Red Pill TheoryOn Cheating: "THERE IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN YOU." (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by SasquatchMcKraken

False. There is always different than you. Which isn't really the same thing. Say you're a jovial, fun-loving guy. Even if you act alpha as fuck, things like boredom (i.e. failure to maintain mystery), a bad fight, illness on your part, the chattering of her single "friends," or all the above, could easily cause your girl to hamster that your fun-loving disposition makes you a dork, or goofy, or 'immature.' Then she might wonder what it's like to get dicked down by the "strong, silent type." And there will be guys in her life who fit the bill. Say you're that strong, silent type. The aforementioned factors could cause her to hamster that you're a passionless stick-in-the-mud and that what she really needs in her life is some outgoing joke-cracking dude. And there will be guys in her life who fit that bill too.

Same goes for occupation. Maybe you're a red-pilled lawyer or finance wizard or programming guru providing her a high-dollar lifestyle. But she might hamster that broke-ass Mike who knows how to work with his hands is oh so hawt and masculine and "like, why doesn't my so-called man know everything about cars and plumbing??" In which case you can be sure broke-ass Mike won't get the "I have a boyfriend." treatment if he comes calling.

The examples could fill volumes, but I'm sure you see my point. You don't have to be a limp-wrist male feminist or a fat neglectful husband to get cheated on. You really don't even have to be BP. You just have to be in an "exclusive" relationship. Some on TRP are perfectly happy to swallow the blue-pill when it comes to absolving a woman of all responsibility if she can't stay faithful. They assume it must be the man, and not the whore, who is fucking up so all they have to do to not get cheated on is "not fuck up." That's unfortunate, because the truth of the matter is this: her slutting around isn't a cold anthropological calculation of her future offspring's best chances. It's an impulsive wild cock chase, with her feelz and tinglez leading the way. Hypergamy doesn't necessarily work upwards (though she'll ALWAYS convince herself that she's upgrading). That might be the bio-evo ideal, but in practice it often goes laterally or even downhill from any objective standpoint. Trouble is, in the face of her feelz objective reality doesn't mean shit.

My advice? Don't stay up at night worrying about it, but realize that even acting RP can only reduce its probability; you can never totally eliminate it. Have a rapid-release plan and be prepared to deploy it ruthlessly. I know a lot of dudes on here advocate demoting her to plate status, but to me that looks an awful lot like rewarding terrible behavior. She's still getting the sex she craves while you merely withdraw your commitment as "punishment." Hell of a punishment considering if she gave a shit about your commitment, she wouldn't have risked losing it by cheating on you. Men are the gatekeepers of validation as well as commitment. Withdraw both. I suggest going Casper The Indifferent Ghost on her ass and delete her from your life. No matter how relentlessly she tries to get back in, she's only sorry she got caught.

[–]_TheRP 148 points149 points  (20 children)

Women are like small children. You can dangle the coolest set of keys in front of them, and eventually they'll get bored.

There is no greater sin to a woman than a man being boring.

You need to provide an emotional roller coaster without showing emotion yourself, and even if you manage it perfectly it'll still eventually get stale - because you'll eventually get stale.

[–]dontbedenied 65 points66 points  (3 children)

This was so hard for me to accept. My father and grandfather both have lead pretty boring lives but are deeply loved by their wives. I expected the same from women I dated...I just had to be my nice, genuine self and some beautiful woman would love me and never think of cheating on me. Ugh...

[–]TheRiseAndFall 73 points74 points  (1 child)

Back then the consequences of being caught cheating were strict. You did not want to be a divorced wife. Things changed greatly after the 70's. Women are now empowered for bing single and doing whatever they want. And big daddy government is happy to bail them out with our tax money and assets transferred to the women in the patented no-fault divorce.

It's basically like what would happen if kids were empowered to rebel against their parents and were given their parents property if they objected. From what I've read of the cases in India of what women can do to their potential husbands and their own family regarding dowry practices, in some places my hypothetical analogy is actually reality.

[–]antoine_roquentine 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I believe it has been termed "legal terrorism" by the Supreme Court of India. According to an enquiry by a 3 person panel comprising of ex- Supreme Court judges, a large portion of dowry harassment and domestic violence cases reported in India(mostly urban, I've been lead to believe) are false and have been filed for the sole purpose of blackmail. Since Section 498A of the Indian Penal Code covering dowry harassment is a non -bailable offence, a number of men and their relatives (including elderly parents, pre-pubescent children) are being jailed under the grounds of dowry harassment. The cases are quite often dropped as well, as soon as a substantial 'donation' has been made.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Different times man. Now any small mistake can set you off. I'm really curious how this will play out since it's a very bad time for men to develop their emotional and commitment side. And women still yearn for this. But only when it's gone.

[–]DeltaLightChop 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I wouldn't say an "emotional roller coaster" is a good thing either. Unless she has an extremely inflated ego, she might think you're too good for her. A lot of people, both men and women alike, don't have high levels of confidence and self-worth. If they feel like they don't deserve you, they might fall right out of love.

You can be a guy with a six figure salary who has a boat, can fly a plane, takes her on crazy adventures, listen and care for her, and give her the best sex imaginable. But if she doesn't feel worthy of all that stuff, she will fee overwhelmed. It's great being spontaneous and exciting, but not to the point where it's predictable or considered a drastic "high" in the relationship. Take it slowly but evenly, giving her little surprises here and there. But most importantly, live your life to primarily please yourself. No girl worth dating wants a guy who will bend over backwards and radically change the course of his life just to be with her (that's just hollywood nonsense). Because she too will get bored one day from the guy playing the game and will want out. Then, the guy is left with nothing but wasted time and opportunities.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 15 points16 points  (0 children)

If a guy did all that shit for her, unless he showed dread every now and then, she'd think she could do better than him.

[–]TheReformist94 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's why you cheat on her

[–]iamaliasgharkhan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. You manage, develop a deep emotional connection with her, make her addicted to you.

[–]thechaosz -1 points0 points  (2 children)

This for days.

I do this for my gf and it's easy, because it's a natural thing for me. I do whatever the fuck I want, whenever.

I'm also not faithful but she knows because I have the upper hand in every aspect of the relationship.

ALWAYS date down but bang up

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not even that, you can be an emotional exciting rollercoaster she tries to chase and eventually she just lets go because you hurt her or she gave up suddenly and the next time things turned out different. Women are an enigma, you can understand them but you can't control them.

[–]bolupua 0 points1 point  (0 children)

eventually they'll get bored.

Yes, the trick is to get bored faster than her. It's a bless, but also a curse. My relationship with my wife actually improved a lot when I start fucking other girls. She's now my ex-wife though, lol.

[–]FMIBMW 1 points1 points [recovered]

This is why any man must have their "EJECTION" switch painted in the brightest red with fucking sparkles covering the whole handle.

Unfortunately with most of guys and some of us on here we end up slowly dismantling that "EJECTION" handle one nut at a time via LTR's, kids, marriage, co-habitation, etc... and naively letting a 5 year old air traffic controller (women) give us proper speeds, altitudes, and directions.

Then when we lose control and plummeting straight into earth... when we go for the handle it simply just comes off with a "oh shit" and then a giant fire ball erupts of the wreckage. Air traffic takes no responsibility and IN FACT rationalizes that YOU are the one who listened to the directions.

[–]beautifulexit 34 points35 points  (0 children)

"5 year old air traffic controller" is my new quote of the week

[–]aanarchist 19 points20 points  (1 child)

that's a very cartoonish imagery, i like it.

[–]JFMX1996 4 points5 points  (0 children)

VERY cartoonish...but so, so fucking accurate.

[–]Torabor64 267 points268 points  (32 children)

Tl;dr: She isn't yours, it's only your turn.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken[S] 76 points77 points  (2 children)

Yep. Unfortunately a lot of dudes think their turn will last forever if they play their cards right, and BP guys think this without even knowing there are cards to play.

[–]Incendior 34 points35 points  (0 children)

This. Learning this and coming to terms with it gave me more abundance mentality than having any plate.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The thing is that naturally the time window for these things is about four years. And truly I see most functional relationships last that long. Before this relationships would last a life time but you knew the spark had died long ago. There's lots of material that backs up this number. It ties into child rearing when the baby is at it's most vulnerable, unable to walk etc.

But what I notice more and more now is how short term relationships, flings and plates just flicker on and off within seconds. This isn't natural but a sign of mental illness. People suffer trauma and are unable to reconcile reality. They end up fucking up. Women most of all. Which means that you get this super flakey girl who just doesn't know.

[–]EddTheEdducator 17 points18 points  (18 children)

So if my turn will eventually end with any woman I choose to invest in,then the logical thing to do is to spin plates for the rest of my life.Is this really what I have to be expecting from women? If I invest in her to have a deeper relationship than fucking she will one day betray me or live my life jumping from temporary sex partner until I'm to old to spin plates then die alone?

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (12 children)

Invest and build a life worth living.

If you want unconditional love, buy a dog.

Once you raise your SMV past a certain point, you realize your mission is the only thing worth living for.

[–]1ozaku7 19 points20 points  (11 children)

This unconditional love only exists because they are fed, let out of the house and everything. You are basically keeping a prisoner that loves it. Same with cats. They are assholes all day long, until they need food, they will crawl up and be all cute.

"I give you love, you give me food". I've been playing with the dog of the boyfriend of my mom alot, feeding him, treating him very well, running outside. In the end, he listened better to me than to him because I offered him more than he did.

What unconditional love are you fucking talking about, LOL. It does NOT EXIST. Give the dog an option to pick a master and he will fuck you over for the one that feeds him better food than you do.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Youre being too extreme and you know it, calm your hamster.

Take into context that we're talking about in relation to women. By that measure, the love seems unconditional.

[–]1ozaku7 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I know I am, but you can't compare the love of a woman to the love of a dog. The only thing that is different is that a woman realizes has options, and a dog thinks you're the only thing in the world. Which is why women used to be so loyal decades ago because they knew that after a divorce they were nothing and noone wanted them. Because if a man had the guts to go through marriage, she must have sucked and is not worthy of any mans time.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

They were never loyal. You're describing a time where their hypergamous nature was kept in check.

You're arguing semantics now, we're not really disagreeing here.

The dogs require food, water, and minimal validation and are effectively helpless on their own.

Compared to women, who are also helpless but require multiple facets of your life to be of sufficient SMV in the SMP before they'll even engage. I dont think it's really necessary to extrapolate this point.

In some of my darkest days, surrounded by strangers and being fed treats (they're escape artists) my dogs have time and again come to me when i had nothing to offer but a firm hand.

Loyalty is contextual. Ok, so some basic, minimal, conditions must be met to secure it. Show me the alternative to a dogs loyalty.

Simply put, the ROI in regards to dogs is sky high compared to a woman's ROI.

[–]1ozaku7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A man with dogs and daughters is honestly also a very good indication. Watch how his dog is towards him. I've seen that with about a dozen of men, those who get respect from their dog have pretty decent daughters. Then there are the owners with dogs that kind of do whatever they want and his daughters are a mess, because he doesn't even dare to discipline his dog with the hard hand decently.

[–]ForeverMaverick 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Give the dog an option to pick a master and he will fuck you over for the one that feeds him better food than you do.

I've been getting shot down all my life for saying this. I feel validated.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can do everything right and still lose your woman.

You can do everything wrong and still open the door to a happy dog. Unless you don't even bother to feed and water it. Then all you have is a mess.

It's relative, guys. Not sure how a dog will ever have a position to "Fuck you over" like a woman would. If you get tired of your dog you can take him to the pound and have him put down, no questions asked. Problem solved, no life-time divorce rape. I literally loled at the absurdity of this post.

We have to establish a reference point somewhere when it comes to "love". Might as well be a dog. Minimal investment for the amount of return. Low risk. Low required upkeep. Potentiality high payout in relation to your investment.

Basically the exact opposite of a woman.

[–]Gandalf_le_blanc 1 points1 points [recovered]


Swallowing the pill now means having to worry about hypergamous dogs.

[–]ForeverMaverick 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Have a few of them, that will keep those little canine hypergamous instincts in check.

[–]VDKay 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No. It is just suggested to spin the tables around. You are not hers, it's only her turn. As long as it is her turn, you can do whatever you want (invest/sex/etc.). If she chooses to end her turn prematurely, so be it. Women come up with a million reasons to rationalize why they leave you. Most of the times, they don't even know themselves. Don't stress it. Someone else will come.

[–]Torabor64 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That seems correct, but keep in mind that after the wall it's the man who has greater SMV, so you might be able to be so good for her that ahe can't find a better partner. In theory spinning plates in your 20s and 30s will give you the "skill" of dealing with women in a LTR.

[–]joh2141 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No but I guess when you get too old you might settle for a woman who hasn't really (allegedly) played the cock chase because she's far past post wall status?

No one is saying all you're relationships will inevitably end this way; they're just saying there is a possibility it can happen to anyone no matter how good you are or how perfect. Because it's simply your turn. Let's say you marry an actual unicorn on paper. Virgin and doesn't have any friends and only hangs with you and likes everything you like. After 50 years of marriage you still play the same game of romancing her and going through all the pitfalls of dealing with women and if you stop doing that where she feels unhappy or neglected, she always has the option to leave you for another guy and in heated arguments it might be something she brings up.

You don't get to own her like a slave or property. It is simply your turn. I mean marriage is unnatural we say that a lot in TRP. It deluded you with the idea of a happily ever after once you put on the old ball and chain.

[–]abstractplebbit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's okay to invest in a nice LTR as long as you are honest with yourself about the reality of things. There is still plenty of reasons NOT to get married as there is an massively asymmetric downside when you're comparing marriage to LTR with few added benefits

Understandthe line between what is an investment for your benefit and a complete personal sacrifice then things become more clear. If you're investing it should feel like she is too

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Normally you'd get about four years and truly you will often be tired off her yourself. That's a long time to be together. Only if you are so beta and have no realistic options you will dread that day. The problem from my own experience resides in these relationships blowing up real fast.

You've hardly met the girl and things just don't work out. A month, half a year, two years tops. And this can be caused by anything. Being beta, being to alpha. losing SMV, having a bad fight, dreading her to much. And so on.

When women are loose canons like they are no. A hundred things can go wrong that will send her flying off. That's where you get the dazed guys who wonder 'wtf went wrong'. Because we don't work like that. If you ever had a long relationship you will be fine with the 'not for ever' red pill. Just remember that four years is allot of time to get bored off some girl.

[–]brinkleybuzz 2 points3 points  (3 children)

And you're not hers, it's only her turn, as long as she adds value to your life. You're the prize and she had to earn your commitment.

The root cause of anxiety about cheating is being in a woman's frame in a relationship. You see her as the prize and you worry about losing her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My only anxiety about cheating is never finding out - its not knowing that kills me. Cheat on me, see ya later.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree although it's not that cut and dry. Women depend on men to form emotional bonds with them and that's why you give a shit about girls. So having anxiety is bad but feeling frustration at the current state where every girl can't hold it together is warranted.

Things always go the same. Meet a girl > she wants to get close > I take things easy > end up liking the girl a bit > things somehow blow up > have to let go > become more pessimistic > meet a girl > she wants to get close > I take things even more easy etc..

The problem in this chain ain't men taking it easy or the girl wanting to get close. It's in the 'things blow up' stage where shit goes south. And once you fix your end of these problems the only reason shit blows up is because women haven't fixed shit.

[–]TheReformist94 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Standard cuck anthem of this sub. Only an idiot remains faithful knowing his time will come

[–]Torabor64 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's why we have plates instead of LTRs

[–]abstractplebbit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's like saying only an idiot wouldn't kill himself right now since we all know we are going to die some day. Self sabotage is retarded. What matters is that you not act like a cuck if or when the time comes

[–]1ozaku7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're not hers either, bang around because sooner or later, you will lose your turn anyway.

[–]SlothOnRoids 47 points48 points  (1 child)

No guarantee she won't cheat but you should never be scared to walk away. Never be complacent and too comfortable in your relationship. Never stop improving yourself each and every day.

[–]Psychocist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never stop improving yourself each and every day

..agreed. Just don't do it for her OR your relationship.

[–]smyger 37 points38 points  (3 children)

Wow. Makes me sad to hear but I guess it's true and you can't do anything about it.

[–]nazis_are_socialists 23 points24 points  (2 children)

It doesn't make me sad anymore. Years ago it did. Once you accept it as a fact of reality, you realize that your blue pill worldview was completely flawed from the start. A Just-World fallacy, if you will. It's just the way women are so if you accept it and treat them that way, your interactions with them can be extremely happy and fulfilling again because you don't expect something from them that they are incapable of providing.

[–]gitgud0 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Basically if you understand this concept, the only type of relationship that makes sense is to spin plates.

You can't have a realtionship or marriage if you can't trust the woman. It makes no sense to have a LTR and know that tomorrow your gf will be sucking a drugdealer's cock or that the mother of your children, now liberated by the government and following the opinions of her friends, will be licking cum out of the plumber's dick without a hint of remorse.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think there's a big difference between a healthy woman who gives herself fully in a relationship only to lose the feelz when nature has done it's job and some mentally ill chick that can't even stay together for half a year.

The problem isn't female nature, men and women are perfectly tuned to eachother originally to reconcile these things. What we have right now with the flakeyness, high cock count and short term relationships is a social effect created by trauma, culture and technology. It's only natural in the same way that men can become serial killers.

TRP likes to present things in black and white so if a large percentage of women do X then it must be in their nature to do so as shown in explanation Y and Z. But people are much more complex than that. I wanna bet allot of guys on here came to this place because of dysfunctional relationships and dating. Not because their LTR off four years admitted she wasn't feeling it anymore.

[–]newName543456 73 points74 points  (9 children)

Hoes want variety, and yes, you can be as alpha as they come, if woman wants some strange, hamster will find a way to make you look like crap in comparison. That is, until other guy won't commit and branch swing fails, then you're back to being "greatest guy ever" and that whole misadventure "didn't mean a thing", even if for months you were treated like crap or as if you never existed.

Even mainstream admits frequency of sex in LTRs drops over time. Difference is, they choose to hamster it as "sex isn't important, true love conquers all".

[–]TonyZ554 8 points9 points  (8 children)

When it does happen to you, the point is you walk away. When her other branch cracks her hypergamy will have backfired and she will essentially have to be lucky enough to get in a situation where a man that she perceives to be as good or better is giving her his commitment.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Their hamster protects them from really feeling any downside of being left alone. They have real abundance.

[–]ForeverMaverick 2 points3 points  (5 children)

It's not the hamster, it's the feminists and the betas.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (4 children)

It's definitely the hamster bro. The betas and feminists enable and strengthen the hamster sure but it starts with the hamster.

Men worth their shit don't have a hamster. They live in and try to navigate through as much objective reality as possible. The hamster is a female coping mechanism for their inability to make logical decisions due to their overwhelming emotions (due to their estrogen/testosterone ratio and balance).

[–]ForeverMaverick 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Women cannot hamster being alone. That's why they have beta orbiters even when in self-described monogamous relationships.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Lol you get offended so quickly. Just realised you made that 'special' thread the other day and conflicted with every commenter that didn't immediately agree with you.

Learn some social skills buddy. Peace

[–]ForeverMaverick 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sorry I didn't cater to your need for being understood. My plates also complain about that.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Apology accepted. Now run along.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's more than one way this can happen. I've plated girls and stringed them along so badly that they eventually got tired off crawling back to me. Some ghost but allot try to get me jealous. Then I next until I figure i'm not pissed anymore or they crawl back to me again. And on the game goes.

[–]tr0n_cat 33 points34 points  (16 children)

I know a lot of dudes on here advocate demoting her to plate status . . . Hell of a punishment considering if she gave a shit about your commitment, she wouldn't have risked losing it by cheating on you.


This is so dead-fucking-on. I can't imagine anything more frame-breaking than wasting one breath on a woman that cheated. You need to be ready to hit that eject button quick and ghost her despite any feelz you may have wound up catching.

[–]NibblyPig 10 points11 points  (9 children)

I disagree, it's the scorpion and the frog. No point in scolding the scorpion for doing what's in its nature. Demote to whatever is convenient for you. Don't try to control someone's base instincts because you will lose.

[–]tr0n_cat 29 points30 points  (8 children)

I'm not saying scold the scorpion. Just walk the fuck away from it.

[–]NibblyPig 7 points8 points  (7 children)

It was implied that the scorpion should be punished by walking away completely as opposed to just plating it, to teach it a lesson or something. My question is why do you care what the scorpion thinks.

[–]tr0n_cat 14 points15 points  (1 child)

It's not about what the scorpion thinks at all. It's about the regard you hold yourself in. It's contempt vs hatred, like Schopenhauer said:

Hatred and contempt are diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive. There are even not a few cases where hatred of a person is rooted in nothing but forced esteem for his qualities. And besides, if a man sets out to hate all the miserable creatures he meets, he will not have much energy left for anything else; whereas he can despise them, one and all, with the greatest ease. True, genuine contempt is just the reverse of true, genuine pride; it keeps quite quiet and gives no sign of its existence. For if a man shows that he despises you, he signifies at least this much regard for you, that he wants to let you know how little he appreciates you; and his wish is dictated by hatred, which cannot exist with real contempt. On the contrary, if it is genuine, it is simply the conviction that the object of it is a man of no value at all.

Emphasis mine

[–]ForeverMaverick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what, you don't need to love, or in this case hate her to fuck her. Put your romance away and fuck with contempt. For your satisfaction. Dress, leave, repeat.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I'm talking about disengagement, not punishment. You're a lot more forgiving than I am, because to me cheating is the worst thing you can do in a relationship. We're not talking about a bad argument or her just being annoying here. If you fuck up like that in my organization I'm not giving you a pay cut. Your ass is fired. There's enough pussy in this world to not have to hang on to a chick who betrayed you.

[–]beatdownbeta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Enough HB9 pussy? Could you help a brother out cause I can't get ANY. Every Tinder match, fb friend, and thirsty beta is a better option than me, all because I'm short and don't wear designer clothes like a sjw, and don't have the time or energy to pander to their lying and draining drama bullshit. And I'm not even bringing in the Chad Thundercocks to the problem. Firing a girl means nothing, every other organization wants to hire them simply because of the tips they generate. Male thirst is (possibly) a personal blessing but always a collateral curse on the surrounding ecosystem.

I salute you for only firing them, but think you show weakness by not doing more. If she drained you, you should drain her. Quid pro quo. That's why girls get away with this shit, rarely do they actually encounter the karma they create. This needs to change.

[–]ForeverMaverick -1 points0 points  (2 children)

cheating is the worst thing you can do in a relationship

Stop whining. There's no such thing as good or bad. Things are what they are. Predators will predate. Accept that. Grow a pair. Move the fuck on.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If I pointed out that murder was bad would you consider that whining? I made a simple statement of fact, and moving the fuck on is precisely what I advocated in my post and what tr0n_cat reiterated. Yet that seems to be the very point you disagree with.

[–]LOST_TALE[🍰] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I think best sex is anonymous sex. To shit to worry about, except stds

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Good luck finding that on regular. Either you end up with the most washed up skanks out there, that's fine but you still got to find them. Any normal girl will always push for commitment even if you met or on fucking chatroullete. I've heard the most ludicrous stories of how people met and the same thing always held true, the girl wanted more.

Now that's fine for the girl but guys also need something. And when a girl turns out to be a Ho or betrays his trust the magic is gone.

[–]LOST_TALE[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

fake identities can be fun, even for honest people. Sure an untrained liar has to put effort, but you can give yourself the lolz at the bs you're peddling.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't follow. You can fake any identity out there when you are mingling with girls, most will still try to get to know you because they seek more than just sex. For women sex is a catalyst.

[–]HappySmaug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This so much! I had to ghost my favorite plate a month ago and I HATED having to do it. I still miss her but at least I can look myself in the mirror.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've yet to meet a woman who engaged in a sexual relationship with a guy that didn't try to lock him down or back down. Having said that if you get cheated on in a relationship then she pretty much broke the contract. When a plate fucks up small or big time you can easily demote her to a permanent plate or adjust expectations while you continue spinning her after a good punishment.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 36 points37 points  (1 child)

the chattering of her single "friends,"

this is one of the biggest causes of women going astray or all of a sudden acting out like idiots. i can't stress this enough. women will try to sabotage other women constantly. i don't give a fuck if they've known each other for 20 years (especially then). i've seen this happen way too often in many different social groups (not just some dumb bar cunts). happened to a couple of ltr's i've had, luckily for me, my girls listened to my reasoning over their "friends" and the fire was put out.

also, this:

she's only sorry she got caught

[–]1GreenPiller 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I laugh everytime a guy on AskTRP states that his girl told him he was the best guy she has been with and that it's doubtful she would cheat on him.

[–]2Dmva100 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Only one way to counter this. Get variety yourself and stop investing.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You will always have a favorite. No matter what. Also girls will have you as their favorite. Most guys on TRP are big on the ego thing. Try and resist that.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

There really isn't any better than me . True fact.

[–]NibblyPig 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This mentality gets you laid. I'll A&A by literally stating this with a shrug like it's common sense. I'm an egotistical asshole, so they say.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yes, nothing will save you from hypergamy, however, by being alpha in every aspect of your life & limiting emotional investment you'll never lose sleep over what constitutes her "preferences".

[–]workingmanrush 11 points12 points  (6 children)

I've observed one wife who is cheating on her husband, he hasn't a clue and at the time I figured it out I was shocked, that said my instincts a long time ago told me she wasn't happy; I'm happily married, but I do occasionally check my wife's phone and computer especially after observing this other woman cheating; I read MMSLP and it really improved my marriage, but it's a challenge to mix alpha and beta, figure out shit tests v loyalty tests; if my marriage did ever fall apart I'm very confident l would be fine and juggle plates (maybe, I get a lot of interest, who knows); just be the best man you can be, mix the alpha and beta, what happens happens; if a woman cheats, when I dated I always moved on, probably would still do that, hopefully I'll never have that problem

[–]Starter91 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you have to balance like a monkey on a rope spinning dishes then it is no worth in my opinion. But hey, if you like stressful life go by all means go ahead.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (4 children)

If a guy doesn't notice his woman is looking around he's either clueless about things and blue pill to the core or she's very good at hiding it while she fools him. Women suck at hiding shit so it's almost always the former.

I've yet to be wrong about when a girl was faithfull and when she wasn't. It's pretty obvious to, watch her actions and not what she says. If your woman appears nuts over you and constantly obsessing it's doubtful she's doing something else. But if she acts casual and relaxed well, that's a slipery slope.

[–]dabulls113 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Old post but this is the best advice in the thread. Everyone else is too busy generalizing to understand that men must be paying attention.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Women are obsessive over the men they sleep with. Unless you're dating some manjaw high-t nutcase. And women can't be nuts over multiple partners like men can. They aren't polygamous like we are, they are hypergamous. AF/BB. Which means that there is only one guy getting the AF treatment while everyone else gets the BB designated roles.

This is why women keep coming back to jerkboys, they keep triggering mini honeymoon periods and then cutting them off. This creates friction and drama. Meanwhile women cheat with their stable boyfriend because they let the honeymoon period settle.

Keeping a relationship up with all the rollercoaster ride moments inbetween is the art of keeping a woman interested. Most guys lack the experience and red pill frame of mind so they lie to themselves about their platonic girlfriend being faithfull. Then they whine on online forums about how women will cheat all the time. Instead of accepting that women will cheat all the time when they fuck up.

[–]dabulls113 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Very true statement, women cheat when men fuck up.

This comment has me hoping I've maintained the rollercoaster well. I have been doing it for 7 yrs after all...

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Watch out though, it's slippery slope to make the same mistakes. You want it to be true. Truth is, and I've observed this many times in my life. Relationships don't live beyond 3-4 years. If they do it's in a different form, especially for women who rely on feelz and brain chemicals. It's a natural thing for us humans.

You have women that are so fucked up, childish and weird that they always require 100% feelz stimulant. The moment your performance dips beyond 90% they are gone. And some women can put things into perspective and accept that you aren't lovesick teenagers anymore after 7 years and they stay loyal.

It's a very thin line though. Some leave, some cheat and some are okay with it. This is why vetting is a crucial skill to develop. But even then, an otherwise healthy woman can still make the wrong choices for you. And if she does just know that it's healthy for her to yearn for something else after 3+ years. I had a girlfriend when I was young who couldn't even last a year. Suffice to say she's wasn't the most stable individual. Usually the pair bonding between men and women takes about 3-4 years.

[–]blackierobinsun3 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Biches want that new car smell, when it wears off they just get another car, but they don't realize they damage they cause

[–]1ozaku7 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Women want to have their cake and eat it too. Very rarely have I ever heard a woman saying she is satisfied with all her decisions in her life, because decisions mean that you have to give up one option to get the other. But they want both. And it's the same with men. They might want the silent nerdy guy, they might want the masculine plumber from around the corner. Settling isn't an option, because they lose the option of having the other.

This is where their cheating tactics come in, where they hamster that this man is so different and her current man cannot possibly ever offer her this, it is not considered cheating because she isn't getting from him something that her man can give her. She chases both options and has them, and only cries when she loses them both, because then she's back at square one again.

Females are a gender that is permanently dissatisfied. They become happy when you "open a door for them", but soon after they pass that door, they realize that there are plenty of closed doors that they expect for you to open. Que, gifts and deeds that you give or do for her, which all go into the abyss of history and we're back at "Yeah, you built me a castle, you gave me richdom, you're making me cum every evening and you're the best man alive, but "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY?"

Lastly, I don't know why TRP is so upset with women cheating, understanding their nature and that commitment is just a social construct. Why don't you just get into an LTR and have the cake and eat it too like women do. Go on business trips, fucks coworkers, fuck clients, do whatever the fuck you like. What she doesn't know doesn't exist in her world, and as long as you keep that up, you are a dirty cheater in your reality, but in her reality you are the faithful husband, she will or will not cheat on. You will never know that, your reality is what you are seeing and everyone has their secrets.

[–]behindtheline40 5 points6 points  (3 children)

TRP cares about cheating because cheating burns a hole into your goddamn soul. Especially when you're blue.

It's a great motivator. But you get put through the ringer while you're there.

[–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In what way does it burn a hole in your soul? The good or bad way? Yeah, to society you're a piece of shit, but if your woman refuses to satisfy you and other women are creaming their panties for your dick, what would you do if you only had one life to live? Stick with the shitty or go with the pretty? I'm not loyal to a baker that doesn't sell any of his bread to me because of reasons, but I will hop to the one that yells "Hey, over here I have some!".

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cheating triggers your anti cuck defense as much as a woman is triggered by her anti-beta-seed wirewall. That time of the month when she only wants a good dicking is comparable to your obsession with only wanting a pure girl around you. Just observe how men act towards known sluts. They orbit looking for an easy bite but quickly retract when it it's not given. You can imagine that this is bad news for a woman that depends on male resources to survive. If all your 'resources' constantly evaporate when you don't put out fast enough and when you do it evaporates anyway. Try and solve that dilemma.

[–]ForeverMaverick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Question: would you upgrade a plate to relationship if she asks, just to keep the action going, and keep spinning the other plates too?

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most girls tho will do this in a structured manner that makes it clear to the guy. She will also always look to get serious with the new guy, which is why it's so noticeable to the current dude. If a girl is recklessly playing the field while sticking to her boyfriend like glue, that's damaged goods. Also it's very easy to spot since these girls don't make a big project out of catering to their boyfriends.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 10 points11 points  (2 children)

There is always different than you.

The words many men have said: But why HIM?!?!? Because he was different.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That's why you need to be yourself and confident about who you are. When your girl cheats on you with someone that's different you just shrug 'ah no idea what she sees in him' and you move on.

If you are at odds with yourself and your girl trades you for another guy, you will always feel scammed because perhaps you'd want to be that guy.

Personally I love my job and life. I like the active living employment in the military provides. I like feeling fit and on top of my game. But I can't count how many times a girl has openly said to me she likes musicians. But that guy ain't me, I would hate it being that guy. To me the whole life seems boring compared to mine. So when a girl inevitably trades me for a guitarist who can string sick solos. I don't feel like shit because I wouldn't want to be that guy to begin with.

Life starts and ends with yourself.

[–]JaspersChest 31 points32 points  (3 children)


Japan better hurry up with that AI sex robot.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yeah, can't wait for the AskTRP "Does my AI sex robot really love me" threads.

[–]JaspersChest 2 points3 points  (1 child)

"My AI has been sending signals to the Chad Bot 2.0 down the street, how to retaliate?"

[–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Should I next my AI and what's the best way to cut the warranty?"

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hate your post cus it's so true.

Blue pills won't accept this.

[–]1Harry_Wangs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is true and it works both ways. I was very tempted to cheat on my ex-ltr with two girls who weren't as attractive. They were only maybe 6-7.5s. but the fact that they threw themselves at me and it would have been so easy, made it hard not to cheat. Because I got sex whenever I wanted and saw the same naked girl hundreds of times, I got bored also. It went from me wanting sex 2-3 times per day to me wanting sex only 3 times per week.

I have realized, for me to get into another LTR, I will need to share some deep important value with my LTR. Otherwise, I will get bored of her and she will likely get bored of me too. I don't think LTRs are necessarily bad ideas, but you need to acknowledge that you will get bored of her looks, and she will get bored of yours. Granted, the better looking you are, the longer infatuation will last, but you'll need to move beyond that or the LTR won't last.

[–]Lesic 8 points9 points  (0 children)

First two paragraphs should be in the sidebar.

[–]Nyctangel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Seriously this statement is as good for both women and men, there will always be someone more attractive than you, there will always be someone more interesting than you, you cannot get every hobby/interest/job/physical particularity out of a single person, never.

Its greedy people who can't be happy with what they have or who will always convince themselves that they can find "better", thing is there is ALWAYS someone who may be more fitting so when will it be enough?

Just be happy with what you have or at least have the minimum respect to your partner to at least not cheat and leave him/her or find other solutions.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Preach brother. After thinking about this topic for some time I came up with this exact conclusion. Proper post.

[–]tk421awol 1 points1 points [recovered]

The reason most men have less power in their relationship than women is that the men have not accepted and internalize the Abundance Mentality, while the females are force-fed and happy to binge on that idea. And the number one rule of relationships? Whoever needs it less, has ALL the power.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (1 child)

While women have abundance in men I doubt they have it in high value alphas. When I was young and inexperienced I couldn't believe how easily women moved on and replaced me. One day they liked me and the other day they were indifferent.

Now no matter the time that passes, they are always just as attracted to me or more. The only difference is that where girls used to be indifferent they now often end up hating me.

[–]Glacierdust 3 points4 points  (1 child)

OP, I agree with you, I really do. But I just want to point out 2 things and I hope you don't see them as disagreement: 1) yes, women want something different, something shiny, and there are men in her life who fit the criteria BUT that also means that there are women in your life who want YOU. Especially if you're Red as fuck. Do not worry about it if you have a cushion of abundance. This should hit your LTR with some dread and she'll think twice before she "accidentally" sits on some other dick.

And, 2) I'm not siding with women on this exactly, but for fuck's sake most men really are boring. It's unfair to ditch them if they're decent and they provide and all that but I still urge you to look around and see just how dull most men are. And it's because they don't have a purpose and they don't have a belief system to abide by and they don't belong to any brotherhood forged by trials and tribulations the way a squad of war veterans is.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, dread game is a powerful deterrent. But it's still a deterrent. It makes her think twice about cheating but it can't really keep her from thinking about cheating. If anything, she might hamster that you must be cheating too so what the hell. But yes, dread game is a very powerful deterrent

And I agree that most men, like most people in general, are nothing to write home about. Especially in ultra-comfortable, somewhat mundane modern America (relative to the past and other nations). The draft is over, patriotism while still strong has been buried under other things, and the fraternal orders, lodges, and social clubs of our grandfathers are unfortunately a thing of the past. But that's still no excuse to cheat. If her man is boring her she should break up with his sorry ass. She's the one who said yes when he asked her out, and she's probably the one who pressured for things to get exclusive. Facts of life though they might be, cheating and branch swinging are still bullshit.

[–]VenusHypergamy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I had a plate tell me once that she very quickly "gets tired" of guys. That was the last time we hooked up. Just my turn.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let me guess, she wasn't really 'heads over heelz obsessed' over you? Classic hallmark of a high n-count chick that's been alpha widowed one to many times and probably has daddy issues. Girls like that are lost and don't understand what drives them anymore. So they just fuck around in the hopes they will one day feel like they did when they were pure. But this never happens. Then they try a gangbang. Go from hero to zero and decompose with allot of cats.

[–]bobaisdope 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Now I totally understand why my dad didn't let my mom go to work after giving birth to me, he made her a housewife since then. But I was born in Asia and the women here are pretty submissive, but it's not quite true for today, they're being westernized, always acting entitled, these little snowflakes, whatever you want to call them. I guess things were easy for dating back then, my dad is alpha af, very funny and smart, outgoing guy, but he chose to marry my mom, who is just 6, I bet my dad bang a lot of babes but decided to marry just a normal woman, a woman who can help him raise his children, clean the house, cook him meals.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Women are women, my friend. The phenomenon is species-wide. The only difference is how well different cultures keep this reality in check.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'd really like to witness a time where men were put in the position women are right now. All the power and enablement. You can smack any Ho, you can have harem, you have a dating app that's tailored to you talking to multiple girls while a girl can only talk to one guy at a time etc.

Honestly I think we'd be just as bad as they are now. And they would be twice as desperate as most guys are right now. Yes it's female nature, it's male nature. But they are enabled so much to behave like this. And men are just reacting to this skewed game in totally the wrong manner.

Which is funny because if you finally learn to react in the correct way, you are pretty much a sociopath. Which is what women are creating. Because they have this much power.

The only way men can survive mentally is by not caring at all for them. Taking away the power they gained. Bringing balance to the sexual marketplace. And then women are up to react to that again. The game never ends.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The game really does never end. It's just that our ancestors tried harder to keep a lid on it. Sociopaths have always had an advantage. We say "plates," they said "mistresses." We call it "TRP," they called it things like "the natural order of things." It's like if in ten years they demoted all murders to a misdemeanor. Some people would start killing, but those who won't kill now still won't and most of those who will kill probably would've done so anyway it's just that now they'll kill even more. What we have now is the training wheels falling off, which sucks for BP dudes in the short-term and society in the long-term. But people are always going to do what they really want to do.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is zero motivation for a man to develop his committal side in this environment. We have this incredibly complex society that only becomes more specialized and complex and no future males will bother working the cogs because being a cog gets you cucked.

[–]TonyZ554 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just remember is that different than you is perceived as better than you according to her for the moment she decides to cheat or branch swing. When her new branch cracks or the other guy never actually commits is when hypergamy can backfire. That's when she has to essentially "luck" her way back into a situation where a man who she perceives to be as good or better than you that will also give her his commitment.

[–]greatslyfer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Strong, silent type."

Which we all know there's nothing really mysterious behind it lol, but whateva.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the gold. The little bro of a good friend of mine, who I sort of consider my own little brother, recently found out his summer sweetheart was fucking a football player behind his back. That got me to thinking, and I thought I'd share those thoughts. It's cool to see they resonated.

[–]ShakaLeonidas 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Women are for the species. They are not for culture, morality or harmony.

Their function is to gestate life and be the rightous agents of chaos.

If they are on the bottom, they will clamor to the top by any monkey branching means aka hypergamy.

If they are on the top they will drag everything to the bottom via Solipsism, Alpha Widow Syndrome(first unrequited lover imprint) Victim mentality, and histrionics.

All this serves as catalysts for constant change and the repelling of stagnacy and complacency. They force evolution in a nutshell. The universe is constant change. Females do not allow homogeneity by hiding behind the guise of homogeneity. Perfect antithesis to the Order that males create.

[–]cesarfd 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Sexual monogamy doesn't work. Being on a LTR without at least a FB is a serious mistake.

[–]Psychocist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Agreed. If we can all just be brutally honest about this when getting into relationships, maybe we would have a healthier structure going on. Almost all LTRs are based on denial. There is no chance I would agree to sexual monogamy, and I wouldn't expect any person, man or woman, to agree to sexual monogamy for the rest of their lives.

However, TRP argues that this enables "open hypergamy", and that it is important to keep their hypergamy in check.

[–]cesarfd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a deliberately forgotten debate and probably the most important.

To keep her hypergamy in check, a man needs options. If your LTR's pussy is the only one in the entire planet Earth you have access to, by definition that's beta and you're go for problems.

People assume a woman would never "accept" this by definition, but they fail to realize that's not true. A woman will "accept" it or not depending on how alpha you are. If you are alpha enough and you own your frame, she'll always prefer to sexually share an alpha than be faithful to a beta as long as you don't screw things up too much.

The problem? You have to be alpha first. Never, ever enter a LTR without at least one or two currently ongoing FBs and do not leave them.

[–]shakespeareSMG 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sasquatch McKraken--what a great handle.

[four laugh emojis go here]

[–]duruga 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women crave biological diversity as much as men.

[–]ForeverMaverick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well if she didn't value your commitment, your sex doesn't have any value either, because she can get that anywhere. By cutting sex you're letting go of what you actually want just to throw a temper tantrum. Don't do that. Children do that, and you're not a child.

For those reasons, it makes absolute sense to demote to plate as long as you can not give two fucks about the woman and be honest with yourself about it - otherwise you're only fooling yourself and it's gonna cost you for a long time in all arenas of your life until you get your shit together again.

If unsure, just ghost. There's half a world of pussy out there.

[–]Shakydrummer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's what I've been saying to my friend who has been stressing over his LTR cheating while she's in school overseas.

If she's going to cheat, she's going to cheat. You simply should just be putting in the effort you want out of it, but also constantly talking and networking with other women. Chances are high she will, so just expand your social circle and meet new people. If something happens, you've got a pool of women to select from. Kind of a no brainer in an relationship situation.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A man should never let his sexually active woman go abroad while maintaining the relationship. That's long distance cucking. Honestly even a virgin can't be trusted because one day she'll lose it and blowjobs/kissing doesn't count. Never get serious with a woman far away.

[–]TRPThrowAway002 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is demoting to plate status a bad thing?

Unless she's genuinely crazy (never stick your dick in crazy anyways), you optimize YOUR sexual strategy (ie. getting laid without commitment) and she loses hers (ie. losing commitment).

If she's slutting around though, it may be worth dropping her just to avoid future STD-related problems.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of this is true. When I was a young guy I was often at the bad end where some older or more well off guy owned my ass. And I figured that women only did that shit when they found a better guy. I won the lottery genetically and grew up more than I could ever have hoped. I found TRP and everything clicked some more.

The reality became that even though I couldn't point out any guy who was marginally better than me. And those who were surely wouldn't give much attention to the normal chicks I was getting on with. But there's always different. And honestly that's all it takes. They will pretend they upgraded even though it's obviously untrue.

Another thing I learned was pretty much along these lines. I used to force blue pill behavior on myself because I thought that's what girls wanted. Then I learned they like the real asshole me and I did that. But where a girl would initially get bored, lose feelz or respect for me. Now they were just giving up. We'd get into fights. They opted for a beta because they thought I wasn't interested and so on.

After all this work I put into myself the only thing I gained was confidence, satisfaction with myself and a superior ability to attract hotter girls. And that's a great thing to have. But apart from that nothing really changed. I suck at relationships just as much as some other guy sucks at contact sports and exercise.

It sucks but that's the reality. Things are far more complex than 1. be attractive 2. be alpha. You can't control people and people nowadays are fucking stupid. That's a horrible position to be in statistically.