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Field ReportFR: From meeting at party to fucking up a kiss to fucking her. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by hjkl4life

First post. Be gentle.

1 week ago at a party I threw, a girl mentioned as she poured her drink at the home-bar:

"My friend thinks you are hot!"

I am not hot. I'd say I'm like a 7 on looks alone but with style, charisma and frame I push that to an 8.

The girl's friend in question was a solid 6.5 herself. Short, cute face and tight-but-not-skinny body. Looks to be fast approaching the wall. I later found out she was 28.

I'd had been bantering with her before and noticed a lot of eye contact. I had made sure to not spend too much time with just her; there was a party to run and other girls to game. She definitely noticed when I'd leave her to go talk to another girl or guest. Want to know what a girl is thinking; learn to read her eyes.

Anyways, after her friend mentioned this (BTW this was completely out of nowhere, I wasn't even speaking to her at the time) I just played it cool, said something like "oh yeah?" and just smiled at her. The friend said "yeah", finished pouring her drink and went outside to the girl-interested.

Sometimes saying less is more. Sometimes, saying less means you don't fuck up something that's working for you.

20 mins later I run into the girl-interested, she's pouring herself a drink now and giving me all sorts of eye contact. I'm standing next to her. We talk a little. She says she knows how to make gin drinks. I ask her to make me one. She does. We cheers and take a sip. Next thing I say:

"I'm in a good mood today."

"Why?"

"Doesn't matter, I'm gonna try something"

I go in for a kiss. It works and we make out.

(In my mind I had no idea that was gonna work. I've been on a bender just trying things instead of overthinking them because failing is more rewarding than never trying. You get a form of mental closure).

Fast forward to 3 days ago. We had exchanged numbers and planned a hang out for Sunday but it was Saturday and somehow I had managed to plan another date for Sunday with a way hotter girl I knew was DTF (we used to fuck before) so I just randomly texted this girl and asked she wanted to grab drinks on Saturday night instead. She said yes.

I meet up with her at a bar close to my place.

We grab drinks and talk about random things. Some 10 minutes in I'm feeling confident as shit because I've already kissed this girl a week earlier. We take tequila shots. I go in for a kiss. REJECTED.

I play it cool and chuckle. She says:

"I haven't dated in a while"

"Sorry, I thought I saw a green light there."

Short, simple and to the point.

She's awkward as shit after this but I pretend that it's all normal and go back to the conversation we were having. The look on her face is priceless. It's like she cannot fathom why I'm making such a non-deal about her rejection. She brings it up again in the middle of conversation:

"I need to ask, are you like just looking for a hookup?"

"I'm just in a bar having a drink with a girl I think is cute."

She laughs and can't believe how nonchalant I'm being. She says:

"I'm not coming over tonight."

I just laugh and continue what we were talking about before. This send her the right vibe and she loosens up.

Own your frame. If she tries to rattle it, just ignore and continue as you wish. This requires an actual frame and not a pretend-one. Easier said than done IMO

10 mins later she grabs me and kisses me.

Next thing you know we're making out at the bar like college kids. (To my horror since it's a bar I frequent and the staff knows me. I'll see how this works out, haven't been back yet.)

45 minutes later we're at my place under the pretense of me showing her how to play guitar. I make her a drink and we go out to the patio to smoke some weed. She say:

"We're not having sex tonight"

"We're not doing anything you're not comfortable doing tonight."

15 minutes later we're fucking like dogs.

We order pizza, watch some standup and fuck 4 more times before passing out. Girl had moves too; this was not her first rodeo.

Wake up, fuck again, she says she had fun and leaves.

Haven't heard from her since. Probably will.

New plate.

Lessons learned:

  • Sometimes saying less is more.
  • Always make your intentions be known. I did (via over-confidence) by trying to kiss her 10 minutes into the date. It did not work but it showed her exactly what I wanted. This helped me later.
  • Frame is everything. Take rejection like a boss. Always be unfazed by circumstances. Own the moment like you were born for it and she will notice. This means being comfortable with your situation, even if it's not the one you wanted.
  • When a girl says something like "I'm not having sex with you" out of nowhere, it's because she's attracted to you trying to convince herself not to.
  • Make her feel comfortable without killing the sexual energy. It'll work in your favor.

[–]strikethrough123 22 points23 points  (2 children)

It was just LMR. You should've known you had it in the bag as soon as she said "I'm not coming over tonight". What do you think is going on in her head when she makes that satetement? She's thinking about her, coming over, tonight.

[–]SiulaGrande 4 points5 points  (0 children)

hahaaaa straight the fuck UP! it always cracks me up hearing that shit

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (9 children)

Great FR. I mean obviously you were dealt a nice hand right from the get go but you stick handled it well from there. As can be seen here, if a chick digs you, it's not the screw-ups that kibosh the deal but rather how you recover from there. If you can maintain confidence, the screw-up may even be considered charming by the girl.

But as I type this I wonder whether any of these were actual legit screw-ups. It seems like your game was pretty on point. She just reacted to some of moves with a multitude of STs, all of which you handled beautifully.

Also the point about how when girls say "we're not having sex" it's because she's trying to convince herself was SO spot on. As we all mustn't forget, things girls SAY vs do are two completely different beasts.

[–]hjkl4life[S] 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Definitely. When a girl is legitimately attracted to you, you must:

  • Make a move.
  • Not be retarded.

If you can make girls comfortable around you they show their inner conflict. Right after I said let's go to my place at the bar she said something like:

"I shouldn't have said I want to come over"

She didn't actually say she wanted to come over verbally. She was reacting to her own inner conflict of trying to not be a slut (pretty sure she's a former-slut looking to settle) and also deal with her attraction to me.

At my place she was wet as shit. The pussy never lies.

[–]TheOriginalWasBetter 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Also, their giving in to their inner conflict is a sign of their low quality and lack of self-worth. Huge red flag when a woman can't even adhere to her own moral values.

I think it was a Jordan Peterson video I was listening to, but he was talking about how such a significant amount of people are actually having sex with each other while still uncomfortable talking about it with each other. If you're just interested in getting laid then I guess it's not a big deal, but in terms of a predictor of the woman's suitability for an LTR a woman who is willing to have sex before being comfortable talking about it is probably extremely likely to cheat.

[–]hjkl4life[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love me some Jordan Peterson!

[–]SiulaGrande 12 points13 points  (2 children)

the reason girls say "we're not having sex" is indeed because she's trying to convince herself that's not going to happen. why is that?

because women don't want to feel like sluts. if it's obvious that they're going to fuck, she'll feel ashamed of herself because girls are wired that way and hate feeling like they're just being taken advantage of for their vagina. but when she says "we're not having sex" and OP is like no problem, then in her mind she's back to "just hanging out with this charming guy", and if they have sex LATER, it's because oh hey wow things just escalated and it happened NATURALLY and SHE wanted to because SHE was attracted to HIM.

women hate feeling like they're just being used for sex, but they love having sex... as long as they don't have any reason to feel like a slut and be ashamed of themselves etc. if OP made it clear that all he wanted was sex from her, she'd probably feel disgusted and like she was being used, but since OP gave her hamster what it wanted to hear, she felt like sex was HER idea since SHE was attracted to HIM and SHE decided she wanted to fuck HIM, not the other way around.

shit's wild once you internalize female psychology. i know you already knew all this I just like having these discussion on here because there's still a fair amount of TRP readers who don't really get it on that level. once you understand female nature, gaming them makes perfect sense.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup I agree with you 100 percent. Took the words out of my mouth.

[–]Peter_B_Long 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yeah I don't consider going in for a kiss a 'fuck up'. The fuck up would've been not going in for a kiss. I'm sure OP would've went for it one more time (if she hadn't initiated) and then proudly accepted defeat if he was rejected again.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The number of times I've thought in dealing with women, "I wish I had been LESS confident, bold, assertive, forward..." - zero

[–]Peter_B_Long 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea same here. Even with a pretty blue eyed girl, I tried holding her hand and she pulled, called me out, and said that we had to be friends first. The majority would say that I shouldn't of made a move, but I say that I should've went for it again.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 108 points109 points  (26 children)

what I found interesting about this FR was that you're more polite than I expect anyone to be to get away with it and get laid. One of the tenants on here is to never apologize unless you really f-ed up. You also bounced around the hookup question. What happened to being direct with what you really want? (example online game they'll say to put your intentions out there. be honest. be congruent) She asked so it's not like you sperged first. Not antagonizing here I truly want to understand why this works as apposed to all the material I read.

[–][deleted] 220 points221 points  (9 children)

Believe it or not, girls are human beings. It's not like they're these computers where if you punch in one wrong command they go ERROR ERROR. SYNTAX ERROR. ABORT, ABORT.....

Plus, sometimes it's not what you say, it's how you say it. I'm thinking OP said it forcefully and with confidence and not sheepishly with his head down.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 164 points165 points  (5 children)

contrary to popular belief, women dont' like assholes. Women like assertion

It's just that assholes heavily overlap with assertive men.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Can confirm. I'm a huge asshole. Not always on purpose. I get a lot of attention for my assertiveness but I've also lost count of the number of chicks who have totally shut down emotionally or gotten really upset and offended. I don't mean put-her-on-her-heels offended I mean like legitimately "how could you say that shit to someone" offended.

Assertive AND a good person is better than just being a sociopath.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 7 points8 points  (3 children)

it's tangential to being successful. both do just fine. Sociopaths do slightly better, especially nowadays

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I would agree that in business being a sociopath is better. In LTR's it's toxic.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Op is fucking chicks at parties

[–]Jack0fDiamonds 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol sociopaths do better because they systematically manipulate everyone in an obsessive manner.

[–]CrodudeClassic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

bein

True. Delivery is arguably more important than what you actually say. Two people can tell the same joke but whoever delivers it better is the superior comedian.

[–]hjkl4life[S] 44 points45 points  (3 children)

One of the tenants on here is to never apologize unless you really f-ed up.

Saying "Sorry I thought I saw a green light" with a shit-eating-grin looking her directly in the eyes with confidence and then immediately going back to what you were talking about pre-kiss as if nothing happened is barely an apology. It also communicates that I'm not sorry about trying to kiss her; I'm sorry that we didn't end up kissing. At least it felt like that in the moment.

You also bounced around the hookup question. What happened to being direct with what you really want?

Know what you want and make it obvious without being direct. If I had said: "Yeah, I just want to hook up with you" she would have ended the date right there. It might have worked in college but I don't really know; I was a loser in college.

By ignoring her direct question, stating what we're doing in the moment and moving on to conversation, I put her at ease. She realizes I'm not going to give her a direct answer and that I'm willing to keep conversing with her even knowing that she does not want a hookup. It makes her think I'm not that desperate about sex. It makes her think I have options. It let's her inner slut take a breath and relax. At least, these are the the things that are going through her mind.

Women are drawn to indirectness. It keeps the mystery going and the hamster working.

With sexuality, be confident, not direct.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"Sorry I thought I saw a green light" with a shit-eating-grin looking her directly in the eyes with confidence

Ok you're sub communicating here that you're not really sorry and you're bold.

It might have worked in college but I don't really know;

I had friends in college that would pull "nice shoes, lets fuck" and actually get laid off it. they weren't handsome either. Just a few drinks in and cocky.

With sexuality, be confident, not direct.

This is a gold line right here.

Great stuff glad you gave me the bigger picture

[–]fuckeduphomebody 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"I need to ask, are you like just looking for a hookup?"

You did well /u/hjkl4life. You moved on to conversation.

Jesus /u/awalt_cupcake. It was a big shit test.

[–]SiulaGrande 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yup, bingo. you played your cards well man

[–]willowhawk 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Being an dickhead works but you have to mix it with being nice aswell. You can't bully a girl into having sex with you, some girls you can but not mentally healthy ones.

I am a dickhead. Literally lads and girls will identify me as a dickhead because I do and say what I want. However that doesn't mean I don't have tact. With guys I'm not ruining friendships because I'm loyal and sound. And with girls I'm not a dickhead because I am making themselves feel bad, I'm a dickhead because I'm laughing and making fun at their expense. Within all this I always do best when it's established I'm a dickhead and then I drop a couple of nice things in. Coming from me with massive value at this point they just lap it up. And it always makes sex easier.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 7 points8 points  (3 children)

You absolute can bully pretty much any girl into having sex with you if you are high enough value. A lot of people having this misconception of "good intelligent high self esteem girls" requiring a more upstanding gentlemanly "benevolent alpha" sort of game, whereas the trash thots with father issues and tattoos will take your negging and abuse and get wet as a lake. This is not entirely wrong, but it's a false dichotomy, and it's missing the key point.

How much of a bully / actual asshole (as in, not cocky funny PU asshole, but like an actual asshole) you can be is directly correlated with your SMV. Most men experience this point at which it becomes more harmful to act more asshole, and they conclude "well you need X% asshole, any more is detrimental".

But that's not true universally, it's only true for them. If they were higher SMV, they could get away with more. Even with the educated, healthy self esteem hot chicks. This idea that "you have to mix it in with nice" is a fine personal strategy if that's what floats your boat, but it's not universal truth.

Every girl has a threshold for how much abuse they'll take, and that threshold is mainly based on how much they want you, and not based on any personality trait of their own.

[–]willowhawk -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Do you not realise what you are saying in your entire comment?

You repeatedly say the higher your value the more you can "get away with bullying" a girl. By your own admission bullying someonr a lot is not good because you have to have the value to "get away" with it.

Sure it's a good indication of your value: how much you can get away. However, I was talking about behaviour which makes the girls most likely to have sex with you. That behaviour is bullying mixed with niceness.

I suggest you either talk to more girls, or read Models.

I've been the Bully who's nailed girls without ever saying a nice thing to them. But that odd time when I don't give an ass hole response and give something genuine or nice it has made my path to sex all the more easier.

Models goes into detail about this while dynamic. You can always tell who on red pill is an armchair enthusiast spouting rethoric and who actually has sex with girls, by their response to the book. Guys who wanna act "alpha" come out with shite about it being bluepill not realising their own borderline autistic thinking when it comes how to be an attractive guy to a women.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And you can tell who's reading Models and spouting it when they say stuff like "you can't bully mentally heathy girls into having sex with you". Fact - you can, and that's something you're admitting later. I am not saying it is the only way or best way, but simply that the notion of asshole game or bullying only working on sluts / low self-esteem girls is false.

Being nice or not to women is up to the individual, but it's armchair jerking to act like it's necessary or superior for getting ONS. Setting up LTRs, sure.

Also, I'm not sure where you are making the leap of logic to "bully is bad because you have to have value to get away with it". ALL ballsy flirtation and direct, fast track escalation - taking the AF path not the BB path if you will - requires value. The faster you're trying to skip beta steps and get her out of her pants, the more value you need. It doesn't make it bad that you need value to do it. Bullying isn't good or bad, it's something that worked if you have sufficient value to get quick pussy. It's not the only way, but if someone's out here talking about how it only works on low quality girls or mentally unhealthy girls, then they are talking out of their ass and need to be corrected.

You are doing exactly what I'm saying in my previous post. Because you have enough value to fuck via a combination of alpha / beta game, you're declaring that the balance you have found between the two is the best balance. So you are claiming that your balance of asshole / nice is the ideal, and turning subjective experience into an objective statement and calling guys who don't agree borderline autistic or whatever. In reality, other guys who have higher value can and do run less nice and put in less effort to fuck the girls you think demand a balance of the two.

[–]Fulp_Piction 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If you communicate that you're just looking for a hookup directly you remove some plausible deniability on her end, she'll do the "Actually, I'm not a slut" thing in her head.

Perhaps it depends on the girl and your value, but I find that an "I'm not looking for anything/just looking to enjoy myself" answer works best.

But, if you're abundant, then you can afford to be brutally honest, but that's only if the question isn't a shit test (which it is 9/10) - so the answer is probably something like. "A hookup? I'd have to ask my mom first" or some other comedically dismissive retort.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

if he's got a point and a half on her she may allow it. The manners were backed up my insistence

[–]fuckeduphomebody -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Stop taking into account everything you read here. Read and then build your own experience.

There is no magic lines or gimmick.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 0 points1 point  (2 children)

see the number at the top of my account? means I've applied experience and written results on here that I've gained. doesn't mean I know everything like some daygame god so shut it.

[–]fuckeduphomebody -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

What are you trying to prove ? I don't care how huge your dick is.

You may have posted a lot, but those are not high quality posts for the main part.

So what ? I still found that your first comment here is not good. That's all.

Also, you are rude.

[–]185poundsofhatredWIP 46 points47 points  (12 children)

Well, you're not hot, but in the end you're 8/10 which is the top 10%. Seriously.

[–]hjkl4life[S] 74 points75 points  (11 children)

Totally agree. That being said:

  • Until 1.5 years ago I was skinny-fat and a solid 5. Then I found TRP and started killing it at the gym. This took me to a 6. You'd be surprised what some muscle mass does to you.
  • I changed my clothing and hairstyle completely; fuck the hoodies, loose jeans and unkempt hair. I found clothes that fit, barbers that knew what they were doing and that took me to a 7.
  • I developed serious frame. I've always had some semblance of frame but I was able to turn what was once a pretentious prison rooted in a visible sense of superiority into a useful attitude of indifference grounded in knowing what I want. It is very important to know what you want. The hardest lesson I've learned. I'm still learning.

[–]WhackTheFuck 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Knowing what you want in life is the biggest thing to know. I was surprised to see how few women think in those terms. Maybe because their mission is to leach of a successful male? Dunno.. But I know even Buddha said if you dont know whats your mission - then to find it out IS your mission.

Good fr. I like how even if you're just chilling with a girl and she is bent on sex, she will start the "dont expect sex now" talk, even if I am not nowhere near thinking about it. But that helps to put things into perspective, almost 99% sure when they spout shit like that - sex IS happening.

But shit like that used to fuck men up big time. The disparity of whats being said and what is being communicated.

[–]hjkl4life[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

That is why we have TRP; to understand reality.

The blue pill will tell you to feed off of your emotions; TRP gives us clarity.

[–]WhackTheFuck 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah I think we are all born redpill. I remember my dreams when I was a kid, to have a fucking harem and fuck every day, to skydive and be big and strong. Its only later that you get fucked and brainwashed.

I look at trp as correction of limiting beliefs. In reality out emotions are good for many things, our instincts and gut feeling. But you can use those only if you are calibrated right. (for example, beta mindset will have one emotional reaction to shit test, and alpha another. One emotion will make beta succumb, and alpha will say fuck that shit and move on/pass) And that requires getting back to your roots as a man.

No man was born beta. But many learn to cope with it. I believe we are all born to be leaders and slayers. There is not a gene to program followers or losers or whatever. We are all supposed to be winners. Question is, are you living up to your potential? And that is in each individual's hands. What are you settling for?

[–]supremelummox 4 points5 points  (5 children)

More info on knowing what you want please. Seems like a big problem for me.

[–]hjkl4life[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Ask yourself:

"If I had absolutely no restrictions (money, etc) what would I like to be doing later tonight?"

[–]supremelummox 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Not very interesting answers come to mind. I should probably spend more time thinking about it?

[–]hjkl4life[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The answers don't have to be interesting to anyone but yourself. If you're unhappy with your answers then your mind is telling you something. You should listen to it.

Don't spend too much time thinking about it. Do things that you are either good at or want to try on a whim. If any of those things feel good, maybe do more of that.

[–]supremelummox 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What about things you probably have to do, but don't feel that good? Like working and studying.

[–]hjkl4life[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those need to be done hastily and with conviction. This is where discipline comes in and I am severely lacking it.

Not only do they cause stress in your mind they are also obstacles for the real goals you will develop. This is because these activities are competing for time you could be spending working on yourself.

[–]Fonzoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish I could give you two upvotes. where's my throwaway lol

[–]resolutions316 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Own your frame. If she tries to rattle it, just ignore and continue as you wish. This requires an actual frame and not a pretend-one. Easier said than done IMO

This is the crux of everything, and probably the toughest thing I've had to deal with since stumbling in here. Not even just with women/sex, but with everything. Strength of frame.

[–]hjkl4life[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed.

Focus like 75% on your energy on that since it helps not only with women but life in general.

[–]vorverk 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Great post, good game.

About the other comments in this thread... I was fat, depressed, no life motivation, shitty job, didnt care about looks and clothes 4 years ago. Then breakup and TRP hapened. Lost 30lbs fat, gained 20 lbs muscle, got a fantastic job, have a large social circle and my clothes are impeckable. Also my game is solid as a rock. Going from 5 to 8 was not easy, so I can imagine most people will never get so far and will never understand what it takes...

[–]hjkl4life[S] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

This.

People are complaining that I'm a 7 or an 8 and that's why it's easy. Man, I'm only a 7/8 because of shit I've learned here.

You should have seen me 4 years ago. A girl wouldn't touch me with a 5 foot pole and even if she did I would have fucked it up.

That's why we are here.

[–]Cozc 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I think one problem is that four years sounds a lot different depending on who you say it to. Putting in four years of work on your x/10 standing is all well and fine when you're 22, but when you're 32 its kinda like well shit now I can only go 4->6 when that kid over there just went 4->8, and if you tell four years to someone who's 18 they'll think you're talking about eternity.

this is something I've been struggling with, bp as it may be, since I didn't really take trp to heart until a bit late, compounded by some other obstacles i foolishly placed in my own way. Seems like the thing that most saps my motivation these days is the idea of "well I've already missed out on x, and even if i start working now ill miss y, so whats the point?"

[–]hjkl4life[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Completely makes sense. Not a day goes by that I don't think about how I missed out in college. When the body was younger and the girls were easier.

Trust me on this; If I had been religiously working on myself the past 4 years, I'd be a solid 8 or 9, not a 7 who can push it to 8 depending on the day.

I still have issues like too much alcohol and a lack of discipline, and those hold me back.

32 is still pretty young. But you're looking at it wrong. It doesn't matter if it's too late or not; You have one fucking life. Do you want next year to be better than this year? Do you want next month to be better than this month? What about tomorrow?

Always work on yourself. Even when you're depressed.

What's better, the depressed guy or the slightly jacked depressed guy?

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, this reminds me of the Wolf of Wallstreet line. When I face my problems, I face them from the back of a limo.

Whatever shit you've heaped on your life, you can face it as a ripped, disciplined, confident man. Or you can face it as a depressed, skinnyfat loser.

When everything in my life sucks, I at least suffer over quinoa and chicken breast, so my brain at least functions clearly, and my body is energetic and posturally sound. This alone makes everything in life seem that much more possible.

[–]Cozc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That last line stuck with me. Good way of looking at things I hadn't considered. Thanks for that

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Your excuses are as real as you want them to be. They can be concrete walls if you want them to be.

Understand this - the time will pass anyway. My friend used to bitch about how he didn't make much money, and I would tell him to learn how to code or go back to school, and he'd always say that would take 2 years! 2 whole years before there would be any return, maybe 3 whole years of toil while the whole time you're thinking "well shit maybe I won't get anything out of this".

But what's the goddamn alternative? The time will pass anyway. Now he's 28 making 45k a year in the bay area, like fucking kill me if I was in that situation. 3 years ago he was making 35k. What is the point of life being him? Why even go on?

Life will pass you by. You're going to get old and you've maybe already gotten old. It sucks and your life will never be as good as it could have been if you started younger. Like a 401k - you can't grow it like I can, because I was maxing that bitch out when I was 22. Sucks for you.

But what are you going to do about it? Be a little bitch and not do what you can? Might as well just kill yourself with that mentality, I could never understand how life could have any meaning to people like that. People who won't sacrifice and work for what they want, so they just sit around despairing about how each year, their goals drift farther and farther away.

One day they wake up, maybe their father dies, maybe their wife leaves them and they want to try. They want it now, they want it bad, they'd pay any price. They'd do anything and they FINALLY have the motivation to go get it. But now, it's actually too late.

I don't know you. But you need to determine "is it actually too late?"

If it's actually too late, then forget this shit. Quit TRP, never come back, ever again. Just enjoy what's left of your husk of a life, and when you die, hopefully you have something of meaning to hold close and say "I did this, my life meant something." Maybe you raised good kids, and maybe for you that's meant to be enough.

But if you decide it's not too late, then you need to live by that decision. If you really think you can do it, you need to believe in yourself. Decide that now - if you aren't going to believe in yourself, you should either just kill yourself or do the above (wait out your life and find meaning in average beta things). If you are going to believe in yourself, then do so and don't question it again.

[–]Cozc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I might have been depressed for the past almost decade but I never thought offing myself was a reasonable solution. I was finally today able to find someone who would give me a shot at a job, and while its physical and (really)low pay it's better than the sitting around I have been doing. Hell with any luck I'll gain some muscle after having recently lost a bunch of weight.

I would be plenty happy with my life if I could raise a couple good kids but I don't know if I would ever be able to allow a woman to have that power over me after seeing what happened to mine and all my friends' fathers, let alone the financial implications of raising children.
This all I think stems from the larger problem of me never having known for sure what I want, or enjoyed anything enough to be motivated. If women are more hassle than fun then you don't really pursue, if material toys (atv, boat, cars, big house) are all kinda 'meh' you don't really care about having a 100k/year job, if you have too hard a time trusting friends then you don't bother going out, I think you get the point.

I'm here at TRP because I don't want it to be too late. If I feel this way now I cant imagine what it would feel like to still be like this 20 or 30 years from now. So I work out and eat right even though it feels like I'm too unattractive for it to ever matter, I talk to people even though it makes me weak-in-the-legs uncomfortable, I've found a job and am still going to school/pursuing a better career even though I can't fathom a scenario in which I would ever be successful, and I do all these things because of TRP.

I could never leave.

[–]Peter_B_Long 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Did you nut 4 times? or did you take breaks? My max nut is 3x and it's not 100% hard.

[–]hjkl4life[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nutted 4 times total. There were breaks in between. Smoked pot and ate pizza.

The third time we were fucking I went soft and didn't nut.

[–]Peter_B_Long 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a lot lol. On Saturday I only made it to 3 but they were pretty much back to back. Maybe if I refueled and smoked too I could've squeezed another one out. But thanks for answering

[–]WaifuJOI 8 points9 points  (6 children)

You fucked 5 times in one night?

really?

[–]hjkl4life[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Yeah. She was horny as shit. I usually don't last very long but I'm glad I can get it up after 10 mins of cumming.

The third time we fucked I went kinda soft 5 mins in and I couldn't cum. So we grabbed a slice of pizza and smoked more weed.

20 minutes later she was on my dick again.

It's not exactly like in the movies.

[–]SiulaGrande 5 points6 points  (0 children)

honestly bro those types of nights of on-off fucking are the best. fucking just once is average

[–]supremelummox 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I don't think it has to mean he came 5 times. Just stopped and started over 5 times, with maybe some ejaculations in between.

[–]take1fortheteam 20 points21 points  (0 children)

This can happen. Chill.

I don't mean that in a condescending way.

[–]pisspoordecisions 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Man, when that sexual chemistry clicks, you'd be surprised. I've been there before.

My dick was raw for a week.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Until about 37 three times a night was easy, best I did was 7 loads in a girl two nights in a row, nothing much came out the last 4 times. Now at 48 i can do twice a day but will be uninterested the next day, simply don't care if i get more.

[–]paco_boost 9 points10 points  (3 children)

If you're a 7.5-8, and not autistic, you don't need TheRedPill

[–]hjkl4life[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The only reason I'm a 7.5-8 is because of TRP. I was a solid 5 coming out of college 4 years ago. Skinny fat, no confidence and bitter as shit at women.

TRP changed all that. It's a toolkit. Most people (like my best friend) read this shit, try it once and then give up on it when it fails in one situation.

It takes time and effort to learn new skills.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, you do. It's more than being able to get your dick wet, it's knowing what they're actually like, what to look for so you can avoid the traps, and what will inevitably happen if you get married. An acquaintance of mine got married this weekend to a slut, her mom was fired from her bar job for fucking people on the pool table after hours. Dude is going to find out the hard way that this single mom with a pack of fuck trophies will ruin him.

[–]lifestuff69 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Nice story, but at your place how did you go from her saying she wasn't comfortable to fucking her? What happened in that 15-minute span?

[–]hjkl4life[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

She was really into making out with me. We smoked weed for a bit and I made her laugh. At some point while making out I started feeling her up big time. She gave me this sexy look and I just got up, took her hand and walked her to the bedroom.

Then we fucked.

[–]OGAbunai 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You're a Super Gangsta my friend! How i wish i was like that. Im 6 but with my frame of mind i can be around 3-4. Need to step my game up!

[–]SiulaGrande 1 point2 points  (0 children)

niiiiice hahaha fuck yea man! finally a quality field report and some real shit! nice moves man appreciate the post

[–]joewalker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

really like what you did here mate, excellent FR.

[–]cespinal 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Good stuff.

Makes me think also that you may have had the impression that somehow you were in control, but in reality she's got you on her sights since the party and she pretty much played it along nicely just to bed you.

oopsie

[–]harsha_hs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have read this script like 10 times in this sub. This is exactly how guys get laid. Period.

[–]uglyShort 2 points3 points  (5 children)

You're a 7/10 but claim you're not good looking? LOL

[–]hjkl4life[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Read my other comment. I'm only what I am because I wake up and put some effort into my looks. I also gym religiously (working out with a broken hand rn) and have a very IDGAF attitude, mostly because I've been suicidal the last couple of years; what's a girl gonna say to me that I haven't said to myself already 100 times in my own head?

I was a solid 5 going on 4 about 4 years ago. TRP saved my life.

There is also a lot more to attraction then just looks, especially once you get past age 25.

[–]shmog 1 point2 points  (1 child)

One humble brag after another. and he actually said he's an 8/10

[–]soyDonEladio 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How does one evaluate what you are? I'm really asking. Like how much points go to frame/face/muscle/height or thing like that?

[–]uglyShort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was talking bout his face tho.

[–]mpw08200 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Not bad. It's great to have you with us in the redpill lifestyle. If I may though, there's a few tips of my analysis of this that may help you in the future. Think of it like an after action report.

  1. Just from what you wrote about her, her age, the fact she came to your party and wasn't at home doing things that interested her, you can pretty much assume she's hit the wall as of a few months ago. She's 28, doesn't have the courage to come talk to you, has to have her friend do it, it's pretty clear. You should have never exchanged numbers. It was your house, your party, to her it was a competition to hook up with the guy running the party. You could of had her that night, and never looked back. That's what I would've done.

  2. You didn't need to take her out. She knows where you live, if you decided that night to not hook up, you just have her come over. There was no need to go out for drinks or talking, that can be awkward and painful for women in our society. This to me is another indicator that she's hit the wall. She's so concerned, that she's going through painful awkward meeting dates in order to have sex with as many guys as possible in order for some decent (if you're an 8) sperm to stick. She's just praying that it will work.

  3. Never apologize. Ever.

  4. Good pass on the shit tests, good responses, but it never even had to get there.

  5. When you kissed her and made out with her the first time, that's when you leave the party for a few minutes, bring her to your room, bang it out, and go back to the party. It's your party, you do what you want.

Overall great job, don't call her, or text her, she will when she's ready. You my friend may have yourself a few months of a great friend in the making, but again, be careful. She's at the wall, she's trying to get any sticky sperm to stick and make her the mom she's always dreamed of.

[–]InfiniteAscent 18 points19 points  (0 children)

When you kissed her and made out with her the first time, that's when you leave the party for a few minutes, bring her to your room, bang it out, and go back to the party. It's your party, you do what you want.

I'm thinking what he got (5 times in one sleepover) was way better than ducking out of his own party for a quickie. Sex can be so much more than just getting a load out.

[–]Platinumb2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How exactly did you end up getting her to come back to your place? You didn't elaborate on that portion and I think it's important.

[–]cashmoney_x 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You guys that post these are so transparent. It's 100% about you feeling good about yourself and wanting to brag/get some validation. I mean, come on, did you honestly think there was anything new in here for us to learn? It's the same message over and over and over.

[–]follow_that_rabbit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are some useful lessons here about how to interpret and react to flaking, LMRs and the interaction in general. Looks like you are jealous and trying to put down a good FR.

[–]hjkl4life[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I like FR's because they go beyond the theory and show you how behaving in a certain situation leads to success or failure. If it's not useful for you, give it a downvote and move on.

More importantly, I'm trying to start a chapter of the_fraternity in SF and I realize that I need to try to give back to the community before people start to trust me.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And if you score, you have every right to humble brag all you want.

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