CultureSocial media and women. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1Captain_Save_A_Hoe_

The posts by destroying-reality and dr_warlock reconfirm something I posted here a while back: The current batch of Millennial women are doomed and are actually, in a sort of "dead-woman-walking" scenario, that the general population and public health officials are completely unaware of. One day this situation will become a HUGE mental health crisis in the West and will cost billions in healthcare treatment, as government officials try to mitigate the fallout across ALL classes and income brackets

I noticed what I call a "nouveau-ho" trend developing a few years ago, for example, back in the 90's and prior, a female that had a "50+ notch count" was usually involved in a business where they could garner an unusual amount of attention, from higher status males, such as: stripper, model, stage entertainer or actress. Normal women, not performing those types of jobs, in those days, would have needed to constantly project their "availability" publicly, in order to garner a "50+ count". Most sane women, back then, did not do such because they would have been labeled a "slut" publicly, by their peers and family, so their "notch counts" were significantly lower as a result

So, what's changed in the last 15+ years? Due to social media, regular women, even ugly chicks, can now get the same volume of attention today, that ONLY a stripper, model or actress could have gotten in the pre-social media era (note, however, that the status of the males paying attention to these normal women is usually much lower as well)

In the 90's and prior, men had to put in a decent, but not a herculean, amount of effort to get laid, in general. So, for higher status males, pursuing ugly chicks was completely out of the question because that effort was better spent elsewhere (opportunity costs). But today, a high status male just needs to post a good Tinder profile and then waits for the "ugly chicks" to do all the work pursuing them instead. Essentially, the modern Alpha just sits back and "waits for the easy lays to roll in". Also, the digital world, allows these women to have somewhat better control over how much information is released about their "slut activities". At the end of the day, they can keep their "notch count" mostly a secret, by only seeing men that don't know each other, are not a part of their current circle of acquaintances, whom don't live in their localities and/or by "traveling the world" for sex tourism, etc Back in the 90's and prior, not many men would have thought it was a good idea to marry a former stripper, stage entertainer, model or actress, nor do many men think so today either. However, none of the younger men today have fully realized that a majority of women available, under 35 years of age, are currently living lives that are not much different from a strippers life, back in the 90's and before. Its all disguised now because these women work in offices, at regular jobs and seem like normal people, on the surface, when in fact they are not because of the undue sexual attention that they are able to get via "social media"

The number of "high notch" women has exploded since 2008-2009, POST, the mainstream acceptance of smartphones and social media. Prior to that time, "high notch" women were typically limited to the abused, mentally ill, strippers and/or celebrities (i.e. Heidi Fleiss & Kim Kardashian types). Normal looking chicks, due to this now mainstream tech, have access to something that they did not have in previous decades, the focused attention, of large numbers, of thirsty men. In earlier times, that kind of attention was reserved for the best looking women only, particularly those that actually took the time to look good and put themselves out there, in public, in order to get noticed on a regular basis

The difference between today and the pre-smartphone/pre-social-media era, is that Ho-ing, used to be a LOT of HARD work. Women had to dress nice, flirt properly, going out of their way to find the best clubs, beaches, universities and bars, that they could actually get into, where higher status men hung out, etc. In contrast, today, average women simply get their phone out and wait for hits, choosing the men they like (and at the same time, NEVER learn how to gracefully turn away those men that they do not wish to interact with). When these "nouveau-ho's" meet up, with the "man-of-their-choice", the woman doesn't have to get dressed up, they give their selected men a hard time, shi*t testing both low and high status males and eventually still end up getting laid, without putting in any effort. If any woman had taken this route in the past, they would have been barred entry into the goods bars/clubs, ostracized from the various college party scenes and/or rebuked by their peers/family. In the past, "Ho-ing" was not for the timid, in the old "pre-smartphone world", that was based on face-to-face interactions, coupled with a REQUIRED penchant for good visual style and overt flirting, on the woman's part "Ho-ing" is the EASIEST its ever been and the laziness of women is clearly shown, by how poorly they take care of their looks, yet still are able to find sex partners, whom in the past would have rejected them for better prospects (again, opportunity cost for the Alpha Males and even higher up Beta Males). Alphas typically aren't "thirsty", except now, they just aren't turning down "no effort lays". To my point, "no effort lays" in the pre-smartphone era required some effort on the part of the Alpha Male, so his time was better spent pursuing the best looking women he could get. This is no longer the situation today

Today those low grade women require almost nothing, in regard to effort, for the Chad's. So the Chad's are basically "taking a sip" from EVERY "public water fountain" that they walk by The reason why I say, we will see a mental health crisis of untold magnitude, in the future, is because historically good looking, aging hoe's, could always pick up a Beta Bucks', even a good looking one. However, an average or ugly chick, with a high notch count, will most certainly not be so lucky and essentially will have a "Wine Coinsures" tastes buds, on a strictly "Beer Budget", perhaps even a "Water Budget" in some cases. Hence, no Beta or Gama that is willing to take them, will ever compare to the long line of Hot Chads that plowed through them via Tinder, OkCupid, etc

I suspect that there is also a HUGE mental health crisis looming on the horizon for women that are currently aged 15-30. When the "Carousel Ride" ends for them, they will be far less capable of begrudgingly accepting a "Beta Bucks", for the sole purpose of securing a post-wall, survival position, in a stable nuclear family. I'd bet my house that suicide attempt rates for women, born in the early 1990's and thereafter, will skyrocket, when these single women hit their late 30's to early 40's, ALONE, due ENTIRELY to unmet, unreasonably high expectations Also, the success of online dating sites has baffled me from the very beginning because you need BOTH men and women to believe they work. When these sites first came out, I wondered to myself, "how in the world does this process benefit any AVERAGE MAN using this new dating medium?" Note, I am assuming that most men, posting here, prefer to know in the first couple of minutes if they are wasting their time or not. In most cases that analysis can be done faster in person. Perhaps some of you somehow figure that out faster online, as opposed to doing it in person. I personally feel that finding positive hits online is much more time consuming and a sheer numbers game, as opposed to in person

Online dating is and always has been a "hamster wheel" for women, period. The BEST long term outcome would be for the number of males using these sites to drop off a cliff (the 80/20 rule, that we all know to be true, makes it impossible for the 80% to be successful at dating online). To a certain extent I believe that has already happened and is being kept a secret, to keep the gravy train rolling. Online dating has ALWAYS been geared toward the lowest common denominator, hence, we see all the "single mothers are great" articles posted on dating website sponsored blogs

For example, how many rejections does a man need to receive before he quits online dating cold turkey? 5, 50, 500, 5000? Note, I don't mean how a man gets back into online dating after one successful hook-up, or after a dry spell, I mean, how many continuous rejections are required, until they turn away from the method completely. We don't know what that number is, but OkCupid, Match.com, Tinder, etc CERTAINLY know what that number is and they are NEVER going to let the public know. If Ashley Madison had 5 million accounts with only 12,000 real women using the site, what is the REAL ratio of men to women using sites like Plenty of Fish, E-Harmony, Match.com etc.? Since the "hamster" is easy to fool, I'd bet there are a LOT a male-bot profiles and male-sock-puppet accounts being managed by staff of the websites, in order to keep these women on the "hamster wheel". I can imagine these companies ALL have some kind protocol for dealing with female accounts that get no interest from real males, where the bot or employee run account sends them messages to keep them addicted to the chasing of "what-ifs". I'd wager they know the minimum number of message pings that will keep a woman on the site, even if they result in no face-to-face meetings. Note, I don't think these dating websites started out this way, but they have had a long time to monitor user behavior and most certainly know that female interest is the key to their survival, even though men may no longer be interested in participating in the online dating process.

[–]Modredpillschool[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (39 children)

But today, a high status male just needs to post a good Tinder profile and then waits for the "ugly chicks" to do all the work pursuing them instead. Essentially, the modern Alpha just sits back and "waits for the easy lays to roll in".

I disagree. Even top rated men get a fraction of messages compared to women on dating apps. Good looking men not only have to work (albeit less so than their uglier counterparts) but they also are competing more for used/ugly goods than they ever had in the past due to the inflation of pussy prices.

currently aged 15-30. When the "Carousel Ride" ends for them, they will be far less capable of begrudgingly accepting a "Beta Bucks", for the sole purpose of securing a post-wall, survival position,

You're right but I think somewhat missing what's really happening. This isn't necessarily about notch counts. You're right that when these women get off the carousel they're going to be terribly alpha widowed and have a hard time accepting this new lower position. But there's more to social media than simply making it easier to get laid.

The problem is social media in itself as a validation machine replaces getting laid entirely. Even very young highschool girls who are just getting started with a very low n-count are going to have a severely inflated sense of self worth due to the validation they receive from social media. The women who coast through their twenties on Instagram don't need to fuck 1,000 men to think they could. The number of instagram or facebook followers for a chick who doesn't even get fully naked can be in the tens or hundreds of thousands, sometimes reaching over a million. The psychological effect of essentially making any woman with a youthful appearance into a mini-celebrity will fuck their brains over completely independent of whether they fuck 1 or 100 guys a year.

We are dealing with entire generations of women who were steered wrong by their parents and an emerging technology nobody really understood, who don't understand how the sexual market works over the long term. They have no idea that trading in the long strategy for the short is going to hurt. Nobody told them it was either-or. And you're not going to talk an addict out of being addicted.

Online dating and hook-up apps are certainly changing a lot about sexual dynamics today. But this is not the driving force behind the largest upset in the market to date. It is the validation machine of social media and iphones that have caused the market to destabilize.

The problem then becomes what you predict: a future of mental illness. Look at every single huge celebrity. After a while, during their decline, they eventually lose it. Tom Cruise, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Mel Gibson.. (etc). They eventually have a breakdown from the fame. It's not a healthy way of life, and certainly shouldn't be accessible to common folk.

But the problem isn't just mental illness. The problem is that the market is suffering from a demand issue during a fresh period of new technology that has never existed before. When the supply suddenly floods the market as all of this new instagram-generation ages into beta-bucks territory, there will be a new market crash. Not only will the supply be terribly mentally ill, and insatiable due to being alpha widowed by 1.4 million followers, the new supply of used-up hags will have little-to-no demand to match it. Essentially, the inflated price of young pussy will correlate to a deflated price for old pussy. The young won't settle and the old will be unable to.

Imagine if the Apple store tried to drive up prices by simply not letting anybody buy an iphone. Eventually they'd have thousands of old iphones that nobody wants. They wouldn't be able to give them away after a certain point.

What happens then? Either the government bails out Apple, or in this case, redistributes male tax dollars to single moms to give them a the glamorous beta-bucks lifestyle they used to get, or we let the market crash and a generation of women become the victims of the largest sexual recession in written history. Of course, the way politics have been going, I think we'll see the end of Western Civilization before the government ever lets women suffer the consequences of their own actions.

So look forward to life getting much worse for an average male. Not just sexually, but financially. This bailout will be monetary. Don't believe me? It's already happening: it's the Marxist movement's end goal.

My opinion is that the only future for men in this upcoming sexual and male-financial recession is for men to band together into tribes of like-minded individuals and utilize specialized skills to out-compete other groups. The biggest tool of cultural destruction was convincing the modern male that individualism is preferable. Individualism keeps us weak. Other groups have long understood this. The modern male is completely oblivious.

[–]xfithooligan 93 points94 points  (14 children)

This was spot on. As a Chad that's ran through 18 women since April, I can attest to this. I've sat back ignored the hell out of a 6.5, called her at 130am to bring food, and railed her out.(No Effort Lay)

These women expect relationships from men like me but they can only get monogamous relationships from beta turds. They'll drive themselves crazy because they throw pussy at the next alpha in line hoping that this is the one that stays around. :Spoiler Alert: I know of very few alphas that have found themselves stuck with 6.5's.

[–]Augustuscrassus 47 points48 points  (6 children)

One of my exs was like that I could call her up whenever and she would walk 2km to my house to get fucked and sent home. Why girls think you're going to commit when you treat them like that I have no clue.

[–]103342 66 points67 points  (4 children)

Sometimes it takes painful rejection(s) and loneliness for men to snap from their mental confort zone (bluepill mindset) and actually try to learn the truth.

This is true for men, that usually have to face rejection and loneliness on a daily basis.

Women simply don't have the same experience. A girl that throws pussy at you hoping to get a relationship out of it will still "have you" for some time. And when you get bored and don't respond anymore there will be 1000 other guys that she can throw pussy and avoid loneliness.

The learning experience never really comes for women.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 18 points19 points  (0 children)

That's it, they can hamster away the dread by finding another man. The problem never gets resolved until they aren't sexually attractive anymore. Even wall hitters in their 30's which I've met don't seem to understand this. I think it's a mental illness.

[–]justgotalpha 20 points21 points  (0 children)

spot on.they just keep throwing pussy until they see beta is all theres left

[–]Augustuscrassus 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Funny enough she ended up with a guy who dated my ex before that.

That ex would tell me that he had ED. She cheated on him with me and a bunch of other dudes. The guy kept chasing my exes and they all still wanted my dick.

He was a nice guy it's too bad

[–]1PantsonFire1234 16 points17 points  (1 child)

It's female autism man. I can't for the live of me understand the thought process of these types. They keep on trying and you aren't even being subtle about your disinterest. I've left girls puking on the disco floor that I fucked for a while and grew annoyed by their shit. You'd figure such a girl would get the hint and find a guy on her level or up her game. Nope, she goes right on to the next guy that does the same shit to her.

But no, men are the problem. Not women. Sure.

[–]general_derez 86 points87 points  (57 children)

There was a post in here awhile back by a dude that worked in a medical doctor's office. He reported that the majority of women are on antidepressants. He reported that women's primary medical concern was being able to have and enjoy sex (on the other hand, men's was being able to work out). When women weren't getting good, regular sex, they would quickly become depressed. The exceptions were women that had a stable family, headed by a man, with children to care for to give their lives meaning. Otherwise, rampant depression.

I'm envisioning this scenario when this generation of CC riders hits the wall, can't get good dick anymore, it's too late for a family, and the depression (and suicide) epidemic hits like a wave. Oh well, more profits for pharmaceutical companies I suppose.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 44 points45 points  (11 children)

I'd have to say this is related to oxytocin response and diminishing returns from random sex; the addiction to the sex and lack of the follow on relationship leads them to drop emotionally. I've seen guys like this too. Booze and drugs often go hand in hand. I don't think there'll be a suicide epidemic. Like the post mentions below, they all have big social networks of people that will 'be there' for them to substitute family. One girl I know periodically posts about how "she's too picky and independant to have a relationship" yet a year or so ago, she was telling me how she REALLY wants to have a kid. Every time I see that post, all I can think of is "get off the CC and actually value someone as a human being." I know. Big ask. Especially when she talks about her lovers as 'penises'. Literally obfuscates names and replaces it with a objectification. But the friends groups are there. It's enough - as they get post wall they find other things to 'nurture' instead of families.

[–]askmrcia 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Like the post mentions below, they all have big social networks of people that will 'be there' for them to substitute family

This exactly. I know a lot of women in my social circle that are over 30, partied alot, hit the wall, but still complain at times about being single and no having kids.

What do they do, they support eachother to vent about their problems.

One girl I know periodically posts about how "she's too picky and independant to have a relationship" yet a year or so ago, she was telling me how she REALLY wants to have a

Same thing. A girl I know ( a few actually) complains about not having kids.

I remember one time I asked her what she did during the week, she responds "go to the bar and drink. That's all I do askmrcia, is drink you know me by now hehehe."

I thought to myself... "gee you're 34 years old, getting fatter and uglier and you wonder why no man wants you. And the guy she is after friendzoned her ass because he's good looking and has money."

Like all these women have to do is stop going to the bars and drinking and some smuck would sweep them off their feet.

As far as the girl's that aren't fat in their 30s and single, its the same thing. Guys that they want will fuck them, but they will not marry or LTR them. Perfect example is this chick I know that is 32 years old. Already has wrinkles but still looks good. One time I was around her and someone asked her how the "relationship" (in quotes for a reason) was going between her and Chad.

She tried to laugh it off and say "Oh you know its pretty much over, but the sex was great hehe."

Everyone there could tell the guy pumped and dumped her. It was in her voice and it was the same thing that happened to her all throughout her 20s. She wasn't fooling anyone trying to brag that the sex was good. We all knew she wished it worked out because she's always talking about wanting kids.

Women like her cant understand why they are miserable and single in their 30s and 40s. The answer is simple, stop throwing your pussy around like a whore. But now that they are getting older and the wrinkles are settling in, their time is pretty much up. Hell, most of them can't even hide their n-count because even though they can lie about it, they are still doing the same habits that high n-count women do.

PS: Any women on a dating site over 29 is bad news. I mean they are easier to bang, but I hope you gentlemen are smart enough to not LTR them.

[–]biggerbetterjobs 16 points17 points  (4 children)

The answer is simple, stop throwing your pussy around like a whore. But now that they are getting older and the wrinkles are settling in, their time is pretty much up.

IDK how you or others here feel, but in my experience.. Dealing with women like this, IDevenGAF at this point about how many cocks they've taken. It's their sour fucking shitty personality and worldview that's the reason they have a high N count and none of those guys bothered to stay with them. That's the damn truth with it.

These women expect to be treated like princesses when they're never happy with anything, they suck at cooking, they might be good at sex, but they display several personality traits that make me think "wow she'd be an awful mother". Whenever I get that "Wow she'd make a shitty mom" impression, I automatically disqualify her for considering an LTR. Or even if you don't want kids someday, The toxic personalities that come out of most women who can't keep a man are just not worth being around in exchange for regular sex and companionship (if you can even call being around one of them companionship).

Women like this probably would've been accused of being witches back in the day. No doubt about it.

[–]TheReformist94 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Women who can't snag an alpha have the same neurochemixal response to a beta addicted to porn

[–]MrAnderzon 41 points42 points  (5 children)

Sounds like a good time to invest in antidepressant companies

[–]5t3fan0 13 points14 points  (1 child)

and cat related businesses

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Petsmart's stock must be going through the roof.

[–]ShavedApel 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I was thinking the same thing, any in particular? I was looking at 'Effexor'.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 32 points33 points  (26 children)

It's not exclusively related to the dick. Women are just basically on antidepressants. A girl on my Facebook made a post the other day asking about the best anti anxiety and depression medicine. Every single girl in that social circle responded with their experiences on different meds and also a few (dumb) beta guys who think they won't be immediately rejected from the gene pool by also contributing.

Edit: should have mentioned. This isn't the first time I've seen this. Every now and then a girl has a breakdown and a discussion of the current and top anti depressants follow.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 23 points24 points  (24 children)

Modern women suck, what else is new? Most girls I talk to are heavy drinkers, smokers and drug users in some way shape or form. Definitely alcohol at the very least. And I used to be the champion in drinking so I know the effects it has on the body. I went from getting drunk daily to weekends all the way to once every two weeks. Nowadays I don't drink much at all, only on special occasions like football matches, events and birthdays. All that shit can't be good for them, but they do it anyway.

The problem is that they have this entire life full of opportunity to form family, expand social circles and contribute to the community and basically make things meaningful to them and they throw it away to get attention while traveling, partying and studying. It's all the same. And why do they do it? Because they all feel like shit and are insecure as fuck.

You can't really blame what's been done to them but still. They made the worst possible decisions because they were the easiest.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 7 points8 points  (23 children)

I know the type of girls you talk about. My (former) social group is fairly low value. The girls im talking about spend their days in a haze of depression, FOMO, low self esteem, wishing they were part of a different social scene, but have nowhere else to go. They're not fat green haired feminists but they aren't massive whores either. For most of them, their psyche couldn't handle being a whore. They can barely find a semi beta never mind get a ONS with an alpha. This is because they're approaching the wall though, so their priorities have changed. This is primarily the cause of their depression.

And yeah they are mostly drinkers. The ones who aren't drinkers are hardly saints though.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 9 points10 points  (22 children)

That just proves women are utterly out competed once they hit the age of 26 and on. We say the wall hits in their 30s but the reality is that fun times for women are a 18-23 year old thing. That's the height of their fun. Things will never get better than that.

Meanwhile a guys experience might be like this. 15-23 sucks. 23-33 absolute peak. 33-45 slow but steady declining slope.

For a woman she's done for when she hits 40. Men are done for around the age of 55+ i'd dare say.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 14 points15 points  (2 children)

I went on a date with one of these girls last year. I'm not swimming in pussy by any means; starting from the bottom really.

She fucked up by: acting more attractive and high value than she was, being boring expecting me to bring all the convo, playing games and favourites, trying to manipulate and throwing out insecurity based shit/ comfort tests constantly. Turns out acting like a psychotic depressive entitled child isn't attractive. Sex or no sex I'm not wasting my time looking after an ungrateful unattractive undeserving child; it's a bad time.

I started hitting on this girl pre TRP when she had a beta bf. She was fun and bubbly. She broke up with him because he was too stable and boring with a slim idea she could branch swing to me. Once I hit her up (post TRP with zero intention to date her) she was so outcome dependent and her personality was gone. After one date I just cleaned my hands of her and watched her absolutely lose her mind many times over on Facebook about being alone (a choice she engineered).

Now it's her best friend who's talking about killing herself daily on FB because her self respecting bf had enough of her shit. They're all crazy, but they could be sweet attractive girlfriends to great dudes if they could keep a handle on their shit. Their idea of the wall is a lot worse than the wall actually is and causes them to lose their minds.

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 8 points9 points  (1 child)

And if any girl goes as far as suicide for the above mentioned reasons, everybody's gonna blame the dude.

[–]0signal0 6 points7 points  (16 children)

We say the wall hits in their 30s but the reality is that fun times for women are a 18-23 year old thing.

Judging from my experience as a student, this is true. The girls I started studying with were very attractive in the first semester, but once they were done with studies (age 24-26) they had hit the wall hard.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 13 points14 points  (13 children)

They only accelerate the process. Like a growth stunted beta who never felt a dose of T in his life. All the drinking, drugs and stress wears them out. That and the aging process starts around the age of 24. They might be hot still and not fully car wrecked like late 30's skanks. But they can no longer compete with a sexy 18-21 year old. Men who have their pickings will simply behave differently, I've seen it in myself. I don't give many shits for women

The good news is that you can abuse this sadistically. Especially with the women who are ruined already. I'm a guy who believes in morals but there's no saving a woman once she is ruined, compared to a beta guy for example. Done is done. So enjoy fucking 24-28 years old pretending to want a relationship. Relish the desperate 31-39 year old milfs who just want to taste that young and energetic dominance again. And know you aren't robbing the world of anything.

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 3 points4 points  (10 children)

Sometimes they might hit the wall even earlier. Not in looks, but at least emotionally. Two girls who were my classmates in high school come to mind, "J" and "G". J had a boyfriend from about 13 years old to 15. Around that time I met G, who is her friend, and she told me J was going on a "spree" now she was single because she felt she "lost in the fun"(when she was fucking 15). For the next 3 years she became a huge slut. I met her when she was 15 and she had that sparkle of youth. In 3 years it was gone.

G, on the other hand, was the one BP me thought was more of a decent girl. I knew she wasn't quite a home girl, but she wasn't that openly a slut. After a few years it's clear she's a master at deceit. She's now 20 and has post wall symptoms: cooking pretty things for the sake of it, wasting her time putting it on instagram, being into yoga(fits perfectly the stereotype of a basic bitch with that shallow approach to whatever "exotic" activity). Although she doesn't seem a used up rag like J, she too lost her sparkle.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I met her when she was 15 and she had that sparkle of youth. In 3 years it was gone.

Actually wanted to touch on that but dismissed it. There seems to be this phenomenon where men literally fuck the youth out of women. The more cocks the older they get.

Although she doesn't seem a used up rag like J, she too lost her sparkle.

I wonder. I mean if you don't see any red flags than who knows she might not be one. The things you named aren't red flags.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Could you tell me more about post wall symptoms? Sounds really interesting.

I think based on what you've just said and how sexualised kids are getting these days, earlier and earlier, post walls are going to happen earlier and earlier.

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Post wall women are visibly tired of life. That seems dramatic, but that's because it is. Doesn't make it any less real. It might be harder to realize since "pure" girls are non existent. If pure are non existent, than you might compare with the closest match, i.e. girl with low notch count. With the way things are going you might have to look at a 12 year old(when in high school I once saw a 13 year old openly talking about blowjobs with her friends - and that's some 4 years ago, things are worse). Girls not yet tainted have a certain sparkle in them. Look at a random kid, boy or girl, they normally have this contagious vibe, like there's so much ahead. Some girls are 20 and look like they couldn't care less about the next decades of their lives. They sold themselves cheap and lost hope. That's the thousand cock stare. Look at a professional: Kylie Jenner. Kilos of makeup and millions invested in her looks. Still has empty eyes, like you're staring at an abyss. That's what you get when you're 19 and are famous for fucking low life rappers.

That makes me happy I was a quiet kid, even though the price to pay was being a beta. At least I had some childhood. When I was at home watching cartoons girls were already looking to get rammed. Doesn't mean I don't wish I embarked on a mission earlier, but at least I'm not a lifeless piece of flesh(there's men like that as well, your typical back in my day chad turned beer belly frat boy)

[–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The good news is you can abuse this sadistically.this is what we need to hear more

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I've always loved to study this "curve of attraction". Its so interesting for me. Remember in elementary school when no1 is developed all girls are pretty much ugly but even then you know who has potential, then as the years come some of these girls grow more and more attractive and some remain what they was. Now as these girls hit 14-16 some of them are really attractive and get alot of attention from males, what i see often is that they fall off heavily because they are lazy, because they drink every weekend, because they dont work out, perhaps they smoke as well so by the time theyre 20 theyre low SMV. As for the girls who dont have their peak in the 14-15 who are just "average" alot of them may develop into beautiful and attractive girls at age 20, they have a low N-count many of them, they may workout more and care for their body because they are not conscious and havent been exposed to too much validation etc. Womens SMV fluctuates alot; hottest babe at age 14-15 can be the ugliest girl with a N-count of 30 at age 24, and mediocre/average/boring looking girls at age 14-15 can be the prettiest and cutest with "mother qualities" with a N-count of 3 at age 24.

[–]Philhelm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not to discount your main point, but I think around 30 is a man's peak. Most 23-year-old men still look boyish.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay to clarify I was stating that 23 is the year where things go up. Anything before that sucks. I know from my experience that everything started to rollercoaster from that age.

[–]0signal0 13 points14 points  (6 children)

I remember that post. A line stuck with me: the OP said that the patients (the women) were usually depressed because of failed past relationships.

The question is: aren't they to blame, considering that most breakups and divorces are initiated by the woman?

[–]lukmeg 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Its the world's fault for not giving her a prince to take care of her.

[–]0signal0 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Ironically enough, in a patriarchy she is more likely to get something close to that.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haven't you learned yet that in a kids world like ours, irony is the constant. People are their own worst enemy.

[–]Docbear64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True but then she'd have to contribute and be worth something to actually win a "prince" , that's not ho princess fantasies work.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Either they meant flings (girls consider these relationships while Chad doesn't) or they felt dissapointed to find out they shit tested their boyfriend into a beta.

[–]Takoshake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My ex did this to me! She totally shit tested me into a beta and then dumped me. She is 26 and has like 3 white hairs on her head. I'm 29 and people think I'm about 23. Thanks

[–]1PantsonFire1234 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The exceptions were women that had a stable family, headed by a man, with children to care for to give their lives meaning. Otherwise, rampant depression.

No surprise there. Women full well know when they are being unsuccessful but they hide it very well and constantly hamster it away by riding the cock train. Also one has to consider that for the average woman a good Chad dicking isn't a constant, it's the exception. When my SMV rose abruptly and steady the first thing I noticed is the absolute indifference I had towards girls I once used to obsess over.

My mind was on hotter tail and I'm sure guys like me and those that are still better than me, think the same. The idea that average sixes get steady Chad cock only applies to the easiest skanks who club every week. And you should be able to point these out with ease.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I had this post in mind every single day when I was with my ex-GF. She was completely addicted to our sex, and it was truly awesome. But at some point I was tired, I wake up every day at 530, I train hard, I need my sleep. Short nights catch up eventually. The last weekend before breaking up for good, we had a Friday night where she came sixteen times (extremely clit sensitive girl) and went straight on Facebook to report it on her private sex group. Meanwhile I fell asleep and she showed me on the Saturday morning that the other girls were making fun of the situation (booo he can't do more than that poor guy is tired, etc). It was the 3rd time having sex this week. Saturday and Sunday I just couldn't get it up, passed out within seconds of laying on the bed. On Monday she mentioned our "grandpas" sex life.

Completely crazy.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 65 points66 points  (15 children)

I suspect that there is also a HUGE mental health crisis looming on the horizon for women that are currently aged 15-30. When the "Carousel Ride" ends for them, they will be far less capable of begrudgingly accepting a "Beta Bucks", for the sole purpose of securing a post-wall, survival position, in a stable nuclear family. I'd bet my house that suicide attempt rates for women, born in the early 1990's and thereafter, will skyrocket, when these single women hit their late 30's to early 40's, ALONE, due ENTIRELY to unmet, unreasonably high expectations

A lot of guys are going to read this and feel as if their anger towards women is validated. All these bitches will finally get what's coming to them.

Make no such mistake -- this is not a good thing.

Do you think anything will change for the better, if a whole generation of women ends up depressed, even if these women do have it coming to them? When have women ever taken responsibility when the shit hits the fan because they fucked up?

Don't delude yourself, this will just be another item on the huge, stinking pile of shit that men are blamed for already.

[–]LawyerInTheMaking 34 points35 points  (10 children)

a lot of guys will definitely feel their anger validated. i however see it as a big opportunity to invest in pharmaceutical companies who make antidepressants and anxiety meds.

[–]Docbear64 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I've heard investing in pet food companies is wise too , the only thing that can keep lonely 40 year olds sane besides medication is having fur babies to devote every non-working hour too.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuck, this just kind of broke my heart. Fucking sad what this generation of women is doing to themselves.

[–]ObviouslyRP 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Let's brainstorm what else to invest in for this impending shit storm! Such as the drugs in which will save their lives when they od! Since they notoriously don't make attempts that will undoubtedly end their life but rather largely prefer to eat a bottle of their scripts.

[–]Takoshake 4 points5 points  (1 child)

We should invest in "cute" raincoats for dogs. All these lonely women will need a therapy dog, and since they don't have kids, that dog will become their child. Raincoats and matching boots for dogs!

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's already a booming market. My cousin is post wall, openly talks about how she wants a rich husband(even though she has a boyfriend whom we've met - awesome dude), obviously wants a family but isn't willing to drop daily Sex and the City and alcohol("to chill"). Guess what? She probably spends close to 1k a month on her dog. She travels for work and her dog stays in a freakin dog hotel. She proceeds to complain she makes too little money. She has at least 5 friends who do the same, and that's based solely on people I personally know.

Fuck med school, if you wanna make money have a pet shop

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wont someone think of the children?

[–]ObviouslyRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Obviously not the family courts since they give them to single mothers, despite significant scientific evidence they would be better off with the fathers.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are morons. They should know that their tax € will pay for that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ever seen a toddler that is angry and tired? Imagine a whole society of them. Definitely not a good scenario for anyone involved.

[–]grandaddychimp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you suppose men will be blamed for it?

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 119 points120 points  (14 children)

The weekend is not a great post exposure day. Something beautiful like this needs the attention it deserves. Imma ask the mods to sticky it, ditching the newbie sticky threads. Those can wait.

[–]1Captain_Save_A_Hoe_[S] 31 points32 points  (7 children)

For some reason the post keeps getting downvoted, i'm not sure if its because people genuinely dont like it or spambots.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater 43 points44 points  (1 child)

Down votes do not matter. Only what we sticky or endorse matters.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The post could use some retouching in terms of readability but I would strongly vouch for a continued sticky on this thread. To have the community grasp these truths and internalize them will help a great deal in any red pilled journey. I'm very happy to hear the mods agree with this.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Downvoted by male hamsters who need muh social media and think they can find their unicorn on it

[–]2beardcrew1027 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Its way too long. Could've got that info into 4 paragraphs

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

so ironic.

Attention span is decreasing and it's a bad thing. Deep Work explains this brilliantly.

[–]Phoenixtorment 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nothing to do with attention span, the OP could have said his points in a lot fewer words, he also repeats stuff several times.

I don't know why this is stickied, there are some valid points in it but the whole post comes too much across as an angry beta.

Example :

"NEVER learn how to gracefully turn away those men that they do not wish to interact with"

This just screams buthurt.

[–]ObviouslyRP 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I was surprised to see this stickied but it is deserving of the position and I don't see this not happening now that I've considered it.

Personally I hope it is recognized because that's going to be glorious, especially because it would be indicative of women causing their own problems and the solution to them either be too little too late(=suicide) or up to them to have the will power to break out of the addiction to attention and hypergamy.

Of course when this comes to light the feminists will be screeching that they're victims and it's our fault but every therapist worth his salt will know they did this to themselves.

Great post OP.

[–]jackandjill22 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is a terrific post. I'm glad someone recognizes the cultural symptoms our society has.

[–]stonepimpletilists 1 points1 points [recovered]

Not sure why though. It's most likely true, but those guys we just booted live for posts like this.

The revenge fantasy, writ large

[–]1PantsonFire1234 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There's no such thing as a satisfying revenge. Only closure. What is important about this post is for men to understand that they have very little to do with the current female behavior and that this is what they should expect.

Look at plugged in men and you will find how much they take this shit personal and how it affects their outlook on life. They simply don't understand what's happening and something appears wrong. They can feel it but can't put their finger on it. They have an old world expectations for a new world phenomenon.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (7 children)

Sorry bud, nobody wants what you're selling here. The reason you're single is because no real man has locked you down... Because you're used goods.

Almost every women at one point or another have a chance at being monogamous. You likely passed up your chance and now that you burned out your ability to pair bond, you're chasing that high of initial contact with the opposite sex like a junkie chasing the dragon.

You cannot rewrite your history, and your best years are behind you, a sad reminder that there's no going back. You're just a statistic now. A warning to other women about what fate lies before them should they make poor choices, too.

Destitute. Alone. Like a tire with low tread.

The absolute irony is that it is absolutely 100% men's fault for your current predicament. Men abdicated their responsibility to themselves and the world. They got soft. They stopped lifting. They stopped working hard. They relenquished their grasp on the reigns of the world to let a select few alphas shepherd them while ushering in the betacuck slave trade of today.

Women are right that its men's fault the world went to shit, but its because the vast majority stopped working hard. Not because they actively attempt to oppress women.

You revel in your hedonistic activities because at this point, you're all in. If you stop indulging yourself like a glutton for even one second to reflect on your choices and how empty your life has become, you'd likely off yourself in the bathroom of some shitty motel off of prescription anti-depressants.

vengefully_yours has it right, why give a woman a second chance when there are so many waiting for their first chance at a real man.

A post from another thread. You're right, if the millennial women ever stop to reflect on the value of their lives, they're toast.

All they can do is go as far as they can, they're all in at this point. Dead-women-walking.

[–]_Trigglypuff_ 20 points21 points  (3 children)

This thread was a great post. But this binary view of women as either 1000 cock stare sluts or depressed cat ladies is not true. There is everything in between.

I have noticed women my age in the mid 20s becoming extremely volatile and bitchy, the smart ones know what is up and are getting very insecure whether or not they have slept around a ridiculous amount. They realised their looks may (sometimes aren't) fading, but they know they are never getting any better looking. Whilst men their age excel in careers etc.

At 19 they were all sexually adventurous. The generation below has women that aren't even worth talking to. They are well beyond cynical narcissists that will literally not even communicate with a guy beyond their smarthphone. It's tragic. This is a ticking time bomb for these women with shitloads of debt, no real career, no way to ever find a partner and be happy with what they have. Add to the immgration increase and you have a complete shift in demographics in primary education.

Culutral marxism is working. Hypergamy is it's sword.

Think of hypergamy as all these women can test drive super cars any time they want. Any model, nearly any time. The problem is they have to convince the dealer that they are ones worth taking the car home. Only to be sent on their way and have to go back to their 1.2L hatchback with a dent in the side.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Extremes is the only way to drive home that we can never outrun hypergamey no matter how much we improve ourselves.

I have one former "unicorn", waiting in the wings, latching on to my family like a parasite.

Shes a model, and she's also in the army. She wants a family. She's mormon and believes in polygamy. Shes waited 4 years to be with me.

It would be easy for myself to say NAWALT. Deep down, though, i know AWALT. I've seen RP truths before my eyes since I've been 12, just never had a name for it until this sub.

The only way for me to stay on mission is to acknowledge my sexuality while not being controlled by it. Sure, there are woman in the middle of the spectrum, but for all intents and purposes its the SMP thats enabling the corruption. Im just one dude, i cannot change the SMP. All we can do is weather the storm until we get to the otherside. I don't hate women. I hate the SMP. I hate the cultural marxism taking over our way of life.

Things will be different in 15 years. But right now, every man should be monkmoding if they aren't where they need to be in life rather than wasting time looking for unicorns.

[–]Philhelm 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Shes a model, and she's also in the army. She wants a family. She's mormon and believes in polygamy.

There are more red flags there than there are words in that sentence.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely an impossible challenge to communicate this to my family.

After screwing her once, i candidly told her that i don't date trash and i nexted her.

She definitely helps with preselection. At one point i even entertained the idea of a restraining order.

What a problem to have right? I'm pretty sure it's because she sees the wall coming like a train.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 13 points14 points  (2 children)

You revel in your hedonistic activities because at this point, you're all in. If you stop indulging yourself like a glutton for even one second to reflect on your choices and how empty your life has become, you'd likely off yourself in the bathroom of some shitty motel off of prescription anti-depressants.

Kek this one should hit home with allot of women nowadays. It reminds me of an argument I had with a person a while back. This person accused me of being an asshole who hates his life. This made me realize how wrong this person was. I was nothing but satisfied with my life and where it got me. I wouldn't have dreamed of it as a kid. But around me I see men and funnily enough mostly women, who fucking hate their lives. The person included.

At that moment I realized everyone projects to some degree and that the way most people feel about themselves isn't half as good as I do. Most people suck in body and mind and never change a thing about it. To realize how unhappy everyone around me actually was felt kind of sad to me.

[–]Docbear64 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It's the unfortunate reality of being a loser . A lot of the guys who come to this sub don't like their jobs, have no sex life or have had a shitty sex life or relationships, are weak in both mind and body , they are losers and in a society that coddles and encourages being " true to yourself" through inaction and complacency of course they are unhappy .

That's why to me this sub is about building yourself to be a winner through realizing that first you are a loser ( I definitely was when I first got here) and then encouraging you to create and build yourself into a winner of a man . Th easiest way to do that is start by physically challenging yourself to lift something heavy repeatedly , if you can mentally commit to that , and begin to see improvement how could you not strive to grow into a winner in other areas?

But you're absolutely right it's unfortunate how many people are really robbed of living satisfying lives through complacency . Life will never be perfect for most of us but if you can't wake up and at the very least feel proud of yourself on some level then what's the fucking point?

[–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's as if some people wake up completely different. As if the blue pill is a real neurological thing. I walk around and I see zombies. It's saddens me. I know why they are all unfulfilled and yet none want to be helped. You'd almost understand god.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The Internet revolution means that women talk to other women less. Back in the 90's women had a few video cassets and books to keep them entertained. The unlimited entertainment internet machine changed all that.

Now women don't really have to talk to other women to get their drama fix. Girl drama time acts as therapy for women and since real face to face girl time is at an all time low a lot of unresolved negativity is getting repressed into the subconscious.

The modern generation of women has a much worse understanding of reality because they more saturated with media than any other generation. To her media is reality. She can never be satisfied, she can never be haaaapy because she can never live the highly edited life of Kim Kardashian.

All of this means more antidepressants for women which only mask the pain, they don't fix the source of the problem. 1 in 5 women are on some sort of psychoactive medication.

This is what the mental health future of women looks like.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (16 children)

I'm about an 8-9 looks wise 6'4 jacked have an account on OKC with abshots I know in my area I might have say 100 guys on my level physically online. That being said this week I got 27 numbers and not one date. I text only for logistics after a brief introduction and I get those digits on 3-4 messages. Girls online don't want to meet ANYBODY it's a game to them. No amount of game or looks can make it not a waste of time. On Monday alone I got two numbers in person and by today Sunday have fucked both of them with future dates locked in. Sure you might get lucky online but it's just that luck. Don't waste your time gents I can close faster in person and show off my charisma instead of texting some fickle bitch with Myspace angles for 3 weeks hoping we meet online.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Girls online don't want to meet ANYBODY it's a game to them.

People use the online space to validate and kind of simulate real life. Odds are most girls there are active for validations reasons. They are also much to intimidated if they come across a guy who's vastly out of their league. I never used online communities for anything other than peoples studies. It's fascinating to learn what makes people tick like that.

[–]askmrcia 10 points11 points  (0 children)

My entire summer was like this. Got tons of numbers online and I can't tell you how many flaked when I asked to meet them up.

The biggest flakes I got was "sorry I'm hanging with friends, I'm busy allllll this week, I have a wedding, I'm having dinner with family."

Online is not worth it and I'm only on it when I'm on the toilet. I do far better in real life that the results aren't even close.

I can pull better looking women in real life than I can online. Most are on there for attention or when they have absolutely nothing else to do and they got tired of scrolling through IG and snapchat.

[–]bi_winner 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I absolutely agree with you. I have never even tried online gaming, because I know many girls in real life, and what their perspective is. For a vast majority it is a validation game, for the rest well they are probably diseased now.

The real alphas and gamers hit the clubs and parties, they never waste their time on online dating. Social media is another thing though they are present there but as the cool, only logging in once in awhile type of guy.

I try to position myself according to this strategy as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a good augment to increase some meets send out messages for 5-10 mins while you take a morning shit. Other then that don't bother

[–]Kisstafer1 1 point2 points  (6 children)

you need to up your online game bro, i am like a 6/10 i have a decent face but im strong fat, nowhere near the aesthetics you claim, and I fuck bitches from tinder. I don't necessarily see it as worth the time input either, though, and agree with your overall message that in person is much more effective. But it can be done.

for reference, i get like 1 match a day and they're usually ugly as sin. Once a week or so if I'm using tinder every day while I ride the streetcar to work I'll get a decently attractive match. Usually from the Super Like feature. I'm actually convinced that Tinder has some kind of visibility restriction on my account, because when I super like a hotty I have a much higher chance she actually matches me back, vs just swiping normally on them.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Tinder is like the high quality version of dating apps. Girls have a thing for confirmation biased. They figure meeting a guy from a shady app makes him shady to. Kind of smart. Tinder is the Coca Cola of drinks, they will trust whatever comes their way. It's part of the culture to. Having Tinder dates is what girls gossip about nowadays.

It also makes her appear less of a slut than say, meeting a guy from HotorNot.com

[–]aolders 11 points12 points  (13 children)

I have a question. If more and more women have such a high n-count and most men have way less, that should mean that some alphas should have even higher n-counts to compensate for the majority of (beta) men. So do some of you have a n-count of a couple of hundred, or even thousand?

[–]talltexan123456 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Lookup Wilt Chamberlain, Vernon Maxwell and Derek Jeter for the answer.

[–]Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 1 points1 points [recovered]

Some NBA player said his N count was around 10,000. Its likely the case that a lot of other low tier sports players are near that level as well.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 10 points11 points  (0 children)

2 girls/day for 13.7 years

or 3 girls/day for 9.1 years

Anything more than that seems like overkill and not very pleasurable due to refractory period. You're just fucking for notch count ego boosts.

It's like these guys have an exclusive subway stop where they just sit and fuck who comes out. A line waiting outside their neighborhoods waiting for their turn to get fucked. Mind boggling.

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes there are a few guys that are getting most of the numbers. Also its not like 80% of the guys are virgins and 20% of the guys are having sex.

80% are having sex, just no where near to the amount of the guys in the 20%.

So women dab here and there in the 80%, but stick to the 20%.

There are tons of guys on this sub who was beta as hell, but still managed to have sex and get a girlfriend. Just remember that.

[–]Hjalmbere 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know a guy who used to be a male model. Handsome face, fit, low body fat. N-count in excess of 800. He's a quantity over quality guy and has created a lot of alpha widows. And this guy is not even famous.

Guys like him are the unsung soldiers of pussy price inflation.

[–]bi_winner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those guys you are looking for will never be wasting their time here. Don't be so naive.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 21 points22 points  (6 children)

Women see all this as a game and to them it is. I live in SoCal, where every woman thinks she is 3 points higher on the scale then reality. You can already begin to see a change happening in place like LA and SD. The Women in these cities just ruthlessly abuse beta males. They have no shame tossing a pity handy or kiss to a beta for some blow and a drink.

But here is the flip side to the coin, the silver liner I have found in all this. As more and more women turn to social media outlets for validation, the value of in person validation SKYROCKETS. I have gotten extremely strong responses from women with just the smallest amounts of in person validation.

Here is an RL example:

Couple weeks ago I'm picking up some lunch and as I head in I notice the 20 something cashier clacking away on her phone. Nothing new, the place is dead, pretty normal. Walk in, order my sandwich then I notice a ring she has on. Overall the girl is about a 7, I comment on the ring and we start chatting. I tell her to take her lunch and join me, the other dude begrudgingly says he'll watch the register and we sit down.

We talked, I got her number and facebook but she ended up flaking too many times and my interest died off really fast. But the interesting part of the conversation wasn't anything said, but her actions. I noticed her phone was buzzing off the hook and she was getting annoyed about it. I friended her on facebook after I left the shop. What I noticed was roughly a few minutes before I came in she had posted a generic "hot girl bored at work" selfie.

Our interaction had happened before she could start to get the validation drip from the post. So when I came in and gave her the in person validation of hitting on her, she took that instead. Her phone going off constantly was all the likes from beta males and her basic friends on that last picture.

So these guys have been constantly showing up on her page, liking every picture, dumping all this time, effort, mental power in coming up with quirky comments. They respond to every notification that she updated her page, they post "thinking of you" bullshit on her wall.

I literally walked in, order a sandwich from her and commented on her Mario Bros ring and she was all over it.

Social media is still a key part to displaying and maintaining your SMV. It is something you need to master if you want to be successful with younger woman on a large scale. But as more and more women realize the facade of virtual validation, the value of in person validation will continue to climb.

You need to create situations and an environment for yourself where you are coming in face to face contact with new attractive women consistently. This will shoot you way above anyone on her "tinder/social media" radar as long as you keep some attraction/mystery going on between you two.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 19 points20 points  (5 children)

Spot on. The very idea that this system is workable and its just how men and women interacted is ludicrous. Back in the hunter/gatherer times women didn't have access to every man in the world. Just a hundred or so people. Infidelity was easily spotted and generally the group was much tighter for it. Nowadays things are a fuckfest of chaos and degeneracy. Men are opting out and picking whatever strategy better fits them. You can be assured that this strategy isn't best for women. It takes two to tango after all.

And this validates what you said in your post. Women will be completely blind sided the moment they hit the wall and can't hamster away the pump and dumping. In order to do this the woman has to find a new man. The moment she is dumped by her former Chad who grew bored off her she needs a replacement. Without it dread sets in and women get all suicidal.

Right now people don't want to believe this and continue to believe in the power of female beauty or in the case of plugged in betas, in the good heart of a woman. Neither of them are true and the implosion will be fucking ugly. I also predict that men will become much more vile and cruel to women (especially the millennial and after generations). Since they never grew up building positive emotions towards women, on no relational level what so ever.

In the experience of these men, women were simply never a constant in their lives. So when women finally realize they have to follow a realistic pattern that suits their looks x male availability x age, there's no more men to catch her. Worse even, men will simply sadistically pump and dump these wall hitters for laughs. I already see all this happening.

Take my grandmother for example. The amount of good will that she gathered from men in her family and those in the community she used to live, continues to this day. And she fucking moved countries. Everyone loves my grandmother. She might be old and withered but this doesn't matter. In comparison what kind of good will have modern women gathered? Their family is either broken or hated by her. Her only friends are bitchy co-sluts who used eachother to enable their misbehaving. Any past boyfriend probably is disgusted to his very core. All available men who don't know her yet simply believe the modern status quo- which is that all women suck, are sluts and don't deserve favorable treatment. What is left in such a world for women other than cats?

I've said it again and again. The fact that average women aren't aware of their average looks will be their undoing. It's a massive weak spot. Women only have 2 things that give them any assurances. The first is their looks and the second is the goodwill that was gathered throughout their lives. And modern women have chosen to throw both away.

[–]1Captain_Save_A_Hoe_[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

8000 years ago about 63% of humans were female, 37% were male. Estimates say women back then still had 17:1 sex ratio.

Now countries like Sweden have a worse male to female balance than China.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Which means that women had to fight more competitively over the male population and even settle for harems. More importantly though I still remain convinced that the old system off 100 person communities with little mingling from outside places was much more stable for both women and men than the modern interconnected model.

And yes men have the same supply of possible pussy prospects as women have. But I have noticed men are much more moved by the departure of a woman than vice versa. You'd have to be dark triad to achieve the levels of uncare women seem to exhibit.

[–]NietzscheExplosion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bingo! So weird people think "cave men/women" were monogamous. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GUYS THINK THEY GOT SO FUCKED UP???

It's more than 200000 years old (polygamy/hypergamy) and predates Humans.

[–]whyisrumgone 11 points12 points  (2 children)

One thing I've thought about in terms of this is the crossover of the gay hookup culture into the hetero world. It was happening around the same timeline that you mentioned. After all, it wasn't Tinder itself that blew N-counts through the roof. Due to Aids in the 80's people became aware of the gay hookup scene and eventually that moved itself into the hetero-world. Tinder was based off of Grinder and all of that together with no limit social media connection and the "go girl/ slut it up" post feminism wave and it seems to be a perfect storm.

If u/ CaptainSave_A_Hoe can come up with a medically acceptable version of *thousand cock stare" into the DSM IV manual I'm sure he'll get his 15min of fame from that in the next few years

[–]1PantsonFire1234 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Degenerates are a corruption that spreads. Gay to hetero. No surprised there. Why do you think hetero men are disgusted by game men? It's degeneracy and it implies your society is sick.

[–]Hjalmbere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's funny in a way, they're getting married and heteros are hooking up.

[–]gazzaa2 44 points45 points  (19 children)

While this is true, in reality most girls always have boyfriends or are in relationships. The difference is if they become single again they can whore it up for a bit, but most women don't leave a relationship unless they have another one lined up anyway.

In the department I work in, there's about 40 women from late teens to 50s age. You could count on one hand how many aren't either married or in an exclusive relationship. Out of a similar number of men far more are single.

Most women are never really single, not for more than 5 minutes. The women who engage in high levels of casual sex (other than perhaps at college for a bit) are usually damaged goods to begin with and have serious daddy type issues. The lack of strong fathers is what's making more women like this.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's a gradient though. Some women openly cheat while in relationships on a compulsive level. Others are serial monogamist with some fun in between.

Even though I know that most normal women are open to a relationship with me I can't bring myself to it. The knowledge of what most of them have done before me doesn't get me emotionally wet. And after being single for such a long time I kind of hate the idea of being tied down. I tried it a couple of times and it were the worst months of my life. Pure misery.

[–]Batmansiphone 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Surely the amount of women and men being single would be the same? Since they are in a relationship together and the population is roughly 50/50

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I work in an industry that has a lot of higher SMV women in it. Not one woman I work with is single. The single carousel riding woman is a myth. They may be carousel riders, but they aren't single. They all have boyfriends or fiances or husbands. Every single one

[–]gazzaa2 13 points14 points  (0 children)

They're never single. Even if they cheat or flirt they're still in a supposedly exclusive relationship.

A 5+ SMV woman of fertile age will nearly always have a boyfriend who thinks she's his.

This doesn't change until they head towards their 40s and start initiating divorces without realising the effect of the wall and kids on her SMV.

[–]askmrcia 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The single carousel riding woman is a myth.

Not exactly. A woman can date a guy for a month or three months and that can be considered their boyfriends. Or that could be considered "seeing someone." And that "seeing someone" can be either them classifying themselves as still single or actually dating someone. This ofcourse depends on who the girl is telling this too.

However, they break up after a month or whatever and find someone else. Repeating this, that can be three to four boyfriends in a year. Doing that all throughout their 20s and 30s, that relationship number is racking up.

So yea I rarely see truly single chicks sleeping around with the whole city. But what I do see, is tons of chicks that have boyfriends, flings, or is seeing someone, but those relationships are temporarily. And once they end, they are on to the next. So in a way that is riding the cock carousal because they are having so many temp relationships that the number of people they are sleeping with is rising.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On women always being in relationships.....I think this is why "cuck" is a less than appropriate epithet around here. The response to open hypergamy is spinning plates.

This is also why I stopped playing online before I really started. I do think that some women treat online dating seriously......for locking down either AF or BB.....since I'm neither, I'm better off in meat space (not AF as in not top 10%, as I'm in my 40's in a place with lots of quality men).

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I'm not living in the US, but in Europe, and social media is huge here as well. Tinder not really, but Facebook and Instagram - I don't know any girl who is not there. One thing I noticed is that if a man is not present on social media, it's a red flag for a girl, especially for those young college-aged girls. If you're in your late 20s or around 30, they'll assume that you're either a player or you're married and want to cheat on your wife (you're not on social media so a girl can't find out that you're married). Or if you have a Facebook profile with only a few photos - red flag as well.

These girls grew up with smart phones and social media, so it's extremely weird for them to meet someone who isn't there at all. They want to take a peek at your private life, and if they cannot, it's triggering their alarm. It's kind of like saying "I don't have a cell phone" 5 or 6 years ago, people would look at you weird. It's the same thing with social media now. It's very frustrating.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's sad really. I have FB but i only use it to connect with my aunt. I don't do shit with it. The one time I did post something I felt like a total creep seeking everyone's approval.

[–]ObviouslyRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I prefer snap chat stories, it feels more like bragging than looking for attention since the 'likes' etc. Are removed. No one knows how many women are hitting you up off it and so their hamster wheel spins. I use Facebook mostly for spreading politics and debating. (Debating is actually a hobby of mine)

[–]MisfitMind00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also a European and my perception is the same. As a young male, if you don't have an active social media profile, it's like you don't even exist.
Another pattern I notice is that when women go out at night, they're usually shielded by a bunch of male friends, which difficults outside cold approaches. Women very rarely go out in all-female groups. At least, in my experience.

[–]throwaway_pua182 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Relax on the bitterness. It will fuck up your game.

The best thing we can do as Red Pill aware males is to ADAPT to the current landscape. The fundamental premise of this "movement" or ideology is that it's reactionary to the current cultural norms.

Fuck the girls, don't take what they say too seriously. Get what you can out of it, and if at any point the COST isn't worth the BENEFIT, drop them and find another (abundance mentality).

Stop looking for a unicorn.

If you plan to have a daughter, that's a different story. Check out the Mark Baxter podcast with Rollo Tomassi on raising kids in a red pill way.

[–]PowerVitamin[🍰] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I find young girls around age 20 to be pretty useless at flirting too. It's like the only thing they can do is display ability to get attention from men. It's like "bitch, you don't need to prove to me you can get the attention of men. You're a 20 year old female. Prove to me you can keep one around for more than a week." I'll be initially interested in some of these girls, but by the third time I've met them, I want them as far away from me as possible. Rofl

It's weird how this has happened in just the last 7 years. It's like millennials have lost all their game and dance around from attention to attention like lost puppies and wonder why they don't find fulfillment in life. Isn't that the number 1 thing millennials want out of their careers, fulfillment? Haha. Someone take this generation's smartphones away.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 8 points9 points  (1 child)

20 year old girls are usueless at everything but for fucking. The majority of the college and below crowd are ignorant simpletons. Mich of them have never worked a day in their lives. Living off their parents, watch msm tv, jerk off to porn, play video games, drink booze, smoke weed, and use social media. Most have never left their hometown until after highschool. Most kids in this generation have never read a book outside of school. They have no point of reference outside the school system.

[–]stoicsoul87 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Lot of interesting points. I see this behavior by women everywhere. Most of the tweets by young women are something along the lines of

"Fuck whoever you want. Build yo resume sistas!"


"Men ain't shit"

I see tweets like these all the time. They don't seem to be able to connect the sentiments behind the two. It's like their brains and their bodies are at war with each other.

[–]askmrcia 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"Fuck whoever you want. Build yo resume sistas!"

Wow. I knew it was bad, but not that bad.

Anyways there was a Breakfast Club interview last week (its a popular radioshow) and they had some 40 year old female artist/actor on it.

She was literally bragging about how she went through a "ho phase" and how she cheated on dudes in her past. Bragging about it.

That wasn't the worse part though. The worse part was all the young female ladies coming to her defense in the comment section on the YouTube video. Crazy as hell.

[–]Philhelm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She was literally bragging about how she went through a "ho phase" and how she cheated on dudes in her past. Bragging about it.

She's just trying to act like a male.

[–]Genei_no_Miria 10 points11 points  (14 children)

the girl I fell in love with meets so many(not just this post) of the criteria listed on this sub-reddit, kinda scary and sad

[–]1PantsonFire1234 28 points29 points  (13 children)

It's usually the girls who are the easiest to connect with sexually and emotionally, that are the most broken. What's easy for you is easy for another guy. Remember that.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 7 points8 points  (3 children)

That's something I've realised recently. It's sad and hard to accept. The easier it is to get on with them the easier she is.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 7 points8 points  (2 children)

It's a paradox because on one side there's this open and very fun person who you pretty much rolled into. Literally and figuratively. But at the same time that person is a worthless skank that gets plowed by everyone. The town bike.

The middle road is a girl who is very easy to talk to but hard to sexually open with. That's a good quality girl. Alteast compared to most chicks nowadays.

[–]blurtard 3 points4 points  (1 child)

How do you tell the difference between a woman that's hard to open sexually and a woman that's trying to make you an orbiter?

[–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm still trying to figure that out. Personally I have not met a woman who's trying to make me an orbiter ever since I was a teenager. I think it's because I start flirting from the beginning and make my intentions clear and give zero indications of wanting to be their friend. Actually I emphasize that allot, I hate female friendships. For good reason.

Lots of guys make the mistake to want to build something up with a woman. Treating it like a male friendship. That's an orbiter trap. You shouldn't be giving any form of commitment or affection until she's given some form of sex. And even then, it should be little.

The best signs I've seen where girls who slowly opened up sexually are for example: one of my first girlfriends sent me an asspic the day we matched on Tinder. Another girl I talked to years later only started sending me those after we had had steady sex for a while. She liked me from the start just as much if not more and I asked for it, but she broke much later. This tells me she's not as loose about sending guys nude pics. Measure how long it takes for a girl to break until she does something sexual for you and you have a good indication how easy she is for other men. She has to be infatuated with you from the start in order for this experiment to work.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

A while back i was trying to get with a single mom who I went to school with and what you said is exactly true. I'm very glad I got out of that situation quick (I had no plans on being there long-term). She's already planning to marry this older dude after knowing him like 7 months. What a train wreck is all I can say.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Welcome to the world of modern day women. Most succesfull women in the generation of all women in human history!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They moved in after like 4 months together. I expect him to potentially find this sub within a couple years lol.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had a very weird relationship experience where everything happened at light speed. The whole honeymoon phase, loss of frame, branch swinging and the subsequent fallout. It still baffles me to no end to watch other couples be a thousand times more fucked up and beta and still last. Something tells me they will live together (miserably mind you) for a total of 2 years before they cut it off.

[–]Genei_no_Miria 0 points1 point  (2 children)

thank you, I'll keep that in mind(have to admit, thought I was a special snowflake since we had so much in common haha)

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Girls make sure they have things in common with you. In reality they are nothing so it's easy for them to suddenly take on your beliefs and interests. The only thing you two had in common was that you both needed the other for something.

[–]student28567271 1 points1 points [recovered]

What's easy for you is easy for another guy.

Mind = blown. It sounds extremely obvious when stated like that, but for some reason I never thought of this before.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't fault yourself. It's human nature to not want to think yourself out of a to-good-to-be-true story. Just remember that people (therefor girls) are also a constant. You are a constant in your personality, though it might evolve.

The same holds true for women, the way they act towards you is mostly how they react towards other men. Sure the depth of their reactions are based on how good your game is etc. But the personality remains the same. Only certain types of BPD/NPD girls know how to split personalities so effectively that you might never know her.

[–]biggerbetterjobs 12 points13 points  (0 children)

There's not going to be a huge mental health crisis. This is the natural hedonistic state of human nature without repression via culture.

If anything, what will happen is Our culture will lose energy and degenerate over a few generations and generally weaken. For example: Your parents get divorced, when you have kids you didn't have that mental image burned into your brain of a father who lead things successfully, just what a divorced dad would do. Thus you become one (not always, but most of the time). You were raised with less discipline and thus your offspring even less.

When a culture degenerates to such an unorganized state, it just gets conquered. They're easily conquered due to their lack of organization or shall we say "patriarchy".

Womens' looks don't matter unless they're top percentile in the grand scheme of things as long as they're fuck-able. The lesser than attractive women were probably mostly concubines in ancient times.

The only reason why "average" guys in the past got laid is because society had more enforced moral/social norms. These norms leftists cry about ironically help them in securing a future with a wife and having children. They also aid women with a man to be there and provide for her economically, romantically, and dutifully. These social norms are also the reason why most women aren't chad concubines in 2017 (actually nvm lol).

There is a reason why the bible and other religious texts are so prudent on sexual relations. Perversion turns society weak and makes it more easily conquerable by enemies.. Or themselves.

Also: I wanted to note.. If you suck at online dating.. Sorry man but it's because you're ugly, as plain as a saltine, have a shitty personality, or some shit stew of those three issues. You can fix this simply by dressing better, lifting, tightening your game/social skills, adopting a better more friendly attitude, etc.. ALSO simply making dating and sex not that important and understanding that fucking up is OK, getting cheated on and left is OK, getting dumped is OK.. Life moves on.. can help prevent you from psyching yourself out with "DID I ACT BETA? FUCK I LOST MY UNICORN!"

[–]NeoreactionSafe 16 points17 points  (25 children)


In case some of you are "slow" to realize the "causes" of these "effects" I'll expain things clearly for you.

Starting in 1900 in every field from Physics, Politics, Religion, Music, etc we have seen a move away from understanding the "Cause and Effect" relationships that operate in the world:


  • Music no longer has melody.

  • Politics creates systems based on "feelings".

  • Religion gives power to women who are the source of manipulation.

  • Physics no longer worries about causality, but looks just at descriptions.


Why would the Western world be so stupid?

What happened?

The true "cause" is an idea hatched long ago where there would be a Globalist Tyranny where the very few would rule the masses as slaves.

We've all seen the "Hunger Games" movies... that's pretty much the planned for future if not worse.


The Blue Pill mythology is designed to break the linkage between "Cause" and "Effect".

Let's do a thought experiment:


Imagine you went to the same magic show night after night. Each night the magicians pull the same tricks, but you can never figure out the causes. Over time you might give up and simply become descriptive of the tricks. You might predict that every night has the same tricks and settle on that as Truth.


This is how the Blue Pill mythology is created.

They will emotionally program you over and over and over to see an outcome in your mind which is what is desired. Over time you will anticipate the trick as being real. You are a slave... you did not think for yourself and accepted the popular view of reality which is Blue Pill conformity. You believe the trick is reality.

But let's say the Globalist Tyranny doesn't need so many slaves.

Maybe the Globalist Tyranny wants to reduce world population... what tricks might they pull to cause that to happen?

Well... Feminism is the destruction of the female mind and it destroys her soul in a deep and profound way. She dies of a kind of mental poison.

For men the dreams of unicorns are implanted so that he never learns of masculinity and never knows the Truth either.

The whole thing is a trick to depopulate the West.

The Globalist Tyranny wants us all dead or enslaved.

We must wake up to all of it from the lowest level to the highest.


[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

For men the dreams of unicorns are implanted so that he never learns of masculinity and never knows the Truth either.

that was me about a year ago before finding theredpill, mgtow and other places, I believed the fairy tales i was told by popular media

[–]NeoreactionSafe 7 points8 points  (0 children)


It's nothing to be ashamed of... you were just following the herd mind.

The Blue Pill mythology is everywhere and to be able to avoid it you are either "too wise" (or Red Pill informed) or "too stupid".

They have found that people of IQ's below about 50 cannot be easily brainwashed because they basically register below the Blue Pill target of about 75-100 IQ.

Most people simply accept the default social consensus and conform.



[–]TheMajesticDoge 3 points4 points  (4 children)

What is wrong with today's music? Most popular music may suck, but there is a lot of good music being made.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (3 children)


Does it have a melody?

Does the melody give you a complete "out and back" experience? (how far?)

If not... then the music is one dimensional.

The beat doesn't matter... melody creates the sense of order and it can elevate the mind to higher levels.

Most music now is designed to Dumb you Down. (overly tight and simplistic)




If the concept of "Amused Mastery" were to be applied to music then it would be a melody.

One might say the melody is "the pattern you remember".


[–]TheMajesticDoge 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Can you give me an example of old popular music with ,,melody''? Music is subjective

[–]NeoreactionSafe 5 points6 points  (0 children)


Melody is when the music flows along in a regular pattern.

The more complex the pattern the better... up to a point.

However, if you have ever listened to Indian Classical Music (Ravi Shankar for example) it can go on these very long and complex patterns swirling off into many different directions but then when you fear being totally lost the music will stap back to precisely where you started.


The dreamer awakens... he returns to the beginning.

But maybe in the next cycle it changes.

That's the extreme of pattern development.

Melody is objective... it's patterns.

Subjective is feelings and requires no pattern... that makes it garbage.


[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (11 children)

Things go even deeper man. This whole thing has gone on for millennia and won't stop until it's been completely resolved. The problem is that women by default will listen to lies. And men won't wake up until things get bad. Until then every beta believes he's an alpha and is to ego invested. You need a pretty darn big spark to light up this shit.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (10 children)


Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill mythology.

We're having fun doing it right?

To "Kill the Beta" is fun.

We aren't depressed, we love this war... we love to destroy the Blue Pill.

Kill one beta at a time... wake them up.


[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (9 children)

I wonder my friend, I fear this world is far larger than anyone of us ever dreamed. And the rabbit hole goes deep. Much deeper than sexual strategy. Since everything is connected we will never be rid of this taint until we strike at the core. We will be forever running in cirkels, not understanding the root of our misery.

To kill the beta is like trying to douse a forest fire with a bucket of water. We need a bigger wave. Even better, we need to suffocate the flames before they even spread. People will never believe anything until they see it with their own eyes. Just like most men don't grasp TRP until they were fucked over by some hoe. People need to see the truth to understand it.

But how and when to do this remains the biggest question of all. In all honesty I'm years past using RP lingo to define how to best deal with women. That part was easy. I can only hope others have this to.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 6 points7 points  (8 children)


Was just reading some redacted papers from the FBI related to Tesla.

You know what he was working on towards the end of his life?

Global wireless communications. (1930's)

You know what people commented about the idea at the time?

They said it was "impractical".

Tesla often spoke about resonance energy that a very small but persistent energy of the correct frequency can effect something many times larger.

The Red Pill is a specific frequency designed to destroy the Blue Pill.

We only need precision and persistence.


[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I don't follow the last line two lines. I know Tesla had all kinds of reclaimed tech in the woodworks. Free energy for one.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (2 children)


Be certain to go back to the actual words Tesla spoke.

Many people really fundamentally hate Tesla because he was more like David Icke than the modern day so called "skeptic".

Most people would be amazed at how Tesla understood many things outside what we would consider mainstream science.

He was the most brilliant inventor of human history and without a doubt more of our modern day world is based on his intuition than from any other source.

"Think for Yourself"... go get the original evidence in his quotes.


[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He understood natural law and could read the universe for what it is. You will find that the most revolutionary people in any field, be it science, sports, politics- they can all read the 'code' behind everything.

Tesla actually spoke of this where he explained how he began to theorize an idea and than worked it out. Which was very different from the way science was traditionally done. Basically he said that if he could conceive something in his mind then it could be conceived in reality. Which is absolutely true.

[–]ObviouslyRP 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So, like the ears of those in power? How can we change anything besides the humidity of our dicks?

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (2 children)


We learn how the magic tricks are done.

It's really very simple... the Blue Pill mythology is created by using repetition.


On the fake news tv shows they start repeating over and over again that Trump won the election because of Russian interference.

Today they find that 6% of the population actually believe it must be true.

So for very little effort it was possible to create a block of people (about 10 million) who believe exactly what they were brainwashed to believe.

This is the magic trick.


Ideally people demand a higher standard where Cause and Effect are understood clearly and manipulation is excluded, but most people are lazy and allow themselves to be swept away by magic tricks.

The Red Pill teaches young men how to spot magic.

We see fake news and know it's fake.


[–]ObviouslyRP 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Good points, I haven't been fooled by the news. I mostly don't even open articles outside of here unless it's obvious they were able to report facts based on reality.

You would think they would understand that getting brainwashed by big money globalists is meddling also, and there was collusion among those interests to influence the outcome of the election. Every major news source outside fox was pushing hard for Hillary. Which is fucking disgusting. I was disgusted by the whole thing. I pulled the R lever with a vote for Gary. Glad trump won looking back though. My only concern being the upcoming 2018 midterms.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)


We win the batle by killing more betas.

"Enjoy the Destruction" of the Blue Pill mythology.

Politics is just about the puppets, but in order to see how the crimes are acted out you need the Red Pill understanding of how manipulation (Game) works.

The battle is in the soul first and then we see as a secondary reaction an effect by seeing politics flow with it.

Cause and Effect.

Red Pill waking up causes an effect we know as the Alt Media and Alt Right.


It really shouldn't be called the Alt Right.

Truth is like a bullseye... it's the absence of myth. (error left communism, error right fascism)

Ideally we would be the "Alt Center" or "Truth Core" or something that reflected that we're dealing with an objective Truth that is eternal.

Maybe the:


  • "Eternal Truth Party"


  • "Natural Law Party"


  • "Myth Destroyers Party"


...the concept of left and right is itself a problem.


[–]Docbear64 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The perfect support for this is the Healthy At Every Size Movement . I've been reading a lot of post on fatlogic and other weight loss subs and to a certain number of people the idea that what you eat is related to your weight at all is lost. Things like being genetically fat , naturally an obese weight , being fat because everyone sucks and has unrealistic beauty standards, The very simple concept that what you consume effects your health is being destroyed , ignored, and overlooked by people . It's ludicrous but one more example of Cause and Effect being skewed .

[–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (2 children)


The greatest victim since the end of the 1800's is Cause and Effect.


Before 1900 in physics you needed a Cause and Effect explanation or everyone would say "Bullshit".

But after 1900 with the extensive use of complex math to describe the Effect it became possible to ignore the Cause and people meekly accepted this lower standard because it gave pragmatic near term results.


Today even the description fails.



Notice how quickly there is a desire to use more math as the solution.

The "Standard Model" breaks?

Okay... let's invent more magical particles.

To the Amused Mastery mind (like Tesla from long ago) all this math is a joke.


My own view is that the answers are to be found in Natural Law.

One of the core ideas is that there is always polarity in the universe.

If space is created then a counterspace must also be created.

As we see physics today from "nothing" comes "something" in a Big Bang.

The more likely scenario is that space and counterspace co-create at the same time.


The bottom line is we are in a situation where it's like a big software project and millions of dollars are invested in a legacy system. It's very expensive to throw away an existing system when it gives useful results even if only within narrow parameters.

Quantum Physics is based on a descriptive model that no longer even describes reality as we already know it.

So we remain attached to the legacy code.


[–]NietzscheExplosion 2 points3 points  (1 child)


Cause and effect: such a duality probably never exists; in truth we are confronted by a continuum out of which we isolate a couple of pieces, just as we perceive motion only as isolated points and then infer it without ever actually seeing it. The suddenness with which many effects stand out misleads us; actually, it is sudden only for us. In this moment of suddenness there are an infinite number of processes which elude us. An intellect that could see cause and effect as a continuum and a flux and not, as we do, in terms of an arbitrary division and dismemberment, would repudiate the concept of cause and effect and deny all conditionality.|

from Nietzsche's The Gay Science, s.112, Walter Kaufmann transl..

[–]ObviouslyRP 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So, what's the solution? We are actively punished for breeding.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)


Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill mythology.

"Kill the Beta".

Wake up... become disillusioned... see the magic tricks... recognize fake news.


We are in a war of ideas but not a war of bullets.

Take pleasure in our war to Red Pill everyone.


[–]grewapair 10 points11 points  (2 children)

They aren't going to commit suicide or even care about any of this, and your revenge fantasies need to stop because they mostly don't come true.

As an older TRP'er, here's what happens. The blue pillers who have been banging their heads against a wall and striking out from age 18-35 will finally find some post wall woman who figures out the Chads have disappeared, who will hold her nose and date the guy.

She'll will have been sifting through the red pill guys, who she knows see right through her, until she finds some beta who has been making more and more money, and then she'll put on "the act". She'll pretend she loves him, while seething with disrespect, and he won't pick up any of it.

"Yahoo, my hard work has come to fruition, now women are seeing me for who I am: a great catch", he'll think. Nothing could be further from the truth, but she's out of options and he's the last musical chair, so she takes him. He'll marry her, basically to prove to everyone that he too can get a girl, and they'll have a couple of kids.

When the youngest kid is in school full time, she'll divorce the beta guy and jump right back on the cock carousel. If she manages to stay in shape, she'll find someone older for NSA sex, all the while living on the ex husband's money. That is if he's lucky. Otherwise, she'll just cheat.

This is our society. MEN either made it or allowed it to happen. We have no one to blame but ourselves. But no, women are not going to commit suicide, that role will be left for us. Having given up your hopes and dreams for a lie, it will be you, not her, who kills yourself.

[–]dontgiveupcarib 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Expect more libertarian society. I don't want to give money to women who are depressed cuz they rode the CC instead of building a family.

[–]ObviouslyRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well hopefully the suicide rate will take 2% out because currently they are the majority and along with betas voting for what's best for women rather than themselves, politics will favour women

Edit: plus more women are being born than men

[–]RedPillWintergreen 2 points3 points  (5 children)

All true. But I just can't understand why anyone, 'alpha' or otherwise, would waste their time on an ugly chick.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

All true. But I just can't understand why anyone, 'alpha' or otherwise, would waste their time on an ugly chick.

Same reason females have beta orbiters, they use them for free stuff...% of men able to do this to women is smaller. Females have a dozen of higher quality men on tap to do this to

[–]ObviouslyRP 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I have had whatever the female version to beta bucks are before. They would buy me pot, booze to keep me banging them. Take me to movies, concerts etc. Driving me there, buying all the food and drinks. I had to be like heroin to them. Most of them hit the wall hard(at 18-19) right after me because they knew no one else with as high of a smv would ever fuck with them. Hitting the wall via shoveling food down their necks after getting ghosted because just like a heroin addict they will get pretty insane from the attention of someone so much higher in value than themselves. Then they turn to feminism and start screeching.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It's usually a woman that passes as bangable, but you dont wanna tell anybody. Could have had a sugar momma situation. She was willing to pay me in goods and weed to make regualr visits to her apartment and implied that she wanted me to move in (free rent), but I know she'd eventually want to hang out outside the home... I'd basically be her sponge boyfriend. No thanks. Women have to be emotionally tended to constantly and she wasn't worth that effort. If I got her pregnant, I'd feel like a total loser.

[–]ObviouslyRP 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This. She passed as bangable but was nothing to brag about. I haven't had many. Took her to a party full of betas and told her no one would bang her. This made it a challenge or something and the next morning she had herself a beta boyfriend and I was free from her constantly trying to hangout

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lol. She thought pursuing another man was her idea, it was actually implanted through suggestion.

[–]xandermorgan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Pretty good post.

The reality sucks that only 20% of dudes get laid on social media, But I'm not gonna let that stop me.

I'm going to adapt and become a %20er.

We must evolve as men to any circumstance. In the past this is how animals passed their genes on.

[–]throwawayIwanttokeep 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're spot on about the mental health issue. Overheard a couple of women talk about how they are on POF and tinder just for the attention they get. These women (4-5s and chubby) and were discussing the best way to hide their figure (picture taken from top with face and boobs in frame) and get more matches. It's like their version of porn. Addicted to constant validation from male-bots and those that are desperate.

[–]okycap 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What about social media impact on men?

[–]1Captain_Save_A_Hoe_[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Having internet friends is like watching porn. You feel great but at the end of the day you feel empty.

[–]Bedtimeshine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No real alpha is on social media at all

[–]Proto_Sigma 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Maybe I'm going insane, but I'm getting a level of deja vu from this. Hasn't this been posted before? Like, word for word before? I've been using this site for more than a year and I've seen this article on the front page at least three times.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't vote on it at all, but if I have criticism of it it's because the premise is without any ability to control or change this phenomenon and therefore it's without consequence.

If chicks are going to fuck on tinder, get fat and hit the wall, who cares? I just hope that taxpayers don't have to pay for their artificially inseminated babies.

[–]FlatEarthShill69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have been at the head of so many unknowing Tinder herums. Im pretty certain society will collapse before these women hit 40. Enjoy the ride while it lasts boys. Lift and hang bitches out to dry.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

We are starting to see some exmaples of the mental health issues in the number of unmarried women killing themselves as they hit the wall. That kind of extreme reaction will happen more and more as time goes on. Granted there will be much higher occurrences of less severe mental health issues, and I can't even guess what those will look like. Animosity towards men for rejecting them and perhaps a kind of female MGTOW movement will begin to take form?

[–]PMmecouplets 2 points3 points  (0 children)

a female MGTOW movement would be the height of irony, considering women have done all this shit TO THEMSELVES. no one forced them to fuck Chads, get blown the fuck out by age 23, and end up rapidly losing their SMV while their higher achieving friends at least got married, had kids, and stopped contributing to the fucking chaos in the world.

this shit's all on them, their fucked up helicopter parents (or single mothers), and the divorce culture that started back in the '70s. millennial, and even later Gen X, girls are quickly running out of places to point their little finger. patriarchy can't save you now, gals.

[–]Alexinfinite01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm going to keep an eye on that suicide rate in the upcoming years. I bet you're right and is be curious to see how it goes. I imagine a lot of bemoaning over the suicide "crisis" in the female population will make mild headlines. Not that suicide is something to scoff at, but no one bats an eye at male suicide. So it'll be interesting to see what the comments are going to be

[–]animalsarecool69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Social media in general is so much worse than we think .

[–]bellforwins2 5 points6 points  (9 children)

In this day and age as a guy, you are simply missing out big time if you are not big on social media. The benefits of having 1k+ followers on Instagram and a poppin social media account are legit. I know the neckbeards will make a case about how it is "fake" and how it can "ruin you", link to some shitty studies, but the truth is if you get obsessed with it then that is on you. It is like blaming fast food for people being fat instead of poor discipline on their part.

Girls look through Instagram accounts and the second they find one of a high SMV guy with 1k+ followers and cool pics, they are all talking about how they will fuck him and want to sleep with him, it is social proof to the extreme. I have had girls come across a poorly done social media account and auto-reject a guy for it. If they couldn't find him on there, it because he was "weird".

Not saying any of this is right but you are missing out a great fucking deal in this day and age if your Instagram and social media accounts are lacking, that is just the truth.

[–]PMmecouplets 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lmao that is truly pathetic

[–]Eydtkuhnen 1 points1 points [recovered]

So, what should we do now? What options do we have left? Going MGTOW?

[–]adool999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who cares about rejections in online sites?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree. Even top rated men get a fraction of messages compared to women on dating apps. Good looking men not only have to work (albeit less so than their uglier counterparts) but they also are competing more for used/ugly goods than they ever had in the past due to the inflation of pussy prices.

This is true-in my case anyway. I pull much better looking in real life than I do on tinder (when I bother to use it).

On another note, social media is damaging to men as well as women. The sheer quantity of options it affords a man reduces his investment in any particular woman in general, so unless you just want to fuck randoms your whole life, this is something that you need to actively monitor usage of.

the above applies far more to women as they get that much more attention.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 0 points1 point  (1 child)

All this said, how can we apply this knowledge to aid our sexual strategy?

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