Red Pill TheoryWalking with a girl in public (self.TheRedPill)

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I'm 21, 6'2" 170 lbs. I was walking downtown with my 11-year-old sister. After a bit, she says "it's fun walking with you". What did she mean by 'fun'?

-She felt completely safe

-People noticed us

-People moved out of the way for us

Girls I'm dating have brought this up in multiple ways. Some straight up acknowledge that I make them feel safe. Some talk about how all these girls are staring at them. Some talk about how guys don't check them out when she is with me.

hmmmmmm that's weird, I wonder why.

-Be tall (optional)

-Be built (not optional) (shoulders, upper chest, back)

-Be well dressed (clothes that fit to show you're built)

-Be a safe and calculated leader. Think of it like driving, know where you're going, how you're going to get there and be aware of any traffic in the way(people, cars, bikes)

-Make eye contact with every male that is coming towards you, try to do so from as far away as possible. Don't be aggressive (furrowed brow), but let them look away first. Any guy you make eye contact with is not likely to look at the girl you're with, and is extremely unlikely to check her out in a way that would make her uncomfortable. This also lets them move out of your way in advance.

-Ignore every girl that is coming towards you. This has the opposite effect of eye contact, girls will feel more comfortable looking at you if they know you're not going to catch them looking. So, when out with a girl, act like all other girls are invisible. The girl you're with will 100% notice girls looking at you, every look you get is another bit of validation that she is with a high-value man.

-You are responsible for all interactions with strangers. I try to make it clear that I don't want to be bothered, but when someone does initiate I do my best to end the interaction quickly. Homeless man wants money "Not today, sorry", Greenpeace wants a signature "Not today, sorry", someone offers you something "No thanks". Say it firm, but add your please, thank you, and sorry. Your girl should know that you'll do the talking.

-Keep your girl on your right side. That way you are a barrier between her and people walking by, so she won't get bumped.

-Don't hold her hand. If you're in a crowded space grab her hand and walk in front of her. Clear the way and pull her along.

-Do all of this while remaining playful with her, she shouldn't know you're putting in any effort. This is the hardest part, you want to be fun, playful, and nice to her while remaining assertive to everyone else.

When girls are walking by themselves they get constant looks from guys checking them out. They have to move out of the way for people. They have anxiety about minor interactions with strangers. When she is with you the difference should be overwhelming, she should have nothing to do but enjoy herself.

I walk downtown or on campus for first dates off Tinder. You go from internet stranger to protector/daddy pretty quick when walking in a busy area. How you make a girl feel is important, master it.

Edit: The look every guy in the eye thing is a bit excessive. Simply carrying yourself well and walking with confidence will give you the desired effect. Non aggressive eye contact isn’t a big deal, I think some of you are overreacting.

Also I don’t like being called skinny, sure I’m lean, but you guys are being pretty judgmental for not knowing what I look like.

[–]willowhawk 237 points238 points  (123 children)

6ft2 170lbs is pretty skinny right?

[–][deleted] 73 points74 points  (31 children)

I'm 6'3, and at 170 I felt very skinny. Even at 210 now I still feel skinny.

[–]PowergamesEnchanted 39 points40 points  (10 children)

6'4, 211 now and i know i'm pretty huge. But psychologically you always feel smaller than you wish you were, other people see you different than yourself. Personally this is what drives me in my training (and work, socially etc) because when you always stay critic in your apperance you have a huge improvement potential as you always try to improve on your own standards and goals.

[–]herkis 94 points95 points  (1 child)

The day you started lifting was the day you became small for the rest of your life

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 13 points14 points  (0 children)

and /u/TheNewestofNew

That's because you judge your size based on others in your weight class. At 6ft2 and 210, you're a small heavy weight. It's like being top 20, better than 80% of the population but you're compared to the other top 20, not the bottom 80.

[–]Bigjohnthug 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So painfully true. 6'3, got up to 225 at one stage. Felt small. Ended up having to lose weight because despite being low BF%, my cardio sucked, my knees and ankles were giving out running and I started snoring.

This is despite the fact that when I do a realistic evaluation, I see maybe two or three guys a month bigger than me. >100kg with <12%BF is probably 0.001% of the population.

[–]AlphaGrad 10 points11 points  (1 child)

In the deepest recesses of your mind, you shall always be skinny.

[–]willowhawk 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Really? I knew a guy at 6ft3 200lbs and he looked enormous, rarely see anyone bigger in day to day life . And yeah I'm 6'2 and I want to hit 180 just a as realistic goal for the year but that's still skinny in my head, so I don't know how OP feels being 6'2 170

[–]PowergamesEnchanted 1 point2 points  (0 children)

6'4, 211 now and i know i'm pretty huge. But psychologically you always feel smaller than you wish you were, other people see you different than yourself. Personally this is what drives me in my training (and work, socially etc) because when you always stay critic in your apperance you have a huge improvement potential as you always try to improve on your own standards and goals.

[–]dontbedenied 1 point2 points  (7 children)

What was your diet/routine for putting on 40 pounds, and how long did it take? I'm about 6'1" and 170 and desperately trying to put on weight. I'm eating lots of protein, including supplements, and hitting the gym every day.

[–]PowergamesEnchanted 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My routine; in the morning i start with 4 pieces of bread with salamon in slices, great for fat And prots. 8 pieces of bread with mackerel in tomato (this norwegian shit We got) great for prots, fat, And omega 3. And a protein shake with my lunch. After work And before my work out 4 more pieces of bread with eggs, And som oat meal on the side. banana or two while working out A solid protein Shake with 40g prots after workout, plus dinner. (Usually pasta bolognese, lasagna, i love pasta dishes because of the cals, also important to eat alot og fish. And i often eat turkey, it has more prots than chicken) I try to eat atleast 700 g of turkey or meat with pasta or rice on the side. Important to eat brocoli on the side or potatoes. (or both) Add a pretty fat sauce for the fat, you'll need it to Get your muscles pumped up. And then 4 pieces of bread before i go to bed (If i ate early) plus i go to bed at ten, because i have work early. I try to Get 8 hours of sleep. I take creatin monohydrat on the side, helps with the pump And weigth. Never really counted my prots And cals a day, i just eat alot. Good luck brah

Edit; i've been eating and training for about a year seriously, 2-3 years just for the pump. Really started going at it last year tho. But for me training is more than eating And training. You need a good routine, sleep enough, drink water, eat alot, and try to stay away from alcohol. Alcohol ruins like 2 days of gains in one nigth.

[–]xtuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

3000 calories a day for 6 weeks , give her a try

[–]cyberkrist 47 points48 points  (1 child)

I wouldn't be giving anybody the "stare down" at that size for sure

[–]sketchyuser 1 points1 points [recovered]

Very skinny. I'm 6'2 and last time I was under 175 was when I was like 15. I cut from 205-175 last year and people thought I was way too skinny. I'm 195 now and still skinny but muscular.

[–]DopeMeme_Deficiency 2 points3 points  (12 children)

Yeah, I'm 5'9", 170, and not fat

[–]ocho-muerte 4 points5 points  (11 children)

5’6 170 not even close to fat, checking in

[–]theoracleofbromaha 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I'm 5'7 at 190. I find being as short as I am and weigh over 180 to be ridiculous that much mass is inefficient in my opinion. I run triathlons, so maybe I have a different view on this

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

5'5 280, and not at all fat, I walk on my hands

[–]Questionnaire7 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Im 6'2" 178lbs. Yea its kinda skinny. But im up from nearly a decade of 145-150lbs at the same height. Been stuck in the 170s for months and I dont know why

[–]Dr_D1amond 23 points24 points  (21 children)

6'4 230lbs master race checking in. 200lbs should be the bare minimum for anyone over 6ft

[–]POOPY_CHALUPA 9 points10 points  (5 children)

6'5 250 lbs of muscle here. I'm with you. I feel like a fucking silverback all the time and it's the only way to experience this world

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice. As 5'6 170 I'd have to go full napoleon mode to experience life on that level.

[–]Dr_D1amond 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. Im aiming to move to 240/250 but been stuck with injuries stopping me train properly.

[–]Batmansiphone 10 points11 points  (8 children)

Idk about that, im 6'4 and 195lbs and get called massive quite a bit. Depends on your frame, I only have a 30 inch waist so probably what causes me to weigh a lot less. Depends on the person and how lean you are

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Depends on the person and how lean you are

Spot on! What's your workout regime?- how do you maintain a 30 inch waist @ 195 lbs?

[–]Monkey_Jerk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

6'1 205lbs vs 170lbs and it's obvious he's too fluffy in the before pic so I dunno about 200 being the bare minimum where he'd look even fatter.

[–]M1ster_X 3 points4 points  (18 children)

Ironically being 6' to 6'2" and 170-175 lbs. is considered ideal BMI according to most calculators...which is why I stopped paying attention to BMI. I'm 6' and about 295 lbs., looking to get down to 250 lbs., and BMI calculators would still would count me as obese. Fuck that noise, lol.

[–]DopeMeme_Deficiency 5 points6 points  (8 children)

6' and 295? You're either a pro body builder in bulk phase, or you could stand to lose a little... I get that for guys who work out bmi doesnt mean shit, but even at 6' and 240 with moderate body fat, or 220 lean and you're huge

[–]M1ster_X 1 point2 points  (7 children)

I was 350 a year ago. Still have body fat, but have muscle as well. I eat too many carbs and sugars to ever get completely lean, and I'm fine with that fact lol.

[–]ThrowFader 10 points11 points  (6 children)

You shouldn't be fine with being overweight bro...

[–]M1ster_X 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Even when I hit my target weight (265, I decided on UFC Heavyweight size for no particular reason), I'd still be classified as overweight. I'll wait until I get there before I pass my final judgement on whether or not to keep cutting calories or just go into maintenance for the rest of my days.

[–]skullfu 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Even at 6'6", 250 lbs and cut, BMI calculators have me as obese. Lol

[–]Xenotheos 12 points13 points  (3 children)

BMI treats muscle and fat as the same thing. A worthless metric for anyone who works out even occasionally.

[–]Ch1pp 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah. If you work out you're not in the target market for BMI. I get fed up of people saying "I'm in great shape but my BMI says I'm overweight. It's all crap." They don't seem to realise that BMI is for couch potatoes trying to guestimate when they'll have their first heart attack.

[–]memphisjohn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

BMI was invented by the health insurance industry as a cheap / fast / easy / simple way for a non medical professional to get a rough number that correlates "close enough" with real world health outcomes. Then, the industry skewed the scales a bit so that they rarely have to offer the lowest "healthy" rates to anyone.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dude you by definition are obese and probably look like shit

[–]hillbull 1 points1 points [recovered]

Make eye contact with every male that is coming towards you

I don't fully agree with this one. When I see a guy with his girl staring me down, I get the sense he is insecure and needs to intimidate other guys because he isn't confident that his girl would stick around if a guy tried to pull moves.

Personally, I don't acknowledge anyone unless they matter to me. I may look their way in a crowd, but I don't try to make direct eye contact. If I make eye contact, fine, I wont look away scared, but I might be more inclined to give a friendly bro-nod. No different than having a firm hand shake.

Staring guys down gives them too much power and shows they have a direct affect on you. Don't let them feel that.

[–]lyftmore 1 points1 points [recovered]

Okay, I agree. Let’s change it to: Walking with your head up while being completely aware of your surroundings. Simply by lifting, standing up straight, and looking presentable we get the desired effect of guys giving us a certain level of respect.

I’m sure most of us would check out a good looking girl coming our way. However, if she’s with a presentable guy I notice that I don’t really check her out. It’s not much of a alpha thing as it is a respect thing, similar to holding the door open for someone.

[–]blueparka43 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You really feel the need to stare every guy in the face??? How fucking insecure are you

[–]Peter_B_Long 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just walking with confident posture and confidence is enough.

[–]S-Blaze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When a guy does that I just look at his girl lol curious. Not looking for stupid confrontations but I stay alert and return eye contact if maintained and if so a simple head nod change everything. Personally rarely happen anyway because i've got that ''death'' stare when I'm in my head lol.

[–]WolfofAnarchy 239 points240 points  (35 children)

Generally good, but this:

Make eye contact with every male that is coming towards you, try to do so from as far away as possible.

Is laughable. Don't do this. Because you're making eye contact for the sake of making it. You feel the need to show you're there and prove yourself by making them look away first.

You don't need to prove shit, because if you're really Alpha, you don't give a fuck about starers, it only makes you feel good because deep down you're very secure about you and you are not too attached to the girl, because she's not yours, it's only your turn.

[–]X-Trem0 77 points78 points  (2 children)

True security doesn't come from entering a room and knowing you're better than everybody else. It comes from knowing that, when you enter a room you don't need to compare yourself with anybody else.

I've heard that somewhere so, not mine :)

[–]TheRiseAndFall 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I agree with this. I was at the gym last night with just a dude and his girl there besides me. He was bigger than me but I had better muscle definition. I did my usual routine and left. The whole time he spent grabbing random weights and lifting them near me with shitty form. It looked just like how monkeys act when they are trying to show off to attract mates. He looked silly and try hard.

Don't just lift and get big. Work on not being insecure. It makes you look desperate and unattractive.

[–]Opioidus 33 points34 points  (12 children)

Furthermore, alpha males usually avoid "initiating" eye contact with other men,as if they're unworthy of their attention and pose no threat. But once eyes are connected, by accident for example, they won't look away first and hold the contact as long as possible.

There is a way to test the validity of this theory, next time try not to look at men who are approaching, instead stare into the horizon and walk past them as if they don't exist, you will feel very uncomfortable, almost as uncomfortable as holding eye contact for long periods of time.

Now with women the opposite is true, if they are your type, initiate and hold eye contact for as long as possible.

[–]ThickDickWarrior89 4 points5 points  (2 children)

What would you do in the situation when an alpha catches the eyes of someone else and they wish to challenge him? Example- unwilling to look away either and stating "what the fuck are you staring at?" Escalating violence.

[–]ThrowFader 10 points11 points  (0 children)

obviously don't look into the eyes of a violent individual... thats dumb not alpha

[–]WhoresOnAHorse 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Alpha males don't avoid anything, that's why they're alpha. But there are things they give a fuck about and things they don't. Some random dude on the street does definitely not belong to those. Sure, if they lock eyes with someone, they hold it, but they usually do not enter pathetic stare battles unless they actually consider the other guy as competition. Nothing cries beta more as someone desperately trying to prove that he can hold eye contact longer.

[–]Slut_Slayer9000 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You think alpha's are debating on a internet forum about whether making eye contact with a guy is alpha or not? Probably not, and worrying about either way won't help you get laid or become less of a pussy.

[–]WolfofAnarchy 1 point2 points  (6 children)

So about the not looking, you feel that's a good exercise?

[–]Opioidus 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Sure, also another way to test this is to look into how you personally feel as the object of other men's gaze. Personally when walking down the street I'm most intimidated by guys who completely ignore my existence. If we both look at each other, then if I look away first I feel worse.

So the hierarchy goes something like this ignoring men>looking away last>looking away first

Also when talking to someone the rules are different, when they're talking, don't nod, look distracted and only give them enough rye contact to keep them going, when you're the one speaking, lock eyes, and demand attention by looking at them intently.

When sitting in a room don't look to other men and don't glance in their direction, as f you're checking to see whether or not they're noticing you.

When out walking with girls, always put yourself between them and other men, and try to take space from said men instead of her.

[–]Godspeed311 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Where does a simple nod of acknowledgement and a look away fall into your calculations? If I catch another guy's eyes in public I have a tendency to smile, nod and look ahead. Just curious where you would place that.

[–]UnverifiedAllegation 4 points5 points  (1 child)

i feel like this obviously expresses the most self confidence. holding a mans gaze longer than he does without saying hi or something reeks of participating in some kind of adolescent dominance game.

much rather be seen as a confident, good guy who is liked and respected by men, and it follows that girls would be into that.

remember its not the most brutal chimp who is most successful (because he gets torn apart by 2 less brutal chimps who cant stand him) but the one who is respected by the men and loved by the women and children. or something like that, heard it from both chris ryan and jordan peterson

[–]krystyin 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Not only that but people actually use your eye direction to determine which way your are walking. Eye contact will promote, beggers asking you for money, hooligans trying to eye you down, girls think you are checking them out, etc. Just look where you are going.

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I would recommend eye contact with hooligans while walking somewhere dangerous. At least acknowledge them itll make them respect you and not want to do some fuck shit with you. I learned this growing up in rough neighborhoods.

[–]krystyin 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Agree, acknowledge but don't stare them down, as a white boy who grew up in the hood, I heard this more than once - "What are looking at boy...", "I aksed you a question.... why you staring at me." then giving me the stink eye while his buddies are backing him.. fun times.

[–]MisterMarbles1988 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is accurate. When I was younger, I was living in a heavily black, crime-filled neighborhood. Also I was going through a punk phase and had a shaved head and doc martens.

Even still, I acknowledged everyone loitering on a sidewalk looking at me as I walked by with a nod or a "morning", "hows it going" etc.

[–]Shitonya_Johnson 3 points4 points  (0 children)

and depending on where you are, it's a good way to start a confrontation. it's not necessary and a waste of effort.

[–]Subbs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I've done this in the past and it just made me feel stupid and creepy. Feels better to genuinely not give a shit about who's looking at you.

Besides meeting someone's look frankly, meaning not just glancing like a bitch to 'check' and surprising them looking at you'll make them look away automatically 9 times out of 10 anyway.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Make eye contact with every male that is coming towards you

Is laughable. Don't do this.

I agree. Direct, prolonged eye contact is considered a threat or challenge to all primate species.

A good thousand yard stare in the direction you're heading, with a look at an approaching person then back to the thousand yard stare works well.

[–]i_forget_my_userids 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Hands down the most laughably autistic part of the OP. Glad I'm not the only one who zeroed in on that. Everything else was pretty on-point, though.

[–]lyftmore 1 points1 points [recovered]

Autistic as an insult? Kinda lame man

[–]Jack4ss92 7 points8 points  (0 children)

im cringing so hard rn at this post

[–]1Entropy-7 3 points4 points  (2 children)

If you are crossing the road, then it is good idea to make eye contact with any driver coming your way, but every guy coming your way is a bit much.

[–]UnverifiedAllegation 5 points6 points  (1 child)

only the guys with pretty eyes then

[–]1Entropy-7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In Vancouver, unless you are lookin for a rim job, you don't make eye contact with every guy on the street

[–]Modredpillschool 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you're nearby somebody, a quick eye contact and nod isn't a bad idea. I generally do this while hiking.

On a city street? Ignore everybody.

[–]TheEndlessRoadAhead 165 points166 points  (52 children)

-Be tall (optional)

5'9 manlet reporting in.

Trust me, I know it's optional.

[–]D50HS 114 points115 points  (30 children)

5'9 isn't considered a manlet. I'm 5'5, I'm a manlet :3

[–]0signal0 115 points116 points  (11 children)

Some internet cultures consider everything below 6 ft. to be manlet territory.

It's yet another example of men collectively bowing down to the preferences of women.

[–]Uptown_NOLA 32 points33 points  (1 child)

I think it is more an acknowledgement of the statistical illiteracy of women.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (6 children)

5'11.5 checking in. Almost made the cut.

[–]KumonRoguing 18 points19 points  (4 children)

You say you're 6ft. They won't know the difference. If any other guy who's 6ft says something you shit on him.

[–]francisco_DANKonia 18 points19 points  (2 children)

No guy is going to call out half an inch either

[–]KumonRoguing 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've had a few who thought they were slightly taller than me and 6ft call me out. I always blame their height boosting shoes.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You grow and shrink about that much throughout your day anyway so its negligable

[–]kelticslob 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Alas, the Manlet King has arrived!

[–]chpipes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The preferences of everybody

[–]harsha_hs 24 points25 points  (10 children)

5'5 too. I have broad shoulders and wide chest. I always wear tight fitting clothes. Lift heavy weights, you can have broad shoulders too.

[–]D50HS 18 points19 points  (9 children)

Well I'm 16yo so I don't know if I'll grow taller or not but in the meantime my main goal is getting yocked and wide (check out AlphaDestiny on YouTube)

[–]SouthernFit 39 points40 points  (0 children)

16, you lucky bastard. You don't even understand how much of an advantage you will have in life if you soak all this up at your age.

[–]TheRedManFromRussia 17 points18 points  (7 children)

I like his advice, but don't get memed into thinking girls will like "bear mode" over a shredded guy.

[–]D50HS 7 points8 points  (6 children)

I don't like either tbh, being shredded will make you look like a scrony kid in clothes unless you wear an x-small or something (roids). And being high BF% will make your face too puffy and overall bloated.

Somewhere between 12%-15% would be good for me.

[–]TheRedManFromRussia 2 points3 points  (2 children)

> being shredded will make you look like a scrony kid in clothes

depends how big you are.

I'm sure if alex cut down to 8-10% bodyfat (that's what I mean by shredded), he'd look amazing.

[–]D50HS 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Actually Alex is planning on getting "stupid lean" after hitting some goals. He'd look damn good compared to his former lean self (2014?) with all that increased muscle size. But he'll definitely lose some muscle from it.

[–]_PM_ME_YOUR_GOALS_ 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I'm not even religious but you got me praying you're just using :3 ironically.

Nobody takes you seriously with that shit. Your goal should not be to appear cute, especially at 5'5.

Make the best of what you've got and don't compromise yourself to insecurities. Playing them off as a joke has the same effect.

[–]DF-RP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While I agree with the gist of your post, I disagree with the blanket advice of not appearing cute at 5'5". I'm 5'5" and while I lift, I'll never look like Chad Thundercock. I'm not going to be the manly guy ever, but my face allows me to play the cute/pretty boy aspect and I damn well do it. Has found me into beds of 11 girls this year as well.

Know what archetype you fit and play it. But yeah, you shouldn't act like a child even if you go for the cute angle, they won't take you as their superior that way.

[–]Rudeyyyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm 5'4 lol it's even shorter.

[–]D50HS 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Lmao im not trying to look cute, I'm new to Reddit and the font is different from other sites (I created the account a while back though). Infact I want to be jacked and rock a beard and fuck shit up.

And being short is no problem for me 'cause I live somewhere where the average male is 5'5-5'7


[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 15 points16 points  (4 children)

I knew a marine that was a 5'7" pile of muscle. His mother was mick and his father native Okinawan. As he tells it, at age five his father started training him and something stuck cause this mother fucker was built. Given the three scraps I was by his side in, height was definitely optional to him. I literally watched him throw a guy two meters once.

[–]The_Lightskin_Wonder 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm 5'7 I'm usually always the shortest guy in the room.

5'10 seems to be the sweet spot.

[–]Hjalmbere 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Depends on the average male height where you live. 5'9 is manlet in The Netherlands maybe. Not in Southern Europe.

[–]RIchardjCranium 4 points5 points  (1 child)

5'5" 140lb manlet here. Trust me the last thing I do when I'm out is try to stare down and out-AMOG every guy I walk by on the street. I would be asking for trouble I just go about my business.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

5'7 manlet here, confirmed jelly of u 5'9 manmore

[–]ProMathlete 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Started lifting, went from 5'7" to 5'8" due to posture I'm guessing.

Plenty of shawties out there for us, easier to plow anyway.

[–]AlphaGrad 1 point2 points  (2 children)

How much of a shit posture did you have before?

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're average height for a guy

[–]FirstNamesMusic 3 points4 points  (1 child)

5 foot 8 here, honestly never been an issue, though I am built (215-220). Then again I don't really ask out any women taller than me.

[–]TheMajesticDoge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

5'8 220 is obese kinda wtf

[–]BlackCrowRising 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I spit coffee all over my dash reading that one +1

[–]1Entropy-7 14 points15 points  (4 children)

So, if you are in UK, Australia or Hong Kong, then keep the girls on your left side?

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Keep girls away from the side of the traffic. They subconsciously notice that.

[–]CC_ee 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Probably the only good female related advice i received from my mother

[–]pl00pt 1 points1 points [recovered]

But then they're exposed to people walking the other way as OP said.

The fact that I hear it both ways about 50/50 whenever this comes up tells me it doesn't matter.

[–]UnverifiedAllegation 7 points8 points  (0 children)

i continuously circle my female companions

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 55 points56 points  (6 children)

At 6'2" 170, you need to eat and lift.

[–]BIRCHTREEIII 1 points1 points [recovered]

He has an 8 pack, why are you giving him fitness advice?

[–]LordThunderbolt 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Being skinny and having abs is like being a fish and knowing how to swim

[–]BIRCHTREEIII 1 points1 points [recovered]

Well yeah, you have to be low bf% to have abs..

[–]LordThunderbolt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah but having no muscle mass with and isn't an achievement

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Abs on a skinny guy is like big tits on a fat chick. Not saying this guy is that skinny but by no means would I pass him on the street wearing clothes and think he was big.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Ignore every girl that is coming towards you. This has the opposite effect of eye contact, girls will feel more comfortable looking at you if they know you're not going to catch them looking.

This is a great tip.

I do my best to end the interaction quickly. Homeless man wants money "Not today, sorry", Greenpeace wants a signature "Not today, sorry", someone offers you something "No thanks".

This ends nuisance interactions instantly without conflict which impresses girls who are more likely to say "um... no thanks?" and continue the interaction hoping to be allowed to leave soon. Do the opposite of that.

To elucidate further on this: You want to be saying a few more than the minimum syllables. "No, thank you" is better than "no-thanks". Say "No, thank you", with the emphasis on no. Polite, firm, downward (commanding) tonality. Pause after the no. Slightly louder than normal, solid confident eye contact followed by looking away when you finish speaking to make it harder for them to reengage. It's very effective.

Do all of this while remaining playful with her, she shouldn't know you're putting in any effort. This is the hardest part, you want to be fun, playful, and nice to her while remaining assertive to everyone else.

Absolutely this.

Advanced mode: when you can do all the things in the post naturally and easily, it's time to make sure that you don't end up being the white-knight protector guy.

Personally I do this by occasionally throwing her under a bus socially. Knowing she's conflict-averse and you having control over other people and her, means you can put her in awkward positions and keep her there for a while. Encouraging the guy who's hitting on her to continue, not rescuing her from slightly awkward situations, getting the girl she dislikes to come talk to her and then "leaving you girls alone to talk", etc. All this with a mischievous smirk.

Obviously never any hint of physical danger, and it should be fucking hilarious to you. So when she complains later you burst out laughing again.

[–]vsamael 1 points1 points [recovered]

But wont those girls, that you are avoiding eye contacts with, feel/think/predict that you are a eye-contact-avoiding pussy?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 9 points10 points  (0 children)

  1. They don't see you avoiding eye contact, they see you not noticing them.

  2. Doesn't matter anyway, you're gaming the girl you're with, not the others.

[–]MisterMarbles1988 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When walking through the city with a friend of mine, we were approached by beggars constantly. He very swiftly shut them down by saying, "Sorry we're in a rush" and kept walking. I thought it was pretty keen and have adopted it since.

[–]psmask12 66 points67 points  (0 children)

I like this. Good write up. Feel like i didnt learn anything new but you exressed it all very well and i agree with it 100%

[–]cyberkrist 19 points20 points  (8 children)

It really seems like many men on here spend more time ticking boxes on the "red pill" checklist that actually enjoying their life. If I had to go through this mental gymnastics every time i took a woman out I wouldn't take women out. I simply don't care if people check me out, check her out, walk too close. I'm out for me, not them.

[–]BubbleGas 1 points1 points [recovered]

And trying to stare down other dudes? Fucking lol at that attempt to be alpha. I'm a boxer and I've had some terrible days in the past. If people even slightly pissed me off just slightly I would start fights. The truth is most men have no clue how to take a punch, and it only takes one to knock them out.

I don't do that anymore, fortunately. It's fucking stupid to try to stare down other men. There are people out there with bad intentions, why even risk getting yourself into fights (possibly even killed)?

OP still puts pussy on a pedestal, he needs that constant validation from succes with women.

[–]lyftmore 1 points1 points [recovered]

No way dude! you’re a boxer??????!!!

Most people don’t want to be charged with assault over eye contact. I guess you’re more cool than them though

[–]BubbleGas 1 points1 points [recovered]

You jest, but here's the thing. I am now mentally stable and wouldn't want to get charged with assault. However, there was a time when I was mentally unstable. At that time, I really didn't care what happened to me.

Better to be safe than sorry bro.

[–]Kellywasmyfirst 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Plus you are thinking rationally. Some men don't. Some men might have shitty day. You never know what kind of person you'll meet. It could be some psycho ready to stab you with one bad look.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (5 children)

This about eye contact is bullshit. How are you guys in USA behaving?

In most cities of Europe, not to mention East Europe, staring guys down will get you in hospital quickly. Unwritten rule is if someone looks you more then 2 seconds in the eye you will get up and ask whats the problem.

For Christ sake, stay healthy.

[–]_vend7u 4 points5 points  (0 children)

ikr shits gonna end up bad read quick for some 1

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (1 child)

more then 2 seconds in the eye you will get up and ask whats the problem.

only low self confidence morons do that in eastern europe. i'm russian and pretty much all the guys that react that way are your typical gopnik idiots who'd get floored with one roundhouse kick to the temple from me. shit like that doesn't bother me because i don't care if some low brow idiot is looking at me.

[–]Xoramung 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm 21, 6'2" 170 lbs

You would move out of my way.

[–]ruboius99 23 points24 points  (4 children)

"Make eye contact with every male that is coming towards you"

you're retarded

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

An easy way to get a bullet through you

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Christ where the fuck do you live? Compton? The Korean DMZ?

[–]hafunnylol 5 points6 points  (0 children)

OP I hope you read this...

You're ripped. Every guy on here posting their height and weight and calling you skinny is a child going "look at me, look at me."

You shouldn't have let it get to you, but you did. You posted an extra photo and said how you don't like people calling you skinny. That's where you went wrong in your post.

Yea the eye contact thing was unnecessary, but people just love to hate and they ridiculously overreacted to one point.

Have confidence in yourself to not let the trp loser hardos get to you.

[–]deione 24 points25 points  (3 children)

this is just garbage, you have the build of a skeleton and you feel compelled to turn a walk with your little sister into an essay about how alpha you are. not to mention,

make eye contact with every guy you see

are you kidding me? if i saw your scrawny ass squinting at me from across the street i'd think you were retarded. please don't post again

[–]b33k3rz 1 points1 points [recovered]

Can't believe people are eating this shit up. OP is a fucking stick at 170. People probably look away when you make eye contact because they think you have Aspergers, anxiously trying to lock eyes with everyone.

Also, are you trying to close with your 11 yr old sister? Congrats on showing her how alpha you are.

[–]reddit_sucks6 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Make eye contact with every male that is coming towards you

Holy shit we are reaching mega autism levels with this. How much of a fucking sperg are you?

[–]recursoinominado 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I like how specific is this post. But, I feel that holding the girls hand give them the "daddy is taking me to the park" and "daddy is taking care of me" feelings.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I had a (very small, even for a woman) coworker say something similar to me. She said she "felt safe" with me, she was basically leaning on me as we walked. It felt like a father/daughter situtation. She sometimes calls me "daddy" but I just brush it off. The kicker is though, she has a boyfriend, women are wierd man. Its tempting but dont shit where you eat and all that.

[–]Bruno-OS 7 points8 points  (0 children)

6'2" 170 is kind of skinny

[–]SergiuIlescu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

-Keep your girl on your right side. That way you are a barrier between her and people walking by, so she won't get bumped.

Literally every respectable figure I grew up with, told me to have the woman by the non-dominant side so in case anything happens I have the dominant side clear

[–]rajputnomad 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nice write up man, really nice. Felt like I read some fresh after many days. Thank You

[–]4skinlicker 5 points6 points  (2 children)

God men have to do everything

[–]AlanAmpersand1 1 points1 points [recovered]

Trade off for not living as a slave to emotions and being generally weak.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You don't seem built at all at 6'2" and only 170lb. I am 5'7" 170 and built

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children)

You're super skinny, not built. 6'2 at 170? I am 6'0 at 190 very lean and I am still not big.

[–]LeadBased 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Maybe he's built like Johnny bravo where he has no legs and is all upper body

[–]BUTTLORD2069LITTSWAG 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I wonder if this sub attracts borderline autistics. This is basic human instinct.

[–]ILiftHeavvyShitt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Can't make eye contact with the other males in my area, made eye contact with some guy and a fight almost broke out at fuckin jack in the box

[–]eaeulis 4 points5 points  (2 children)

i agree and apply with most of this stuff except the ignore every girl while out. i like to add a bit of dread always and interact with a few girls, whether flirty or just casual...her hamster still spins. I feel this keeps your abundance mentality in effect and displays higher value, knowing you can replace the girl your with at any moment.

[–]lyftmore 1 points1 points [recovered]

Whatever works. I know that by ignoring girl you will get more glances/looks from them. A girl doesn’t want to get caught checking you out, so make it clear that you won’t catch them and let them look.

Girls are so aware of looks that you and her get while walking. Nothing communicates abundance like every other girl eye fucking you while you blatantly ignore them.

I stand by what I said

[–]dickinlipss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I went running with a girl and a passerby literally glanced at both of us several times with a huge smile on her face. Definitely not necessarily checking me out but more supportive for the girl on the date in some unspoken way.

[–]xynaxia 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Sometimes it's size.

But I can assure you that if you walk pass the italian mafia, all those 5'7 dudes, you won't stare too long either.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You are responsible for all interactions with strangers.

I was at the bus stop with my last girl, early on with her, she's a smokeshow half my age, met her at the university. We were chatting and some woman came up asking for spare change and I just gave her a nasty look and went back to chatting....I was trying to make a point and did not appreciate the interruption.

This bitch yelled, "Do you think you're better than me?" I looked this skanky bitch up and down, I looked my girl up and down (wholesome half Jewish half WASP girl, pretty face, big tits, child bearing hops) and I said....."Yep."

[–]acertenay 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I do agree that this is nice for the girl but a bit hard for the guy. Last year was the first time I went with my gf for a vacation to paris. I usually go on vacation with my friends but this was a romantic vacation. While I feel really easy and relaxed travelling with guys, travelling with my gf was a bit hard. Because I was responsible for all the interactions. Add the two aggressive scam artists I met in paris, it made things a bit more stressfull for me. But overall I do agree with your philiosophy, my girlfriend was quite glad that I was there to defend her from the aggressive scammers.

[–]ThickDickWarrior89 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I agree with this. Caring for a woman is sometimes a burden and when your with your buddies you don't have to do carry that burden.

[–]acertenay 2 points3 points  (2 children)

yeah. Especially if you are in a city like Paris with lots of aggressive scammers.

[–]MorpheusGaveMeDrugs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see so many comments from europeans, why not use the good ol' simple metric system

[–]changechange1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm 6'1 and about 190lb and im not 'big' by any stretch.

But moving away from redpill for a second, I hope you take on board what your sister said and spend more time with her these next few years. I can guarantee this won't always be the case

[–]Raywhat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What's the meaning of breaking eye contact first? I usually break first not out of intimidation, but because it feels uncomfortable and awkward staring strangers down in the eye. Don't people take that as a threat also?

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah lots of guys would have a problem with that

[–]plybianz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

6'3" 250lb master race, but I only bench 315 fml

[–]Kingslayer9669 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think posture is an important aspect as well. In one day if I have bad posture I get overlooked or at least feel as if I am. I have made a conscious effort to having good posture - and as much as humanly possible I try to mimic vladmir putins power body language - that has gotten me many numbers without putting much effort in. If you dont have control of your body it makes having control of the conversation much harder in my experience

[–]midtrains 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm an incredibly small woman (4'11", 106lbs) and honestly this wouldn't make me feel safer or any better than I would feel on my own. Work on improving your personality first.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Christ man you are 6'2 and just 170 lbs. What kind of Disney village do you live in? Young girls are easy to impress.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My best friend from my grammar school years had a sister three years younger than me that became pretty much a sister to me. I literally called her "my other blonde sister" and did a lot of the big brother stuff. Her father (that's right gents, back in the 70s it wasn't unusual for a father to get full custody) would often leave her with me as a babysitter, because he could trust me--and yeah, he could trust me. Anyway, fast forward to me being 20 and in college. She was a smart cookie and figured out that due to my best bro's work schedule, my school and work schedule and various other factors that if she got to me at the right time every other Friday, I'd make time for her. However, she wasn't a little kid any more; she wasn't asking me to take her for pony rides or ice cream.

What was really up was she wanted to go to parties with her absolutely drop dead gorgeous best friend (as in I was really close to committing a number of felonies a couple times she was so hot). I will admit, the sister was exceptionally attractive as well. The problem is that they were so hot, parties were fairly hostile environments for them--dozens of horny high schoolers acting like wild penis monsters. The first time I took them out, as I was getting out of my car, a jarhead drunk HS jock stepped to me, as his friends tried to drag him off before he got his ass beat and then arrested--most of my friends were cops, soon to be cops including my best bro and military, so this was going to end very poorly for him. It became painfully what they wanted from me; I was their mobile bouncer.

It's just how the human race works, but yes, the world out there can be hostile to attractive young women. The sexually successful male of the species is driven to aggressively seek out and penetrate these women as a means to further the species. Just know that if you have a mobile bouncer, he's probably setting up things with the older girls at your parties...

Anyway, good post, but I'm going to disagree with one thing. Kinda.

if they know you're not going to catch them looking

If you are actually hot, they want you to catch them. This is a signaling behavior. The problem is that most guys get completely creepy when this happens. They go full tardo-staring contest mode or sheepish. If you catch at woman doing this, be playful with them. Treat them like a child caught playing peek-a-boo.

[–]jacobsd9494 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Looking every guy in the eye that you pass is what I imagine every man wearing an Affliction or New England Patriots shirt does.

[–]Danimal1999 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So modest too. This was a really impressive post! How can I be like you?

[–]RosstheMoss81 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If OP was truly confident he wouldn't need a bunch of rules walking down the street. He'd just walk down the street.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Solid post, 6/10, would read again. Upvoted.

[–]Legendary_Squirrel 1 point2 points  (1 child)

LMAO 6'2 170??? That's borderline anorexic female status xD. Always the scrawny twigs acting like a tough guy "staring down" every dude lol when they probably thinking someone get that guy a burger. And your pic didn't help your cause

And the best part is, he uses his 11 YEAR OLD sister as validation. That's probably the only girl in the world that would consider 6'2 170 "built"

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 3 points4 points  (0 children)

he's not fat from his pic and has decent muscle. he's not a bodybuilder, but he's not a twig. lets see your pics for all that shit talking

[–]jigglyp33n 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Username: lyftmore 6'2" 170 lbs Wut

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