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MetaNobody Gives a Fuck About Your List (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil

One of the oldest Manosphere traditions is to write a laundry list of things men need to do in order to become Alpha. Lift! Be Confident! Abundance Mentality! Game! Hygene! Here's an interesting thing to think about: Who is the intended audience for your list?

Well let me answer that question for you my dear gentilesir, if you are posting your magic list to the Red Pill your audience is the 18-23 year old ADHD Masterbation crew. Now really think about this demographic.

Pretend for a minute that we took your magic list and read it to an 18 year old man child. Lift! Frame! Abundance! What would happen? What would be the compliance rate. Well it would be zero.

Because your list is generating Zero emotional investment. Man Children allready have tons of people telling them what to do: Teachers, Parents, Prostitutes in Jerkoff instructional videos. Frankly they are overload with advice. They are paralized. In order for your advice to be followed it has to feel better than noscoping a noob at bomb site B.

Everyone already knows generally what they should be doing. So if you are going to write the millionth list at least romanticise it. These boys are looking for meaning. Create meaning for them so they have a reason to emotionally invest in self improvement.

Convince them that folding their clothes is Alpha, because Navy Seals fold their clothes. Make lifting into a spiritual journey. Talking to women should feel like a psychological adventure. It's not hard. They are young. They get excited very easily.

At the end of the day all writing is persuasion and that goes double at TRP. Bullet points arnt persuasive. You are writing for men not coding a database. Sell your ideas to your audience. Or just go back to communicating with no regard for your audience, because that's litteraly what Retards and Autists do.


[–]Shukakun 72 points73 points  (9 children)

You're right, and I'm guilty as hell of this manchild behavior. It's really fucking easy to know what you should do to become better. Hell, I have multiple books about it. Knowing what to do is not a problem.

The problem is going from theory to execution. I'm sure many regular readers here do this. You know you should lift, socialize, live frugally and invest, read educational books (not for entertainment, to actually apply it). Still, you stay in your miserable but comfortable little bubble filled with daily habits such as staring at your computer/phone, playing video games, masturbating, never talking to people (especially not new people), and eating delicious food that will just make you more unattractive and unhappy.

Finding meaning and pursuing it is no easy thing. You've spent so many years enjoying instant gratification and not giving a fuck about the future, so when you try to make a 180, you're met with resistance. Vicious habits like that are hard to break, but you absolutely have to.

[–]alltrueism 19 points20 points  (7 children)

Lifting and learning I have down. I've been avoiding the socializing because I'm the typical quiet intellectual that hates small talk and only comes out to swim at a depth nobody else dives to. Without the social, it just feels like I'm going through the motions though. Everything you said is extremely relatable however.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 23 points24 points  (2 children)

typical quiet intellectual

Typical antisocial kid with an inflated ego.

FTFY

[–]alltrueism 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm 34 with social anxiety and trust issues. I do indeed people watch and judge instead of networking, so you are right about the ego. It's something I'm working on with meditation and getting out of my comfort zone.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm working on with meditation and getting out of my comfort zone.

I'd argue more of the latter, less of the former. One thing that helped when I had anxiety attacks, lift heavy. killing you CNS is the greatest way to force your body to calm the fuck down

[–]Crailberry 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm here with ya brother. I lift consistently, spend many hours learning how to program well, good hygiene......hell I'm not even bad at taking women out. But goddamn my social skills suck. Especially in group settings. Considering getting a life coach for this aspect of my life.

[–]cruzbmx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

man this is so true. it's such a skill to be able to relate with anybody. To behave agreeably in such a way is so impressive.

[–]Phoenixtorment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to hate small talk. Then I learned that it's 0 about the content. It's a greeting to each other. You acknowledge and respect each other's presence.

Why do you small talk?

Why do you give someone a handshake when you meet them?

Same thing.

[–]willard_swag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're limiting yourself. You don't need to have a lot to contribute to a conversation for it to work in your favor. Something I've done with great success is to make a claim which invokes discussion. Then I simply 'listen' (and formulate critical responses to allow the other person to continue talking). You'll learn more about people very quickly. That way, you're able to be involved socially, take control in a social situation, and not allow yourself to become an anti-social beta. And then you'll have people around who actually want to listen to what you have to say when you say it because you'll most likely be perceived as wise.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Twice today

the trick is to go and fuck it up, lots.

[–]185poundsofhatredWIP 174 points175 points  (1 child)

Or just make a list, don't actually write it down and tell us to watch your youtube video. My inner autist gets extremely aroused by that.

[–]ChadThundercockII 78 points79 points  (0 children)

As a 23 year old ADHD Masterbation crew who likes instructional Jerkoff videos, I agree with this.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (0 children)

u/HumanSockPuppet dropped this GEM a few days ago...

You want to know what The Red Pill is about? Here is what it is about:

You are a man. You are the only creature on this planet fit to accomplish anything of worth. And because of that, the rest of the world will always try to twist your mind, or twist your arm - to force you, by deception or by threat of imprisonment, to accomplish their goals instead of your own. Learn to recognize when this is happening, and take back control of your life so you can do the things that YOU want to do.

First and only time I've used the save button.

[–]VenusHypergamy 49 points50 points  (1 child)

has to feel better than noscoping a noob at bomb site B.

Wow @GayLubeOil is so hip and relatable. <33 XD

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

[–]2kPoundGuerilla 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I think the real issue with the laundry list items style of posts is the feeling of accomplishment people get simply by reading them. They feel like they're somehow more "Alpha" or "red-pilled" because they read all the things that go into someone else's definition of how to be. In reality, they keep on living their incel lives, but thinking they're some Casanova because "they know" how to get girls.

They become the overweight fitness trainers and the indebted financial advisors of the world. I agree. Fuck your list.

[–]Dunyain_Disciple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So true. They feel like they have the key.

Only you have to also put it in, turn it and push the super heavy door in order to get where you want to be as a person.

[–]Philhelm 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Masterbation

I expected more from GayLubeOil.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (16 children)

*Masturbation

number 4 on my list of things not to do, after sugar, coffee and hot showers.

[–]Hung_Chad 104 points105 points  (3 children)

You can pry my coffee out of my cold dead hands.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 79 points80 points  (2 children)

+1

Also my schlong. From my warm hands. In the hot shower.

[–]sigma272 44 points45 points  (0 children)

This is prime material for one of those multi-level brain memes. The most woke level being "drinking sweetened coffee with one hand while masturbating with the other, in a hot shower"

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure this has been documented extensively online.

[–]abstractplebbit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What's wrong with coffee nigga Just because Bruce lee didn't drink it doesn't mean it's bad as long as you don't fuck it up with sugar

I think there are studies published about coffee correlating with slightly longer life spans - but nonetheless I don't think it's objectively bad for you

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I go with the as needed approach, at times it has been years between them, not because I'm some religious no fap twat, but because I have girls do it for me. Orgasms are better when someone else does it for you.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 1 point2 points  (7 children)

why not coffee? i wanna cut down my coffee/cafeine intake but im curious at this.

[–]The_DogeWhisperer 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Same here. I use coffee as preworkout because I thought it had no adverse effects.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Yep. I just want to cut down on coffee because:

  1. I drink too much of it. I dont wanna drink too much of anything besides water. I don't want to become dependant on it.

  2. I dont wanna become "resistant" to caffeine.

  3. Bad for the teeth when you drink 1.5L-2L of it everyday like me 365 days / year.

[–]The_DogeWhisperer 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Jesus Christ bro that's a lot of coffee...

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yep.. First thing i do in the morning is brew coffee fill up my 0.5L mug and put a lid on it to preserve the heat of the coffee, then fill up another 2 cups that i will drink on the spot, then the day has begun... And then i drink consistently throughout the day and brew more when i run out.

[–]The_DogeWhisperer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I can't imagine the headaches you must get if you don't have your daily coffee

[–]JohnnyM93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Coffee is fine. Just don't pound back 10+ espresso shots a day like I used to do, and you'll be fine.

[–]thenotoriousDK 18 points19 points  (1 child)

"In order for your advice to be followed it has to feel better than noscoping a noob at bomb site B"
God damn that's funny

[–]kRkthOr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tall order for anything, list or otherwise, to be perfectly honest.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 27 points28 points  (5 children)

I can't give half a fuck about if some lazy retard finally decides that it is time to peel his sweaty back from his office chair and take his fate into his hands.

If knowing the truth, that you are a pathetic asstard that nobody in this world will give a shit about if you yourself don't, doesn't motivate you, nothing else does.

What am I supposed to do later? Grab a mandoline and sing you bard's tales about gains while you are trying to fumble the weights on the barbell so you don't get bored? Hold your hands and whisper dirty stories into your ear while you are pondering if or if not you should escalate and put your hand around her back or not, so you stay motivated?

Fuck that lazy weaklings. Less competition for me.

My audience are the people that are willing to listen and - most importantly - act and make a change for themselves. I don't sell ideas, I provide facts.

The rest is just noise clogging my channel.

[–]CQC3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That's a hard lesson, you can't save people that want to drown more than they want to live, they choose without realizing it. They choose every day, half asleep, to do the things they do.

I tried to lift when I was a teen, my workouts were janky and disorganized, I didn't have the will to get my diet in order, to stop eating junk, to stop drinking soda. Every little minor victory was just permission for me to indulge just the same but without guilt.

Nothing changed...until one day, I had enough, I wanted it--badly. It's not a complicated feeling like motivation, it's more like a knowing that you need this based off of experience.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. Like it even matters if the posts arent entertaining. If there are some useless fucks too lazy to implement good advice then thats their own fault.

[–]1clon3man 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If you don't cater your advice to your audience you're just talking to yourself, which helps no one, not even yourself, since ever day is about learning something from everyone, even people below you

The point is not about dumbing down your advice or making the horse drink after bringing them to the river, it's about positioning your advise such that it is not easily dismissed by circumstance or can be applied immediately with a feedback positive loop rather than some long-haul shot in the dark. There's no reason for anyone to believe one piece of advice over another if its not well explained or presented

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

you're just talking to yourself

perfectly fine with that

There's no reason for anyone to believe one piece of advice over another if its not well explained or presented

I don't give a shit if you believe me. How fucking self-entitled are you retards? People here invest their time and energy to provide advice for you free of any obligation. Now we also have to persuade you to believe us?

How about you go and fuck yourself freely instead?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Book of Pook was written by a guy who was collecting his thought.

It was never written for an audience.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's really about the type of list that tells me if a guy is gonna take that bitter pill and make progress

If he rattles of the self improvement to do than I know he is jerking himself off and trying to get an emotional high because he wont actually do that hard hard list.

When the list is full of terrible things that happened to him because he was under the wrong impression he was special or women were wonderful than I know we have a strong candidate for future shitlord

Those are guys I look out for

[–]1nzgs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's something self-congratulatory about the whole list thing. It's easy to do, everyone knows that kind of stuff, and it's quick public validation. It's like the fitness industry; a lot of people go to the gym so they can take a selfie and attach a list of useless hashtags for public validation. No one pats you on the back after doing a hard set beyond failure, no one cares. Similarly anyone can give empty and unsolicited red pill advice. If you want to motivate and inspire people then become the person you aspire to be, don't just write about that person. Stop virtue signalling and start acting in your rational self-interest.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 18 points19 points  (0 children)

ITT. Gaylubeoil oil call you emotional women, incapable of seeing future benefits and the value of work. Then said people discuss how best to rub their clits

[–]lolpolkol191 14 points15 points  (1 child)

so what is this post exactly? lmao

[–][deleted]  (8 children)

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[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 16 points17 points  (7 children)

The Red Pill is by definition that what the masses do not want but need. So if you are only capable of communicating via bullet points my advice is to not communicate. Who knows maybe this can be the start of communicating like a person and not a robot. Perhaps this skill can eventually be utilized into getting sex. Oh boy!

However if you do not heed my polite advice you will be thrown in the ban van with the other mentally handicapped.

Rose gardens need to be pulled of weeds.

[–]slumdog-millionaire 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Ultimately, it's on the man to go out and do it. They either want to do it or don't. If you need this subreddit to motivate you odds are it's not going to get done.

I started lifting when I was 18 because I wanted to and continue to do so today.

I like where you're coming from though because sometimes I get a sense that this subreddit isn't providing the maximum value it could and that some of the men here either don't know how to use it or aren't using it the right way. How do I get endorsed or whatever you have?

[–]1mental_models 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I agree. Men who are on their success path, are going to find tools that work, regardless of any one source. No one should 'need' a subreddit. Emphasis on 'need'. However, nothing wrong with benefiting from it as a source of occasional good wisdom. Lists hit home, only when the concept is far-reaching enough that it really breaks new ground, or champions a controversial point (and even in these rare cases, a list better be a part of well developed theory). A list of 'basic theory' reads like a shit article.

[–]qball43 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Men who succeed and follow the steps to success don't need TRP, TRP only supplicates your path like protein helps recover from an intense workout.

When I was back in basic, we obviously didn't have access to the weight room for over 2 months. Me and the guys who lift were dying for a good life, we even went as far as after lights out at night we would sneak out of bed and lift them up to do shrugs, dips, etc.

Men who want to succeed and grow will find a way.

[–]wander_company 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You seem to be on a ban van van today

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I think all of us know what happens when a Russian like myself decides who is thrown into the Ban Van. My Anglo American colleges who operate the ban van are more judicious then I would be.

[–]wander_company 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Word bro. Didnt know you were russian. Now i'm definetly going to hit you up for fitness coaching. Having a russian weight coach sounds like exactly what i need.

You got openings?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea shoot me a pm

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Prostitutes in Jerkoff instructional videos.

Came here to learn this was a thing.

To think I had to learn with lingerie models.....Born too early, I spoze.

[–]aegir98 31 points32 points  (5 children)

Everyone 😤, stop 🛑what ❓you're 👈 doing 👀and listen 👂to the Court Jester 🤡. Because he's 😏the most 💯respected 🙏 member 🤴 of the court 🏰, and always 👍 has something 🤔 valuable 🤑 to say 🤐.

[–]my_sfw_alias 24 points25 points  (0 children)

not enough hand claps I didn't understand

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

The communication style of the future

[–]MEpicLevelCheater 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Nearly banned you on reflex. Poe's Law at work.

[–]Disciple_of_Libertas 1 point2 points  (1 child)

None of these lists has ever truly done anything for me. Interesting tidbits for sure, but no deeper driving force is ever present in those lists. My first real kick in the teeth that made me WANT to change was Michael's Story on the sidebar. This is because I partially saw myself in his pathetic stories of betahood, of being consistently LJBF'd, and in his recounting of his decade long dry spell (I went 2 years, so not as bad, but very mentally trying regardless).

[–]CQC3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hah, I read the first two sentences of your post and thought "oh boy, nothing did it for you? Michael's story panged in my heart", and that is literally your next sentence.

I never got LJBF'd, nor did I get rejected as much, but I wasn't successful back then, I was just gone, isolated by own deep dissatisfaction and sheer dissonance of trying to understand what society was telling me vs what I was sensing and seeing.

[–]sorceryofthetesticle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Advice lists are the preferred do-nothing, feel-good pastime for drug addicts who are distraught about their shitty life at 3AM in the morning. When I stopped writing self-help lists to other turds on the internet, my life got way better.

[–]not_here_4_points 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nobody gives a fuck about long vain diatribes either.

[–]TheRedSwordsman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stoics used to have the goal of leading a "virtuous life" for a reason, and that encapsulated basically everything under their philosophy.

So they pretty much persuaded themselves to do negative visualization, hold frame and be better than the others because unlike everyone else, "they know that virtue is the sole good".

Nobody is an exception to the rule. People don't just get up at 6 a.m. workout study and improve themselves without feeling like they're working towards a "tag" they feel proud about it, whether you're 6 years old improving your grades or 40 becoming a "better lover".

And stop rejecting competition. Every online material about learning a skill goes "your goal is not to be better than the others but rather to be better than yourself when you started". That's such a pussy shit, just crush those guitar lessons/cooking/language shit and leave everyone else to dust.

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[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Sounds like you wrote an exciting erotic blue pill fantasy for yourself Mr Secret King

[–][deleted]  (8 children)

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    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 12 points13 points  (7 children)

    I grew up in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Tell me more about my luxurious lifestyle and growing up in a bubble. All I'm hearing from you is fantasy justification and enabling behaviors. As soon as you walk away from whatever bullshit narrative you invented, that's when u'll move forward.

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      [–]VictorVaughan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      You need help fast. It's not giving up will or independence, it takes strength to take action and go and get the help you need. You're not going to get any sound advice from the sexually frustrated and socially inept dipshits that make up this sub's community. You have no idea how confused you are at 18 years old. I look back now and wonder how I ever made it and I wasn't dealing with most of the bullshit you are. You need guidance and assistance. You grew up in a world of shit and you probably don't know what all life has to offer and all the amazing things that are just waiting for you to discover out there. But first you've got to get your headspace somewhat on track. Go seek out help. No insurance? Call the county mental health offices, they'll assist you. The sooner you do this, the sooner you can start to find some real answers as to why your family was so shitty to you and how you can begin to put that behind you and start to build LITERALLY any life you want. And if you're a fan of this sub, well... I'll put it in this sub's lingo... There's nothing more "alpha" than building the life you want to live. Take care bud and let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

      [–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      So? Do what it takes to get results or get fucked. Yay, you had/have hurdles. Now you know where you need to jump and how high. Get to it.

      Otherwise be regarded as just looking for sympathy, and you can find that in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.

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        [–]Trucks_N_Chainsaws 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Then go see a fucking shrink. They are professionals. All you're doing is making excuses to continue in your current "comfortable" condition because it's all you know.

        [–]bitcoin1188 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Therapy bruh, and delete facebook

        [–]Shukakun 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        I get that you're traumatized and I don't mean to make light of that, and you're probably right that fear of women is unhealthy and unrealistic.

        That being said, make no mistake, women ARE a threat to your safety and sanity. And that's why they're so much fun. Ever met a bipolar chick? They'll ruin your life, but they're incredibly flirty and charming, and they fuck like animals.

        I'm going to get a bit symbolic on you here, Jordan Peterson/Taosim-inspired stuff. Some might consider it weird but I find that it's a perspective that helps me understand a lot of situations.

        Picture the Yin & Yang. Order and Chaos. They're two opposites, and a balance of both is superior to just full-on one side. Let's list some examples of what belongs on which side.

        Yin vs Yang Order vs Chaos
        Safety vs Danger
        Logic vs Emotion
        Man vs Woman (look at their extremes, autistic man vs bipolar woman, pure logic vs pure emotion)
        Stagnation vs Innovation
        Political Right vs Political Left
        Productivity vs Laziness
        Boring vs Fun
        Production vs Consumption
        Creation vs Destruction
        The list goes on...

        It's no coincidence that men so often say that women fuck up their lives. They're chaotic. They ARE dangerous. That's the whole point. The thrill. Women are meant to bring some chaos into our ordered lives. We create, they destroy. That doesn't mean they're bad, evil and best avoided though. If your first creation is never destroyed, you'll never have to make a second, better one.

        [–]cor3volution 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This could be a post on its own. its dogmatic but poignant. Actionable, if debatable.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The only thing these kids should be concerned about: do you want to win?

        If you're not winning now, why not?

        Stop making excuses and go win.

        Edit: also, there will be people in your life who aren't winning, who will try and explain to you how to win. Don't listen to losers on how to win. Simple

        [–]Fapisluv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Either that,or they start doing things when the fact that they dont live even close to the pontential life they could live hits them hard in the head.But yeah,never,ever talk to teens in an authoritative way when trying to advice them,it has completely opposite effects than intended.

        [–]kyanwan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Only 1 thing was on my list. Be the best I can be - in everything I do.

        Worked great for me.

        [–]Grimsterr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Revised title: Nobody Gives a Fuck About You

        So unless you do, you're fucked.

        [–]plaudite_cives 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Convince them that folding their clothes is Alpha, because Navy Seals fold their clothes. Make lifting into a spiritual journey. Talking to women should feel like a psychological adventure. It's not hard. They are young. They get excited very easily.

        eh, so I guess that you consider your 18yo self retarded?

        [–]Velebit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        There is nothing more cancerous than the empty optimistic "go get em" bravado of the macho people.

        My dad fulfilled all "trp" goals yet he is laughable as a human being. Most people are here because of existential crisis yet the xgen "pros" only have promiscuity and vapid egotripping to offer.

        [–]trpanak1n 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        your argument is based on fallacy.

        [–]Ether_Freeth 0 points1 point  (5 children)

        Although compelling I think your premise is steeped too much in a superiority complex.

        Not everyone has the same frame of reference. What suits you might not suit another regardless of age , status etc. And such sweeping generalisations as you make don't help. Now if you think you can do better then do it, don't attack others for trying to help and add within their own frame of reference, when we start doing that we are no better then any other pc group.

        Now I do believe in tailoring to your message to your audience but I am not as arrogant as you to assume what works for me works for others.

        In the end it is about what we say not the medium. If you want that go join the women in their indirect communication.

        [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        Not everyone has the same frame of reference

        go pick up something heavy and put it down, a lot. Fuck someones frame of reference, if it prevents you from succeeding at life, the frame sucks and needs to die

        [–]Ether_Freeth 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        How do you equate different to bad ? Not everyone has the same solution , to something or even the same aproach that does not mean it can't work or is bad. Not acknowledging that will limit you extremly in your search for better.

        So how about you go read somehting heavy and outside of your comfort zone A LOT. And maybe dump the angsty teenager act because it does not become you.

        [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        If you are here talking about this, it's because you aren't in a place where you are succeeding. So yeah, bad by definition.

        You're a man, you make a goal, and you meet it. If you haven't succeeded with what you currently do, then by definition, it's a shit framework. Until you figure it out, follow the same way that a million other guys have used to succeed.

        I have done this shit, I'm not talking out of my ass here, I WAS that anti-social teenager with dry dick. ditch the ego, get to work, stop thinking so much and get to work. It's simple, but it isn't easy.

        does not become you.

        go fuck yourself

        [–]Ether_Freeth 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Pretty assumptions, yet wrong.

        I assume i can always do better even if i am doing well. It keeps me driven. I also assume I do not know everything to a fault which keep me curious and experimenting with what does and does not work which in turn keeps me bettering myself.

        you should try it.

        You seem to have a lot of pent up anger for what you think was your previous self and anything that resembles it. Which suggest you still have lingering doubts about your ability and a rickety at best confidence in yourself. Furthermore your way of commenting and trying to bait anger shows you are still anti-social relying on anger to achieve a moral highground.

        As for the ego , it is true i have quite a bit of that. Mostly earned with my blood sweat and tears while failing and succeeding as often in spectacular fashion as not. But it might be right some of it is undeserved i will look into that.

        Anyhow it seems this leads nowhere so I wish you the best of luck on your journey.

        [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Did I stutter?

        [–]CosmycDust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Do you consider every 18 yo a man child? OR are you talking about 18 yo man childs? One other question, I assume your are probably older than me, how does one become a MAN, no list no bullshit, your experience.

        [–]WILLxNZ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        18 year old here. I lift 5x a week. I try my best to hold frame with older people. I have a sense of internal abundance but not external yet. Make that compliance rate 0.001 mother fucker

        Also i just want to drop that I very nearly got laid from game tonight but logistics fucked me pretty hard and then she just went off with another dude.

        Redpill and adhd meds will literally save my fucking life I swear, I've nearly died twice already until I swallowed both.

        [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

        Anyone advertising the frequency of their workouts doesn't understand recovery and therefore doesn't understand working out.

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        [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        It's a list of articles. It's not a list of lists.

        [–]arealbigboss -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Is anything on this sub even real lol

        [–]PlebX4 -1 points0 points  (8 children)

        Navy Seals are NOT Alpha males because they follow orders?!

        [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

        Please tell me how you derived that from my post

        [–]PlebX4 -1 points0 points  (6 children)

        I did not. I was simply contradicting this statement.

        Convince them that folding their clothes is Alpha, because Navy Seals fold their clothes.

        u/GayLubeOil what do you think about this?

        [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

        In that sentence Navy Seals are used an example of an archetypical alpha male. My recommendation is to use this archetype to convince our ADHD crew to fold their clothes.

        What's your point in all of this?

        [–]PlebX4 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

        My point is that Navy Seals are not archetypical alpha males! They are conditioned to follow orders and do things in a routine

        [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        the military doesn't need drones. The military needs freethinking people. Thats what made America the military powerhouse it was throughout the world wars.

        Don't mistake following ones vision with following ones orders.

        [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        What archetype do you think would be more relatable to an ADHD 18 year old?

        [–]PlebX4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Not sure. Tyler Durden? I didn't ask that question in the context of the post TBH.

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        [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Plot twist I am the Red Pill, therefore you don't belong here.