Rant/VentingThe Women who are too Smart to have a boyfriend (self.TheRedPill)

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Natasha Hooper, 22, says men do not know how to deal with educated women. She is worried about not finding love because of a shortage of educated men.

Becca Porter, 23, says a man factory worker turned her down for being too clever. She says the sense of achievement derived from learning is alien to most men.

Andrea Gould, 41, believes her intellect has prevented her from finding love ‘I get the impression they’d rather date a girl without a degree, said Andrea.

Indeed, she is one of a growing breed of women who fear — perhaps with good reason — they will be left on the proverbial shelf because of a shortage of educated men.

Recent figures from the university admissions service UCAS showed that 30,000 more women than men are starting degree courses in the UK. On A-level results day last month, 133,280 British women aged 18 secured a university place compared with 103,800 men of the same age.

The effects of this carry over into the workplace, where women aged from 22 to 29 typically now earn £1,111 more a year than their male peers.

This growing gulf between male and female attainment — the result, many believe, of the feminisation of the education system, with more female teachers, less physical exercise and an emphasis on the arts — is having troubling repercussions when it comes to relationships.

A recent study found more than 90 per cent of predominantly graduate women surveyed were delaying motherhood not to pursue careers, but because they couldn’t find a suitable man.

Some were so despairing they were considering freezing their eggs as an insurance policy.

Put simply, it is an oversupply of educated females. In China, they are called ‘leftover’ women.

‘It sounds cold and callous, but in demographic terms it’s true. There are not enough graduates for them,’ said the study’s author Marcia Inhorn, professor of anthropology at Yale University.

The upshot? Frustrated young women terrified of being left single and childless — and men driven by a sense of inadequacy.

‘Men may claim to want educated women, but don’t know how to deal with those they meet and some say they’re intimidated by me,’ says Natasha, who grew up in Birmingham and is single after breaking up with her boyfriend this year.

‘I feel I’m hitting a brick wall.’

Now women are competing with men for the same careers — there are more female junior doctors than male, for example, while nearly two-thirds of practising lawyers in Scotland under 40 are women — their achievements have become more problematic.

‘Smart women raise the issue of who would take time off when they have children,’ says Hodgson. ‘After all, why should a female partner stop working if she’s studied hard for her career?

‘The reality is that with women getting more — and better — degrees, in the next ten to 20 years women will be smarter than men, in terms of how well they’re educated. And I don’t think men are ready for this.’


These are the effects of hypegamy on society: marriage will implode as women can not find men above them. If you put women above men, women will refuse to mate with men, and will grow increasingly nasty towards them. Because women despise men below them. What happens when most men are below women? Women refuse to mate. This will hit marriages, relationships, and the birth rate.

This will also increase dysgenics - smart women not having children, leading to the dumbing down of society.

Women are programmed to look for men above them. Therefore if you put women above men, crazy things will happen. Such as women refusing to mate men, growing increasingly nasty towards men (third wave feminism) and the culture dying due to negative birth rate.

Other, more traditional cultures, will probably replace such a strange culture, where women refuse to mate because the available men are below them, leading to negative birth rates and the disappearance of that culture.

[–][deleted] 539 points540 points  (39 children)

Before, they were victims because they weren't educated like men.

Now, they're victims because men are not educated enough to date.

Feminism is the ultimate victimhood mentality. No matter, they'll always want more, and they'll always claim special treatment.

The only options are to laugh or ignore, depending on your mood.

I love reading feminist articles, I get a rise out of them few other themes elicit. They are one of life's guilty pleasures.


[–]biggerbetterjobs 179 points180 points  (33 children)

I don't really need to say it since it's been said a billion times here.. But third wave feminism has become a total farce. White women (majority of these feminists) are the most privileged little princesses on earth. They get their education paid for by their parents, or if they can't swing that, there's always student loans, sugar daddies, cam shows, or simply playing dudes to take care of them.

I see these chicks dressed like hookers from grand theft auto blowing money on uber rides around brooklyn and queens when I've literally walked across boroughs because for me it's "if I take the subway then I can't afford to get a coffee tomorrow morning before class".

They claim to fight for social justice, yet their only social justice issues are about what they can and can't wear in social situations that have a fucking dress code (whether enforced or not it's a general rule of thumb to not dress like you're hitting the club at work or school).. Men being "abusive" because they expect their girl to not act like a thotty. It's absolutely absurd.

To top it off, a lot of them are on psychiatric medications when they probably don't truly need them. When their psychological problems can be solved with some self-reflection, overcoming some shit, or simply just working on themselves. I highly doubt many of them have a true chemical imbalance.. They just want speed, xannies, and painkillers. Some of them I presume have a fetish for getting attention in hospitals by all the "checking in to the ER!" posts I see on FB.

White women from working class backgrounds are usually a bit more level headed and less absurd because they actually had to work a day in their lives to make ends meet and understand the world has a way of working where you put in work and effort to receive some kind of positive result.. Not just whining waiting for some white knight to rescue them.

[–]1mental_models 51 points52 points  (8 children)

from what I've seen, working-class women are no more level headed. My impression is a little less of the spoiled/entitlement and a little more of the crazy/bitch.

[–]tortillastomper 25 points26 points  (7 children)

You got that right, man. You get one or the other. Only way around it is to train them yourself.

[–]XReverenceX 1 points1 points [recovered]

Training them yourself is the only way, sadly to be in the position of authority in their eyes, and to actually be able to mold them in today's society is nearly impossible. Influencing a woman's mind in the long term is not easy in a society where they have access to anything and everything, from friends at work, news, articles, social media posts, and all the above, to see how "abusive and controlling you are." When there is countering influential factors everywhere, unless you are Jesus Christ Incarnate, you have no chance.

[–]tortillastomper 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Never said it'd be easy. Besides that goes against everything a real relationship is about. Relationships shouldn't be so much work. That's what really sucks. The only work you should have to put into a relationship should be just the differences you overcome not having to pass shit test after shit test or having that kind of power over another person.

[–]XReverenceX 1 points1 points [recovered]

In an ideal world that would be true. Idealism is a thing of the past. Reality is, all relationships are pure work once out of the rabbit fucking phase. People are shit, plain and simple. We may each have some good qualities, but much of what we deal with is the unclean, unrefined, reprobate, and damaged character/personality of the other.

One of my biggest issues I'm having currently is, throwing away all the ideals that I had for how things SHOULD be, and all the expectations I had for women as I have developed much more into a man.

Women were never meant to stand beside, they were to sit below.

Women are children, forever and always.

Sadly, today they think they are adults, and just look at how far we have come....

[–]tortillastomper 4 points5 points  (3 children)

So true. My best relationships have been when I really didn't care about my girl and treated more like a child or inferior. Those lasted long term. The relationships where I loved hard I was met with callous disregard and were over in a few months. Funny how that works.

[–]rp_newdawn 38 points39 points  (17 children)

I mean... you're not wrong... but I think we can both agree that New York women are on a different fucking level. By far and away the highest average psychosis of any population of women I have ever encountered.

[–]Shariabluew 27 points28 points  (9 children)

Toronto has to be a close second

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (8 children)

Toronto? Close second? Are you cereal? I can't imagine any place to be worse than toronto lmao.

[–]eccentricrealist 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I don't know, I think Parisian women are their own category

[–]RedPimpin 8 points9 points  (6 children)

how are the women in new york? i heard that they outnumber men which would make it a good place to slay no?

[–]rp_newdawn 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Easiest place to slay i have ever lived in. Hardest place to find a quality women.

[–]smirk_addict 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I've never been there but that's impression I get of it. High notch count attractive entitled self destructive women living in this fleeting fast lifestyle. There is just too many opportunities to meet women to not get laid. But you'd be a fool to offer your commitment and resources to the lot of them.

[–]fromthecrypt8 16 points17 points  (0 children)

"How are the women in New York?"

Try cold, heartless, cunning, hamstering, aggressive and self-entitled. Oh, and there's always the good ol' "bitchy".

It doesnt matter that they outnumber men unless you are in the top 20 % of guys.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 3 points4 points  (0 children)

how are the women in new york?

This isn't, strictly, true. Demographically there is a slight surplus of men, but once you weed out the "living in mom's basement" crowd and the other undateables, if you are a "normal" - most of his teeth, can walk upright, acceptable table manners and looks employable - then you should do just fine.

The problem with NYC (and other urban areas) is that of "literary" women, e.g. Lori Gottlieb, who wrote a book called "Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough", because she picked her way through her available suitors, Goldilocks-style, but never found "Mr. Right" so her son's father is "Test Tube #345si47B2"

The problem, generally, is that women and girls are sold a pile of manure with "Princess Culture", how wonderful they are, how "they don't NEED no man!"... until they wake up in the Epiphany Phase and discover that, yes, Virginia, they need a man.

Delaying Marriage + Hypergamy = Spinster Cat Colonists by the Dozen.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Wait, they post on FB that they’re in the ER?

[–]lawlyer1216 18 points19 points  (0 children)

gotta get them sympathy likes

[–]Barvazon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Check In option or "care where I am"

[–]plainposter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

pro tip: make your own coffee... it costs $0.30 opposed to $3.00.. yes i weighed the beans on a scale and did the math one day

[–]rogellparadox 2 points3 points  (2 children)

They'll always find a way to victimize themselves and still put men as villains.

The problem with ignoring it is actually serious. They're taking more and more space and their demented ideas are becoming the rules. And still men are helping them, what's disgusting.

[–]AllahHatesFags 444 points445 points  (50 children)

Men do not reject women because they have degrees. These women are the ones doing the rejecting because women don't want lower status men.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 208 points209 points  (6 children)

Yeah but women also refuse to take accountability for their actions and decisions.

So if you think about it it's all the men's fault!

[–]stlcp 36 points37 points  (5 children)

Whether it is women's or men's fault isn't the issue you should tell yourself. More so don't have a weak frame when you're talking to an "institutionally" smarter woman. She might be STEM/institutional smart but you have other aspects in your life that make you smarter than her in, (unless it's in something useless like being great at video games).

Allowing society to dictate your thoughts and measure of success is a weakness in itself. How do you think these loser dudes fuck hella girls? They don't give a shit about her achievements/status, dont need her, and are there to connect emotionally and physically, is that not better than status cos it shows a strong mind and independence? Is this not MGTOW but with sex with women added?

[–]GOR098 30 points31 points  (1 child)

While reading this I coud not help but think "having a degree does not mean more intelligent or better money maker".

[–]stlcp 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It's true. It's more of a self image thing that because society says you have to have a good degree to make money.

Those who do get a degree have a self image of being wealthier cos i went to college so they lose sleep over not making money. They need to satisfy this self image so they are more proactive in trying to make money and thus more than likely to become wealthy.

The guy who didn't go to college thinks because society says he didn't go to college, he wont make a lot of money. So he doesn't lose sleep over not making a certain amount of money because his self-image is im just not "That Guy."

Meanwhile his friend who didnt go to college but has a self image of being wealthy is hustling his fucking ass off and gets rich. And later on that guy is like "fuck him, he got lucky."

[–]RighteousSouljah 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Yeah shes indoctrinated and "lower status" men are usually higher skilled and honorable dignified and moral but all those things dont matter women just want money

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Women want status, not necessarily money. If you look at everything they're attracted to, it all comes down to status.

[–]1Entropy-7 149 points150 points  (20 children)

Men reject women who are bitches. Full stop. Unless you are talking about a hate-fuck, guys who have options are not going to put up with their nonsense.

The issue is emerging female equality (economically speaking) combined with female hypergamy (in the classical sense, not the TRP version).

If women and men had the same income distribution but women insisted on their SO making - say - 20% more than them, it is rather obvious how this house of cards crumbles

[–]1Sir_Distic 101 points102 points  (16 children)

Exactly my thoughts. Men don't reject educated women. Men reject bitches. Entitled cunts who feel they are better than others.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (14 children)

In Washington DC I met so many 4’s and 5’s that thought themselves 10’s simply because of their education. It was fucking weird. I told so many women they weren’t pretty enough to act that bitchy. LOL.

Also, you haven’t been shit tested till you’ve been shit tested by a woman who is smarter than you.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (3 children)

A woman with an education is much like a nice guy. All other things being equal, I'd like an educated woman, but I'm not going to put up with a bitch to get it. Similarly, women do like nice guys but they're not going to put up with a pussy to get it.

It's classic projection. Women are attracted to men with strong careers and so they assume a strong career will make them attractive. Men are attracted to kind, submissive women and so they assume being kind and submissive will make them attractive.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Women are attracted to men with strong careers and so they assume a strong career will make them attractive.

Women didn't assume this until older feminists started indoctrinating women into this thinking. At no point in my life have I ever heard a guy say "yah but she's got such a good job!". This is one example of how women take the shape of their container. Grow up in a world that tells you your purpose is to get a degree and that married with children is prison? They'll go get degrees and then struggle with the cognitive dissonance the rest of their lives.

[–]ThrowFader 19 points20 points  (0 children)

An alpha man that's rich and nice is much like a unicorn. All other things being equal a girl would like a nice guy, but she's not going to put up with a pussy pushover to get it. Similarly, men do like smart women, but they won't put up with a bitch (kinda not true but you get the point).

Understanding the above is really Red Pill.

Everyone wants nice things. But nice is subjective.

Girls will settle for a guy who's a dick, and guys will settle for a girl who is a pussy. But a guy won't take a girls who is a dick, and a girl won't take a guy who's a pussy.

Wow. Simple but powerful.

[–]X-Trem0 3 points4 points  (1 child)

How the fuck did that go? I can imagine it to be challenging 😁

[–]bkk123 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Also, you haven’t been shit tested till you’ve been shit tested by a woman who is smarter than you.

I recently dealt with lots of female PhD types in recruitment (not in some nonsense SJW areas but hard science) and they give me so much shit that I simply refuse to deal with them at this point.

They absolutely need men who built relevant companies. Once society breaks down and I'm entirely sure it will do so in the next decades in western Europe, their perceived level of intelligence won't mean jack shit.

[–]dirtysatisfaction 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's like that where I'm from. But, it's not just their education. It's the moral virtue that was instilled in them, since the day they learned to comprehend. It's rare here to find a woman (here) that is educated and whose head isn't as bloated as her gut when it's that time of the month.

And, not just the educated. The never weres are just as bad, if not, worse than the educated ones. It's like a fairy tale nightmare of depressed Cinderellas that believe their heads more than their eyes.

[–]1Sir_Distic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'd love to know how the shit tests are from an educated woman vs a regular woman.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They’re just very clever. It’s like being cross examined by a very smart lawyer who is setting a trap for you. They’re also very quick to find the things you’re sensitive about and starting hitting them hard.

Once I was talking at a cocktail bar with three early 20 somethings (I’m almost 40) who were working in DC in prestigous jobs, they’d all been to elite schools.

At one point there was a lull and they were boring me so I whipped out my phone to check the price of Bitcoin. My etherium balance was on screen in USD and one of them no shit out of the corner of her eye saw how much I had and said “I made more money on etherium than you did”.

I’m like what?

It took me a second to realize I was being shit tested. No woman has ever pulled the “my bank is bigger than your bank bullshit on me”. But I’m busy thinking “WTF?” #1 I just flew in first class from Seattle like an hour ago #2 I’m rich you little brat fuck you #3 I’m not going to compare shit with a woman. Dick length contests are for dudes.

So after a moment I just said “good for you, I’m proud of you” like she was a little girl. Totally disarmed her.

[–]BullshittingNonsense 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Exactly. This is almost always framed as "this Cretan guy can't handle me being a strong, independent woman." No... you're just being a cunt.

[–]Koryphae_ 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Relax, 80% do not 'reject' anything because they are lucky to get even one...

[–]anothdae 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Eh... men and women get together because men pursue women. That is the way the human dynamic works.

No one is pursuing bitchy women. Even the average joe that is lucky to get laid on a friday night isn't going after these people. He will pursue the much more average female instead.

Male "rejection" is failure to pursue someone in the first place. Female rejection is saying no to attempts at pursuit.

[–]1Entropy-7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I did say "guys who have options" which I suppose eliminates 80% of them.

So we are both correct.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (4 children)

This is true. Visit Washington D.C. It’s a microcosm of this. I should do a post some time explaining what happens to the sexual marketplace in a city of highly educated women with prestige and mostly betas.

[–]Menstrual-Cyclist 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Holy fuckberries, never were truer words spoken. Easy to pick up easy lays, but forget having a relationship. Hypergamy is a bylaw in this city.

[–]brettfromtibet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do the post on DC dating, I'd love to see it

[–]HonestUser 15 points16 points  (13 children)

Going to play devils advocate here.. I dont think they mind lower status men too much... if the lower status man had a chiseled jaw and a great body they would still fuck. Whats your point?

[–]AllahHatesFags 35 points36 points  (6 children)

Well the article says "boyfriend" which I assume means LTR not ONS. I never said they weren't riding the CC.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

A very good looking guy has implied status without the education. Women only care about status.

[–]HonestUser 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Youre right. There are a lot of correlation with looks and status

[–]bgbusiness 1 points1 points [recovered]

Well, the smart, educated women usually tend to at least still have one night stand with a guy who is also smarter and more educated than them, but I do see your point. It's not black and white and of course the Harvard Econ major who works at Goldman Sachs can have one night stand with a gym junkie when she is drunk and shit.

[–]learn-relearn 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If anything, they're the ones who love a good [email protected] because all they've done is study and once that sense of lust is awakened, they realize what they've been missing out on.

Truth is my woman is a thick as sh-t. I don't want an 'educated' woman, just one who isn't a literal dip sh-t would be a good start. Explaining everything gets old quickly.

[–]TermsOfColors 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LOL yeah I was thinking the same thing... however, some guys may be steering clear because they know it will go nowhere and be a pain in the ass to date some of these women.

[–]readytokillfap 66 points67 points  (33 children)

i think the problem is how both genders perceive intelligence.Women prefer broad based but not too deep,they will hop from one subject to another with out going too deep. While men prefer specialization. There is also differences in subjects. Also modern culture being hostile to men most men prefer subjects which are not related to current culture, at least they will not remind men of their hypothetical privileges.

[–]ctrl_alt_el1te 58 points59 points  (5 children)

This is on point. In college and medical school I've come across so many intellectual-seeming girls who clearly have a vast knowledge on many things, but as soon as you try to get a little deeper on any topic with them it's like their brains crash and shut down.

Post comment thought edit: I wonder if this is why women generally seem to make better elementary level teachers and men seem to better fulfill more of a specialized college professor role in education.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 60 points61 points  (3 children)

It's cuz women are rarely true intellectuals. You do get some genuinely intellectual women but they're rarer than truly intellectual men (which are also rare, but less so).

Women will like memorize everything there is to know, that's how their performance instinct runs. Think of a secretary. She enjoys taking her que from what the boss tells her to do, and then doing it very well.

Smart girls in school enjoy learning all the course material as taught by the authority. They generally do this well. Problem is, in terms of challenging established interpretations, thinking outside the box, getting independent in thought and understanding, females are not as genuinely smart. They are "secretary smart", with some few exceptions.

[–]ctrl_alt_el1te 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Hence why when some want to argue with you they can tell you exactly what you said, on some random day two years ago. And how sunny it was on that day.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 28 points29 points  (0 children)

yet cant remember how many men they've slept with by 19

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 14 points15 points  (0 children)

A man has better shit to do then babysit rugrats. Much better use of male labor away from elementary school. Most school shouldnt exist which is a different subject altogether.

[–]umtuk 28 points29 points  (17 children)

Good point. Now it's time for story time boys:

I'm your typical Chad. 6'6, 260 6%bf blue eyes blah, blah, blah. Basically I have my pick of the litter. I've dated nurses, physical therapists, college professors and all types of highly educated women. Every one of these women looked down on me for not having a college education. Every single one. But what they all failed to realize is that a college degree doesn't amount to shit.

A college diploma doesn't show your work ethic, earning potential, drive, intelligence, or anything else that is related to real world matters. All it shows is that all you can do is retain information that may or may not be pertinent to whatever career you may be entering.

Dated a physical therapist for a while who was pissed that I made double what she did with a doctorate level degree. After we quit seeing each other she asked me how I was able to do that without a degree and the answer is simple: luck, skill, and not being afraid to tell someone to fuck off and quit a job, and to take risks.

These women will realize soon enough that degrees don't measure intelligence and that some of the smartest people in the world are doing what they love regardless of what they make.

[–]HonestUser 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Lol @ diploma doesnt show work ehic and other bull crap you mentioned. Not all degrees do but there are plenty that show that. ie: math, engineering, etc.. the hard shit that requires a lot of work

[–]SlothOnRoids 23 points24 points  (9 children)

Okay buddy..I highly doubt you're 6% bodyfat.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 14 points15 points  (8 children)

Yeah, he's 3% you cuck. Jealous?

[–]2awalt_cupcake 9 points10 points  (5 children)

he didn't even mention how big his dick was. fake news.

[–]wanderer779 18 points19 points  (4 children)

You're obviously just jealous. I'm 7'6" 400 lbs with testicles like ostrich eggs. I've slept with all the women, especially your mother, I can tell you that what he says is true.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Can confirm my mother's a whore

[–]tilfes 8 points9 points  (1 child)

To be fair, a college degree does in fact show earning potential.

[–]luckoftheblirish 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And work ethic, depending on the degree

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 190 points191 points  (42 children)

‘I feel I’m hitting a brick wall.’

Well, at least they are admitting it now.

This is the funny part about all of this. No one gives a fuck about your career. It's not a badge of honor; it's a source of income. You may enjoy your what you do, mere seconds after you take your last breath, it ceases to matter to anyone left on Earth. These women burn down their own lives just to get a business card, but fail to understand why it doesn't make them feel ok.

[–]Hugh_Munghous 92 points93 points  (10 children)

Part of it is that since women value a man’s career so much in making a relationship decision (choosing to be with that man) they assume that men think the same way; i.e. that a man values a woman’s career equally while making that type of deciscion.

We, of course, know this isn’t the case, since the determining factor for selecting women is how attractive they are, not what their job is. Some women just don’t understand this since they care so much about a prospective mate’s career that they assume it works the other way around too.

[–]Cryxtalix 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Isn't this the same way betas value the femininity of women, so they assume being feminine and vulnerable can get them somewhere? All those dudes who swear showing vulnerability to a woman is good for the relationship?

[–]Hugh_Munghous 14 points15 points  (3 children)

It’s possible. I’ve always thought the inverse is men valuing physicality so much in women that they assume women value physicality in men in the same way. (This might be why it seems like more men work out than women, or so it seems.) This ignores that women value men for more than looks (they’ll fuck an ugly guy if he has money, for example). Men care most about women’s looks, so they assume this matters the most to women. Women care about a man’s job, so they assume men care about their job too. Both assumptions are at least partially wrong.

(This inverse example I just gave doesn’t work perfectly though, of course, because women often do care about how a man looks, but perhaps not to the degree men care how women look.)

[–]TheReformist94 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You're right, but women value looks more than men. Status and career are BB/RMV attributes. Hence why only 10% fuck 80% of women

[–]Hugh_Munghous 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Looks matter to a certain degree, yes, but they're not everything. If you're a decent looking man but you're incredibly shy and have no social connections it's going to be a lot harder to get laid than if you're an average looking guy who's socially adroit. The period of my life where I got laid the most wasn't when I was the most physically fit (I actually barely exercised during this period), it was when I was in a fraternity because I had an expanded social circle where I was essentially pre-vetted to most of the women I came into contact with. You have to take what I said with a grain of salt though because there are exceptions; ex. the guy who's incredibly good looking but is a couch surfer or whatever.

[–]grewapair 11 points12 points  (0 children)

They all think they're so desirable because of their careers, while wanting a man who will support them as stay at home moms.

[–]ThreeTierTiger 1 points1 points [recovered]

This is exactly it. The career=desirability notion is a total projection of their own value system. I've never met a man who cares about a woman's career one way or the other. They care about a woman's personality, interest and intellect, but not her career. That's a female preoccupation and one that warps her perception of how men perceive her.

It's why half of female online dating profiles begin like a cover letter. This is what they want to know about men, so why wouldn't a man prioritize that over everything else.

[–]evoblade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't give a crap about a woman's income. I would rather date someone that made $35k a year and spent $30k, than someone who makes $150k a year and spends $175k. One is frugal and the other is a materialistic social climber (most likely, I'm just making up hypotheticals). Plus a woman that doesn't make much is more likely to be grateful for gifts.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have to disagree. I think women know men don’t care about their careers. I think it’s more about access to high status men, especially for the average looking (or worse) women. These women know they’re not going to land high status men with their looks, so they work hard to get a good career with the goal of meeting and hopefully marrying a high income beta. There is no better way to access a large pool of high status men than joining the high status club yourself i.e become a lawyer/doctor etc. Once you’re in the club, all you need to do is charm one of the betas into marrying you then you’re set for life.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (2 children)

To be fair a lot of young women have been told by bitter old feminists that getting married young and having a baby is prison and that having a job is freedom. Then they hit mid-30’s and the world starts to come apart and they don’t understand why. Many of the people on this sub would have been in a similar situation were it not for this sub.

Many of us were lied to about feminine social primacy. Lots of lies going around. Feminism is cancer.

I told a 31 year old highly educated plate in DC that the reason the guy she wanted to marry wouldn’t call her back is because he didn’t have to. None of us do. Once a guy hits 35 and is doing well in his career 31 y/o women like her are a dime a dozen. She cried. She knew it was true and she’d been lied too.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 25 points26 points  (1 child)

She knew it was true when she was 20, she just didn't want to face it then because she didn't have to.

[–]PilledWhiteHat 44 points45 points  (6 children)

Unless your the small minority of people doing what they love. Who the fuck wants to work, rather than has to?

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (4 children)

told an interviewer that I work to live, not live to work. Was flatly not given the job because of that comment. Not hurt by that in any way. The priorities of 50-something career people and those of us younger than that are completely out of whack. As for women who live to work, let them. Enjoy the turbulent personal life that accompanies it.

I was once a semi-pro bicycle racer, and a guy who was a few years older that I trained with said it best "career, family, or bike racing. Pick two because you can't have all three."

[–]wracky272 24 points25 points  (3 children)

A lot of truth here. My dad is one of those fifty-somethings and just like a lot of the baby boomers it's live to work, not work to live. Ironically this is why a lot of men end up at TRP-- lack of a strong male presence during childhood because dad was out winning the bread.

Honestly I see a lot of boomers retiring now, and they're totally lost. My dad is still working his ass off and seems terrified of retirement, though he'd never admit it (because of ridiculous levels of stoicism).

[–]learn-relearn 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I hear you buddy, my dad's the same. All he's ever done is work so much that now he's retired, he doesn't know what to do with his ridiculous final salary pension because he forgot to take an interest in life. Add a cancer scare to that and you truly have to ask yourself, was it really f#cking worth it?

[–]PonFarJarJar 1 points1 points [recovered]

Was your childhood worth it? Did you enjoy the life his hard work bought you? That's his answer. If you did not then it wasn't.

[–]learn-relearn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No not really. He worked his ass off because his goal in life was to reach as high a number possible in his bank accounts. It was all about bragging rights for him (classic insecurity), as opposed to providing for his family (which he did, but on a very tight shoestring, thereby further swelling his bank balance). All that time and effort doing something he didnt enjoy made him physically abusive, so I started to lift from circa 15 years of age (now late 30s) which in time resulted in me dominating the situation and the abuse stopped. There wasn't TRP or forums back then, but I instinctively knew that I had to work on being a stronger character as well as being stronger physically and have kept the principles and fitness regime to this day. My older Bro, who never stood up to him and just accepted the situation, is a husk of a man who gets walked over by most pretty much all the time.

Final point; My dad's still convinced money brings status. It doesn't, it gives you options. Money alone does not make the man, although what you do with it might.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 9 points10 points  (0 children)

doing what they love.

You are absolutely right, but that doesn't make it any less ephemeral.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (3 children)

No one gives a fuck about your career. It's not a badge of honor

I agree with you 100%

This can be boiled down to solipsism and the egalitarian equalist mindset. Women are attracted to men with successful careers, that are intelligent..blah blah blah. So naturally they assume that men should be attracted to the same thing. Which, of course, we aren't.

They make the same mistake of equating their value as a person with their value on the sexual market, which is only going to keep declining.

Honestly, this shouldn't surprise any of us.

[–]BENDERisGRREAT 36 points37 points  (2 children)

I mean im attracted to those things in a woman, but its a drop in the bucket compared a nice ass and good blow job

[–]StrongAffordance 14 points15 points  (1 child)

ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL you might pick one with the better career, but odds are things won’t be equal and it’s much more likely you’d pick the one that looks better, is more cooperative, less bitchy, and doesn’t cause as much friction.

[–]thewrightstuff88 16 points17 points  (1 child)

So many of these women get high paying careers for several reasons. For example, a majority of women who go into nursing do so to snag a doctor for a husband. Along with this, women go into high paying careers to support themselves so that they can do things like "wanderlust" or go to every music festival known to man in the search for "new and exciting places" which also includes new and strange dick. Of course, there are the few who honestly want to make their field more female dominated and to level the playing field, however due to this, are finding dissatisfaction in other aspects of their life, like motherhood.

[–]wracky272 21 points22 points  (0 children)

They get a career to prove "I don't need no man."
But spin their wheels when they actually face that reality.

[–]satanicpriest13 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The career part applies to men. It's probably evolutionary psychology, but everyone, women included judges a man based on what he does. Nobody, women again included, gives a fuck about what girls do for a living. You take a nice girl home to your mum, she'll ask you "can she cook and clean? " Nobody cares if your wife has a bunch of doctorates if she isn't cooking you good food when you come home from a long day. Feminism thing education would be empowering, surprise love: men never cared. Also, when was the last time you banged a worldy and told your mates about her thesis in bio chemistry?

[–]1TrenGod37 4 points5 points  (12 children)

Are you saying this because they are looking for a pat on the back or they just aren’t meant to live that kind of life?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 29 points30 points  (11 children)

They have no idea what they are looking for, so instead of following their instincts, which has been a successful strategy for them for tens of thousands of years, they mimic men.

[–]1TrenGod37 3 points4 points  (9 children)

So when a woman does become very successful do you even think she can get that same sense of accomplish a man does?

[–]1RPAlternate42 50 points51 points  (7 children)

Broad strokes answer: she can't.

She understand and knows that success is good and that success brings rewards like more money, affluence, influence, social ability, and standing among peers but she is only looking at the rewards of that accomplishment... not the accomplishment.

The other side of the coin is a guy like Elon Musk. Yes he's very wealthy, carries status, standing, etc, but I would bet my last $1000 that he doesn't give a shit about any of that. His money allows him to do the projects he wants. His standing allows him to garner influence for investors. His status gives him public awareness.

Those things that his success give him are just tools for him to create more success.

Where you might toil in a garage and make some coffee tables and chairs out of wood that may sell for a few hundred here or there... or even more if you are good, Musk's "coffee tables" and "chairs" are Falcon-9 rockets, electric cars, or 750 mph vacuum tube rides.

His hobbies are just bigger, grander, and more successful.

I would guess that the only true thing he worked at for the money aspect was PayPal... he needed that multi-million dollar success to start the ball rolling on all the other stuff. He's a great example of the Parado Principle applied for pretty noble outcomes.

Back to point: do you see the difference?

For most women, and by most I mean the bottom 5 standard deviations of women; for most women the career is a means to an end where the ends are money and things. For men, the career is the end and the rewards are the means to create greater ends.

Women want the rewards of success. Men just want to be more successful.

I'll compound this with a personal anecdote:

My wife is always saying how she wants to win the lottery so she can basically retire in her 30's so we can travel and "do stuff."

All I think about when I win the lottery is: remove all debt, buy land in the mountains, invest in successful and interesting ventures, buy and manage housing for rent, and turn my hobbies up. When I think about winning the lottery, I think about creating a legacy for my children and leaving a mark on at least part of the world.

[–]crimsonkodiak 2 points3 points  (4 children)

The other side of the coin is a guy like Elon Musk. Yes he's very wealthy, carries status, standing, etc, but I would bet my last $1000 that he doesn't give a shit about any of that. His money allows him to do the projects he wants. His standing allows him to garner influence for investors. His status gives him public awareness.

I don't know Elon Musk, but I know a handful (a very small handful) of guys like him. I don't know them well, but I know them well enough to know that they absolutely care about status. For them, wealth isn't even about wealth anymore, it's about measuring how big your cock is as compared with your rich buddies.

As just one example, one of my coworkers got a personal call from the secretary of an extremely rich individual (multi-billionaire, whose name you would absolutely know), trying to confirm said individual's allocation in a very hot IPO. People who don't care about wealth don't do that.

[–]TheIceReaver 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Well, why compare them to Musk then? Is you're point that even amongst men it's rare to find someone focused on what matters in life?

Because yeah, forsure. We have a big problem in our society and it's not at all just a problem unique to women or betas.

[–]1RPAlternate42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the cock measuring is part of the game, regardless of who you are.

I still think Musk cares about status insofar as it nets him the ability to keep playing the game the way he wants too. Guys like Ellison like status so they can say "look at me next to the sailboat I didn't operate" or "look at me at Jackson Hole Wyoming next to my plane." Musk likes status so he can say: "look at fucking rockets in space" and "look at getting to LA in 30 minutes"

[–]1TrenGod37 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Makes sense thanks for the write up

[–]TheIceReaver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree with all of this and it's an interesting topic because it will have to be brought to the forefront of public discussion one day. And luckily I think it's nurture over nature. With the right upbringing and experiences you can act without attachment to the fruit of your actions regardless of gender. It's just rare for people to live think and perceive properly at all in the West these days with all our crutches and distractions.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Nope. She will be missing a vital part of the human experience for women. Dedication to career necessarily means some degree of neglect to family. This hits women particularly hard as they age.

[–][deleted] 97 points98 points  (0 children)

If you put women above men, women will refuse to mate with men.

This needs to be internalized by everyone here.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Better educated women are much, much, much more difficult to handle and to deal with on a daily basis. They use their verbal skills and education not to change the world around them for the better or to manipulate the environment to improve their living conditions. They use their verbal skills and education to CONTROL MEN!!

An educated (PhD, Lawyer type) will not submit. Everything you try to do WILL be challenged. Every place you want to go will be discussed and negotiated. Eventually, even when and where you take a shit will be part of the ongoing, never ending negotiation. After that, the man will inevitably begin to reduce the arguments. He will reduce his communications to a minimum.

More often than not he will simply find it easier to eventually just give in without an argument on everything that she wants. So the dynamic that quickly develops with a "smart" woman is this:


[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (0 children)

" No " is a succinct reply

So is " yes you can do that. Without me "

[–]Short-changedChad 6 points7 points  (1 child)

My last LTR was with an intelligent woman who is a prosecutor, so I can attest that everything you have written here is spot on- both her behaviour and mine. I found TRP after the relationship failed in this manner.

Following that, doesn't that mean that some of the womens' quotes from the original article are actually fair? A miniscule sliver of men have red pill traits (learned or inherent). So when these women self identify as intelligent any man who can't stand up to their shit is going to be perceived as intellectually weaker, whether they are an astrophysicist or not.

This is just another shit test, and nothing a quick evisceration on a chess board wouldn't solve to quiet their lamentations.

[–]bingobongo7000 142 points143 points  (13 children)

Plenty of "smart" women have only a Mickey Mouse degree.

Not much to brag about.

[–]MrSnarf26 78 points79 points  (11 children)

Most degrees that have nothing to do with hard science or stem (not social science) are little more than can you play the game, memorize major points of a few books, and agree with all these "smart people". Congrats for 60k here's your degree! Now your better and smarter than blue collar men or women making twice as much as you with no debt.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

They mentioned doctors and lawyers. These are fields that held/hold prestige.

[–]Fur_hat_linux 1 points1 points [recovered]

Dude. I'm currently in medical school. Medical school really suits women's strengths. Just memorize a bunch of facts from the professors slides, memorize some more, memorize how to write notes and do clinical exams with a high pitched fake sympathetic voice. Done. It requires little innovative thought to get through medical school. There's also a reason why most bitches do internal/family medicine - cuz those are the 'easier' specializations.

Give me a monkey with a good memory and a good system to memorize lots of facts in a short period and I can get the monkey through medical school and it will be semi-competent too.

[–]Dilfy 1 points1 points [recovered]

The last girl I dated was working on her Masters in something like Business Leadership. Basically a $20,000/yr degree where she read articles, wrote 'essays', and received As on most assignments. I'm not sure how far this will take her in the future, but I make more money with my STEM degree and a few certifications (that were fairly cheap to obtain) and am not in any debt. But, I've always felt there was a sense of arrogance and entitlement because she was going to 'Have a Masters'. I'm all for education, but feel there's a difference between learning a definable skill, and obtaining a piece of paper. Aside: She did NOT posses most of the traits of a good leader.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 11 points12 points  (1 child)

In my college days, I was in with a few roving packs of guys that would set up some complicated experiments just to see if we could get it to work. No credit in class or anything, just the desire to create. Most women treat school just like they treat a job. Show up, ride out the clock, leave.

So men don't want to go to college anymore because it's been made boring, and downright hostile to actual learning versus just spitting up the 'correct' facts.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Guys do these 'pointless' degrees also, just to do them. Because this is what life is, doing shit.

Lets not forget the focus here. The issue is claiming superiority because they have a degree. If it wasn't that it'd be something else. This is just women being women and here we are taking what they said seriously for a second.

[–]Disciple_of_Libertas 34 points35 points  (8 children)

Other, more traditional cultures, will probably replace such a strange culture, where women refuse to mate because the available men are below them, leading to negative birth rates and the disappearance of that culture.

Well, White European Culture had a good run. A place in the sun intermittently since the days of Ancient Greece. The next Century will be an African, Asian, and Arab-Islamic century. How the histories will recount the strange death of Europe and the Anglosphere will be interesting.

[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Andddddd this is what is going to cause Europeans to finish the job next time.

[–]1Entropy-7 80 points81 points  (17 children)

Personally, I DNGAF. I have dated my share of overeducated women and frankly, they are more trouble than they are worth.

I have 7 years of university have thought about going back for my PhD. So who is my girlfriend? A farm girl with a 2-year associate degree.

While it would be nice to double my household income the fact is that I can take care of things myself and whatever my girl earns is a bonus. Several years ago I vowed to never again date a lawyer, doctor, teacher or journalist. They think they know it all.

I am not suggesting that guys should go for bimbos - I like intelligent girls and my farm girl is really clever - however, the high SES girls from these particular disciplines are too demanding and controlling.

Business types are a mixed batch. By day, their job is to tell guys what to do. By night it is at least a coin toss for them to want to get on all fours and be taken like a dog. However, when the sun rises do not be surprised if they are on your ass or out the door.

they couldn’t find a suitable man.

Like 6', 10% BF with $100k per year.

The more I read this shit the more I thank my lucky stars that I live in Asia.

[–]youlovethisish 20 points21 points  (16 children)

The more I read this shit the more I thank my lucky stars that I live in Asia.

Legit worth moving there for this alone. QOL goes up so much when hypergamy isn't the dominating driver of society.

[–]1Entropy-7 20 points21 points  (15 children)

I didn't move here for the pussy. I had a job offer and I took it. I did not have a particularly bad time of it in Toronto (allegedly the worst city in North America for dating) but once I got here, it was a whole new world.

Chinese girls are not hypergamous (in the TRP sense) in that they pick a guy in their teens and then stick with him. Girls from Shanghai, Hong Kong and Beijing are ones to look out for, however.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (8 children)

Rich Chinese women are the worst.

[–]biggerbetterjobs 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Came here to say this. I go to a prestigious private university where more than half of our school is international students from China, S. Korea, Phillipines, Singapore, India etc.. They all act like they're royalty (which they are) and look at average working/middle class people like they're subhuman barbarians. Also, lots of them do wayyyyy too much cocaine.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It sickens me how these daughters and sons of China's wealthiest executives, real estate tycoons, politicians etc all do a shit ton of drugs and talk about how American culture is making Chinese people degenerate.

[–]biggerbetterjobs 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Probably cause their parents were too busy making money to raise their own children the right way. Ironically and sadly, the parents probably took to that mindset to give their kids a good future.

[–]Future_Alpha 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Also, lots of them do wayyyyy too much cocaine.

Now that is surprising, if true.

[–]biggerbetterjobs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it's the kids of the growing Chinese middle class in city economies.

[–]youlovethisish 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I didn't move here for the pussy

Good - not quite what I was saying. Western society has been royally fucked by chasing hypergamic woes - it extends beyond pussy. Divorce laws, suicide rates, and custody battles are good examples of where it hits us the worst. Awesome that you had the opportunity to move out there!

[–]1Entropy-7 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'm getting old and getting married to a Filapina. There are only two jurisdictions in the world that have no divorce laws: Vatican City , and the Philippines.

[–]1Entropy-7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've read some of the sociological data for China but it is skewed by having 800 million peasant farmers in the western reaches of the country. The national divorce rate is something like 4% but Shanghai is about 35%. It is one of the few countries where the female suicide rate is higher than the male suicide rate, but again that is largely farmgirls offing themselves by drinking insecticide.

For me, the odd thing is that I am now hooked up with a Filipina: two strangers in a strange land. There are only two jurisdictions in the world that have no divorce laws: Vatican City and the Philippines.

[–]Blesss 1 points1 points [recovered]

Toronto (allegedly the worst city in North America for dating)

could you elaborate as to why?

[–]HardworkITrust 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Another reason is how long they spend on the college CC that ruins their ability to form relationships. They expect every guy they date to be like the Chads they fuck on the CD but also with education that surpasses theirs. This is highly unlikely but that's what they long for.

[–]FirstNamesMusic 22 points23 points  (1 child)

The vast majority of "smart" women I have been around are actually dumb as bricks when it comes to anything that you can't memorize off of a textbook page.

[–]Menstrual-Cyclist 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’ve found the biggest downside to be a shocking lack of curiosity. Not a one of them wants to learn anything new or shows the slightest interest in what I do or my hobbies. Even learning how to do practical things like how to change their oil, diagnose a busted computer, or even cook a proper steak. It’s like once their education is over, a switch gets thrown and they stop caring about anything but keeping up with the neighbors.

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (7 children)

Men reject college-educated women because the bitches won't shut up about it.

If the first thing I hear out of a woman's mouth is that she has a degree, I instantly know that she is looking for validation and will spend all her time yammering about it.

One funny thing you'll see where I am (high-end tourist area) is restaurant server sluts who start "nursing school" (basically the restaurant servers of hospitals) and won't shut up about how many eukaryote she got all up in her mitochondria like we're on some kind of bedpan-emptying Jeopardy.

Nobody wants to hear that shit.

[–]biggerbetterjobs 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Eh, I like women with a college education.. The ones who are super uptight about it are irritating though. Before I started college, I was dating a really cool down to earth girl studying journalism. She was a bit of an SJW but still lived by what I perceived as preferring the normal male<->female relationship dynamic since our relationship was honestly the most healthy one I've experienced in my life. I decided to break up with her though because I was going through some personal shit and didn't feel I was in a place to be a good match for her and had to work on myself.. But stupidly I wound up dating another girl after her who was manipulative as hell.

Most of the uneducated women I've met are the 100% habitual offenders of unapologetic hypergamy. The ones I've experienced have been cheaters, gas lighters, slobbish, under-developed socially (slobbish, usually don't read, don't pay attention to current events, and their cultural tastes peak at Game of Thrones).

It's all a role of the dice though.

[–]FruityLexiaKing 1 points1 points [recovered]

Nursing school is respectable and falls under the STEM umbrella. It is also useful for society. Not sure why you are having a jab at it.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 40 points41 points  (7 children)

I have never been intimidated by a female. That's laughable. It's always been the other way around. Some are intimidated before I even speak to them, telling me afterwards. Cowards calling us insecure. Pssshhhhh. This is how the weak try to win, reframing the situation as the stronger guys' fault to psyche you out and wuestion yourself. Controlling the mind, and the body follows.

Some women require more intellectual stimulation, but even they have their limits. Intellectual topics have never gotten me laid, it's only ruined things for me. Sex is animal, hindbrain. These same 'smart' women fuck low lives and dumb chads too. Look at a girl's notch history and you'd be shocked how low their actual dick-in-pussy standards are. If anything, most women fuck and date men less facially attractive than them. They like to be the pretty ones.

[–]_MysticFox 1 points1 points [recovered]

Whenever a chick is intimidated I don't know what to do. What do you do?

[–]Menstrual-Cyclist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Look her in the eye, lean in close and say, “So, we gonna get out of here and fuck?” seems like a good way to go about it. Intimidation means she’s in your frame, not the other way around.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That will likely scare the cat.

[–]DonkeyPunch19 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If anything, most women fuck and date men less facially attractive than them. They like to be the pretty ones.

Lmao. Could not be further from the truth

[–]Reefer-eyed_Beans 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The hell does any of that have to do with anything though? This post has nothing to do with women's sex lives.

[–]Five_Decades 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Tl;Dr - there are 50 high SES women all chasing the same 20 high SES men, who can do better than them and have no incentive to commit.

As far as op, dysgenics is already happening. Lower iq and less educated people have more kids than smarter, more educated people.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I just want to say that the situation in China is completely different from what's going in the U.K.

The 'leftover women' in China are women who have already hit the wall, which is the point of this whole article, sure. But it fails to mention how women in China actually have higher SMVs as a result of the one-child policy making it so that men greatly outnumber women. China's marriage market is very competitive and mothers will literally auction off their daughters as though they're returning to the way marriage was originally used - for status and resources.

I'm not sure how this affects casual sex, but by the Chinese standard, you're considered to be a 'leftover' around the age of 27. They interviewed 2 girls in their early 20's who still haven't hit the wall and one woman in her 40's that has definitely already hit it and they all sound the same.

It upsets me a little bit because I myself am a college student AND IT DOESN'T MEAN JACK SHIT. I am not automatically smart because I have a degree or am in the process of getting one. The degree symbolizes an education, not intellect, but now they're just pretentious elitist bitches that feel superior to everyone because their families had the money to put them through college and the barista at their favorite Starbucks whose name they don't even know wasn't as fortunate.

These same girls that develop this superiority complex are the ones that will fall for some Chad that puts them in their place for the first time in their lives by treating them like shit and they're gonna be one of his plates for a few months. Let this be a lesson to all of you people; don't treat women like they're special snowflakes or our society is fucked.

[–]Wilreadit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Never treat any woman as special. Not because of anything else but the fact that women aren't special. They are just predictable, run of the mill creatures.

[–]0signal0 14 points15 points  (0 children)

‘I feel I’m hitting a brick wall.’

She's indeed about to hit another kind of wall...

Women thinking that a degree makes them more attractive is yet another example of female logic. These women more than likely know enough men who'd make good husband material, but those guys are unlikely to have the whole 666 package.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 13 points14 points  (2 children)

A recent study found more than 90 per cent of predominantly graduate women surveyed were delaying motherhood not to pursue careers, but because they couldn’t find a suitable man.

Yes... and to be painfully clear, this is the fault of women not men. It's women who demand "more educated than me" and reduce their dating pool accordingly.

Men couldn't give a fuck if a woman has a degree or not, so long as it's not in Womens Studies and she spends the date talking about Female Oppression rather than flirting and being feminine.

Women always use "I'm too good" as an excuse for both: not being attractive, and for being hypergamous. Everything women say is designed to flatter themselves. Truth is an inconvenience to be worked around.

What happens when most men are below women? Women refuse to mate. This will hit marriages, relationships, and the birth rate.

This isn't in the future. This is happening now. The birthrate in the West is so low that immigration is necessary to prevent the economic collapse that would be caused by a falling population count.

culture dying due to negative birth rate.

I'm fairly sure the birth rate will stay non-negative ;)

[–]trpatty 12 points13 points  (3 children)

The effects of this carry over into the workplace, where women aged from 22 to 29 typically now earn £1,111 more a year than their male peers.

Wait a minute. I thought the narrative was that women only earned around 78 cents for every dollar a man earned. Which is it?

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

That stat doesn't support the story so it doesn't exist right now. It'll be back tomorrow

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It has been known for a while that women aged 22 - 29 outperform men economically.

[–]THEDICKDEALER 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Enjoy the decline because I wholeheartedly am.

[–]grewapair 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The high paid ones usually end up with high spending habits. They'll quit the high paying job to have kids while maintaining the spending habits. No thanks.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I have observed two kinds of highly educated women. The first is a pleasant person who happens to have a strong career too. The second is a bitch who thinks herself better because degree. The former is almost always in a fairly happy, committed relationship. The latter is usually a spinster.

[–]grewapair 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I had a relative die and went to the funeral. A girl I last saw as a ten year old showed up as a 40 year old.

As a ten year old, she was the most obnoxious, self centered little girl on the planet, spoiled little rich girl. Arrogant and aggressive , even towards adults, at age ten.

At age 40, she looked like the typical bitter spinster. She turned out exactly the way we'd all want her to. Lonely, bitter and alone.

[–]sorceryofthetesticle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"I'm too smart for ____." = "I'm too stupid to realize that smarts aren't the problem."

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Natasha brought up the Labour leader’s policies, any spark of attraction was extinguished.

HER spark, why don't the author asks the man in question about his attraction to the woman? Nothing to do with education, but nice hamstering.

After 90 minutes discussing what she describes as ‘benign’ subjects, such as reality TV and football, Natasha made her excuses and left

IOW the lad in question had either zero game (didn't attract her) or zero interest in the girl (google her pictures, she's a 7 on professional, posed and retouched pictures, which mean she's a 6 at best in real life). Nothing to do with education, but nice hamstering.

‘Men may claim to want educated women, but don’t know how to deal with those they meet and some say they’re intimidated by me

Men are not intimidated by her education. Men are intimidated by her being experienced in playing the game and not putting out for wimps with no game. Nothing to do with education, but nice hamstering.

One cancelled our date four times because he was too busy getting drunk. In class, their conversations centre around going to gigs and smoking weed at weekends, which is not what I’m looking for in a date.’

Trickle truth. I don't want a partyboy, I want someone "responsible". AKA I'm looking for BB. Nothing to do with education, but nice hamstering.

She prefers instead to date older men she meets through her part-time job as a nightclub promoter.

There we go. I'm a party girl, and I'm looking for BB. Nothing to do with education, but nice hamstering. BTW: contrast "muh higher education" with her actual job.

Since the breakdown of her most recent relationship, with a DJ ten years her senior

Et voila - she's an alpha widow, looking for BB while partying in the night. Nothing to do with education, but nice hamstering.

but I can’t seem to meet a man I find intellectually stimulating,’ she says.

By that she means "men don't want to commit to partygirl that is looking for BB". Nothing to do with education, but nice hamstering.

‘Afterwards I’ll text to say our conversations weren’t flowing in the right direction.

You mean in the direction of him paying for your stuff, while you party at night. Nothing to do with education, but nice hamstering.

At school I wasn’t bothered about boys, but I’m at the stage where I’d like to share my life with someone.’

Says a photoshopped 5 (different from the first one) that is looking for BB. Ugly girl demanding her prince charming.

Becca recalls a factory worker she asked out in a bar while home for the holidays turning her down because she was ‘too clever’ for him.

Look at her picture (blue dress), then tell me that really happened.

This article has NOTHING to do with "men being afraid of educated women" and everything to do with college educated women nearing the Wall and complain men don't want to commit to them. This is CLASSIC AF/BB.

I'm also pretty sure that this article is combination of hamstering by women, BP/feminist explanation by author and total fabrication (Daily Mail).


BTW the author of the article has the answer to the "marriage dilemma":

the result, many believe, of the feminisation of the education system, with more female teachers, less physical exercise and an emphasis on the arts — is having troubling repercussions when it comes to relationships.

A recent study found more than 90 per cent of predominantly graduate women surveyed were delaying motherhood not to pursue careers, but because they couldn’t find a suitable man.

Make men go through "feminised education system" making them less masculine, then complain "where are all the real men"?


If you put women above men, women will refuse to mate with men,

If you think that women have a problem with putting out for men b/c of education you have no field experience. Go to any nightclub and try to attract ANY girl with your university degree. This is a pussy drier.

The problem lies not in hypergamy and women being better educated than men (b/c that doesn't happen on significant level). The problem lies in men not being attractive and/or having no game.

more traditional cultures, will probably replace such a strange culture if you put women above men

You mean the uneducated goatfuckers from Middle East that definitely put themselves above their women are a good example of that "traditional culture"?


TL/DR: both OP and the article have little do to with identifying why women can't find man to marry.

[–]innadi786 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This needs to be higher up

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Go to any nightclub and try to attract ANY girl with your university degree.

Young girls on the cock carousel want to fuck the physically attractive unemployed players at a bar or nightclub sure, but they don't want to marry them.

They want to marry the physically attractive highly educated millionaire businessmen, doctors, lawyers, celebrities. Once in their 30s their standards will start to drop to maybe average looking highly educated upper middle class men, while they either cheat on these guys with studs or try to rope them into somekind of open relationship cuckolding arrangements.

But nice hamstering.

[–]Mr_Talent 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What a bunch of bullshit! I would like to know where all those women are, because most of the girls I date have average to low IQ. I have only dated 1 who really was more intelligent than myself. Probably not a coincidence it was my longest LTR.

I like intelligent women. I have such a hard time maintaining a conversation with dumb chicks. Also they are fucking boring. Plus they tell these stupid stories that anyone with a pea for a brain can't tell are nothing but made up or exaggerated shit, to which I have to pretend to believe.

Last weekend I met this hot chick. Amateur porn star, webcam model. 5min into talking with her and I was bored to death. Then she would say stupid thing after stupid thing, to the point where I was pretending interest and over exaggerating my reactions... the things I do to receive a well done deepthroat bj...

Anyway, please do send those super intelligent girls my way, as long as they aren't fat and ugly as fuck!

[–]1kick6 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The most arrogant part of this whole thing for me is the credentials: the equation of intelligence with education.

Some of the smartest people I know don't have an associates degree, and some of the dumbest, must useless sacks of shit I have the displeasure of dealing with have masters and Phds in...well I'm sure y'all can figure out which advanced degrees have value and which don't.

Funnier still: it's never the STEM masters holder that has to lean on his paperwork so you know he's smart...

[–]goldaxis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Laughable. I have met one female that I would consider to be on par with an intelligent male. Interestingly, she is not STEM. Rather, I see lots of girls with some kind of chip on the shoulder rambling on about some degree they've earned or some job someone has managed to train them to perform. Not a single one of them ever accounts for the problem solving, critical thinking, and self-control that is indicative of true intelligence, qualities that even "smart" women lack.

[–]francisco_DANKonia 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's not that there is a shortage of educated men. There just aren't many educated men who take the time to lift as well

Additionally, educated women are also not likely to be in top shape either.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm firmly in the upper quintile of intelligence, but chose a career path in the trades, and am unabashedly blue-collar. I've started many conversations and dating relationships with educated women who found my knowledge, wit, and banter on par with their dating expectations, but who visibly deflated and rejected me when they find out what I do for a living.

I've dated 2 PhD level educated women for a longer time.

  • A doctor who said my conversation was at least as good as her colleagues and my company was actually better. She was a kidney specialist, and delighted by how I was able to make several references to obscure anatomical details therein. She turned stone cold when she saw my postwar-era house, despite her own situation living in a crackerbox condo with her adult son. Years later, I still see her returning to the same dating site.
  • A college professor who was initially grateful to find a boyfriend who could challenge her on intellectual conversations and games, but copped a BITCH attitude one too many times and was a hot mess emotionally. It was as though she was looking for ways to categorize me as somehow less-than her.

I've known and read of some highly educated women who married a man of average education and station who made it work by appreciating his overall character, rather than the letters after his name. I've known and read of a great deal more who have a long string of failed relationships with men who meet their lofty qualifications, probably because such men had the sense to give them the heave-ho when they tried to ramp up the shit testing to stratospheric levels.

I used to try to target intelligent women, but have found much happier relationships with women whose Fathers were the type of men who could fix things.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Game has never been about level of education. It can help but it isn't vital. That part about a guy rejecting her for being "clever" is bs. The "clever" girls are more pain than they're worth more often than not.

I'm sure many men here have gone out with highly educated women numerous times and it not been an issue at all. I went out last night with a girl that just got back from some sort of female empowerment conference with high ranking women in her field. I was teasing her about it and she flat out said all that "empowerment doesn't apply when it comes to you." A very smart girl indeed.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don't mistake bragging with selling ones self snake oil.

[–]mtskin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

the dumbing down of society has been going on for a while so i don’t think the higher rates of educated women are causing this. i’d say its more the fact that semi intelligent women know to use birth control whereas the idiots that don’t are creating a population of more stupid humans.

[–]redlurker9 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I wish people would stop mixing up being educated and being intelligent. One does not necessarily imply the other.

[–]1kick6 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've never met a man intimidated by a smart woman. This is just a hamsterization: these women suck (not literally or they'd have less problems getting dates) and it's a convenient cop-out.

[–]dankvibez 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Most likely the feedback loop worked like this:

  1. Women gets into relationship with male she is initially attracted to
  2. This guy has less education than her
  3. Woman is worried about this, worried about how valuable this guy is, so she CONSTANTLY shit tests him
  4. Guy starts thinking "wtf this is crazy, whats going on, I gotta get out of here" OR He fails all the shit tests and she leaves
  5. Cycle repeats for next guy

She will constantly have this problem because women are only physically attracted to 30% of guys tops. So if you are in the top 10% of education, and a woman, you will only be attracted to like 3% of guys or less.

Any guy would be happy to live off of a more educated woman and fuck her brains out everyday. The only reason a guy doesn't want to do that is because they know that the woman in that situation will most likely cheat on them because they aren't providing anything.

[–]1mental_models 2 points3 points  (0 children)

have to hold your frame

the second you start catering to her elitist ego, or becoming dependent on her financial resources, you lose the only value that you have left in these situations (your manhood)

[–]yapel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"in the next ten to 20 years women will be smarter than men, in terms of how well they’re educated. And I don’t think men are ready for this."

Love how at the end this is all mens fault. On a positive side of things, perhaps that 10% who do mate is able to supress their hypergamy, making a less shitty future for everybody.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So basically the Handmaid’s Tale which is both foreshadowing and a feminists dystopian wet dream at the same time.

If you haven’t seen the Handmaids Tale it’s a multilayered lesson in the outcome of third wave feminism but since the protagonist is a tortured woman I think all the lessons are lost on the feminists that praised it.

[–]Genetal_Giant 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If these women can't find men with similar education levels I doubt they did STEM degrees. I cant blame a factory worker who doesn't want to get tied down with someone who went into debt for a master's in fingerpainting.

[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Upvoted for "master's in fingerpainting."

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First thing: having a degree doesn't mean you're smart, it means you didn't quit, followed along, and we're sober enough to pass. Big deal, unless your degree requires intellect. No, law degrees do not require great intellect, neither does business. The quality of education today is dubious at best.

Second thing: we're not intimidated by intelligent girls, but is a distinct turn off when a bitch is condescending or acts masculine. Go ahead slut, assume you're my intellectual superior, by the end of our interaction you'll see yourself as a chimp who learned sign language last week.

What we have is the 2000s version of school marms, single librarians, and cat ladies in training. Expecting a man with a degree and high value to want you and your attitude is the fast track to growing old with cats. The bat thing these girls could do is invest in cat food companies, get a rebate check every month for buying the stuff.

[–]5t3fan0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"if you are a lot smarter than me, you might as well be stupid"

[–]Fapisluv 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Having high iq as a woman must be kind of a torture...they want smarter men than them,while also being chadlike in any other way.Good luck

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's worse than this even. I work for the UC system in California (23 higher ed schools). Last time I was paying attention 63% of the undergrad class and 68% of the grad classes were female. So roughly 2/3rds of college classes. How fucked are they? Because they don't date down. Not in terms or economics and not in terms of education.

So we are left with the 2nd purpose of 3rd wave feminism. First is to basically make it legally punishable to have a penis. Second is to increase the lesbian dating pool.

[–]WISE_TURD 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In other news, 1 out of 3 educated women is bangable.

[–]supersonic-turtle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Damn I am red pill af but I would still love an educated woman, their intelligence or income do not intimidate me. I am a man, I have male qualities they desire, if she's smart and rich then extra fuck yeah from me.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

women graduate with the expectation of being challenged by conversation in a romantic context as well as in their careers.

Women ALREADY challenge men CONSTANTLY. Now they think that learning how to be even more difficult and more challenging is somehow a good thing?

Again this is projection. Women WANT men to tell them to shut the fuck up. They WANT men to dominate and take charge of the conversation. So they tell men to shut the fuck up and dominate the conversation. Then they get "bored" and claim it is because she is just to "smart."

No bitch. You are to much fucking trouble.

Men want a COOPERATIVE and PLEASANT woman. Women, by all available evidence want a man who will "challenge them" by standing up to their bullshit and telling them to knock it off.

So naturally to attract men, these "smart" women aggressively and belligerently talk about "Traditional Discrimination Against Women" and "African Oppression in conforming to the White Beauty Myth." They also CONSTANTLY interrupt, contradict, countermand, discuss, reverse, undo, quash, overturn, overrule, and invalidate ANYTHING a man says.

I really mean ANYTHING. They will pick a fight over what type of fruit has the most sugar until you say "sure, strawberries have the most sugar" because you don't fucking care. You just want her to stop contradicting every god damn thing you say. Then when you contradict her she throws out the woman card and starts the Shhhhhh-ing. I swear Alice, one of these days.

[–]slappysq 2 points3 points  (0 children)

women aged from 22 to 29 typically now earn £1,111 more a year

22-29 is prime female SMV. No coincidence.

[–]Soulofbuddha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

its very important to point out (even though im sure many here have said it already) that men are smarter/more intelligent than women. The only reason more women get "degrees" and graduate and get more job spots than men today is because of school bias, affirmative action which prioritizes women in education and work.

its hilarious how many of these delusional women actually think they are on our level or even smarter

[–]mcr00sterdota 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Because most educated women are dickheads.

[–]biggerbetterjobs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I find this a bit troubling too. It's a shame that women can't meet men who are educated and thus alpha. It's sad that they struggle to meet someone compatible who makes them feel happy.

However, education is something that doesn't strictly come from institutions of higher learning. Education can come from libraries, applied work, vocational trades, the school of hard knocks etc..

The problem is these educated women simply look down on men who don't pursue the same path (higher education via university) they do. A woman might be well versed on philosophy, mathematics, english, anthropology or whatever.. But a man might be educated in something like installing, maintaining, and troubleshooting heating and cooling systems for major residential facilities.. Or an expert chef.

Something tells me these women might just be uptight and see themselves as "better" than those who aren't on the same track the same way computer science dorks think their major is "the hardest" and think English or Arts majors just sit around whacking off and partying all day (ok maybe they do but lots of them still work really hard and put in the same hours as compsci students).

These women might just need to take a long look in the mirror and realize that there are multiple paths of self development in individuals. And it's good to appreciate every type of mastery from one who manages a small diner with a good reputation to one who got their phD in calculus.

I am a TA in a university math and science department for a few woman professors. Most of them are really uptight and kind of have this cold demeanor and fake forced smile. Sometimes I see them on campus and if I don't make eye contact and wave or say "how are you?" they'll pretend they don't see me or avoid my walking route. (It's not me, I'm friendly with many other professors and students, stop and chat all the time.. Just these professors are particularly cold who I work for). They're nice/pleasant enough to work with and get along with (except when they start bickering and complaining about the most trivial non issues.. which is pretty common in my department with the faculty) but holy shit I would never consider dating them if I was in their age bracket. It's also definitely not the best personality for someone who's going to be a mother.

I'm guessing these women are at least kind of similar since birds of a feather flock together. Gym bros are kinda the same type of person everywhere you go.. Probably the same for grad student/phD level women.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For some odd reason , red haired girls are crazy , have nice thighs and ass ... just my observation

[–]DigitallyDisrupt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yet even more mature men fail to show the requisite enthusiasm for her university projects — which include a radio documentary she recently produced on ‘the pressure that black women are under to adhere to white beauty stereotypes’.

One can imagine how such a topic could be a little alienating to many men, and Natasha herself admits ‘there’s only so much I can talk about my own interests without sounding patronising.’

She says that men often try to change the subject matter back to lads’ nights outs, holidays and sporting hobbies.

‘I’ll always listen to be polite, but superficial, self-indulgent conversation is an immediate red flag,’ she says.

Is she talking about herself??

Solipsism. She thinks guys should listen and be more interested in her retarded feminist radio show (her "interests"), than she should be in their interests, which are actually interesting.

[–]s29 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the pressure that black women are under to adhere to white beauty stereotypes

The topic of her documentary made me LOL.

Maybe they don't want to talk about your radio activity if it's about social justice bullshit like that. The only guys that care about that shit are weird hipster vegans that aren't manly enough for her.

[–]abstractplebbit 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Its already true that high intelligence is antagonistic to reproductive fitness in females - from a biological/mathematical standpoint.

I don't think women will ever unilaterally be on top of men like this because intelligence is a (mostly) recessive X-linked trait. This means that women have to extra lucky to born with what is called a superhaplotype (both X chromosomes code for high intelligence)- and as a result you see very high intelligence males being born at a faster rate.

Moreover, high intelligence is heavily sexually selected for in males (by women), so we have a strong reproductive fitness boost from this.

[–]plainposter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i kind of like to use jesus as a good example of how to exist, so be like jesus, man. all the hoes wanted jesus.

[–]rev_usn08 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Becca is a solid 3, but I'd still hit it. She looks like she loves to be told what to do in bed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And I don’t think men are ready for this.’

This one line in the whole piece is what drives me crazy the most. These are the words of a person who is not aware of woman's nature. Men have already been dealing with this. It is women who are not ready for this. They are not ready to reconcile their achievement with their biological desires and nature. They are not ready to admit to themselves they will only date a man who is 'better' than them until the last possible second where they need to get knocked up or else be a spinster or adoptee mother or do expensive IVF.

The bomb is going to go off. But men won't be get the brunt of the blast, it will be women.

[–]mildly_sexy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Educated" is different from Successful, Accomplished, Experienced, Expert, Professionnal and many others.

IMHO "educated" is lowly. It just means your parents were rich enough to finance 10 years of school. Or you were so unsuccessful in the job market that you had no choice but to go back to school.

Think about it: if I'm hiring an architect to design my new house and 3 candidates have 10 years experience - one spend 10 years in school, one working as a professional architect, and one becoming a specialist in an architecture firm - the 'educated' one won't even get looked at.

Education is for stupid people to feel elite without having to accomplish anything.

[–]bkk123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being "educated" is an euphemism for being turned into a good peasant slave for the most part. Someone that sucked up to SJW establishment.

Lots of men aren't down for it and prefer to go high risk / reward routes while others completely drop out as they don't see themselves getting any poon regardless of education or income based on their life experience up to that point. Then there are also lots of guys that go the route of least resistance, like becoming a truck driver while earning ok money, where they don't have to deal with anti male work environments.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Equating smart with educated.

What a joke.

My master in physics has told me to avoid women who base their value on education and similarly to not make friends with guys who do so.

[–]ktierne3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Modern education is bullshit. I graduated three years ago with a bs in electrical engineering with a 3.9 gpa so you could say that I was quite studious but let me tell you - I never, ever went to class. I mean EVER. I literally showed up for exams, labs, and that is the only time I ever set foot in the classroom. That's because going to lectures are a complete and total waste of time. Just dust off a book on circuitry or calc or semiconductor physics or whatever the fuck else people will pay you to do and sit in the chair and study that shit from sun up to sun down. Nobody can acquire knowledge for you. It's just something that you have to put the time into, which means studying your ass off. You don't need a lecture and PowerPoint to do that. You just need a desk, a book, and the self discipline to actually do the work.

I expect the education gap is probably because men are more profit oriented than women meaning they are more likely to go to trade school than college. In my opinion college isn't a great investment any more. It doesn't really teach you any employable skills and it costs you a boat load of money to graduate with a degree that you could have gotten for a couple grand in self studying textbooks. Why drop 50k on some bullshit gender studies degree when you can make good cash as a plumber or electrician. For a lot of people it's a status thing I guess.

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