ger 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Naturalism and purism are fetishes. Often the weightiest arguments in their favor are emotional. Detached from objective reasoning. Synthetics, exogenous drogas, artificial productions...history has proven these things to render some "natural" things as obsolete.

Nobody complained when the automobile overtook the steed. Nobody would complain if they could eat safe, nutritious meat substitutes and avoid killing animals. And nobody would complain if some pharmaceutical group developed an alpha brain-pill...as long as said group isn't Alex Jones of course!

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should tell that to anti vax and anti GMO dumbasses. Alex Jones is as reliable a source for info as a 12 year old child. He may say something right once in a while but most of the stuff coming out his mouth is bullshit. It's what happens after years and years of being validated by fat blue pilled YouTube lurkers. I imagine that's how nutjobs like Gwyneth Paltrow started her pseudo health bullshit products.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Take blue pillers for example. They make the choice not to use knowledge to their power, whatever it is that works.

Hmm. I'm not sure there is a conscious choice involved. If you grow up in "X" religion then you are going to think that "X" religion is super-awesome and way better than all the other religions because you don't have any reference points and were brought into it before you have reached the age of reason, etc. So Bloopers are often just defending what they know, because it's the only thing they know.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People have a tendency to not want to see they're wrong. They'll delude themselves at great length to preserve what they believe, and many will adhere blindly in the face of overwhelming evidence. What we're told when young tends to get set in stone so to speak, indoctrination before the age of ten has the greater impact on your life. Before you're about 30-35, you really don't know shit, but under 13 you barely know anything and do not possess the skills to sniff out incongruous bullshit.

If an authority figure tells you something when you're young and you accept it entirely, you'll probably defend it your entire life. After which confirmation bias keeps you only looking for the stuff that supports your view.

This can be about anything. Feminism is as much a religion as anything else. Not based in reality, has dogma, mutates as it goes to strengthen itself, uses the same tactics as religion to defend itself, eg shame, guilt, legal system, and the favorite of religious nuts, shouting louder than everyone else. Wishful thinking to benefit a few and make the adherents believe they're somehow special or above everyone due to their beliefs.

Not knowing you're ignorant is a very effective means to keeping you ignorant. Demonizing reality and human nature are the tools used to keep you ignorant.

I find it most amusing that some atheists who eschew religion willingly and easily accept feminism. Skeptics will still follow feminism despite it's obvious logical and rational shortcomings. Feminism has weaseled it's way into atheist society, as if they two things are not only compatible but essentially the same thing. It seems many humans are prone to that kind of delusion, a god doesn't exist but girls are equal to men in every way. It's a curious brain failure in our species that some reject reality and defend delusion so adamantly.

[–]1SeemedGood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. It's the effort and self-mastery that matters. A pill won't actually work because it can't confer either of those.

[–]SuwinTzi 2 points3 points  (21 children)

They might just make a blue pill instead and force you to take it.

[–]1Metalageddon 14 points15 points  (12 children)

They already do.

Look at the rates of medication in young boys for add and ADHD, and antidepressants. Especially pushed by educational review. (School psychs and such).

It's sad. Really really sad. If you're even a little rambunctious, you get prescribed. Boys can't be boys. It's too unfeminine.

[–]alexclarkbarry 5 points6 points  (3 children)

14% of boys between ages 8-12 will get put on meds like that this year, sickens me to my core

[–]mrbluesdude 5 points6 points  (2 children)

What the actual fuck, is that a real statistic? Every time I take adderall I'm amazed that they give that shit to kids

[–]alexclarkbarry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's growing every year, I got put on that shit in 2004, it was only a 9% rate back then.

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It really depends. That number is steadily rising fast and I believe they give a smaller dose of Adderal for kids. But I agree since Adderal is basically like a poor man's cocaine.

[–]Nicolay77 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Add antidepressants to that list. We have lost many valuable people to that crap.

[–]SuwinTzi 0 points1 point  (4 children)

There's ways to direct that energy towards activoties, or teaching them ways to calm the self. Medication shouldn't be the first thing, it should be "He's in 3 afterschool programs, 2 sports, and can still run like a maniac for jours into bedtime and still wont come down."

[–]1Metalageddon 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah I know. From experience.

My parents dealt with me by putting me into wrestling, little league, and track.

Later they pushed me into basketball and football.

End of highschool I was 2nd in our school for tennis.

My brother though, he got the shit end of the stick. Antidepressants and Adderall. Fucked him up. Until a few years ago when he finally quit it, he was a shell of who he used to be, (and he's still playing catch up). It killed me. The kid is smarter than I ever was and it took more mental energy for him to follow a conversation than for me to lift. For like 8 straight years.

What a fucking sacrifice. What a fucking Injustice.

[–]SuwinTzi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have to take similar stuff as part of mrntal health treatment from the VA. Only good thing about it ia that i keep getting the worat of the side effects from the different brands so I'm always min possible dose to where there's almost no effect.

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Change the C to a T in "medication" and we might see quality change.

[–]SuwinTzi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Give children tools and methods first; if everything else fails, fine, meds.

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah psychoactive and antidepressant drugs are a real bane in the medicine field. In severe specific cases they might work but we are prescribing this shit so easily because these "doctors" think it's a good idea to just give our drugs.

A lot of times they don't work and make you more depressed. They're meant to be used for extreme cases but people have become incessant whiners.

I'm not so sure about Adderal. When I was young it was the poor man's cocaine and a lot of people prescribed it I know apparently faked it to get it.

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 2 points3 points  (7 children)

IMO, that's already happening, conscious effort or not, when I think of the combined causes of testosterone levels going down across the globe every year. It's like a blue world.

[–]SuwinTzi 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I remember reading part of that is due to increase use of plastics everywhere. And there being a study stating that everyman today has roughly half the sperm count of men 50years ago.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I remember reading part of that is due to increase use of plastics everywhere.

Yeah, supposedly there's something in certain plastics that mimics estrogen. The answer is, of course, avoid foods contained in plastics and eat a lot of cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower, etc.), which, evidently are "estrogen blockers".

Bear in mind that I'm only a doctor if you count 'witch doctor' etc.

[–]SuwinTzi 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Think it was linked to BPAs, but even BPA free wont save you; some phytoestrogens can even be found in shampoo.

[–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's where going NoPoo is handy. It works fine too, I just find to avoid dandruff I need to keep my hair short and blow dry.

[–]drsherbert 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Take ashwaganda and maca root. I promise you won't regret it.

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both true. Funny how the norms/standards also get changed (read: lowered) every some years so people don't think we're too far away from quality.

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Two popular reasons? Drugs and radiation.

[–]adam_varg 1 point2 points  (3 children)

There already is one, its called trenbolone.

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've read mixed opinions on it, regarding mental effects. Some say it made them feel really good and confident, some say it made them depressed, some say it made them very jealous, secretive and untrusting to the point of screwing up their relationship.

[–]adam_varg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its crazy strong androgenic, so it will by default up your drive, aggresivness, competetivness, physical strenght, emotionelessness, high energy levels, dgaf attitude and libido.

Usually trough the roof and more likely than not.

But it ups prolactin and estrogen, so if someone doesnt care of it he can get depression, libido loss, lethargy and feminizing sides. And of course boatload of other side effects that can fuck you up.

I dont recommend using it, but it does work

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[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 9 points10 points  (10 children)

You'd speak differently if you had 200ng/dL testosterone levels in your 20s

I don't want to be dependent, but what other choice do I have (in case of testosterone)? Be dependent on anxiety, low self-esteem, dead sex life and lack of results.

[–]InSunlightWeBelong 2 points3 points  (9 children)

So you take test? Good stuff, I'll probably do the same when my levels start slipping too much around 50yo. But our boy Worldstrongestman is talking about these meds that pussify boys, like ADD meds

[–]Casanova-Quinn 11 points12 points  (5 children)

ADHD meds don't "pussify" boys. I know cause I take meds for ADHD. They don't make me less confident or more emotional, they just keep me alert and focused. An improper dose of meds can make someone act strange, but that's different than acting pussified. What really pussifies boys is growing up in a culture that promotes feminine behavior and white knight fantasies.

[–]wtfomg77 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have ADD and used to take Vyvanse in college, but only when I was writing papers or studying. If anything, it made me more 'alpha'. I was calmer and more composed, while being confident and focused. I also spoke more slowly and in a much deeper voice. Many people have told me it makes me like a different person, in a good way. Especially during my freshman year in college, where I was pretty loud and somewhat flamboyant. I have since curbed those behaviors, but all else equal, the medication brings out better sides of me. Only problem is that it shriveled up my dick at times.

[–]1Tommy_407 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I have to chime in here and stand up because I upvoted this comment and totally agree with you. I have ADHD and have been on Adderall for 12 years. ADHD MEDS DO NOT PUSSIFY BOYS. THEY GIVE THEM ENERGY, CONFIDENCE, ALERTNESS, AND FOCUS. If anything they surely make a boy more alpha. Dead Ass.

I'm not going to get into this here, but Adderall and Vyvanse are basically legal crystal meth without the neurotoxicity and side effects of a methylated compound. They are powerful and have high potential for making a man or boy aggressive.

[–]InSunlightWeBelong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Boys I have ADD and I'm not talking about Adderall, I'm talking about the shit they prescribe you here in the UK from the NHS which allows influence by a government agenda

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You clearly don't understand how mental disorders work, or what ADHD medication does. smh, these armchair pharmaceutical experts.

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes; and thanks for clarifying, I did not realize.

[–]grandaddychimp 20 points21 points  (10 children)

You can be the biggest baddest wealthiest rock star in the world with dozens of 21 year old plates in every city in the world, big muscles with shredded abs, tall, a full thick head of hair, square jaw, top notch game and frame with a mommy and daddy that raised you right and love you very much, and nothing seriously horrible has ever happened to you, and yet still have depression and anxiety.

Because depression and anxiety are caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. Maybe you accidentally took a few too many blows to the head. Sometimes no environmental or cognitive factors are responsible for it, it's literally that your brain doesn't work right. And the only way to make it work better is medication.

There's nothing beta about taking meds if they put you back in the right state of mind so you can improve your SMV more instead of killing yourself because you're tired of being so sad all the time that you don't want to get out of bed

It's obvious you know nothing about mental illness, so take your ignorance elsewhere

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Because depression and anxiety are caused by chemical imbalances in the brain.

Sometimes. These clinical cases are rare if you consider how many people are diagnosed with anxiety or depression.

Depression and anxiety are not caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. They can be caused by the imbalance, and they're most often correlated. But are rarely direct cause. If you look deeper into depression studies you'll find out that it has only been correlated with each other. It's complex and not as simple as "you have low serotonin... here's SSRI gl&hf"

I had hormonal problems myself. I am on TRT for 2+ months. And I know how it's like to have anxiety and be depressed despite my truest efforts and understanding of my state, yet not being able to get past a certain ceiling effect. However these literally chemical imbalance as a cause cases are rare. I've got a friend whose test is 1000ng/dL. He's tried all kinds of antidepressants from all the groups. His thyroid is in check. Yet he has social anxiety. But my bet, from when I talk with him is that he has very deeply internalized negative beliefs about himself and the world. And his life over past 3 years prove it because so far no drug has helped him out of this, only his actions: moving out, finding a job that he's good at, forcing himself out of comfort zone and challenging his beliefs.

[–]Zachar1a 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think a lot of depression is really Complex PTSD from early childhood. Mom watching soap operas and letting the kid cry in the playpen. Bad experiences when the brain is still forming.

[–]TheBloodEagleX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Depression is more linked to inflammation rather than chemical imbalance; at least there's more correlation.

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[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

I don't get why you guys are getting downvoted. Here are the arguments and no ad personam trips yet the downvotes. Is discussion and difference/challenge of views unadvocated?

Enjoy your comfort zones, alphas™

[–]gmwbh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Because 99% of Americans are mentally retarded

[–]1empatheticapathetic -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

You could also be that dude and be depressed because of a poor perspective.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, that's stupid. Many people have disorders or medical problems and HAVE to take medication or they can barely function.

[–]SuwinTzi 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If they can turn it on, they can turn it off too. Concerned about how exactly they turned it on, if method can go aero or suspend in liquid.

[–]GMack17 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So they're basically saying be competitive. Not surprising.

[–]Lord_NShYH 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's almost as if we're biologically incapable of greatness without overcoming adversity and strengthening every dimension of our minds and bodies. Wow, imagine that. /s

[–]pussycatmando 8 points9 points  (10 children)

To activate the switch maintain IDGAF attitude and speak your truth always.

[–]S-Blaze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

exactly, speak your mind reasonably to stimulate and grow assertiveness simple as that.

[–]Velebit -1 points0 points  (8 children)

repeating lies in yourself is not changing your biology and lying to yousrself now that it does, does not make you right

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Your truth is that "my truth" is a lie, whereas his is that it is "my subjective reality." Would you believe people have different words for the same thing? And the same words for different things? Shaming others into using your words for your things is the same thing as he's saying.

[–]Velebit -1 points0 points  (6 children)

no, the truth is scientifically proven thing mentioned in the article, they drugged the mice up for fucks sakes and he thinks it's the attitude

they pinpointed the part of brain active in win-at-all-cost situation and made it hyperactive, since they are simple and stupid and extremely equal physically animals, will is all it takes to succeed

in reality doing this will not produce a well balanced ambitious and driven man, it will produce a disagreeable person who is impossible to reason with because it's his way or violence. what makes you "alpha" in animal world puts you into prison in shortest amount of time in human world, just try crossing the street like you own it, just try taking up as much space as you want, just try going into others personal space as much as you want.

our will or attitude is a product of our biology, not the other way around... dragon ball z has thought people that if they just WANT, TRY, and WILL stuff enough it will come, they will reach the next level, that does not work that way, main objective of parenting is balancing discipline and drive and most of us here had shitty parenting in that regard, thus our brains had developed in a bad way to cope with needs of either modern world or our biology

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Well yes, nobody doing or reading mice studies would argue that the results are anything more than a possible model for a more significant (human) implication. Plus most of them cannot be replicated. But they can provide inspiration and motivation, for further research, or for changing one's own behavior - in Catch Me if you Can, Leo D tells the story of a mouse who is stuck in a bucket of milk and instead of giving up and drowning like his comrade, keeps kicking until he turns the milk to cream and then climbs out. Whether this story is true or not is irrelevant. Nobody would suggest that this is the optimal method of making cream. But it's inspirational. Especially to the non-scientists. To the scientist, it is inspirational for further research.

[–]Velebit 0 points1 point  (4 children)

No. How much that story is true is the only relevant thing. Fuck fitspo and winspiration and that shit.

Life is not about being happy. Adam and Eve told you that. That is the human soul. Human soul is about knowledge.

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Well that's your own measure of life and a soul. Everyone and every sub has different measures. The only measure that matters here is i f the amount you want to be getting laid is equal to the amount you are getting laid.

And the brain is much more complicated than you are clearly aware. The universe is an infinity of data that the mind cannot process, so it picks a tiny tiny set to input, and we call it perception. Your perception is only special in that it is your own.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Never thought I would see a 'The Guardian' article posted on here without a few words along the lines of "Do you believe this bullshit?!?!?" being included in the body of text.

I don't trust anything they write, they rely on Clickbait just like all other internet "News" outlets. They've included the Science publication piece though, so I'll read that.

EDIT: That didn't quite read right; I'm not criticising OP at all, this is a good spot and a worthy thing to share.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Never thought I would see a 'The Guardian' article posted on here without a few words along the lines of "Do you believe this bullshit?!?!?" being included in the body of text.

Yeah, I was waiting for the other shoe to drop. And I love how they put a "tip jar" at the end of their articles now.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And I love how they put a "tip jar" at the end of their articles now.

Oh, E-Begging is a guaranteed sign of quality ;-)

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 2 points3 points  (6 children)

They've included the Science publication piece though


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Doesn't mean they haven't included the Science publication piece.

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Doesn't mean I meant that they haven't included the Science publication piece.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

We could go on forever with this...

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know, I've found humour in this

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For some reason, this discussion reminds me of this.

[–]Philhelm 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Doesn't Alex Jones promote those pills?

[–]anonlymouse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They just make you slightly more red and puffy. That's a red pill in a certain sense...

[–]yomo86 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Having too many "alphas" in a biological sense is society-wide suicide. People who acquire the balls without the work either by putting hard work in or simply by being raised that way are going to run around trying to mess with everybody just to show off.

[–]TheBloodEagleX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just what the world needs, more sociopaths.

[–]1ozaku7 2 points3 points  (2 children)

For an alpha there must be a beta. We can't all be alphas in absolute sense, only the top 20% can be considered to be alpha.

[–]Gearski 3 points4 points  (1 child)

So would that mean 20% of men would rise above the new norm, becoming super-alphas?

[–]1ozaku7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and the alphas are the new betas.

[–]Myagooshki4004 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Wikipedia only has a very short article on the dmPFC. It says that it is linked to altruism and that people who have disassociative identity disorders have less activity there. I can see the correlation with the identity disorder, but altruism? I suppose it's pretty alpha to be altruistic in certain situations. What do you guys think?

[–]MaxwellGaine 1 point2 points  (1 child)

A tribe with a leader who lacked any sense of altruism wouldn't get too far.

I don't have the link, but recall reading that high testosterone males in peaceful situations were more likely to demonstrate dominant altruistic/generous behavior, while low testosterone was correlated with increased aggression. I believe that flipped in stressful/pressure circumstances, where the high testosterone (alpha) then displayed aggression when necessary. Don't recall if this was in humans or wolves.

[–]Myagooshki4004 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably not in wolves lmao wolves suck

[–]mydogfartzwithz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Going to sound weird but I used to do a meditation technique that activated this, to some degree. All you did was cover your ears and use your index fingers to tap the back of your head in that area ( didn't know a thing about the brain ) it was called like spirit drumming or some hippie spiritual term but technically, you're waking up that physical side of the brain. Give it a try - or I'm just making you look like an idiot for my amusement

Edit: I meant to say flick , flick your index off your middle finger and hit the back of the head in that general area keeping your rhythm consistent. Do it about 99 times or until I'm done laughing

[–]Andgelyo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not surprised, the more you win, the more confident you become. I also read somewhere that winning (sports, games, social hierarchy, etc.) triggers the release of more testosterone. Don't really agree with it being ground breaking science, but as a daily reminder to keep a winning attitude.

[–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Any thoughts on how to activate or enhance the dmPFC in humans? Meditation or exercise, maybe?

[–]Backbone89 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Yes to both of those. Affirmations is also big but that kinda goes with meditation. Or just do some DMT, whatever floats your boat.

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The easy way never pays off, at least not in the long run

Stop reading bullshit and listening to that junkie Rogan

[–]Backbone89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol I totally agree with everything you are saying.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

DMT? Easy way? I see why you would think that but personally that's the hard, scary way. I guess if there is an "easy way", it would be a drug so I get your perspective.

[–]Offsubject 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everyone should try DMT at least once.

[–]MrAnderzon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They gave the mice an very good frame in essence.

[–]renewed_dude 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The alpha male is an Übermensch.

[–]FalsyTruth 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In this case you could say it is an Übermaus

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[–]3nebder 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Here's the rub. Before agriculture, our ancestors were most likely the winner males. Obviously agriculture changed the dynamics, but that shits only so recent on the long view.

TLDR we come from winners. Make your ancestors proud

[–]Subtletorious 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The mice were genetically engineered so that the target group of neurons were light-sensitive, meaning that the scientists could switch the circuit on and off at will by shining a laser into the mouse brain.

Interesting research. Current real world application: none. There are no easy fixes. Stop looking for the easy fix.

[–]nninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More good mental masturbation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well, that on and off thing is actually fucking scary

[–]mydogfartzwithz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Going to sound weird but I used to do a meditation technique that activated this, to some degree. All you did was cover your ears and use your index fingers to tap the back of your head in that area ( didn't know a thing about the brain ) it was called like spirit drumming or some hippie spiritual term but technically, you're waking up that physical side of the brain. Give it a try - or I'm just making you look like an idiot for my amusement

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So being Alpha is all about the right mindset is scientifically confirmed?

[–]Velebit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

alpha is a leader in animal world, however because animals don't have human norms, who gets to be alpha depends not on value he provides but rather his signaling of primal stuff

[–]billmartin3491 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shame that they cant make a pill asap. I need some motivation in getting side hussle stuff done!

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[–]Poormidlifechoices 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought the right medication was the centerfold.

[–]sd4c 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I wouldn't know where to acquire D. Also my friend: is there any research showing some pfdmc activation specifically from taking D?

[–]Desadarius 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Fuck science. Take me back 50 years

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck science. Take me back 50 years

I'm afraid that you will need science for that.

[–]lafingman0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so one day there might literally be a red pill

[–]circlhat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why there is always hope , I notice myself becoming quick witted the more and more I slept with women. It became my nature, this is why I have so much sympathy for blue pillers as they are victims.

When I was young i was taught to let people hit me , my mom would congratulate me on getting my assed whip and not fighting back

If someone talked down to me I was only to respond in kindness , Of course AWALT, when someone treated her like shit she stood up for herself, one time someone said something smart and she drove and chased him down.

Eventually I figured out the double standard but human brains are so fragile that it took around 10 years to remove that programming

[–]trpanak1n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

now the question is how can do this in ourselves cool there's a switch how the fuck do i use it to my advantage

[–]epixs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Taking test and tren also does similar effects :)

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sounds like a recipe for making someone left brain dominant, rather than turning him into an alpha male.

[–]INTJokes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's in the prefrontal cortex. That's the region that's strengthened through meditation.

[–]OneLifeSucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's like that almost state of peace you reach when you're slightly pissed about something but not over the top. You reach that low-energy point where you can look someone dead in their eye and really not give a fuck about anything. You can tell how others react when you're in that state, they really take you seriously. I think if you can channel that low-energy form into all interactions both positive and negative and get better at maintaining that form through habit, you'll be the alpha that's inside all of us no matter how BP we were conditioned.

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You can simualte this effect to some extent by taking low doses of modafinil or r-modafinil (around 25mg or 50mg racemic)