FinanceSaw TRP in Action at my Job; I Buy it Now (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by halfback910

Started browsing this sub a while back. I thought a lot of the theory was interesting, made mental notes, and was on the lookout for confirmation in daily life. I found it some three months ago.

I am not an "alpha". I'll be the first to admit that. I'm active, fit, successful, but when it comes to straight out pissing contests, I generally lose. "Winning through sheer confidence and aggression" has never been my MO and likely never will be. Indirect confrontation is where I tend to thrive.

I got promoted about a year ago to more or less running the inventory and data analysis for my employer's global operations. Essentially a stand-in for our VP of operations specifically when it comes to inventory management and analytics anywhere outside of our home office. That means Hong Kong, Germany, Oceania, and other smaller outfits' inventory programs answer to me. The other 40% of my job is doing what I've always done: Inventory analytics for my product category in our domestic market.

Everything was going really well. I brought Germany, Hong Kong, and the rest of our global inventory into order (it was a shit show, everything is fine now). But it was tough to make people see the value I created in the home office because they didn't "see" me doing it. Numbers can only say so much to people who don't work with numbers for a living. Then about four months ago I find out that our VP hired a new analyst to focus "on e-tail". Totally blindsided, didn't even know they were interviewing. What makes it more problematic is that a lot of the forecasting I do is for e-tail. So whoever comes in is at least partially going to be absorbing some responsibilities from me. Still, not the end of the world because I have a ton of shit to do and am working on transitioning to a more global role.

But then I actually meet the guy. Total fucking Chad. Tall, incredibly sexy, built, cool, collected. You name it. I am immediately threatened, but force myself to reserve judgment because I have a tendency to snap judge people. My coworker, another analyst, tells me she despised him the second she met him. I even cautioned her to wait to judge him because I've been the new guy before and I know it can suck.

He has not been there three weeks, doesn't even know how to navigate our ERP and forecasting system properly before he starts talking about how he's going to "elevate" the forecasting. Big fan of that word, "elevate". He starts going through my forecasts and changing them. For those of you who are not familiar with being an analyst, changing an analyst's forecasts is akin to "fixing" a table that another carpenter made. It's essentially you telling them you don't think they're good at their job. And if you do it, you had better be fucking right.

My coworker and I are perhaps the only two people at our company that understand statistics on a fundamental level. She and I looked at the forecast adjustments he had made on my items and, just by glancing at them, immediately knew this kid was a fucking idiot.

The problem was, he presented himself so well and was such an alpha etc. that everyone else loved him. The men were buddy buddy with him almost immediately (he was so good at talking about sportsball) and every woman in our department save my friend were throwing themselves at him. I thought these were rational people. NOPE. The second a hot guy shows up, they go weak in the knees and forget me immediately. My friend told me that he had tried to talk shit about me to her, not knowing that we were super tight (We get drinks like every weekend and recently became business partners in our side venture. I was at her grandson's christening.). So it was obvious that this son of a bitch was gunning for me. Which was unfortunate because he was pretty hot and fun to look at.

He talked about his kids and wife to anyone who would listen, but I didn't care. I knew I had to get rid of him even if it meant putting his kids in the bread lines. So I started using logic and my knowledge of statistics to explain in our meetings why his ideas were wrong. Big fucking mistake. He just interrupted me and made stupid jokes at my expense and everyone laughed at me (particularly the women) because they don't understand the statistics or the numbers. They're morons. They don't get when the numbers are explained to them. They need to see it. It didn't matter that I was 100% correct, right? He would just try to make me look like an ass and a nerd.

The only way to get rid of him was to let him fail spectacularly and publicly in a way that he couldn't blame on anybody else. So I stopped reviewing his forecasts, knowing that it would cause us to be out of stock for some of our largest customers. I put in vacation time for three weeks about three months in advance, knowing almost exactly to the day when we would be out of stock, because unlike him I'm actually good at what I do.

I went to France and had two and a half glorious weeks with a guy there whom I am very attracted to. We saw the sights around Marseilles. All the while knowing that the clock was ticking. And then, on a Thursday, it exploded.

We were out of stock on thirteen of our largest moving items. Customers were calling to complain. Shit was hitting the fan. Who changed the forecasts to be so low? Oh, it was Chad. No matter, we'll have the other analyst fix them. Oh, she's out sick with a sudden and inexplicable illness? (She was actually at Six Flags, I believe; I had given her a heads up the day before) I guess we'll have to call that nerd we laughed at back early on his vacation to fix Chad's mess. His ticket isn't scheduled for another four days? Fuck, I guess the company has to fly him back here at our own expense because he needs to be here today! There are only first class seats available on such short notice? That's pricey. And we need to pay him for his vacation time.

I came in like a bat out of Hell, made a huge show of having to stay late to "fix this mess". I didn't point any fingers. His name was all over the forecast adjustments, so I didn't have to. He meekly offered to help me at one point. I asked him "Don't you think you've helped enough already?"

Before I went home at about 9PM that night, I sent the owner of the company an email detailing, in dollars and cents, how much this fuck-up had cost him. At the end of the next week, he was gone, all the while talking about his wife and kids. Wife and kids, wife and kids. You know who cared now? Fucking nobody, that's who. They smiled and wished him luck and got away from his desk as quickly as they could, the women included. Typical. Fits right in with women avoiding injured males. He was damaged goods now.

Not only was I still here, but I had been given a bonus for my efforts plus being compensated for my vacation time. Turns out you totally can put a price on another person, and in this case the price was a hair under two grand. So in a sense, I owe Chad a thank you because getting him fired helped me fund my retirement slightly sooner while keeping me in vodka and blow.

Chad taught me valuable lessons: Don't tolerate for a second someone moving in your turf. Don't trust people to be rational. And I taught Chad a very valuable lesson too: At the end of the day, money talks, you stupid cunt. Welcome to the jungle, I hope your wife and kids have to go on SNAP, fuck you and the used Camaro you rode in on.

I now absolutely buy TRP, hook, line, and sinker. I never thought all the people in this department were my friends, per se, but I thought they at least trusted my judgment. But no. The only person who saw value in what I did was the only other person who also did it for a living and was basically my best friend, so she shouldn't count. The second an "alpha" showed up, all bets were off and I was chopped liver. Great lessons all around.

[–]All-DayErrDay 419 points420 points  (16 children)

I love this post because it's one of the first TRP posts I have seen not praising someone randomly solely because they're some cool 6'2, down to earth, jacked, hot chad. It's fucking dumb seeing people do the same stuff that made him such a nuisance in the workplace on here.

[–]halfback910[S] 178 points179 points  (14 children)

To their credit, he managed to get hired despite apparently not being very good at the job. So there's something to what he did. I feel like you need to be good at the job no matter what, but also Chadding it up can give you bonus miles. You just can't fly forever on bonus miles, but you can fly forever on being good at the job?

[–]redvelvet_oreo 33 points34 points  (1 child)

I just want to chime in on the "something" mr.chad did to help get his job. I'm sure his looks helped him to some level but to be quite honest your social skills weigh a lot more I have noticed. I am great at my job and I use to be jus let like you and it got me no where most of the time besides people thinking I was an asshole and a mr know it all. Fast forward post TRP...I started looking for a new job and interviewed at a very well known company. I was hired within 3 interviews the whole process was relatively quick. My boss told me months later they hired me for my personality. He said he knew I was smart but my personality won them over and if my knowledge wasn't the best they would have been patient and let me learn. During the interview I managed to connect with both interviewers and have a sense of humor along with knowing my shit. Suffice to say being able to game people and past shit test from either males or females will establish a comfort with them making you more likeable. This is what helped me and what I think may have helped Mr.chad you refer to.

[–]halfback910[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm sure that helped. And on paper he looks experienced.

[–]RPmatrix 26 points27 points  (4 children)

So there's something to what he did

It's called the 'halo effect'

A halo effect is an outcome in one area due to factors derived from another. When good-looking people, for example, are perceived as more intelligent, more successful and more popular, "that's the halo effect in psychology" and it's caused by a cognitive bias, the tendency for an impression created in one area to influence opinion in another area

[–]All-DayErrDay 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Do you think he would have been in his position if he hadn't looked like the way he did? That's all im saying, is that just basing some awesome character traits on someone you've talked to once because of the way they look and acted that one time is ignorant. But yeah I will say if I had the mental fortitude to act the way he does, I would definitely experiment and do it on people in situations with a lot of new faces that I probably wouldn't meet again as a way to learn what works and what doesn't.

[–]halfback910[S] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

I have no idea, honestly. And I interacted with him regularly over the course of a total of about four months I guess. I do try to avoid snap judging people as I said (it's a bad habit and can cost you in the long run, as I've had to find out the hard way), but I think that four months or so equips you to more or less completely judge someone's character.

[–]un-supervised-savage 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sounds like fake it till you make it gone wrong. With your job you have to actually know it, or at least be willing to learn from the master. But instead he violated one of the laws of power. Never outshine the master. Even though you may not have been his boss you had the skills he needed to know to be successful and he arrogantly dismissed your skills fucking him self over in the process. Wouldn't call the guy a true chad or redpiller. If he were a true redpiller you wouldn't have felt threatened by him until it was too late.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 414 points415 points  (73 children)

First, that was beautiful. Good job.

Second, you seem to suffer from self limitation. You say you will probably never be a Chad. That's bullshit. You can become what you want if you work for it. Imagine having that guy's charisma and your current talent for the job. How sweet would that be?

[–]halfback910[S] 117 points118 points  (62 children)

That sort of self improvement has always puzzled me. I'm very good at establishing reasonable goals, developing a plan, sticking to the plan, and coming out ahead of schedule and under budget. I wanted this sort of job. So I laid out a four year plan, stuck to it, and now I'm generally where I wanted to be. I wanted to be fit so I researched a goal, gave myself a budget for memberships and training, set up a two year plan, stuck to it, and here I am.

But I've never been able to find a convincing PLAN to become a better person?

[–]redpect 117 points118 points  (28 children)

deleted What is this?

[–]halfback910[S] 33 points34 points  (27 children)

Well on the voice tone, I've heard that everyone hates the sound of their own voice, right? Because you never actually hear it when you're talking. You just think you do, but your brain is actually just cancelling it out or something. So when you hear it on recording it sounds weird and foreign and terrible. So would I be the best judge of my voice? Could I pay someone online five bucks to listen to me talk and critique my voice, you think?

[–]dCLIFFb 38 points39 points  (20 children)

He's talking about the rhythm and cadence/tone, not necessarily what your voice sounds like.. I see what you're saying and that might affect how you judge yourself but there is stuff you can improve just by listening to your own voice. I don't know if people on here do this anymore, but back about a year ago I know a few of the top contributors to this subreddit held Skype interviews with people to talk about whatever the person wanted to improve. Maybe check the sidebar or make a post about that

[–]SiulaGrande 21 points22 points  (10 children)

i actually love the sound of my voice. naturally deep and powerful. i fucking masturbate to my own voice (joking now)

but seriously, when i hear it played back on snapchat before sending a video to someone, it always sounds great. i used to think my voice sounded weird when i was younger; either my voice changed or my opinion changed (probably a bit of both). but truthfully, the tone of your voice is a simple change in the grand scheme of things and not as difficult or crucial as other larger character changes like internal self confidence, outcome independence, and strong charisma and social skills. changing your vocal tone can definitely help, but sometimes I cringe at that advice because it's like the "get a better smile" or "have better posture" pieces of advice; all of them are valid, but usually peoples' bigger issues are deeper character issues that won't be addressed by quick-fix pieces of advice like smiles, posture, and vocal tone. But hey, improve the tone of your voice, why not.

if you ever want any tips on anything else feel free to shoot me a PM, im happy to give pointers. improving your "chad" qualities is always a bit of a weird one to figure out because it's like the fitness industry: lots of bro-science, not a lot of hard truth real science. as of right now, even with TRP, you still have to muddle your way through a lot of different resources to finally understand how to improve, what to improve, etc, and if you think it'd be useful to have someone to bounce ideas off of and brainstorm I'd be happy to help.

books like Dale Carnegie "How to Win Friends and Influence People" is THE premiere book for building social skills and conversational skills and forming relationships and connections (most applicable for business settings but also for meeting new people and in general; NOT for gaming women). books like Eckhart Tolle "The Power of Now" help you to ground your mind and be free from thoughts of anxiety/depression and allow you to be fully in the moment, which comes across as a very strong and calm demeanor (since your emotional strength is literally taken to another level).

Those are definitely the two books I'd recommend to you if I were to recommend anything. I've seen huuuge gains in charisma and straight up happiness from those two books alone. I've read Dale Carnegie's book 4 times so far over the course of two years just to stay fresh.

Seriously man, if you ever need any brainstorming on what to focus on for self-improvement I'd love to help, shoot me a message anytime man.

Lots of noobs on this sub with big egos who don't want to face truth and find ways to improve themselves; rather come up with rationalizations for why life isn't going their way. Helping someone who is ready for change, genuinely wants to improve, and is detached from their ego enough to look at things objectively and without rationalization is a breath of fresh air; I feel that communicating with people like you one on one is far more productive than continually trying to help people with insignificant singular issues in askTRP and usually not getting anywhere because they don't have the maturity to admit they've been doing it wrong.

So yeah, if you ever want any ideas or a sounding board for anything, by all means shoot me a PM. I'd love to help.

Best of luck.

edit: hey by the way, I'm trying to get into data analysis, could I message you some time asking for advice? just tips on what concrete skills I'm missing and how best to get into that industry. I started this post thinking I could offer you some advice but after continuing to read the comments and seeing that you're legit at data analysis I'm like "fuck, I should ask this guy for advice", so yeah if you'd be willing to give some simple pointers I'd really appreciate it. I'm solid in R, learning python, can run all the queries I need to in MySQL, just need to do some projects to hone my skills and it would be really helpful if you could give me ideas on what to do for this. Eventually I want to get into data science through a graduate degree, but first I'd like to get some work experience in data analysis. My statistical knowledge is strong for someone with a bachelor's degree and my statistical/data intuition is also strong. Thank you so much.

[–]halfback910[S] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

ey by the way, I'm trying to get into data analysis, could I message you some time asking for advice? just tips on what concrete skills I'm missing and how best to get into that industry. I started this post thinking I could offer you some advice but after continuing to read the comments and seeing that you're legit at data analysis I'm like "fuck, I should ask this guy for advice", so yeah if you'd be willing to give some simple pointers I'd really appreciate it. I'm solid in R, learning python, can run all the queries I need to in MySQL, just need to do some projects to hone my skills and it would be really helpful if you could give me ideas on what to do for this. Eventually I want to get into data science through a graduate degree, but first I'd like to get some work experience in data analysis. My statistical knowledge is strong for someone with a bachelor's degree and my statistical/data intuition is also strong. Thank you so much.

Sure. My statistical knowledge was built by having my current employer pay for Masters level stat courses. I just cherry-picked all the Statistical courses and never took anything else.

To get into my current data analysis role I started in other supply chain roles. I was a buyer. Which is alright but not great. Then I was a "Materials Manager" which is a cross between a buyer and an inventory Analyst. And then I came here. It was all part of my four year plan to get a role pretty close to what I have now (though I was gunning for something more in logistics, inventory is great too).

In all honesty the python stuff might not help so much, the MySQL shit is obviously vital. If you can take training courses in SAP, Oracle, and maybe some other large ERP systems that would, of course, help. Mastery over excel to the point of being able to write Macros (with some help from Google!) is also incredibly helpful. I used Macros to automate 20% of my processes my first few months in.

The biggest thing that separates the wheat from the chafe of analysts is what I call innumeracy. It's illiteracy but with numbers. An innumerate person will never be a good analyst. They can only hope to be a decent analyst. I recommend "Innumeracy" by John Allen Paulos as required reading for any would-be analysts. It is incredibly short and, in my opinion, interesting and well-written. I finished the thing in one sitting, so fascinated was I. That will give you an idea of what I mean by innumeracy. Basically if you are one of 10% of humans that's capable of wrapping their brain around large numbers and how numbers work together, you'll be a great analyst. If you can look at a spreadsheet that has no alphabetical characters in it (save maybe the column headers) and read it like a book, you'll be a great analyst.

In terms of qualifications you're well on your way. Start applying for data analytics jobs. It's just a numbers game, man. You're pretty qualified so if you apply for enough data analysis jobs, you'll get one. Maybe even take a shitty one to start out. Work there a year while finishing your education. Start looking for another one, tell them that you're currently in a contractor role and they won't think less of you for leaving (everyone knows being a contractor sucks and everyone knows that TONS of employers are using contractors now!)

As for your offers about talking about improvement, I think I'll take you up on that. We'll be in touch.

[–]NotMyBestEffort 3 points4 points  (0 children)

... it's just a numbers game,


[–]SiulaGrande 1 point2 points  (0 children)

awesome, thanks for the reply man. ill definitely check out that book, i appreciate the recommendation.

so I see what type of data analytics you're doing. youre doing analytics for a biiiig big company so your database knowledge has to be on point. do you do a lot of statistical modeling? I know you mentioned forecasting in your post. the stuff I'm learning right now is more about predictive modeling/intro-level machine learning. that's why i'm trying to pick up python, because I guess a lot of popular machine learning frameworks are on python. I also have like no data experience in excel. but I appreciate your advice tremendously and it's awesome hearing advice from someone established in the industry, so thank you for that.

i'll take your advice and start applying to some jobs soon. I live in SF bay area so I basically couldn't be in a better location to start a career in this field.

and for improvement, yeah man it's all up to you. i also won't take it personally if you aren't interested, i offered for your help not my ego so its all up to you, but im always happy to talk that stuff. i feel i learn more and can make a bigger impact on TRP talking to people one on one who are ready for change and want to improve themselves rather than spending time on askTRP asking questions that could've been answered with the sidebar.

best of luck with everything!

[–]halfback910[S] 14 points15 points  (7 children)

Interesting... How much do you think it helps? Enough for a vocal coach to be a worthwhile investment?

I'm big on hiring experts to accomplish goals more efficiently. I hired an expert to get in shape. I hire an expert to work on my house. Even though I could do both those things myself.

[–]TaxFreeNFL 35 points36 points  (2 children)

What? No. Justwatch Top Gun over and over again, dismissing the homosexual undertones. Err, wait, how alpha did you wanna be? Just keep watching Top Gun.

[–]Thinkingard 7 points8 points  (0 children)

On youtube watch How to speak so people listen by Julian Treasure.

[–]dCLIFFb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't really comment on that, as I'm not really familiar with a vocal coach and what they do. Perhaps another poster could give you some insight.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You should indeed record your own voice. In a normal conversation. And then listen to it. All the 'mistakes' become obvious.

This clip was recently (re)posted to reddit. Clark Kent becomes superman just by standing straighter and speaking with more confidence. And it's convincing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIaF0QKtY0c

[–]JornSellew 1 points1 points [recovered]

I hated my voice a few years ago, now I don't. I believe part of it is just getting used to it. What the brain recognizes, the brain likes. You may have experienced it yourself: you meet a guy and think he's hideous. But the more time you see him, the more barable his looks become, until you find him just average. Tat's also the reason why many of us hate our pictures, but not our mirror-image (which is, of course, mirrored and always face-on).

Listen to recordings of your voice a lot. Do you talk to yourself? Record it (you may want first think of a sentence, record it, then hit pause because otherwise it won't be fun listening to all the pauses and 'erm's. Don't you talk to yourself while alone thinking? Read some shit out loud and record it. Things you want to remember, for example a good post on this subreddit. Then listen to yourself a lot.

You can do the same if you hate your pictures: take a lot of them and look at them. Or if you're not sure if a face-on picture of yours is hideous, mirror it and you'll have better judgment.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Practicing talking to strangers is a basic way to start. Just progress the amount of strangers you talk to per week. Other options are improv classes or some form of public speaking.

There are plenty of resources out there on approaching, keeping a conversation flowing, body language, eye contact, etc.

I think at the core you have to become extremely honest, open and loving to yourself before you can be really good at being open to someone else. Any fear will hold you back and should be worked through. Also meditation helped me to love people by default and be more calm and comfortable in social settings.

Also you have to learn about powertalk. If you don't you are basically speaking a different language. Someone on here made a really good series on powertalk, if you know what I'm talking about please post the link.

Btw. Make sure your hair and style is good. Easy gains there for most men. Fucking hair dryers are magic apparently.

[–]halfback910[S] 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Practicing talking to strangers is a basic way to start. Just progress the amount of strangers you talk to per week. Other options are improv classes or some form of public speaking.

Oh, I'm an amazing public speaker. I was top five in the nation multiple years in a row in Extemporaneous Speech when I was in high school. Public speaking is something I get.

Btw. Make sure your hair and style is good. Easy gains there for most men. Fucking hair dryers are magic apparently.

Shaved myself bald when I started lose my hair a bit. Figured I'd rather be ugly than weak. Apparently the twinks who like guys with big dicks also don't mind bald guys. Also bald and fit is an okay look. So it's not all bad. And I noticed that nobody bumps into me in the street anymore. Ever. Not even in NYC. And the effect has only become more pronounced since Charlottesville. Happy coincidences.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Good call on shaving. If you are a good public speaker the rest should come pretty easily.

[–]halfback910[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I honestly love being shaved. I've always had my face clean shaven because I hated having facial hair. Very uncomfortable and annoying to me.

Turns out this whole time I hated having hair on my head too and just didn't even know it? It was a really weird realization. To realize that it was fucking awful and annoying this whole time and I just had no idea because I knew nothing else.

And public speaking is more formulaic than people think. Follow the formula, realize that nobody knows you're nervous, comprehend that nobody actually matters or cares about you and the rest falls into place.

[–]1grogbottle 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Alright, quick Aristotelian ethics lesson.

What is the good life? To be happy. What is happiness? It is different things at different times to different people, but we all agree that regular sex, good health, adequate wealth, good friends close and casual, and healthy self-esteem don't hurt one bit.

How do you attain the good life? You must be excellent in life. What does it mean to be excellent in life? It is to have the habits, knowledge, wisdom, ability, and will to make a good life for yourself.

Look around you; you will find many examples of people lacking in one or another. The old man learning how to use a smartphone has wisdom, but no knowledge. The enthusiastic teenager has ability and will, but neither habit nor wisdom.

And what of good and bad? Things are generally best at some point in between two extremes. It is good to be confident, not arrogant nor meek. It is good to be brave, not foolhardy nor cowardly. Sometimes it is better to be cocky, other times humble. It is a matter of practical wisdom, judgement in the thick of it, to determine which is the best course.

How do you get better at determining what's right and wrong? You experience them. Learn from the actions and mistakes of others. Judge, allow yourself to change your mind, move on and improve.

How do you get better at doing things? You practice them. Confidence is like a muscle; you have to continuously use it. Some are born with it, but for most- and for the greatest among us- it is practiced. So it is for every good trait. It must be trained, honed, kept alert and ready.

Now we have a better picture of the good life. It is being able to determine what is best for you, making sure you are able and willing to carry it through, then actually doing it.

Now, your plan to become a better person. What are you lacking? Inner confidence. You err on the side of meekness. You don't trust your instincts. You have a VP's responsibilities but, I bet, neither a VP's pay nor clout.

What do you have going for you? Deviousness. Intelligence. Loyalty, steadfastness, perseverance, and a view to the long term.

What does this mean? You will not be able to protect the things you love when push comes to shove and shit hits the fan. You do not have the assertiveness.

How do you fix that? Exercise your instincts. Trust them. Do something that requires confidence, keep doing it, measure your progress, and live up to it.

I refuse to leave people without a concrete plan. What worked for me? Stone cold approach. Completely sober. No lines memorized. Walk up, say hi, first thing that comes to mind. Eventually you get good at establishing an easy rapport built on nothing but whatever you are comfortable talking about.

What else worked for me? Physical activity. Lifting, but also diving, rock climbing, and hiking. Know what you can do and what you can push your body to. Never let yourself get comfortable. Always push your lifts. Get ever higher. Be comfortable under pressure.

Now you have two of three components- self-knowledge and self-confidence. You still need to be able to assert your will on others. This is the hardest part, because there are relatively few opportunities in life that allow you to do this without negative consequences. Team sports are great but not always feasible given time / scheduling. So practice it in your personal life. Don't allow people to insult you unpunished- kick them out. Don't step out of the way of strangers when you have right of way- look them in the eye and stand your ground.

This plan has clear steps and goals. It is missing a timeline because this is a lifelong pursuit.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Stick to the basics. Gym daily, be outgoing, never defend/supplicate/explain, and never apologize.

There was this reality TV show where they had all these snowflakes trying out simple tradeskill jobs like blacksmithing, welding, etc. Every one of those fuckers kept trying to shortcut and "make it their own" playing standard snowflake cards. They keep fucking up at every single turn for weeks, and one of the guys decided to just do it the right way (also happens to be the hard way). Instant results. Most people start falling in line, and they are crushing it.

Self improvement is exactly that. There are no shortcuts. Hit the gym, a lot. Start forcing yourself to talk to strangers til it feels natural. And most of all, walk around all day every day like you're the biggest baddest motherfucker alive who can do anything you want. Stop making excuses and just do it.

If a nerdy loser like me can become Chad by following TRP, so can any of you fuckers.

[–]TaylorWolf 5 points6 points  (2 children)

You should really look into Brazilian Jiu Jitsu... its a martial art that requires so much technical problem solving is is known as a sport filled with "a bunch of computer nerds that can kick your ass" and "a chess game with limbs"

You will get sexy and shredded playing a fun game that requires high level problem solving. What is there to lose??

[–]halfback910[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Funny, I've never heard that before. I'm a big fan of racquetball for that reason. Since I moved to a concealed carry state from a very anti-gun state, my self defense is taken care of (I'm pretty well trained with my sidearm, I'm responsible with it, etc.) but it does sound fun.

I'll look into it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The reason there is no plan to becoming a better person is that when people say "better person" what they really mean is "a better person at X and Y things".

Better at what? The "at what" is the key question, and that's where any plan has to come from. I can't be like "I want to be a better person than these cool guys I see". I can't be a better person - but I can be better at doing things.

Failures in life are focused on "being somebody" and their goal is to be a better person to feel good about themselves. Successful people concentrate on key areas to be better than others at, and leverage that competitive advantage into a disproportionate rewards. (This is how alphas of various shapes and sizes and personalities wind up cornering the sexual, financial, and cultural markets).

A good goal is, if you are a student, to say, I want to excel in a more lucrative major than everyone else, get a better job right out of college, and learn more networking and real world skills so I can get ahead early and fast. A bad goal would be "I want to be a better person" or "I want to be wealthy".

To succeed as an salesmen or doctor or engineer or CEO or whatever it is, we can probably distill it down to 1-5 skills that you need to just be better at than 99% of the competition. If you can do that, you'll be ludicrously successful, but most people cannot just be a top %er at anything. There are certain things where your passion, your drive, your genetics, your talents, etc, will allow you to be a top% er at, and others where they will block you.

It is easy to come up with a plan to improve "at things" but almost impossible to come up with a plan to improve as a person. We have proven with scientific distinction that, for example, a certain plan and diet can get a man ripped, aesthetic, strong, healthy, and attractive from the face down.

So plan out what you need to improve at to be better than the competition in areas you care about. Finding these key areas is your challenge. Once you have found them, it will be pretty easy to find a plan to improve at them. And that's all better people are. Chad is better than a beta at talking to girls and staying cool and collected in social situations. That is a learnable skill, that plus a more fit body is probably all that makes him seem magically better to the beta scratching his head wondering how to become like that.

[–]westhewolf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Read 48 laws of power. At least browse the sections. Seriously. It will give you perspective.

[–]MelodyMyst 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Just a couple of pennies for thought.

Being a better person doesn't always mean physical or financial gain.

Have you ever considered volunteering somewhere? From your description I heard a lot about YOU but heard nothing about family, friends, community.

Also, don't confuse chad with alpha. An alpha can be a chad, a chad may not necessarily be an alpha.

Back to volunteering. Family, community, friends. This is where you will find a place to be alpha.

This is a disjointed thought so maybe someone more eloquent could expand.

[–]halfback910[S] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Have you ever considered volunteering somewhere? From your description I heard a lot about YOU but heard nothing about family, friends, community

I actually hate volunteering. My time is valuable. The only reason I do work is because I'm paid to do it. I don't know why I'd ever do work for not-money. Like, I love my job. Right? It's my ideal career. I love my numbers.

But if I had a billion dollars I guarantee you, with 100% certainty, I would never do inventory analysis again. And it's what I like.

[–]1AfterC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Halfback, HALFBACK, I just CAME nigga, fuck

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Not sure yet if you're a guy or a girl, but either way you sound like a nice person. Based on how you describe yourself, I think one book in particular will be very beneficial: "No More Mr. Nice Guy," I think it'll be a game-changer.

[–]halfback910[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Guy. And thanks. The title brought a smile to the corner of my mouth.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The title brought a smile to the corner of my mouth.

That's a good sign. It's a game-changer for me. I analyze a lot less in terms of how I want to move about the world. I more rely on embodying my true self and moving about the world with it, confidently. But I used to be a very nice accommodating guy. While I wasn't a push-over, I was pretty nice and did things for people. I can tell that you're nice, willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, but you have a good instinct in sniffing out bullshit and in the end wouldn't allow yourself to be pushed (in fact, the way you allowed Mr. Chad to go down into his own in his own flames was epic). That being said - the book does a great job shining the light on the other parts of me - the ones that aren't just "nice," "problem-solver," "accommodating" etc.

But I've never been able to find a convincing PLAN to become a better person?

Try the book out and let me know. You'll find out within the next 2 chapters if it's meant for you to read now, or it's a book that you'll want to read at a much later age (without knowing how old you are). Feel free to PM Me. Good luck!

[–]kieran9323 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Imagine having that guy's charisma

that's just good looks and first impressions.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If it was that simple everybody would be brilliant at those things.

[–]yomo86 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Let's face it. Self-improvement is awesome, it is needed for all of us. But is has its limitations. In facts: I am 5'10, stocky muscular frame, baby face, upper management job and my life is in order. Next to some 6'4, blond haired, tanned, muscular man with a nice voice all my skills and abilities are beginning to vanish.

It is as simple as that. Of course I, you, and many TRPers can outcompete 70% of males just by being alive in the state that we are in, right now, but there is no such thing of being king of the hill forever, when the king of the fucking Appalachian mountains shows up. So doing what OP did is the most effective thing. When outclassed, you have to outwit. On a primal level not always the highest SMV people survived but also the smartest. Otherwise we, as a race, would have not evolved to have larger brains if pure looks were everything.

[–]slumdog-millionaire 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I'm confused, the post seems to indicate OP is a female. So when you say chad you're not necessarily referring to a male?

[–]TheStumblingWolf 17 points18 points  (3 children)

I was confused too, assumed OP was a gay man. In any case, the point remains the same. Just substitute Chad for whatever female equivalent is appropriate.

[–]smallypants 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"I guess we'll have to call that nerd we laughed at back early on his vacation"

OP is a dude 👍

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

His being gay is irrelevant Red Pill applied to professional interactions as well. The OP was AMOG'd on the job and did a good job of getting even. OP kept frame and out maneuvered the the chad.

Unlike the sexual market, in the place the professional market place technical skills still matter if your social skills are on point. Otherwise you will become the scape goat for someone else's fuckup.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i thought he already IS chad.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 52 points53 points  (10 children)

and in this case the price was a hair under two grand

For a first price ticket France -> US plus your vacation time plus all the fucking up of a supply chain, your time, lost reputation? Loved the post, can't understand why this number isn't closer to $20k.

Or was this your bonus for fixing it all?

[–]halfback910[S] 69 points70 points  (9 children)

That was just my bonus for fixing it all. If anything I look better than before because I made such a show of swooping in and fixing everything and it was clear I was the only one who could. VP is still thanking me three weeks later.

I couldn't be asked to accurately place a dollar value on all the stupid shit he did. His fuck ups cost the company like 300k. But that's no skin off my nose.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 55 points56 points  (8 children)

This is great that you got this fixed... sometimes letting things fail is the only solution if you're not being listened to.

His fuck ups cost the company like 300k.

I would argue the company fucked it up. Chad was just being Chad. They listened to him instead of you, and paid for it.

[–]halfback910[S] 44 points45 points  (7 children)

Yup, good way of putting it. It's one of those things, every village has an idiot. The idiot is just an idiot. But if the villagers elect their village idiot to be their elder, then that's their fault.

[–]brinkleybuzz 33 points34 points  (7 children)

Good job winning this battle.

You haven't won the war yet though. Ask yourself ... why did your boss hire your potential replacement?

If your employer doesn't value you, you need to find someone who will. Sound familiar? Women, employers ... same concept. You have a scarcity mentality because you are relying on someone who doesn't value you to reward you.

Dust off your resume and start building abundance through real options. If only a small group of people in a single company are aware of your talents, you won't realize your full potential.

[–]halfback910[S] 16 points17 points  (4 children)

No, you're right. Even before TRP, I knew that a good strategy was to start looking every two-three years. They bought themselves a lot more time since they promoted me (I highly, highly doubt I could get a position like the one I'm in with only like four years of experience under my belt anywhere else, so I think sticking it out here another two years is the right move). The salary they gave me for it was pretty generous as well, so again, they bought themselves a bit more time. But that shit doesn't last forever.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 65 points66 points  (0 children)


The only way to get rid of him was to let him fail spectacularly and publicly in a way that he couldn't blame on anybody else. So I stopped reviewing his forecasts, knowing that it would cause us to be out of stock for some of our largest customers. I put in vacation time for three weeks about three months in advance, knowing almost exactly to the day when we would be out of stock, because unlike him I'm actually good at what I do.


My guess is if you didn't go on vacation Chad would have shifted blame on to you and you would have been fired and Chad would have taken over.

Well played.


[–]slumdog-millionaire 93 points94 points  (0 children)

Glad you put that guy in his place, thing is if you're gonna talk the talk you better be able to walk the walk

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Everyone loves ethos, lives for pathos

Logos... Well "the appearance of logic" is important too

[–]halfback910[S] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Yup. My experience has definitely confirmed that. I thought these were rational people. Nope. I now believe less than 5% of people in general are rational.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Now to learn how to be as persuasive as chad. Otherwise, you'll always be the best low level analyst around

[–]halfback910[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I'm in charge of like eight analysts across the globe and am the highest paid analyst in the home office. But point taken.

[–]hkd1234 55 points56 points  (1 child)

This is pro-revenge material. Consider posting it there.

[–]AlphaGrad 44 points45 points  (48 children)

I'm confused, are you a woman?

[–]halfback910[S] 131 points132 points  (47 children)

Gay guy. I considered mentioning it to avoid confusion, but I try not to come out and say it unless it's explicitly relevant to the story. And in this case I judged that it was not.

[–]redrogue12 77 points78 points  (35 children)

We could tell you were salivating writing about him.

[–]halfback910[S] 140 points141 points  (25 children)

Oh, I'm perfectly willing to admit he was super hot and I would've gone down on him and let him fuck me in a heartbeat, despite being a top in 99% of scenarios.

But I would never let that distract me from my work. And when he started coming after me, I just made my alarm wake me up five minutes earlier so I could jack off before work. Dilemma fucking solved.

But I'm not going to sit here and say he wasn't hot. He totally was.

EDIT: Actually if I'm being completely honest, the fact that he was hot definitely made me enjoy it even more. I wouldn't have savored it so much if I wasn't attracted to him.

[–]i2b2b 58 points59 points  (1 child)

I have laughed 99% of the time I've spent on this thread. This thread is all about layers.

[–]halfback910[S] 47 points48 points  (0 children)

I'm sure some therapist somewhere is scribbling frantically and having a field day.

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (5 children)

Being hot fucking matters. A good friend of mine (who I actually am unsure if I want to hang out with anymore) has no job - other than selling drugs - is 30 years old, and lives in his parent's attic. He routinely steals from stores, and cheats on his 21 year-old girlfriend quite often.

Despite these "anti-attraction death sentences," he is drowning in pussy. It's totally insane.

Guys - remember all those times women turned you down for a night of fun because you "didn't have your priorities straight?"

Your priorities had nothing to do with it.

You just weren't born hot enough.

[–]halfback910[S] 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Man. Sounds like the rest of his life us miserable, though.

[–]I_AM_CALAMITY 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Why do you care? We're not the nerds in high school hoping the jocks have to work at McDonalds when they graduate. We're trying to learn from the jocks to improve our beta selves.

Fantasies of being the one who eventually gets the babe while the roles are currently reversed is BETA. Almost a revenge fantasy

Also, selling drugs is not remotely anti-attractive. Risk-taking is on the masculine side of the gender polarity. Women are attracted to masculine polarity such as drug dealing

Question: you say you are a top 99% of the time. Does that mean you need to be the masculine side of a relationship? Does it work the same way in gay relationships? If not, our goals would be different than yours.

[–]halfback910[S] 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I mean, I really don't care about drugs. I think people should be able to do whatever they want in the free market and put whatever they want in their bodies.

I was talking more about... I guess, living with his parents... in an attic? Stealing from stores just so he can get what he needs? Maybe it's risky but the fact that you can't afford it strikes me as... pathetic.

Question: you say you are a top 99% of the time. Does that mean you need to be the masculine side of a relationship? Does it work the same way in gay relationships? If not, our goals would be different than yours.

Not necessarily, it's just a sexual preference. And I know the goals are different, I was just saying that I am now 100% sold on the underlying theory being absolutely correct. After seeing the way my coworkers got wet over this guy. And the posting guidelines explicitly say that posts about the theory are allowed and encouraged. I've never really gotten along with most women, and TRP kind of started helping me fill in the blanks as to why. And when I saw this display it kind of all clicked.

I never claimed for a second that my goals are the same as those of straight men. I get that we're different clocks, wound differently. And pursuing men is very different from pursuing women. If I were straight, I doubt I would be able to have any sex at all. Because from what I've seen women are just such a fucking high-effort game. If I want to have sex with a guy literally all I have to do is say "Hey, would you like to have sex?" And if he wants to he says yes and if not he says no. The end.

If I had to do any of this crazy shit that I see straight guys doing I'd fail. And I wouldn't be able to take the shit they have to put up with, either. The constant pecking from GF's bitchy friends? Pretty psyched I don't have to deal with any of the bullshit you have to put up with. Men come with their own set of problems, to be sure. But I think they're better problems.

[–]JornSellew 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'd contemplate becoming gay it if it were possible to change one's sexual preference.

[–]BullshittingNonsense 9 points10 points  (1 child)

So gangster you're a gay guy buying into the Red Pill. I know it's not just for straight guys, but obviously that's the vast majority of the believers

[–]halfback910[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If it's right, I buy it, generally. It's super important to abandon positions that are wrong and immediately adopt correct positions if they prove themselves correct, imo.

[–]1htbf 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Wait, so jacking up before work every morning turns you off from sexual attraction to coworkers ? I did that for a whole to turn off my attraction for a girl I was working with but I felt it was not sustainable and the returns were not so obvious. I was sacrificing a lot for the sake of a bitch.

[–]Sonos 25 points26 points  (4 children)

Jack off before making any decisions.

Do I need this thing? Jack off.

Do I want to fuck this girl later tonight? Jack off.

So I want to do this very risky thing? Jack off

If the answer is yes after you clear your mind, then do it.

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 13 points14 points  (2 children)

The Japanese have a word for that: kenjataimu

[–]halfback910[S] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Of course they do. What a fascinating culture. I love Japan so much. They really did a 180 from chaotic evil to lawful good over a span of like... twenty years?

[–]Sonos 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Nuclear hellfire will do that to a country.

[–]Menchstick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sure I'd say no to everything after doing it.

[–]halfback910[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It doesn't get rid of it. But it definitely takes the edge off. And it's not like it was forever; I just had to last til I got home and could usually arrange something pretty quickly. Getting sex as a gay guy is super easy. Even when I was super average and plain looking. Technology, relative youth, and being big in the dick department made it pretty easy to hook up with someone if I wanted to.

And now it's the same thing, but they message ME first. But even before that the fish basically jump into your net. Unless you're super fucking ugly you can find someone decent looking to have sex with you.

I vastly preferred the extra five minutes of sleep, though.

[–]SaggyT 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I just logged in to let you know that "jacking off part" made laugh the most out of everything! This post is gold

[–]halfback910[S] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Same here. Despite doing it for multiple months the insane, Kafka-esque humor of the whole thing never struck me til I wrote it on Reddit.

[–]SaggyT 3 points4 points  (2 children)

No offense, but I need to ask this question:

Does the fact that you found him hot+ he was chad as fuck (straight, sportsguy, was more direct) made him more of an antagonist to your own being?

Like what if he was a weakling but just good at social skills?

I dont know if you get my question but anyways

[–]halfback910[S] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Oh, no. I didn't bear any actual animosity towards him til he started gunning for me. Honestly.

He may have clashed with my personality and rubbed me a bit the wrong way? But a lot of people at the company do that. I'm not having problems with them. As long as I can work with you, I'm fine. I don't need to like you. Like I said elsewhere, ultimately I just want to do business. He wanted to put me out of business. And that's what I took issue with.

Him being hot definitely made the process more enjoyable, though.

[–]SaggyT 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Metaphorically fucking him up huh hehe

Nice story bro, i liked that it was a serious situation sprinkled with lots of humor

[–]2kez88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hahaha you sound like a cool dude

[–]Patriarchysaurus 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yeahhh, I kinda got a whiff of sour grapes here, esp. the parts about the Chad's wife & kids suffering for his cis male sins.

Some gay men, just like some women, will attack an alpha who rejects them, even implicitly as per their innate sexual orientation. It seems to me that that little sabotage was sexually motivated on your part, OP. Was it because he was "gunning for you", or because he wasn't?

[–]thestruggled 9 points10 points  (1 child)

In this case, despite any potential spurning, I think the main point of conflict was the fact that op's credibility was sacked for appearance.

[–]halfback910[S] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

It was actually because he was trying to get me fired. If I fell into the category you're denoting (which I know exists) I'd be insisting up and down he wasn't hot, etc. You think anyone in that category will flat out admit that the people who "reject" them (I put that in quotes because I don't think it's possible for a straight man to reject another man) is attractive?

Sex and romance are just a numbers game, ultimately. Like applying for jobs. Just keep asking and you'll get a yes. And you only need one yes.

[–]supamanpasta 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm also a gay guy who lurks on TRP and other similar forums mostly because I'm interested in it's unvarnished take on human psychology and sexual dynamics. .

Getting laid as a gay guy is really easy and does not require much seduction as long as you have a nice Grindr pic. Since I'm more LTR oriented, I enjoy the seduction process and love having an attractive partner so I do practice some seduction techniques to maintain my current relationship. I find that nearly all advice here applies to men to varying degrees. I'm wondering what your experience has been, if you've tried it and don't mind sharing.

[–]halfback910[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I've used multiple analogies. It's the difference between fishing and having the fish jump out of the water, crawl onto your plate, and cook and season themselves. Sometimes they use too much garlic or, inexplicably, oregano, but it's fine either way. Very little effort involved.

[–]reecewagner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I quite like that I was able to read the majority of your story without even wondering about your sexuality. So much of this sub is focused on women and pussy, and here I am taking legit lessons on manliness from a dude who doesn't care about either. Bravo, bud.

[–]Christiaan511 14 points15 points  (0 children)

you used law 16 of the 48 laws of power perfectly Law 16: Use absence to increase respect and honor

[–]d0lphinsex 55 points56 points  (13 children)

Irrational arguments always Trumps rational arguments. He AMOG:ed you. He attacked your image. He used the same tactics that Trump used in the debates. Read some posts from Scott Adams blog. Great comeback though.

[–]dogfck 18 points19 points  (7 children)

This was a good read, but 20 years from now OP's 'Chad' is gonna be ahead in the game. People aren't nearly as rational as they give themselves credit for. OP might have won that battle, but in the bigger picture, he'll lose the war.

[–]halfback910[S] 64 points65 points  (5 children)

In most industries, I think you'd be correct. But in data analytics everything is 100% transparent and everything is 100% measurable based on data. As we saw in the end. He couldn't deny he fucked up. It was impossible.

Chad was unemployed for six months before he came here. And now he's unemployed again. What's he going to do? Tell employers he was unemployed for nine months? Tell them he was unemployed for six months then fired after three months? Lie? Lying is a dangerous game in the job search.

None of his options right now are great. He needs to find a job beneath him, hold it for a little while, then find a leg up. Maybe Chads in general do better, but this Chad in particular is very much a goose with an injured wing at this point.

[–]dogfck 24 points25 points  (2 children)

The point you were making in your post is not lost. Take what you learned from 'Chad' and apply it to your situation. You saw first hand what TRP can do in spite of incompetence. Now add your skill set on top of that and you'll be killing it, bro.

[–]Psynaut 10 points11 points  (1 child)

He may not be able to do the job, but with that level of incompetence he will make a fantastic manager and leader. /s (I have nearly universal contempt for all managers and leaders whom have never done the job they manage, because they all suck at it)

[–]jewishsupremacist88 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is exactly where he's going to wind up.

[–]COLIE53 2 points3 points  (0 children)

what indicated that? his losing a large sum of money for a company and staining not only his but the companies reputation? He got a train ran on him by the laws of power. This guy aint winning anything for a while bud....

[–]LogicalTampon 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Just a theory about your theory and about the red pill theory.

What you wrote only made me come to the conclusion that TRP effect of being Alpha and super confident no matter what (even if you're wrong) only brings out the inner retardation and pathetic assessment of other people who fall for it. This is why I don't think you should give a fuck. Let's call him "Chad" for the luls. This guy is clearly a douche bag, and the people who fell for his shit were equally as dumb. People who actually had a brain noticed it quickly and didn't fall for it. Those are the people you should be looking to get close with. Why would you want to be a Chad and fool a bunch of idiots into throwing themselves at you.

What you did wasn't beta but alpha in itself. You made a concrete decision to let this guy fuck up knowing that it would be in your benefit. You did what you had to do, and it's guaranteed people there respect you more and see you in a more alpha position. All you need to to act rightfully confident in everything you do there now because you don't need to pretend to. The only thing I think you need to work on is to just better express who you really are, which is clearly TRP as fuck.

The TRP action you saw was more TRPFIAF. (The Red Pill Fake It And Fool)

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Great read man. It's a tough pill to swallow at first but eventually the reality of it slams you in the face. Amazing job at taking back what was yours

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

"I had to get rid of him, even if it meant putting his kids in the bread lines."

Cold OP

love it

[–]Grimsterr 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Valid tactic, give someone enough rope, they'll hang themselves.

Sorta dealing with that at work now but not at near that level, nor is the other guy all that bad at his job, he's just TOO ambitious and is biting off more than he can chew, and it's starting to show to even those who love him. I just make sure the things I keep recommending are well documented and every time what I recommend could be handy I am sure to let those affected know "yeah if we had better <x> I could fix this".

That rope seems to be coiling around his neck a bit now.... tick tock man, tick tock.

[–]halfback910[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Yup. Always, always document everything. You know why?

You get to choose what documentation gets lost. When shit hits the fan, present the pieces favorable to you. Exfoliate everything unfavorable. If someone else HAS those unfavorable documents too, oh well. You didn't gain or lose anything. Never claim they don't exist.

[–]TheSlicemanCometh 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Biggest takeaway imo here is when you get a new job don't go around stepping on everyones toes. This idiot would probably still have a job if he befriend OP and allied.

Then after a long time of learning his job he could very subtlety sink the knife in his back.

The problem with this guy is he was stupid. Don't go in to a new job guns blazing.

Ps fuck sportsball

[–]biggerbetterjobs 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Must've felt so sweet to get that revenge lol.

[–]halfback910[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It was pretty great. And I'd be lying if I said I didn't sexualize it just a little bit.

I wish I could have taken a more active role in the whole thing (rather than fucking him over in absentia) but at least this way my hands stayed clean.

[–]Euphoricentia 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sounds like a job well done to me. Always good to escape and the company will realize how valuable you are to the company.

[–]halfback910[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I like the "employers are like women" analogy.

[–]Sonos 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This needs to be posted in revengeporn.

[–]Ace2021 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That was some very Machiavellian shit, and I'm sure a 48 Laws of Power aficionado would be able to draw some lessons from this as well. Good read 10/10.

[–]dandons 1 points1 points [recovered]

Good job. You strategically got revenge. Best way to do it. I must say that its great to see a gay man on trp. I would be extremely interested to see a post from you about what it is like to be gay. I'm just curious.

[–]halfback910[S] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I would be extremely interested to see a post from you about what it is like to be gay. I'm just curious.

Well, it primarily involves having sex with men. And thanks.

[–]juliusstreicher 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Why not go to a bi-curious sub?

[–]Mr-Ed209 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Interesting point on how often people don't appreciate work that they don't physically see getting accomplished. It's something I've struggled with in the past, if i can see a task I can get done quickly I do it. No fuss, just like to tick it off my list so to speak.

The incompetent folk who run to the boss and take twice as long to get even the most simplest of tasks done seem to get the praise. Their bosses see the 'effort' of them going back and forth and running around and mistake it as some sort of work ethic. If you get things done without asking questions, more often than not people will look at you as if you're not doing anything. Its the catch 22 of where being good at your job makes you seem lazy.

I hate the need to pander to management at times.

[–]halfback910[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yup. That's why it's nice to give the boss an "update". Just to let them know you did this, this, and this. This thing you did is still going really well. Everything is under control.

[–]sweetmagwheels 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This should be made into a movie.

[–]Redpillbrigade17 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah beware the charismatic smooth talker who is good at getting hired, but terrible at doing the job. The longer they last, and the faster they get promoted the worse the organization becomes.

[–]10xdada 23 points24 points  (36 children)

To OP, welcome to the fold. We are on opposite teams, but playing the same sport. Nice play.

It's really important to understand what a TRP guy is up against once you develop the presence and charisma.

When you look at people who survive in organizations, what are the skills that keep them there? They may be uninteresting, not the sort of people you would socialize with, with limited ambition and a complete inability to inspire others but never, NEVER, underestimate their survival tools. Watch the boring and stupid ones. If you don't know what makes them deadly enough to survive in such an unremarkable way, watch your back.

The OP pretty masterfully calculated how much risk his company's customer relationships would bear, and measured out how much sabotage the company could survive, then used it essentially as a personal line of credit to focus it and burn a rival.

The OP is what I would typically call a piece of shit, the sort of person an officer would have traditionally executed on a battlefield, but some specimens are so exemplary you just have to take your hat off to them. Dude, nothing personal, this is just the post game.

The higher up you get in an industry, the more likely you are to encounter people who survive using a similar calculus. This is the game you need to know how to win. Not talk, not explain, but reason about and win.

I have a draft of a post about this kicking around somewhere, as this guy operated in the organization like a woman. That he's a gay dude is fairly consistent, as they develop successful ways to operate outside the hierarchical way that men usually organize in. Throughout history, gay men have always been close to political power for that reason. The most successful ones are not what anyone would call great and admirable men, but they often become politically powerful in a similar way to how women do. Guys who say "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned," have clearly never fucked with the gays.

"Chad's" key asset came at a cost of his attention to detail. His assets were charisma but also a higher risk tolerance for uncertainty on estimates, which helps organizations in a lot of ways that OP probably doesn't get.

The true mistake was smack talking the OP, who he should have recognized he needed as if not an ally, at least neutralized earlier. Gossiping was a bitch move on this "Chad's" part, along with underestimating how far someone like the OP will go to fuck him. Chad was right in isolating the OP out of the gate, but he failed to deliver the right killing blow.

This is a great post and story. From a TRP perspective, the OP is what happens when you don't deliver the killing blow.

[–]halfback910[S] 17 points18 points  (33 children)

Nice analysis. You stroked my ego a bit. Thanks.

The OP is what I would typically call a piece of shit,

May I ask why? To be completely clear, I was not going to go after him til he came after me. I just wanted to do business; he wanted to put me out of business. I was perfectly willing to let him go be stupid somewhere til he came after my lunch.

Or is it just because of my tactics? I'm a piece of shit because I didn't out-Chad the Chad. I out-nerded the Chad and that's dishonorable or something?

I'm new to this as I mentioned and am curious as to the rationale. Because, certainly from a moral perspective, I feel I did nothing wrong. Though I certainly don't consider myself a moral or good person in general. I met his kids and wife and looked them in the eyes knowing I was trying to get their husband/father fired, smiled, went home, ate dinner, had sex, and slept just fine. But it was self defense, arguably.

[–]RamblingBanana 15 points16 points  (6 children)

He dislikes you because he feels he cannot relate to your personality, and feels that he can relate to "chad's". You presented yourself as a threat to him and people like himself, which is why despite respecting your efforts, he doesn't think highly of you. Him bringing morals into it is him rationalizing.

[–]10xdada 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Considered this. In a large org, or institution the OP does really well, you maybe even use him as your enforcer, so long as you never give him too much power. But, if you are a small team focused on an objective for the teams survival, you have to cut that guy.

[–]martinger 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I guess it's valid to mention your points. But what would you do differently in such a situation? I'm really interested in your opinion.

[–]indivisibleremainder 7 points8 points  (0 children)

this is the most unique post i've ever read here

[–]AussiePhil82 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Massive bonus that you got to leave Marseille too because that's the biggest shithole in Europe.

Made the mistake of going there a few years ago; felt like I'd stepped through wormhole to Africa.

[–]russbussdp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I employ the same tactic at work. I AMOG and pretty much do the bare minimum. IT WORKS! The difference between me and this guy is that I know the work thoroughly and when shit hits the fan I have the ability to step in and save the day. When things are easy sailing though I kick up my feet, let everyone else do the work and bullshit about lifting with the manager. Not saying it's fair or right, but what I am saying is that I do it.

[–]phoenixtoast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've long known that it doesn't matter if you're actually good at your job, all that matters is that people like you or not. Doesn't matter if you're sweeping the floor or calculating rocket trajectories, all people care about is if you smile and give them a warm fuzzy feeling. Well in my experience the incompetents know exactly how to dig in and survive while making you look like the loser, it's refreshing to finally read about one of them getting canned. Fuck that non-reactive, taking the high road approach. It's getting old. Good to see someone prevailing for once over the mountain of bullshit.

[–]SpyMonkey3D 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Brilliant use of Law 16: Use Absence to Increase Respect and Honor.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is more a field report, than finance. Solid post, brother.

I thought these were rational people. NOPE

Read that CIA negotiator book I recommended over MRP. Hint: (or "the red pill of human interactions"): we are NOT rational beings and we will NEVER EVER be rational.

Overall, solid post. And welcome.

[–]johnnyboy11111 3 points4 points  (0 children)

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah if this were real, the contents of this post would eventually get back to OP for failure to double check on his junior's work. Good shit post though. 10/10, would give all the karma points if I could.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You were the Chad in this situation. Actually knowing how to do your job & demonstrating it affords you status in the company. You have leverage to fit her your career, while the other dumb ass who apparently was acting like it was highschool is out of a job and is an embarrassment whose career will go to shit. His wife's probably fucking some dude on the side, lol.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"I went to France and had two and a half glorious weeks with a guy there whom I am very attracted to" Hmm, are you gay male or a female? I'm confused

[–]bountyhunterdjango 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Money talks, you stupid cunt".

Awesome job dude, sometimes unfortunately, many people value charisma and a 'dominant personality' over actual skill. It's one of the things this sub is most right about, crafting both for yourself is where you really hit the jackpot.

[–]Borsao66 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Law 9: Win Through Your Actions - Never Through Argument

Any momentary triumph you think you have gained through argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary change of opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you through your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I put in vacation time for three weeks about three months in advance, knowing almost exactly to the day when we would be out of stock, because unlike him I'm actually good at what I do.

Brilliant. Machiavelli would be proud.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice post. At the end, you won. But:

"At the end of the day, money talks, you stupid cunt. Welcome to the jungle, I hope your wife and kids have to go on SNAP, fuck you and the used Camaro you rode in on."

This is just bitterness showing. Aim to become a stronger man, but learn to empathize and ask, "what makes someone do what they do?" When you truly understand it, you will become a better man for it.

This guy was confident on a subject he didn't know very well yes, but the only reason he got away with it(for a time) is because you didn't put your foot down. "Listen buddy, I'm the big boss analyst around here, so take a step back and don't touch my forecasts."

"So I started using logic and my knowledge of statistics to explain in our meetings why his ideas were wrong. Big fucking mistake."

This is only a mistake because you didn't know or weren't confident to reiterate. Logic and statistics will always beat an argument just as long as you are able to confidently and smoothly show your points and crumble the other person's argument.

All of this could have been avoided if you had some balls tbh. Good luck

[–]LOST_TALE[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Your company is shit. I wouldn't stay there. Out-compete all these morons back down the competence hierarchy.

Morons reach critical morass and drive out the square root who make half the productivity. Then we fuck it up from a new ship.

After reading: seems like this is a good example on how to turn bs into an opportunity!

[–]Arilandon 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Which was unfortunate because he was pretty hot and fun to look at.

Are you a homosexual? Why would a heterosexual guy care about another guy being hot? Or maybe you're a woman?

[–]pcnub1234 1 point2 points  (7 children)

"And I taught Chad a very valuable lesson too: At the end of the day, money talks, you stupid cunt. Welcome to the jungle, I hope your wife and kids have to go on SNAP, fuck you and the used Camaro you rode in on."

Jesus dude you sound so fucking bitter.

[–]red_matrix 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Good job. I hate these Machiavellian, passive aggressive fucks. At least you had the brains to see the implosion coming and basically made this asshole eat his own lunch. You post screams of the 48 Laws of power!

[–]SiulaGrande 8 points9 points  (2 children)

you do realize that what he did is machiavellian, right? machiavellian =/= passive aggressive. there's people on here who have been the little guy their whole life and are now lashing out. eventually they will come into balance as they gain more maturity and life experience.

i just wanted to set the record straight with your vocab, that's all. and by the way, the 48 laws of power are incredibly machiavellian. machiavellian philosophy is basically just "the ends justify the means"; morals and morality bear no relevance, and all that matters is the approach that yields the best result, even if it's "immoral" and does some damage to some people (what OP did to his coworker).

have a nice day

[–]hyugafan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dear god, that gave me a justice boner. Welcome to the jungle indeed, man.

[–]Hnikud 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Great job OP very detailed and I saw some of the points made here. Now what would be the way of confronting someone moving in your turf, or even better what would be the correct way to become the new alpha as a newcomer.

[–]halfback910[S] 14 points15 points  (5 children)

I guess just be an obnoxious douche like him: Become straight, talk about sports, work out chest more, then intentionally wear tight shirts to show it off, buy a highly overrated and fuel-inefficient automobile that's associated with masculinity, park it where everyone can see, make fun of my betters, and keep talking about how I totally got laid at least twice (which is how I view talking about your kids).

[–]Hnikud 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I will apply this in a more rational way, and by the way great revenge story mate. My goal is to mix logic and this character and see what lies down the path.

[–]halfback910[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Thanks. I'm never going to buy a muscle car, though. I don't like ostentatious consumption and I think any part of the car that does not facilitate you getting from A to B or being more comfortable in the car is just ostentation. So for instance, ornamentation, flair, etc. Ostentatious consumption has never sat well with me on principle. It feels decadent and wrong.

Also to be clear, I was at least slightly joking.

[–]Hnikud 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Haha I do not like muscle cars either, I like the Porsche 911 more. You have a point though, your way of thought is interesting. Do you practice Stoicism?

[–]halfback910[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

No, it's more that I have a very special, loving relationship with Capitalism and money and dislike consumerism so I strive to be an example of how Capitalism and consumerism are not the same thing.

That being said, I'm a stoic for like 9 hours M-F while I'm at work. Nobody except my one friend knows anything about my outside life. And she and I conduct most of our friend-chat via texting while at work and save the deep dish shit for when we're grabbing drinks after. And she's the same way. I'm 90% sure nobody else there even knows we're friends.

[–]Hnikud 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You have a good point they're not the same thing, and that is good for your image at work. Wish you good luck haha.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (14 children)

May I ask what education you got for that job? Quantative finance?

[–]halfback910[S] 1 point2 points  (13 children)

Haha. Human Resources. And then I learned I hated humans and loved inventory and numbers. So I switched trajectory.

[–]TRPAndNofapGotMeLaid 1 points1 points [recovered]

I see. Anyways you did good putting that man in his place. Just for context, may I ask if you are homosexual?

[–]halfback910 1 points1 points [recovered]

may I ask if you are homosexual?

Yup yup.

How does game work with guys?

It doesn't. There's no game. Everyone wants sex all the time and it's super easy to get it. It's like the difference between having to pull water from a well or just having a stream to dunk your face into.

Or maybe you are bi?

Nope. Gayer than a cum-flavored popsicle.

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[–]Shaman6624 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Handsome only gets you a good first impression, if you're actually stupid you have no durable influence.

[–]tanqop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amazing post. Very good read. I wish you success.

[–]-VaeVictis- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amazing comeback man.

That was something straight out of 48 laws of power. You should read the book if you haven't already.

[–]_MysticFox 1 points1 points [recovered]

Damn, you took shit from your coworkers for a full 3 months before he fucked up?

[–]halfback910[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, since we buy things from China it just takes 3 months for fuck-ups to be noticed by anyone but analysts. But yes, I put up with the derision for 3 months or so and waited patiently. I don't actually care about any of their opinions, I was mostly just annoyed that my warnings weren't being enacted.

[–]JimmyHustle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is so fucking awesome... Respect brother.

[–]omargrunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good for you buddy. You orchestrated a symphony power moves behind the scenes bravo.

[–]beginner_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not an "alpha". I'll be the first to admit that. I'm active, fit, successful, but when it comes to straight out pissing contests, I generally lose. "Winning through sheer confidence and aggression" has never been my MO and likely never will be. Indirect confrontation is where I tend to thrive.

How you handled that story seems pretty alpha to me. Not sure I could do it. It has confidence in it, eg. that you can actually fix his fuckups, being selfish at the cost of him and the company. Most people would not be able to pull this off. Well done, Sir.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fucking stupidity of women is really a mind blower when it really clicks on a deep level.

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh bro, that was superb!

Check this out, I think it's you I know it's me.

great read too, well written, thanks for sharing

[–]kokoke 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is really good material on office dynamics and I've actually learned something valuable from this, so thanks for that.

Question, If he had tried to work with you rather than undercut you, would you have taken a mentorship role with him and taught him the ropes, knowing that he could potentially take your job if he became good enough?

Another question, what would be good form to practice if you were Chad in this scenario. Do you try to befriend the guy who you were brought in to replace or do you immediately set yourself apart from him and take over, after all, he was brought into a leadership position and he had to perform as a leader right?

[–]halfback910[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well he wasn't brought in to replace me. There was zero reason we couldn't get along. The issue he is that he was obviously trying to get rid of me.

If he had been cool, I would have been cool. I don't know that I would have gone out of my way to bro it out with him, but I certainly wouldn't have gone out of my way to hurt him.

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