Rant/Venting"I'd hate to have to settle for a mediocre man" (self.TheRedPill)

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At a family dinner last night I was discussing marriage with my 20 year old sister. She is convinced that she never wants to settle down like most women her age and is wasting the best partner-finding years of her life "having fun". She dismissed my claim that she won't be wanted once she hits the wall at 28 and she said "I'd hate to have to settle for a mediocre man", referring to one of her friend's boyfriends as mediocre. This "mediocre" man has finished an apprenticeship and is earning good, honest money yet is considered mediocre by my sister who is earning far less than this man and won't surpass it in her career.

What makes it worse is that my sister feels she is entitled to top shelf men when she genuinely has NOTHING to offer. She never learnt to cook or clean (like most women of this generation) even though I have recommended her to learn this on many occasions. She expects the man to do this. Furthermore, she has admitted to not wanting children; confirming she has NOTHING to offer to any man, yet only demands the highest of men for her.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 1170 points1171 points  (126 children)

Here's a little exercise, if you wanna witness cognitive dissonance: Ask a woman what she wants in her ideal man. Let her list all the attributes. When she's done, ask her what she brings to the relationship and why she deserves said man. Sit back and watch the hamstering.

[–]tuyguy 256 points257 points  (36 children)

They don't understand. They don't want to know and they therefore don't know because they bend their perception of reality around what they feel to be true.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 148 points149 points  (29 children)

All they need to do is 1. be good hot and 2. not be a slut. Cooking and cleaning is a great plus.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 145 points146 points  (18 children)

You have very low expectations of the people in your life if all you want is a chick that is hot.

[–]yaysmr 188 points189 points  (2 children)

Not quite what he said. The reality is that if a girl is hot and not a slut (read: able to pair-bond) she is GUARANTEED to get a man if she chooses.

That is what has happened to societal expectations of women. A man used to be able to get a hot, loyal(ish), useful wife.

Nowadays she just has to be hot and loyal and he'll just pay someone to cook and clean.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Those thirsty betas are the mediocre men in this situation, ironically.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 41 points42 points  (6 children)

Or people have never met these expectations before. I can live without a girl with a beautiful personality. So long as she's of good genes and doesn't cuck me. Hence number one and two. I can get the company elsewhere, like friends, family, my dog.

Have you met a girl yet that met these expectations? Haven't you noticed that women have dropped the ball ever since they believed they were the most amazing generation on earth?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I find mainly self powered Fleshlights™ they believe they deserve the best, but only offer pussy as the reward. I can get the pussy anywhere, it's not a rare resource.

Honestly I'd like to have a girl who takes care of herself, looks good as she ages, doesn't bring drama, supports herself, and doesn't want nor have kids. I'm fucking girls and giving zero commitment in return, what's that tell you about the girls out there? They're not going to get me all to themselves, they don't get my resources, strength, nor protection, they get fucked and precious little more. It's all most of them are worth

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

As I get older, I do find it amusing. By anyones standards, those are almost laugably low.

Yet, I look around, and the amount of women who can meet them shrink. even by 30, it's almost like you're asking for a unicorn. Be pleasant, be stable, go to the gym and put down the candy.

HB9 woman you've just described

[–]Unnormally2 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's more that they can find someone who has those low expectations without much difficulty.

[–]MichaelTheCycle 9 points10 points  (2 children)

That's fine for a trophy wife, but if they want to have a "partner", and not just a husband then they shoukd be able to offer something more. Intellect, or financial equivalence to the man, etc. This post is great because it displays the stupidity of the double standard girls have. The girl should be able to offer something REAL to the man, besides just being fuckin hot or whatever. Otherwise she can just find a sugardaddy or be a gold digger; who the fuck cares.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 16 points17 points  (1 child)

The art of being hot is lost upon women as much so as they fail to act feminine. Intellect is nice and some homely skills are to. But it's much more important that you have a woman who knows how to be feminine. This entire board always whips men into shape about being dominant, masculine and attractive. But simple things like having a good hourglass shape and acting female are lost upon women to. For now most men tolerate this because pussy.

But once you've got a couple bitches down you will crave to be with a real woman. One who doesn't curse like a drunk, walk like a boy and the behavior of a thug.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 56 points57 points  (5 children)

What I've learned is that men's brains have the ability to hold two or more ideas at the same time. Women's don't. To be able to comprehend logic you have to use an "if, then" process.

As a man, you understand "if she wants a high quality man, then she has to bring something to the table", but women can't comprehend that statement. They only get as far as the first half, "I want a high quality man" before their brains are operating at 100% capacity.

[–]DiriSosPwa 70 points71 points  (2 children)

Did you seriously write this with a straight face?

[–]En-Zu 30 points31 points  (1 child)

I'm willing to bet he was smiling or laughing ha

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I know I'm smiling reading it. Even if that isn't the process, it's exactly the appearance.

[–]OracleofFl 149 points150 points  (28 children)

I do something very similar. I ask the woman to describe a theoretical woman's characteristics that would be a match for Mr. Everything. Then I ask, "Does this describe you?"

Women think they have the right to a Mr. Everything because they are Alpha Widows. Some Alpha Chad banged them and ghosted them after a drunken fraternity party in college and they rationalized it is "I almost landed an Alpha Chad and can next time."

[–]wheresMYsteakAt 16 points17 points  (2 children)

"The one that got away." Meanwhile Chad doesn't even remember the night.

[–]ChadManning1989 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Of course I don't remember... I was fucking Drunk!

[–]joh2141 41 points42 points  (0 children)

I don't even know if these hamstering women are even smart enough to correlate that kind of thing. I feel like they're literally just parroting a line from some rom com they saw.

Seriously just because I banged that really hot chick way back when (seriously I did) doesn't make me a 10 today. It just made either that girl back then seriously dumb/too horny OR she didn't know where she was valued at if I'm not a 10. Yet I'm the evil fucker because I subbed to TRP but a girl demanding things way out of her league is A-OK.

Just replace the girl with a guy and have him try to justify that a girl way out of his league is into him. You'd laugh at him even if you're not trying to be a dick because of how ridiculous that is. Meh but it's important to remember not to get resentful/bitter over it. Important to see these examples to help unplug people but not letting it get out of hand and becoming full on MRA rally.

[–]TheReformist94 30 points31 points  (22 children)

As much as I agree with everything on this sub,and OP etc, there are only two options for a woman. 1) lower your standards 2) be in a harem as there's mathematical not enough men per woman to satisfy hypergamy as 80% are not viable.

The other issue is that women are simply not attracted to most men. So them lowering their standards isn't quite The same as a man going for a 6 or an 8 because we are actually attracted to 6s sexually. A woman is biologically repulsed by anything below an 8. The only way she can be happy is if she doesn't know better,I.e enforcing monogamy and prizing virginity til marriage.

Saying this man has a career apprenticeship is not rele an argument as it pits a mans RMV against a woman's SMV. RMV/Beta qualities to not make a woman tingle like a 6 gives us a hard-on

[–]fuckeduphomebody 16 points17 points  (21 children)

A woman is biologically repulsed by anything below an 8? Sources ?

[–]Docbear64 24 points25 points  (6 children)

There's an old post about OKCupid where it basically shows that men rate 50% of women below average ( Left swipe) by comparison women rate 80% of the men below average. I would search OKCupid in this sub and see if you can't find the post. It was based off one of those date reports OKCupid releases every few months that shows dating trends.

[–]marplaneit 12 points13 points  (11 children)

Not OP, but I would woman are biologically repulsed to every man is 2-1 points lower in her SMV. These goes economically and phisically. A woman who is somewhat a succesful lawyer will never settle down with anyone who doesn't have a high reputation work.

[–]fuckeduphomebody 12 points13 points  (8 children)

oh right. I know what you mean.

You mean a lawyer could settle down with his assistant. However, a woman who is a lawyer will not settle with his male assistant.

Yet, there is a study showing that both women and man watching some erotic images are equally attracted in a sexual way. So, I guess a woman IS NOT "repulses by anything below 8". There are like us attrated to 6s.

[–]fromthecrypt8 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Yes, visually, but what about the second she realizes he is "only" an assistant (and she's a lawyer)? Her attraction will then likely drop in comparison to a situation where he would reveal he was an investment banker or lawyer or doctor or whatever.

A female doctor who marries a male nurse, has - in her own eyes - settled, at least attraction-wise. Relationshipwise she may have won, because she can cuckold him if she ever gets a shot with someone better, and divorce-rape him if he acts up about it. Of course this female doc will rationalize the entire behavior in her own way so she wont be amoral in her own view.

[–]1swaglordobama 5 points6 points  (5 children)

You're looking at the surface.

Yes, for a long term partner she will be very picky. (As a man you should be, too). For casual sex, not so much.

If you are jobless the one thing you CAN do is get laid lol.

Emotional attraction is much more important than physical attraction for women.

You can be a one legged homeless midget with 3 teeth and a micro dick. She will dismiss all of your shortcomings if you are emotional crack.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seen this in action; mixed aboriginal/european lawyer. When I met her, she was talking about her fiance, how she needed to 'make more native babies' (laudable - increasing your tribe, so to speak). A few months later (and after hanging out with some prostitutes... long story, but working on some of their rights issues) she is is the marital breakup cheater... found a high value dude whilst on holiday in Cuba. Relationship lasts a few months, she's knocked up and she doesn't care about her native guy anymore. Why? Well he sure wasn't better than a lawyer!

Jordan Peterson talks about how women always seek someone of higher SMV than themselves. This is an AWALT situation.

[–]majorbollocks 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah i would also like to see some sources for this

[–]DextroShade 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They don't understand that men don't consider every pump and dump to be LTR material.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (2 children)

they don't view reality this way. to a woman, her value is based on the men that she attracts, not any objective traits of her own. and when she goes on social media and has hundreds of orbiters sniffing her ass, that's why she thinks she's amazing.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This, this, so much fucking this. It's why they are ALL on socmed 24/7. Insta/FB/etc., etc. So many thirsty men, their ego's are constantly pumped about their actual value. What they don't get is they are just being seen as something to pump. It's why a 4 with makeup gets 150 likes and 'ooh so sexy' and 'them lips are stunning!' and 'ohh your hair looks great!'. And they believe it. And of course they do. There's a plethora of guys on Tinder willing to fill them up.

I've told several women when thet get upset about the word slut: Hey, we love sluts. Guys are mostly sluts. Nothing wrong with them, if you're upset with the phrase... then don't be a slut. And most importantly, know that we don't want to be with a slut.

Watch the hamster spin on that one.

[–]yomo86 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Tried it many times. All said 'love' or 'me'. As love is something you have to chip in hard cash to get it quite contrary to the BP narrative.

They know the only valuable thing they have is their body. Yet, it is so ambigiuosly phrased that it is the man's fault for not offering hard coin for the 'personality' of a 30yo used up slut. I came to terms with it and bought some cat food stocks just for shits n giggles.

[–]dawgsen 53 points54 points  (5 children)

This might be a good test for a female family member to maybe open the eyes a little bit. Will hopefully get to try some time in the future.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 63 points64 points  (3 children)

I sort of did this to my sister once. I swear to god, on a stack of bibles as thick as Lena Dunham's ass, she said it was because (famous actor) hit on her once. I suspect it was the wine that accelerated that gem past escape velocity to get past the hamster-shield.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

and "hit on her" was probably just talking to her, lol.

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I think of trying to help female relatives in that sense, but most of the time it's a waste of energy. A female cousin of mine is nearing 40, obviously post wall, never had any long lasting relationship, is a careerist, spends all her money on stupid shit, gold digger, has nothing to offer and still thinks she'll get a rich husband(that's the only attribute she cares about). Then the 20 years younger me tries to put some sense in her head but it's like talking to a rock. You might want to help family, but AWALT

[–]recon_johnny 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I guaran-fucking-tee you she will change her goals the closer o the wall she gets. I've seen in it my family at least a half dozen times.

The slut goes into monk mode, never to be seen again. The feminist suddenly loves children and a career is no longer that important. The trad-life woman gets married by 25 and has the most stable marriage.

[–]xeroblaze0 31 points32 points  (6 children)

This is good advice for everyone in general.

I've personally seen it happen where guys say the exact thing, that they expect XYZ from girl but offer almost no comparable value. This sums it up both ways nicely.

[–]joh2141 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Yeah the "I deserve the best but I bring nothing to the table" attitude is rampant because rom coms and stupid sitcoms fill people with the idea that they deserve the best of everything despite not even being a catch or even being a good company in every way possible EXCEPT for sex. Which begins the cycle of how women think they're being treated unfairly and looked down on but that notion was actually pushed by women to begin with. The current modern world we live in? No better place to be born a woman where you basically get nepotism in job hiring process but despite that the women who are still lazy STILL talk like this. Advantages have been stacked in women's favor and a lot of women are just wasting it away like OP's sister.

[–]HS-Thompson 29 points30 points  (1 child)

You want to know the funny part? They're not even good at sex.

I know some women who don't have much to offer but being decent company and wild as all fuck in bed, up for anything, toys, role play, you name it. Like savage seductresses. They're always on the arm of wealthy successful men, going to interesting parties, and so on.

A girl that's amazing in bed is actually worth something. Being actually good at sex is actually pretty solid as a female gameplan.

The women we're talking about her are literally not good at ANYTHING at all and still think they deserve the best. It's literally delusional.

[–]joh2141 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thing is though I'm not sure if it's fair to expect women to bang like porn stars when they're not (only reason why I say this is because we as men know it takes time and effort to become an expert unlike some women who have unrealistic expectation that being an expert should come easy as breathing to alphas). Like for instance, if you marry a young girl who has a small partner count but is well aware of how hot she is, she's not going to be good at sex. She's going to suck. Yet in the market, she's going to valued way better than most of your partners because 1. she's young and 2. she's open to influence. Usually these two factors will outweigh every other traits BECAUSE you can always learn to cook or you can always just hire someone to cook if you're financially stable enough. There's just no need for women to learn cooking or any household skills OR even skills that contribute to being in a couple when all men are looking for is youth and easy to manage. This is why ugly as girls who barely manage to be a 5/10 instantly becomes a 7/10 because older ugly loser guys just fawn over them.

in THAT sense, I guess men have just as big a burden to bear in causing the current state of affairs. But women can always be taught cooking, how to have sex, etc. They can't be taught to be younger or hotter

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They think that they deserve it because of their education and career. It's a very masculine mind set

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Glad someone pointed this out. Guys aren't any different, it's just that society tells the fat, ugly, useless girl that she deserves a 6'5" man with washboard abs and a 6-figure income while laughing at her male counterpart.

This is why TRP is far more about equality than feminism ever was. We recognize that women are people too and most people suck.

[–]LTDlimited 12 points13 points  (0 children)

And god forbid you as a man say you'd like a woman who's inexperienced, that makes you literally the Hitler of Misogyny.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Meanwhile, inside her coconut there is a small furry creature that keeps repeating, "Just don't say 'pussy!' Just don't say 'pussy!' Just don't say 'pussy!'"

Inconvenient truth.

[–]hoomAn12345 1 points1 points [recovered]

The sad thing is a girl like this guys sister and many other low value girls I know want the top shelf men because "top shelf" men don't know how to market their value properly. Even the most basic and low value women have been hit on by beta guys to the point that their compliments inflate a girls self value to astronomical proportions. I know beta bux men from Harvard, Georgetown, Yale, and many other top tier schools. Doctors, lawyers and businessman. All of them follow basic pathetic low value women relentlessly, just because they are attractive and thats their only value. Boosting your bottom of the barrel woman's self value by a lot. When these women get a dose of reality at 28, they tend to go from dating to marriage within months. It's ridiculous.

[–]Lucien78 5 points6 points  (2 children)

""top shelf" men don't know how to market their value properly."

Big problem, but that's because they spend like a decade being treated like shite, working their ass off for nothing while their female counterparts engage in a decade long consequence-free fuckfest with worthless dudes. At that point you've internalized the idea that you're at the bottom of the totem pole sexually, at least.

[–]hoomAn12345 1 points1 points [recovered]

There could be a number of reasons. Working hard is not necessarily for nothing. Working hard (and investing in yourself) is what yields success. For instance, I know this doctor who worked his ass off for years and ultimately he is settling for this low value female. The low value female was a plate of mine. She just ended the cock carousel with me after a break up and wanted more than just what we were. I politely declined. So how does a slut see an ex FWB? As a friend, and she very openly belittles the doctor's appearance to me, his older age, the fact that she can get any guy she wants, and "there might be someone better out there for her". Meanwhile, the doctor thinks he won the fucking lottery. He thinks treating women like a gentleman and like a nice guy like his father did is the way to go. So a case of beta leading the beta. A solid, good looking, high value male with an inherent beta mindset results in a poor self perception of value. The affirmation that internalizes that "you're at the bottom of the totem pole" is when one, who is a high value male, acts like an emotional beta and gets treated like the nice guy he is, regardless of what they do (you could be homeless and have frame and be alpha -look up the homeless dude in NYC who lives in his one night stand's apartments). If you are a beta bux male, you will get valued as one and once you get treated like shit because of it, then the internalization happens. It's a matter of perspective imho.

[–]DextroShade 11 points12 points  (1 child)

She brings her vagina that has had dozens of men cum in it already. As far as she is concerned that's all she needs to get a top tier man, because feminism and body positive.

[–]Lucien78 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hahaha! "Your vagina that dozens of men have already bust a nut in"

Yeah, when you put it like that, it's really not much to offer.

[–]NoMorePoliticsPlease 11 points12 points  (3 children)

It's really simple for me. My ideal partner is someone who I'm emotionally connected to and drawn towards. Someone who I can tell anything to without fear of judgment, and who will be equally open and vulnerable with me. I want to know his or her life as if I'd watched the whole thing as a movie. Someone I feel a sense of oneness with when we kiss. Someone who will face the challenges of life with me as a team, and support me when I fail.

I bring that same companionship, support, openness, and earnest love. I bring the ability to see and be seen without judgment.

The rest doesn't matter. My longest relationship was with an obese nerd who made less than half of what I made. For the three or so years we were together, he made my heart sing and we really understood each other in a deep way. That's what matters. I still consider him to be a good friend- once you let someone in like that, even if you wind up going separate ways, the understanding and caring doesn't go away. A relationship isn't a failure just because it ends. I've been lucky enough to find this deep connection several times, and it's one of life's real joys.

[–]THEDICKDEALER 7 points8 points  (2 children)

"My longest relationship was with an obese nerd who made less than half of what I made. For the three or so years we were together,he made my heart sing and we really understood each other in a deep way."-pure grade a bull shit.

[–]NoMorePoliticsPlease 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You're under no obligation to believe me. I got a lot of "why are you dating him?!" from friends and family. Love, that's why.

Edit: Second longest relationship was with a skinny nerdy girl with cystic acne. Got the same "wtf?!" reaction from others for that one too. shrug

[–]THEDICKDEALER 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bitch why are in this sub? Go to your own space leave the men to be men. Stay in a woman's place that's if you even grew up to know what that is.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Did it to my aunt a couple of days ago. I felt bad afterwards.

[–]desi_swagger 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I did this with a female acquintance, her answer "That's a good question"

[–]2Dmva100 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Expect a bunch of reframes and insults. Just keep saying 'answer the original question.' They'll probably be in tears before they do that though.

[–]brainhack3r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair we should ALL ask ourselves that question.. Many redpillers already realize this though.

[–]BetterBadIdeas 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Women are conditioned to believe their value is intrinsic, not earned. The response would be some bullshit about their supposed pleasant personality.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 29 points30 points  (14 children)

I wrote a post like that three years ago called GaylubeOil's Expectation Test. I'm wondering if this is syncronicity or reactionary hate site plagiaism lol.

[–]ObviouslyRP 12 points13 points  (9 children)

Lmao whenever I see your name I think of my 70+ year old single cat lady philosophy teacher trying to convince the class that Socrates talking about love in relation to an old man and a young boy in the Phaedrus was to cause cognitive dissonance or paradigm shift. When in reality Socrates just didn't respect women (and really was banging boys) and had a relationship with his wife that correlated perfectly with the first speech on love wherein the man manipulated the weaker partner into becoming completely submissive and dependent on him.

I called her out constantly on being a sophist and debated her openly in class. When it came to the written exams I would just demonstrate that I understood what was taught and agreed with her point of view because she was so fucked in the head she couldn't remember that I obviously don't agree with her. Got an A in the class while the rest of the class failed because they all wrote from my perspective because I had convinced everyone she was shoveling shit into our heads and they were too stupid to realize not to cause cognitive dissonance in an irrational woman during a written exam.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 37 points38 points  (7 children)

Your gay story has nothing to do with anything and my username is a reference to Australian drug smuggling

[–]RedPillFusion 18 points19 points  (6 children)

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[–]CaptainSupream 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Ok, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.

edit: going along with the movie ref ffs

[–]EddieJonesRFU 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To be fair the average chump would be the same, except for maybe bringing a bit more money to the table.

[–]The-Peter-Principle 105 points106 points  (2 children)

"And what are you going to be bringing to the table for this amazing guy? How are you going to keep him into you for the rest of your marriage when there are other hot girls trying to take him away from you?"

Stand back and admire your work...as hamster snaps wheel off bearings.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (1 child)

"And what are you going to be bringing to the table for this amazing guy?

'Love', 'family', 'support', 'companionship'

How are you going to keep him into you for the rest of your marriage when there are other hot girls trying to take him away from you?"

' angry face I'm a good judge of character, I'd never choose someone like that. Anyway, I shouldn't have to try and keep him, if he ever strays he's a useless piece of shit and I'd divorce him and take the kids'

Stand back and admire your work...as hamster snaps wheel off bearings.

I've had this conversation before

[–]xXx420VTECxXx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Makes me feel GREAT about the future of Western civilization.

[–]harsha_hs 71 points72 points  (1 child)

This is exactly what modern wimmen has to offer and good luck getting married to one of these. If you try to argue with her why she has to cook and clean or why she has to stop hanging out with one of her ex-boyfriend even after marrying to you. Boom, you are slapped with domestic violence and a restraining order. Don't even get me started if you have a child with these modern wimmen

[–]joh2141 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I think the major mistake in marrying a girl who always hangs out with her ex is pretty obvious but I get what you mean. Just an example in a list of problems.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 209 points210 points  (8 children)

This is the face of female entitlement in the Western world where women can do no wrong. Our feminized society is doing women a great disservice by telling women that they deserve the best and can have it all.

[–]mikesteane 172 points173 points  (2 children)

They can have it all.

For 10-15 years.

[–]Disciplinedgenius 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There should be a sub showing posts of women that have hit the wall.

[–]ObviouslyRP 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Some are smart though and game the system. My aunt is essentially an anti feminist to a degree. Married young to a high paid doctor. Divorced him after 5 years and three kids. monkey branched to my entrepreneur uncle and had two more kids.

The eldest daughter has been married to a petroleum engineer who is having law school paid for by the oil&gas company he is employed by while earning over 250,000 year. They have a kid now but he has been having serious health problems, although I believe he has been fixed up or getting better. I'm just waiting for the divorce announcement. although I don't think she will be able to find anyone better now that she's 28+ so maybe she will stay loyal.

[–]KorianHUN 16 points17 points  (0 children)

It is similar in eastern europe too.

[–]DontTreadOnSnek 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's almost laughable when trailer trash on Facebook makes a post looking for her Leonardo DiCaprio, my generation is brainwashed

[–]perplexedm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And they are propagating it all over the world.


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The proposal also offers tax relief to widows and divorced women

Recommends promoting women drivers for school buses, a move that is not only likely to generate employment opportunities for women but also expected to curb sexual crimes against school students.

It is after a gap of 15 years that the policy is being revised. The last policy came in 2001. An initial draft was first issued in May 2016 following which the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) constituted a group of ministers, which suggested some changes. Making the initial draft public last year, WCD Minister Maneka Gandhi had said the aim of the government was to shift from entitlements to rights and from empowerment to creating an enabling environment for women.

[–]2comment 48 points49 points  (1 child)

What's more, if she doesn't wake up in time and ends up old, sad, bitter and lonely, she'll blame men for her predicament. Well, maybe not Mr. Whiskers and his 7 playmates.

[–]joh2141 16 points17 points  (0 children)

"Mr. Whiskers is a real man! He's more of a man than any man has ever been for me! All human men are dicks. FYI anyone who still uses the word cunt as an insult is a dick." -spinster mentality

[–]Toolman890 142 points143 points  (21 children)

My sister is exactly the same. She's 33 now and still single. She's definitely felt the pressure, especially since my brother who's younger than her now has a baby and wife and she doesn't. She did actually settle at 30, but the beta left her about 6 months into the engagement. Even he couldn't handle her attitude anymore.

The problem is, whilst I'm sure this pressure gets her down sometimes, dating is still so easy and so much fun for her. She still has a plethora of men to take her out and entertain her in the hopes of getting laid. She still goes out and gets fucked by guys much better-looking than her whenever she feels like it. She still has a tonne of other single friends her age to go out with, and even though they may not get the same attention as the group of young 20 year old girls, they still get plenty of it. It's still fun, intoxicating and addictive for them. Life is so easy for them that it's actually hard for them to settle down because they are giving that all away. So whilst you may want to masturbate over the fact that life will punish them eventually, it doesn't really. This modern world is one big playground for them.

[–]OracleofFl 58 points59 points  (2 children)

This is the whole idea of being an Alpha Widow. A chick who is a HB6 can get some horny and hungry Alpha Chad to occasionally bang them so they feel entitled to get a ring and commitment from an Alpha. Of course the Alpha is looking for a HB9 if he is going to make that commitment.

[–]grewapair 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Why would he make that commitment at all? He can just find someone else.

[–]biggerbetterjobs 30 points31 points  (4 children)

So whilst you may want to masturbate over the fact that life will punish them eventually, it doesn't really. This modern world is one big playground for them.

Lots of these guys should honestly just get over it and realize the modern world is a big playground for them too. Or realize it's always been that way if you never lived under sharia law, a culture with arranged marriages, or some other ultra conservative system.

[–]DontTreadOnSnek 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You know it's bad when the beta leaves the relationship

[–]scarletspider3 25 points26 points  (8 children)

The big difference for her now that she doesn't realize is that the men giving her attention now are just looking for an easy fuck. Men are not taking her seriously like they used to. Not to mention that she's also going into her spinsterhood.

[–]Toolman890 45 points46 points  (7 children)

Wrong. She just spent 4 months dating a guy who asked her to be his girlfriend with a $2000 ring. She ended it because he was too clingy. He was looks-matched to her and owned a bar. She's not ugly with makeup on. She's absolutely hideous without it though. It's amazing to see it from the perspective of a brother. She's putting on a disguise to extract resources from men. And it works! Lol.

[–]ObviouslyRP 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is why I hate social media/online dating. Set up a date with a chick who looked hot/sophisticated online. Get to the venue and even with a ton of make up on she looked like she got hit in the face with a lead football covered in flesh eating bacteria.

[–]askmrcia 30 points31 points  (0 children)

She ended it because he was too clingy. He was looks-matched to her and owned a bar.

Beta male. Four months and already spending a $2k ring on her? She's not going to get commitment from guys she truly wants. If she was she already would have been in a committed relationship.

And I too have a sister that's the same way. I have cousins who are ugly as shit and can still pull dudes. But guys they really want, will only bang them and not commit.

And that's when I hear "guys always use me for sex, guys are nothing but assholes, guys only want to date younger women because they can't handle someone their own age, ect...."

With that said yea of course there are women that will be in their 30s that can still gain attraction and even commitment from high profile guys (its not as common). The problem is that these women been with soo many men, soo many short term relationships that they end up ruining any future relationships. How can you expect a woman who spent her entire life sleeping around with tons of men be a good mother/wife and maintain a stable relationship? Cmon.

There are consequences for every action whether you realize it or not. Hell even us guys that want to spin plates forever has its on negatives. It just comes back to are you happy enough with the choices you make?

Your sister will soon be 40 and she won't be able to have kids soon. Soo she's in a state now where she either has to rush having kids/marriage with some smuck or don't.

And I've seen plenty of women in their 40s with no kids to know that they aren't happy.

[–]wheresMYsteakAt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do you ever look at them when the enter the house and think to yourself "fucking chump".

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is your epiphany from how easy she still has it at her age?

[–]joh2141 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I guess it really depends on how well these women take care of their bodies. People can look young well into their 50s if they stay athletically fit and eat healthy. The whole "taking care of your body" vs "treating your body like shit" BEGINS to show in mid 20s but it really become exacerbated in peoples 40s and 50s where people can still look 30 or will look like they're 60. If they took care of their bodies, they could probably stay relevant in the single market for a while but if not, they'd drop post wall (30-40) hard. Most women who party all the time without taking care of their body does fall off hard around their 30s.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ok at 33 it hasn't hit yet but what about her life from 40-90 when she didn't have kids?

She needs to settle down real fuckin quick because a man of value is not going to impregnate a girl in the first couple years of a relationship. That means if she found a man RIGHT NOW, she'd be 35, if not 36 or 37 on her first kid. And it's already riskier to have kids that late.

Imagine her going out with a guy for a year or two and they break up. That'll leave her at 35 and back at square one. 10 years past her prime. Sure she can still get dates and get laid, but the ideal family life? nah. That shits dead.

[–]geldersekifuzuli 35 points36 points  (1 child)

It sounds like princess syndrome. All the world owe her respect and love!

[–]Shakydrummer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Princess Complex is so frustratingly common too.

[–]Docbear64 106 points107 points  (29 children)

AWALT moms and sisters also apply.

I remember long before TRP when I was maybe 22 and my sister was about 26 complaining about how men just don't approach her. She lived the life of a hermit , was overweight , and I suggested perhaps if she gave a dude an opening maybe she'd get more attention from dudes. I might as well have told her to go marry the first broke ass loser she could find , she scoffed so hard and went on a rant about no good men . 5 years later She is still very single , Colored her hair ( Doing something ANYTHING TO BE NOTICED) , and completely in horror that she's not married. At least now she is in the gym and shit but that sense of entitlement amongst women in this millennial age group is astounding .

Most of these women are average or below average but nearly all of them think the will pull the handsome , charming , intelligent , prince they dreamed about as a kid . If we just excluded the fat and the financially unstable a significant chunk would be tossed out , that's no even getting into the actual qualities that make a woman a decent life partner.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 43 points44 points  (27 children)

For gods sake. That's just annoying honestly. What happened to the low self esteem girls?

[–]TrogRP 68 points69 points  (21 children)

They are the low self esteem girls. They need validation alpha dick or they're a trainwreck without it

[–]1PantsonFire1234 21 points22 points  (20 children)

This. When Chad fucks them for a while they lie to themselves and say they are hot an dream about Chad. When he dumps them they lose it and quickly find another Chad. This cycle keeps repeating until they hit the wall and there's no more Chad.

[–]joh2141 27 points28 points  (6 children)

The advice post-wall women give to younger women is hilarious too.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 36 points37 points  (5 children)

They just want them to fail purposefully, out of spite. When has a woman ever give advice in the best interest of the other person? Even mothers give their son beta advice because this helps them more.

[–]joh2141 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Well some advice I heard from post wall women to other girls I thought were pretty solid but regarding dating, they're always bad. The advice I was referring to was something about how looks can't carry you, only in your youth. You need to learn to be able to contribute to a relationship or learn to be independent."

Which is advice no women seem to want to listen to considering the lack of home skills and lack of ambition in careers. With that said some of my coworkers who are female are very ambitious and it's admirable to see that shit. Ofc they are also lonely and don't have kids while wanting kids.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 18 points19 points  (2 children)

The problem with worker drone- I mean career ambition is that this is a male burden. Women are differently affected I found. Every girl or woman I know who went through a stressful time regarding school or work that didn't seem to end. They always either made bad decisions (slutting it up) or starting shit (drama). Their entire attitude changes the moment the are relieved like on a vacation or job switch. They suddenly become more receptive, open etc.

Women need an emotional outlet when they feel bad, they aren't like men. We vent our struggles differently. And the current work model makes women feel bad constantly because it's not natural to work so many hours on mundane shit that doesn't apply to them. Men might understand the betterment of society to be a worthwhile endeavor. For a woman she sees no other utility in working a job other than to get money for herself. The job only exist to serve her needs and that's why it's so unrewarding. I suspected for a while that one of the reasons women have become degenerate and extra flakey is because of their participation in the workforce. It doesn't fulfill them. Women only feel fulfilled when they work for themselves, their kids or their families.

This entire model doesn't work and they know it doesn't work, but their letting it.

[–]joh2141 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I agree with you but I have to at least put my two cents though anecdotal experience really doesn't mean shit. I'm a male nurse and majority of my coworkers are female. For sure we have our share of lazy asshats but we also have a share of really hard working women here too. Now I'm not sure about their dating life; I just never cared enough to talk to them about that kind of stuff. But when it comes to being professional most of them are pretty respectable from my POV. They work hard, they are independent and meticulous, etc etc. It's usually the aide's and techs who suck and glue themselves to the phone (does it make a difference these nurses that I respect are much older than my generation or foreign like from India or something).

I'm sure these women are guilty of slutting up or starting shit too; it's just well hidden because of how professional they are and to that degree i can respect that; just don't bring in circumcission or abortion as topic to discuss with nurses because you'll see that professionalism crumble within seconds.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (0 children)

For sure we have our share of lazy asshats but we also have a share of really hard working women here too.

Don't mistake me for saying women can't work hard. Women can be exceptional at what they are made for. They can endure long hours with the right support (boyfriend or cock carousel). But my point is that they always unwind differently from man.

When I work for my goals I am consumed, same for most other healthy men. The work itself is the pay off and the relaxation that follows is off a calmer kind. Men who chill after work generally do so in modesty and silence. But for women who are emotional creatures, all this stress and emotional bottlenecking has to go somewhere. They need excitement in whatever way they can find to compensate for the draining working hours.

And my point was to state that women often find this excitement in starting drama or fucking around. When do women cheat the most? When they are duress. When do most divorces/break ups happen? When the woman initiates in harsher times. Women will always create chaos when they are overloaded. Men are the opposite and wil look for peace and quiet when they are overwhelmed. This is why working women and working men can't coexist perfectly. At the very least the shit tests will go way up when a woman is stressed and she's back home with her man.

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 4 points5 points  (12 children)

And that's gonna be the cause of the great crisis of our time(as has already been outlined in the recent "Women and Social Media" post)

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (11 children)

It will be great fun for this generation of men. They've been raised without proper and normal female connection so when wall hitters desperately try to look for someone to ease their loneliness. All they will get is sadistic fucks trying to up their notch count.

The laws of nature that that everything has to remain in balance. Young men were fucked over by the current dating/feminist culture. And now women will suffer equally once they hit the wall.

I'm not one for revenge fantasies and the belief that the hot chicks will get what they deserve. But the reality of Plain Janes getting hit by their own medicine is a real one. And important to since they will play all kinds of desperate games to get a man to stick around.

[–]Docbear64 13 points14 points  (2 children)

They were taught that they are valuable , attractive, and to be pursued no matter what . My family is Religious so the women love to throw around " When a Man findeth a wife he finds a good thing " , I always feel the urge to pull out the chapter of the bible where it talks about a virtuous woman because it makes a clear distinction between the wife who is a blessing to her husband .... and the others. Having a vagina doesn't make them special and too many women don't understand that.

[–]Grmibr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My ex used to say all the time she never got approached. We were a Tinder match that went well (and I was in a bad place) so I never saw that side of her. After we broke up and my stupid spell was broken, I realized it was because she was just like every other entitled, bitter, unhaply girl with nothing to offer. Who the fuck wants to talk to a girl who looks like she'll try to murder you in your sleep.

[–]RepostGhostCst2Cst 96 points97 points  (15 children)

Been hanging out with a bunch of early 20's past couple of years. They're all like this. No homemaking skills, no career path, and a huge sense of entitlement. It's been echoed on here before, but America is doomed and feminism killed it.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 46 points47 points  (12 children)

It's deeper than feminism dude. Feminism is a symptom, not the root cause.

[–]red_reality 1 points1 points [recovered]

The softening of men came before feminism, no doubt. Try explaining that the only reason women or minorities ever received their civil rights was because white men allowed them to have them. I recommend saving that fact for strategic application 😂

[–]bi_winner 32 points33 points  (1 child)

She will fix billionaire perverts. This is what Hollywood says you know.

[–]SigmundRoidd 110 points111 points  (7 children)

Plain Jane wants to end up with a rich handsome sparkly vampire.

Or a billionaire freak who needs to be fixed.

Apprenticeship? pshh get outta here lol

[–]thegreasygerman 1 points1 points [recovered]

I believe you're citing "Sex and the City's basic plot premise."

[–]rorrr 18 points19 points  (1 child)

And "50 Shades of Grey". And like 80-90% of romantic movies.

[–]2kez88 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Meh, happens in a plethora of movies for guys as well. Knocked up, Superbad, She's out of my league, etc etc. Nerdy guy gets the girl

[–]Redpillandrew 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Literature, right. Twilight saga, 50sog, it's everywhere

[–]morganKxoxo 199 points200 points  (18 children)

This is the problem with all my female friends. It's why I'm the only married one. My goal was to be a good wife. To take care of my appearance and body and never let myself go, respect my husband and his leadership and learn to take care of the house and cook. Granted he helps because I work full time too, but i had an attitude of how I can serve him. And lo and behold, those girls made fun of me for not going out and partying with them, meanwhile guess who's married to a great guy and guess who's still on tinder with constant failed relationships

I'm a woman, and women need to start pulling their weight.

[–]perfectcell- 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I wish this existed in NYC. Nothing but "Sex and the City" here.

[–]1Original_Dankster 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I used to ask women I was dating which character from Sex and the City they identified with... The only acceptable answers were "none of them," or "I don't watch that."

[–]ArthurTheAstronaut 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My goal was to be a good wife. To take care of my appearance and body and never let myself go, respect my husband and his leadership and learn to take care of the house and cook. Granted he helps because I work full time too, but i had an attitude of how I can serve him

You sound just like my woman.

I love to hear that there are more like her out there. Y'all are hard to come by.

[–]evoblade 22 points23 points  (10 children)

Would upvote you more than once if I could

[–]imn0tg00d 20 points21 points  (7 children)

But I'm wondering why she is on this sub

[–]morganKxoxo 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Followed it after watching the red pill, didn't realize it was a different thing, never unsubscribed, this post showed up on my front page this morning.

[–]Questionnaire7 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Well try to turn your girlfriends onto the knowledge

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Don't know, but she has interesting things to say so I'm happy she is.

[–]Grmibr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To learn, like everyone else?

[–]CortexiphanSubject81 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Upvoting you as proxy to upvoting her twice.

[–]HenryCurtmantle 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Women recoil at the thought of home-making, raising their own children or nurturing their men. They just want to shop and drink.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Truuuu babes. Which one tonight, red or white??

[–][deleted] 126 points127 points  (20 children)

I feel bad for women sometimes. I couldn't imagine being such an innately selfish, non-empathetic, callous creature.

[–]0signal0 69 points70 points  (7 children)

Same here. I couldn't imagine being totally driven by my emotions, never truly being happy with a partner because I'd feel entitled to someone better without deserving it. Couldn't imagine being inherently weak, solipsistic, lacking the ability for rational/logic thought, and knowing that most of what I've achieved is solely due to people treating me like a child inside an adult's body.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 27 points28 points  (6 children)

and knowing that most of what I've achieved is solely due to people treating me like a child inside an adult's body.

don't worry... despite the solipsism you were lack this level of self awareness.... you would completely believe that you were awesome and if ever you doubted this you'd put on a short skirt and find a guy to tell you how clever you are

[–]Popular_Pancake 16 points17 points  (5 children)

I know right. At least we can come here to mentally masturbate and tell each other we're so much better just for having a dick, because that's such an accomplishment of course. Reach-arounds for everybody!

If you're busy pointing out the obvious, you need to spend more time focusing on your own life and what YOU are doing to improve it.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I feel worse for the generations of men who let this happen. Those spineless fucks let it happen and sooner or later, we're going to have to rebuild it.

[–]joh2141 12 points13 points  (5 children)

While I don't disagree with you, this is kind of a bad line of thought at least for people unplugging. It turns you into jaded bitter resentful MRA. Women are dictated by emotions because of hormones just like our horniness and the things that makes guys men are triggered by hormones.

The very thing that makes us horny, macho macho, etc etc and compete is similar mechanism of what makes women selfish emotional train wrecks. You shouldn't HATE women for it. You should just learn to find ways to tolerate it and use it to your advantage. Because they're selfish, non empathetic it is easy to convince them you're hot shit. It really takes no skill at that point. You just can't be a fat fuck.

[–]BigBrotherZiggy 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Except he didn't say he hated them for it. He actually said he feels bad for them i.e. I'd wish they weren't "prisoners".

[–]aanarchist 16 points17 points  (0 children)

like most women her age she says hah. most women her age do exactly what she's doing which is choosing to be a whore. she doesn't understand or care that her choices make her unworthy of even a mediocre man, that by choosing to be a whore she is making her self a below average woman, and thus is suited for a low beta.

[–]dawgsen 34 points35 points  (45 children)

I respect your effort. And I already feel bad for the beta she will settle for, around 26-30 with his fat belly and hollywood romance vision.

[–]mateoka 1 points1 points [recovered]

I can already envision it. He'll be doing the cooking and cleaning also

[–]BullshittingNonsense 25 points26 points  (34 children)

Grateful for the pity blowjob he gets once a year and doesn't even look at porn because he thinks it's degrading and cheating

[–]1empatheticapathetic 19 points20 points  (32 children)

TRP makes a meme out of the beta. No one I know is ever as beta as they are portrayed on here.

[–]BullshittingNonsense 17 points18 points  (30 children)

I don't know, dude. I remember my first relationship in college I didn't want blowjobs because I thought they were degrading to women.

Ludicrously beta even though I did have her wrapped around my finger.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Fair enough bro. I also know many current betas, but the same way TRP talks about 'Chad Thundercock' as the epitome of the alpha male in society. We also talk about the beta as if he's 100% beta all the time in every aspect. Neither exist in reality, just glimpses of behaviour in different moments.

[–]BullshittingNonsense 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh god ya. We're all mixes of alpha and beta, but in the end you're one or the other. It's like good and evil. Tremendous shades of gray, but in the end, we all know the good guys and the bad guys when we see them.

[–]RonieGarret 6 points7 points  (8 children)

What is wrong with cooking and cleaning? You're on your own so you have to do it anyways. Without her cooking you know you can kick her out of your life anytime.

[–]1theoctopuss 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I like to look at it like this:

Cooking and cleaning is easy, but time consuming. That time could be spent doing important shit. In comes woman. She has no interest in doing hard, important shit but she needs something to take up her time.

In comes cooking, cleaning, raising children, etc.

[–]joh2141 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah no one is forcing women to do those works but if you have a family and have kids, the parent who isn't working as much and has more free time should be taking the burden of cooking and cleaning. Usually this meant the women did the household work. Traditionally because women just did the housework but nowadays because women are becoming high income earners as well. The whole stay at home daddy is a stereotype we may see become much bigger. There's really nothing sexist or misogynistic about that notion but women believe they are bottlenecking themselves into oppression if they learn these skills.

[–]H42 1 points1 points [recovered]

Remember how sloppy most women live. They don't clean their apartment, they don't cook. The live like a slob and order takeout food.

[–]omega_dawg93 5 points6 points  (1 child)

can confirm... lived with 2 women in college. they were so nasty that i moved out after only 3 months.

and trust me, you do NOT want to know what i saw in the bathroom... after it was NEVER cleaned up or thrown out.


[–]Lateralanouncer 30 points31 points  (3 children)

I love the wall as it is a great gene filter; some make it some don't.

[–]this_weeks_account2 29 points30 points  (3 children)

I find that after 28 (the wall, as you call it) and into our 30s a lot of women are still clinging to their high school SMV and identities.

The reality that a lot of single women don't understand is that when I see a "single" 32 year old chick with no kids, I assume she's a complete disaster and avoid her at all costs.

That and she's also probably super fat.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 33 points34 points  (2 children)

The reality that a lot of single women don't understand is that when I see a "single" 32 year old chick with no kids, I assume she's a complete disaster and avoid her at all costs.

To be fair, if I see a woman who's single, over 32, and has kids, I also assume she's a complete disaster and avoid her at all costs.

[–]iamneptuno 12 points13 points  (10 children)

she won't be wanted once she hits the wall at 28

MGTOW wet dream.

Check out the pig woman Tinder experiment.

[–]SirKermitTheThird 4 points5 points  (3 children)

28 is young, but the wall exists.

[–]iamneptuno 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The thing is, it doesn't.

For the average female, after a certain age, a certain tier of genetically blessed males isn't accessible anymore, yes; but that leaves all the other males, still, including those willing to get divorce raped.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (4 children)

what's pig woman experiment?

[–]iamneptuno 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Just google "pig woman experiment", there have been at least two of them.

It's about online dating.

[–]EumenesOfEfa 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I lost all hope in Mankind.

[–]iamneptuno 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your mistake was having any in the first place.

[–]redpillrobby 22 points23 points  (13 children)

I'm gonna go ahead and dissent with the posters on here (most of whom I can only assume are religious) who say a woman's place is in the home when in an LTR/marriage. I think the stay at home mom model is complete shit, and is part of what makes marriage suck so bad, for both men and women.

I have always encouraged my wife, since we were first dating, to work. It's simple math really. If she stays at home to babysit our kids and clean our house and cook me dinner when I get home, the opportunity cost of that if I just paid someone else to do it is enormous. Paying someone else to do that would cost me roughly $15k-$21k per year.

But my wife hasn't made less than $50k in any year since we had our child. My kid goes to daycare, which does a better job of keeping him active and stimulated, fed and rested, than any two bit stay at home mom from my neighborhood does with their kids. My kid has hordes of friends at daycare, and several "teachers" and he comes home every day not having watched one second of television, having worked on his social skills for several hours with kids his own age, having tried different foods, having played outside for extended periods, and having created art projects and having learned songs and stories and...I could go on and on about the benefits of that. And it only costs us like $200/week. Not to mention many of those "teachers" are happy to babysit on weekends for us so we can go out and drink with our friends.

Plus when my wife comes home from work we still have the same dynamic we had when we were dating. She isn't fed up with the kids, she wasn't trying to avoid depression by posting on facebook and instagram all day, she doesn't resent me for going to that job and spending time around actual adults...she's just happy to be home, like I am. And she's excited to see my kid, like I am. And the whole dynamic is so damn easy. Plus lots of extra money. So I can't complain about that.

An added benefit comes in the form of the dreaded TRP boogeyman, DIVORCE. You see, every dollar my wife proves she can earn, is one less dollar I would have to pay in alimony were we to divorce. It removes much of the sting of divorce rape for me and helps me relax.

Now, I know a lot of you think "but if she's out in the corporate world all day she'll be exposed to other men, other Chads. She's guaranteed to cheat!" Perhaps. But cheating isn't reserved for women in the workplace. Nothing will save you from that if you don't pull the right emotional levers and keep her obsessed with you, like she was when you first met. Whether she works or not you have to do that. Besides, who do you think has more time to sit around thinking about how boring their lives are and how maybe a fling with the mailman would make them feel better--the woman worried about hitting deadlines, or the woman who just changed her 17th diaper that day?

Not to mention, I find stay at home mom's to be...exceptionally boring people. My wife is at the office all day talking with...wait for it...men (and other professional women). It makes her more interesting conversationally. She's more aware of things going on in the world and she's passionate about business and loves to talk about it. Talking to my wife is eerily similar to talking to my male friends. It's incredibly rewarding. Our neighbors' wives though...Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up.

To answer OP, your sister has much to offer a man, if she stays in school and gets her degree and then takes her career seriously (as long as she still wants about the same number of kids the man she marries does). I know that sounds like TRP heresy. I know that sounds almost like feminism, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and I'm afraid experience has taught me that this is a better model.

(One caveat though: I still refuse to change diapers. You still have to be the man of the house, after all)

[–]Blesss 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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[–]TunedtoPerfection 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Yes but see your wife is in an actual career, seems driven by a purpose and seems successful.

Most guys on this sub end up with women who's job title isn't far off from what I was offered when I was 18 and half the skills required to support it. Sadly there are still quite a few cushy jobs where women and men can make very good money and have absolutely shit for skills.

Combine this with the fact that women are starting to get very overpaid for their actual skill level. A problem arises when women begin to equate total income earned with a person's value. What they leave out of the equation is the dude needed a developed skill or get an useful degree or gather industry experience to make his 20 and hour, women just wait for the HR department to get an opening.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a crazy cat lady in the making

[–]NeoreactionSafe 19 points20 points  (0 children)


They all want to be the "Whore of Babylon" these days.


  • Free stuff

  • Ride the government.

  • Nice clothes.

  • Riches.

  • Men must bow down to her.




[–]FlyingSexistPig 8 points9 points  (0 children)

She is looking at the world as it is presented to her RIGHT NOW.

Guys don't want to have babies. Guys don't want to settle down. Guys are going to make millions. Guys love buying her stuff.

This is what it's like to be a 20 year old girl with halfway decent looks.

[–]bredleymertin 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Having a career isn't impressive to women, this should be the number one redpill to swallow. "I make a 100k a year how could she not like me?" Think philosophically (stoicism) and not like a sheep about mediocrity. Don't get upset when women think you're mediocre when you have a high income. That doesn't matter to anyone not even you.

[–]SirKermitTheThird 6 points7 points  (1 child)

What? Literally women care about money and status. What are you talking about?

[–]LibertyIsNotFree 2 points3 points  (0 children)

100K isn't crazy status. It's your bills are all paid on time, buy whatever crap you want on Amazon. (unless your 401K is empty because you're spending everything)

Not plunk down on a new sports car every year money.

In many cities you're living in an apartment making 100K.

[–]imn0tg00d 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is true. I have a buddy who makes about 100k a year and he can't get laid. I make half of that right now because of a career change and I have my pick of women in a bar. Lift, get confidence, learn game.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 7 points8 points  (1 child)

What makes it worse is that my sister feels she is entitled to top shelf men when she genuinely has NOTHING to offer.

Feminism and open hypergamy in action. Your sister will likely keep getting pumped and dumped by alphas in a vain attempt to lock them down until, ironically, she settles down for a mediocre beta.

[–]kieran9323 7 points8 points  (1 child)

The 25yo privately educated, from money, fucking 18yo waitress from working class archetype can be seen everywhere. And sometimes if she is manipulative enough, pretty enough and the guy is wrapped around her finger - she can succeed and raise her social status in a way simply not possible for a guy. By not only fucking him, but marrying him as well.

[–]Red_Shambhala 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sadly, even used up shitcunts have still thousands of beta orbiters after having hit the wall.

[–]victordmor 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Congratulations. You witnessed solipsism first hand.

[–]Entrefut 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I can happily say that I convinced my oldest sister that she needed to stop fooling around with dudes who were wasting her time if she wanted to have a family and a husband she could be proud of. I told her the vast majority of guys In their 20s don't want shit for a family rn and if they do, they probably don't have much going for them.

Sure enough she took the advice, starting dating guys closer to their 30s and actually started having a real relationship with a dude that has already had his success, already played through his 20s and actually is looking for a girl to build something with. I also told her if she ever wanted to have a family with him, she has to learn to cook. So far she's in the healthiest relationship she's been in in awhile.

Lesson? Girls don't know what the fuck they want. In their 20s they think they want a lot of dick the same way guys want a lot of pussy, because they're spoon fed that they play the same role in society as men and should therefore behave like them at similar stages in life. Every time they fuck a new guy they think they're gaining experience and value like men can. It's all horseshit and it ruins a lot of women's potential for finding the best guy they could lock down.

My perspective: I don't want a family in my 20s, probably not until mid to late 30s. I propagate the horseshit for my own personal benefit through my 20s and fuck girls, steal then away from their boyfriends, treat them like nothing but a fuck toy and leave them be. Before TRP I was never wanted to do this, because I knew fucking girls for no reason drained something from someone. I just hadn't realized it wasn't from me and that for whatever reason she was the one; losing a little value, a little possibility at locking down a mate, a little attractiveness to future men... but she wanted this result. Or at least she thinks she wanted it. They think they want it, so they try it. Yet they forget humans have been pair bonding successfully for hundreds of thousands of years and the average human life span was really just enough to last until their children were adults. Biology hasn't changed, but culture most certainly has. Woman forgot what was important and a lot of men did too. TRP reoutlines what's important for men.

I'm not going to risk an A on a test because of a nasty breakup the night before, or decline a pay raise because a move across country will put me far away from my girlfriend. I want to chase the money right now, not the tail. This is a lot of guys stories through their 20s and it works out really well for a lot of us, because the girls are being told to do the same. I get to work through the hardest stages of my life and sacrifice nothing, because media buzz has made it possible for girls to think they just want to fuck. I don't have to commit shit and it literally makes them want me more. Because in the back of their head, what they really fucking want is

I get to fuck girls during a time of emotional solitude as I build myself up, then when I've built something I go right for the pool of girls that are against that, because they know its toxic for their long term health and maternal success. As a good brother I won't consciously ignore my own story and 1000000 years of pair bonding evolution. The advice my sisters get is the same women got for thousands of years, but stopped in the last 30.

There wasn't/isn't/shouldn't be a CC to ride, because if you do that shit there's a good chance you'd miss out on having a family with the best possible mate. Now a days there's just so much lying and bullshit that girls honestly think they want to fuck hundreds of dudes, they honestly think it enriches their life and makes them more attractive to men. Unfortunately it enriches their life the same way porn enriches a guys life. You really think a guy need experience jerking himself off? You really think a girl needs experience taking dick? Experience submitting? That doesn't even fucking make sense, the bigger the gap between the submitter (girl, vagina, keyhole) and the dominator (dude, penis, the key... unless you're a cuck) the more fun it is. Then over time you grow closer in experience and the relationship strengthens as sexual preferences merge.

But why argue? I'd rather give my sisters good advice and then reap the benefits this backwards movement is inadvertently creating for men who understand what's going on. It took so long to absorb TRP because I hate propagating imbalance and taking something away from people, but it's how the world works and only a dead man fights a wave. My sisters are happy, I'm happy, my family is happy, it's what matters. I'm sure someday I might be the source of some girls' happiness, but not today, today I just provide dick.

Went pretty long, but someone talking about their sister in her 20s got me thinking about mine and I have no shortage of words when it comes to advice given to family and friends. In the end I think it's really tough to be a girl rn. Shit is confusing as fuck and finding a Chad who's making the transition to wanting a family because his personal success is where he desires it, is much harder than finding a cute girl who can fit into my family paradigm.

Edit: and to actually fully respond to your post... Your sister will for sure be getting those top shelf dudes, just not for long. Dudes will fall through her fingers like sand through her 20s and there's nothing she can do about it with her mindset. Then she will end up settling for a dude who does the cooking and cleaning, but she won't be attracted to him like she was the chads. Then she'll join the vast majority of overly medicated, under fucked, under stimulated women of the western world and start chasing dick again.

[–]DextroShade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They all think they are entitled to a man with the three sixes: six feet tall or more, six pack abs, earns six figures. But competition for the attention of these men is fierce, because every woman thinks she is in his league, even the ugly ones.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 51 points52 points  (56 children)

We can sit here all day complaining about gender inequality and how lazy sluts want high quality men. But here's the thing sexual Egalitarianism means losers reproduce and so do winners.

Head over to MGTOW or Incel and take a look around. Your really want quasi suicidal chubs to reproduce and make more quasi suicidal chubs? Or do you want a world of confident funny muscle chads?

Hypergamy improves the human race by ensuring that winners reproduce more than losers. That's the whole fucking point of sexual reproduction by the way, just in case you guys forgot.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (27 children)

Historically, most women reproduce even the "loser" women. That isnt true for men and our genetic code proves it.

Men have always competed for the right to blow sticky loads in as much box as possible and losers be damned.

You can shake your fat, cheeto colored fist at the sun for the unfairness, or you can make changes and take what you want from the world.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (26 children)

At the same time Mohammed's race continues to grow thanks to his control over his own genetic stock. Meanwhile the white race goes extinct but at least Chad gets laid and we ca laugh at neck beards right?

[–]Aktiv8r 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Yup, it's our own fault too. We're too damn smart for our own britches. Thank all your daddies' daddies for not managing hypergamy in society. How stupid does Islam look now? Lol

[–]pilljourney 1 point2 points  (21 children)

TRP has been very useful to me. I'm grateful for so many of the people who've come together to compile this stuff. I grew up without a father figure save my older brother who was only 4 years older than me, so despite my initially natural alpha state, growing up without masculine influence caught up with me around prepubescence. Then, every now and then, I read comments like this that absolutely baffle me.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (20 children)

Live in Europe for a few years, the shit storm is coming my man. To deny it, means you are in denial. When the West falls, the world will fall. I am not even exaggerating. Only Betas think the Islamization of the West is a good thing.

[–]MaltillinenNatSos 10 points11 points  (21 children)

[–]Elodrian 8 points9 points  (20 children)

Those are good posts. When I think of the "golden ages" of human civilization, the civilizations where Western civilization really flourished, I think of (in no particular order) the Roman Republic, Victorian England, the Italian Renaissance, NatSoc Germany, 1950's USA, and Napoleonic France. All of them had strong social order and valued marriage (of course there was still philandering and cuckoldry but it was shameful and kept private).

[–]1OneRedYear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've already passed on my genes. I can say what I want.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Boy is she in for a rude awakening.

She sounds like she'll become the cougar who sits at the hometown bar waiting for the inexperienced and away-from-home college kids to make a mistake.

[–]Geraltski 1 points1 points [recovered]

The problem is always men. Set you're bitches right. My sister dosnt drink, dosnt go to parties every week or month, dosnt act up too often and trains and eats healthy because I made it real clear long time ago that if she gonna try be one of these modern whores she can get da fuck out of my face real fast.

[–]cashmoney_x 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"she has NOTHING to offer to any man"

Well, she has one thing......

[–]DextroShade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Childfree is a plus to many men, especially with how family courts are nowadays.

[–]Expectations1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She may not have anything to offer, but she still wants the top 1%. Even if she is partying, if she met someone of a 1% caliber, she would settle down.

When she actually does hit 30, she may either continue to search for mister 1%, or settle down with <1 %, OR complain why there are no good men around.

Moral? Be or appear to be top 1%.

A woman is on the clock to find someone awesome, a man is on the clock to be awesome.

[–]GBP4tendies 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My friend, your sister is a THOT. And someday soon, she will be patrolled.

[–]Johndoesmith67 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bro shes 20. Her shit literally doesn't stink at this age. Let her turn 24 and watch everything change.

[–]DeeMooreDeeMarriet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Before I comment on whether or not your sister deserves a top tier man you need to post pics.

Preferably nudes.

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