ScienceMen - the most important post you'll read on Testosterone. Your levels are being systemically lowered with plastics. Science inside. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by WolfofAnarchy

Ask yourself - how much of what you consume has been in plastic?

Plastic is the tobacco of the 21st century. Problem is - you can stop smoking. You can't stop using plastic completely.

The first problem is a chemical group called phthlates. They’re used to make plastics soft and flexible, and as you might guess, they’re found in nearly all kinds of flexible plastics ranging from soda bottles to plastic bags. Phthlates are linked to delayed puberty, low testosterone, and feminine characteristics in various human and animal studies.

The second problem is a chemical called Bisphenol A or BPA. It’s also linked to low testosterone, increased estrogen, delayed puberty, and feminine characteristics in various human and animal studies (also explained in more detail below).

The third problem is that a huge list of chemicals used in the manufacturing process of plastic products are labeled as xenoestrogens, meaning that they mimic the effects of exogenous estrogen (female hormone) in the body. This includes the phthlates and BPA that I mentioned above, and also: PCBs, Bisphenol S (BPS), dioxin, vinyl chloride, styrene, phenolix, epoxy resin, PMMA, PTFE, and many many others…


These are in your bottles, in your tubes of toothpaste, in your cheese packaging, in your food containers, in your plastic cups, cutlery and bags.

This Swedish study had 196 boys as subjects. The researchers measured phthlate levels from their mothers when they were still pregnant, and once the kids were 21 months old, their “anogenital distance” – which is a pretty solid fysical measurement of testosterone – was measured, to see if the phthlates had effect on the hormonal health of these 196 subject boys. The results were clear, the more phthlates the mother had in her system during pregnancy, the shorter the anogenital distance in the baby (the shorter the distance the lower the testosterone).

This study compared the men who worked at a chemical plant which manufactures BPA, to men who worked at a tap water factory. The results show that the men who worked in contact with BPA had significantly lower serum testosterone levels, and especially free testosterone levels, when compared to the tap water factory fellows.

In this study, the researches analyzed 18 different samples of bottled water. Eleven of the samples showed significant estrogenic response.

But does this affect your everyday plastic use?

In this study, the researchers tested 445 common plastic products to see if there was any estrogenic activity in them. 70% of the products induced significant estrogenic activity, and the number jumped to 95% when the products were altered to “real life” conditions, such as the microwave heat and putting them to dishwasher. Also note that many of the products in this study were labeled as BPA-free, yet they still induced estrogenic effects similar to BPA plastics.

Why isn't any government actively fighting this? Why would they?

Oh, and if that wasn't enough:

Billions are drinking water contaminated with plastic and US has it the worst, study finds

It's in your water.

[–]Ferccini07 68 points69 points  (11 children)

Hi, my first post here. This is true, I have a degree in Chemical Engineering and we learned this in faculty (BPA and phtalates). However, we learned not only that it lowers Testosterone, but impaired male reproducibility as well and it was banned when the study showed it. So, I am not really sure if EU countries or US still use it in polymer production. I'm from Croatia, EU. You have to realise there are many types of plastics and polymers. For example, coca cola bottle is PET which is safe to use. PP is also safe, and PS for example is not. Everything is labeled and marked, just read and educate yourself.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Water is predominantly piped through some sort of PVC piping in the USA. Seems that may be contributing to the problem.

[–]rp614 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I am a senior about to graduate with a degree in chemical engineering. Any advice?

[–]Ferccini07 8 points9 points  (5 children)

In Croatia its not easy for young people to find a job in any field except IT. With chemical eng its not so bad but we are very limited if we dont wanna relocate to other countries.If you're American I think you should be fine. My advice is to avoid oil industry, I think it will not last long..I work in a pharmaceutical company and I think this is very nice field to work in..also my job is not really chem eng but chemist. I would also suggest to learn programming in your free time. It could help you a lot as a chem eng but also in general

[–]WISE_TURD 90 points91 points  (22 children)

  • Vitamin D3 deficiency will kill your levels. I raised my total test levels by 100 IU after fixing my vitamin D deficiency (vitamin D levels went from 18 ng/ml to 70 ng/ml). (Insert dick joke here)

Here are some things I've learned: 1. Get enough sleep

  1. lower stress

  2. lift heavy. never do steady state cardio, if you must, no more than a 5k and you better book it.

  3. intermittent fasting

  4. fix any vitamin deficiencies (especially vitamin D)

6.avoid sugar (especially if you want to continue drinking)

  1. cold showers

  2. avoid BPA's (as OP said) - get a stainless steel water bottle and only drink filtered water

  3. increase saturated fat intake

  4. increase omega 3:omega 6 ratio

  5. increase monounsaturated:polyunsaturated fat ratio.

Foods to eat: - Grass fed meats and butter - chia seeds with ceylon cinnamon - pink salt - eggs (nature's multivitamin) - 100% dark chocolate chips and raw almonds as a snack - broccoli and other cruciferous vegetables flush out excess estrogen - full fat greek yogurt - krill oil

Foods to avoid: - anything sweet - anything you didn't prepare - in general, anything that tastes good - alcohol (alcohol is basically sugar)

  • a good way to go is eat 100% clean when you're alone (during the week), then friday night - saturday night do whatever. If you're grabbing drinks during the week, try to eat at home and get a quick lift in prior.

  • Lack of sleep is a killer because it raises cortisol (cortisol levels are inversely related to testosterone).

  • If you're lifting daily and sleeping <6 hours a night, you're probably doing more harm than good. Aim for 9 hours when lifting over an hour a day.

  • I believe soil depletion is partly to blame for our dropping test levels over time, but we ingest so many chemicals that it's nearly impossible to pinpoint. I don't even believe nutrition facts anymore.

Edit: formatting, added foods to avoid

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 18 points19 points  (9 children)

Great post.

One amendment: I love tasty food so I adhere mostly to this food list without ever compromising by eating food that isn't tasty.

Couple of ways to make food taste great:

  • quality olive oil (good fats & omega, make sure you have one for heating, one for cold food. There's a reason gordon fucking ramsey pours it on everything)

  • a pinch of salt (A little salt brings out all flavors better. Though anyone that eats processed or fast food generally overeats on salt heavily, when you cut those out you don't have too much of a surplus of salt. Don't use those big grain sea salts, they taste milder meaning you eat more salt.)

  • fresh herbs (mint, parsley, koriander and the like give good soft flavors to foods, are healthy and should be used in amounts similar to other ingredients like vegetables.)

  • Garlic (a tradeoff since there is no way to prevent the sulfur from making you smell out of your mouth and pores. It is however very healthy and a great tastemaker. Raw or cooked both work.)

  • Lemon (fresh lemon juice improves a lot of dishes.)

  • Capsucin (making food spicy with fresh peppers makes it tastier to me. Mileage varies for different people and make sure to not burn your guests)

Of course once you're used to lowered sugar intake, many things start to taste great, even brocolli is sweet.

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Awesome post. Can you post a double ENTER after every number? That way it's nice and formatted in a list :)

[–]logicalthinker1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don't believe nutrition facts anymore??? Lololol they aren't the tooth fairy buddy.

[–]RonieGarret 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Could you please suggest good water filter?

[–]WISE_TURD 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Berkey filters are serious. Pricey though.

Carbon filters that have no plastics (glass or stainless steel) involved are a safe bet.

If you must get one with plastic (they are the cheapest option), ensure that it's bpa free. Although i'm guessing there other chemicals that leech from plastic that we don't know about yet, so that's something to consider. Definitely better than nothing in my opinion.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol I actually do all of these things. Not sure how much of a difference it makes to not doing it.

[–]red-arctic-tern 165 points166 points  (75 children)

I thought that modern low T is because men do less manly stuff nowadays.

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 147 points148 points  (30 children)

I never said there was only one reason - but I can tell you that sitting all day staring at a monitor is not helping.

[–]enkae7317 80 points81 points  (27 children)

Correct. It's easy to blame "the chemicals" in our food, water, whatever, but the real issue is sedentary lifestyle coupled with growing pussiness of men, etc.

So far lifting and eating healthy helps. Cut off ALL fast food that shit is cancer. And keep sugar to a minimum. It's hard to follow the sugar rule because literally everything nowadays has some form of sugar in it whether it be glucose, fructose, galactose, etc.

[–]un-supervised-savage 22 points23 points  (15 children)

I'd like to see a citation to a study that shows sugar has a direct negative causation effect on testosterone. Sugar doesn't have a bad effect on test. It does have a negative impact on insulin sensitivity however if used improperly. Real Sugar isn't always bad. Bodybuilders use sugar to carb up faster along with reduced water intake. This only works if you depleted your glycogen stores sufficiently and train your muscles directly before the "carb up" phase with sugars and other simple carbs.

Go ten days with less than 30g of carbs then after your weightlifting session on day ten pound 400-600g of sugar with limited water. You'll feel bloated that night but the next morning you are ripped.

This happens because when you deplete your glycogen stores your body becomes insulin sensitive. When you workout the body releases insulin to shuttle more glycogen back into the muscle to recover and prepare for the next weightlifting session the muscles have to survive. Insulin can store carbs/sugars in your muscles or your fat cells. Have your carbs after a workout and they will be stored in your muscles depending on how depleted the muscles are of glycogen. Leg day you can have more compared to arm day, bigger muscle group more carbs needed to replenish them. This can also have a second effect of drawing water from your fat cells to your muscles if water intake is limited. Thus making your body fat look thinner and your muscles uptaking all the water giving the muscles a fuller look on top of the fat being less noticeable. This is called carb backloading. There's lots of info on it on the net.

I only do carb backloading to cut but to maintain I go to the carb night carb diet. Carb night diet let's you eat carbs after every workout and if you have to hit a pool party the next day, workout, carb up, reduce water intake and you'll look more lean and muscular at the pool. You can drink water again an hour before you hit the pool, it takes 12-24 hours for the body to restore the water to the fat cells. I can have 9% bf and look like I have 6-7% for a window of time. This is what competitors call peaking for there shows.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 9 points10 points  (6 children)

What's your opinion on keto?

[–]un-supervised-savage 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Carb backloading is a form of Keto. Except you have a carb up day once you hit Ketosis. I don't like pure Keto diets because your muscles need carbs(muscle glycogen) to strengthen and grow. Building muscle will increase your metabolism and make staying lean easier. Cardio should only be done to improve cardiovascular health, weight training, especially for men is the fastest way to lose fat.

Weight loss simplified for men!


[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cheers. I do keto but then every 2 weeks I end up having a carb week due to social and family obligations. So that is probably helping my muscle growth. I need to do more cardio for my breathing though.

[–]electricspresident 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good advice thanks for the info

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

It depends on the type of sugar. Constant high fructose means steadily lowering SHBG which means less testosterone over time. It's pretty straightforward.

Also 6 to 9% bodyfat isn't healthy naturally. You're probably using those scales that massively under estimate bodyfat, but I'm nitpicking.

(serious) Bodybuilders are on exogenous testosterone more often than not and don't really have to care about too much sugar for a number of reasons.

[–]duruga 45 points46 points  (3 children)

Why can't it be both? It could even be that the chemicals predispose men for this more sedentary style of life, which in turn compounds the problem.

That's just a hypothesis. There could be a lot of interactions going on, but it is extremely suspect that this era of feminization and feminized men has happened at the same time we have started using this chemicals.

[–]edzackly 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I think you're right. It's a combination of factors. It seems impossible to really test or understand the effects of all that we come in contact with in modern life, especially when complicated by differences in behavior and personal body chemistry, but i think we are experiencing it now. It's a helluva coincidence that all this happens around the same time, right? It's a little silly, but I think of it like the scenario in the Tim Burton Batman, where the Joker poisons the products, and the users die from a combo effect.

[–]Troll_Name 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Perfect storm" - what we call it when multiple big storms join forces and teamwork better than people.

Simple advice: eat real food. Take home as little factory packaging as possible.

[–]logicalthinker1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There issue with sugar is that people are eating tons of it day after day after day after day... Week after week after week. Year after year. Over and over and over again. Your body is really good at dealing with acute, harmful stuff. Just a fraction of a fraction of harm multiplied by thousands and thousands of days of constant use is what fucks us up.

[–]djthiago1 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Not true, eat natural and you won't be eating added sugar. They don't add sugar to vegetables, grains and meat.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 4 points5 points  (2 children)

There's natural and there's natural though. Plenty of misguided people still think fruit juice is "good for you".

[–]Galbert123 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Problem for me as well as many others is that we are coming to this realization far to late in life and too late in our careers.

[–]Alphadestrious 38 points39 points  (12 children)

To everyone here, get your ass in a gym, train in a martial art and stop masturbating. That's all you can control. All else will follow. Let's get it

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Agreed, except for stop masturbating. Test levels will peak after a week of not jerking off. Then it starts to plummet.

I guess jerk off every 8 days if you're not having sex lol.

[–]sd4c 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Except that masturbation is pointless. Do only that which moves you towards your mission.

[–]Frigzy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Do only that which moves you towards your mission.

This mentality will make you choke tho.

[–]Shukakun 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Those things, and positive thinking. Not all that mumbo jumbo about visualization and daily self-appreciation mantras, that's definitely overdoing it, but learned helplessness is a real thing, it's good to take a critical look at your yourself and your habitual thoughts.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Not all that mumbo jumbo about visualization and daily self-appreciation mantras, that's definitely overdoing it

What's wrong with all of those? Why should us men prevent ourselves from using all the tools available in the world to empower ourselves?

[–]Shukakun 6 points7 points  (2 children)

If they actually are effective tools, by all means, knock yourself out. The impression I've gotten is that a lot of positivity-related practices are more similar to praying or putting crystals under your pillow.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The impression I've gotten is that a lot of positivity-related practices are more similar to praying or putting crystals under your pillow.

That's a popular impression, until, at some point in your life, you discover that at least one of those tools work for you. Not sure how old you are, but the beauty of life is many of these tools are uncovered as you go about your business and look at self growth. You mentioned crystals under your pillow - that doesn't work for me. It doesn't mean it can't work for others. These are mostly valid tools that, if one or two of them work great for you, then it would be a self-limiting belief to not use them.

[–]Velebit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We have no clue what T was before, the tests evolve and the algorithms change constantly, same goes with international IQ testing and penis size measuring, it's all very sketchy and if you are an activist trying to prove a point you will probably be able to make it. I literally tested my T in 3 different labs and each time it ended up significantly different. One lab was using wrong conversion methods making everyone tested have like 10% of normal T.

I read an extremely convincing thesis about shield maidens existing and than another about them not existing. Than I read stats about how literate women in ancient Rome than I read how church actively destroyed female diaries and literature from ancient Rome. It's all incredibly confusing and you can't even comprehend that until you do COMPARATIVE SCIENCE which tries to look at how things come across as you take into consideration time, location and context. For example, average IQ in many places is something that if measured in Europe means functional retardation. However those people don't go bumping heads on walls and stuff.

On the other hand our testosterone receptors are also a factor and they adjust according to testosterone the body handles on average. This is why efficiency of steroid use drops off and you have to make pauses.

On the other hand USA which has the worst exoestrogen effect has the highest birth rate of any western country, compare that to countries you know don't have any significant pollution due to low industry like Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Croatia, Greece etc.

[–]vitringur 28 points29 points  (24 children)

Or maybe men do less manly stuff because there is absolutely no reason to anymore.

[–]Shukakun 25 points26 points  (19 children)

There's a great reason to, it's not exactly obvious unless you try it though. Ever met a depressed martial artist? Can you even imagine one? Doing manly stuff makes men happier, because it used to be important, and evolution is slow as fuck and hasn't gotten the memo yet.

[–]Schroef 27 points28 points  (8 children)

You're confusing cause and effect, as so many do on this forum. You're not seeing depressed martial artists because depressed people don't do martial arts, not because martial arts cures depression.

Exercising helps, makes you happier, but it's fighting symptoms, not the cause. Fighting the cause of your depression is the most important thing to do, and from there your symptoms will disappear and you can truly be happy-- exercising, socializing, going after what you want in life.

If you only treat symptoms, you will feel better on the surface, but you'll be largely faking it, and you will have to 'keep frame' for the rest of your life.

[–]1RPAlternate42 12 points13 points  (6 children)

Sometimes the cause is a feeling of uselessness. Physical activity can defeat that feeling so long as the person can tip over that edge where uselessness trumps motivation.

Those things combat the symptoms, but they also combat the causes too.

[–]Schroef 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I agree that exercise can combat the cause too-- if you are healthier and look better, for sure it will help you feel a bit more confident and happy.

But this:

Sometimes the cause is a feeling of uselessness.

I think is not true, that is: I think there's always a deeper underlying cause to 'feeling useless', usually a form of low self esteem. And low self esteem is the root cause: feeling other people are better than you, and needing their validation to feel good about yourself.

Even you exercising might be because of the wrong reasons, like wanting validation from your peers or getting attention from (and sleeping with) attractive girls. This can be OK for a while, but if your self esteem underneath all this is still low, it's a very feeble foundation you're building your life on.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have shit low self esteem since forever. Any tips on working past it?

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I`ve known two martial arts teachers that offed themselves. They were probably depressed.

[–]mistagaymer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cat Zinganos husband was a BJJ black belt with his own gym, hot famous wife, and kids. He still killed himself. You can do muh manly sheeet and still be blackpilled.

[–]vitringur 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Sure, it might be healthy. That's just not why most people do things.

People didn't do manly things in the past to battle depression and existential crisis.

[–]Shukakun 8 points9 points  (1 child)

True, you don't need to do manly things, just like you don't need to think about your calories and nutrients. You'll survive just fine eating nothing but McDonalds. Probably a pretty miserable life though.

[–]vitringur 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Exactly. There are other reasons and explanations for people's behaviour than it all being some feminist conspiracy or some other external factor.

For example, like you pointed out, life is mostly not about survival anymore.

Which everyone would agree on is a good thing. No matter how manly someone thinks it is or isn't.


Also, there is a fucking world between thinking about calories and just eating fast food. Most people just eat food and are relatively healthy. You don't turn into a fattie boom boom if you stop being obsessed with counting your macros. That's just mild autism.

[–]Lazysaurus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes. One of my best friends is a depressed BJJ fighter.

[–]superman127 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Get a job in a skilled trade and you do manly shit everyday.

[–]rossiFan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is also a contributer.

[–]UALaxbro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just start dipping chewing tobacco and your testosterone will skyrocket. Very easy fix.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 71 points72 points  (5 children)

As much as I'm all for this post, this is not an excuse to say "i have no gains b/c i drink liquids in plastic".

The impact of "plastic" on T levels might as well be true (or might be not, science will tell sooner or later). So far there's enough evidence (despite rather simplistic conclusions b/c endoctrine system is a bit more complicated than "just measure T levels" as is the chemistry of "plastic" interactions with it) to warrant further research, which is being done.

What is true 100%, without any doubt, is that men have been drinking from plastic bottles for decades and still lifted and achieved great physiques. Do not use this post as an excuse for being a wimp.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 18 points19 points  (0 children)

If you suspect you have low T, your first action should be to go and get your bloodwork done.

There is an instructional available on r.testosterone on how to do it properly, since most doctors don't know shit about it: http://archive.is/Q46Ne

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I can guarantee my whiskey habit fucks with them more than BPA.

Low hanging fruit

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

The impact of "plastic" on T levels might as well be true (or might be not, science will tell sooner or later)

Science has already said it is.

Do not use this post as an excuse for being a wimp.

100% true.

[–]Rabbit-Punch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Science hasn't it showed that it reduces T in everyone to a meaningful amount yet.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 55 points56 points  (41 children)

Just in case someone is interested in the background of these things a little more, it`s likely that the lowered fertility that comes off of increased estrogen/xeno-estrogen is by design.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 56 points57 points  (17 children)

Eric Holdren Obama's Chief scientist wrote a batshit crazy book in the 70's called EcoScience. It's about forced sterilization and fucking with the water supply.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Thanks, that sounds worth getting into. Appreciated.

As for the discussion with adolf there, I don't pretend to know exactly what motivations of others are, but if I was planning to resculpt the world according to my designs, I would want to be able to target groups for fertility increase/decrease as it meshes with my other plans. So that's what I think is likely.

Considering it now seems to be a goal to replace people in the west with people from other countries (they openly call it replacement migration), that seems to be connected.

Anyways, I just wanted to give a quick aside to politics. It's better here to keep focus on how to protect yourself in regards to reliable water for yourself and those around you. It's something immediate you can do.

[–]nazis_are_socialists 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It wasn't just about forced sterilization, it was also about forcing women to have abortions.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–]xrorox_rp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You may be interested by these guys : http://www.schillerinstitute.org/cgi-bin/taxon-9.pl?sw=1&taxon=gf&min_date=11/16/15&path=/green_fascism/main.html

There is some points I don't like (when it sounds too much complotist). But they have an interesting point of view about hown ecologism and eugenism are tied together.

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 34 points35 points  (4 children)

The powers that be don't want Test-fueled men with drive for achieving great things. They want obedience, I think.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 25 points26 points  (2 children)

They want obedience, I think.

No, you know

Maybe your plastic consumption is the cause of your lack of conviction?

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Of course. I am currently learning about the first mandatory school plans drafted by he rockefellers around 1903 and that was exactly the goal: not finding and developing talent, but teaching compliance.

It's easier to do these days with Ritalin (mild cocaine).

The attack on testerone is similar and is traceable to the family council in the 60s (formerly eugenicist society that funded nazi racial research, later rebranded as family council). I have not been able to establish connections between the plan to reduce fertility through tainting the water supply and the high rate of xenoestrogens in US water, but I think it's likely to exist, whether I find evidence or not.

[–]wanderer779 7 points8 points  (2 children)

On one hand it's easy to get mad at these people, sitting around thinking that if only it wasn't for them we'd all be like Thor. On the other hand they kind of had reasons for what they did, beyond making a race of slaves so they could sit in a room somewhere counting money and rubbing their hands together. I mean what is the alternative here - a growing population of high testosterone, aggressive dudes and limited resources? I think we know where that goes.

I believe they have technology now that allows them to alter genes in mosquitoes so that all of the altered mosquitoes' descendants are sterile. Introduce a small number of these into a mosquito population and pretty soon they are extinct. I don't know anything about this field but it wouldn't surprise me if there is a memo floating around somewhere about using this on humans and coupling it with some other sort of controlled artificial breeding method.

Another solution would be developing technology for traveling long distances through space and finding more inhabitable planets but it seems we're pretty far from accomplishing that.

[–]destruct_zero 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just from a logistical point of view, that thing about the mosquitoes doesn't make sense. If all the descendants of the mosquitoes that have altered genes are sterile, then that inherited sterility stops with their offspring because their offspring can't reproduce. The altered mosquitoes will be dead within a generation and all the other mosquitoes will carry on as normal.

[–]wanderer779 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah sorry I was wrong, it takes large numbers of them. Google "sterile insect technique".

[–]Sh0cknAwe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're misrepresenting that particular screenshot. It's from a review of literature done by Planned Parenthood. They looked at all available literature regarding family planning, even the crazy ones. There's no evidence that this memo was ever used to create policy.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not certain. It's very likely. Exactly as I said.

If we find a plan to build a pyramid in the meetings of the most powerful people in the world and wake up with pyramids having been built all over the world, there is not a certain link between the two, but it's likely.

You are free to find it unlikely. In that case I'm sure that just informing people about these things will rapidly change and remove all these xeno-estrogens from our systems. Let me know how that goes.

[–]Dat_Chad 10 points11 points  (0 children)

thank God I'm on Tren Replacement Therapy then

[–]Kvuthe 1 points1 points [recovered]

Great post. Opened my eyes. What do you recommend, though, as an alternative? From what I know there are no "wooden containers" and even if there are, I would say 85% of the products are in a plastic container and the 15% probably came in contact with plastic before coming to store.

Again, thank you, great research.

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 33 points34 points  (17 children)


Glass can be heated, glass can be washed in the diswasher (both of these things release shitton of the bad stuff in plastics), glass can be 100% recycled, and glass feels a lot better.

[–]perplexedm 17 points18 points  (1 child)

+1 for glass, and am already practicing this at my home for last 3-4 years. What ever plastics that can be replaced is replaced either with glass or metal.

And I don't understand why all the anti pollution, anti waste, recycling, environment protection folks are not focusing on glass.

And we should use cotton clothes more...

[–]duruga 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Ceramic also. Use ceramic plates and bowls instead of plastic.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Legal Cohabiting Female threw away all the plastic wear in our kitchen one day. Came home and it was all in the trash. It's just glass, steal and stoneware now. It took her almost a month to find suitable water bottles to carry out and about.

I found it odd because she regularly tells me how scary and aggressive I can be, you'd think she would have done the opposite.

(No bloopers, I've never hit her and I don't yell at her.)

[–]AwakenedSovereign 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Did you find her at CostCo or WholeFoods?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 7 points8 points  (1 child)

In uniform carrying an M-16.

[–]Mescuzzi 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It took her almost a month to find suitable water bottles to carry out and about

What brand of water bottle? I have a Nalgene 32 oz plastic water bottle I refill multiple times a day. Looking to make the switch to metal after this post

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (1 child)


But here's the problem. They got bought so and it seems they are pushing a ton of other shit now, so I dunno. The bottles she bought seem to be all steel with some sort of rubber fixture for grip, but it's steel on steel wherever you have water and contact.

For the record, she is also freaked out about aluminum and copper. I've explained to her in detail how the latter actually catalyses impurities and whatnot, and she totally understands it and follows along. She still doesn't like it. heh. Women are fucking awesome.

(Yes, bloops, I'm mean that.)

[–]mephju 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Most dishwashers have some kind of plastic inside of them as well. At least here in Switzerland/Germany.

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

True. It's a big fucking conspiracy.

But, you should know that food you ingest has the potential of fuckign with your hormones a lot more than something that might've stayed on your dishes.

[–]Kvuthe 1 points1 points [recovered]


Well, there is still the issue that all the products are in a plastic package. I'll keep the information in mind though.

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is true. But if you buy your veggies whole (which is healthier, cheaper and fresher) and don't use plastic bottles, you can easily halve your intake from these things.

[–]blr1998 1 points1 points [recovered]

I drink everything out of a Yeti

[–]MarcoCorona 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I'd like to point out that many shower gels and shampoos these days have a slew of additives that fuck with the body's chemistry. Many contain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylparaben that has an estrogenic effect.

"Old school" lye soap is made from animal or vegetable fat, cleans better, leaves no residue or film and can be used for the whole body and hair.

If you want to cut exposure to these additives, go for unscented superfattened (7% to 10%) olive oil soap made from human consumption grade quality.

Why unscented? Because most essential oils are mutagenic in nature and scented soaps thus are a no-no; no matter how little scent was added.

[–]Shukakun 23 points24 points  (12 children)

I'm no scientist, but I'm pretty sure this is a disappearingly small contributor to low testosterone, compared to the fact that we barely fight, risk our lives or even move these days.

[–]logicalthinker1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Absolutely right. It's a negligent impact. All conspiracy theories are based on a grain of truth. Fluoride is toxic to people...but not at really low concentrations. It's actually great for your teeth at low concentrations and won't do anything to your body. Similarly, lead is in basically everything at some almost imperceptible concentration. But not approaching anything even close to what would be considered worrisome let alone dangerous.

This thread is filled with Alex Jones nut jobs who don't understand toxicity levels.

[–]afkb39sdfb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The FEMA camps and chemtrails man!

[–]cazzah123 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Trt for life fuck it. Add tren your gold

[–]kagetsuki23 13 points14 points  (0 children)

[–]Shaman6624 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I was wondering if you could maybe ingest something to help your body get rid of BPA's and this is what I found: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18540113

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Holy shit that's great, thank you!

[–]gradchad 1 points1 points [recovered]

So what's the solution here? I mean if the water's fucked, besides switching to glass/steel containers, there isn't much we can do at an individual level, is there?

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Lower exposure to plastics, maximize exposure to good healthy food .

[–]jayshea 0 points1 point  (5 children)

But how do you find a good source for water? I'm not a fan of straight out of the sink, but I'm not trying to rely on bottled water solely it's a lose-lose situation

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You can set aside a little money per year for water filters. That way you can drink from the tap at home, fill glass bottles to take to the gym and possibly to work, that way you can improve 90% of the water you drink, vastly reducing low quality sources of water.

[–]jayshea 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Do you have any good filters you know of that removes fluoride as well?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Berkey. About $300 for a 3-gallon tank that filters in an hour. Fill it every couple of nights and you should always have enough water for drinking, cooking, and cleaning.

They also sell a shower head, but I don't know about it's quality. The filter tanks are pretty well-regarded though.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also iodine... they took it out. Start supplementing with it

[–]arthurabyssal 16 points17 points  (7 children)

Glass bottled water is getting harder to find these days. Tapwater in the UK is recycled and I am sure it is lacking in electrolytes and minerals. And Bottled water comes in plastic. Anabolicmen, 'The 4 Hour Body' by Tim Ferris, Bulletproof and Dr Berg and Thomas Delauer on YouTube are all great resources to increase testosterone. Main things I've learnt are: DON'T: No plastics; less synthetic clothing (especially underwear), don't put your cellphone near your balls, don't snack throughout the day, don't eat or interact with mint, lavender and tea-tree, don't wear most deodorants (find a natural one like 'Salt of The Earth', I sweat a lot and it works better than most deodorants), don't walk around cars too much, don't have soy, liquorice or flaxseed. Dont have sugar, limit dairy to butter. I still have Kefir a few times a week though because the benefits outweigh the costs. Don't smoke and don't smoke pot it has T-lowering effects. Do: Sprint, weights, walk with good posture, argue and debate more (eg: in university or school) well-sourced red meat, well-sourced eggs (the yolks should be almost orange-red and shells should be darker), cod liver oil, green vegetables like spinach to bind to and remove estrogens, almonds (around 20 for vitamin E), 3-6 Brazil nuts a day (works better than a selenium supplement), sleep 8-10 hours a night (keep room cool, no phones or screens before bed), mushrooms, pink salt for more minerals, grass-fed butter from a local farm or from Kerrygold (found at most shops), garlic, onion, intermittent fasting, activated charcoal, Vitamin D3 supplement even if you live in a Sunny area or country you are most likely deficient. D is not a vitamin but a steroid hormone. Take cold showers. And the best way to increase testosterone: Watch 300 or 300 Rise of An Empire ;)

Also a better way to lose weight and detoxify is to straight up fast as oppossed to eating low calorie everyday. The effects are phenomenal and your testosterine only dips a bit, but shoots way above baseline when you refeed. You also keep more muscle (if not all) from fasting because of Human Growth Hormone (but don't take branched-chain-amino-acids because they dispute HGH). Low calorie diets still trigger insulin (unless you are on keto) which allows your HGH to drop and your muscles to be used for energy instead of fat. Which is why people who lose a lot of weight also end up looking weak.

[–]therighttobecool 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Reduce alcohol consumption

I'd also expect men that live away from women and a feminized society to have higher T.

Men that live out in the woods in a cabin, men in prison etc. are some examples of men that will have higher T.

[–]faissaloo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As someone with eczema, I can testify to the fact that UK water is absolute trash.

[–]TheGillos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everything you say is spot on.

I just finished a short 64 hour fast. Also keto for life!

I'll be paying attention to the plastic shit, coincidentally my brother mentioned the micro plastic particles in the drinking water yesterday.

[–]faensatan 1 points1 points [recovered]

First time I heard anyone say to stay away from tea-tree. Care to elaborate? I use tea tree oil a lot for my dry skin scalp and acne on my shoulders.

[–]arthurabyssal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Lavender and tea tree oil caused gynecomastia (man boobs) in adolescent boys, which reversed when the boys stopped using topical products containing lavender and tea tree oil, but no significant estrogen changes were observed in studies with larger sample sizes.[29][30]" - Bulletproof

[–]LOST_TALE[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)



not: this is the day we die *

[–]turkeybaconman9669 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I work in a plastic factory touching plastic caps all day? Do you think touching so much plastic so often will have effects.

[–]hastoshit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

depends on what type of plastic the caps are. PP or PE caps are inherently safe and non-toxic

[–]therighttobecool 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Lot of xenoestrogens, pthalates is also found in your detergent, fabric softener, bathroom soap, shampoo don't think you're escaping from all that just from plastics.

Men T is dropping but not just from these products. It's a combination of different things. Patriarchy and feminism is another reason why male T is dropping. Patriarchy makes it so women becomes some kind of holy being we're not allowed to touch unless we consent towards it and Feminism supports that further. That lowers T. We sleep a lot less in this generation which also puts a big strike on T and our quality of sleep is worst since we have so much lights on around our modern light preventing us from a deep REM sleep. We don't fast as much as people back then. Eating wasn't some kind of hobby for people back then, they ate to refuel that was it. High sugar products like sucrose jacked foods/drinks and high fructose syrup are other reasons. Today's patriarchy and feminism also set our minds to be much different from men back then. Ancient men when they saw a woman they liked they just snatched her up, we are socially engineered to not do that which lowers our T further.

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yup, it's a combo. But you have to find the causes to find the fixes. This is one cause. There are many more. Tackle them.

[–]Shaman6624 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And what about dental filling?

[–]motherf__kinSTARBOY 5 points6 points  (19 children)

OMG something I can contribute to!

I actually took part in world leading research to see if people can reduce their exposure to BPA. This involved a week long diet in which we reduced our exposure to plastics containing BPA as much as possible.

The study concluded that people could not reduce their exposure to BPA by altering their diet. Thus, it is up to the government to put in place regulations to reduce the use of BPA in our daily lives.

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Do you think a reason is that BPA stays in the body for a longer time than a week?

[–]motherf__kinSTARBOY 2 points3 points  (6 children)

No. In an smaller controlled group, participants were able to reduce BPA by 60% in just 3 days. This included a prescribed diet.

However, our study was designed to see if it is realistic for normal people to effectively reduce their BPA levels. We were simply given some guidelines thus it was a "real world" diet. When you consider the ubiquitous presence of BPA in our food chain and the poor labelling of foods, its not surprising we werent able to reduce our BPA levels.

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

gotcha, thanks. Could you explain to me how the special diet differed?

[–]motherf__kinSTARBOY 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the smaller control group? It was a prescribed diet. Meaning they knew for certain it did not contain BPA.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So the conclusion was that people with limited will-power and/or knowledge about BPA sources aren't likely to reduce their exposure to BPA sources?

Isn't that kind of a pointless study? Obviously you need to become slightly abnormal and put effort into diet control if you want to protect your health.

[–]gradchad 1 points1 points [recovered]

So there isn't really a solution to be effectuated at an individual level?

[–]motherf__kinSTARBOY 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yeah. That was the conclusion of our study.

[–]gradchad 1 points1 points [recovered]

Goddamn...what about lifting? Will it offset the negative effects caused by water?

[–]motherf__kinSTARBOY 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The study didnt look into that but I would assume to atleast some extent.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 1 point2 points  (5 children)

What sources of BPA were unavoidable?

[–]hastoshit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Plastic engineer checking in here. Lets talk.

First, BPA is a pre-cursor chemical to only one type of plastic: polycarbonate (PC). PC is clear and tough. Nalgene bottles, safety glasses, basically anything that you want tough and clear and plastic is probably PC. Modern processes to their best to 'scrub' the BPA out of PC when they produce it, but there is trace amounts leftover. Best bet it to avoid PC bottles.

Second, phtalates. These are used almost exclusively in PVC. Their purpose is to make PVC more flexible. We get exposure to PVC in our shower curtains, pool liners, and more recently in water pipes. A lot of water pipes are now bing converted to PVC in homes (from copper). Their may be some phalate 'leaks' in PVC pipes. Copper is still a good option, as it PEX. Some food packaging films are also PVC.

So what plastic is safe? A lot really. The FDA had guidelines on what is food safe and what is not. BPA is not food safe, but there is a lower threshhold that we cannot test for on a routine basis. If you are super paranoid - just avoid it. Phalates are more pervasive and a lot are food contact approved. So that leaves PP, PE, PET, PS, etc etc....

I don't really believe that plastic is evil (I'm biased) - I believe the T crisis it has more to do with food and lifestyle choices.

AMA about plastics.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Environmental Engineer here, if you're serious about your water quality and plastic contaminants such as those mentioned in the post (which is very well-researched I might add), I would very much recommend buying a whole-home reverse osmosis (RO) filtration system. It has the capability to remove 99% of most molecular contaminants in the water supply.

[–]random4808 1 points1 points [recovered]

Isn't whole home RO a big waste? You really only need it for water that you're actively ingesting (i.e. drinking or cooking with). It seems like a really big waste to be using that water for taking a shower or washing your hands.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In a sense, you end up wasting somewhere between 40 to 60% of the feed water to the system. In the grand scheme of things for a large municipality, that's not even a fraction of a drop in the bucket.

If you wanted to be more environmentally friendly, you could purchase a smaller unit solely for your kitchen sink and limit the waste. However, but you risk exposure to contaminants that can absorb through the skin (such as lead, mercury, and arsenic) via the shower or bathroom sink when you wash your body or hands in this scenario.

Think about it this way, anybody in the greater Flint region affected by the lead outbreak with a whole-home RO system had access to clean drinking water where all of their neighbors did not, because RO acts as an ultimate barrier to heavy metals such as lead.

[–]sporkhoarder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Soooo - how do I defend myself against this moving forward? I can't just ignore plastic, it's everywhere.

[–]Trainmasta 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Governments won't fight this, they are actively promoting population reductions and this fits into the overall plan. "They are turning the freakin frogs gay!" Is not just a meme, it's actually a thing

[–]borntobeanincel 3 points4 points  (6 children)

are beta males beta because of low testosterone? if yes then if someone is beta isn't this because this is just how they were created?

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In animals, the betas are the ones that are below alphas but can replace him at any time when he dies.

IRL, any beta can become alpha, it just takes a lot of work on some and people should do it on their own. Don't try to convert a friend, or something.

[–]wst4 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe it's the plastic dildos they use on themselves.?

[–]therighttobecool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The term beta has become the term for "loser" but a beta in reality is more like 2nd to alpha, alpha in training, potential to be an alpha or to overthrow the alpha. There are worst males like gamma males or something I heard.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

if someone is beta isn't this because this is just how they were created?

Yep. And because of this simple truth, we should also let diabetics die, since it's they way they were created...

[–]1TrenGod37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope I know guys who do roids and their test is over 1500 and they still are beta as fuck. It helps but it doesn't solve the problem

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or someone grew up beta because they were chemically castrated since the womb.

[–]2kez88 9 points10 points  (16 children)

Meh I don't know how much I believe this is actually an issue. Whilst it may be true these things occur, how much does it affect testosterone and it's production?

Everything 'affects' something, but until you can say it will decrease your test by 5% or 10% or whatever the number is, i'm not going to worry. If dudes on here are worried, get your test levels checked and see how you go. If its low, consider some options.

To try cut EVERYTHING plastic out is incredibly hard and may not even be worth it.

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 16 points17 points  (15 children)

Sperm counts in men have halved in the last 40 years.

[–]HardworkITrust 1 point2 points  (11 children)

Excessive masturbation to internet porn has doubled in the last 40 years. That's why sperm count is so low. You blow your load twice everyday not allowing your sperm to mature which in return makes you produce more sperm that isn't mature to replace those that have been shot out. This cycle leads to a drastic lowering of sperm. Not because of my plastic shaker cup. Don't ejaculate for 30 days and get a sperm test done and you'll be surprised with your sperm/ml number.

[–]josiasx 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Try reading the dudes article.

"After accounting for factors including age and how long men had gone without ejaculation, the team found that sperm concentration fell from 99 million per ml in 1973 to 47.1 million per ml in 2011 – a decline of 52.4% – among western men unaware of their fertility. "

"The team split the data based on whether the men were from western countries – including Australia and New Zealand as well as countries in North America and Europe – or from elsewhere.....By contrast, no such trends were seen for men in other countries – although the authors caution that far fewer studies have been carried out among such populations."

So this low sperm count, has nothing to do with fapping. And is only in western countries.


"Numerous possibilities have been mooted, with research suggesting links to body weight, a lack of physical activity, smoking, and exposure of pregnant women to chemicals found in myriad household products, known as endocrine disruptors."

But I'll tell you, their is a cure for low testosterone. The sent of a women, can raise your T levels. Especially an ovulating women.

So get out their, flirt and have fun.

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Is there science for yours? Because there's science for mine.

[–]AngriestBeaver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you have a degree of any sort. I'm all for eating healthy, lifting, and avoiding environmental hazards. I filter all my water, and there's tons of historic examples large corporations poisoning the water, air, etc. I'm not saying there is no merit to your post, but I question your ability to fully evaluate and critique these studies. You seem to correlate low sperm in the gen pop to the use of these plastics. The science is sound that high exposure to BPA is a risk and, but when you take it to the point of government conspiracy and politicize it you lose a lot of credibility. You're getting awfully close to infowars territory here. I don't trust the government to keep the air or water clean, but that's more due to a gutted EPA in the pocket of Monsanto and the like, led by the inept Scott Pruitt. What I'm getting at, is I think your overstating the dangers and it comes off politically charged after reading through this comment section; and rather than an honest scientific meta analysis you claim it to be.

[–]therighttobecool 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I forgot this one as well. Ejaculation lowers Test. Excessive ejaculation in a period of a day to exhaustion from a study has shown that it can increase estrogen effects on your body. It's okay to shoot one off as your T will drop but it will bounce back so it's only a temporary loss but don't get addicted to it. Not ejaculation for a week on the other hand can boost Test

The way porn is easier to access then several decades ago is increasing this loss in T as well.

[–]1walkingthelinux 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Truth becomes lies when it's sole use is to get more democrats elected.

[–]vsamael 1 points1 points [recovered]

Can't drink tap water can't drink bottled water? WTF is left then? And what about HDPE and PP5?

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can drink bottled water, just not 2L out of plastic bottles that are meant to be disposed of (marked with a 1). 3 and 7 are also bad.

[–]MindTheFuture 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Tap water can be filtered. Check out the ones that use reverse osmosis -method as part of the filtering process. There are some available that fit under the sink. Just know that filtering take time, so water will come out at low pressure and filling a kettle takes longer. Still, enough for home cooking and drinking.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Problem is, all RO systems are constructed from plastic: the tubing, the tank, and the membrane. I'd be concerned that you would end up with higher xenoestrogens because now on the filter side you have pure water, and it will leech xenoestrogens faster to restore osmotic balance. However you would get rid of a myriad of upstream contaminates like lead and pharmaceuticals, so maybe the net benefit is still positive. I don't know.

[–]MindTheFuture 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Good concerns. So, there might be market for RO-systems/mods where the filtered side would be procecced through glass/ceramics/metals. Were someone knowledgeable on the market and engineering minded, this might be worth of looking into as nieche product.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is exactly what I searched for. Not sure the demand but I know I wanted it.

[–]menial_optimist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looks like glass bottles are still the best to use.

[–]5pecial 1 points1 points [recovered]

My testosterone went from 212 ng/dl to 440 ng/dl to 650 ng/dl over the course of 6 months just by getting more sleep, eating better, and exercising. It was still lowish for my age, but at least it put me in the acceptable range.

[–]Hoops_Junkie2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jesus 212? Very close to a woman at that point.

[–]berryfarmer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My T levels skyrocketed after removing animal products from my diet.

The biased response on this sub is you can't be a man without meat. Good luck with that.


[–]Pooddit 1 points1 points [recovered]

I was just reading about this in anabolic men. I even just bought a steel water bottle off amazon. I had worries about the content of my tap water, particularly chlorine, and it's connection to health problems. It did have a significant effect on my sleep quality when I began filtering the water with one of those basic filters but I am considering the reverse osmosis triple filter systems that are like 200 bucks. I started taking ZMA (zinc, magnesium, and b6) and have noticed changes. Same with Vit D. I have noticed changes in high intensity exercise like strength training and HIIT sprints.

I live less than a mile from one of the largest chemical companies in the united states that produces the plastics that make up just about every container we use. I often wonder what effects the fumes have on people. The operators in the plants all seem so... passive, some fat. Feminine. I went to school some of these guys 10 years ago and they were not like that then. This may have to do with being in a cushy job where they sit and look at computers all day. There is no drive to overcome anything. They also work shift work which is so bad for your health.

There used to be a store here at the chemical plant where they sold plastic products and my mother worked in the store. She was pregnant with my while she worked, I wonder if this had an effect. I have some gyno. My dad does not. My dad is thin and fit and over 60. He has no issues. I have issues with energy and getting pumped. He just "stays active" and is fine, while I'm over here working hard to stay fit and healthy and I'm only 29.

[–]swordshab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They're making the freaking frogs gay!!!!

[–]liquidrummer2 1 point2 points  (7 children)

"Science Inside" lol.... When did linking to and quoting articles become science? If you knew science you would have dose sizes in different products along with some statistically significant data points. Go back to the gym and leave the science to scientists. Red pill fail once again.

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Are you stupid? There's literally scientific research inside, and if you clicked on the last study you'd see that there's a lot of data points and real-world numbers on many products.

[–]eks91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]inscnmya 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Okay, what about tap water? I hear all kinds of rumors on how its tainted with a chemical so that people would be more obedient?

I drink water from plastic bottles mostly to be able to count the L of water I drink per day. I'm guessing its not good for my balls.... Is the solution to buy a reusable container?

[–]WolfofAnarchy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, a glass one would be better. Plastic is especially bad if those bottles are worn and sometimes get hot.

[–]Desadarius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All you can do is just do your best to avoid plastics. Use glass containers to store food and drink tap water out of glass bottles.

Or get on a cycle.

[–]rossiFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And when you turn 40, go get your test shots, boys. Insurance covers it usually.

[–]bumbuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're getting more estrogen in fast food than you are plastic leeching.

Not to say plastic isn't a culprit. But is cut out the worst offenders first before you go nuts otherwise

[–]pizzae 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't believe that plastic or any of these chemicals can change someone's beliefs from the truth, to lies. All it can do is affect ones mood and productivity, but it won't remove red pill thoughts.

[–]6-_-j 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately plastic is too big to fail. Maybe with enough pressure and light changes could be made to make it safer but as I see it, the profits are too big for corporations to ever stop producing it.

[–]un-supervised-savage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Carb backloading is Keto with a 1-5 carb up meals after a 10 day strict Keto diet. Keto works easier for a lot of folks because it's easier to cut carbs than to measure everything you eat. Calories in/calories out always applies. Keto just makes it easier to be in a calorie deficit with the added benefit of making you more insulin sensitive.

You can loose fat on a diet of only sugar and protein but you will be hungry as fuck because sugar and simple carbs for that matter are the least satiating food there is. People fail to loose weight because they fail to stay in a calorie deficit. Finding a diet that you can stick to is key. Keto isn't for everyone and it's not the only way. Hell the most successful diet Advise I've given was to eat 6-8oz of lean meat and 2cups of steamed green veggies before touching any carbs. Most feel full after that and can't eat many if any carbs. Carbs are vital to building muscle as fast as possible, more muscle = faster metabolism which makes staying lean easier. Carbs are only vital right after a workout when the muscles will absorb them for growth. The time of day that you eat them doesn't matter.

[–]Verne89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All those who were being tagged as "crazy conspiracy theorist" must be in a strange mind state now

[–]The_Gentleman_Thief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the other side of the fence:

Do you think all these xenoestrogens are affecting women adversely as well? I don't know of any study but would this cause girls to develop earlier and thus maybe overdevelop (not seeing the problem with this)? However women have 10% testosterone they produce naturally. I wonder with their own elimination of testosterone their fight or flight has become non-existent and thus become less confident and less aggressive and more emotional and as we see now, more difficult.

[–]Mescuzzi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone read about metals found in deodorants? When your applying deodorants on a daily basis to your armpits, that has to lower T production. Anyone know of any products without these T lowering chemicals?

[–]spacexjunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's so many underlying factors out there that can lower your testosterone. I believe that plastic may have an affect on t-levels, but in reality, how MUCH is that affect? Is plastics a HUGE contributing factor to lower t-levels, or is the affect.. minisucle? I want to see a study on those conditions. Your evidence was a study done on a few Chinese factory workers, wtf? There's no reason to spread fear into this community without having evidence that actually proves that plastics is a major contributor to lowering t levels. Honestly, your entire post made me cringe. All this male hamstering going on in the responses is honestly pretty fucking cringey too. Focus on being a better man, plastics ain't gonna stop you bud, lol.

[–]prodigy2throw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based on the research I've done on all this, all these external effects are trivial at best. The main thing is HIIT, eating well and often and keeping yourself busy/ motivated.

Aside from that there isn't much you can do about your TEST unless you decide to inject.

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So what the fuck am I supposed to do dude just not buy shit in plastic? Lmao

[–]idgaf- 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I dug a little deeper, and found this disturbing study:

From http://www.motherjones.com/food/2013/03/study-eating-fresh-local-and-organic-wont-protect-you-nasty-chemicals/

The handout-receiving group indeed showed no change, but for the catered local and organic diet group, BPA levels doubled and levels of the highly toxic phthalate DEHP jumped a stunning 2,377 percent.

Turns out, most milk and milk products have high levels. Even if organic, grass-fed, etc, due to the plastic tubing involved in milk production. There seems to be no way to avoid this if you want to drink milk.

Meat also has high levels, due to the plastic used transporting feed & feeding animals. Shit.

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