Blue Pill ExampleLiving with a female roommate after swallowing the Red Pill (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by fuzz0

A while ago, I got a new roommate. Let’s call her Jess. Jess and I are both the same age, and I would say fairly similar (income, looks, personality etc.). Now, before I get started, I would like to address the inevitable questioning about having a female roommate. We are not physically attracted to each other, have never and will never be intimate, and to be quite honest, I couldn’t give a shit if my roommate was male, female, or alien - as long as my bills get cut in half. We get on quite well and she is a good roommate.

Now, I swallowed the red pill earlier this year, and since Jess moved in, never before have I seen such a perfect example of literature coming to life. You know those exams in school or college you studied for, and then walked into the exam, read the paper, and thought to yourself “Fuck, I literally know all of this, I’ve read it all before”. Yeah? Well that’s how I thought watching the following events take place in front of my own eyes.

Guy number 1: A few years older than Jess and I (we’re early twenties). Decent looking guy in his own right, and certainly more established than a lot of the guys my age. They met on Tinder and started seeing each other soon after Jess moved in with me. Quite quickly I realised this guy was a bit of a beta. It seemed like every night he was over, buying food and hanging out with her. Jess and I would go out every Saturday night with mutual friends, and she would snapchat him drunken debauchery featuring myself and several of my guy friends. Guy number 1 did not like this, and made it known to her in a thinly veiled attempt of concealing his jealousy.

This went on for a few weeks. Several nights ago, Jess asked me if I wanted ice cream - to which I answered yes, assuming she was going to order some delivery. To my absolute fucking shock, she picks up her phone, calls guy number 1, and tells him she’s craving ice-cream. Mind you, this is 10pm at night and he wakes up for work very early in the morning. Sure enough, 30 minutes later guy number 1 rocks up with ice-cream. The kicker? He didn’t even get sex.

Guy number 2: Right in the middle of Jess’s interactions with guy number 1, she meets guy number 2 on a Tinder date. He drives over an hour to see her. During the date, she mentions her car is having mechanical issues. He proposes that she drive to his house, drop the car off so he can repair it for free, and in the mean time he will lend her his BRAND NEW sports car to drive while he fixes the car. Bear in mind, this is within 90 minutes of meeting her. While recounting the story to me later that night, she remarks that the offer from guy number 2 is “just fucking weird” and “way too nice, he’s just doing it for sex”. Unsurprisingly, she was completely turned off by this pathetic show of beta behaviour, and subsequently ghosted him.

Guy number 3: Jess meets him in a nightclub. He immediately starts talking about serious shit like world events and philosophy. He leaves for a few minutes to get drinks, and in his absence, his friend starts chatting up Jess. Guy number 3 returns, sees this, and literally has a mini tantrum. Soon after, he hands Jess a piece of paper with his phone number and name on it. Jess awkwardly holds it in her hand until she leaves the club (but not before snapchatting everyone a picture of the note ridiculing him).

Now, back to guy number 1. Jess and I were talking the other night about people we had been seeing, and guy number 1 came up. She mentioned key things such as “too nice”, “too clingy”, “drops everything to come see me”, and “sounds like he wants a relationship”. Two minutes later, she had reactivated her Tinder profile.

Fast forward to the next evening. Jess now has 14 “super likes” and has been messaged by no less than 10 guys in less than 24 hours. All of them want to take her on a date, and reply almost instantly to her messages.

All of this behaviour is not surprising to most of us. I found it so incredibly fascinating to experience it so intimately, especially after reading about it on some internet forum and struggling to accept it as reality. I hope this post sheds some light into the basics of red pill theory for the newbies among us.

[–]EmSeeElRoy 373 points374 points  (48 children)

I lived with a female roommate this past year and she came home from the bar with some dude, they fucked and he left right after and then some other dude came in about 30 minutes later to bring her food.

[–]MrAlligtor 23 points24 points  (1 child)

In other words, deliver dick, not food.

[–]DigitallyDisrupt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When she tries to feed you after, that's success.

[–]new_to_ball 1 points1 points [recovered]

That's just wrong. I couldn't live with someone like thst. Male or women if you are going to live with me you must be a decent human being.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 85 points86 points  (1 child)

Wrong? She's optimizing the gene pool. You should give her a trophy.

Of course, never fucking marry her.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'd say it would be extremely annoying to have people constantly coming and going from your apartment because of laziness.

[–]SmellsLikeNostrils 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Just wrong . Username checks out.

Welcome to TRP. It can get ugly. The pill is usually a tough swallow.

Read the sidebar material, and good luck.

[–]le_wolfe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well in that case you'll missing a lot of live TRP action...assumed that you don't sidebar at all

[–]slothsenpai 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Please tell me the second guy at least got to fuck

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I bet you can guessthe answer to that question

[–]TheSelfGoverned 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Lmao! He would be lucky if he got a "Thank you" and no insults.

[–]slothsenpai 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Bet he'd get labelled a "nice guy tm" the moment he realises and stops supplicating.

[–]Questionnaire7 0 points1 point  (2 children)

nice guy TM? What does tm stand for?

[–]EmSeeElRoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He ate her pussy. That's all I know. After some dudes dick was just in it.

[–]bartgus 468 points469 points  (29 children)

I kept reading hoping it would come to something like "then i fucked Jess in the ass"

[–][deleted] 196 points197 points  (7 children)

When you live with girl housemates banging them is just asking for trouble. Its like a much worse version of banging your coworkers. Don't shit where you sleep, just wait it out and bang them after one moves out. Speaking out of almost 4 years of living coed

[–]bolupua 103 points104 points  (5 children)

But its quite inevitable. Some day she will come home drunk and alone and sad and basically rape you. Happens all the time.

[–]Mans_Right_To_Choose 79 points80 points  (1 child)

She's drunk so she throws you down on the bed, tears off your pants, climbs on top of you, and you rape her, you perverted fuck! /s but good God I'm not wrong. :(

[–]cruzbmx 14 points15 points  (0 children)

not sure to laugh or feel sad

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Does this seriously happen? Never had a girl roommate but I imagine this can actually be pretty common.

Almost like a taboo fetish for her.

[–]1Metalageddon 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I had a tenant let themselves into my room during a party. She tried to walk in on me while I was showering (wasn't my party but my house).

I politely showed her the door and she began sobbing. Didn't work. Everyone knew what was going on. This was I think the third maybe fourth time she wandered or tried to wander in onto my cock. Including one time while I was sleeping. That was, that was really not cool. She was pretty basic, I mean out of all the guys there I was the only one who she couldn't have at all, I think that played a large part in it.

Didn't let her keep the lease. Too much drama.

[–]bolupua 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I was friends with a girl and lived in the same building. We were true friends, she was a model, basically a 9.5 or 10. She kept fucking truly horrible guys, she was dumb like that. I had oneitis with another girl so, zero attraction between us.

Until one night she drunkenly gets naked and gets into my beed to sleep. I sucked her tits all the night, didn't dare fucking her.

Next night, the same. This time I fucked her (in the ass, lol, had no condoms). It happens, mind you this was after 3 o 4 years of living almost together.

[–]nofilmynofucky 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can confirm, banged way too many flatmates in my younger years and it always always always resulted in massive drama. The easy pussy was never worth the fallout

[–]fuzz0[S] 68 points69 points  (4 children)

If I ever do end up fucking Jess in the ass, I will make sure to come back and update this post.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Pictures would make it better.

[–]bolupua 64 points65 points  (12 children)

The fact that he knows exactly what's going on on Jess love-life tell me that 1) he's not that alpha or 2) Jess want a piece of his dick.

[–][deleted] 104 points105 points  (3 children)

He said he's not attracted to her so IME she wants his cock.

I once had a clubbing buddy, a skinny brown chick that wore the kinds of clubbing dresses you only see in Instagram posts. We went out clubbing several times a week. She was Latina and everybody told me how hot she was. That thought never crossed my mind. Maybe it's how I knew her (our parents were good friends), maybe it's how much I knew her (god damn she was fucking stupid). Whatever the case she didn't give my dick the tingles.

Don't get me wrong she wasn't a beast. I could have stuck my dick in her if I was really really drunk... and then instantly regretted it but I was kind of a slut back then so who knows. Anyway we never smashed and I never tried.

God damn was she a killer wing man though. Rolling out with her got me so much ass it's not funny. Chicks would ask about my "date" or "friend" all the time. LOL. Nothing prequals you like a "hot" chick who you DGAF about.

I also introduced her to a pro-ball player I met. He spent so much money on her. I have no idea why they didn't stay together.

Anyway, she introduced me to my wife. First thing she said to her was "watch out he's trouble" and "he goes home with different chicks every night". LOL, thanks for the solid prequal. Years later we all had dinner (along with clubbing buddy's new husband, military guy) and my wife said it's obvious clubbing buddy always wanted me.

RP mother fuckers

[–]sharp7 109 points110 points  (1 child)

Its amazing how sometimes good looking girls can become horrifically unattractive when you learn how stupid they are.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem3 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's really stupid or smart but on "cloud 9" turns me off, I'll still bang them if their hot and its easy but nothing more...

[–]bartgus 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Yes i think she does want a piece of his dick.

[–]SilverGryphon 51 points52 points  (2 children)

Or he's an example of a Sigma male. such guys don't want to be Alphas but are not stupid and would never be beta males. He would still have success with women but he's wise enough to know that sleeping with a good roommate is tantamount to unnecessary drama.

[–]fuzz0[S] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Very good description of me, good observation. I've been working towards improving my more "alpha" traits since swallowing the pill, but your description of a Sigma male is pretty spot on up until this point in my life.

[–]ilovepooponmychest66 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a sigma male too one of these goddamn days I'll finally kill that fucker megaman

[–]yomo86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not engaging into speculation but when women see you either as die-hard alpha or just a guy who gives a shit about her pussy and is not connected to their love interests they open up quite quickly as to what degenerate shit they are up to. This is maxed out if she thinks she is worth more in your eyes when being very frank about her debauchery.

[–]ziggmuff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Welp this is exactly why im here.

Cheers, mate.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah i know... isn't this how ALL these stories end?

[–]ComplainyGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Redpill is iust another fantasy to some members huh?

[–]SasquatchMcKraken 62 points63 points  (13 children)

Several nights ago, Jess asked me if I wanted ice cream - to which I answered yes, assuming she was going to order some delivery

Who the fuck delivers ice cream, and what is their number?

[–]EdwardElric69 10 points11 points  (6 children)

There's actually a small company in my are called "Munchies Food Taxi" where you can ring them up, place an order and they will go get your food and deliver it to you.

[–]selfsufficientnigga 2 points3 points  (4 children)

[–]EdwardElric69 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I live in Limerick Ireland. I've also posted links to my Instagram on other sub reddits. Come find me.

[–]GizmodeGarage 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sup dude. I live in Clare haha

[–]SovereignSoul76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For your Midnight Munchingtons

[–]segagaga 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Domino's for example deliver Ben & Jerrys.

[–]thatwhitegirl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you live in a big enough city, there is delivery everything. NYC, you can get delivery breakfast brought to you at 6am outside your aparmtnet door every morning

[–]SmellsLikeNostrils 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Door dash will deliver ice cream from a fantastic local creamery.

Worth looking into

[–]etherealembryo 61 points62 points  (3 children)

Dated a girl a couple years ago (7 on a good an 8) she showed me her fb so i could how "annoying" the guys on fb can be! There had to have been atleast 100 messages all from different dudes. The most insane thing ive ever seen. Changed my life.

[–]PokeyTifu99 22 points23 points  (2 children)

The fact that anyone thinks messaging women on Facebook is a fundamental part of your game is embarrassing.

[–]etherealembryo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im sure thats just a portion of her life. Although i do think about her sometimes glad i got smart.

[–]PEDRO_de_PACAS_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha it can work, they just have to be in your circles and you must have high SMV and be pretty damn witty

[–]185poundsofhatredWIP 57 points58 points  (7 children)

I have a strong feeling that I have read this before.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (4 children)

Basically whenever someone lives with a girl they post some version of this cuz it's what happens every time

[–]185poundsofhatredWIP 19 points20 points  (3 children)

No, I mean exactly this post.

[–]Ganaria_Gente 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Are you..... Guy number 1 ??


[–]fuzz0[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Fuck! Maybe he knows I ate half the ice-cream that night...

[–]fuzz0[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I wrote it up from scratch just before posting it.

[–]killking72 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was starting to think I was the only one. Not a repost because the car thing is new.

[–]Phoenixtorment 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There has been a similar story here on a girl using a guy to bring food and such yes.

[–]Starter91 91 points92 points  (4 children)

I bet she named poor chap "free meal" on her phones contact list .

[–]LordDongler 41 points42 points  (2 children)

My LTRs cousin literally does this

[–]MrB0gus 73 points74 points  (6 children)

It always amazes how many red pill confirmations I see now. It's always like every time I talk with a woman I see one.

The other day a co-worker was talking about how she always starts fights with her boyfriend because "she can't help it", and he refuses to talk to her while she is emotional. She said it makes her so mad when he does it, but she actually likes it, and he is actually right because she is starting a fight over nothing.

[–]Docbear64 51 points52 points  (4 children)

Women know they are crazy That's why doormats are so unattractive. If she can be a bitch to you and no matter what she does she knows you'll stick around like a sad puppy how could she possibly respect you ? When women do insane women things let them throw their tantrum because you have anything better to do than suffer a women can't control herself. She can talk to you once she gets herself under some semblance of control .

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Aint nobody got time for dat.

[–]Toolman890 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If she can be a bitch to you and you're dumb enough to stay in the relationship regardless of whether you 'put her in her place' or not, and then she can just do it all over again, how could she possibly respect you? No wonder most girls aren't sexually attracted to their long-term partners.

[–]theundeadburg 1 points1 points [recovered]

Your post is hard to read, are you native American?

[–]WastedPotential 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It really shouldn't surprise you though. It's kind of like saying "It always amazes me how much of the territory is familiar now that I've studied with the map."

[–]SilverGryphon 29 points30 points  (10 children)

Another article that was difficult to read. Good English and structure but I ended up full of rage when I read about the beta provider behaviors.

Even before I swallowed the Redpill I was not that stupid, at most women only got validation from me (now they get zilch). I guess being an introverted miser has its benefits.

[–]fuzz0[S] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

I don't feel anger anymore, just disbelief. You know what the worst part is? Jess really isn't even that bad. She doesn't go on dates that often, and only usually has 1-2 guys going at once. Her friend "Sarah" on the other hand... Now that is a post for another time.

[–]rp_newdawn 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Start gathering data... we will expect a well thought out Sarah post in the near future

[–]askmrcia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why? We already know about the slutty girls in their young twenties. Same shit we see posted here time and time again.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem3 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I did the whole dating thing in my 20s...you know the routine: first coffee or ice cream (summer), then a movie, and the third date was dinner. Each date I esculated, first kiss, then kiss feel her up, and after dinner and some wine, invite her back to my place...if i got action on the movie date, i was confident enough to close after the next dinner date...needless to say it got expensive. I had "success" with this process.

But after dates with probably 15 different girls, I started seeing one girl more regularly, she eventually implied to me "why did I wait so long to fuck her." I eventually just cut it to a cup of coffee or meet up for a cocktail and despensed with the rest. I would say it shaked out about the same.

But I'll be damned if I would act like the 3 betas in the story, that's just a whole new level...none of them got any action..I wasn't that bad.

[–]fuzz0[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In all fairness to guy number 1, he was getting fairly regular action for a while. Was it worth the time and effort he put in? Maybe. Regardless, even though he "was really good in bed and obviously experienced", his beta behaviour sealed his fate.

[–]crakk 4 points5 points  (1 child)

A lock isn't really meant to keep everyone out, its mainly just to keep honest people honest... Or something like that (by the way, the girls puss is going to represent the lock here if it wasn't obvious yet lol). So a girl that likes the 3 dates is most likely going to have a lower partner count, which is a good thing. Its not a full proof plan, but it definitely can help if your goal is quality over quantity, then it's my recommend plan. If you want quantity over quality, then by all means disregard the 3 dates and try to fuck on the first meeting. Not judging either way, to each their own.

Edit: spelling

[–]DigitallyDisrupt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So a girl that likes the 3 dates is most likely going to have a lower partner count, which is a good thing.

Nope. Fail. Re-read the side bar.

Look up born again virgin ya putz. And quit giving out BAD advice.

[–]TheSelfGoverned 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Even before I swallowed the Redpill I was not that stupid, at most women only got validation from me (now they get zilch).

Same. I was a fool who thought that having quality time, conversation, and respect were how you establish a relationship with a woman. Disney bullshit, basically.

Now I ignore them, point out their flaws, and act like they're bothering me. Works wonders. I sometimes have a hard time believing it, but you can't argue with results.

[–]Thynome 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I just discovered this sub and reading comments like these make me question my whole life up until now.

[–]DigitallyDisrupt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just discovered this sub and reading comments like these make me question my whole life up until now

Literally why we exist. We pull the drapes back so you can see the evil machinery.

Disney shit? Written by men, because MEN are the romantics. Disney shit is male fantasy of what we wish would happen. But that's not reality, reality is most women (single/available, mainly in the West) are terrible creatures.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Seriously these betas just make it easier for red pill guys to get laid. I ALWAYS go for first night sex, initiate kino right at the beginning, make the conversation sexual. You can't negotiate attraction so buying ice cream and fixing cars actually reduces your chances. So guys, escalate early and don't try and buy her.

[–]grewapair 1 points1 points [recovered]

Imagine if there were an app where an hour after you signed up, you had 100 matches and 14 super likes, most of them with girls way out of your league.

You wouldn't do shit for any of them. You'd tell them to come over, give you what you wanted, and literally not give a single one of them anything they wanted because an hour later, you'd have 100 more likes and 14 more super likes.

Now you know why you have to workout several times a week, earn a 6 figure income, expend the mental energy to hold frame and pass shit tests/comfort tests, and in return, you pretty much get almost nothing you want in return. Now you know why you have to struggle to bring yourself to an 8 just to "date" a 4. Now you know why your wife will keep you around until the kids are in school a full day and then divorce your ass and go get 14 more super likes in an hour, and invite the guy over to the house you're paying for.

[–]Ass-a-holic 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Screw working that hard for a four, if only guys knew how fun and easy banging escorts was they wouldn't put up with this shit

[–]uebermacht 65 points66 points  (10 children)

One fucked-up experience in my early beginnings I had pleasure with, as one of my plates got called by her boyfriend while we screwed (raw!) like monkeys on cocaine. After sex she took her iPhone out off the bed chink and called back her boyfriend while laying on my chest, only to tell him he should pick her up next day.
You can't imagine how my ego boosted to Mars while being disgusted by her behavior.

[–]wile2u 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Currently doing this with my 2nd ex wife. Her on the phone with her bf, trying to keep from moaning while he is talking to her. All the while in his bed.

[–]Sativa_Dreams 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Bruh don't double dip with the wives before you know it you'll get dickered into her trap for the second time

[–]wile2u 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Brua, ain't double dipping. Taking her to pound town, while she is riding the O train. Her bf can't take care of business, besides he cleans up my mess afterwards.

[–]Sativa_Dreams 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well first of all if you're fucking your ex... you're double dipping lol. No matter what type of fucking it is you're double dipping simple as that. I ain't saying you fallen into her trap just saying there's a reason she's your ex and if she got you the first time she can get you again. She knows how you are so even if you think you're bullet proof she can still manipulate around you.

On the other hand some bimbo from a bar don't know ya at all so you can have total domination. I always pick a new girl over the ex.

[–]4juice 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Great that you are able to read the situations that are happening around you and to use it as an example for yourself how beta bucks and alpha fucks.

[–]LightBearCares 13 points14 points  (23 children)

Can't say much but I have a similar situation as well, except that she's my landlord that lives with me and my other guy roommate. I come home from work and she's having a "talk" with some good-looking dude that has his Range Rover parked outside, and they're sitting pretty close to each other. It gets me a little heated that she has a boyfriend that she broke up with and got back together with, only so that he can take care of her son (on top of his two other girls from another relationship) while she's dating other guys. Monkey branching at its finest. "I see no evil, I hear no evil." All I can do is keep my mouth shut while I pay her my rent, and watch it all come down with a clueless face.

[–]fuzz0[S] 19 points20 points  (22 children)

I really can't blame these women. I would likely do the same in their situation (unlimited options, get a free pass from society etc.). Besides, it's literally in their genetic programming to do shit like this. Fuck a load of Alphas for their superior DNA and genetics, get pregnant , then find a Beta to care and provide for the child.

[–]easilyconfused1812 1 points1 points [recovered]

I can't speak for all women but for myself and most of my friends, the concept of having a child with one man and then ending up with another, or having another child with a second man, is embarrassing as fuck. =/ Where do you find these women who are like...let me get the hottest seed but then leave so someone mediocre can support us. Isn't the goal to pin down (and KEEP) the alpha? Or do you just mean that we are normally unsuccessful in retaining an alpha so we're left with betas? Either way...what you just described is my WORST NIGHTMARE, to the point that if I ever have a child and my relationship fails, that's it I'm just having one child then, and I'll be single till my kid is raised. Last thing I want is my life to resemble an episode of Maury.

[–]fuzz0[S] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

the concept of having a child with one man and then ending up with another, or having another child with a second man, is embarrassing as fuck.

I agree, but look at the number of single mothers out there. I see it all the time on my Facebook and Tinder profiles, and I'm quite young (<24). Many women will get with the young stud/Alpha, somehow fall pregnant, and for one reason or another the man leaves or they break up. Then, they need to look for a provider male to look after themselves and the child, since they won't be able to get another Alpha due to the kid + their decreased SMV.

Where do you find these women who are like...let me get the hottest seed but then leave so someone mediocre can support us

The trouble is, I doubt most women actively think like this. They are usually at the height of their SMV (early twenties, good body etc.) and can somewhat easily attract an Alpha for sex. Then, the woman either wants to get pregnant, or accidentally falls pregnant, and then for one reason or another the guy does not stick around. Then, that's when the hunt for a Beta provider begins.

Isn't the goal to pin down (and KEEP) the alpha?

Yes. The trouble is that a lot of women either think they can do better, don't want to settle down right then, or can't keep the Alpha around (if he's a true Alpha, he likely has better women to pursue). Sometimes an Alpha can resort to Beta tendencies in a relationship, which the woman may find unattractive causing her to cheat or break up.

Either way...what you just described is my WORST NIGHTMARE

Me too, although from the other side of the table. I cannot imagine what it must be like to care about a woman, have kids with her, share a home and your life with her, and then she suddenly leaves for a guy she finds more attractive. The only advice I can give is to find a relatively Alpha guy who can exhibit Beta traits when necessary e.g. providing for the family, sacrificing things in his life when necessary etc. That is this sub's common consensus for what constitutes a successful relationship. You don't want to have a baby with Chad Thundercock with 8 pack abs who spins 15 plates, neither do you want to have a baby with Billy Beta who spoils you with gifts and needs constant attention 24/7. Something right in the middle (but leaning more towards Alpha) is your best bet.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Yeah the single mom thing has gotten entirely out of hand. It's easily the most embarrassing thing millennials have done to society. Those kids are gonna be so emotionally damaged

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Someone commented "am I really blaming millennials for that?" Can't find exactly where on on thread using the app. But anyways yes I do, not entirely obviously but more and more each passing day people seem to care less about upholding their marriage vows or young women simply aren't bothering to get married to begin with and are just having mini imitation marriages where ppl move in together but can just walk anytime. Then they get pregnant..the b prior generation at least TRIED to pull something together lol. But really what I blame most for damaging millenial is the Internet, period. Anyone ever watched the netflix docuseries Hot Girls Wanted? Not the movie version but the episodes. It should basically be called How the Internet Ruined the World. We have way too much advertising, info, people looking to hookup and unrealistic expectations constantly at our fingertips to ever be happy with what we've got. Least that's how I view it.

[–]Patriarchysaurus 6 points7 points  (13 children)

The idea goes along the lines that, in the current SMP: alphas don't need to dispense love or resources in order to get sex.

You can't "keep an alpha" because the very nature of being "kept" means he has been made a beta in the sexual power structure. Alphas are promiscuous and don't commit because they are maximising the male sexual strategy (plant as many seeds [sperm] in as many fertile gardens as possible). The female sexual strategy is the one that prioritises continual extraction of commitment and resources from males (keep her garden protected and provided for). In other words, any man who decides to place the female sexual imperative above his male imperative would be a textbook beta.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (12 children)

Interesting, and unfortunate lol. Hypothetically though, could you not be an alpha and commit for trophy wife/ social conformity purposes but also have discreet women on the side? I.e. a powerful man in politics or a professional athlete etc

[–]Patriarchysaurus 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Yes, that's a common practice for political figures and celebrities. But that has nothing to do with love or sex, only power and PR.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

You don't think they have any love at all for this woman they share their live with, the mother of their children? You could be right, just seems so insane. Lol god help us all

[–]Patriarchysaurus 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Context matters. Do you think Hilary is deeply in love with Bill? How about Ivanka and Trump? Are those two men faithful husbands? Do you think the words "trophy wife/husband" imply anything other than material/social exchange?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Well yes I see your point. Those are extreme examples. I guess I just have a hard time believing that being a top notch alpha genetically means you likely don't love your wife/SO but alas your point is most true alphas won't get hitched. These are disturbing notions.

[–]Patriarchysaurus 5 points6 points  (5 children)

The only reason alpha men ever married was for posterity and societal cohesion based on family units. The demolition of paternal rights and the nuclear family has done away with all of the benefits men gained by committing to & caring for a single woman, the most disturbing part is still to come.

What happens when the fabric of society is so tattered and twisted, when frustrated perpetually single men and women realise they've both been on a carousel to nowhere their entire adult lives? When Tinder and Bumble are where kids' parents met? A world full of misery, unwanted children, and a metric fuckton of collapse, that's what.

[–]DigitallyDisrupt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

but also have discreet women on the side?

One of our sayings, a woman would rather share an alpha than have a committed beta to themselves.

I've heard the incarnation of those words with my own ears, from a supplicating woman more than once and could not believe it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I'm aware this happens. Was just wondering if it's not possible for an alpha man to have a wife who he does love and respect to a point as his life partner, but have other women cause it's enjoyable. Cause it seemed the theme was that if he's a true alpha he can't actually truly love her, it means he's lost frame.

[–]rp_newdawn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The goal is always to keep the alpha but the women are shit and the alpha has options

[–]DigitallyDisrupt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Where do you find these women

Pretty much any "single" woman in my state has a kid. It's pretty sad.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What state are you in? I'm Canadian i think there's a bit less of it here but there's still A LOT. Yeah I know its common and rampant my question was more like. Where do you find these women that actually WANT to have kid with one guy then try to find another to marry. I think it's more that they have a kid whether intentionally or not. Then it doesn't work out for a variety of reasons. Then next best thing is settle for the help/companionship of a nice guy.

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Huge difference for us guys. These whores are sneaky and lying about it.

If I had limited options I wouldn't even try to hide it. Because you know why? The more options you have the more women are attracted to you.

Lying and being sneaky just seems more wrong and disugsting to be honest. You have dudes putting in their actual TIME that they will never get back to try and get with these women, but these women are lying and can't even respect it.

You can't compare yourself to women saying "if I was a woman I would do the same thing so I can't blame them." That's fucking bullshit because you wouldn't need to lie about it.

Fuck a load of Alphas for their superior DNA and genetics, get pregnant , then find a Beta to care and provide for the child.

This just sounds made up and I get tired of seeing this shit thrown around here on red pill. These women are not screwing guys with superior genes. Not every guy with muscles is getting ass. You'd be surpried how many guys on a college football team has a flock of women after them.

Some skinny dip shit in a local band can be getting some ass and he has no "superior genes."

Face it these women are fucked up, have commitment issues and the only REASON they try to change up when they are thirty is because the men that they wanted earlier in their 20s no longer wants them. It has little to do with finding a beta to take care of their kids. Women in their 20s want those alphas to commit, but at the same time these same women are always looking to upgrade.

And this is seen as you described in your story, trust me, if those stay like how they are, they will not be getting any women to commit to them in the future. Hence why they are most likely struggling with tinder whores.

I liked your post but we have to be careful because your comment makes it seem like you are looking at it black and white.

[–]usedsparingly 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Fun to see examples like this from an outside perspective. Helps me to remember what never to do.

[–]Sophrosyne100 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Just fuck Jess so she'll finally shut the fuck up.

[–]muddynips 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Imagine the desperation your roommate would feel if everything wasn't enthusiastically given to her. Women may love their entitlements, but betas are the ones that made this possible.

Never negotiate attraction.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Jess and I would go out every Saturday night with mutual friends, and she would snapchat him drunken debauchery featuring myself and several of my guy friends. Guy number 1 did not like this, and made it known to her in a thinly veiled attempt of concealing his jealousy.

I really believe that this dynamic is prevalent when it comes to male/female interaction but is largely misunderstood by everyone, especially women. Hear me out.

What's happening here is that Jess is showing this fella what she is capable off a.k.a. being a drunken loose hoe in the making. The guy doesn't like this everyone gets that. But every party doesn't understand why except for him. You see, Jess thoughts go a little bit like this: "Omg, I'm making him jealous! He really cares about me if this upsets him, i'll use that against him. I'm so hawt". Meanwhile most guys reading this story including OP and his friends who witness it think comparably the same: "Damn what an idiot, he's jealous because we're flirting and being touchy with Jess. What's he worried about".

But i'm afraid everyone missed the point entirely. Possibly even the guy himself at times. You see what this guy is subconsciously thinking is this: "Fucking hell I really like Jess, she made a good impression on me. Why is she doing this kind of shit that's turning me off? If she keeps going like this i'll have to ditch her. Yet another girl, I'm sick of this".

But this is expressed in such a way that it appears as jealousy while in fact it's the opposite. The guy is starting to feel less and less for the girl in question and he doesn't want, things were fine. Guys have an anti-cuck defence wired into their system. And Jess is showing she's a high risk chick by acting like this. You can compare this to women having an anti-beta pussy force field.

Now don't misunderstand, it's still a sign of scarcity mentality and therefor a beta attitude. But the only way to not get this reaction about a girl is to become a dark triad sociopath that doesn't care about breaking off contact with people. Normal people invest emotionally in the people they see often. And that's why this culture and society is creating emotionless sociopaths men by the day.

It's the only way to deal with society and women nowadays.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I would't have thrown a tantrum, but would have found a quick way to end things (probably just wouldn't have called her anymore). Unless I had oneitis for the girl the only thing that would have upset me about the scenario is the reminder that women can't be trusted. The upsetting thing is my awareness as a man that you have to jump through hoops for women, but periodically get evidence that so many of them are shit. It's insulting that you have to make overtures when the return on investment is so low, but it's also an outcropping of biological hardwiring, so wishing it away won't make it go away.

So of course you learn game to find ways to keep the investment you're placing in a women to the absolute minimum, while maximizing returns. That's the solution, but you are still exerting effort. The biological reality is such that women will not flock to you unless your SMV is near rock star high, or a war occurs that kills off half of the male population.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I would't have thrown a tantrum, but would have found a quick way to end things (probably just wouldn't have called her anymore). Unless I had oneitis for the girl the only thing that would have upset me about the scenario is the reminder that women can't be trusted.

That's bottles down to personality ofcourse. This guy didn't know what else to do. Someone with abundance would know better. We do throw the word Oneitis around recklessly but it boils down to whether you like a girl or not, it's a natural thing to have. It's just that this guy gets it way to early. You should start caring after she passed the slut tests. It's a good point you raised though. Sometimes I meet girls and some of their behavior upsets me, but not because I care for them at all. But it reminds me how fucked up women can be.

The upsetting thing is my awareness as a man that you have to jump through hoops for women, but periodically get evidence that so many of them are shit. It's insulting that you have to make overtures when the return on investment is so low, but it's also an outcropping of biological hardwiring, so wishing it away won't make it go away.

I can relate. It's made much worse by society. You having to put so much work in for such little return. This is why men are committing less and less. But you can't change the world and changing society takes time.

The biological reality is such that women will not flock to you unless your SMV is near rock star high, or a war occurs that kills off half of the male population.

Even if your SMV is in the top 10% you will find lots of new problems. Such is life.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Stories like this teach a lot more to me than any reading on theory

[–]DigitallyDisrupt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Theory is distillation, you don't have a campfire and an eternity to listen to the elders talk, you should learn to read theory.

[–]AsianGurlsHawt 8 points9 points  (0 children)

When I meet a girl on Tinder, a fun game I like to play in person is to message stupid shit to guys from her Tinder account. It is a lot of laughs. You also see how fucking easy it is for an average girl to get guys online. You can literally swipe right 100 guys and match 75% of them.

[–]VictxrSenpai 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not gonna lie... those betas and guys who message every bitch, have REALLY fucked up and tainted the game for the rest of us real dudes out here. These bitches in 2017 are full of themselves cause these beta assholes keep constantly inflating their egos and pampering to their requests.

[–]NavyBlueCrow 15 points16 points  (1 child)

These guys have no dignity.

[–]grondjuice0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree. Dont know whos worse here. Jess or the betas

[–]ther0ach 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This kinda forced me to reread the sidebar again..

[–]TheStumblingWolf 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Thanks for sharing. Gender dynamics truly is an interesting thing.

I've had a female friend as a roommate for a couple of months. I know her boyfriend, and for various reasons she needed a place to be or she'd be out on the street. Her boyfriend refused to leave his current situation and get a place with her so I offered her a room in my apartment (I have a lot of space). While she is attractive, I'm only mildly attracted to her. She has many traits that you could call beta if it was a man.

The point is that from the get go we both had the same expectations - no sex, no attraction etc. This made it a very nice couple of months. She cleaned after herself, cooked sometimes and sometimes cleaned the whole place and was very eager to share the expenses. We even discussed some red pill topics. She's from an eastern european country and firmly believed men should lead. In fact, many of the things we talked about were quite interesting and we had a nice time.

Like you I was witness to many different situations between her and her boyfriend (he creates a lot of drama), so it was interesting to see what they did and why.

I think if you make sure your expectations are in line with reality, cohabitation is possible if you know what you're getting into. I don't regret having her as a roommate in any case.

[–]fuzz0[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've never had a problem living with women. Something about the whole situation just completely turns off any physical attraction I have towards them. I'm so averse to drama at home and losing a source of income (her half of the bills), that the thought never even enters my mind. But god damn is it interesting to see stuff like what I mentioned in my post. It's like living a science experiment every day, where every time you wake up you hear about another crazy development.

[–]TheRecycledMale 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great post. It shows how important it is to become AWARE ... to observe. Read the materials provided ... then just start observing life around you.

[–]JoeStanTheIV 4 points5 points  (2 children)

She sounds hot. U sure ur not attracted to her?

[–]The_Gentleman_Thief 30 points31 points  (0 children)

White ✔️

Not fat ✔️

Under 30 ✔️

She'll get matches with 75% or more of thirsty dudes out there.

Attention is meaningless when it comes to betas.

[–]fuzz0[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I am very sure. I've even been highly intoxicated around her and never once thought of escalating sexually. I am just not physically attracted to her, and I don't want to fuck up a source of income (she pays half the bills).

[–]Bing400 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You'll fuck her when you're drunk

[–]orr250mph 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And regret it when he sobers up.

[–]Bing400 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol ofc, he signed a fucking lease with her.. Christ that's risky man.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Never ever make too much effort. Lead. But that does not mean excess effort. Easy to confuse the two. One will get you laid. The other will get you played.

[–]RighteousSouljah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wow women are horrid demonic creatures and males are fucking disgusting dickless floor mat pieces of shit who will eat the shit out of a whores ass and slurp the stds right out of her pussy.

[–]holographical 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keep & run it like a business relationship (because that's what it is).

[–]1KissTheBridesmaid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kinda surprised at how surprised people are. This is quite standard behaviour and not even that bad at all compared to shit I see on a daily basis. But I guess it proves that these kind of reminders are actually much needed.

[–]joner888 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Revolt against the modern (and decadent) world . A great "Redpill" on society as a whole is Julius Evolas book "Revolt against the modern world"

[–]8008bumbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you know her before you moved in with her?

[–]rahl_r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The impression I gained from the story? HUMILIATION.

Don't be guy no. 1. Or guy no. 2. Or guy no. 3.

If you can maintain your integrity, set concrete boundaries around these basic women. If you can't do that, or if you tend to slip from time to time, like me, then best not get involved with them at all.

She mentioned key things such as “too nice”, “too clingy”, “drops everything to come see me”, and “sounds like he wants a relationship”.

And what exactly is wrong with that? This a sign of weakness as well nowadays? Wow, that's just SO fucked up...

[–]Questionnaire7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How does Jess rank out of 10?

[–]dangercat415 1 points1 points [recovered]

Here's the fucked part.

It USED to be an unwritten rule that if a male offered something for a female she would fuck him in return.

Even fucking PRIMATES do this. Seriously. Female primates will offer sex in exchange for food, protection etc.

Now human males do this too. I don't necessarily mind this as long as I keep my frame and I'm not kissing her ass.

However, somewhere along the line the betas got in a line and skipped this implicit trade for the HOPE that she would put out.

I say we ditch the unwritten rule and make it explicit.

"Want me to bring you ice cream? Sure. What do I get in return!"

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Or, you could say, "I'm glad you called because I'm really fucking horny".

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Women have no sense of honor or fairness yeah.

But this was guy's fault. He built their relationship around free stuff, and prolly didnt escalate, while being clingy.

[–]FatStig 1 points1 points [recovered]

of course women don't understand honor like men do. because they are fucking women. not men. all you halfway homos looking for s best friend in a mate are the problem.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Truer words have never been spoken.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Well honestly I'm ok with a woman saying no to sex because that's their prerogative. If You're stupid enough as man to operate on covert contracts, you're going to get taken advantage of as described in the post. THAT'S THE GAME.

"Want me to bring you ice cream? Sure. What do I get in return!"

If You're doing shit like this to get laid, You don't get it. Read the side bar. There was never an implicit contract of men doing things and women fucking them for it. If that did exist, i feel sorry for those men. The point of TRP is to become a top tier man so that women fuck you because they want to fuck you. You are THAT desirable. Anything less is beta.

[–]DigitallyDisrupt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You miss his point. It used to NOT be covert contract, because both parties knew the implied contract.

The fact that daddy govt started giving handouts to breeders, made them used to handouts for free.

[–]1mental_models 3 points4 points  (0 children)

not sure why you're getting down-voted. Good post. Trading money or resources for sex can be great- provided you are in control of the power-dynamic. Trading money or resources to be a beta orbiter is fucked up. Jess sounds like she has had a taste of her high SMV on things like Tinder and FB and has become absolutely corrupted by it.

[–]zayelion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is little men can give women they can not get on their own now unless their life situation is seriously screwed. That dynamic is still very much there, its just far more unique and you have to figure things out as far as in what ways they will respond. They usually signal this.

[–]DigitallyDisrupt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Google: covert contracts

That's what has happened.

load more comments (3 replies)