Field Report[FR] "I don't mean to offend you, but are you gay?" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by PM_ME_UR_COATS


This is going to be about a date I had last week. I'm partially writing because I need to tell the whole story, but it's also loaded with shit tests, social cues, and frame. The format is going to be a little funky so I can highlight the useful bits as they come up.


I work as a bartender in a restaurant. Early last week I went in early to score some food before my shift. Upon arriving one of the older "career" waitresses tells me that her cute friend is at the bar, is recently single, and that I should go flirt with her. I may or may not have a reputation at work for being the company whore (No, I don't dip in the company ink). I tell her I'll see what's up after I eat, I'm starving. She seems a little confused by this.

Gynocentrism - Wait, I just told this guy there's a pretty, available girl nearby and he's not literally jumping up and down with excitement?!?

So, I munch, then I go out back for a smoke before my shift. When I get to the alley, there's a woman smoking and staring at her phone whom I've never seen before. It's the beginning of the evening before the rush so I can only assume this is who my coworker was talking about. She's got her back to the door I come out of, but she hears me, she turns and we make eye contact. I ignore her, light up, throw my headphones on and get myself ready to turn on the charm and make those dollars. Nothing like some music to get you fired up.

A minute or two passes, and another coworker approaches from the far end of the alley, on her way into work. So, I'm on the right end, 10 feet to my left is HB7 with her back to me, and ten feet further is other coworker. I pop my headphones off and my coworker and I exchange hellos, with HB7 in the middle. Coworker goes inside, and HB7 turns to me and says "I didn't know anybody else was out here".

IOI ~ Remember, pay attention to her actions, not her words. She knew damn well I was sitting a few feet from her. "I didn't know you were out here" meant "I would like to talk to you"

So I take my headphones off and chat with her a bit. I said, you must be (coworker's) friend. She asked how I knew, I told her directly that coworker told me to come flirt with you, and that's she's cuter than I expected.

Be direct ~ I told her right from the beginning I found her attractive, and that the *only reason I was talking to her to was to see where that goes.*

We chat for a few, turns out we're both recently out of relationships, she does hair for a living. If anybody is interested, I'm willing to pay a handsome sum to any man who can find a hair stylist who isn't batshit insane - it's for science.

So I start shift, she's sitting at the bar, but I ignore her because I've got to get this bar set up for the evening. I'm very meticulous about my bar, if everything isn't in it's specific spot I get frustrated. She cashes out with me, I give her my number and say we should grab a drink, it could be good for the both of us.

Again, be direct ~ there's a clear subtext here that this is a physical, rebound type thing.

We set something up for a few days later - beers at a local dive bar. First hour flies by, she's much wittier than I expected. She's 10 years old than me, but still pretty hot for her age. She came across at first as one of those girls who'd been hot her whole life and never had to develop a personality, I was pleasantly happy to be proven wrong. Then the shit tests begin. "I don't want to offend you by this, but are you gay?"

I knew exactly what she was talking about, I do have some mannerisms that can come across as gay. When I start really talking about something, I can get "gay hands". I've gotten it before, it doesn't really bother me.

Shit test ~ this one I responded to directly. No - but I have gotten that before, it's just something I do sometimes without noticing, I don't really care about it enough to change it.

But it keeps. coming. up. Mostly in the form of jokes, some of which are actually pretty funny. The fact that she kept calling me gay didn't frustrate me, but after awhile the same jokes being repeated over and over again, like any joke would, was starting to get old. Still, I showed no frustration, and teased her back about several things.

It's at this point in any normal date I probably would've bailed out of lack of interest, but I really have to admit, she would actually make me laugh on occasion and how often do you ever meet a girl who's funny?

Now we're a little sauced, and I start to get a bit sloppy with my game. She starts talking about her ex. I shut it down earlier in the night, but it comes back up again, and I'm not focused so I let her go for a bit. Next thing you know, 10 minutes have gone by and she tells me that she's put me in the friendzone.

Shit test #2 (well, number #87, but the first 86 were all the same one) ~ Never let women go on about their exes on dates. Anecdotally, whatever, but in detail, shut that shit down. I slipped up here, realized it, and won it back. When she said that, I told her I was thinking the same damned thing, she's been friendzoned as well, and that surprised her. She asked why. Because you won't shut up about your ex, that's why. That's first date etiquette 101.

It gets quiet. I made a joke earlier in the night where I called her a name that was similar to hers. I say "(wrong name) go get us some beers." She lights up, she likes being told what to do. "You just moved out of the friendzone" - yeah, whatever, go.

Preselection ~ a little side note here, at some point during our date another girl I had seen somewhat recently walked past our table and waved to me. She saw I was out with a rather good looking girl - guess who texted the next day?

So we finish up at the bar, it's closing time. All in all the night was fun, I know we talk about outcome dependence, but his wasn't a date I was very excited about before I left the house, and it turned out to be at the least stimulating. We had some good bantz.

So we're walking out, and she says "Let me just grab something out of my car". I look over at her with a face that says "I didn't invite you over". She then says "I mean, what do you want to do now?" Now I invite her over for some wine. She says "Okay, but I'm not going to fuck you" - "Whatever"

Shit test #3 ~ Every, single, damned, time I've invited a girl over and she's responded with "okay, but I'm not going to fuck you" guess what ended up happening? Again, actions over words. The subtext here is "I haven't decided if I'm going to fuck you yet, but I haven't ruled it out."

So we drink wine and banter and bullshit more. I make a move, she accuses me of being gay again, I roll my eyes in the gayest way I can "gurrrlll please". Eventually it gets to the bedroom. I think you know the rest. And again in the morning, and a (awesome) handjob before she leaves. She's apologizing for her all of her behaviors last night (shit testing) over and over again.

Conclusion & Lessons Learned :

In conclusion, she girl tested me way harder than probably any woman I've gone out with ever has. Once I recognized this I saw the rest as a kind of challenge, a whetstone to sharpen my skills on. I think the part I was most impressed with myself with was that none of her bullshit actually bothered and there was a bit more that I left out of the post because this is already dragging on. I think the fact that she had a pretty strong wit played into that though, some of her bullshit was legitimately pretty funny.

1 - Always pay attention to her actions, not her words. Everybody, men and women alike, is full of shit. Do this with every person you meet and it'll take you far.

2 - Hold your goddamn frame. I wasn't super stoked on this date before I went out, it was something to do on a Wednesday, I was just looking to go out and have some fun, and that's exactly what I did. Had she not been clever I'd have bailed.

3 Those are the two main lessons here, the examples are italicized.

[–]Rescuedbeta 118 points119 points  (9 children)

Women call men who reject them gay. Its their Hail Mary pass. They want to embarrass you into fucking them so they can use the sex to control you and harvest your resources.

[–]UCISee 79 points80 points  (0 children)

It's a go to like this shit:

Little man. Why don't you be a real man? Creep. Etc.

Women will call a dude who's 6'8" a 'little man' because it's a solid go to. Same with being a "real man" or to "man up." When I got a divorce every single one of her friends told me to "man up." What the fuck does that even mean? Same with small dick stuff. A woman trying to fuck you will tell you she's never seen a dick this big. Once you split you're the smallest cock she's ever had the displeasure of laying her eyes upon.

[–]EnlightenedViking 18 points19 points  (4 children)

I've had this happen twice in the last couple years when i don't flirt or play nice with the older bitchy women who think they're hot shit.

[–]CarnivOre93 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Since swallowing the pill older women have come on to me more frequently. I work in a city and I walked by an apparent homeless bitch. She said - sir, sir you smell lovely! I thought to myself- disgusting! I didn't respond to her verbally I just kept on walking to my destination.

[–]halfback910 13 points14 points  (2 children)

So what you're saying is a homeless person did normal homeless stuff at you.

[–]Terdmuffin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Right? I'd be delighted if a homeless person here was that nice.

[–]halfback910 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She didn't even ask him for money! She said the guy smells nice!

Furthermore, I should think that smell-based compliments from the homeless mean twice as much as from anyone else. Given that their sense of smell must be thoroughly desensitized after many years living in their own refuse. If they can tell how awesome you smell, you must really smell amazing.

The more invested I become, the more I desire to smell /u/CarnivOre93. I just have to know what the fuss is all about! Everyone in the local soup kitchens is raving about it.

[–]HughMBehavior 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The correct response = "Honey, I am the most fabulous guy who ever sucked a dick. I enjoy a big dick for breakfast every day." Meanwhile slide your hand up the back of her neck, grab her not-too-hard by the nape-of-the-neck hair, pull her head back a bit, lean in, and smell (but don't touch.) "Yup, that's me. SUPER gay."

See how your night goes after that. Quickly I bet.

[–]1AfterC 154 points155 points  (17 children)

You got a handjob?

The gay line, I presume, is because older girls just don't have game. It's either she's calling you a "faggot" to try to pre-empt you to make a move, or she just fucking sucks at teasing and flirting, and consequently needs to return to the same well repeatedly.

Well done. I'm in the spot of trying to turn a significantly older woman into a sugar mama. Insight?

[–]PM_ME_UR_COATS[S] 59 points60 points  (6 children)

Nah, I've gotten it before from other women. Something about my hand gestures when I get animated while talking. I don't really care, it's pretty low on my list of things I need to improve.

Afraid I don't have any insight for you with you situation.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (2 children)

Don't fix who you are, and don't apologise for it, own that shit. If it was that big of a problem she would have turned away. Clearly it was a jumping off point for a shit test you expect everytime. That's like starting two steps ahead. Women respond to game, your proof is right there.

[–]Psychocist 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I agree. If you've got gay hands, flail those faggy fuckers around with abandon.

[–]HughMBehavior 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And like I said above, OWN it. Talk about how gay you are & how much you love cock while you slide your hand up her inner thigh.

I'm 3 for 4 with women who asked if I was gay, and 1 of 4 was when I fagged out and said "this is my fucking girlfriend sitting next to me!" Don't be a fag; embrace the gay!

[–]destraht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

About ten years ago in Nicaragua I heard this "are you gay" from a very attractive local woman and I thought that she was referring to a previous incident when a gay man darted in for a peck on my lips. I asked my Nicaraguan friend and he told me that she was challenging me to go for her and that he also had just taken her into the toilet for a quick bang one time. Well, this isn't the type of language or sentiment that I use and these types of women are not the ones that I prefer to have flings with. I also heard the "are you gay" line in the US some time later and although I then knew what she was referring to I didn't pursue it. It just doesn't work for me, seems particularly trashy and is just really terrible game. Now you know what it means and if you want a quick and cheap bang then go for it but also certainly don't feel bad about turning down a woman whom turns you off with her crude behavior. I've personally turned down many more women then I've banged. I just can't help myself being turned off by women whose actions and behavior I find to be abhorrent. If was still 16 and a virgin then I probably would go with whatever shitty behavior was available to me at the moment.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The gay line, I presume, is because girls just don't have game.

Thought I'd fix that for you.

[–]aanarchist 6 points7 points  (1 child)

one thing i've realized is that while in the pua circles they like to call everything a woman does shit tests, but generally they aren't smart enough to consciously do these things and it's more often than not she's just being dumb because she wasn't raised better. i had a woman who did the same where she found something eccentric about me and would bring it up over and over, it just gets annoying. this is why women suck at humor is they tend to find something to pick apart about someone, rather than actual humor.

[–]destraht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just don't like a lot of women in many parts of the world because in reality they are just mean people who throw out a lot of abuse to a lot of people. I definitely believe and think that TRP applies to women in all parts of the world but there just isn't a universal behavior of women being mean and nasty to just about everyone so that only the winners can overcome the abuse/shit tests and to get laid. I think that in certain scenes and even large regions that it is required to just accept this reality and to bust through the shit tests but if one expands his reach to the entire planet then its not necessary at all to accept or deal with this very particular behavior. There are a lot of women in the world who will just be dry and cold with a man she doesn't like or is unsure about but not mean and nasty like what they get away with in much of the West. I've lived and dated on four continents now so my mind is always somewhere else and its definitely not caught up in the local dating scene. If I restrict my time in Northern California to only 2-4 months then it actually feels pretty good to not need to deal with any sorts of women but it does make me crazy approaching six months and then I start to consider terrible thoughts like pursuing pretty US women.

[–]CarnivOre93 7 points8 points  (4 children)

My thoughts exactly. I've never gotten just a handy once.

[–]washington_breadstix 1 point2 points  (3 children)

OP didn't either. He implied that they banged at night, then again in the morning, and then a handy before she left.

[–]CarnivOre93 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Let me rephrase. I've never gotten a handy to completion once. Been sucked to completion but never a handy.

[–]Redsqa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was about to write that. I've gotten this "shit test" before, and it's just a kind of teasing, poke to make you more aggressive in your flirting with her. Perhaps she thinks you lack interest and wants to be reassured. Anyway no need to get offended indeed; and it's rather easy to build on that to make a move in a variation "want me to prove it to ya?".

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dress down so it looks like you dont have much money. This does two things, 1) If she fucks you despite this fact, it highlights the fact she likes you solely for the D and 2) Pits you in a mental perception as you needed to be taken care of but not in a beta way. Make yourself look like a side-nigga.

Then give her the D but say your car broke down and you need a ride (use uber to get to her house). If the sugar momma thing is a go, she'll offer to pay for things on her own volition. Make no attempt to counter it. Just, "oh, thanks".

Things should roll from there. After what I said, there are too many variables to predict. I hinted at it by joking about it indirectly such as saying "if you give you order [insert food] for me, I'll come by 3 times a week" or something like that. Then she started hinting at having me move in with her but I mever took it further, dont want to invest into that relationship unless the emotion is there and she wasnt good looking enough, just something I can slam if I have a drought.

[–]ShotgunTRP 45 points46 points  (11 children)

"I'm not gay but my husband is"

[–]Peter_B_Long 6 points7 points  (9 children)

Because OP responded to the shit test so directly, it caused her to keep pushing on it. If OP had responded sarcastically with A&A or pressure flip, there could've been much less shit testing.

[–]mrgrigsad 1 point2 points  (1 child)

A&A too much will lead to her making that stupid joke forever cause she thinks she's funny and you like the joke. Used to happen to me all the time. Many times I completely lost control bacause of my cheerful excessive A&A to the point she feels like everything is allowed and starts insulting me as if it's our super funny game

[–]Peter_B_Long 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It depends on your frame. Any form of shit test response would've been better than a direct answer

[–]cookin_breakfast 1 points1 points [recovered]

How would you pressure flip that

[–]I_AM_CALAMITY 1 point2 points  (3 children)

"Why would I be here if I wasn't"

[–]Peter_B_Long 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That's not a pressure flip

[–]I_AM_CALAMITY 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ok. I wasn't sure. Pls define

[–]Peter_B_Long 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Do you have something against gay people?" Is a pressure flip. You're directing the spot light back on her and putting her on the defense

[–]Peter_B_Long 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"Do you have something against the LGBT community?"

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (5 children)

Id probably tell her to fuck off after she was getting tiring with the shit tests. But you managed to keep cool and progress. Great fr.

[–]PM_ME_UR_COATS[S] 45 points46 points  (4 children)

Like I said, most of it was pretty clever. It felt more like buddies breaking each others balls than her acting like a bitch.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Then its cool, like u said, rare to meet a funny girl. There are tho just plain boring insulters who lack the cleverness for proper banter.

I honestly enjoy when girls can deliver proper jokes on my account. But there is finesse to it.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Like you said she's 10 years older than you.

When they get old they get desperate and have to develop personality to compensate.

Sounds like she has "a great personality." Lol

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So true. Women after 30 suddenly read and have hobbies and interests, with genuine personality. Even most women at trp women are 25 + lol, now they want to be good householders. I mean, better that than nothing but it speaks volumes. While Id argue most guys here are teens or early 20's.

Classic evolutionary principle, they didnt need it until then so they didnt develop it.

I gotta say you do find rare gems here and there, even among teens. But forget about it if woman follows any fad trend like hipsters or whatever. Personally steer clear from sheep mentality as much as it can be done.

[–]1kick6 50 points51 points  (0 children)

The subtext wasn't that she hadn't decided if she was going to fuck you, she was going to fuck you, the subtext was that because she SAID she wasn't going to fuck you "it just happened" and she isn't a slut.

[–]suske127 26 points27 points  (1 child)

If she has 10 years on you, you can be sure the shit tests will be brutal. You're already at a disposition being younger and she has to overcome that in her brain by making sure your frame is rock hard. Well done sir

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Another reason to not fuck post-wall hags.. way too much baggage.

Not only do you have to "prove" your frame to her, her value has depreciated tenfold. The standards raise while the value drops. Smart investors will not invest in any product like that unless theyre desperate

[–]DysfunctionalBrother 78 points79 points  (10 children)

I don't read many field reports, but fuck me if this isn't the best one i have read. The way you give a lesson on what is going on in the next paragraph is quick and straight to the point, really good.

[–]SiulaGrande 44 points45 points  (6 children)

I don't read many field reports, but fuck me

hey man you better be careful, he's gay remember

[–]DysfunctionalBrother 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Haha i should of seen that coming.

[–]Should_have_listened 21 points22 points  (4 children)

should of

Did you mean should have?

This is a bot account.

[–]PM_ME_UR_COATS[S] 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Thanks man. I've been around here for quite awhile but never post. Mostly due to the fact that I should be a hell of a lot further along than I actually am after 3-4 years, but I feel like stuff is finally starting to feel like second nature to me. I still fuck up all the time, my most recent relationship is pretty much a product of me becoming smitten for the wroonng girl and letting myself become blinded to the truth by my own affections. I'll write it up some day, but to be completely honest I'm still a little bitter, towards myself and towards her, about it.

[–]Canarlottle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I guess you're further enough to be honest with your mistakes and humble with your achievements and that is actually a lot in my opinion. I hope the external validation I gave you makes you feel good before you shove it down my ass. :)

[–]Gallobrax 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Probably one of the better field reports I've read in a little bit - I found it very useful as incidentally I've been a little out of the loop for the past week (resurgence of anger and guilt) and thus, I defiantly needed this to reflect on where I need to be.

Moving on you hit this one out of the park: you understand one hundred percent as to what you need to do, how you need to do it and how it applies to underlying redpill theory. As for the girl calling you out on your sexuality this was actually pretty clever on her part. If you think about it this is an overt shit test we men use on other men as a way of disqualification. Therefore she is probably very experienced and was using this tactic to leverage male behavior against you. This also tells me she was at least thinking on some level.

I've seen very few women actually do this. Most of them have such over inflated egos they expect to slay by default (I'm a hot girl give me attention). To see someone do this speaks volumes and I'd be interested to hear if others share my thoughts.

As an aside since you spend so much of your time working in a bar (and because you understand the theory) do you like me think bar/club game is not worth the opportunity cost? I.E. are there better venues for game? I in the past have done quite well in these places but I find anywhere where alcohol is being consumed to be repulsive. Mind you I've done my fair share of drinking but I like George Thorogood prefer to drink alone (when I actually do).

Excellent read. I hope to also make a contribution later on tonight.

[–]pussycatmando 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Outstanding work young man

[–]1Sir_Distic 7 points8 points  (2 children)

"I don't want to offend you by this, but are you gay?"

"Totally. If you want, when I put it in your ass later, I can call you Roger?"

Reminds me of a post not too long ago by an EC. Some girls pretending to be lesbian shit tested him infront of friends. I believe it was about a supposed lisp. His response was similar to "The last time someone said that I hit them with my purse."

Agree & Amplify.

[–]PM_ME_UR_COATS[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fuck I wish I was that witty.

[–]1Sir_Distic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So do I.

I come up with gems sitting in front of my computer. But in real life I either say nothing because I don't know what to say or I say "Oh yeah?" Which can be said 50 different ways as long as you smirk when you say it. And it buys you time to come up with something.

[–]sirfuckboysupreme 7 points8 points  (0 children)

But are you gay Depending on the level of banter i'd have thrown something like (increasing in fucks not given) 'No but my boyfriend is' 'That's exactly why we're having drinks right now' laugh/smirk - cheeky/rude amused mastery 'Hold up, (you're already|isnt it a bit early to be) thinking about me sexually?' - there you just flipped it back to her.

Good FR otherwise :)

[–]nigmondo 8 points9 points  (1 child)

...are you gay?

Why? Are you looking for tips on giving a blowjob?

[–]imn0tg00d 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ohhhhhh this is fucking savage. I'm remembering this one.

[–]TheAC997 6 points7 points  (1 child)

a little side note here, at some point during our date another girl I had seen somewhat recently walked past our table and waved to me. She saw I was out with a rather good looking girl - guess who texted the next day?

The reason this happens is biology and evolutionary psychology from the caveman era. A guy sees a woman with some other guy, he knows that she has good genetics and will have healthy offspring, but that's overshadowed by the 50% or more chance that the kid isn't his. A woman sees a guy with a woman, she isn't worried about whether the kid is hers, so all her focus will be on how the guy probably has good genetics.

[–]wheresMYsteakAt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's correct, it's called preselection and OP correctly identified it in his post

[–]Work_In_Progress92 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Reminds me this past weekend where I got asked by an older women at the bar if I am gay too. I laughed, agree and amplified and moments later we were kissing.

Laughed because I thought of the Book of Pook which I have been reading and that was one of the chapters "are you gay?" I had just read.

Great field report. Really enjoy how you formatted it. Good job.

[–]CairoNoot 3 points4 points  (1 child)

How about inviting her over with a "you can come over for some wine , but I'm not gonna fuck u" ?

That's a sincere question

[–]1AfterC 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It can work, but in many cases a guy being explicit can screech seduction to a halt.

It's implied. You're not getting her to privacy to just play checkers.

[–]Adeus_Ayrton 2 points3 points  (1 child)

When I start really talking about something, I can get "gay hands".

A little like this ?

[–]nigmondo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

...are you gay?

Why? Are you looking for tips on giving a blowjob?

[–]bizmarck 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Now remember this golden rule for fucks sake. Whenever a girl says "I wont fuck you" without you asking "are we going to fuck?"... she'll fuck you.

It's that simple. Girl thinks I wanna fuck him, you invite her home, girl says i'm not gonna fuck you to condone her dirty thoughts and make it okay. Afterwards she might even say "you're the first guy i did this with on a first date" just so she can live with it.

Tldr; i'm not going to fuck you=we're fucking. There is cow level.

[–]PM_ME_UR_COATS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe I addressed that, but thank you.

[–]imn0tg00d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha I died at there is cow level.

[–]FlamingAmmosexual 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Excellent job. I hope to hear more from you as you have a talent at writing.

One thing, while I agree with what you said, I always figured the "I'm not going to fuck you" is a shit test wrapped in women's logic of convincing themselves they're not slutty for doing the things they do: like fucking on the first date. They're testing but also proclaiming out loud to themselves that they're still wholesome and innocent.

[–]Ricardo2991 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your Coworker did the work for you. Your story is an example of holding frame at all times. You got given an alley-oop.

Lessons: always hold frame, be attractive, don't fuck up easy lays

[–]aanarchist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

what the fuck is gay hands

[–]Pinkmistiscool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We chat for a few, turns out we're both recently out of relationships, she does hair for a living.


If anybody is interested, I'm willing to pay a handsome sum to any man who can find a hair stylist who isn't batshit insane - it's for science.

My man!! OP I was worried for you, then I see this. Side note, you might have better luck looking for a Bigfoot or the loch Ness monster

[–]shango130 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Okay, but I'm not going to fuck you" it never fails.

[–]nrafield 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you elaborate on being direct? I was under the impression that women hate it when someone's being direct with them and prefer to just maintain plausible deniability all the time.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Im not going to fuck you" is mostly anti-slut defense

[–]LateralThinker13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like an exhausting date and more work than she's worth. But if the challenge was worth it to you, good for you.

[–]imn0tg00d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice post sir. Recognizing and passing shit tests has thrown my game into overdrive. Just had a girl shit test me pretty hard last week with a weird question. "What kind of personality do you think I have? You put off kind of a douchey vibe, so what do you think of me?". I agreed and amplified the douche part by talking with a dude bro accent for my answer. I replied with a cold read. It was something like "you like to show one face to the world and hide the other face for those close to you" type of shit, but I don't remember exactly what it was. But the point was that I ended up in this girl's hotel room because I was able to navigate all of the shit tests that night.

[–]HughMBehavior 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I'm willing to pay a handsome sum to any man who can find a hair stylist who isn't batshit insane - it's for science."

Either get some clippers & go Caesar or find a gay dude. Done.

[–]alcaholicost 3 points4 points  (1 child)

[–]K-Matt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Great story, sort of unrelated question though: what music do you listen to before a shift to get yourself in your groove?

[–]PM_ME_UR_COATS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man I'm all over the place - hip-hop, punk, heavy metal, hardcore, bluegrass. Depends on my current mood, but it's usually something upbeat that I'm really stoked on at the moment.

[–]MrAnderzon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well written with telling us the examples of preselction, shit test and IOI. I'll be waiting for your next field report.

[–]eggAMA 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How do you bail if you get uninterested?

[–]beginner_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I fail to get the "you're gay" insult or shit test. it's just so clear to me I'm not gay, that it doesn't bother me at all. I mean I'm not the super-duper cocky all confident alpha frat-boy but being asked if I'm gay won't affect me at all. there are things that would. So my questions are some of you guys actually bothered by this?

[–]cruzbmx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for good english and formatting. Enjoyable and informative read

[–]treeslooklikelamb 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I too have gay hands sometimes - there are dozens of us!

[–]Leonidas_79 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try imitating Gordon Ramsey. Straightest mannerisms I've ever seen.

[–]tiger-muffin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I gotta work on the looking at their actions and not words. This was a great example.

Whetstone reminded me of MH lol

[–]Millhousegoku777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome post! Loved it. Thank you! Very well written.

[–]Peter_B_Long 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How was kino played out throughout this?

[–]tradal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

shit i need a date to apply the things ive learned today.

[–]Zweihander747 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read posts like this and I really cant wait until they make sex bots fully functional and we can just throw women on the scrap heap and never have to put up with their bullshit ever again

[–]halfback910 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can sympathize with the hands thing. I'm gay but present as straight/masculine. Just the way I'm wired. But when I'm angry I have exactly two settings:

90% of the time: Progressively more effeminate and hand gesture-y.

Remaining 10%: Blackout, psychopath, "Tell me what happened after cuz I don't remember" rage.

I've gotten much better at just not getting angry. "Does this affect my income, my health, anyone I actually care about, or my happiness in any scope beyond 24 hours? No? We're fine, then."

[–]S-Blaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if a girl told me that i'm in the friendzone I would just look in disgust and walk away lol. what a charm killer

[–]I_AM_CALAMITY 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reason why she kept coming back to the gay joke was the way YOU responded. Had you agreed and amplified she would not have done that. You somehow made her believe you were slightly insecure about your hand motions and getting annoyed at her callbacks to it was the reason she "friendzoned" you.

[–]Munnak -4 points-3 points  (9 children)

go get us some beers." She lights up, she likes being told what to do. "You just moved out of the friendzone" - yeah, whatever, go.

I feel like OP is a retard.

[–]PM_ME_UR_COATS[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

A gay retard. I'm considering going transracial to jump up a few pegs on the oppression hierarchy.

[–]SW9876 1 points1 points [recovered]

How does saying "go get us some beers" make him a retard?

[–]Munnak -1 points0 points  (1 child)

It's not about the context

[–]Agrees_withyou 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The statement above is one I can get behind!

[–]RighteousSouljah -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I would rather skip being around an old used up whore with a smart mouth that needs to be on a muzzle anyday. I see this as rewarding a cunt with your rod for her shitty stupidity and snarky narcissist comments that some mistake for "personality." Work on removing those gay mannerism too.

[–]imn0tg00d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah. I have some of that sometimes too and it works pretty well. It kind of rounds out my personality.