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Red Pill TheoryThe Eunuchs of The Red Pill (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed Contributorvandaalen

Critics are like eunuchs: they know how, but they can't do it.

- Paul Bocuse

The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

- The Sidebar

As some of you might now, I am foremostly doing my shifts right at the front, playing the mailbox aunt for noobs, answering their questions, which mostly revolve around their unicorns, being too lazy to fucking follow one simple advice (Go lift, asshat!), or dealing with the toughest draw of them all - being Indian and wanting to bang blonde bitches from the USA.

One of the biggest problems I face there is another one though:

Guys who downplay, shame or directly deny the importance of having uncommited sexual relationships with women (e.g. "Spinning Plates") in the process of unplugging.

The recent influx of motherfuckers who act as unicorn hunters, "MGTOW" or MRA support group feel-good pussies (I do not know which is the worse fate to be honest) in the mainsub just underlines the need of somebody outright telling you:

You will never be fully unplugged, if you have not held a soft harem for an extended period of time and experienced true female nature first hand.

Nothing else will give you the same insights.

Not having raged on the toilet over reading about some cunt getting the pussy pass in a courtroom. Not laying in the gras with your girlfriend, argueing about what forms the clouds resemble. Not sitting in your basement, typing flaming hateposts about 3rd wave feminists for your fellow fatties with your cheetoh crusted fingers. And most certainly not coming here, trying to shame Alpha Chads for chadding all they can.

This sub's first and most important purpose has always been to get guys in a physical and mental state to be ready to fully blossom in their masculinity and go out and do what they are meant to do: impregnate as many human females as they possibly can. Well, not literally most certainly.

Everything else is just by-products.

MGTOW, relationships or becoming the saviour of all men are endgoals and not "the way".

Especially the self-proclaimed MGTOW get me on the fence on a regular basis. Just FYI:

You cannot be MGTOW if you do not posses the capabilities and knowledge of a pussy-slayer. Sitting at you computer at 350 lbs, and deciding that you are going your own way from now on, between chugging a gallon of Mountain Dew and shouting at your mom while jacking of to midget trannies pissing at each other, is just the same as dying of thirst in the desert and proclaiming that you'll never drink water again from now on.

When the first MGTOW arose, they rose from the crowd of Chads, not angry Incels, who just came to the conclusion, that pussy is not worth the hassle and following your mission should be your priority. However they knew one thing very well: Being in shape, taking care of your body and your mind, still was the most important thing of them all.

The mere nature of a man going his own way is an instant pussy humidifier. He is taking care of himself, he is confident, he is following his own rules and he's got goals in life and is assertive in reaching them. Probably the exact opposite of what many of the "2nd wave MGTOW" are.

You narcissistic serial monogamists are following closely though. "Muh. I do not date sluts. Muh." How the fuck will you even know what type of bitch you are dealing with after meeting her two times and then throwing your commitment at her?

Founding a dynasty is one of the possible endgames of the unplugged man. However wandering through life with the goal of finding your unicorn will never satisfyingly lead you there.

In order to be able to carefully select a future mate, having dealt with many prospects who do not qualify is essential. Having wife's grope your crotch, whispering in your ears that it's such a pity that their husband does not have such muscles or having somebody's "innocent" girlfriend drive 40 miles at night just to suck your dick, swallow your load and drive back home, to lay at his side in his bed, are pretty eye-opening experiences and just reading about them is not the same as having them do it for you.

Let aside that you will not know what type of woman you are dealing with, until you have fucked her for the very least amount of six to twelve months without offering her exclusivity. Women are wearing different masks for different people and you will not be able to meet the women behind all of those in two weeks of vanilla sexing her and throwing your most precious good - your commitment - at her at the very first moment that represents itself to you.

Thridly we have the type of feel-good activists who come here, desperately trying to force their own moral standards on everybody, while they never truly put them to a test themselves.

Not being anywhere near the state of being able to pull quality pussy or having ever been in the situation where they were Chad, and had a good looking married woman drop on her knees in front of them, desperately trying to get their cock out, yet they absolutely know what "is not true alpha behaviour". What the fuck would you know about that, you bad Paul Elam carbon copy?

All of the above archetypes of commenters share one, maybe the most annoying trait: They cannot withstand their urge to tell people, especially myself and fellow Endorsed Contributors, that we cannot possibly know the right way. Oftentimes followed by some variation of "How could you have become an EC."

I got news for you: Yes. We do indeed know better than you and there is a fucking reason why we got that flair and you have not, and it is not because we meet and suck each others dicks on a regular basis, as you so non-chalantly like to assume.

Lastly, there is the guys I do not despise of, but who need to be told:

Less thinking and more doing motherfuckers.

You will not be able to get good at sexual relationships by avoiding to coming close to having one.

If you have read the sidebar material and maybe one book about game, like i.e. "Models" by Mark Manson, you know enough in order to succeed with women.

You don't need to study the equivalent to the material needed to get a bachelor in evolutionary psychology "to understand the nature of women".

Get in shape, fire up tinder and find out for yourself what kind of shallow, boring, iloyal, impulsive, cheap, cheating, self-entitled, superficial, annoying assholes most of the bitches out there are.

tl;dr: Shut up, bang bitches, be awesome, stop annoying me with your horseshit.


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By popular demand, I will be pointing out who, and why they are getting banned.

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[–]Docbear64 102 points103 points  (7 children)

Let aside that you will not know what type of woman you are dealing with, until you have fucked her for the very least amount of six to twelve months without offering her exclusivity.

I'm happy to see you think this too, guys are killing me right now with this " My LTR of six weeks ...." talk ..what LTR? What real relationship do you have after such a short time ? Sure you can have a ton of fun , have really strong new relationship feelings. However It used to be common knowledge that the first 3 months were a clean presentation of a new partner you didn't begin to see the real them until that 3 month period passed which means another 3 months AT LEAST before you might have an idea of who you're having a relationship with . Why anyone would rush to assume the perfect character of someone they are hanging with and try to commit as early as possible is beyond me.

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Better be doing more than just fucking for six weeks. Defile. Break her down. See if the ground is worth tilling and if it's fertile. Fuck her body and mind. Test her limits. Sexually, emotionally, and mentally break her. Rim, piss, swirlies, propose three ways and gangbangs. Only then will you know.

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[–]Red_Faust 42 points43 points  (12 children)

It is inefficient to use red pill knowledge to try and achieve blue pill goals.

(paraphrasing Rollo Tomassi)

As of lately, there's a horde of these around here.

I was pondering about sharing my experience, after a decade and a half of non-monogamy in MLTRs I've set up a swinger lifestyle with a bisexual girl as a long-time partner and tandem hunting every weekend. But seeing the kind of posts and comments that show up around here lately, I don't know if it makes any sense. People here have a reality distortion field on what everyone's endgame should be.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

People here have a reality distortion field on what everyone's endgame should be.

Trying to One-Up people on their "Red Pill Dosage" level seems to be the immediate task, long-term approach and end-game for most people on here.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Rollo didn't say that. What he said is that purple pill men, were just blue pill men who were trying to dress themselves up as red, and look to other red pillers for their "stripe" in affirmation.

For instance... your setup is considered blue pill because you are playing within female primary frame. You can't possibly outpull her. She is exercising her peak reproductive strategy, with your permission. You are for all intents and purposes an LT emotional tampon and orbiter.

Hey it works for you, fine. No one cares, really. The only thing around here that EC and VGs get concerned about, is don't come on here calling yourself red pill.

You are a red pill aware, blue pill. That's fine.

It's not really an insult, and people should be a little less hostile here. You have to call a spade a spade without it being an issue of hostility.

If however, she wasn't allowed to be with other men, and women only with your permission, your setup is perfect execution of male strategy.

People here have a reality distortion field on what everyone's endgame should be.

They really don't. You just have to be in the game long enough to truly understand what they're saying. Most often, I'd say, over 8090% of the time, it's way too late before it clicks. You have a marriage and kids.

[–]Red_Faust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rollo didn't say that. What he said is that purple pill men, were just blue pill men who were trying to dress themselves up as red, and look to other red pillers for their "stripe" in affirmation.

Well, more or less he says it in several places. Like here:

"Blue Pill Conditioning and Equalism" - http://archive.is/jvMrK

"Once again, you will never achieve Blue Pill idealistic goals with Red Pill awareness. Most men are taught that those Blue Pill goals are worthwhile, but they are carrots proffered by the same builders of the cart who hope to get the mule to pull it."

Another example, from the article "A New Hope" - http://archive.is/ZAp4p

"For many newly unplugged, red pill aware, men the temptation is to think they can use this new understanding to achieve the goal-states of their preconditioned blue pill ideals."

This post is also a good summary: http://archive.is/LQJ3j

"red pill awareness in blue pill context: "I'm going to use my new RP knowledge to find the one". Doesn't work."

Note that your paragraph is perfectly valid, and I agree with it as well.

For instance... your setup is considered blue pill because you are playing within female primary frame. You can't possibly outpull her.

I know, sadomasochrist. I never intended to outpull her. We are in a liberal relationship, but I never said it was an open relationship (it isn't). We pick up girls together so her outpulling me works in my benefit.

If however, she wasn't allowed to be with other men, and women only with your permission, your setup is perfect execution of male strategy.

;)

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Less thinking and more doing motherfuckers.

I learn the truth of this everyday and from a million sources.

[–]Sworbo 37 points38 points  (36 children)

You will never be fully unplugged, if you have not held a soft harem for an extended period of time and experienced true female nature first hand.

I can appreciate comment. Now if you can appreciate this: I'm married, have kids, and a pretty OK life. I've unplugged ... some ... and would like to unplug some more. But there is harsh and heavy reaility to the commitments I have already made in life (mostly: I will raise these kids in a stable and healthy home, as long as my spouse improves the overall health and stability she's welcome to stay.)

Building a soft harem is not an option for me, for at least 10-15 more years. And most likely never will be a place my life goes.

I come here for 2nd hand ... umm ... "experience?" ... However the ratio of helpful posts to whining posts is not moving in heathy direction.

I usually hate self-help bull shit. The reason RedPill and related communities caught my attention were:

  • The only person who's going to fix and improve your life is you.

  • You are going to have to change your habits and views on life to fix and improve your life.

  • No blaming others. They are whatever they are, doing whatever they are doing.

  • Understand those around you and why they act the way they do. Don't fall victim to outcomes that could be predicted.

  • Fix yourself, and if you're lucky, those around you will follow.

I'm currently forcing myself to operate under the assertion that: everything wrong in your life is your own damn fault. If I failed I:

  • Didn't prepare enough, wasn't ready because of this.

  • Didn't put enough effort into it, to get what I wanted

  • Didn't understand the people around me well enough to properly predict their behavior.

  • Didn't find the people who wanted to share in the kind of success I wanted in my life.

We miss a deadline at work because some employee of mine didn't get his work done? I wasn't following his progress well enough, or gave him things he couldn't do, or didn't motivate him well enough or some other reason then just: I have a worthless employee.

And what good does it for me to use an excuse like "I have a worthless employee?" All that does it take all the power to fix the problem away from me (unless I've decided it's time to terminate that employee).

The thing RedPill help me focus on is that by making self-improvement my goal, and accepting responsibility ... that this empowers me to actually make my life better. Blaming others, disempowers me. Expecting them to change, or do shit for me, disempowers me.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 15 points16 points  (27 children)

My intent is not to shame men who have already founded a family into abandoning them. Everybody must act in between the realm of his possibilities and I actually appreciate men who acknowledge their responsibilities if children are in play.

However folks like you are by far the minority here, let aside that even if you have already committed to a woman, even if children are involved, the best solution can be to walk away.

As a sidenote it is possible to be happily married and spin plates with your partner knowing about it, if you got the right partner and follow some simple rules.

[–]Sworbo 11 points12 points  (25 children)

I agree that walking away is, for some, the best option. My life is pretty good, and my relationship with my spouse is above average. Sometimes I wish she'd follow a bit better, but ... I realize here the fault is in me and that I need to be a better leader. We are nowhere near the kind of dysfunctional where me breaking commitments to spin plates on the side is warranted.

When I spend time in RedPill (vs, MRP) I know I'm always trying to adapt advice directed at non-married men to my life. I'm a bit at a loss at the moment to figure out how to adapt "you won't truly be ... until you cheat ..." Still, if I had a time machine for 22 year old me I'd tell him what you are telling me.

I fully agree with the core of your post. The quality of the posts in RedPill and MRP is falling. Too many people who finally get a bit cocky once and have a great one-time-bang thinking they have it all figured out. Too many others who just want to rage about the hard truth of life.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 5 points6 points  (24 children)

I'm a bit at a loss at the moment to figure out how to adapt "you won't truly be ... until you cheat ..."

Which nowhere has been stated.

[–]Sworbo 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Well ... the cheat part defiantly was not.

The expression that I can never be unplugged unless I have developed a soft herm is mostly a quote.

Perhaps then I shall never be your version of truly unplugged. That's ok, I'll be ... something else then. As long as I'm a better me next week then this, and continue that process ad-infinum ...

Please, try not to view my comments as undue criticism. My life is in a different stage then this post was intended for. I know this.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

All good.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

You can never fully understand "women" as a group without experiencing many women. It's very simple and not a value judgement on you being trapped in a marriage because of kids. Remove ego, insert action.

[–]Sworbo 6 points7 points  (4 children)

And here I thought I had a fairly ego removed response.

To say that I have goals in my life that preclude some other actions, does not imply a level of trapped that is not innate to the human experience. The aggressive pursuit of any goal will open some doors, and close many others. I have studied various martial arts for nearly five years now. Do you have any idea how many TV show's I've not watched in that time? How many computer games I've not played? The consulting hours I've not worked and billed? The tinkering with my truck I could have done? The delicious carb laden or sugary dishes I've chosen to not eat? I closed many doors I encountered as I choose to work on that goal.

I agree that when I was younger I should have explored more, and would encourage young men to do so.

His proposed action of forming a soft herm are, currently, inconsistent with other goals of mine. The door to building a soft herim is currently closed, by me, in pursuit of other family oriented goals. I still seek some level of "unplugged," but I acknowledge it will not be perhaps as deeply understood as the OPs.

Therefore: this post for me does not contain an actionable task ... for me, and my goals.

This is not true for many many others.

And I still agree with the OPs core concept of: too many of you are posting 100% shit posts for the entire community that contain no actionable advice or share any exceptionally illuminating encounter. If anything, I'm agreeing, heavily, with the OP and trying to say: slay forward into the lands I choose not to tread.

But tell me all about it, because I find your stories humorous and occasionally enlightening.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Having read through the exchanges in your thread, I think you and OP are on the same page, just different parts of it.

Van seems to be saying that higher level understanding of RP dynamics requires certain prerequisites. You simply cannot achieve that level of understanding any other way. So, for all those who haven't gone through those required prerequisites, lets be clear where you're coming from...

I don't think it was ever meant to be a criticism for those who haven't gone through those prerequisites but who also aren't posting in RP as though they have the higher order understanding. RP does acknowledge the difference between those, likely such as yourself, who understand this limitation and accept the loss due to other clear priorities and those who deny it so they don't have to confront their terrors of actually going through it.

RP has a lot for people like you. Just understand, your primary female experience comes from a woman ensconced in a secure (beta -like), providing relationship. Encapsulated in that dynamic there are aspects to the female nature you will never truly experience; which grant a whole other level of understanding of the female nature; and which cannot be replicated by an other means than first hand experience.

[–]Sworbo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

But ... aren't arguments where we agree just more fun?

I will never know women the way the OP does. If my wife stays committed to me and puts out frequently ... hopefully I'll never have to.

It's also why I generally don't give a lot of relationship advice, I know my sample set is small.

But I do generally find it worthwhile learning how to be a better captain of ship.

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As a side note: there are a number of people in TRP who believe that what you have can be preserved, even with your now going out and obtaining a soft harem--if you're where you need to be as a man. Those people will debate with you whether your "moral" choice not to do that is in fact a cop out as to your terror of losing. Some of those will actually tell you that accepting where you are now is a disservice to your wife. Why? Because women would rather share a winner than have a loser to themselves. She would rather be with you when you are at that level, even if that means you're cheating, than be with you as you are now, even though this means you won't cheat.

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[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Part of my remodelling of myself involved realizing, that I essentially am a selfish prick, as is everybody, and that there is no such thing as an inherently "good man" since we all have our own agenda that we follow and even people acting altruistic at first glance, still have something they get out of it and if it is just the feeling of being superior to all the other "assholes on the planet" or pleasing their religion.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (12 children)

So say i'm dating this girl and i'm viewing things as a mutual beneficial plating. I plate and she gets to be AWALT. Suddenly girl starts to pull weird manipulation tricks to get something out of me. Next she asks to meet up for a booty call and half way through the night she says she has to be somewhere and leaves. My gut tells me she's fucking another guy besides me. She acts like nothing happened the day afterward and wants to schedule another date. Following your line of logic I should go along with this since it's female nature and I'm just enjoying the bang right?

Personally I'd be more inclined to ghost or hard next the girl because it's undermines my position with her and shows no respect.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 2 points3 points  (11 children)

It's none of your business whom your plates fuck besides of you.

Also you don't "spend the night together" with a plate as it triggers pair bonding mechanisms and just means drama on both sides.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (10 children)

No I mean half way through the fucking she gets up and leaves because she has to do something. Like I sate in my comment, I would not consider it my business what my plate does besides me. But when I am asked to devote a bit of time to her and hook up and she leaves mid-hook up I would consider that to be over the line. What would you have done?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

That is a hypothetic situation and nothing even closely to this ever happened to me and I don't think it ever will.

With my plates I set up a date, we meet and we fuck in between the first ten minutes of meeting, mostly right away. IDGAF what they do after I nutted. It is highly unlikely that they will leave in the twenty minutes it takes from undressing to nutting on their face.

Since I usually do not have plans afterwards as well, they can leave and do whatever the fuck they want, regardless of what they asked me beforehand. Although I also do not invite plates to my house, but always visit them at theirs.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (4 children)

It's not a hypothetical situation though. This actually happened to me. I deployed full asshole game on a girl and figured she was a lost cause pretty early on. Never gave an inch of affection or attention. She pushed and pushed, always changing the subject in a committal way. Sometimes she would even suggest I was just afraid to fall for her. Again, I never went there but she did. Over and over again. I have a habit of going silent on girls that bore me or mean little to my beyond plate status but this girl always re-initiated contact. And one time out of the blue she pulled that stunt and it completely blindsided me. Never happened to me before and I instantly cut things off. No girl gets to manipulate me by giving my blue balls. She panicked and tried to compliment her way back in my good graces but was firmly shut down when she saw I had a new girl on tap ready to replace her. Thankfully haven't heard from her since. My point being, I think I handled this the correct way.

Since you advocate no-strings-attached plating and having no concern for her other activities I simply wondered what a person like you would have done. And if you would have continued plating her regardless of this manipulative/disrespectful move. Since you say one shouldn't give any fucks.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I would have taught her much much earlier by applying soft nexts for creating drama.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Also why visit their place and not let them come to yours. Doesn't that create unfavorable conditions and take away your options and time. I prefer to have them come over with food and lingerie.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Because I am a lazy fucker who likes to live in his own dirt. Let aside that leaving a place is much easier than having somebody leave place who does not want to. The last 1,5 years no plate has ever known my exact place of living as well. The less they know, the better.

I also like them to wear lingerie and have something cooked.

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[–]Bear-With-Bit 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Not married, don't have kids, not looking for either, so perhaps I don't have much of a footing here.

Just want to share that "m = trp on hard mode" and giving a pass to married men in regards to running soft harem feels a bit inconsistent.

Unmarried guy? "Soft harem or you're not real rp."

Married guy? "It's up to you. Because m = rp on hard mode."

I admire trp because of its binary principle. All men should lift. All men should hold frame. All men should be leaders. All men should purse an alpha sexual strategy.

But married men can or cannot have a soft harem, it's up to each man. However, all unmarried men should have a soft harem, or they're not true rp.

I get it if you're a MM-- you got responsibilites, just not practical to spin plates, even if your wife was okay with it.

But because I see TRP as a binary principle, I may be in the minority where RP and marriage may have very minimal overlap, if any at all.

Can an EC or mod help me here?

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[–]Bear-With-Bit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, such a clear definition.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey a SPT post that I have no disagreement with. You should be endorsed!

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well there's a reason behind it.

Running a family as the "badass patriarch" is still executing female endgame strategy. You at best, just share in the benefits.

Once you realize that point, easily 80% of families are bullshit.

Is she treating you like the man that made her dreams come true and thanking you every day for that? Does she act like she won the lottery because you let her?

Again, for 80% of guys in the arrangement, that answer is no.

Once you have kids you realize just how important the concept of freedom is for the red pill.

Once you realize that men raising their children is a historical exception to the rule, you feel far less bad about moving on.

Source, have kids, am treated well after a severe unplugging. But still require the ability to get play on the side.

Until you fully understand and comprehend what I'm saying here, you're still heavily steeped in dogma.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm married, have kids, and a pretty OK life. I've unplugged

Same here. And get off my lawn. I look at it not so much how to change my reality, though it has in ways, but rather as an explanation for why my life has been as it has been. The good, the bad and the wtf. All of it. Obviously, we don't have this figured out 100%, but so far it has been the best retrospective source I have encountered.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 53 points54 points  (8 children)

In the Matrix the Red Pill is something that takes you out of the Virtual Realty and into the horrific truth that is the Real. In the Matrix that truth is that evil Robots are ass raping everybody while they sleep in a pink tubs of cum. The Real has to be horrific because if it wasn't there wouldn't be a need to dissociate into the virtual.

The Real is so traumatic that people need to cognitively disassociate in order to understand it. For Marines that means saying things like Kill Bodies and not thinking about the collateral too much. For us here at Red Pill that means saying things like *she's not yours it's just your turn and laughing.

And herein lies the problem with MGTOW rather than understanding the truth and having ironic humorous distance they stare headlong into the Real. They stare headlong into the Sun of female sexuality without first putting on their humor sunglasses.

So I guess the moral here is that if you are a humorless self important Cuck like Paul Elam you lack the ability to see the truth and not go blind. Dorks are horrible at disassociation that's why they can't go for a simple jog without crying.

In conclusion you gotta grab life by the pussy without thinking too much about who's pussy.

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In the Matrix that truth is that evil Robots are ass raping everybody while they sleep in a pink tubs of cum.

Confirmed in director's commentary of special edition DVD.

they stare headlong into the Real.

Don't just stare at it, they look and say "It's wrong and I'm not letting it play with my ball anymore."

They stare headlong into the Sun of female sexuality without first putting on their humor sunglasses.

Pornhub was never a market-force until the MGTOW movement...just saying...

In conclusion you gotta grab life by the pussy without thinking too much about who's pussy.

Stay away from my anime pillow.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Pornhub was never a market-force until the MGTOW movement...just saying...

C'mon, you can't really believe that MGTOW has played a noteworthy role in the rise of big porn sites.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you extend MGTOW to mean the general worldwide wave of men choosing to give up on attracting women, then yeah, sure, it really does. For example in Japan entire porn sectors have boomed in sync with the growth of the "herbivore men" epidemic which is essentially the original MGTOW. Pornhub becoming like an alexa top 10 site is definitely related to the spread of MGTOW-LIKE ideas taking root in many different societies. Yes, it's a stretch to lump all of these in with MGTOW, but it is really the same fucking thing isn't it, men who've decided that putting effort into attracting women isn't worth it for them.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

No of course not! I was just joking.

The MGTOW contingent is not a significant enough number to make even a small difference to their viewership numbers.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Ok then, just another case of Poe's law (look it up)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thought you meant Godwin's Law for a minute but then I remembered what Poe's Law is...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had never heard of that one before, gave me a good laugh.

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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Sometimes I want Senpai to notice me, but I can't be bothered to leave the house.

Don't judge my LTR pillow man.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's not like I like you or anything, b-baka!

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (25 children)

If you gonna go MTGOW, have a picture of yourself in good shape, getting your dick sucked. Several of em in fact.

[–]prodigy2throw 49 points50 points  (17 children)

The only TRUE MGTOW I have ever seen is Henry Rollins. Dude never had kids, doesn't fuck with women and just travels the world doing badass shit.

He's not MGTOW because he hates women he's MGTOW because he has a bigger journey and having a woman's bullshit to deal with would only slow him down.

[–]brewmastermonk 13 points14 points  (10 children)

He's also aspie as fuck

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Dude. "Sperg" is the preferred nomenclature.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

tourist.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

holy shit dude

sorry you have to work so hard. no joke.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I'll throw up any hate mail. will entertain at least. only called a cuck twice so far

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meh, I got banned once . but the kids are funny.

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[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Terrence Popp

Upvote for mentioning him. Definetly worth checking out for people who do not know him. https://www.youtube.com/user/redonkulaspopp

TRP is essentially MGTOW, only difference is we don't mind playing the game if it suits us

Absolutely this. That's why I actually laugh at "MGTOW" who regard it to be something different than TRP. MGTOW is a subset of TRP and not another "movement", which bith of them never were by the way.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

For most men, 'Going their own way' these days is just another way of saying "I'm lost and don't know what the fuck I'm doing."

OP nails it.

[–]the_number_2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"I can't get women anyway, so I'll say it's my 'choice' to not get laid and act all stoic and people will think I'm pensive and then fuck me. Right?... ... ... right?"

[–]JackGetsIt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (12 children)

I do agree you need the experience of spinning plates to truly unplug and experience the power of non monogamy is helps when you enter a LTR and know you can easily just fuck other women regularly. That being said some of us enjoy ltr's. I enjoy the company ability to learn about myself and how to keep gaming constantly to keep it going. It's a challenge and I love it. I don't think trp is this cut and dry thing where you need to he 100% non-monogamy. I'm enjoying my freedom atm. But both spectrums offer value if your willing to learn. Great post! Wish you'd post more van.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Nothing wrong with enjoying LTRs. They surely got their upsides.

Great post! Wish you'd post more van.

Thanks. Well, I have many drafts, but to be honest the language barrier (I am German) is a bitch sometimes and allows me to excuse the procrastination to myself way too comfortably.

I am also really bad at structuring my thoughts in a comprehensible way sometimes.

I had this post opened in the editor with the first three sentences written down for the last three weeks and then I just wrote the rest in one hour.

I too am guilty of thinking too much and doing too little sometimes...

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I follow alot of your posts on ask-trp and here when we are lucky enough. The community needs guys with your experience right now more then ever. Your posts have definitely helped me over the years. Nothing wrong with a language barrier it was still an easily digested post,this sub needs some German efficiency anyways.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your posts have definitely helped me over the years.

That good to hear and the reason why I keep showing up there.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing wrong with enjoying LTRs.

I don't now how "never marry" (in the current socio-political environment) got turned into never have a relationship with so many people. Simplistic thinking, I guess.

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[–]poisedStygian 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Rollo Tomassi is married too.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 10 points11 points  (4 children)

If you have read the sidebar material and maybe one book about game, like i.e. "Models" by Mark Manson, you know enough in order to succeed with women.

God I wish that was true.

Some men are just fucked up beyond that.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Notice how I wrote "you know enough in order to..." and not "you will..."?

[–]Snazzy_Serval 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Yes you are correct that you wrote that.

But even then, is it really enough?

Maybe it's due to a lack of comprehension or simply being unable to relate.

I've read Models and listened to the audio book and it didn't mesh with me. I'm currently rereading the sidebar, as I was inspired by your post and read up to Confessions of a Reformed Incel. That was really good for the vast majority of it until he magically fucks a stripper and he lives happily ever after.

I'm on to the next article.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Keep reading and internalizing. You will not be able to succeed without just going out in the world and doing though.

You can learn all about fighting there is to know through books. Anatomy, strategy, technique, mindset, etc. pp. You can parctice the stuff you learned over and over again in front of the mirror via shadow boxing or drilling katas, however at some point you will have to go sparring in order to really internalize and learn hot to apply it under pressure. And even then, you might still not be able to recall the shit you spent learning for years in the moment you actually fight, even in the "safe" space of let's say an MMA octagon. You might win, but you might also loose. You'll only know afterwards though and no matter what the outcome, you'll be a better man and fighter afterwards. Even just five minutes under fire are more valuable the months of training really hard.

There is no point where you feel like "Now I know it. I finally got it." That point never comes. Everytime you come close, some other problems, you never would have thought about without the knowledge you possess at that very point, pop up.

Lift to get in a good shape and just start gaming women. The rest will come over time. My coach likes to say: "All that matters is that you fight as violent as possible within the rules. Winning will come later."

[–]Shaman6624 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you've read models you know that you have to do theory and practice in tandem. So read some, try it out, back to the drawing board. Repeat.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (12 children)

This is where the red pill has gone wrong. We need posts about how awesome men can be. We fucking built the world. Look at every single building you drive by, men built them, look at the roads - men, space travel-men, electric cars -men, yes some woman were involved but 95% of civilization was built by alpha men leading the way. The men we need to be. Yes, pussy comes from being alpha and learning game, but we've lost the focus on alpha and sum it up as "lift" and only seem to focus on game and even that is 80% "how do I get her back" instead of "how do I become the baddest motherfucker that pussy is going to crave?"

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Shall I suggest you join one or several of these subs:

  • masculinity
  • manprovement
  • becomeaman

Where you can discuss masculinity and how to achieve male greatness with fellow men, without having to sit through the pesky focus on sexual strategy that makes up theredpill.

[–]Mickusey 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That shit was actually built by beta men. That's what modern western civilization entails, or entailed. Monogamy; in exchange for working for the collective society, a beta man gets access to his very own pussy which he can have children with and release his sexual energy upon. Natural alphas were the guys who could sit around and get pussy and resources while doing next to nothing because they were alpha men, in contrast betas constantly worked for everyone else in an attempt to gain pussy that way. Guaranteed pussy means he's going to contribute more. Of course, society used to guarantee this with established social structures, but with the modern feminist movement and several other factors the concept of a practically guaranteed partner and monogamy are not really relevant anymore. This is now why you have so many more beta incels, but most of them spend their time whining about how the fantasy promised to them doesn't correlate with reality rather than learning their way around reality itself.

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[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Well I do own a construction company so....

[–]FormlessAllness 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So you get betas to do the work for you

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This is where the red pill has gone wrong.

This is where you went wrong. This sub has always been foremostly about sexual strategy.

All the shit you describe, what do you think it is that drove men to do it? Exactly. Pussy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

yes some woman were involved but 95% of civilization was built by alpha men leading the way

Honest question, not trying to troll here: couldn't women rebutt this by saying that they were not given the chance to express their talent due to being oppressed up until recently?

[–]Andramoiennepe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

They could sure. But they'd be wrong. Despite pushing girls into STEM, for example, very few succeed. That sort of thinking is not in accord with most women. Clearly there are exceptions, and that is a benefit of the world we live in. It is more a meritocracy than even before. If you have the talent, more than any other era of human history, you are given the opportunity (with no concern as to gender). The problem is assuming these exceptions are the rule. There was a recent study demonstrating, for example, that the average man could build IKEA furniture without instructions faster than the average woman could with. Building is in our (I.e. Man's nature. Hard wired. All the ideology in the world won't change that biological trait. As long as nature continues to make women the baby carriers (i.e. Forever), they will continue to excel in some areas as compared to men (nurturing, e.g.) but will suffer in others (e.g. Track and field and engineering).

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's basically the excuse in the current year. Except that apparently they are still being "oppressed". Which conveniently explains why they're still making up only 5% of world leaders, top CEOs, economic nobel prizes, top entrepreneurs, etc.

The reality is that those very top leadership position need an extreme level of intelligence, dedication and specific skills, which not everyone has, including 99.9% of the male population.

The funny thing in all that, is that the day our modern feminist society manages to impose 50% of women in all top positions, 99.9% of women will still not be able to get there. So they'll complain about something else.

[–]DarwinianKEKistani 6 points7 points  (1 child)

How long did it take to write that wall of text above? Silly. Go lift and bang. Stop bitching about what others do or don't do. Beta!

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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[–]rockmasterflex 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You narcissistic serial monogamists are following closely though. "Muh. I do not date sluts. Muh." How the fuck will you even know what type of bitch you are dealing with after meeting her two times and then throwing your commitment at her?

I liked this a lot, thanks.

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[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is that there has formed a division of 2-3 groups that follow different goals. Those who want to bang hoes are right to want to do so. But this can be done out of a red pill or blue pill mindset. There are those, insecure types who never got much poon to begin with but felt ego invested to have success in this area. To them TRP means a way to be validated in their pursuit to finally complete their ego paradox. Other men have no internal negative reasons to want to spin plates but simply enjoy it for what it is. To them monogamy isn't appealing in casual sex is just one way to enhance their otherwise busy lives. Perfectly reasonable.

Meanwhile the same happens with the committal man. You have the serial monogamist who can't be alone and feels a void when he is. Having a girl on solid tap is a way for him to avoid competition and the rough realities and pains of masculine life. To such a man TRP is a way to self actualize his internal fear of being alone and without external love. This is just as toxic as the ego invested wannabe pussy-slayer. But there are also those who already have a family, children. Or those who have experienced the 'harem' and found that it lost meaning. The idea of finding a suitable partner, as impossible as this might be in our modern society, is a worthwhile and red pilled goal.

The problem is that these groups see themselves for being the red pilled for why they do it, while assuming the other group is following their goal for blue pill reasons. Ie: those guys just want to fuck because they worship pussy and these guys are serial monogamist unicorn hunters.

Not trying to understand each other and even learn from the other groups goals would be a disservice to ones red pilled journey and could cause greater rifts.

Not everyone enjoys being monogamous and not everyone wants to hop from meaningless fuckbuddy to meaningless fucktoy all their lives. Just like some people love cars and other people love motorbikes. Arguing which one is actually better is pointless.

[–]Scandinavianredpill 44 points45 points  (50 children)

Alot of swearing, alot of shaming. I am MGTOW spinning 3 plates - you sound like an angry teenager. This used to be a place with quality posts. But now it's guys like you that want to have this talk, instead of talking about principles. The fact that you are so OBSESSED with women, tells me you aren't getting enough. You know guys can move past your way of thinking and into improvement for themselves while knowing about female nature. No one has time to spin 3+ plates all year round. You will eventually have to find replacements (as I have done once in a month) as they figure out what you are doing. Spinning plates is something you should do while you take some time for it, its not a permanent thing (no one can do that shit permanently without having their life suffer)..

I got a shocking Idea for a guy like you. focus less about what the hell others are doing and just focus solely on what is holding you back. TRP used to be a good place to get insights into self improvement, now it's becoming a pussy worshipping palace..

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 23 points24 points  (6 children)

TRP used to be a good place to get insights into self improvement, now it's becoming a pussy worshipping palace..

I warned about this over a year ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3rogkh/mod_if_you_bitch_and_moan_im_a_throw_you_out/cwqca4t/

[–]Staunch_Moderate 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I've been lurking here for maybe 2 years. I don't comment much, let alone post, because as far as I'm concerned I don't know shit. How do the newer people help the community? I feel like I should just stay silent while I consume as much information as possible and work on developing myself.

[–]JackGetsIt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

How do the newer people help the community?

Sounds like you're doing that. By not adding anything that you don't think brings value you've kept the quality high. There's a difference between noise and music and lots of subs are all noise. As you continue to read you can upvote quality, downvote bullshit and somewhere down the line you might have something unique to contribute. By continuing to develop yourself I'm sure that will be sooner then later!

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Just read that post - it was really good.

Gels with a lot of MSM politics as well I think, competent people don't want to run for a seat because they know they'll just get harangued by wankers...so there's only wankers left to run for seats.

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Plato called it thousands of years ago:

One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No surprise there.

People were then as people are now, we've just got more fancy circuitry stuffed in our pockets and wear things that are stitched together more tightly.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Shall I suggest you join one or several of these subs:

  • masculinity
  • manprovement
  • becomeaman

Where you can discuss masculinity and self improvement with fellow men, without having to sit through the pesky focus on sexual strategy that makes up theredpill.

[–]prodigy2throw 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Not quite sure what your beef is with this post...

[–]2IVIaskerade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

alot of shaming.

Yeah no shit. Some people need to be shamed.

[–]jouzaa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Please be irony.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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[–]Bear-With-Bit 8 points9 points  (2 children)

a lot of swearing

Jesus Lonzo Christ, you don't know what locker room talk is. You've never played sports? Holy fuck no wonder we have so many retards here.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 2 points3 points  (11 children)

OP is getting one, the MGTOW attitude doesn't jive with sexual strategy. He does contribute often, and isn't a retard, so a week.

I would suggest he works on frame, takes the bait too easily, please don't shit up modmail.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the irony in this post.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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[–]Bear-With-Bit 0 points1 point  (4 children)

a lot of shaming

Unlike most subs, TRP has right and wrong, there is a clear and absolute line. Respect it or get the fuck out. This includes everyone who is upvoting this comment.

[–]Scandinavianredpill 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I understand it's about sexual strategy. The best sexual strategy is knowing the nature of women and putting yourself first and being that high value man she is wired to be attracted to. It's not about making a post to shame sub groups. I wholeheartedly think that being a man that takes responsibility, understands female nature and is not afraid to lead is gonna produce better results than focusing intensely on what any given woman is doing. Putting yourself first and focusing on yourself is something women can feel when interacting with you. I am never afraid to talk to a beautiful woman and represent my opinions on subjects. If she dislikes them I know there are tons of women like her in a mile radius. I have dated alot on tinder actually and I have not once tried to meet up with a woman (beautiful women), that would not like to meet me again. However I don't try to pull a 8-10 into bed with the first message, I meet first a public place and then shortly after we are going home (most of the time).

You see talking about principles, female nature, lifting or any other self improvement is gonna push us further. Trying to be the best keyboard warrior won't.

[–]Bear-With-Bit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is why enlisted men hate their officers in the military so often. 'Paper pushers' who don't know shit and shit but often spewing horseshit about 'strategy.'

Be a man, have some dignity, walk away from here and start your own sub.

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The best sexual strategy

Hamster translation: "Mine is better than yours. But let me smear it here for all you idiots to learn."

Eat a dick.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 10 points11 points  (5 children)

 

I remember a couple of years ago when the "MGTOW Cult" started to become a big thing.

It didn't make any sense the way these folks were talking because they were "so excited" to finally give up the quest to fuck women. (many being actual virgins)

At the time I argued we shouldn't even have such a sub cult as MGTOW because it divided one group against another.

As I recall it's "original" meaning was:

 

  • "Men Going Their Own Way" it basically meant "Think For Yourself".

 

How it went from "Think For Yourself" to "Eternal Celebacy" was in itself a strange journey which I'm not sure has ever been documented.

 

  • Who was the originator of the "MGTOW Cult"?

 

...that question might be lost to history.

 

Myself being fascinated by crimes and conspiracies I've even wondered if the "MGTOW Cult" was somehow designed as a meme to undermine the Red Pill, but without evidence there are no leads to follow. Evidence of who, what, when and where would help. Sort of a GnosticMedia.com like investigation into how the "MGTOW Cult" was launched would be great.

 

[–]askmrcia 7 points8 points  (1 child)

  • Who was the originator of the "MGTOW Cult"?

I'm not sure, but I discovered mgtow before the red pill. It was on YouTube after seeing "mgtow" repeatedly on videos, particularly the gold digging prank videos.

This guy named sandman was the guy I noticed at the time (three years ago) who had the most videos and subs on mgtow.

I personally do like the concept of mgtow. Because in a way it goes hand to hand with red pill.

To me mgtow means, just focusing on yourself and not getting tied down with marriage. That's it. Celibacy and all of that stuff doesn't factor in to it.

Red pill means to me is seeing how the world is. That's it. Just being aware.

People can take those and run with it, whether it means living like Dan Brazilian, fuckin multiple plates, or open ltrs. Whatever.

But yea you're right, I don't like how guys are hijacking mgtow and making it seem like it's a movement of fat Virgins becoming herbivore men.

The same way I don't like guys saying they're red pill when all they do is brag about how many women they slept with and while at the same time constantly bitchin women ain't shit.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

 

As I recall the original interpretation and general timeline went like:

 

  • Blue Pill beta male discovers the Red Pill sub.

  • Over time the beta understands he was deceived by the Blue Pill mythology.

  • The Anger Phase is the point at which the waking up has begun.

  • A recognition that "peer pressure" is what got the beta in trouble by believing the Blue Pill in the first place so some new way to gain wisdom is recognized as being needed.

  • MGTOW is when this "new way" is taken to heart and you begin to "Think For Yourself". I like pointing out that the Trivium Method (first three parts of the Seven Liberal Arts) actually gets you to "Think For Yourself" so there is a long standing tradition that goes along with "Free Thought"

  • Game is first really introduced as the path to manipulate reality and be able to compete with the default manipulative nature of women and win against it.

  • Frame is to retain the objective reality and not become a male psychopath who is in a sense identical to women inside. The male psychopath who goes "too far" into manipulation faces the same "vices" as women and can get equally as lost. This is how you get pedophiles in high places because they have lost all grounding in themselves. Generally we push the "stoic masculine male" ideal and that's very down to earth. The psychopaths believe in complete relativism, so there is no "rock" to adhere to.

 

I don't think everyone follows this and some might choose other directions for themselves, but that's my overview of it.

 

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

"Get in shape, fire up tinder and find out for yourself what kind of shallow, boring, iloyal, impulsive, cheap, cheating, self-entitled, superficial, annoying assholes most of the bitches out there are."

Haha. Already did that with the exception of looking at gutter whores on your shitty applications you fucking kids are plugged into.

Haha. Ban me fuckers. I'll spend my time on T_D and MGTOW.

And for all the fucking 2 dollar horseshit you guys sell in this sub, have fun with your legal issues.

There's a reason I don't read this garbage here, and 90% of you are a hop, skip and a jump from a expensive lawyer and a sexual assault charge.

MGTOW IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO. BUT KEEP MAINTAINING FRAME!!!

Ban me too if you jokers want. I haven't read this sub, and removed my subscription years ago.

Keep putting that pussy on that pedestal. It's actually the only thing you dudes are good at.

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[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is one of those statements that are plausible, but in practice, always come from guys who get none.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is always a place in the gay community for you.

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[–]AnythingForSuccess 6 points7 points  (8 children)

Edge: the post.

A bit too long of a post from a self-proclaimed "slayer", don't you think?

I would argue that true slayers don't even know what reddit is.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I would argue that you don't know shit about slayers.

[–]AnythingForSuccess 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The guys who post these walls of text are far from slayers as we are from Mars. Slayers don't have to attention spam to spout anything like that and devote it to an anonymous online forum. They simply don't care. They don't need to follow TRP, they just are.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The recent influx of motherfuckers who act as unicorn hunters, "MGTOW" or MRA support group feel-good pussies (I do not know which is the worse fate to be honest) in the mainsub just underlines the need of somebody outright telling you...

Can't have it both ways fella, claiming pride in the sub growing on one hand and complaining about the quality of new people on the other - not that I think you do that, I've never seen it or have reason to suspect - just a general truism.

When the first MGTOW arose, they rose from the crowd of Chads, not angry Incels

This was my initial impression of it. The term and it's use have been subverted lately.

Not having raged on the toilet over reading about some cunt getting the pussy pass in a courtroom. Not laying in the gras with your girlfriend, argueing about what forms the clouds resemble. Not sitting in your basement, typing flaming hateposts about 3rd wave feminists for your fellow fatties with your cheetoh crusted fingers. And most certainly not coming here, trying to shame Alpha Chads for chadding all they can.

I disagree, this is my go-to tactic and it serves me damn well.

You cannot be MGTOW if you do not posses the capabilities and knowledge of a pussy-slayer. Sitting at you computer at 350 lbs, and deciding that you are going your own way from now on, between chugging a gallon of Mountain Dew and shouting at your mom while jacking of to midget trannies pissing at each other, is just the same as dying of thirst in the desert and proclaiming that you'll never drink water again from now on.

Perfect, too perfect. It's like being born without legs and then proclaiming you're ideologically opposed to walking.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Can't have it both ways fella, claiming pride in the sub growing on one hand and complaining about the quality of new people on the other

It's happening in waves. I'd say it's like in january you got all the fatties flooding the gym, who will then go on raging in feburary about how hanging out in the gym and drinking whey shakes by the gallon does not do anything for them and that all other people must inevitably be on steroids, but latest by march, they are gone and are back to binge watching netflix and everybody has their peace.

I do not write stuff like this for the people I mention in there, well except the guys who need a kick in the ass in order to advance, but for the other fatties that came to the gym and are serious about making a change for their life, but are in danger of getting caught by the crab-bucket mentality of the loosers.

I am still around and putting up with this kind of shit, because I genuinly hope that I can help people make a change for the better in their life. I come from the bottom and I know how it feels to be hopeless and to regard yourself to be broken beyond repair, but I also know that there is a way out. It's a small, steep and winding trail through the mountains and not a broad main street, but there is one.

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I am still around and putting up with this kind of shit, because I genuinly hope that I can help people make a change for the better in their life. I come from the bottom and I know how it feels to feel hopeless and broken beyond repair, but I also know that there is a way out.

Arguably, it is only those who've been through the latter that know the potential of the former.

I get you weren't addressing the general masses here, but there are cases where someone long-standing on here brags about the size of the sub in one day whilst bemoaning the quality in the other.

Sarcasm aside, I thought you did very well Analogising the MGTOW bro's - not that they're all bad or closet Incel's of course.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

not that they're all bad or closet Incel's of course

Of course they aren't. The ones who feel the need to come here and to asktrp in order to try and push their own agenda are though.

[–]stampadbag 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"This sub's first and most important purpose has always been to get guys in a physical and mental state to be ready to fully blossom in their masculinity"

I see a lot of "getting there" references in your post, IE you dont know someone within a time frame, then what is an example time frame? you are citing all variables. Can you swallow the pill WHILE you are getting in the best physical shape and staying in your frame? I think so.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

you dont know someone within a time frame, then what is an example time frame?

I can tell you for me: Five years (of which I spent maybe three here) and still counting. I started literally from the gutter on the verge of wanting to off myself and had to find out about some conditions, which significantly slowed my progress down (namely thyroid and low T) though, so I am maybe not the best example. Took me way longer than I'd suspect that somebody who is healthy and of average built and mental state would need. I'd say one year before you see some real changes and two years until you are really successful is absolutely realistic. Some guys also just need that wakeup call and are good at it right from the start. Hard work beats talent though, when talent doesn't work hard.

It's still a marathon and not a sprint though and the journey also never ends. There is left so much things to do, so many women to fuck, so many things to know, so many good dudes to befriend and so many places to conquer and lastly so many guys to help on their feet, I don't see an end to this. Let aside your goals shift over time, when you realize what you are capable of achieving.

And there is some good news as well: I can assure you that if I can do it, everybody can.

[–]BassNet 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Does anyone else dislike the idea of a girl you're fucking going around and fucking other dudes? I mean yeah she's not mine it's only my turn but I'd like to keep that 'turn' as long as possible. That's actually the only reason I really want to be in an LTR, because there's a certain amount of trust that the only people we're fucking is eachother. I don't entirely understand it myself, maybe it's a fetish or something, but I want to be the only guy she's fucking.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Jealousy is a powerful feeling and wanting to have exclusive access to an uterus maybe the foundation of civilization. So no, you are not alone.

It's illusionary though.

[–]2IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Muh. I do not date sluts. Muh.

I don't.

These 'tards confuse "date" with "any kind of relationship". Yeah, I spend time in her company and enjoy it. That's because sex is enjoyable.

[–]MyBlackGirl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol I'm totally one of those asshats he's talking about and I'm glad he made this post because he's totally right

[–]Fuck_A_Baby 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I like to read the posts on here but I'm confused by the flair "slayers" have. How do you even get it, submit videos of all the arc you're having or do you just have to submit lots of aggressive sounding posts. I joke but in all seriousness explain it to me.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Go and do, come back and post high quality content, consistently. do this with Rule 0 as the focus.

It's not a club, it's a filtering tool, so readers get a general idea who knows what they are talking about. EC's don't all hang out, and most of us aren't particularly fond of each other.

All you have to do is read and do stuff written on the subject, and swap notes about what worked and what didn't

[–]648262 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're the cool gang you remember from high school. You have to talk cool, act cool and be cool. And then tell others if what they're saying is cool or not.

We cool?

[–]All_Ads_Deceive 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Seems like the TRT is kicking in. Enjoy

[–]TheLegionnaire00 6 points7 points  (8 children)

Everything is 100% true, although I would advise guys to be careful with Tinder, some dude I know just got a STD from a bitch from tinder. Tinder is full of bitches with STDs who still ride the CC.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

If you are a professional chef, you will most likely cut your finger at some time.

[–]Omnibrad 13 points14 points  (5 children)

As a man who has cut his finger working professionally as a chef, it is stupid comparing a cut which heals in a few days to an STD like herpes which is with you for life.

[–]TheLegionnaire00 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also true, I just advised for caution. Guys should never go without rubber to fuck bitches if they don't know them for some time, especially from Tinder.

[–]jumpinglane 3 points4 points  (5 children)

oh man, TRP became so much more than "discussion about sexual strategy".

For many men out there this place is the only place to discuss MASCULINE IDENTITY IN GENERAL.

people flock these subs because they are lost in a female-centric, men-discriminating western society.

TRP IS MUCH MORE THAN SEXUAL STRATEGY, WETHER YOU WANT IT OR NOT.

These boys need fucking guidance.

I remember redpillschool once commenting that you mods know how frustrated young people arrive here and you let them vent just for the sake of it. At which point exactly have you lost this mindset?

[–]Bear-With-Bit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

let them vent just for the sake of it

Basic training wouldn't be a good place to vent. Neither is this. Those who are genuinely trying will ask good questions on asktrp, in the right way, with respect, just as a trainee would to his drill sergent.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They can get it, they can't tell people they are avoiding sex and women, thats a crab bucket

[–]RedPillAccount69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These boys need fucking guidance.

Which is why they need to be told that MGTOW is a cancer.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's one thing to seek guidance and vent your frustration.

It's another matter entirely to change a working system just so they can fit in. They're free to read the content, but this is not a safe space.

[–]Bear-With-Bit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are many places for men to discuss self improvement, but only a few to discuss sexual strategy, this being one of them. If you're compromising the goal of this forum, you are male hamstering. GTFO. Or at least don't comment and simply lurk.

[–]proof_of_vlaze 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Best TRP post since I joined.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

You must have joined pretty recently. (not that the post is bad, it's good)

[–]proof_of_vlaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah i thought that was implied (joined about a month ago)

[–]NihilistMonkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope "second wave MGTOW" gains traction as a phrase because it is such an apt parallel. Where the initial waves of feminism and MGTOW were both solving real problems on each end of the spectrum respectively, new wave feminism and MGTOW have very little to offer. They instead play the victim card while simultaneously trying to reframe reality in a way that soothes their ego without having to take an introspective look. If they did that, they might realize that they are in fact the arbiter of their successes and failures, and then they might actually have to either make real change in their life or come to terms with their own fragility. Sounds scary, much easier to engage in self delusion.

[–]FormlessAllness -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You can't choose to go your own way when you literally don't have the option to fuck women. You're choosing nothing and quite frankly I hate you. You being a bitch and are probably a waste of life. Only someone that can slay and fuck different pussy daily and has proved it can go there own way. The op is dead on. You can't love your wife unless you have the ability to replace her in an instant. You can't choose to like water, you need it. These bitches ass men need to man the fuck up.

[–]ADeadDawg 1 point2 points  (8 children)

fuck is the fascination with blonde white chicks? tight little Asian girls for the win

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 9 points10 points  (4 children)

For me, it's tight little chicks. What color they are doesn't matter as much as their shape. I like fucking all the colors. I've had a girl of every color and continent. Blondes are ok, Asian girls are ok too, being blue eyed light skin with German ancestry, I happen to like the dark girls best.

[–]ADeadDawg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm also of German decent.. I tend to gravitate toward the darker more exotic girls as well

[–]Galactic-Unicorn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Green eyed redheads are where it's at.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like to taste everything on the menu as well. Went through my Scando phase, Asian girl phase, black girl phase. I just like exotic beuaties.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've had a girl of every color and continent

So you've fucked a government scientist on Antarctica? Sailed from South America, South Africa, or Australia for some Antarctic pussy?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

tight little Asian girls

I like them when they got user-friendly sizing.

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[–]hornportal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post OP. Newcomer here.

I'm only 3 months unplugged, but I've since dropped 25 lbs, I'm going to start lifting soon and I'll keep my mouth shut til I've actually practiced some game.

I'll check out "Models". Currently reading "The Game by Neil Strauss".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've only had one plate last a year. We got divorced around the same time and started banging. Her life fell apart as she got back on the CC. Sent her kids to the grand parents, gained weight and lost her job. I had to bring out the phone recorder because she said she was going to tell the cops I raped her because I would not give her gas money.

Most plates fall off around 3-4 months as they either get tired of the same ol thing, or think that they are relationship material because they've been putting out for months

[–]throwaway19651964 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A-fuckin-amen. Your post is pure gold and all truth.

[–]imbeciI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good article, thanks for your input.

Now, one thing about the contributions TRP has are that they lengthy and require a good amount of time to read and comprehend. Sometimes, more and one read is necessary to process all the information, thesis and truths laid out. Now, why do they have a TL;DR at the end?. Life doesn't have shortcuts. The road to self-improvement doesn't have shortcuts. Trying to find an easy way to do things it's the most unmanly behavior a male could display, if you could, why don’t you add some recommendations and conclusions at the end of your article? We do have a fresh amount of readers every day, they seek information and help, if they can’t handle a wall of text they do have an even bigger issue in their hands.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I'm struggling to understand some guys on here who just parrot about fucking hoes. Implying they are somehow fucking a fuckton of pussy whilst everyone else circle jerks on the internet. There is no discussion here, just a different mindset. I'm all aboard the fucking multiple girls train. I agree wholeheartedly that female nature is universal but resides on a scale. Going from least to most extreme, just like men go from Super Alpha ZGF Chad to Beta Dadbod Cuck Billy.

For example this line

Get in shape, fire up tinder and find out for yourself what kind of shallow, boring, iloyal, impulsive, cheap, cheating, self-entitled, superficial, annoying assholes most of the bitches out there are.

Even you admit OP, that there are some who are less so and some who are more so. I would argue that women are bad quality due to the current times, just like men are low quality. I'm curious if you truly would disagree on me with that.

Allot of guys might swallow half a red pill while maintaining illusions of unicorns and happily ever after girlfriends. I know these people, I understand their optimism and I know the fault that lies within it. But I can also relate to the idea that after meeting allot of boring worthless disposable cunts I might run into a brand new car with zero millage and good insurance. I know god damn well that this is only temporarily, giving the the ride a maximum of 4 years if not less. But the idea still appeals to me.

I'm really curious though since you definitely fall in the batch of guys who simply advocate hardcore red pill truths and a lifestyle of plating relentless and nothing else. Are there no other aspirations in your life, is having sex the main end goal? Also would you say you'd be open to romantically dating a girl who is a slut?

Simply stating that you don't romantically date because it's not the red pill way would be avoiding the question, rationalizing away the dissonance that builds up in witnessing the current state most women are in. It might be the current best solution to our problem, but it is not how things are supposed to be.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

But I can also relate to the idea that after meeting allot of boring worthless disposable cunts I might run into a brand new car with zero millage and good insurance. I know god damn well that this is only temporarily, giving the the ride a maximum of 4 years if not less. But the idea still appeals to me.

I don't advocate for or against LTRs at all. In fact I explicitly state that this is the way to aquire an LTR, and none else.

Are there no other aspirations in your life, is having sex the main end goal?

Sex is like money. Just important if it's a scarcity and it cannot serve as the meaning of your actions, although it might serve as a motivation.

Nothing being dependent on other people should be your endgoal. Not sex, not a relationship. They should be a byproduct of the life you are living. Your life.

Also would you say you'd be open to romantically dating a girl who is a slut?

In what way? In a commited and exclusive relationship? Why would I? Do you pay the price of a three michelin star dinner for a five guys burger and some fries? Everybody got everything with minimal investment from the slut and I should pay for it? You cannot be serious.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I don't advocate for or against LTRs at all. In fact I explicitly state that this is the way to aquire an LTR, and none else.

Then this clears things up for me. I'm not disagreeing with you, one of the best things to happen to me was experiencing my ex-gf's disloyalty and behavior up close. I wouldn't trade those experiences for the world. No matter the bitterness of the pill.

Sex is like money. Just important if it's a scarcity and it cannot serve as the meaning of your actions, although it might serve as a motivation.

The problem is that (and I'm sure you've experienced this yourself) is that women take their sexual currency and push for commitment most of the time. You always end up giving some, even if it's 2 hours a week on sunday. If women truly were having sex for the sakes of sex it would be easy. But they always over complicate, AWALT behavior aside. This is where most inexperienced guys stumble.

In what way? In a commited and exclusive relationship? Why would I? Do you pay the price of a three michelin star dinner for a five guys burger and some fries? Everybody got everything with minimal investment from the slut and I should pay for it? You cannot be serious.

I asked because allot of people that have argued your position leave that part open. But it's clearly obvious no man would. So let me change my question. Would you say you'd be open to romantically dating a girl after plating wears off and you find she's not a slut (yet)?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Would you say you'd be open to romantically dating a girl after plating wears off and you find she's not a slut (yet)?

Never say never, but I don't really see this happening in my future. I am 41 years old, have already procreated and am planing on living the life of a globetrotter half of the year.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Would you say that your age plays a big role in how younger girls define who you are? Allot of girls are walking around with daddy issues nowadays. That's a hole in the market ready to be filled.

[–]newls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amen. The Red Pill never truly clicked for me until I experienced abundance of female attention.

Dread game works like magic. Women's imaginations, the raw dread from their competition anxiety, will passively do more for you than any clever text you can think of, any thoughtful surprise dinner you make her, or any flowers you buy her.

That can only be achieved through having multiple genuine sexual options.

I only understood Frame when I stopped giving a shit about the outcome of any female encounter, resting in my past proven ability to generate sexual options, and saw the effects of judiciously giving my attention to hoes.

[–]jamesbwbevis 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Anyone can be mgtow. It's a mindset, about not letting the desire for women control any aspect of your life.

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