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[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 79 points80 points  (8 children)

I study this book almost like the Bible. It is truly an amazing and deep work that is timeless and informative. It takes so long to read because you just get into 4-5 pages and something clicks. You put the book down and stare off into space thinking some example or line of reasoning that is tangential to what Marcus Aurelius wrote thousands of years ago. A few minutes later you put the book down, exhausted.

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[–]Arkasio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anthony de Mello - The Way To Love is an amazing read.

[–]t0nyp1n1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seneca Letters From a Stoic. Talks about many of te same things Marcus Auerilius does but in greater depth and with a more enjoyable wriing style. Also less repetitive than meditations.

[–]chinawinsworlds 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've spent many months on just a few philosophy books. If you read them for the sake of the knowledge itself, reading them can take forever. You can of course just blaze through them without thinking, but then you're reading it just to say you've read it.

[–]tailingloop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just like the bible, this is mostly interesting from a historical point of view. We question our own opinions because we are critical thinkers

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[–]im-nig-burgundy -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Likely so, but I don't know.

[–]_sell 16 points17 points  (1 child)

RP itself kinda calls bullshit on this in that we don't go around voicing our opinions to the general public. It's not the opinion of the person that matters, it's the social network they're attached to. We value our own beliefs over society's, sure, but it would be dumb to start shooting your mouth off about RP theory to most any female, a BP boss, etc. We work for the benefit of ourselves but we do it within the limits of our communities' opinions to avoid social recoil in a network that we need to succeed but do not agree with on beliefs and motives.

[–]resolutions316 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't think you need to blab about your opinions - you just need to value (and act upon) them accordingly.

[–]Compeliminator 13 points14 points  (0 children)

ive allways loved history and roman history in particular. the posts ive read here about marcus aurelius have interested me greatly and inspired me to read a lot more about him. very interesting individual

[–]Kwantuum 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I really don't understand this quote the same way you do.

You listen to a melody that you like and want to dance, but you worry about the opinions of others so you don’t.

You want to make your voice heard on a subject that you are passionate about, but you worry about the opinions of others so you don’t.

You want to live life on your terms, but you worry about the opinions of others so you don’t.

All of these have nothing to do with you valuing your opinion of yourself vs other's opinion of you.

To a primal man, the opinion of others was important as it had a direct effect on his life. The threat of exile from the group was real.

It still is. It's easier to find new group in the modern era but not giving a shit about what others around you think is social retardery.

This quote doesn't speak of valuing the opinions of others too much but of valuing your own too little. In one word, it speaks of validation, the fact that even if you know that working out is the right thing to do you'll still naturally look for people to praise your progress, to reassure you you're doing the right thing, even if you know you're dressed super well, you want to hear others compliment your attire, when you do something and someone questions it, even if you know it was a perfectly normal and sensible thing to do, you instinctively question yourself.

This is what shit-tests are, they're a way to question your actions to observe whether you're going to backpedal like a little validation-seeking bitch, or if you're going to stick to your guns. It seeks to crack your frame, it's a way for people to tell if you're acting confident or actually confident.

[–]Saladino93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand as you too and I think this is nearer to Auerlio'd view. The quote it's about learning to value our opinions as we love ourselves. Not ignoring others opinions. Those matters too, but our should matter more to ourselves.

I think it is always good to have several interpretations of the same sentence: some will be incorrect but it's a good exercise for the mind to discuss various points of view

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

It's purely biological.Our brain places more importance on others' opinion just for its own survival.He answered his own question in the same sentence.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Purely Biological = The Gods Made it That Way = a Priest's Certitude (wether of the scientific method or of "the gods") that The Priest Alone Knows Factual Answers.

The good Emperor, by posing the question, was inviting you and I to think, and it is at the very least discourteous to refuse this helpful entreaty with "Biology. We already know this." No we don't, because this "factual knowledge" is not qualitatively the same as the self-knowledge gained through introspection and concerted thought about the "little glowing cracks" that can be observed sometimes in the Matrix.

[–]resolutions316 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We also are no longer slave to any biological paradigm. In many ways, we've created an environment of such abundance that we have the luxury of living beyond biology....

Not that it's easy to do so.

[–]thesimplebachelor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing this. I never knew of this man's works but this has piqued my interest. I usually don't think much when I see a quote but this one actually made me think.

[–]ObjectiveBuffoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's also that others' approval generates happiness as well, not just doing what we want. Others' approval can involve everything from women we want to fuck to trying to get a raise. Others' approval at our own expense sometimes has its uses, though obviously to an extent, and self-expression is equally as beneficial. There's a balance.

[–]RJ850 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Isn't he the emperor who lined his son up to take his place and his son ran the Roman empire into the ground ? I believe there is a mini series on Netflix that tells the whole story of this.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

He's not the first great man to achieve amazing success then raise a spoiled shitstain of a son, and he won't be the last.

[–]resolutions316 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope. Family succession is not a great system - see also Japanese corporate leadership, which has evolved to include the "adoption" of the best potential CEO into the family of the original founders.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I don't.Do people actually do that? I am young btw,so don't know know stuff

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Loving yourself is free and you get to decide how to punish yourself when you fail at those metrics. But then again don't expect much returns from pleasing yourself as it's not a fruitful cause.

Being loved by others requires heavy investment, a risk, as the personal consequences of not being liked by your community can be pretty severe.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What makes a truth is the consent of the majority. That's why we give that much of a fuck to what other people think - it is what matters ultimately.

[–]speed_grid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is the name of this book?

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