Red Pill TheoryRemember: Women Have Value, Men Have Agency, Both Have Power (self.TheRedPill)

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"Everything is about sex. Except for sex. Sex is about power" - Oscar Wilde.

When it comes to the dynamic between the sexes, we tend to discuss the balance (or imbalance) of power. The discussions range thematically from women having a Pussy Pass and a battalion of White Knights standing with their "swords" erect, to men applying dread, nexting, and focusing on their purpose. The argument swings back and forth in trying to come to a resting position and answer the question "who really has power?" Well, as the title suggests, both sexes do. But they have power differently. Women have power through their pussy (value) and men have power through their behavior (agency).

A woman has power over a man who is thirsty, who has difficulty securing a mate, who needs a wet hole to satisfy his needs. We refer to this phenomenon as "oneitis" but, as is often the case in the unplugged world, the rabbit hole goes much deeper. Women do not just have power over an individual man--they have power over the collective male population. And the reason for this is simple: they have value. They carry eggs and evolution has therefore assigned them value from the moment they were zygotes and had XX chromosomes, just as men were fated to be expendable by the Y chromosome. While it's true that the sidebar reminds us that the only value some women bring to a relationship is pussy, I am arguing the original intrinsic value assigned to females. As they age and are corrupted by the degenerate feminist culture, their value decreases (sometimes exponentially) but they still retain a small measure of their power. In a catastrophe, women (along with children) would be the first ones escorted to safety, they would be the ones on the lifeboat sailing into the sunset while the men's lungs fill with icy water as the ship sinks. They're the ones who keep custody. They're the ones who receive handouts and resources by dint of having a vagina. That's nature's plan. That's women's power.

But men have power too. While there is such a thing as alpha males and high SMV men, our gender does not have any inherent value in and of itself. It only takes one relatively healthy, relatively fertile man to impregnate a hundred women and ensure the continuation of his tribe. Men are disposable. Men are made for war, for sacrifice, for destruction. But men are also made for creation. Men create civilizations, colonies, empires...but most importantly, men create themselves. Perhaps because we are so disposable we realize on some level of our being that we'd better get our shit together and make something of ourselves or else we will be drowned out by the chaotic buzz of humanity. And so we seek knowledge, we seek advancement, and a few of us manage to stand out from the throng of humanity. But the truth is that we never have to attain our goals to have power over women. All we need to do is try, because the moment your life zeroes in on your goal, women take notice and then they take part (or try to). Women have oneitis too, but they have it for men who do whatever the fuck they want and who play by their own rules and have an active rather than passive role in society.

When Neo woke up, he saw the matrix for what it was. Just as many of you do too. But after that, Neo recognized his power and he embraced it and bent the reality around him to his will. That is the next step for many of you here: recognize your power, grow into it, and delight in your abilities. The world is here to be shaped by you.

[–]Prophets_Prey 160 points161 points  (7 children)

Men are a utility, women are a commodity.

[–]SocietalEngineering 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Underrated comment, love this

[–]1davebrain 5 points6 points  (4 children)

But in ancient times it was reversed. Men used women as a baby making utility, and when they divorced them the man kept the kids, who became his workers to work his farm, while the woman went back to her father's house (and after a 3 month timeout to ensure she wasn't pregnant) was married off to another man. But now women use men as utilities to make babies, divorce them, and use the babies to get money from the government. So basically, the sexes can never be equal. One must always treat the other as a mere utility. But it doesn't have to be the man that's the utility.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 3 points4 points  (3 children)

We didn't have divorce until recently. Men had no reason to get divorced though, we could have mistresses on the side and our wives couldn't say or do anything about it, not even leave.

[–]1davebrain 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Talk about being historically illiterate. Divorce has always been around. And if you had multiple wives and they fought, you'd kick one out.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You've never heard of Henry the 8th? The creation of the Church of England? Even Kings had a hard time getting a divorce back in the day.


So don't lecture me, or anyone else, about history, ever again, you ignorant doophus. Divorce has only become common recently. In ancient times it was practically unheard of. Marriage was for life. Even until recently you had to prove that your wife had committed adultery to get a divorce. Ever hear of "grounds for divorce?" Back then it didn't mean "because I got bored".

The sheer arrogance and stupidity of people on the internet sometimes, man.

[–]1davebrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're talking the Catholic church's reign of stupid. I'm talking before that.

[–]tteabag2591 203 points204 points  (49 children)

Yeah I get fed up with the whole "men are inherently superior" crap that gets peddled here. Men like to believe they are superior according to their own values. It's the same for women. Hence feminism. The truth is both are valuable in differing contexts. Understanding these contexts and differing values is the key to strong frame. Don't let the resentment of feminine values prevent you from respecting their place in the world. It ultimately leads to a stronger frame.

[–]1-drukpa-kunley- 142 points143 points  (24 children)


First, respect is earned. Why should I "respect" a woman, just because she's a woman?

Second, why is bitcoin or gold so valuable? Because of the effort it takes to produce them.

"Requirements" (from a woman's perspective) for a man to get laid:
* Be physically fit/muscular
* Be charismatic
* Be funny
* Have a good haircut
* Have a good job/money
* Have a good fashion sense
* Have a good sense of humor
* Drive a nice car
* Have a strong social circle/status
* Be amenable towards her friends
* Own a nice house/condo

"Requirements" from a man's perspective, for a woman to get laid:
* Be younger than 29
* Don't be a bitch
* Don't be too fat
* Don't have a massive physical deformity

Attractive women are born, attractive men are made, and made by their own hands. So they inherently have more value. And women chase value. There is a REASON that the top 20% of men fuck the top 80% of women. So if you look at women's behavior they are telling you through their ACTIONS that attractive men are superior. Women date up, men date down. Women choose men that they perceive to be superior to them.

So in a philosophical sense, yes you are correct that a homeless bum is not inherently superior to a supermodel. But don't forget why we are all here. We're here to explore sexual strategy. We're here to help men get laid. And for bloopies, your message is extremely dangerous because it doesn't put them in the correct mindset to act like a superior male.

So if I have to choose what message to tell newly unplugged bloopies, I'm going to tell them to act like the biggest misogynist shitlord ever. And they will start getting laid. Because women have shown us, THROUGH THEIR ACTIONS, exactly what type of behavior they value.

There is a reason that the women in Europe are cuckolding their husbands with the violent middle-eastern immigrants. Do you think those immigrants have a benevolent patriarch frame?

There's a reason that the Story of O, and 50 Shades are top-selling books. Are the women in those books treated with respect? Far from it.

There is a reason, rooted in evolutionary biology, why this woman had her first orgasm when being gang raped.

"I can't believe she left me for that NICE GUY!!!" - said no Outlaw Biker or Escaped Mental Patient, ever.

No woman has ever gone to a homeless shelter to look for a man with a heart of gold.

So in conclusion, if women show me through their actions what type of behavior they value (dominance from a superior male, both outside and inside the bedroom), then I'm going to do that. Because it works.

[–]WelfareWarriorZ 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Gold and bitcoin have value because people believe they are valuable. Not so much time and energy commitment to get them. (Although that is true but it's fiat currency)

[–]pehsxten 7 points8 points  (1 child)

"He tricked me into gang raping me. So painful. I orgasmed and realized I'm a slut so I decided to be his prostitute"... ?¿?¿?¿?¿???¿??¿?

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That link is obviously a twisted version of a penthouse letter and totally fake. It's mind boggling that someone would share that here as if it were true.

I'm sure women do have orgasms during rape, that I don't doubt, but the rest of the story is totally unbelievable nonsense.

The rest of his post is good though.

[–]Jonlife 41 points42 points  (2 children)


Not sure why OP said that women have power. Men merely give them power, because of that pussy we obsess over. Once you stop caring about pussy, they have zero power.

But well said. All women have to offer is pussy. The reason why men are even labeled "attractive" is because of what they've built for themselves. No man is born Powerful. He's gotta earn that right. While women just had to lay on their back. And that right there infuriates them. Especially the feminists who think they are going to change that reality by blocking it out.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy -1 points0 points  (1 child)

It's our insatiable sex drive (genetics) combined with modern society letting women live completely without consequences (the pill, welfare state, safety nets) which gives women power over us. They're producers / owners of a valuable commodity (their bodies) which we have an unlimited desire for (even ugly women can pick up dick any time, at least while they're young).

MGTOWs aren't reclaiming anything, they're giving up. That's beta / cuck territory.

The only way to win is to win, not to give up the game entirely.

Women have plenty more to offer than pussy. But yes, that's mostly what it is. Companionship matters too, I haven't been that close to my guy friends in years and when I'm not in an LTR I have gone weeks, even months, without speaking to another person in anything but a superficial conversation (or maybe about tech or games but nothing serious). Women actually do listen and love is what makes life worth living. I've had enough meaningless flings to say if I died tomorrow I'd be satisfied if that's all life had to offer.

The subreddit seems to demand that if you swallowed the "red pill" that you can't believe in love, and that's sad and totally beta. If you don't have love, you are missing out on the best thing in life, from my point of view. I say this as someone who's had endless flings with hotties and it gets stale. Sure it'd be nice to bang Emily Ratajowski (oh mama) but if you find the right person and things click then you are winning at the game of life. And that's a much bigger and tougher game than "the game" to get women's panties off.

[–]Jonlife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is purple pill talk bro. I wish you well on your endeavors to finding that "unicorn", but allow me to drop more red pill knowledge your way. You do understand that a woman cannot love the way a man loves. Their hypergamous nature will simply not allow it. This has nothing to do with hating on women or being angry at them. Once you understand their nature you have to come to terms with this.
You saying that "women do actually listen and love" and that it makes life "worth living" is what was shoved down all our throats from a young age. We've been indoctrinated to think that women are sugar and spice and everything nice. It simply is not the case. The odds of even finding a unicorn are a million to one, and even those guys end up getting divorced after 20 something years.

Also, who said that men don't believe in "love" because they're red pilled? The red pill is about facing the reality of things, and not this cucked out lie most men are still walking around with. "Oh, I'll eventually find the right one....all these other ones I got with that didn't work out just meant that I didn't find the right one..." LOLOLOL....yeah, keep telling yourself that buddy.

I can save you alot of time and money, but if you still want to think that this is what life is all about (getting involved with female drama.....and trust me, it's infinite...they'll bring it to you until you're dead) then I can't help you.

[–]1swaglordobama 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Your points are all wrong. Your perspective is retarded, both figuratively and literally.

None of that matters. Women older than 29 are still having plenty of sex. Fat girls are having sex. Deformed girls are having sex.

Guys who are out of shape and look like shit are still getting laid. The way women experience attraction and arousal is vastly different from men, because their role is to screen for the best sperm, not impregnate a person and put their life in peril for the next 9 months in hopes of producing offspring.

There is also a reason why a man has potent sperm until the age of around 70, whereas women experience menopause in their 40s.

The only thing that matters to a woman, whether you like it or not, is the chances your offspring have of getting laid and contributing to society.

That being said, if you are a slob with no game, hitting the gym will only help you, but you don't need it. Looks and height give you a bigger screening window, but they are minor attraction triggers. The behavior TRP teaches is more what attracts women than appearance.

The strongest attraction triggers are social alliances and preselection. Think about why that is.

[–]notonlyplace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You speak the truth, I think we have incoporated to many other idelogies into our dicussion which leads to confusing and duplicity, human nature is complex but getting laid isn't even in my bluest of days I was still Alpha to a few fat chics , It's all relative.

[–]BreakingRed_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The strongest attraction triggers are social alliances and preselection. Think about why that is.

You're not wrong but I wouldn't rely on just those because those are the basic requirements. Beta bucks can also provide those, and I'm not gonna become some girl's wallet that gets laid only in his birthday. Newcomers would say "well, now I don't have to hit the gym I can just socialize". Bullshit.

And that "behavior TRP teaches" has to come naturally, from following your goals and having your ducks in a row. Wording it as a "behavior that we teach" makes it sound like we're basically PUA 2.0.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pheromones matter, a lot. Hit the gym and a woman ovulating is near you and it will often turn her on like crazy. There's a lot more to this than just social proof and game.

[–]1-drukpa-kunley- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The strongest attraction triggers are social alliances and preselection. Think about why that is.

Sorry but your assertions are wrong. Why don't you read some posts by u/vengefully_yours

He is living proof that all you need to generate attraction is to be able to look like you can punch through a wall, hold frame like a sociopath, and take a girl for a ride in a car that looks like hell but will make you swallow your teeth when you hit the accelerator.

Also you're forgetting that women have a DUAL mating strategy. Alpha fucks and Beta Bucks.

[–]kgriffeyjr22ataol 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Dude, am I wrong to feel like that this woman’s story has got to be bullshit? Like how is it even possible what happened to her? I think she fucked the guy and like she said looked at him like a father figure and didn’t want to disappoint her “daddy”.

[–]1-drukpa-kunley- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the end, it doesn't matter if it's bullshit or not.

What matters is what women respond to. Story of O. 50 Shades of Grey. Both of those stories were written by WOMEN. Most of the writers who wrote Don Draper's character were WOMEN.

Women DESIRE to be used as OBJECTS by a dominant, unapologetic man (or men).

[–]dirtyleghairs 7 points8 points  (1 child)

this is such a retarded comment. a man has more power when he has the balls to shape the things around him, not by being an asshole to every girl that he decides to speak to. i know that dynamic works for guys already but it's never going to work for guys that are working from the bottom. I've seen too many guys get slapped and humiliated in public for treating women like shit and for just being generally rude to them. Just take charge and don't be a fucking pussy, that's literally all it takes through trial and error. you need to stop acting like this stupid method that you're attached to is the golden rule because it's not and it certainly will not work out for you in the long run if you continue living in your false world of superiority.

[–]THEDICKDEALER 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Equal rights come with equal lefts-

[–]FinancierGuru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First, respect is earned. Why should I "respect" a woman, just because she's a woman?

This guy gets it.

Yes, women have shown us what they value. It may not make sense to you, but "it is what it is".

[–]gELSK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

// , Have an upvote for the mention of Bitcoin.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Second, why is bitcoin or gold so valuable? Because of the effort it takes to produce them.

Because someone allowed (necessity or manipulation or both) for it to have a value. Value is imaginary and only holds weight with the wanting.

One mans treasure is another mans pile of shit or vice versa.

Genetic value (involuntary) and Illusionary mind (voluntary) value should be discussed more and not 'white knight' argued like the person above.

[–]ThrowFader 12 points13 points  (9 children)

Men like to believe they are superior, because more times than not they are. It really depends on what standards you are judging by.

Intelligence? Men win here. Strength? Give me a break. Creativity? AHAHAH Resilience? LOL Virtue? Um yeah, lolllll.

But in terms of social manipulation, women control almost everything.

SO indeed, women and men both have their own forms of power, but by most standards I use when judging whether one human is superior to another, I think men have more potential. Not that they actualize it, but the potential is there.

I can tell you were just itching to see a post that confirm your beta world view.

"Buh buh buh, women are equal too!!!! So misgoynist Redit!!!"


[–]tteabag2591 2 points3 points  (8 children)

It really depends on what standards you are judging by.

That's my whole point. Surely more of you here would understand that you're bitterly projecting male values on women and for some reason surprised they come up short. It's just the wrong way to interpret women I think.

[–]ThrowFader 1 point2 points  (7 children)

I'm not expecting women to do manly things. I'm not in anger stage.

I just don't like when people hold on to the Disney ideal.

Women have their place, I have mine. I want to better understand them, just not under false pretenses that they are automatically "equal" to me. I don't know what that means.

[–]tteabag2591 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I agree with you. They're not equal in the traditional sense of "sameness". Just different and better suited to different lifestyles than men. I mean when you compare them to men by male standards, of course they come up short. But that's a retarded way to look at women. It's the same half-assed social deconstruction that feminists/sjw's do.

[–]ThrowFader 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I don't compare them to male standards to put them down though. I do it to ground myself in reality. Unfortunately, the biological drive to reproduce needs to be regulated with a heavy dose of reality.

Otherwise the pedestal results.

I agree with your basic premise tho.

[–]tteabag2591 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I can agree with that. The comparison is only good for establishing frame. Otherwise, it's a circle jerk and can make dudes overly bitter about women.

[–]fastnail 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Feminists and the feminist imperative wants men to think that men and women are equal which is a lie.

Just look no further for why the two genders are separated than the Olympic games for the physical differences and chess tournaments for mental differences.

[–]ThrowFader 0 points1 point  (0 children)


Recognizing this isn't even some crazy revelation.

It should be a fact, like 1+1.

Just goes to show how deep the BP delusion is.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Yeah I get fed up with the whole "men are inherently superior" crap that gets peddled here.

I agree, it can be over the top at times, but let's be honest, most of the time it's true.

Men like to believe they are superior according to their own values. It's the same for women. Hence feminism.

You're almost right. Except "feminism" is about saying women have the exact same strengths and values as men... Which is patently false. Which is why there is such pushback to this postmodern bullshit. Feminism is not about celebrating being a good mother and wife it's about making women think they are men and hold masculine values contrary to their true desires, such as riding the CC or not having children until they're infertile, and prioritizing living as wage-slaves beholden to their corporate paymasters.

The truth is both are valuable in differing contexts.

Yes. That is what TRP is all about.

[–]fastnail 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Feminism is a Marxist ideology masquerading as an equalist movement.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that modern third-wave feminism is not about equality (the word is "egalitarian" not "equalist", btw) but gyno-centrism and female supremacy in all things (especially funding by the state for bogus affirmative action programs like "diversity" measures which achieve nothing). However calling their movement Marxist makes me wonder if you know what the term even means. It's got nothing to do with bringing down capitalism, whatsoever.

They do (ab)use the power of the state to achieve their ends, true, as the state has a near-monopoly on violence and coercion, but their ends cannot be both Marxist and anti-equality-of-outcome at the same time. That's a contradiction in terms.

Feminists don't want a proletarian revolution because they don't actually want to work as hard as we do, with their cushy jobs generating much lower stress levels and demanding less rigour and intellect, and it would mean they'd actually have to sacrifice time socializing in order to get ahead, or do hard, shitty, dangerous, menial jobs currently reserved for men like cleaning sewers and picking up garbage. Nope, not happening.

Capitalism combined with legal means to coerce funds requires strong buy-in from blue pill male cucks on the left is what keeps women elevated above us and will continue to ensure women's dominance in things like disposable income, life expectancy, life happiness, health, etc. In the narrow sense that it's about redirecting wealth from men to women, yes, but that doesn't require the state to do that necesserily. Many men gladly give over their hard earned money and nobody forces us to do that. Alimony notwithstanding, of course.

In the soviet union there were way more women engineers than there are in the west, due to free university, quotas and free child care, but they were miserable and things shifted right back the second they shifted back to capitalism. And in Sweden where you can work 20 hours a week if you want to, women freely choose the minimum amount of hours to work per week whereas men pick the most. Meaning if they are free to choose they still prefer lower income if it means more time to lay around and take selfies.

Don't fall for the feminist BS about wanting equal pay for equal work. They want equal pay for less (hard) work while doing less hours than we do. That's the truth. And that's not really what Marxism is about (not that I'm a fan).

Marxism if anything actually would shun (in theory) one group (50% of the population) telling the other half what to do and that they should work much harder and longer hours and exploit them so they can relax, and not actually contributing anything of value except being parasites.

That's not much different than how the current capitalist system actually works, in practice. Men do most of the hard work now and heavy lifting in all major areas of production and intellectual pursuits, but women demand an equal say in the allocation of those resources (often to benefit themselves exclusively. Take back the night is a great example, 90% of violent crime is committed against men and yet women get state-funded marches to protect them, mostly from their own fears. To hell with the actual victims of most violence crime, men).

Men can't really be red pill until they realize how fucked we are and how much second-class citizens we are and how we freely allow ourselves to be exploited. It's not just to get laid either. Unfortunately too much machismo and egomania often makes people think that's "beta" "cuck" "victimhood" talk but stats don't lie, men are getting the brunt of the shit in society and getting laid is just one front in the war of the sexes.

To put things in Marxist terms: women control the means of production (access to their pussies) and deny it to most of the men even though we do nearly all the heavy work in society, and give it away to a select 20% because that's merely obeying their genetic programming tells them to do: be naturally selective.

Any actual Marxists in a sexual revolution would demand that access to sex be divorced from unfair financial advantages that rich men have (and by rich that could mean rich in ways other than money too, like winning the genetic lottery: looks, smarts, strength, etc). It would basically mean state-sponsored brothels with quotas ensuring a lot of super hot women work there to even out the "means of production".

Of course this would be considered a nightmare by many, (especially by sex-negative female supremacists) so they would never go for "actual equality". I'm just saying, don't use the term "Marxism" to denote what feminists want, because it isn't true. Or at least, it's not straightforward. They do want to get more for less, which is fundamentally against the very premise of Marxism. But in practice, they were made to work far, far harder and longer hours in actual communist countries than in the West, and in countries where they can smooch off the government (paid for by tax dollars from men's wages), then yes, they will gladly do that too. My point is, is that it's about greed and exploitation, Marxism or Capitalism are besides the point: they will find any and every possible way to get an upper hand. And they have.

[–]tteabag2591 2 points3 points  (3 children)

but let's be honest, most of the time it's true.

No. Not even remotely. Men are better at being men. That has very little to do with what makes a woman "good". Feminine values aren't inherently "worse" than masculine ones. They're actually better for social work and dealing with children if developed properly. I wasn't suggesting feminism was positive femininity. It's the result of misconstrued values. Feminism was created when penis envy got out of control. So we agree really. I just think it's retarded to compare feminine values to masculine ones and beat your chest about masculine ones being superior. They aren't supposed to fight each other. They're supposed to coexist with each other in a way that supports good offspring.

[–]fastnail 1 point2 points  (2 children)

In the current feminist dominated western countries most females are self-entitled c*nts and not worth marrying or even dating.

They bring nothing of value to the table.

[–]tteabag2591 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I...agree. :). Neither sex is really bringing much to the table these days if we're being honest.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed, people can't even be bothered to vote but they'll wait in lineups around the block to get the latest iphone. Only 55% of Americans voted in 2016.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

No, men are superior. In any case other then todays society, women are dependent on one single thing - if a male will like them.

Further, while men are worthy for miriad of reasons, womens value is measured by her beauty and fertility. If she is not good looking by current standard or if she is too old to get pregnant, she might as well be dead - and that is exactly how it was in some cultures.

Even further, in a society where women does have nothing to do with nature imperative (to be good mothers), instead they are whoring around until they are too old, I see literally NO VALUE in them.

[–]tteabag2591 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Seeing no value in MODERN women is not the same as feminine values having no merit or use. It's called positive femininity. It does exist and needs to be developed in young girls more than ever.

[–]fastnail -1 points0 points  (1 child)

tteabag2591, Under which rock in the deepest most inaccessible part of the ocean floor does this positive feminity exist?

I've never seen it, I think its just another term for a Unicorn and we know those don't exist.

[–]tteabag2591 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Mom, cousins, aunts, grandmothers, etc.? Are you seriously suggesting that every woman you've ever known was negatively feminine? A unicorn is an unrealistic expectation of women. Always was. Just because perfect women don't exist doesn't mean all women are bad or out to get you. Like I get it. The culture has made them worse than before. It's made EVERYONE worse than before if you look at the whole picture.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (2 children)

A woman has power over a man who is thirsty, who has difficulty securing a mate, who needs a wet hole to satisfy his needs. We refer to this phenomenon as "oneitis".

Remember this lads. That's literally the ONLY reason you are attached to her. Seriously.

Edit: ok like she's not just a 'wet hole' however we as men we don't have the luxury of pretending that she is more than that. Everyone knows they are more than that. However, what I'm saying is that what you want from women is basically sex, you can get good vibes, money, work, hobbies, friends elsewhere, you can only get sex from women. We can preserve the illusion that everything is ok and will be ok, however, look at it from this way. Skinny women are the same as skinny men. Metabolism. I see skinny guys everywhere, women are skinny for the same reason. Women are just like us. Hot women who have nothing to them are more valuable than a hot guy who has nothing to him, simply because of how we are assessed by society. That's why you see dumb beauty's with ugly winners in life. That's my two cents.

[–]2Dmva100 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It comes down to the woman and her character/upbringing at that point if she is well aware of a man's inability to secure many partners. She can choose to manipulate her position, or accept him as is and honoring his committment.

Too bad honor and loyalty are masculine values that women don't need to acknowledge or adhere to, as they have not known a shred of such virtues for their whole lives. AWALT. Keep your options open.

[–]Fuck_my_Life1234 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Some of us can't get laid with normal people no matter what we do

[–]1Sir_Distic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You are wrong.

I've known men in wheelchairs, missing teeth, with scraggly beards. Fucking fine women. It's all about you and what you do with it.

[–]waspmaker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In short "Men were born to fight, women were born to manipulate"

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Thats some good shit right there, I’m trying to swallow the pill myself and this is a good way to generalize it.

[–]ThrowFader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

best way to swallow is to research alot and really thow yourself out there

Good luck

[–]MrEscher 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree with everything you wrote; I'd just like to add two things:

1) women have more influence than men in that they have always been considered gate keepers/choosers of our species. This status does not waver with age/lowered sexual value because women are caretakers. They cater to the progeny when their sexual value is diminished passing along a nurturing environment necessary for optimal development; but most importantly cultural values that are reinforced.

2) Men do not have the same level of power as women do because what is in our nature is now illegal. What is in their nature is subsidized through law/entitlements (child support, planned parenthood, etc). There's a reason Genghis khans' DNA can be traced in most people from china. Cuz he raped and killed anyone who was in his way. I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT'S OK TO DO THOSE THINGS.

Natural and cultural selection has placed an emphasise on the Machiavellian man; men who exhibit power without the need to resort to violence.

[–]mmplx 1 points1 points [recovered]

I disagree about valuating males wrt the 'plan of the species'. True, male and female are two very different strategies for gene replication, which explains a lot about the phenotype and behaviour of each sex. But a male is not disposable because a handful of males would be enough for keeping the species alive, a male is a vehicle for his own genes, not the 'species genes', that's a teleological argument from the POV of the species. A male competes with other males for impregnating more females and, with some luck and ingenuity, get some other males take care of his descendents, freeing him for more replication. In general, evolutionary stable strategies don't favour harems. Now, it's true that from the POV of females and hypergamy, a particular male is mostly disposable in the sense that her eggs would be better impregnated by a more capable male, and there is always a more capable one (I'm not implying this is a total order, but just a partial order with some small elite). Furthermore, from the POV of the species males aren't as disposable as it might be thought, since the species 'needs' variation and crossover, it's not as shortsighted as a female trying to ensure, here and now, the best traits for her long term investment.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Good post. It's interesting how genetic testing showed that 10% of the human race is not related to their father by marriage, i.e. have a different biological father. Even before modern times when divorce became legal and eventually commonplace. Meaning women cheat a lot more than we give them credit for historically, especially during ovulation. Some variation is good for the gene pool apparently, and those cheating men need to cheat with women, who are often committed.

Long-term investment in this case means the "provider" male is already happily toiling away to provide while being literally cuckolded by his wife in order to satisfy her innate desire to have genetically strong offspring too. Of course this works both ways, to cheat it takes two people (or more), but this changes what it means for men to be "disposable", it just means they can be cuckd' and still raise somebody else's bastard. So they're useful far beyond just for their genes: bringing home the bacon and helping spread somebody else's genes across the aeons.

"Hypergamic" females as you put it in this context just means they are putting their manipulative behavior to good use, to have their cake and eat it too. This is far worse now in the modern world, single parents and mixed families show a realignment away from the delusion of strict monogamy to something far more flexible and ultimately, realistic. FWIW

[–]mmplx 1 points1 points [recovered]

I can't help recommending The Selfish Gene, specially the chapter on The Battle of the Sexes, on this topic. Extremely RP.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep, read it in the 90s and loved it. Back then we didn't call being scientifically literate "red pill", merely educated. But even then, evolution denial was common amongst both the angry professional perpetual victimhood class on the left and the Bible-thumping "Jesus rode on the backs of T-Rex" types on the right.

This is a very interesting topic indeed and I'm sure there are many new discoveries waiting to happen, to those who are interested in actually finding out the truth of the matter vs those who already know The Truth(tm). I dislike RP-zealotry for that same reason. (any zealotry, really. I'm happy to be proved wrong because it means I've learned something new. I read science articles often and am surprised nearly every day).

If I see sex-war analysis done by people without any knowledge of the evolutionary origins of our psychology I generally tune out, since it most likely has a low signal-to-noise ratio.

[–]macaroon18 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Having power is one thing, being able to recognise it and use it well is another matter entirely

[–]fastnail 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Women,s value (power) diminishes over time whereas a man's value increases over time...so overall a man has more power.

[–]carl_tech 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Women,s value (power) diminishes over time

Not necessarily. Within a family or community, a woman may be able to increase her own power and influence even as she loses her beauty and fertility.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The more kids and grandkids a woman has, the more control, influence, and thus power she has, yes. Having a meaningful, purposeful existence is a big thing and keeps you alive and active far longer.

Unless a man is rich as soon as he has kids his time for philandering is likely curtailed and thus can't take advantage of this increased "value". Plus the financial repercussions are far, far worse for a married man who wants to spread his seed around, thanks to the skewed legal system which penalizes us and turns us into indentures servants. I had a friend whose girlfriend got herself pregnant to get him to foot the bill, then found herself a nice rich husband and my poor sap friend paid child support for 18 years making him destitute and yet rarely being able to see his daughter. This is a common scenario in North America.

So I disagree that men are better off at a certain age, probably we never are. I don't know. It depends. Even if you are half-decent it's still probably way easier for a MILF to get laid on a ONS than a single dad.

[–]Project_Thor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We assigned them power, with our agency and continue to do so.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What a great post. Thank you

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

great post man, learnt a lot thanks

[–]SAPPHIREAURA 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow "the chaotic buzz of humanity" well said, all of it. kudos

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

your quote is thoroughly applicable to the weinstein stuff

"Everything is about sex. Except for sex. Sex is about power" - Oscar Wilde.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Evolutionary psychologists would flip that quote over on its head.

Without being too reductionist, "power" is merely about getting more sex, and sex is chiefly about reproduction. It also helps you support your offspring and protect them as well, which in turn is our genes' way of selfishly propagating themselves.

I prefer Scarface's take: "First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the women"

[–]1davebrain 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When Neo woke up, he saw the matrix for what it was. Just as many of you do too. But after that, Neo recognized his power and he embraced it and bent the reality around him to his will. That is the next step for many of you here: recognize your power, grow into it, and delight in your abilities. The world is here to be shaped by you.

A short-sighted misreading. Neo's manipulation within the matrix was only to ultimately bring down the matrix to enact total escape from it.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not how the series ended, if I remember correctly he ended up supporting the Matrix because it was a necessary evil for the survival of the human species.

[–]atlantique16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women also have values and goals. Maybe your values and goals are aligned to hers who knows

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Value? If we're talking in modernist terms, barely any now

[–]uebermacht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]1swaglordobama -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Lol are you kidding ? Men have equal value to women. We have different roles but come together like yin and yang in society.

Women are agents of contraction, men are agents of expansion.

Women don't go to war because their role is to maintain and nurture a tribe, while the men have the role of advancing and expanding the tribe.

Men build society, women take care of it.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 4 points5 points  (1 child)

All correct, except women don't take care of society. source: decline of western civilization.

[–]1swaglordobama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tribal society, what we're biologically wired for. Western civilization is quite a stretch from the primal human lifestyle.

We're supposed to be in big tribal orgies so the best sperm can create the best offspring, sharing all women.

[–]washyourgrandma -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Why are you so determined to hate women? Does it make your life better to be filled with anger and hatred constantly?

[–]1Sir_Distic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where in the post do you see him hating women?