40 millions of Americans are in sexless marriages. That's about a third. (self.TheRedPill)

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Legit CNN source.

It's easy to dismiss TRP discussions as incel, angry sexless betas being angry and amplifying minor issues. The reality is that a big chunk of normative, "mature" relationships end the same way.

What begins as a passionate once a day sex, trickles to once a week in year two, to once a month in year five. Chore play is encouraged by marriage blue pill marriage counselors. Women very quickly are aware of sex as a token and are quick to weaponize it to their own benifit, no matter how alpha you are once they set their claws in to you and know that they are the only source.

Your options are: A. beg for sex, resulting in a disgusted woman providing a passionless starfish sex. Total frame collapse. B. Masturbate to increasingly perverted porn, in hiding like some kind of teenager. C. Cheat.

I went through it. You'll go through it. Don't marry. You are a Man, and your sexual needs are healthy, normal and valid. If you provide for your family and don't get sex freely you are in a very bad, unfair and exploitive situation.

[–]workingmanrush 152 points153 points  (47 children)

Married Man Sex Life Primer, read it, before I read it we had sex once a week (which I never thought was enough), now it's 2-3 times a week; when I read the book I couldn't believe what women will do (started me reading red pill stuff), but after I changed my behaviors and worked out a lot everything got better; read that book and apply it, he is right on. The part that really got me was he talks about a wife drip feeding you occasional sex (and occasional hyper sex) just to keep you hooked; he even says in one part, if a woman told you in 10 years you'd only be having sex 5 times a year you'd just laugh and tell her good luck; if there's no sex it's just a financial partnership, keep that in mind

[–][deleted] 109 points110 points  (17 children)

"if there's no sex it's just a financial partnership, keep that in mind" in other words you'll end up as glorified roommates if you stay married long enough.

[–]psychasthenia_will 67 points68 points  (16 children)

Married long enough here, can confirm.

Edit: shittiest roommate I've ever had, btw.

[–]Liesymmetrymanifold 8 points9 points  (14 children)

That last part really gets me. Did you live with her before getting married?

[–]psychasthenia_will 67 points68 points  (13 children)

Sure did. It's kinda like having a roommate who doesn't work, spends the money you make, complains about the money you make, helps to take care of the kids, does some chores, can't shut up most of the time about dumb shit, gets butt-hurt over inconsequential things, is oblivious to any struggles you may have, and is generally uninteresting.

Edit: if you're wondering why I haven't left yet: I'm not going to get divorce-raped and removed from my kids until it's intolerable. Thing is, men can tolerate quite a lot. So...

[–]klgdmfr 12 points13 points  (11 children)

...annnnnd!!! you can maybe turn things around? I know, I know... but... maybe? A little dread game maybe?

[–]psychasthenia_will 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Thanks for the encouraging words! Meh, I'm in a pretty good place with it most of the time. I've done plenty of dread game shenanigans with mixed results in the past. Now, I realize that you can only really commit to the work of the dread game if you are motivated to correct the relationship. I'm not, so I play the hunting and fishing with my friends dread game. It doesn't work on her but I like it better.

[–]Kingofdeadbedroom 8 points9 points  (9 children)

That is a terribly defeatist attitude. The MRP approach and attitude resolved my dead bedroom. My wife now fully engages in passionate sex. I did however engage in full marriage outcome independence. This attitude was fully battle-hardened when during discussions where she tried to manipulate me and shame me with "You only think about sex", "you don't have my father's balls", and "stop trying to be someone you're not".

My thoughts went along the lines of "Thank you very much. I was someone with little sex, and I will no longer be that person. It happened out of my respect for marriage vows, and my love and respect for you. I accept your challenge to DNGAF. I will be relentlessly sexual with you, and if you do not quickly come up to speed with plenty of passionate sex, then I will nevertheless find it elsewhere, and if necessary dissolve the marriage". From that point onwards I had a cast iron frame. Within a few weeks she had felt it and flipped into no holds barred sex kitten mode.

[–]psychasthenia_will 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Good for you, buddy. I'm glad you became king of the dead bedroom.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Are you still attracted to your wife?

[–]LawyerInTheMaking 87 points88 points  (7 children)

It's really amusing how much power you can take away from a woman when you devalue the sex you have with her. If she uses sex to control you, say no or not care. It's like a shock to their entire system.

[–]TheReformist94 26 points27 points  (6 children)

If she uses sex to control you,you fuck someone else as she isn't upholding her end of the deal.

[–]LawyerInTheMaking 27 points28 points  (4 children)

i simply let the girl know that sex with me is proportional to my commitment to you. if i get to enjoy my sex then you get to enjoy my commitment. however if you stop fucking me or play games, then i stop committing to you. If i cant have sex as easily as the guy who you regrettably had sex with on spring break after a few jello shots, then i have no interest in working for the pussy. simple as that.

[–]TheReformist94 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You can straight talk them all you want,she can cheat behind your back pretending to follow your rules.

You own the cards,they own the deck.good luck

[–]LawyerInTheMaking 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not my pussy, it's just my turn. Sex is entertainment and outside of that, pussy has no value or power over me. If she did cheat and I found out then I'd quietly demote her to plate status as long as possible and find someone new while she's a plate. And if she did find out I was cheating I'd just say shit that women say to justify their cheating and watch the hamster spin. Now that would be amusing lol.

[–]Elodrian 10 points11 points  (8 children)

if there's no sex it's just a financial partnership

Are you an advocate of the childfree marriage or do the needs of children factor into the relationship?

[–]UltraCarnivore 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Divorced under many of OP's circumstances chiming in.

My kid is better, much much better now after the divorce than inside the marriage. I've heard this story before more than once; thus, my current opinion is that if a child should impact the decision to divorce, it should be to hasten it.

Spez: swypo

[–]RedPillHanSolo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My kid is better, much much better now after the divorce than inside the marriage

This is what feminism tries to hide. The "you should suffer for your kids" is 100% fem-centric bullshit and male hamster feeds off it. Yes, it is difficult, especially if you though with your dick when you wifed a BPD broad, but it's doable and less less miserable for you and your kids.

[–]UltraCarnivore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right. Back then I had to bit the bullet. My ex still tried to play the victim card, as if I left both her and my son; later, however, she gave up and, in order to fully enjoy her pre-wall-high-speed-CC, left the baby with me at least half of the time.

Of course I still pay child support, even if the boy lives half of the time with me; but it's a very good life right now.

[–]1greymonk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I love my kids, but in today's culture, it feels like they're screwed either way. I get more time with them by staying. Plus, my wife makes twice as much as I do. In Indiana, no way I'm seeing any of that in divorce court. I'm going to stick around, avoid her as much as possible, and enjoy her money for the next 10 years or so. After that, it's just me and a dog and the kids when they want to visit. I know how to live on a low income.

[–]workingmanrush 4 points5 points  (3 children)

The kids'll figure out the marriage sucks by the time they hit their 20s, I say do all you can to fix the marriage so the kids have a good marriage to reference to

[–]p3n1x 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You kind of contradicted yourself. Where is the line drawn on "do all you can"? Too subjective.

Staying in a shitty, toxic relationship "for the kids" is doing nothing but teaching your children to do the same thing.

[–]workingmanrush 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right, I guess it's do all you can do until you realize there's nothing more to do, or where you hit the point where enough is enough, and yes, the kids will figure out if the marriage is toxic

[–]dnomad123 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What are some of the big lessons you learned

[–]workingmanrush 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Keep your frame, take the high road, keep trying; do your best to be the best option for your partner, you're invested in them but they're invested in you too; nothing is perfect but I think marriage is awesome, but it's no different than dating (been a long time, a good marriage is probably easier); mix alpha and beta

[–]grewapair 111 points112 points  (14 children)

I was engaged to be married. She was the first real long term gf I had. After many years, she wanted it and I just figured A) I should because "it's what people do" and B) I didn't want to give up the regular sex that always took a lot of effort before her. She finally told me to propose or she'd leave, and I proposed. We set a date in 9 months.

She slowly started changing, becoming more of a controlling bitch and losing her frugality. Suddenly, nothing was good enough, or I should say, expensive enough, for her tastes. She was basically laying down the law of how things would be and they were going to be completely different from the way we were before. If I didn't like her spending habits, I could just work longer.

Her friends started in on me, telling me we had been living too frugally. Her mom started in on me, telling me that "modern men" now did half the housework, even if the mom was not working.

Fortunately, my needs did not move to second place behind hers. No, that would be too good for me. My needs simply became irrelevant. SHE would tell me what I wanted. It was as if the world just became this giant manipulation factory for me to work more and expect less.

So I GrewAPair and bailed, ten days before the wedding. The pretend love then evaporated and she backed a truck up and took everything while I was at work. I considered myself lucky to have gotten off that easy.

My fears were ungrounded, I had a new GF who tried to start sleeping with me more than I was asking for before the ex had even moved out.

I've started several successful small businesses that are entirely mine, and I don't have to share half with someone who didn't build them. Marriage usually means giving 60% of your stuff to the person you hate most in the world.

When they pressure you, and they all do, hold on as long as you can and then bail. Her friends and family will shame you, but, no one else will care. She threatened to tell my employer so I just told them in advance and a number of men in senior positions told me they had done the same thing. It's so common to bail that the White House will send congratulatory letters for anniversaries, births, etc. upon request, but they have two categories they refuse to do until AFTER the event, and that's births and weddings, because so many of them never happen.

Now with more than 10 years behind it, it was one of the 5 smartest things I ever did. Do Not Get Married.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (2 children)

"It's what people do" is the #1 reason so many people are sheep and blindly follow the herd. Their lives usually go something like this: finish high school-->go to college-->start a career-->get married-->buy a house-->have kids-->throw in a car purchase here or there-->get divorced-->wonder where it went wrong. People don't think critically for themselves and usually just go from one step to the next doing what everyone else is doing. Western society is full of unhappy sheeple who numb themselves with an endless fucking stream of dopamine.

[–]1ozaku7 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Same with student. I got a degree, I'm entitled to a good high paying job, hurr durr.

[–]harsha_hs 21 points22 points  (4 children)

This is textbook story of most guys in TRP. And congratulations for growing a pair. Its a lot easier now for you

[–]AllahHatesFags 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Sadly, most guys would have married the bitch, gotten divorced-raped and then became Red-Pilled. This guy is smarter than most because he avoided the marriage altogether.

[–]harsha_hs 4 points5 points  (2 children)

She already showed post marriage symptoms before marriage

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I didn't take the left turn at albuquerque and actually got married under equal circumstances as yours. The marriage went down exactly as predicted in this thread. Got a divorce two years in. No big financial damage from it, but three years later I still kick myself in the ass for having been such an idiot.

Life is almost perfect now and I learned my lesson. Never hurts to advice others not to marry, but many will end up learning by their own mistakes.

[–]1ozaku7 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Her friends started in on me, telling me we had been living too frugally. Her mom started in on me, telling me that "modern men" now did half the housework, even if the mom was not working.

Haha, I can relate to this, even though I'm not married.

When they pressure you, and they all do, hold on as long as you can and then bail. Her friends and family will shame you, but, no one else will care.

This. Why would you even care about their shaming? They care about her, not you. Noone will agree with you, that will kill their relationship with her. There was another guy who dumped his GF when she was turning 30 after 8 years of being together. He got shamed, and her mother spewed some RP knowledge right in his face, that she lost her youth and she will have it much harder to find a quality man. They know what they are doing.

Any idea what happened to the ex?

[–]1OneRedSock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A) I should because "it's what people do"

Been there, dodged that. Luckily, I didn't throw down money for any engagement ring.

I did notice the main tool she utilized was shaming: any time a Facebook friend got proposed to or married she would start in on me. It was a constant point of contention, that turned into a guaranteed fight. Being a BP bitch, I dreaded seeing yet another friend post that they were engaged because I knew the shitstorm was a-coming.

Finally, we broke up but I didn't tell anyone. Within the first week a friend off-handedly said "you seem happier". Sometimes you can't help but look at your BP friends with pity, as that life was truly a form of hell.

What a burden to be free from.

[–]Compeliminator 118 points119 points  (39 children)

I just got divorced earlier this year. I worked out of town a lot and my wife basically stopped having sex with me so I started seeing other women. she knew I was doing it because i told her. after years of divorce threats and horrible behavior i was done. i basically told her I was tired of no sex and the ball was in her court. i was with her for over 20 years and i could write a book about all the crazy shit she had done. she had manic depression and i struggled with getting her the right medication and help. i would come home to a house that was painted 9 different colors with a yard that looked like a mine field. the worst part was her violent mood swings. i stayed as long as i could so she would have insurance and to save her from herself. as bad as she was i still regret seeing other women before the divorce was final .

[–][deleted] 121 points122 points  (33 children)

You're what society would consider a "good husband" because you stuck around and supported your wife even when she was fucking nuts. Women routinely leave their husbands for much less than what you put up with, but we men value loyalty and I can't say for certain that I wouldn't have done the same thing in your place. I don't know you, but from one man to another I am sorry it ended in divorce. Sucks, but there's no glory in doing the right thing. At least now you're free.

[–]LexaBinsr 36 points37 points  (29 children)

I am sorry it ended in divorce.

I'm not. Why are you sorry? What.

no sex

she had manic depression

house that was painted 9 different colors

a yard that looked like a mine field

the worst part was her violent mood swings

Divorce practically saved him from imminent suicide or a life of pain. You should only be sorry if it ended in a divorce if the marriage was good to begin with.

Fuck those kinda women. Kick them out on the street and let them be someone else's problem. If you are a man; don't put up with it. Get them out of your life as soon as possible because they WILL break you.. it's just a matter of time.

as bad as she was i still regret seeing other women

I wouldn't. Screw that crazy bitch. I'd fuck those sluts with zero regret.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (7 children)

Mental disease is a real thing dude. Some people are legitimately fucked up and need help.

[–]rossiFan 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Yep, mental illness is a real thing. And help can be gotten. Not my problem and not my obligation to be in the path of destruction. A pilot doesn't ride a burning fighter to the ground. He gets the fuck out.

[–]LexaBinsr 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I really don't care. I would not marry someone with mental issues like that and people that want to be Captain Saveacrazy should know that their lives are about to be fucked up because they'll get dragged along and turn out broken and destroyed.

This is my personal preference. People can do what they want. But when you're on the brink of depression because your life is destroyed by a crazy bitch; I told you so. If people are fucked up and need help, they need to get into a mental institution; not a marriage institution.

Why would you live your life with a woman riddled with mental health fuck ups when you can get a perfectly healthy one? I mean, the mental issues can vary and no woman/person is perfect.. and I can deal with some issues that doesn't affect property or people like depression or anxiety or panic attacks or OCD but manic depression with violent moodswings and ruining your house and yard? Try that with me and you're OUT. Why is my comment such a taboo?

Disclaimer: I would link to the post but the automod instaremoved it so I will just show you two important comments. If you want to find the full post, copypaste one of the comments into Google.

/u/theredpillager comment.

I dated a bi polar chick on and off for a couple of years. In that time, I had to call the cops three times on her (you know, because society says I can't defend myself against her; it would just look like I beat the piss out of her to the law). Actually, the last of those three, a friend was present and HE called them. Each time, I was put out of the house, not her. As this taught me not to trust the police for domestic issues, I ultimately ended up with a BS charge when she called the cops after one of her blow-ups. The charge is expunged now, but the arrest record isn't. Best sex I've ever had and 100% not worth it. I'd rather fuck a land whale than go through any of that shit again.

Do not date crazies.

As well as /u/variableLt and his friend.

Can confirm that. One guy that I know, spent 10+ years trying to get a functioning relationship with love of his life that was having a clinically confirmed mental issues. In the end she ended her life on her own, and that almost pulled him on the same path as well.

[–]GlutenFreeVegan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the only reasonable answer here

[–]waste2muchtime 14 points15 points  (18 children)

Don't lose your empathy man, she's mentally ill. It's good he divorced, but it's not like she's some evil maniac. She needs help, that's all. Lmao, you're acting like she's the scum of the earth.

[–]LexaBinsr 5 points6 points  (16 children)

Don't lose your empathy man

I have no empathy for manic degenerates that ruin other people's lives. If you deal with a mental health issue then deal with it without it affecting others..

His biggest mistake was that he was with her for 20 years. I'd leave as soon as possible. Hell, I wouldn't even marry her to begin with. You veto your potential wives; always.

[–]saulisdating 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Okay, let's say you marry an awesome woman, everything's great - the sex life, her personality, etc... and after 4-5 years of a perfect marriage, she suddenly becomes mentally ill after some strong trigger or trauma... You then dump her instantly and have zero regrets?

Not all mental disorders and diseases manifest themselves BEFORE a marriage. It's easy to say something about others when you're not in that situation yourself and have no attachment to the person.

Hence you have no empathy at all, not just for degenerates.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will never bear the burden of mental illness that is derogatory towards me. Deal with it on your own. Peace out.

[–]1ozaku7 4 points5 points  (1 child)

To me it sounds like withdrawal symptoms. She doesn't get the feels she used to get on which she is so dependant. A woman will go totally crazy when she doesn't get the tingly feelz drug it seems.

Has there ever been research on this? I mean come on, painting your house like 9 colors has to imply that you are looking for some satisfaction and happiness from seeing your house in a certain color.

Much like women used to be treated with a vibrator for hysteria, maybe we should just start doping up women with happypills to keep them sane.

[–]poclitically_corekt 1 points1 points [recovered]

That's a tough one man. The fact that you mentioned feeling bad for cheating even after everything was trashed shows that it's more complex than TRP tries to let on.

[–]dragonhunter031 4 points5 points  (0 children)

that was deep, could there be something else??

[–]1ozaku7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can understand where he is coming from with the regret. I had moments where I regretted it too, but that's only 2% of the time. 98% I'm happy I did it and still feel no regrets going for more. If you don't feed your dog properly, it will leave you for a master that does if it could. Don't be the starving dog with ticks all over his eye just because he sticks with his "only option" through the "bindning agreement" of a ring on a finger.

[–]OGlancellannister 44 points45 points  (41 children)

I always wonder why men even want to get married. Seriously, why? It's clear there's no benefit to the male; in fact it's a severe economic burden (cost of wedding and such plus the risk of losing your assets ). Not to mention the fact that women work to obtain commitment and men work to obtain sex. Marriage grants the woman commitment but it sure doesn't grant the man sex. Any man who wants marriage has simply seen too many rom coms or is idealizing the lives of his parents/grandparents. The truth is there is no reason to marry anymore aside from the benefit it brings to child rearing.

[–]ChadThundercockII 29 points30 points  (24 children)

For me, it is the kids. I work very hard to have enough money for my future brats, I want to die surrounded by my boys and wishfully their boys too. I will do everything to get a woman that will take care of my investment. Fuck romance, if she wants in on my projects, so be it. But I will never compromise my life choices and plans for nothing but glorious success.

[–]xytrooo 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I want to die surrounded by my boys

how old are you? are you romancing ideas from 20th century culture by chance? what do you imagine life will be like when you are retiring?

did you at least have the energy to interview the elderly on how their life turned out to be with a big enough sample size before you commit even more energy to the idea?

[–]ChadThundercockII 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I dont need to do that. These ideas I am romancing are instinctual gut feelings that I cant shake off.

[–]tteabag2591 2 points3 points  (9 children)

I'm still unsure if the legal part is worth it though. Say you found a woman that would be a good mother and stick around even with no legal marriage contract. Would you still want to get married? Or are you rationalizing the decision to do so after the fact because now she'd leave if she didn't have you by a contract? Honestly curious. Not trying to be a dick or anything. I'm in a similar situation.

[–]OGlancellannister 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yep I feel that. Kids would be the only reason I'd consider it. Too young to worry about that anyways though thankfully. I've watched some friends rush into marriage and all I can do is shake my head and wonder why in the world.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Beta guys like to get married because sex was hard work before, having to seduce women in clubs / bars etc, and so they take the lazy option and get guaranteed sex via marriage (or so they think).

Often when you ask these guys how they feel in their marriage, if they're unhappy about the sex situation they'll talk in a way that sounds as if they deserve sex for doing X or Y. They don't understand that nobody owes you sex and if you want it you have to go out and find it.

[–]askmrcia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

On paper marriage sounds nice. You have a loving wife who gives you great sex and will be A great mother.

She will also support you and help you with anything you need.

You'll also have great kids and you'll have a family of your own. When thinking about it, this does sound like a good life.

However we know that most times it does not play out like this. And when I say we I mean most of us guys here on this sub. There are a shit ton of guys out there who has no idea that women will change once the marriage happens. Divorce isn't even in their vocabulary. I didn't know what I a prenuptial was until I was 23 and that's only because I found this sub.

Knowing all what we know now, yes there is no reason for us to get married.

[–]Nicolay77 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The equivalent of a man proposing money to a woman is a woman proposing frequent sex without compromise to a man.

So, unless a woman proposed that, or is willing to, marriage is always a losing proposition.

[–]Remix73 1 points1 points [recovered]

Really? I have just as much reason to hate women. My wife took everything and turned my kids against me. I'm literally starting again with nothing. However, I have a beautiful selfless girlfriend who genuinely loves me and puts me first. I'm absolutely going to marry her, because I want to provide for her and care for her for the rest of her life. She recently had a health scare and I was faced with the prospect of very limited sex with her for the foreseeable future. I'd still marry her.

[–]OGlancellannister 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have no hatred of women haha. Nor even of longstanding relationships with them. I guess I'm wondering why any guy would want marriage specifically. Sure, if your relationship is going well I bet you plan to stay with that girl for a while. I get that — don't fix it if it's not broken. But why make a legally binding commitment is my question. It has to be from some outdated, romanticized notion of love and marriage. With kids out of the equation, there are simply no other positives for getting married other than the "Because I want to," argument which is fine of course, people can do what they want.

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (2 children)

Legit CNN source.

this is divorce lawyer marketing spam on ireport. ireport is CNN's UGC section... anyone can post anything there.

[–]menial_optimist 48 points49 points  (6 children)

Confirmed. Buddy of mine is in year 3 of marriage and "bangs once in awhile" (aka once a week at most). Whats crazy is the entire 2 years they dated she abstained from sex to "save herself" despite living her adolescent life up to age 23 being pumped by alphas at parties and hard drug dealer boyfriends who treated her like trash.

She's also gained at least 60-80lbs since they started dating. She used to be a solid 7. I guess when she knows she's got my buddy locked in now her incentive to look good or be in shape at all is virtually zero.

[–]prozium_popper 19 points20 points  (5 children)

Whats crazy is the entire 2 years they dated she abstained from sex to "save herself" despite living her adolescent life up to age 23 being pumped by alphas at parties and hard drug dealer boyfriends who treated her like trash.

Why on earth did he marry her?

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Low self-esteem, probably. Thinks he can't do better, which is sad.

[–]menial_optimist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

He made his own decisions. He accepted her past. He accepted she found god to stop living the cokehead/party girl life and wanted to remain pure until marriage. He probably wanted to fuck her badly, and since she was pressuring for marriage he figured if he went ahead with it at least he'll get laid regularly and it will be the same. Accept for the 1-year-into-marriage accidental pregnancy. Oh yeah confirmed no birth control pills or condoms used for the entirety of their sexual life. She's also the kind of girl who "loves drinking" and when self-pumped with enough of them will proceed to fuck the nearest hottest guy. She's all faithful goodgirl innocent wife while sober. She's the type of cringe-drama queen that will skirt the edge of plausible deniability while subtly steering things toward sexual or dramatic nature (flirting without fucking). E.g. before whilst alone with her she's asked me: "So menial_optimist, is there anything you've ever wanted to ask me?". Her nature constantly seeds sexual validation and energy. She recently had a female neighbor confess to her that she finds her attractive and wants to have lesbian sex with her. Her response "But I'm married" which isn't exactly a denial versus a plain no. She then thought it was appropriate to continue hanging out with this neighbor and even inviting her for drinks as well.

She has a lot of daddy issues and was possibly molested which would explain a lot. What I feel most for her is pity. My captain-save-a-hoe senses go into overdrive when I'm around her. Sad really.

He made his own decisions. They just turned out to be bad lmao.

[–]newName543456 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because "past doesn't matter, you sexist, woman-hating pig!!!111!!!1111!!!!11!!!!1"


[–]p3n1x 122 points123 points  (42 children)

Marriage is out dated, like most doctrines that societies still show blind loyalty to. Marriage in no way benefits the male. Yes, court systems are starting to show a big change compared to the last 20 years. But, why go through the shit in the first place? Do you really want that T-shirt?

[–]aanarchist 55 points56 points  (24 children)

a woman has to fulfill her half of the contract if the man does with his, otherwise the relationship is toxic and imbalanced.

[–]ObservantOmega 81 points82 points  (3 children)

And who's going to force them to do their part? Because right now women have all the rights in a marriage and no duties. Our gynocratic society has seen to that.

Marriage is like playing three card monte. You're a moron if you even consider playing.

[–]aanarchist 22 points23 points  (0 children)

that's why marriage is out of the question.

[–]harsha_hs 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Marriage is like playing three card monte. You're a moron if you even consider playing

Can't get better analogy than this

[–]PS2Errol 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The house always wins. And we know who the house is in this scenario!

[–]1ozaku7 5 points6 points  (17 children)

I know a guy in higher management that has written in his wedding contract that if his wife gets over a certain fat percentage and BMI, the contract is void and she's on the streets and powerless in court.

Needless to say, she's doing lots of fitness and recently got a pair of new tits as big as melons.

[–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (3 children)

i'm not really into fake tits but good on him for having the balls to get that shit in writing. not sure if it'll hold up in court though since she can always play the victim card.

[–]1ozaku7 1 point2 points  (2 children)

She can do all she wants, but it's in the prenup, she agreed to it, and she has to stick with it legally. Besides, the man is making tons of money. She's probably now just fucking him hard with her melons sticked in his face to get that expensive Gucci bag from Brussel.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

How is this even remotely feasible/enforceable? I would really like to think it is true, because that's pretty ninja on his part.

[–]xytrooo 0 points1 point  (6 children)

what good is optimal body composition on an aging woman? might invent a contract for 18 years to raise kids.

I get to fuck you because its on contract

how fun is that?

[–]Elodrian 51 points52 points  (9 children)

The principle purpose of marriage was never to benefit the husband (though husbands and fathers used to be higher status men) or to benefit the wife (though it did ensure she would be cared for in her later years). The principle purpose of marriage, the reason it was enshrined as a social technology, was to provide the optimal environment in which to raise children. Children are the beneficiaries of marriage, not husbands or wives.

[–]rearden-steel 19 points20 points  (2 children)

True dat. Many of the problems we're seeing today is due to kids being raised by one parent. Plus, who wants to be 75 years old, staring death in the face, and no legacy to look back on, no grand kids to spoil, no one around to give a fuck once you die? Will looking back at all the sex you had (back when your dick worked) make up for that?

[–]red-arctic-tern 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Wifes benefited because the husband provided.

[–]Elodrian 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Benefits did accrue to both the husband and wife, bit that's not the reason the institution exists. The reason society encouraged marriage was because it was the vehicle through which the next generation of citizens were produced and trained.

[–]numandina 27 points28 points  (3 children)

A married couple is the best environment for raising children.

[–]CaptZ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

A happily married couple with a healthy sex life is the best environment for raising children.

Unhappy couple raising children is not a healthy environment for children. Which is the majority of marriages I see.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Marriage is out dated

Well, no. Actually, we are reverting to what we had before civilization. This isn't even tribal. This is rut and fuck whatever suits the moment.

Enjoy the decline.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 20 points21 points  (5 children)

And about 20 million of those 40 and being dicked down on the low by the same 2 million guys. That's some statistics for your ass. If she doesn't fuck you like she's trying to make sure you don't stray, then it's not love.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 7 points8 points  (4 children)

And another 40 million just stare at the ceiling once a week while thinking about what to post on Facebook in the morning.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Once a week?Do you live in some African tribe?More like twice a day.

[–]Zweihander747 18 points19 points  (2 children)

I feel sorry for you mfs in countries where prostitution is illegal.

When you learn all you need to be balls deep in 8/10 is a phone and $80, it really changes your whole perspective on sex and women. Like looks mean very little to me now bc looks are very cheap to acquire, A1 personality tho, that shit is hard to come by.

Thats why 6 yrs into my LTR my gf still craves my dick. Bc sex is the only power she has, but since I'm always just one phone call away from being balls deep in a bitch, no woman can use sex to control me

[–]dandons 1 points1 points [recovered]

What country? Gonna guess Germany based on your name.

[–]drqxx 41 points42 points  (4 children)


Tell her on the 3rd or 4th date. Field Report: I've been with the same ltr for 5.5 years. I told her the night of our third date. Almost verbatim I said " I will never get marrier again, my first marriage cost me $$$. Therefore I will never get married again. I don't want to be dishonest with you. If this upsets you we can have dinner tonight and part as friends. But just so you know I will never say I DO BECAUSE I DON'T! "

Good luck my friends.

[–]LexaBinsr -1 points0 points  (2 children)


Don't do this because it'll make you sound like a whiny insecure bitch.

Especially not on the 3rd/4th date.

I've been with the same ltr for 5.5 years.

You're practically married. Just not legally. And she will bitch at you to marry her one of these days.

[–]drqxx 7 points8 points  (1 child)


If she ever brings it up she knows my response before I say anything.

Also I'm not sure if you know what the word "whiny insecure bitch means" If you like I can expand on what I said, or you can continue the ad hominem attacks.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 12 points13 points  (2 children)

a sexless marriage (having sex less than 10 times a year)

All the guys having duty sex once every two weeks... once every month.... those guys aren't included in the stats. Conversely all the short term relationships and newlyweds ARE included. That's why it's only a third.

Realistically more than half are sexless to a more reasonable definition (sex less than 2x per week). Now discount the short term LTRs and the newlyweds from the stats, and you're looking at the vast majority of LTR's and marriages being sexless after 5 years.

Everyone here says this stuff. We know how it works. We know what happens. We've seen it play out countless times. Guys.... pay heed. She isn't a highly sexed unicorn, you're high on your own brain chemicals and so is she. Don't expect the honeymoon period to last.

Women very quickly are aware of sex as a token and are quick to weaponize it to their own benifit, no matter how alpha you are once they set their claws in to you and know that they are the only source.

Exactly. And this weaponisation is partly (but not totally) logical, it's how she FEELS. You have limited options, therefore she FEELS that her sex has massive value to you, therefore she FEELS unattracted, and FEELS you should do more housework after you risk your life in your dangerous job all week.

Think the sight of you on your hands and knees scrubbing the floor is gonna excite her?

Then you hear "it's normal for wives not to fuck their husbands" and this is mostly true. You'll hear shaming language "I'm not your whore!" because that's how she feels - like a whore (and not in a good way) .... because having negotiated-sex with a man she is no longer scared of losing isn't fun. He's not attractive. He's doing-things-to-get-sex (or worse: approval), and so when he complies she's doing sex-for-favours. Not sexy.

But she doesn't understand this dynamic (determinedly so). It makes her look bad, so she won't admit any of this to herself or anyone else. Instead she blames the man, and demands he makes her feel attractive as a condition of sex. A billion flowers and a trillion words won't work nearly as well as a little dread game...

So this is what you get in a LTR after a few years...... What... did you expect gratitude for your giving up your dreams, making your marriage vows, lifelong commitment, and grinding away for decades to support your family?

The only thing you're buying with a marriage is your own enslavement and obligation. Societally enforced. You think your friends will be happy with you when they hear you left her "just because of a silly little thing like sex"? They aren't going to back you up in case their wives disapprove and they lose their monthly duty-sex.

I went through it. You'll go through it.

I spotted this happening in my exclusive LTRs too. 2-3 years in, the passion fades and the demands start to increase at the same time. Usually she puts on weight too. The deal goes from "sort of ok" at the start to "fucking terrible" at the end.

If you provide for your family and don't get sex freely you are in a very bad, unfair and exploitive situation.

Yes, and noone cares. The law says she doesn't have to have sex with you...... but she can demand money and commitment..... and ultimately if she leaves, you'll be paying alimony and child support and not even getting duty sex. Although ironically you'll probably have more sex with your wife if you DO get a divorce, and certainly more sex with other women.

And let's not forget this study also applies to LTR's, not just marriages.

I looked around at all the marriages I knew... the only "successful" ones involved devoted men with moderately unattractive women. The rest are a fucking shitstorm of misery. None of them are even close to what I'd want.... and now I know why: women are simply not suitable for LTR's. It's not in their nature for them to work.

Why the fuck men continue to be faithful when their partners have sexually checked out is beyond me. But at least studies like this show you what you're in for if you do decide to commit to a woman.

[–]cellphon[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Top notch comment, as per usual, Matty.

[–]harden26 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I come from a Muslim background, I don't practice it but now I realize they are the most red pill Alphas ever. The American – Christian marriage is the most blue pill beta shit I've ever seen. In Islam, the woman must take care of her man and his sexual needs. If she cannot fulfill those needs then he has the right to request another wife. Think about that. Women cannot use sex to gain the power in the relationship. It's like oh honey, you don't want to have sex, that's fine I'll just get another wife, I mean, what's the point of me taking care of you and paying for everything if you don't want to have sex with me anymore. In America that's cheating, and would just speed up the inevitable divorce, unless the man cheats secretively. I believe during this process the woman is also cheating either at work or at home while she is cooking for her man at work. They desire it too.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

i dislike muslims and want them out of europe. but i always tell my white supremacist and hitler loving friends that muslims got it right on women. and they always agree. they need to be put in their places and controlled.

[–]weeaboowehrbroo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How are those people by the way?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not Muslim, but honestly, almost all of the Quran's edicts on spousal relations make sense.

American-Christian marriage is so beta it's disgusting. Can't believe I even bought into it when younger.

[–]1ozaku7 10 points11 points  (0 children)

And this is why I am able to understand people who cheat. Society portrays cheaters as assholes and incels, but noone really asks the question why they fucked other women.

No matter how loyal your dog is. So often have I read that a dog's love is unconditional, and this is total bullcrap. As soon as you stop feeding it properly and someone else does, he would give you the big middle finger if he could and live in his new masters place if the master allowed him and there was no legal objection to that.

If they can't fuck their own wife, they will look for someone that wants to get laid. If you get laid with other women, there is something wrong with your wife. If you can't get another woman into your bed, there is something wrong with you.

[–]cino03 16 points17 points  (2 children)

And thats why prostitution, strip clubs and escorts services are killing.

[–]AllahHatesFags 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When have they NOT been killing?

[–]basebool 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have told my gf that legal marriage is never going to happen with me. We can have a party, cheap rings, everyone us calling us husband and wife, but in the eyes of the law, we are just boyfriend/girlfriend.

Fuck that shit I've heard and seen way too much and no way my power to walk is going to be stripped. That's just asking for disaster.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (23 children)

You forgot to add option D. Go to Married Red Pill and learn how to be a man within marriage. Maybe the consequence of reclaiming yourself will be increased frequency and quality of sex. Option E. Get a divorce. If you are not getting value and what you want out of her, then it is time to move-on.

[–]harsha_hs 25 points26 points  (7 children)

Bro, do you even marry? Marriage is lost game in today's society. I went through it, you will go through it, it's super fucked up that no amount of counselling from MRP will fix you up.

I like people who never married giving advise about marriage

[–]The_Adm0n 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Don't sell yourself short. You're just as capable of "training" her as she is of "training" you. Marriage is not necessarily a lost game. Many women, however, are.

Think of your woman like a stray dog (it's a harsh analogy). If you're the right kind of leader in the relationship, you can break her of her bad habits, instill loyalty, develop an eagerness to please, and create a loving supportive relationship. But you have to maintain your frame. The minute your leadership weakens, she'll try to get away with something.

Good marriages don't just happen, and being unwilling to work to create one is why so many men end up in chains. You have to train your woman. Just like any other success in life, it takes time and work.

Source: Married 10 years. NOT miserable.

[–]harsha_hs 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Well, not every part of matrimonial success is your 'hard work', there is significant part of luck too. Many people have put in a lot of effort too, trying to be as 'alpha' as possible and still ended up paying half of their money. Your comment is misleading to many men who think 'I am different(tm)' and they will handle their wife in true manly way and put in lot of hardwork and so on. But unfortunately hypergamy takes over. And if it turns sour, its not just 'well, its ok it didn't work out' but losing half of your hard earned money.

[–]mushroom_overlord 19 points20 points  (5 children)

You forgot to add option D. Go to Married Red Pill and learn how to be a man within marriage. Maybe the consequence of reclaiming yourself will be increased frequency and quality of sex. Option E. Get a divorce. If you are not getting value and what you want out of her, then it is time to move-on.

The point of marriage hate in TRP is merely to point out that marriage is a flawed and outdated social contract in its current state and to educate men on the possibility of divorce rape and the fact that women will screw you over and never look back. Society is fucked in the context of marriage, "being a man" is now synonymous with abuse.

Now once you're in marriage you have lost. Obviously divorce or rebuilding the marriage through RP is on the table at this point, but that's because you already fucked up. These are both last-ditch options in a failed marriage.

OP suggests that marriage is a poor place if you're looking for consistent sex. At least in an LTR she knows she can lose you if you hold frame. You can play the dread game in a marriage but it is less effective when she gets paid to divorce you and sees you as the beta that gave up your full commitment.

Because of these risks, married red pill is for people already in a marriage, usually with kids. That is, unless you want to start a family, in which case power to you but hold on to your frame like you would nothing else.

[–]Blackbull_ 1 points1 points [recovered]

learn how to be a man within marriage.

Doesn't matter. She'll run to big daddy gov't when she tires of your masculinity and it will void out all your efforts.

Don't marry

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

My reply to OP was merely about sex. Divorce mitigation is another topic.

[–]Blackbull_ 1 points1 points [recovered]

Your reply was about bring a man in marriage which leads to sex if you want to go that route. Don't get it twisted after the fact just because no one's buying your bullshit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Your reply was about bring a man in marriage which leads to sex if you want to go that route" This is correct.

Being the man means to get what you want using RP instead of just passively accepting being forced incel and/or friendzoned in a sexless marriage. Not advocating marriage to you or anyone else, but this topic was about guys that are already married.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

that sub is terrible. there's tons of not-red-pill-at-all shit going on and bad not-red-pill advice being given out... shit that directly violates the TRP sidebar.

[–]PS2Errol 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Option D is pretty risky. Equivalent to playing Russian roulette with a slightly larger magazined gun.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think he's talking to guys who already made the mistake of getting married. In their case, they don't have many better options.

[–]Pope_Lucious 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Option D is delusional within the context of modern marriage laws. "Be the man" all you want- she still has society and the law to enable her divorce-rape of you on her whim. But I'm sure an alpha such as yourself can control women with ease and turn them into thralls for your penis.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LOL! My post was not a pro-marriage post at all and not about divorce impact mitigation strategies. It was simply about sex within marriage. Options A and B are just weak and not very RP. Option C is more RP, but not done out of validation or weakness. TRP readers need to know the full breadth of RP options to make the best of their situation.

[–]tb87670 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Legit CNN source.

Moment you said that you lost me. Remember the last presidential election cycle? They would run with anything that wiffed a tinge of their agenda no matter how bad it actually stunk, fact checking be damned.

Back to topic, marriage is a useless vestigial function in society today. The original laws were fine. Over time lawyers and political activists (feminists and their male sympathizers) began to work around the marriage laws. Now we have a system where marriage is abused, no benefit for the men either way but all the benefits for women even if they break the contract. The laws were danced around, made fun of, and taken advantage of for so long that marriage as an institution is not what it used to be. It's a farce. It's a parody of the original intent. It's been legally neutered thanks to feminism getting it's way. Luckily it's still optional so best to avoid.

[–]n8dawwg 21 points22 points  (16 children)

There is not a woman on the planet that will not get bored of you after a few years. You can be Chad, Alpha, or whatever the fuck, but you are still a the same guy that she has already slept with hundreds of times. Furthermore, she honestly might not even want to sleep with another person, but the thought of going through the motions with you is nauseating. You can't change that. Don't try. 34 year old male that no longer wants to have sex with someone who shows no interest in sex with me, so i guess I'm done with sex forever now with my spouse. It's ok though, I can accept it. If you can't accept this happening to you, DO NOT FUCKING GET MARRIED.

[–]real-boethius 8 points9 points  (12 children)

This is not true. As long as you keep them in a state of uncertainty and doubt, this does not happen. You must be sure they cannot predict what you will do. And make sure they know you can and will walk if needed.

[–]DeepRedTomato 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Right, but in a marriage where they can take half your shit it won't be easy to walk and that's the problem.

[–]n8dawwg 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This. You can do the uncertainty and doubt game with plates, but its a different game ounce you tie the noose, i mean knot.

[–]real-boethius 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think you are failing to make a distinction between perception and reality.

The reality may be that the woman can move out and take half your stuff, and more.

But depending on how you play it, the psychological reality can be a completely different thing.

Other than the years when you have dependent children, losing a wife and half your stuff is not actually that big a threat. And as women get older their market value declines. A high fraction of divorced women never marry again. A few subtle reminders about "cat ladies we know" can work wonders.

No matter how much money she has, a women with no man is low status among her peer group i.e. women.

I am not suggesting marriage is a great idea. I would not marry again in the current climate. But it is not at all a lost cause.

[–]DeepRedTomato 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is absolutely a lost cause for men, we lose out on value we built. Why even take the risk to begin with?

Whatever low value shit she does with her life still matters if it's with your hard earned money.

[–]Parusa 4 points5 points  (3 children)

If you're okay with being a psychopath and playing manipulation games with your partner that is. Who the hell wants a relationship like that for the rest of their lives?

[–]real-boethius 0 points1 point  (2 children)

playing manipulation games

Your reply just reflects the thinking of someone who doesn't want to live in the real world.

It is not psychopathic to:

  1. Keep your partner wondering what you might do next. This is exciting for women. They like it.

  2. Make sure the other person knows you have options and can walk if you need to.

[–]Zweihander747 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yh but do you really want to spend rest of your life playing games?

Thanks to this forum I am RP af and my LTR worships me, but I am so jaded and so tired of having to constantly be on guard.

You really cant be on gaurd for rest of your life, sometimes you're just gonna be like "fuck it" and be yourself, and that may mean being a little BP at times

[–]Parusa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Call it what you will. It boggles my mind that people read this stuff and go "yeah, this is what I'm going to do for the rest of my life!"

[–]perfectcell- 5 points6 points  (2 children)

men get bored of their women too....

[–]jpowell180 13 points14 points  (6 children)

My brother provided for his family as the sole breadwinner; his wife was belligerent for years - in front of our mother and myself, berating him, badmouthing him, etc.

One day she invites her old high school friend to move into their basement; the woman is not at all attractive, but one day my SIL catches them in the act; it has possibly been years since SIL have given any to my brother (although she herself is obese and he may have lost interest).

I know that my brother had to take care of things...er...manually. Once he accidentally left some lube in the bathroom, and their daughter asked what it was; SIL made daddy explain to his (13-14 y/o?) daughter what it was for.....

Now SIL, who has for many years been a screaming shrew, is in a position where she will likely think she holds the moral high ground in all things, and will berate him even worse - probably forever.

She cost him his job as she would complain to his work about his schedule (she needed him home to do chores); now they are both unemployed and may lose their house, with three kids to feed.

[–]DavidoftheWhey 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Are you serious man, goodness?

[–]Docbear64 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I don't mean it as a personal attack on your brother but this is a classic case of how weak men with no backbone are absolutely the worst cornerstones to be the foundation for a family. How you could allow a woman (wife or not) to dictate your schedule and ruin a job which is the source of how you provide for yourself, her, and your children is beyond me.

[–]jpowell180 1 point2 points  (2 children)

We are children of divorce; he did not want his kids to go through what we went through. We had to move from our hometown because our Dad had to sell the house and pay the equity to our Mom, whom he owed back child support to; he got in that hole when she left us to live with her cousin (it was too difficult for her to take care of us boys by herself). He naively thought he didn't have to pay her CS as he was then taking care of us, but the law said otherwise :( . She had custody in late September, left in late October, but it wasn't until that upcoming summer that we signed affidavits giving him official custody; instead of waiving all that back CS, our Mom undoubtedly listened to her "swinging single" 3x divorced cousin, and demanded the back CS. Cost me my Senior Year with my class at High School :(

[–]Docbear64 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Damn man that's rough and even more shocking honestly. I am shocked your brother decided to have kids at all after observing how malicious and essentially abusive your mom was. She was ok with not just screwing your dad over but screwing him over while he took care of you guys and essentially worsened your quality of life.

[–]jpowell180 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I remember an embarrassing afternoon, when I came home after school to no power; I thought there was an outage, but checked with a neighbor, who smiled and told me that his power was working fine (I got the impression that he found it amusing that our power was shut off). I listened to my little brother's Walkman while playing his green Mattell Electronic Football handheld game as the sun went down....(I had a TV in my room, but with no power, well....)

[–]Future_Alpha 4 points5 points  (2 children)

A. beg for sex, resulting in a disgusted woman providing a passionless starfish sex. Total frame collapse. B. Masturbate to increasingly perverted porn, in hiding like some kind of teenager. C. Cheat.

Or A) you can tell her that sex in a relationship is important for you and if you can't get it with her, then you will find it elsewhere. Don't do it as an ultimatum or to 'dread game'. Just state it as you would a fact - like saying the sun will rise tomorrow B) Masturbate to increasingly perverted porn and be open about it. She catches you. You smile and say the girls in the porn look nice. C) Cheat and be open about it. If she brings up shit, you point out its her fault she caused the relationship to go on the rocks. Use women's logic against women. Fight fire with fire.

[–]Barvazon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You mean, get divorce raped?

[–]Future_Alpha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Either way, its gonna happen. You might as well die standing than live on your knees.

To prevent that, don't get married.

[–]NMF_ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I recently broke up with my LTR of a few years. Fighting had gotten pretty bad and consistent, but she recently moved apartments and jobs so I thought it was just stress.

Last week two nights in a row she refuses to have sex, and not in a normal fashion. We started hooking up both times and she stopped, cold turkey, in the middle. She claimed she was tired and feeling sick, but I knew she wasn't, I've seen her before when she is truly tired or truly sick, and this wasn't it. Something was different, for the first time in the relationship, she actually did not want to have sex with me.

The first night it happened I gave her the benefit of the doubt and just sucked it up. Then when it happened again, I called her out about it and her reaction was so bizarre, it's like she was trying to convince herself she was still in love, but clearly wasn't. I told her that she needed to leave, she got an Uber and went home.

She comes over the next day to try to apologize and flirt with me. I was sick of giving her multiple chances for stuff, not just sex related, but also with her irrational anger and temper tantrums. I didn't allow her to try to hook up or stay long, I already had her belongings packed and ready to go, so she took them and left. We haven't spoke since.

Moral of the story - when a girl with a previously healthy and aggressive sexual appetite all of the sudden stops wanting to hook up with you, it's over. Best to cut her lose and start with someone else.

It's also funny, because I deleted all of our pictures that we had together on Instagram. I haven't told anyone about the break up, because I don't care to and it's no one's business. But what do you know, women I used to talk to are all of the sudden magically reaching out, wanting to get drinks / hang out etc (even women that are friends with her). Just goes to show the true nature of women

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"Legit CNN source" that was sarcasm, right? CNN is the biggest fake news outlet out there.

[–]TheLaughingRhino 1 points1 points [recovered]


"The Wire: The Pager (#1.5)" (2002)

Avon Barksdale: He scare you, don't he?

D'Angelo Barksdale: You know, I'm just sayin'...

Avon Barksdale: He scares me. Yeah. See, if he dead, you know, I could carry it better. Commin' up the way we did, you know, you kind of expect that. Waitin' on it. See, the thing is, you only got to fuck up once. Be a little slow, be a little late, just once. And how you ain't gonna never be slow? Never be late? You can't plan through no shit like this, man. It's life.

The above is where I see the rubber meeting the road. Once you are married and living with someone and sharing finances and maybe kids, how you are always going to hold frame control with precise vigilance all the time?

It's a zero tolerance standard and no guy can hold frame like that forever. We are human. We are going to have bad days. Weak days. Tragedy. Unsure moments. Things we don't know how to answer. Times when we are too tired to be rational. Every day? No, but you can't hide these things forever from another person you live with and see all the time.

As for Married Red Pill, there are guys in the manosphere who are trying to monetize being in the manosphere. Also guys looking to push their brand or their personal coaching or whatever. It's not all the guys there doing that and doing it here, but there are times I question initially the base objectivity when I see TMRP as some of catch all answer to this.

Personally I don't think it's likely. Getting married and avoiding what 99 percent of other men face. It's giving someone a loaded gun and hoping they won't shoot you in the face ( Did Matty Anon say that? Because it's a good example... and I trust Anon when he says just don't get married period.. he's not trying to sell me a book, he's not trying to monetize his blog or ideas, he's not trying to make me a personal paying client, he's just saying it's a rigged game and you can't beat a rigged game...)

All it takes is once, and who are we kidding, some women are waiting for one sliver of backwards ass justification in their lizard induced hamster to write you off and suck off someone else. Or leave you. Or just make you miserable.

Here's the real life quandary most of us see every single day. Some of you dudes are already banging chicks who are married or engaged or in long term relationships where the other guy is paying for everything. How many other times do you see married women period just checking out their options, flirting, doing crap that they'd be insane over if they caught their husbands acting that way. I'm very old school. I believe as a man, if you decide to marry and have kids, you are choosing to accept that you will fight, work hard and give everything and if needed, die for these people. To protect "your family" So when I see a married woman rubbing up on Chad's chest because she's bored, I think, some simp is going to die for that?

Another guy in another subreddit gave an example of a live hand grenade. You say "I Do" and you pull the pin. And you have to hold that motherfucker tight. All the time. When you sleep. When you are sick. When you are having a bad day. The day your parents die. The day your children might die. The day a natural disaster tears the roof of your house off. When zombies come charging. When flying monkeys with rocket launchers attack the mall you are in. Who can operate to that standard? For what could be the rest of your natural life? ( 94 percent odds you won't make it past the 10 year mark...)

And how you ain't gonna never be slow?

Never be late?

[–]cellphon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really liked the grenade analogy.

[–]analonlybitch 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Take this with a grain of salt though. I would imagine those senior citizens have other reasons for not having constant sex.

[–]Zchavago 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What the hell has happened?

[–]WeAreEvolving 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The best thing that ever happened to me was my divorce.

[–]newName543456 2 points3 points  (0 children)

B-b-b-b-but mainstream said sex isn't important and true love conquers all? Right? Riiiiiight?!

[–]mcpaulus 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Everytime I read something like this, I think wtf is wrong with this sub. Then I realize it's in America, and sadly probably true. The dating (and marriage) culture in USA is so fucked up.

In almost every LTR I've been in, after a year or so, its most often her engaging or taking the initiative to sex...

Maybe a third of american married men are really shit in bed?

[–]1ozaku7 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's why I would vouch for TRP Europe, because whatever happens in the EU is tenfold worse in the USA. It's the last fucking first world country I would want to live in.

[–]perfectcell- 3 points4 points  (5 children)

lol, take your anti-American bullshit and stick it up your ass little guy.

[–]mcpaulus 5 points6 points  (2 children)

That last paragraph was a joke. I'm not at all anti-america, but reading this sub, it does seem like a lot of american women have very weird and scewed world views.

Take the date-culture for example. It's pretty much alien for me...

[–]SovereignSoul76 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah! America is #1!

(....in prisoners per capita, soda consumption, government debt, hours of TV watched per week, lawyers per capita, prescription drug consumption, $ spent of plastic surgery, % of GDP spent on healthcare (but not quality of it), and most importantly: manufacturing, exporting, and stockpiling weapons!)

[–]perfectcell- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and rollercoasters...

also I think S Korea might be numero uno in plastic surgery spending.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Luckily the OPs bed posts double as massive dildos

[–]Navidian 1 points1 points [recovered]

Am I the only one here who's marriage is going fine despite hardly having to try (we've been together 15 years but married later)? She stays at home and takes care of the kid. We have throw away sex that's mostly for me frequently and occasionally we have good passionate sex. I do some of the chores outside and she takes care of the house.

I think I've internalized some red pill ideas, she tries to walk over me (although mostly that's just women unable to control their emotions) and I don't take it. If your girl is being a crazy bitch, you have to shut that down, you can't appease it, that just makes it worse.

[–]1mental_models 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Marriage without a hard prenup often removes any incentives to please. Removal of those incentives often leads to a relatively rapid decline. It's not just her controlling the sex, it's also a less attractive, less pleasing person than what you started with. Neither of you are as interested in initiating. Cultural networks can sometimes also help at least with social pressure to maintain appearances.

[–]AideDou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another 40 million Americans are the women of these marriages getting sex elsewhere.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But marriage is not about sex you misogynist hairy pig.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's easy to dismiss TRP discussions as incel, angry sexless betas being angry and amplifying minor issues. The reality is that a big chunk of normative, "mature" relationships end the same way.

most people will... but then it's A THIRD of your population, you should be looking at why and how this happened.

[–]Zachar1a 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That so-called article is just an ad for the divorce lawyer it touts at the bottom.

[–]productive_monkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this bad for the future children of the world if people stopped forming families?

[–]RationalMenWin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The claim is incorrect. There are only around 60.3 million people married. So, well over half are in sexless marriages.

[–]workingmanrush 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just buy the book, read it and do the work, it's not easy but it's worth it; if you don't have time to buy it and read it how are you going to have time to fix the marriage?

[–]workingmanrush 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anthol Kay is his name, he has a website, it's all free

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a single man from India, I am terrified at the rate of destruction of the marriage system in America and the western world. Here, the gynocentrism is in the toddler phase but with the hook up culture slowly on the rise, in less than three decades or so, we men in India might be facing a similar situation.

[–]xytrooo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok so after not getting marriage before TRP and freaking out over the idea after trp , can anyone please explain to me how does exactly the average joe go through the whole sales funnel for the thing and what is he gaining or contributing to?

you loose a lot of money, lost identity, lose most of your quality time, have stress, disrespect from society etc. Let's assume it actually goes very well over time, better than 70% of cases. what do you exactly get? regular sex with the same woman? status in your community? sense of completing something properly?

Even at the point of pregnancy there is higher roi to bail and pay your bills, while deciding how to get custody in your legal situation.

[–]AllahHatesFags 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No shit. The deadbedrooms subreddit is an endless supply of testimonials validating Red Pill truths. Of course if you try to tell them this or tell some sad sack to man up, lift, and stop being beta bux they will shadowban you.

[–]AllahHatesFags 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Marriage was supposed to ensure sex for the beta male; now because that's no longer the case our society is crumbling.

[–]Hunnybunny6 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I agree, don't marry, I'm confused why the men on this subreddit are even thinking about getting married ye all seem to hate women why would you marry one?! Hell why do ye even date women?! .... It's confusing.

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