A attractive woman's abundance mentality (self.TheRedPill)

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u/ColdIceZero A lot of women have an abundance mentality. If a woman has been attractive her whole life, then she has only known a life where men give her constant attention and are always offering to shower her with gifts and affection. Everywhere she goes, 24/7. It never ends. There are always guys around giving her things.

Attractive women truly worry about finding another man like you worry about taking your next breath, i.e. they aren't worried. And I'm willing to bet that until you read that last sentence, you weren't even paying attention to the fact that you were breathing. Yeah, that's how unconscious it is for an attractive woman to know she's going to find another guy.

So with a never-ending stream of men available to her, why would she ever be motivated to take care of any one guy? It would be like you having a deal with every car manufacturer that you can pick and choose any new car you want, any time, for any reason. And competing dealerships will follow you around when you're already in a car, offering you their car as an alternative.

If this were your life, every day, for as long as you lived, then why would you ever stay with your shitty Honda Accord long term? As soon as your car got a flat tire or overheated or had a busted transmission, you wouldn't be interested in sinking resources into fixing a fucked up car; you'd leave that piece of shit on the side of the road and immediately accept a ride from the endless parade of cars available to you.

By contrast, most men have a scarcity mentality. Neither women nor cars are thrown at us. Most men (who haven't been blessed with amazing genetics and a trust fund) have to work hard and strive for the things they acquire.

And even when they try their best, they still fail. "It's a numbers game" they'll tell you. "Just keep trying, keep improving. You'll get better."

And it's true, you do get better if you work at it. But it doesn't come easy, and almost nothing is handed to you.

So when you finally get your own car (or woman), your instinct is to treat it with respect and care because this is the only car you've got and it took a lot for you to acquire it.

But for men, it's important to develop more of an abundance mentality when it comes to women and not invest too much emotionally into a relationship because each sex is playing a completely different game. She can't appreciate you the way you appreciate her because she didn't fight a perpetual war every day of her life just to earn the privilege to ride with you; you were just the next car to pull up when her last car had a flat tire.


Retarded incels will project their values onto women and then judge her behavior according to incel values. These immature men observe a woman's abundance mentality in action and will become angry because her behavior conflicts with what these faggots want. These underdeveloped men see it as being her fault that relationships fall apart. These simians often fail to look in the mirror and see how their behavior contributed to the downfall of their past relationships.

So if you observe women's abundance mentality and your instinct is to become angry, that anger is your BP incel side whispering in your ear. Stop being a faggot who blames women for their natural abundance mentality and start focusing on becoming a better man yourself.

[–]Nufity 85 points86 points  (13 children)

Wait I read this exact post yesterday. Where was it from?

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 111 points112 points  (12 children)

It was my post from yesterday. The post was removed for some reason. I haven't heard back from the mods explaining why.

[–]slumdog-millionaire 28 points29 points  (9 children)

that's weird, it was a decent post, one thing I commented in your post OP that I think you didn't discuss though was how the more valuable you make yourself as a potential partner, the less that abundance applies to you, because the better you make yourself the more difficult you would be to replace.

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 42 points43 points  (5 children)

I agree with you that by improving yourself and becoming better than other men, there are less available substitutes for her to branch swing over to.

But the counter is that there isn't a single, linear scale to judge who is the better man. There was a post here a couple weeks ago that said something along the lines of

Branch swinging isn't always rational. You could be the strongest, most stoic man in her life; but there's going to come a time when she's at a party and is going to be attracted to the loud, boisterous, fun-loving guy who dances and laughs with everybody. She'll say to herself how boring old Mr. Stoic is and how fun it could be to be with a guy that is the life of the party!

But then that same girl could be dating the super fun-loving party guy and then be introduced to the calm, cool, stoic guy. She'll say to herself how tiring Mr. Party is and how interesting it could be to be with a guy so quiet and mysterious.

The moral is that there is no single standard by which a man can be better than other men. An individual woman's preference and attraction to men swings with her mood and, as studies demonstrate, swings with her monthly cycle.

So while I agree that being a better man limits her options to find a substitute, the next question is "better compared to what?" Because if the criteria for "better" changes, then any guy will immediately find himself at a disadvantage to whatever else he might be randomly compared to.

Also, my original post wasn't meant to be a complete treatise on women's abundance mentality. It was just a conversation I was having with a quasi-friend who still blames his wife for leaving him. He's not factoring in what a piece of shit he's been becoming. I'm willing to bet that if his life wasn't in such a downward trend, she'd probably still be with him.

So the moral of my story is that she didn't need him the way he needed her. She left his broken ass on the side of the road and got a ride from someone better.

[–]slumdog-millionaire 13 points14 points  (0 children)

well said man, you're right branch swinging isn't always logical, that's an important consideration as well

[–]TRP_MushaShugyo 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The moral is that there is no single standard by which a man can be better than other men.

Great point, and one I haven't seen on here. Really hits home and shows that only you can decide what the best version of yourself can be. You are trailblazing your own path! There is no path to follow. Thank you.

[–]Polishrifle 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Pit another way: she's not yours, it's just your turn.

[–]uebermacht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please use archive.is to backup your posts in future! :)

[–]WhorehouseVet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was confused too since I just read your post yesterday and gave you and upvote. Sometimes when a post gets too popular it gets auto locked, I had it happened to one of my posts too.

[–]smirk_addict 49 points50 points  (9 children)

I'll post my same response:

I have seen two very recent examples of this. I was having a conversation with a girl the other day that's seeing one of my best friends(they probably won't last). She's cute. Average looking. She was telling me how she would ghost dudes for anything. Ghosted a guy because she didn't like his preference in drinks, ghosted another guy because he had tickets to a concert but she didn't like the artist he wanted to see. No explanations or anything, just ghosting over that shit. Second girl, cute but a bit overweight. Works in a bookstore. Touchy feely with guys, gets into your personal space..just collecting orbiters like Pokemon. The minute any guy asks out...ghosted.

These are averaging looking women, gentlemen. Stay vigilant, understand it for what it is while alwyas remembering you are the prize.

[–]macaroon18 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Dating relationships can be very superficial, it takes skill to get under the skin to show and see someone as another human being. Ghosting is symptomatic of people failing to make real connections

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The betas will chase. The alpha will shake his head at these hoes.

[–]fromthecrypt8 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What are their age? Just curious

[–]smirk_addict 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Ghost girl is 30 I think. Pokemon catcher is 24. I actually saw her at the bookstore the other day. She's really fat now, but still has orbiters....

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. Orbiters are just pathetic. I know, because I've been there. Thank God I grew a pair in my early 20's.

[–]Peter_B_Long 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The minute any guy asks out...ghosted.

Why do girls do this? Is it strictly for validation? I've been getting ghosted a lot recently. Either as soon as I ask them out or they'll ghost me the day of the date after they agree to meet. I would get disappointed at first but it hardly even phases me now.

[–]smirk_addict 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Sometimes it's like that. And yes, it's usually for validation and attention. I'm only disappointed when I'm particularly witty and direct, text game is on point and they ghost anyway. It's like doing this crazy ass dunk and the refs waiving it off and telling you it doesn't count.

[–]Peter_B_Long 4 points5 points  (1 child)

IMO girls know from the beginning if they're going to ghost you or not. Doesn't matter if you play Chad 100% or if you open up your feelings for her.

Best red pill plan of action if this happens is to just next and move on to the next one. It particularly sucks for me because I've had a few girls ghost me in a row recently which is shaking my abundance mentality frame, but I just have to keep on striving and probably just take this losing streak as a sign to focus a bit more on myself.

[–]smirk_addict 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been where you are. On multiple occasions I've lost as many as three girls in the span of a week. Lining shit up for a weekend and everyone goes silent by Thursday. That stuff makes you strong though man eventually. It's not like we can go backwards. You know too much. You got the best mindset.

[–]LogixSL 47 points48 points  (11 children)

Hi, good read, I just wanted to chime and add a thought. Something I learned a long time ago for maintaining an abundance mentality is the ability to keep your infatuation in check. If all you ever do is put women on pedastals, you develop a real scarce mindset. Keep your infatuation in check kids.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Ie- realize daily that women are silly creatures lost in a world that bolsters their superficial traits and robs them of their core needs.

View women as devoid of the one thing (discipline/boundaries) only you can provide and voila, you're the prize.

Literally put on the smirk, and the subtle head shake of disapproval to indicates silly children at play and they'll perk up like daddy just got home from prison.

[–]Psycholephant 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Realize that make-up artificially makes these women more attractive than they really are and most of them without it would be as interesting as a ham sandwich.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Remembering that and consciously reminding yourself every time you look at a woman in a bar, is fucking gold. God damn face painted monkeys swinging from branch to branch; who would take them seriously?

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WTF is up with the ridiculous eye brows too?! Jeezus!

[–]slumdog-millionaire 2 points3 points  (5 children)

This post seems like an overly angry/profane and unnecessarily long way to say, don't get angry but ok. Keep in mind that the biggest man in the room isn't the one speaking the loudest and cursing the most. In fact, it is usually the more reserved, calm, and collected man.

The original post this is responding to didn't even really have any judgement or anger in it though, the guy u/ColdIceZero was just stating facts and observations about where women are coming from and he was pretty accurate.

So actually I would err on saying this isn't a very good read.

EDIT: To anyone that downvoted this, go on yelling and shouting by all means, it'll make my competition that little bit less.

[–]LogixSL 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What are you even going on about dude? You're probably getting down voted for replying to the wrong post.

[–]slumdog-millionaire 1 points1 points [recovered]

don't worry about it, just do you man and I'll do me

[–]LogixSL 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Try to do you a little better next time haha

[–]slumdog-millionaire 1 points1 points [recovered]

hahahahah you're so funny man, and smart too, you know just about everything don't you, you're POV is the only valid one, I'll try alot harder next time.

[–]LogixSL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

^ Perfect example of scarcity mindset folks. Take note.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 44 points45 points  (3 children)

I used to be a member of one of those "random dinner party" clubs.

Once a week they would send you to a random restaurant in a party of 3 men and 3 women.

One time one of the girls was pretty much a 10...dutch, long blonde hair, blue eyes, great body, golden skin..

For the first 30 minutes or so of the dinner the other girls tried to compete but in the end they gave up, and even they were competing for her attention...I found that very interesting! Everyone was facing miss beautiful, there was minimal interaction between anyone except miss beautiful and the others.

As for abundance mentality....hell yes she had it. A nice girl, but totally oblivious to the way men, other women, and even the servers all deferred to her....it was like water to a fish, she had no idea it was special because she'd been getting it all her life.

It's easy for other women to be jealous of someone like that. However, there is one caveat:

Women like that tend to undergo a traumatic life change some time as they get older, say 40 - 50. When suddenly men, women and everyone in general stop giving her special attention and start treating her like everyone else - or worse, treating another woman specially and ignoring her - they can pretty much go into an existential panic. When your entire life has revolved around "being special" it can a life-changing shock to find you are not.

I remember one woman I know who had been very beautiful her entire life reached her early 50's and pretty much panicked. Separated from her husband and went through a string of young guys..she was dating guys in their 20's when her eldest son was 29. Her 50yo ex husband seemed resigned to the situation...

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (2 children)

That panic in her 50s is the wall. It just happens much later for extremely attractive women.

Also, this type of attention isn't unique to extremely attractive women, but also alpha males who exude good looks and master frame/game. Just another reason why we lift and live our lives around values which naturally bolster frame and game.

[–]fromthecrypt8 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but the attention a female 10 gets, is still on another level.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh I agree completely. Yes it happens to men too.

[–]cu-be 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This is the most accurate post I have ever seen in the subject of attractive women. When you don't awe their presence (like every other guy), attractive females feel like they're mediocre for once. The chase begins, and they fiend your liking/approval - I've seen it many times first hand. Realizing abundance and playing it to your advantage is the absolute best option in this case.

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Thanks for posting this /u/400820meh. I appreciate you giving recognition; but as I'm basically an anonymous user, I'm just glad the message is being spread.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries. It's just a really good post that needs more awareness.

[–]MelodyMyst 12 points13 points  (2 children)

My question would be: why is that brand new car so fucked up so quickly?

The answer is that the woman driving it didn’t know how it worked, had no idea how to take care of it to make it last, and then subsequently had to find a new one to fill the void.

You can: be the new car she destroys or you can be the car she rides in... as a passenger.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nah the brand new car is so fucked up so quickly because it came easy and so will another one.

A lot of my customers have a lot of disposable income that they love to throw at their track toys and other performance cars. Hell I'm fairly certain a group of them try to fuck up their shit as much and as weirdly as possible just to see if we can fix it and make it better.

When the entry cost is basically zero and getting a new one is as easy if not easier there is no reason to keep something nice in most peoples eyes. Just abuse the shit out of it till it can't take it anymore and then get a new one or completely rebuild the old one with better/stronger parts.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (6 children)

You don't seem to understand how women work. An attractive woman, any woman in fact, wants to feel vulnerable in front of a man, and even though she has a ton of other guys available to her, she will try her hardest to find a quality man and will find motivation to take care of her man. I've seen a lot of beautiful women who are just simply torn apart when men in their lives leave them.

So when you finally get your own car (or woman), your instinct is to treat it with respect and care because this is the only car you've got and it took a lot for you to acquire it.

This is exactly the sort of mentality that screams desperation and scarecity. Listen, you don't need to impress her, you don't have to do anything except getting her emotionally invested and to control the frame from thereon. You have value when you are showcasing masculine energy she can be vulnerable to. That's it. Women do have men around them, but same as us, they want quality. It's no use to have abundance in the form of fat, unattractive women. You would still want the supermodel. Same with women.

[–]LogixSL 35 points36 points  (0 children)

This is exactly the sort of mentality that screams desperation and scarecity.

That's the exact point he is making in his post. Don't be THAT guy.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

You're referring to K-selected women, primarily. Society is riddled with R-selected hoes who have no capacity to search for a quality man. They're simply in it for quantity over quality.

Third wave feminism has moved the median line, which used to be heavily K-selected far into R-selected territory. Women who would have grown up being taught to search for the quality (K-selected alpha) have been brainwashed by society to chase flashy, defective R-selected alphas.

[–]walt4537 4 points5 points  (2 children)

What is this r and k language. I have never heard it before.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Google r and K selection. Basically, r species reproduce through quantity (rabbits) while K selected reproduce by selecting the ideal mates. You can see how humans have shifted from heavily K selected to more r selected over the last 70 years with the inception of femenism.

[–]slumdog-millionaire 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I commented something similar on the original post yesterday. Yes women have options, but what many people seem to overlook is that a high quality woman does not have limitless options for a HIGH VALUE man, this is what we think of as "alpha widows". I've seen alot of guys here underestimate how a woman will be torn when she loses a quality man. And the key word in that statement is QUALITY.

[–]Frenchy100 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If the top 60% of women can get laid when they want, and mostly the top 15% of men are attractive enough for those women, then those men get 4 times the sex than those women. As a man moves up the ladder, his chances grow exponentially to that of women.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

With Tinder and other online dating apps, all but the bottom 10-20% have a constant stream of guys willing to get some easy sex. And there's enough thirsty, lonely people out there that they can even get the committment, if they want.

Once that wall hits... well it's funny. I've recently started allowing for older matches, closer my age. These women are very delusional, talking about how they won't share, want someone to commit, etc. Good luck hun. Won't be those of us that can still pull 20 somethings. :-)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep, because of what our society has done women legit always think, and truly believe they can do better. You're replaceable, they don't have to serve you.

They're showered in glorification and always told how pretty, beautiful, sexy they are by literally millions of guys and with how everything we consume in our society solidify these ideas they invest highly in looking good since that's all the world expects and wants most from them. There will always be 100000000 guys who want to fuck them, they want to be powerful and have no other way of doing it except denying you sex, love, or attention to men. Because in reality they're fucking powerless, however so many beta's give them power, our own men gave them this power, society did this. The power is an illusion, just like a King's power, the millions of suffering peasants don't have to obey everything he says, 1 brave knight(hopefully you) can easily kill him to take over, and he's normally a puppet really being controlled by the rich. In this case women think they're the king and they're being controlled by society to benefit society by making it richer.

However our society is also becoming one that doesn't give a shit about its people besides all of this shit, and now it cares more about trying to profit from its people not being okay than actually identifying all of the problems that its creating that's creating all of its damaged citizens.

To solve this we have to become the alpha males we truly are and have always been since the dawn of mankind.

This is why the world is the way it is now, and we turned the term bitch - a female dog to mean a women who's only to be kept on a leach.

When a girl gets everything she wants and no longer needs to look good or is open in the market society stops calling her beautiful, cute, sexy or whatever and she starts to feel like she no longer needs to gain the mans approval, however if you train them well enough, show her that you aren't like a beta loser and will drop her her & the relationship entirely she loses her initial power and turns back into the submissive women at her core.

You can be alpha and have a LTR, know it will be hard though, if shit hits the fan 10 years down the road you still have to be alpha... marriage is more risky, you'll have to go through the cancerous divorce system of America, probably lose rights to your kids too young for kids but can't imagine how painful this would be and society will almost always attack and blame you for it all.

In the past women were doing everything possible just to get a man to look at them, now you go outside and men are desperately trying to get women, rejection is an actual threat.

The only answer is to become alpha to the point women are the least of your priorities. You will still fuck them but its not what your life is about anymore.

[–]Rock2live1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post. Feels good to be a man.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

This abundance mentality can be largely attributed to the rise of capitalism, glorifying the female figure and putting a monetary value on it by perpetuating degeneracy, materialism and hedonism.

Traditional values are the only way out, don't waste your time bettering yourself for a woman who is beautiful on the outside and ugly on the inside.

[–]GoCleanYourRoom 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This isn't really a product of capitalism per se, more a product of increased liberalism, the rise of feminism in society and the decline of Judaism and Christianity in europe and other western cultures.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I said before, materialism is an inherent trait of capitalism. You can't expect to have good people when the goals in life went from, becoming a mother to many beautiful children to selling yourself in an indirect way. Our values have change because of capitalism. It's because of judaism that we are here now.

[–]funinsun10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All true but if your the next car you are going to eventually have a flat tire..if you have the money to fix after dating then you might make it until the next repair payment is due

[–]blackrabbit2999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You've addressed attractive men, unattractive (or you know, normal) men and attractive women. So what's your take on the mentality of unattractive (or just normal/average) women? Genuinely curious.

[–]RedDespair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I assume the original post was removed for a reason. There is something wrong when you are trying to convice men to change themselves based on a woman's understanding of the world

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very good post. Upvote. Good choice on the faggot usage. Its been so shamed these days by PC police, that the word has almost disappeared. Thanks for bringing back a classic. Cheers.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You opened my eyes, im in my middle 30s and i wasted so much time, a nice RP woman showed me the light. And really want to stop the loop forever. She said "you have so much potential, dont waste your time in fantasies, are you a blue pill or a red pill?" then after discovering it WOW, i regret how many years i have lost.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Men are like theme park rides and women are the visitors. You can never switch rides, you are the ride. While women can try them all, some fast some slow, others with lots of hoops, some just start high and end disappointingly low. For a man it's a challenge to learn that women will take their offer for a ride and eventually they will get off. Women can't waste any time like men, their eggs have an expiration date. Which means they are mentally equipped to swing from ride to ride. It's always been an emotional challenge for a man to watch woman after woman take his ride and eventually get off. Often times not returning if she lost interest.

So a man makes his ride cooler, more exciting, faster and more engaging and the woman stays a little longer. Still it's in a woman's mindset to get on and off the rollercoaster eventually while a man can't, he is the ride.

Now the beauty of life is that everything has a balance to it. Women are the riders of a the rollercoaster men build and a woman can get on it and off it. A man however can eject a woman off the rollercoaster at any given moment damaging the woman greatly. Remember it's a mental rollercoaster, but the emotional damage is very real (alpha widowing). This is our trump card, the ability to eject women should they not live up or misbehave. Women can't do this like we can't get off our own ride.

Just like women are mentally equipped to deal with getting off a ride and not looking back. Men learn to mentally eject women from their ride and not look back. You can rest assured that if you do this or threaten to do this, women will stay on your ride and return a whole lot more.

[–]Vhaikid -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

i am an old man and i am not sure what my kids takes in this would be but i know kids always talk about shots on goals as the most important statistic. an i didn’t read through entire comment base because i am too lazy to read all these threads, so sorry if i am in repeat mode; but people really do fall in love and get married and raise families they love. women fall in love too. i think you have everything back ass because, woman can’t wait to fall in love and sometimes they do it for the very wrong guy. i have seen many losers in my many days with lovely funny sexy wives, they love the retarded apes they married.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Times have changed, old man. Your years and experiences are gone. Marriage is a joke and there are plenty of statistics that back up my claim.

[–]Emailfarhad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The wall comes a lot faster than 40’s/50’s. She’ll start feeling it at 28 and beyond...

[–]Dragon_Garoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Truth, they'll feel it. But cognitive dissonance keeps them holding on and the amount of guys that will still throw it in, keeps that dream alive. Most don't realize, their chances for an LTR is decreasing rapidly. And society isn't encouraging the types of behaviour or attitude that would increase the odds of that.

[–]ezk3626 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Retarded incels will project their values onto women and then judge her behavior according to incel values. These immature men observe a woman's abundance mentality in action and will become angry because her behavior conflicts with what these faggots want. These underdeveloped men see it as being her fault that relationships fall apart. These simians often fail to look in the mirror and see how their behavior contributed to the downfall of their past relationships.

This commentary attempts to be useful except it is too subtle. I think it would be more effective if you said what you actually thought. Don't beat around the bush so much, be direct.

[–]RomeNeverFell -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I wanna play the the devil's advocate here.

why would you ever stay with your shitty Honda Accord long term?

I wouldn't consider myself as a ''shitty Honda'' but rather as a custom made sport car. Yes, there are other good cars around that are better in some aspects, but certainly not all. Why would you give up your Ferrari 812 forever to lease a Lamborghini Veneno or even a Bugatti? Yes, they are nicer in some ways, but a Ferrari is a Ferrari, full stop.

She can't appreciate you the way you appreciate her because she didn't fight a perpetual war every day of her life just to earn the privilege to ride with you

She can appreciate me exactly for this reason, I fought all my life for what I am and have now. The same way I can appreciate a boxing champion without having ever boxed myself.

Also, girls tend to get instinctively attached if they spend enough time with a person, I had chicks I never gave a flying fuck about calling and texting me for months after I broke up with them. But, yeah, I agree with the rest.

[–]magi32 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

it's An Attractive...

If a is followed by a word with another vowel (as its first letter) it's meant to be an An

e.g. An igloo, an apple

but not always

e.g. A ute

But here the u is treated as a y (it doesn't function like a vowel)

Hope this helps.

EDIT: So trp differentiates itself from incels? Good to know, incels kinda suck (from what I've looked at)