MetaIncels got banned. What does that mean for TRP? (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1TheDreadnought1

The Incels sub just got banned in the last hours. Yes it was a despicable place, home of losers, whiners, pathetic defeatists, but I think the down of their sub might be bad for us. Why?

First, we occasionally see some incels posting on AskTRP. Ok, we can live with that, but now, without their home sub, some of them might try to migrate here for refuge and start poisoning the subs with their ridiculousness. More than just lowering the overall quality of the posts, this kinds of posts, if too frequent, may bring even more bad attention to us.

Second, is just that: attention. Incels was a decoy for us. The BP'd manipulated man and the average reddit feminist see us as almost the same as them, at least on the "hatred towards women" and misogyny stuff. And without that sub around, their censorship desires might converge in our direction. I've already seen one or two posts on some BP'd subs about "this is the time to take TRP down". I'm sure that there is more than a few redditors around that would be more than pleased to wipe us out.

What do you think?


[–]Modredpillschool[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (11 children)

As a side note, if we do get banned, backup forums are here: https://forums.red

[–]anon2777 617 points618 points  (216 children)

i felt bad for them, i always tried to offer them advice, but it is a very self defeating place. i think the ones that come here will be better off for it, and this sub should be fine so long as we continue following the same rules for posting as we always have

[–]1TheDreadnought1[S] 146 points147 points  (13 children)

There are two types of incels, the ones that are just sad about it and still have a spark of hope, and the ones that are just in too deep to see anything besides their suffering and the injustice they've seen.

The first ones are welcome here, and they probably can use this sub content to improve. The second ones are just outright toxic. For them I think the sub shouldn't be banned, because at least there they were easily seen and controlled. Among this group are the ones that are potentially dangerous

[–]commander_zoidberg 39 points40 points  (1 child)

I have advised some of my younger incel brethren to head to TRP. Ones who are still in what i call "cope" i was in that phase from 14-17 hard and had a mini breakdown at 23 when i couldn't reconcile these two philosophies and saw how things really were and became black pilled. Sufficed to say that wherever we make our home i will continue to do that to ones i think may have a chance.

[–]Throwawayzzz753 31 points32 points  (1 child)

I bet half the subscribers in there were Russian bots just egging people on to go on mass shootings

[–]HopeisHere5 24 points25 points  (0 children)

never thought I’d read this sentence and not be skeptical about

[–]Rathadin 5 points6 points  (5 children)

too deep to see anything besides their suffering and the injustice they've seen.

I find your word choice intriguing, and I wonder if you're speaking from their point of view, or if you actually feel that way yourself.

I don't consider anything about human mating and sexual selection an injustice. Its not an injustice when a female mantis eats her mate - its nature. Its the natural order of things. Its not injustice when the weaker lion dies off and the stronger lion takes his place.

I see everything about human mating in the same light. I used to feel pity for incels, but that pity turned to loathing. Now I feel indifference, which for some is arguably worse. Frankly I'll be glad if they die off. I do, of course, mean literally. We've developed a world that can be almost an inverse of nature - instead of the fastest, smartest, and strongest having sexual rights to the largest selection of women, our weakest and most worthless, who, depending upon the time period, either died in the hunt or on the battlefield, can now manage to pass their shitty genes on to the next generation.

The incels are dangerous, as you put it, because any being will fight its own extinction, and ultimately that's what they're doing. At the end of the day, if you can't pass your genes onto the next generation because you can't attract a mate, you're useless to the species. This turns them bitter, which exacerbates into mental illness, or if they're already mentally ill, just compounds the problem further (Elliot Rodger).

[–]antigenocide1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sure but it wouldn't be a problem if the most talented, successful, healthiest men were actually having the most children. Then, the losers who manage to have only 1-2 kids would get genetically drowned out in the overall gene pool.

Do you see that around you? I don't. I see the best of the best men cuckolding themselves with birth control while losers go around having 10 kids on welfare.

Prepare for idiocracy.

[–]nomyconcept 1 points1 points [recovered]

I think that some guys really have though luck in the sexual market place. I felt sorry for those whose mating chances were approaching zero by little to no fault of their own.

Telling a guy(that has virtually no chin, is balding at 20, is small and has terrible acne) to lift hard and be confident just feels cruel. Sure he can become better and strive to be a fulfilled person but for most of his life he will literally be involuntarily celibate. If you are at the bottom and every girl wants to date upwards you can't even get a bottom rank girl.

I don't feel bad for the guys who have all the potential but are wasting it due to their victim mindset.

[–]c_megalodon25 48 points49 points  (5 children)

But their mentality was bullshit and they clung to the idea that personality doesn’t matter at all. I’ve seen some fucking ugly men happily holding hands with their fucking ugly wives while their kids are running around. Despite how they looked, I bet they were nice to their wives and chose happiness and companionship with an ugly woman over self hatred.

[–]LordStoffelstein 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Shit I've seen ugly dudes with smoking women on their arm. One of the foreman at my shop is like that. Has to keep his hair real short, because it looks like shit (his words, and they're true) he is pretty fat. Has stretchmarks everywhere. Got busted in his forehead with a crowbar, has a little dent in his forehead. He's funny though, brings home the bacon, and he's strong. His ole lady is pretty hot. I don't know how he did it. I see it more than just with him though. You can be an ugly man and still be ok, get a good job.. be successful. The women will come.

[–]wanderer779 17 points18 points  (1 child)

My opinion from years of watching is that personality is the real limiting factor. Guys who have balls to approach and frame to brush off rejection will usually do alright. And I suspect a lot of what we call personality hinges on adequate testosterone. The other hang up is disorders like autism that make it hard to socialize.

Other things like height and looks aren't as important. Height and looks alone won't get you far unless you are top 5% where women do the escalating for you.

[–]antigenocide1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. Women can smell low testosterone and autism from a mile away. They will reject actual millionaires if they detect these traits.

Remember, the vagina is seeking out genes with the potential for success, not necessarily success itself.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Just today I saw what you would consider an "incel", by any means.

He was short, fat, balding and had a fat ugly face. He didn't seem to be lifting. But he was going hand in hand with a smoking hot and feminine blond from my office, they're married.

[–]185poundsofhatredWIP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good example of a beta bux, init.

[–]king-of-the-jungle 1 points1 points [recovered]

Seems like there are already plenty of incels here, if you look at the most up-voted content a good chunk of it is clearly appealing to those at square 1, and alot of them probably have either been there a long time or likely aren't going to get very far. Hate to be so negative but its pretty clear based on some of the shit we see here

[–]Hltchens 50 points51 points  (11 children)

No offense to them but some of them are beyond ugly and will never get laid without pay regardless of attitude.

Like, deformed by a bad accident as a child to be a grotesque ghoul who will never get laid kind of bad.

[–]anon2777 53 points54 points  (3 children)

they still deserve help if they want it. if a terribly ugly person wants self improvement advice i see no reason they shouldnt be welcome here

[–]Hltchens 21 points22 points  (2 children)

And you’re totally right my man. I was just speaking to some of their legitimate capability to get laid.

And I’m also not saying the Marine is “in-celibate”, I was more picking him for his face, and the convenient story about his wife ditching him. Frankly it should be a RP classic warning story. Guy’s a national hero, has guaranteed money for life, has their wedding declared a holiday, fucking talked personally to, and earned the respect of the president of the most powerful nation on earth; every men of which he has earned the respect of as well, and so we see presented clear as day, that the respect of men is valueless to women. They don’t want it, need it, or care if you have it. They only care if their gfs want to fuck him.

This man had disability money for the rest of his life, he’s set financially. Some planning and good growth on mild risk investments and that disability check turns into a million dollar retirement income later on. There’s not a single bar he would walk in to whrre he’d have to buy his own drinks. He has the respect of every man, and what is that worth to her? Nothing if she can’t also claim the true bounty of marrying a ript marine: being the envy of all her friends. She knows in her head that literally none of her friends are going, “man I wish I was fucking him and not that bitch” “I wish I had her life”. And because of this, his life didn’t have enough value to her.

She probably went out and rode he CC all around the closest marine base.

Too bad Tyler isn’t browsing these boards, or if he is, S/O brother.

[–]anon2777 7 points8 points  (1 child)

you're right, some people really are involuntarily celibate, it's a shame a couple assholes ruined the place they could go to talk about it

[–]chauncy_popperstein 163 points164 points  (162 children)

I don't feel bad for them at all. When good advice is offered they reject it outright, without even trying to digest it.

They make excuses and whine.

[–][deleted] 321 points322 points  (139 children)

Sometimes you need to have sympathy for other people and put yourself in their shoes. The classic advice of going to the gym, getting a hobby, dressing well doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone.

I know an incel-type guy who is 4’11. An adult male who is 59 inches tall, or 150 cm for you Brits. Can you imagine how fucked it would be from a dating perspective to be half a foot shorter than the average woman? He got himself a vasectomy at age 21 knowing he could never put a child through the same romantic and social rejection that he suffered through all his life. Try to put yourself in that guys shoes and think of how hard it would be to muster any confidence knowing there’s an exceedingly high chance you get shot down no matter how hard you try.

Obviously the rape apologism and sexual violence is unacceptable, but its not always black and white with individual circumstances. I think such people need a place to vent even if it’s not healthy or productive, they could be doing far worse with their spare time.

[–]Aarxnw 66 points67 points  (5 children)

Holy fuck, that is the second saddest thing I've read today (in a sympathetic way), honestly I was thinking about it the other day and I just had to count myself lucky that for all of my flaws, I'm still tall, athletic, and don't have any physical defects.

I don't know how short guys deal with it, but to those who don't let it dictate their lives (and even those who do but try not to), I've gotta say, you've got my full respect. Height of a man is to women what boobs+bum+build of a woman is to men.

[–]Gravexmind 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Sometimes it’s rough. Can’t be tall, so I️ make sure my back is wide. Confidence and humor also help.

[–]Aarxnw 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A thicc asf back always helps! I'm glad you can manage to offset it with confidence and humour, they are two of a man's most powerful tools, good on you for utilising them.

[–]DPestWork 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A chick who still has none of these attributes in my book can still get laid every night of the week though. Having a couple of decent, short, guy friends was one of many things that got me thinking along multiple RP philosophies. Women we weren't even talking to would go out of their way to harass him in the cruelest ways for being short. Brutal Thunder-Cunts!

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (10 children)

Agreed. It goes the other way, too. Look at how hideous many radical feminists are. Busted face, oddly proportioned body, etc. It's sad and unfair, really. No matter how much these women do to improve themselves, they will never ever get the attention that hot women do, and it's all because the hot women hit the gene pool lottery - that's all there is to it.

From that perspective, I think TRPers and radical feminists actually have something in common - anger at things for being the way they are, and the search to try to find happiness after realizing harsh truths.

[–]telluwhut 25 points26 points  (9 children)

The badly proportioned body is almost always just too much fat. Diet and exercise solves it. Busted face is a little harder, but some work put into makeup, hairstyle, clothing, and jewellery goes a long way. I've seen it make a night and day difference.

I think they're in a really different situation than a short man. There's other things a short man can become in order to compensate in other areas for being short, but you can't really attack that problem head on.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 82 points83 points  (32 children)

The classic advice of going to the gym, getting a hobby, dressing well doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone.

The problem is they object to doing anything. Incel becomes self defining.... and then it's all women's fault and it's all Chad's fault, even though they're (in both cases) just maximising their life.

Many are not involuntarily incel at all, they are celibate due to too high standards or lack of effort to fix themselves.

They post replies like "There's no point losing weight because I'm incel so if I wasn't fat I'd just be a slimmer incel". Same logic applies to everything.

Obviously the rape apologism and sexual violence is unacceptable,

How much of that is there though?

[–]illisit 28 points29 points  (6 children)

They're mostly just venting on the internet though, the last place they can.

[–]1nrokchi 9 points10 points  (5 children)

What makes them terrible is their unwilling to sacrifice to move themselves ahead. Like /u/MattAnon said: "it's all women's fault". They vent without drive to change the outcome next time. They've chosen something that is comfortable in the now over giving up that comfort now for something better later.

That, in essence, is the difference between unsuccessful TRP neophytes and Incel.

[–]illisit 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Like I said in another comment, these people are suffering depression and anxiety. Advice to people suffering those things often useless because they are at a point in time where they actively don't want to improve, they don't have the energy to care for that or anything else. I don't know what the answer is but I still feel compassion for these people no matter how pathetic and you should too.

[–]1nrokchi 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Good place to be and I think you're touching on a hallmark of this sub here: compassion. As often as discussion here is about the self and willingness to best other men, most of us intrinsically understand that this is a shared struggle and through community (and enjoyment of competition) we can thrive.

As a mental health professional, I can say that with significant life struggles, depression can set in, but there are often predisposing factors. It's close to the chicken-egg argument.

I think now is a great time to emphasize writing as a way of digging yourself out, always focusing on what is, what is bad, what better looks like, and also what worse looks like. That will do wonders for anyone.

[–]Ketogainsmongoose 1 points1 points [recovered]

I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation.

Incels have existed from the beginning.

There will always be someone at the bottom. Period. On average only 20℅ of men generation can be called fathers. 90℅ of women are mothers, obviously paternity isn't an issue for a woman. They know they're the mothers.

Inceldom is literally hypergamy at work.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 11 points12 points  (10 children)

Inceldom is literally hypergamy at work


The issue is specifically the whining hating nature of it. Some of them have been given a bad hand by nature, and that sucks. I get that.

But the pointless fucking whining self-defeatist hatred from that place was insane.

[–]Ketogainsmongoose 1 points1 points [recovered]

Make no mistake, I agree!

The issue is not why they were silenced, but that they were silenced at all!

Who's watching the watchman?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 32 points33 points  (0 children)


Who's watching the watchman?

Well, Reddit is a privately owned organisation. It's not owned by anyone, and has no obligation to be fair or reasonable. So noone is watching the watchers.

The problem with TRP is that the majority of people are against us. Most women and most men. That we speak the truth isn't a defence because speaking the truth is the actual problem. Women want their dualistic sexual strategy kept very quiet thankyouverymuch. Many... perhaps most men want to believe in (or are invested in) the Disney Blue Pill dream. "Your wife is fucking Chad and you could be banging more women too if you weren't married" is NOT what they want to hear.

It's why the attacks on us are never about what we actually say. We're attacked because we're a threat, not because we lie, so they never say "those guys are saying women fuck Chad for free and then marry billy beta, those damned oversexed virgins!"

Instead they attack us for what they wish we were saying - something to make us look bad. It's a shit test, akin to women calling hot guys assholes.

[–]saibot83 11 points12 points  (2 children)

They're also trying to shut down the The Donald sub as well. So far it stays up but they definitely suppress it somehow. I'm subscribed but NO posts from there ever reach my frontpage. I have to specifically do a search for it every time I want to read posts from there. The Reddit company is biased as hell. Leading up to the election there were endless Hill shill posts frontpaging daily. Oh and exclusively Trump smear posts all day every day.

[–]warsie 6 points7 points  (1 child)

T_D comes up on my frontpage

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I feel like a good hand of the incels were normal dudes who voice their insecurities on a board meant for whinning so it could be seen and validated by others, and once they vented they went back to being normal

[–]alecesne 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are entire religious traditions that create utility and validation for celibate men. Also, in the past, if you really couldn't get laid, you'd go to war, and either die, get rich, for find someone in another society to... well, its what soldiers still do today when no one is looking.

[–]BreakingRed_ 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The problem is they object to doing anything. Incel becomes self defining

If you think about it, that's "learned helplessness" in a nutshell. You identify with your life situation so hard that it became a part of your identity (who you are).

Best case scenario: You're aware of it and you're constantly trying to make things work.

Worst case scenario: You're not aware of your own bullshit and you keep avoiding personal responsibility because blaming anything else feels better for your psyche. Which is also part of why religion has some appeal.

[–]mp111 8 points9 points  (6 children)

I gave advice to an incel recently without realizing it (until being called a “normie”). Checked the sub for the first time and saw 2 posts outright condoning rape. Shit was a weird ass place.

[–]Atticus_Crowley 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Yeah, honestly any place that has THAT kind of environment should be banned imo.

[–]goatwithbeergoggles 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Most of the opponents would say that TRP also condones rape.

[–]Atticus_Crowley 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the thing that did incels in was recently there was a post there that was basically asking how to get away with rape. While some guys here are stuck hard in their anger phase and say some....questionable things, I feel they would be hard pressed to find anything that bad on this sub.

Closest thing it gets to condoning rape around here is that we acknowledge that women have a yearning to be taken by a man. But that's not really news or controversial, you can find that info in any cosmo magazine that talks about popular female sex fantasies.

[–]party_next_door 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What he expects and what he offers are spectrums apart (that's how I see it).

[–]refusewool 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Just FYI Brits refer to height in feet/inches, not cm.

[–]UltraCarnivore 9 points10 points  (2 children)

5'3 here, with a 5'11 plate. Hard, but doable.

[–]BaboonBukkake 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What's your facial aesthetic like?

[–]UltraCarnivore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not a Monster, nor a Doctor.

[–]vwzwv 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's easier to work on yourself and make others want to be like you than it is to grasp how others backed themselves into a corner and devout to fixing them. It's just one more reason to work on yourself. Advise them only to the degree that you hold value to them. If you decide to work on them you aren't working on yourself. Counselors don't lift. In the end people's problems become counselors' monthly paychecks. Incels feel fucked because at best they imagine reaching the value they put on their counselor? I wouldn't want to live either.

[–]pugchi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know a guy that short. He has a wife and a kid. Im 5'8. whenever i talk to this guy, i feel like we are eye level or he is towering over me. Other people know the same feeling. But the guy is short. He has a friendly and assertive attitude.

[–]pmmedenver 3 points4 points  (0 children)

1/3 of the population is either pre-diabetic or already has diabetes, and this guy is complaining about being a foot too short? Literally all you have to do is not have a chronic disease and you have 1/2 the population beat. And as for height? Look at Kevin Hart, dude is killing it. No excuses.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 37 points38 points  (31 children)

The classic advice of going to the gym, getting a hobby, dressing well doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone.

How? How does it not apply to everyone? You don't fucking do that to get laid. You do it to become a better person. Why have sympathy for guys defining their life by emotional females? Sure being taller is better, but as men it's never the fucking answer to curl into a fetal position and give up on everything.

I know of a 4'11 guy named "shorty" he owns his own business, multi-millionaire, and is one of the funniest motherfuckers I've ever met. He's super confident and gets laid on the regular.

I think such people need a place to vent even if it’s not healthy or productive, they could be doing far worse with their spare time.

Complete BS. As men we shouldn't be bitching about the things we can't change we should be focusing on the things we can. To indulge in their victim-mentality only further perpetuates their failure. They need to be told the truth; dig themselves the fuck out. There's always improvement and work to be done.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79 40 points41 points  (4 children)

I agree, this is the real problem with incels. They give up.

Men don't give up, actually one of the good things with women is that they make men compete and we become better. Although TRP teaches sexual strategy, it also teaches that we should strive to improve for ourselves, not for women.

Even if no woman was to be genuinely attracted to me ever again, I would still strive to be the best I can be. Because that's the best way to live. Also, there are many ways to be happy without the genuine female attraction.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Exactly, well said. I've said it before that the people that are successful on TRP come here for pussy and leave hardly caring for it. Instead, they pivot their values to support their dreams and aspirations and go for them relentlessly.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79 23 points24 points  (1 child)

people that are successful on TRP come here for pussy and leave hardly caring for it

This. When you can get pussy easily (which happens if you swallow the pill), you stop worrying about it and it becomes one thing you could do among many.

Should I go play pick-up bball with my buddies? Should I work on my novel/music/motorcycle? Should I get laid? Should I hit the gym?

So many fun things to do!

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I will say that the peace of mind knowing you can get pussy whenever you want is pretty fucking awesome. But I completely agree. More of the time I find myself wanting to do things with my buddies or pick up new hobbies. Following TRP is a form of a freedom. The Matrix really is a perfect metaphor for it. Using my eyes for the first time in the REAL world.

[–]EvigSoeger 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly this. They don't just give up on self-improvement though. They give up on existing so frequently that they even have a term for it (LDAR.)

[–]1nrokchi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you distill it down, what is being asked of people when the classic advise is proposed is will you sacrifice?. That is the honest core to this advise. Even if you aren't sacrificing time to improve physique, you can apply this principle in a different manner.

Here's my argument for venting: venting shows you care. Take that energy and reappply it to the real problem and you'll start to find success.

[–]MysterManager 4 points5 points  (2 children)

What about Danny Devito where would he be if he had such a defeatist attitude or Steve Buscemi. If you have confidence and stay positive it can prove to resounding success. Peter Dinklage is a literal dwarf and he is more successful and has probably pulled more trim than many Chad Thundercocks.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (20 children)

multimillionaire ... this makes the rest of your post irrelevant

[–]telluwhut 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Not true. I'm a multimillionaire. It makes life a little easier in some respects, but doesn't really help that much with women. It's not a magical panty moisturizer. I still have all the same troubles everybody else here does.

Edit: also, millionaire doesn't mean what it used to mean due to inflation. What was $1 million in 1960 is worth about $8 million today. Being a millionaire used to really mean something. Now it just means you don't have to eat cat food in retirement.

[–]TheDeadlyZebra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He could just move to Vietnam where the women are about that height, possibly many that are less than 5 foot.

[–]chauncy_popperstein 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It comes from year of giving them advice and them doing nothing but make excuses. My stance is this:

"If you are not willing to try, then STFU."

I will save my empathy for those that are deserving of it.

[–]illisit 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Those people are affecting from depression, don't be too hard on them. I'd say most of them don't even see a possible light at the end of the tunnel at this point, that sort of depression is hard to pull yourself up out of.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I’m unaware is there some rule they broke to get shut down?

[–]anon2777 14 points15 points  (2 children)

supposedly "violence" but im of the opinion that the sub was just bad PR for reddit

[–]iLLprincipLeS 148 points149 points  (13 children)

Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic. Softek’s father’s reflexive responses are endemic of men who are Alpha White Knights. Their reactions are behaviorally Alpha, but their reasoning is founded in their investments in Blue Pill conditioning. The usual schema revolve around an attempt to display higher value by identifying with and qualifying for women whom they presuppose have default authority and correctness above men in general.

This then manifests as an exaggerated AMOGing of any guy who would not affirm his investments in that Blue Pill ego-investment. So you get a guy who blusters like Softek’s Dad at Red Pill awareness – it’s both an opportunity to prove value as a White Knight and a resistance against any truths that would challenge his Blue Pill ego.

In my own life I’ve known several men who anyone in the ‘sphere would objectively call Alpha. Their default is to action, dominance, authority and control of whatever life puts in front of them. They handle their shit, they own their business ventures, they have all the Dark Triad traits you might expect from a guy like this – but put them in a social setting with a girl and they go as Beta as any Blue Pill guy you’ll ever know. Their Blue Pill conditioning predisposes them to compartmentalize this aspect of their personality to effectively put their dominant personality to the use of the Feminine Imperative.

Dangerous White Knights

Maybe I’m the only guy who watched both seasons of Daredevil on Netflix, but if you watch the first season where they go into the origin and character of Wilson Fisk (Kingpin) this is exactly the type of guy I’m talking about. Wildly Alpha, wildly unstable, but still in control of his empire. Put a woman in his life and he transitions all of that Alpha energy to essentially worshiping that woman. In fact, this prioritizing of women above his own interests is the motivation for his empire building. These are the Alpha White Knights who channel that Alpha energy to making his Blue Pill idealisms a reality for any woman who fits his ideal.

And when that Blue Pill ideal reveals itself to be a fantasy – or God forbid, a Red Pill aware guy should take this fantasy away from him intentionally or not – you will see him self destruct, and likely take either that woman, that Red Pill guy, or both along with him.

That’s one type of Blue Pill Alpha. Another is the guy who is Alpha in one context, but Beta in another. These are the guys I describe when I talk about my military friends who’ve faced live ammo being fired at them by people intent on killing them who hold up like nails and get their job done while commanding other men. Put them in a domestic situation or a position where they have to fall back on their Blue Pill conditioning in dealing with women and they’ll defer automatically to the Frame of their wives without a thought. When their wives up and leave them, these are some of the first men to swallow a bullet by their own hand.

Again, this is an Alpha who’s never been awakened to his Blue Pill conditioning. Say even one marginally critical word about women in general and they’re the first in line to kick your ass. But they’re also the most likely to self destruct when their Blue Pill idealism is challenged or crushed.

A lot gets made about the status of ‘Paper Alphas’, but I’m beginning to think term is a bit in error. I’m dropping this here today because I think there’s a misunderstanding about how Alpha energy is channeled with respect to a guy being Red Pill aware, and a guy who is still plugged into the feminine-primary Matrix and at the mercy of how women (and other men) will exploit his Blue Pill ego-investments. In the manosphere we tend to conflate Alpha with Red Pill, but as I always say, Alpha is a mindset and not representative of whether that man is in fact ‘woke’ to his conditions and manipulations.

When I watched how the Marvel writers handled the character of Wilson Fisk I got chills because I have personally counseled Blue Pill, but predominantly Alpha, guys who’ve stabbed the new boyfriends of their ex-girlfriends because he was perceived as the catalyst to the destruction of his Blue Pill ideal – union with his ONEitis girlfriend.

I’m emphasizing this because I think it’s important for Red Pill aware men to understand the dangers of being perceived as the antithesis of these men’s ego-investments in Blue Pill idealism. This may take the form of him just despising you for revealing uncomfortable truths to him with your own presence and lifestyle, or it may be him pinning his failures to consolidate his Blue Pill ideals to you and wanting to eliminate both you and the truth you represent.

[–]legitimateusername4 49 points50 points  (1 child)

They've finally found someone they can safely look down on and it's a good opportunity to virtue signal.

[–]iLLprincipLeS 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It's not only virtue signalling. These SJW freaks are sexually aroused by the suffering of others, it's chronic, it's why feminists are obsessed about rape and misogyny, they love it and need it.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Incel, although often had some very troubled guys on it, was essentially a sub where these guys could vent and gain some perspective on why their lives are so fucked up. I can only feel sympathy for them, but to SJWs they're easy prey to be mocked and attacked, that's really fucking vile.

[–]ObiMemeKenobi 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This pissed me off so much. There were tons of people calling for "which sub should be banned next?!"..

[–]Luckylancer96 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Where do they celebrate? Want to see it

[–]Do-it-for-you 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Check out subredditdrama, there's a megathread there.

[–]Skayruss 22 points23 points  (3 children)

The way I see it, with incels down, TRP and MGTOW are next.

That being said, this might give exposure and will make MGTOW and TRP blow up in coverage and that adds more men to our ranks, as well as exposing the censorship and double standards of male vs female.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Ill give you 3:1 odds MGTOW goes before TRP. Theres just something about this sub that makes whoever holds the bannhammer nervous about pulling the trigger

[–]Skayruss 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would rather that no sub goes because censorship is autistic as fuck.

That being said, contingencies are made and we have fallback positions.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 244 points245 points  (23 children)

Just shows you how moronic SJW and their corporate buddies are. If you want to find Supreme Gentlemen before they start shooting-up coeds, you need to give them somewhere to speak. This was an easily monitored and very policeable place to let these losers rant. Now they will return to their basements and google "how to make weapons" day and night.

[–]squarehead93 102 points103 points  (9 children)

This. Even if you don't wish to preserve the incels sub out of the goodness of your heart, it makes sense to at least give them a safe space/ghetto where they can vent to keep them docile. Afterwords, most of them will return to their hentai, Cheetos and video games.

That being said, incels was basically a giant toxic crab bucket with everyone feeling sorry for each other and pulling themselves down. Most weren't going there to get help, but to feel validated. It's still better than the alternative.

[–]Shaidar__Haran 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I believe the theory is, "let discord handle that shit, we don't want it sullying our image".

At least that's my interpretation.

[–]commander_zoidberg 14 points15 points  (6 children)

I think you would be surprised how few of the genuine incels fit your stereotypes for what an incel is. With the exception of some autism and physical deformity most of us are pretty normal. Lots of codercels, mathscels, pajeets and asiancels. Manlets. An active military or two. I think we had a dozen or so basement dwelling NEETS from a core regular userbase of 100 people. I work full time on shifts and have never lived in a basement, never consumed hentai and find cheetos disgusting. We're just the all singing all dancing unwanted bastard trash of humanity.

[–]squarehead93 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Bullshit. I've seen Asians, Indians, guys on the autism spectrum, short guys, and short Asian/Indian guys who are probably on the spectrum with girlfriends/picking up chicks.

The trick is that most of these guys put themselves out there, don't make excuses, generally try to stay physically fit, practice good hygiene, are well-dressed, and have interesting hobbies. Barring physical deformities or severe autism, I don't think anyone is doomed to die alone.

Is that to say everyone will be Chad, or that some dudes won't have to work hard to get to where other guys have always been? Of course not. I am short, naturally introverted and suspected of having mild Asperger's. I was a late bloomer myself, and didn't have a proper girlfriend until I was in college. But I make a point of going to the gym, being social, cultivating interesting hobbies, and pushing myself out of my comfort zone. Am I getting laid left and right? No, but I've had girlfriends and casual sex.

I do sympathize with incels. I think a lot of them have bad social anxiety and are stuck in negative feedback loops as a result. But the odds of losing your virginity/finding a SO as a former incel are not insurmountable at all. The trick is to take control of every aspect of your life you can control, and that requires a bit of self-awareness, humility, and grit. Nerdy gamer/programmer who is an awkward shut in, doesn't shower, and wears ratty clothes? Yeah, he's gonna struggle. But the gamer/programmer guy who dresses well, stays fit and hygenic, and socializes with people with similar interests? These people almost always find someone. A lot of times they end up dating girls who have the same hobbies and themselves are kind of introverted, and they're happy.

[–]hpboy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

/u/squarehead93 This is 100% true. I'm a former incel. Changed my life around at 23. Got a GF now and still go out twice a week.

[–]1TheDreadnought1[S] 42 points43 points  (1 child)

That's exactly what I thought. This thought these BP guys have about that place being a pressure pan cooking hatred that could explode at any time is dead wrong. Incels are by nature isolated, and if you nuke the (most likely) only place they have to rant and make friends in similar situations, you isolate them even more.

There's nothing more dangerous that a man that has nothing to lose AND is isolated. The true "pressure pan cooking hatred" is their heads, and if you block the "rant valve", explosions will start happening.

[–]Menchstick 13 points14 points  (0 children)

SJWs don't care about solving problems (and even if they did they wouldn't know how), they care about moving them out of their sight.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Perhaps that is what they want. Nothing more useful to the elite than a "problem" to solve.

[–]TheOmnisicient 9 points10 points  (1 child)

They were spreading their poison thou, that sub got very famous way too fast recent months, there are a lot of 14-17 year old kids using reddit a lil bit below average due to puberty whom fell for their trap, that sub was totally dangerous with their rape inducing woman hating mindset with full of suicidal and homicidal suggestions.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 9 points10 points  (0 children)

And you think those kids aren't going to find another venue for this, but one that hides them better? With the dismantling of the social structures that used to support people throughout their life, a lot of these kids think they have absolutely nowhere to go. I'd rather keep an eye on them. I think the FBI would agree.

[–]swagyswaggy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

speech is the alternative to action. wtf do they think is going to happen when they take away the incel's speech??

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They want mass shootings and white supremacist rallies. It confirms their world view and that they are the good guys. The deaths don't matter to them. They will provoke and kick the bees nest again and again until they get a response, then spread photos and videos of that response saying "see! they are planning an uprising! in today;s Aemrica!"

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 43 points44 points  (1 child)

www.TRP.Red is the backup for when Reddit bans TRP, no? Honestly, if they ban us, who cares? We'll just move the community to TRP.Red and hopefully a large part of the weak, purple, socialist community won't follow. Cheers.

[–]ryan_mcdonuts 91 points92 points  (9 children)

I don't see this sub lasting too much longer anyways. Anything remotely against political correctness will eventually be banned on reddit. This has been made awfully clear, as the admins are slowly pruning the 'offensive' subs, not doing it all at once to prevent a major backlash (alt right was previously banned earlier this year, for example). Mens rights and TRP are certainly within the near future.

[–]AlexDr0ps 10 points11 points  (5 children)

In the event that this happens, is there a different website the community will migrate to?

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear 19 points20 points  (4 children)

TRP.RED - I think it has been in the sidebar for a while.

[–]2comment 1 points1 points [recovered]

More importantly, is there a way to backup past content of a specific subreddit? This lost value is what makes community bannings so shitty.

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I believe that was a factor in the project.

[–]broscientologist 60 points61 points  (6 children)

To be honest, it probably isn’t good. Incels always complained that the vast majority of its readers and posters were not actually incels.

In other words, most of the people over there didn’t really believe any of it. They were just allowed in the sandbox because they new how to play by the playground rules.

It was a joke.

Comparison, most of the posters here do take it seriously.

So in other words, if they are willing to silence a comedian for telling a racist joke then they will definitely go after an actual racist.

They don’t see the difference between the two subs. They gladly shut down the one that was a joke.

[–]nattypnutbuterpolice 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Rookie mistake putting Poe's law on a pedestal.

[–]askmrcia 14 points15 points  (4 children)

So if I'm reading this right is this the same as the niceguy sub?

The niceguy sub isn't a sub full of nice guys, but its a sub where people go there to basically make fun of guys complaining about being rejected.

Basically its a whole bunch of memes and posts on facebook where users in that thread just get together and laugh at dudes. Is that the same as Incel?

[–]broscientologist 7 points8 points  (1 child)

There were some people on incel who were, in fact, incel. But the sub count and activity was way higher than that. There is a lot of cross over between these two subs. The difference, mainly, was that most people treated that other sub as a joke.

[–]1TheDreadnought1[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No. Incels was actually populated by, well, incels. They made the posts and moderation, but the sub was just way too much watched by outsiders that didn't agree with anything they said, and just stood there for the lulz and/or for getting proof of how "evil" they were.

[–][deleted] 113 points114 points  (3 children)

Will not change a thing.

Maybe some incels will wander over here, pale little self abused dicks in hand, decrying nofap as the holy grail while their bodypillow anime girlfriend drags behind them in the dirt like Linus' blankie.

They'll quickly realize that this is not the place for them - bullshit tolerance is at a low here right now (shoutout to the mods).

It's like if the motorcycles sub got shut down and their users migrated to the cars sub... Cars would not put up with their "cars are cages" rhetoric any more that a sub discussing sexual strategy will put up with people decrying that no strategy is the strategy.

No mountain, no molehill.

Just another speedbump.

[–]PID1_ 1 points1 points [recovered]

off topic but I find that "cager" pejorative from bikers so fucking stupid. I ride. I drive. The stupid little tribal/cultist mentality is just weak.

[–]backbayguy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

When Harley came out with the "No Cages" line of clothing in 2006, I died a little inside. I was so embarrassed to see it in my local shop.

[–]Ketogainsmongoose 1 points1 points [recovered]

TheRedPill is next on the chopping block.

How is this not stickied!?

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children)

It's just a matter of time honestly. Ever since fatpeoplehate got banned Reddit's stance is pretty clear. They will side with the hivemind and don't give a fuck if what they are doing is wrong or unfair.

[–]Wraeclast_Exile 10 points11 points  (7 children)

I don't understand what incels was all about. Could someone educate me?

[–]WolfofAnarchy 18 points19 points  (6 children)

People not having sex and/or female attention and making their whole existence about how terrible women are.

[–]November-Actual 1 points1 points [recovered]

What's the backup plan when* (not if) TRP gets deleted?

[–]ThunderBuss 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I thought incels was hilarious.

[–]juranomo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Glad I'm not the only one. Calling someone a chad seriously is hilarious for some reason.

[–]purplecabbage 9 points10 points  (1 child)

What I'm having trouble understanding in general is why reddit bans subs at all. If you don't like a sub, don't visit it!

[–]boopdelaboop 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Reddit doesn't want 4chan's (/b/'s to be specific) reputation. They get a lot of celebrities to do AMAs here, for instance. If the reputation would be that Reddit is a cesspool and helps harbor all sorts of bad stuff then Reddit wouldn't get as much good will from celebrities and advertisers anymore.

[–]chauncy_popperstein 90 points91 points  (4 children)

Just keep hammering them down. I hope the mods are up to this... Time for people to be on point. Don't tolerate INCEL bullshit. Don't validate their whiny crap. Just point them at the sidebar and lock their threads.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 44 points45 points  (3 children)

Yup, see some sad fuck posting sad shit hit that report button like it's fine ass walking by (not implying any specific gendered ass obviously).

If they ban this sub thats just good publicity and we have backups.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

If they ban this sub thats just good publicity and we have backups.

A lot of submissions from this subreddit are ranked very good on Google, and many people find them when they start searching for an answer. Banning this subreddit means more people stuck in the Matrix.

[–]rigbed 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That’s how I found reddit to begin with, through this sub.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 30 points31 points  (12 children)

TRP isn't advocating illegal acts towards women. Apparently they were.

[–]ThePantsThief 33 points34 points  (10 children)

According to the rest of Reddit, we advocate for rape. Won't be long before someone finds a close enough example and shows it to the Admins. We could be fucked here.

[–]newls 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Doesn't matter what we actually are, reputation is everything. If that grows to a saturation point then they'll ban us.

Thankfully I doubt that'll ever happen.

Edit: For context it's useful to add this quote from the reddit CEO on a post asking why a certain Trump subreddit hadn't been closed:

Generally the mods of the_donald have been cooperative when we approach them with systematic abuses. Typically we ban entire communities only when the mods are uncooperative or the entire premise of the community is in violation of our policies. In the past we have removed mods of the_donald that refuse to work with us.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They were pretty fucked in the head

[–]Thizzlebot 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Why did it get banned? Was the butthurt too much? I kinda enjoyed reading it. lol

[–]SgtBrutalisk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The official explanation is "violating policy against violent content", which could mean literally anything. Threats of violence? Gore images? Naturally, it's very easy to have a blue pill cabal infiltrate the moderator ranks and start allowing such content, leading to what seems like a natural end of a subreddit.

[–]eggAMA 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have to say, incels was how I found TRP. I was linked to incels from an askreddit thread about most despicable subreddits, and like many people I was appalled by what I saw. It did make me feel a lot better about myself though. The next day, I looked at it again, and I saw on the sidebar they said "This is not theredpill" and I clicked out of curiosity. The rest is history

[–]SilverGryphon 14 points15 points  (4 children)

I'm an incel myself but I won't ever come in and poison this sub. While the sub had it's extremes, I was quite pleased with some of the blackpill experiments that they made. It's true that looks matter as they endlessly said in that sub, but as a redpiller I know that such looks can usually be improved upon with enough work.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Looks matter and I enjoyed those posts. But that was never the takeaway I took from that. The takeaway was women's level of hypocrisy regarding what they say and what they do. They would happily fuck a pedo because he was hot. But they spend all day crying about 'morality' trying to control people to their tune.

I'll always remember /u/Heathcliff-- 's post where he fucked a girl off TBP. She knew exactly who he was and what he stood for (even exaggerating it) but she couldn't let a Chad pass her up. It was a great experiment in proving how malleable women are and how little what they say and 'believe' means. Yes, all because of looks. But don't forget the importance of frame here. Frame truly is the most important aspect in attraction.

[–]1GreenPiller 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The black pills were awesome.

[–]Son0fSun 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Incel stands for involuntary celibate.

It was a group of men who were incapable of having sex with women. Many wallowed in their own self pity and began wishing and advocating the taking of violent action against women. The mods did not remove the offending content and refused to work with the Reddit admins and it was banned.

That being said, TRP does not actively advocate violence against women and even if people do, the mods work to remove it. As long as that continues to be the case, this sub is fine.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Other than some angry vitrol when dudes wake up going through the anger phase, what's the problem with TRP?

Lift, read, mindset, understanding, strategy, sidebar....

Making little snowflakes uncomfortable isn't a banable offence...

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

And if it eventually is, Reddit is already lost; and Aaron Swartz will be rolling over in his grave.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I think they'll migrate to FA or mensrights before they come here.

[–]SonnyisKing 6 points7 points  (1 child)

fuck the haters, that sub was funny as fuck and had great content.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

funny in the same sense that watching somebody get KOed by stepping on a rake is funny

[–]Wilreadit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

TRP will get banned in the future. How soon or how late will be upto how bad the admins suck the dicks of SJWs and foxy females.

You all have swallowed the pill. Now get your chutes packed. Be ready to bail.

[–]Drezzzire 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I think it's stupid that their sub got banned.

Where's the fucking freedom of speech.

So feminists can still have their ridiculous shit up but some losers who can't get laid can't have their corner too?

Fuck Reddit

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (6 children)

I don't know exactly why they got banned, but it's not too hard to guess. We come down pretty hard on incels around here. I don't see it being too much of a problem.

I also have all my favorite RP threads saved, full web pages, to my local machine. Even if the sub was nuked, I for one am RP'd.

[–]2Sepean 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This is some relevant tidbits from TBP about possibly getting TRP banned. Basically we’re good unless we and the especially the mods go off the deep end

I was in contact with the reddit administration giving them proof that incels should be banned. Heres the deal, they wont ban a community for simply having rapey posts. You need to prove that the mods themselves are breaking the rules. If you can show that the mods are blatantly not taking down posts that break the rules, they will receive a warning and be told to do their jobs basically (which happened to r incels previously) IF the mods STILL won't take down these posts within a reasonable time frame (leaving a post on the front page for 24 hours and then taking it down is still breaking the rules) then a sub can be banned


Unfortunately, I saw elsewhere that r incels was banned not for its advocacy of government-sponsored rape slavery, but rather because of a post in which the sub's members discussed castrating OP's roommate.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I might be the tinfoil-hat person right now, but i wouldn't trust this information 100%. It seems likely true, but you cannot use rational thinking with the hate speech ideology in the current age.

[–]WhorehouseVet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Is the Reddit admin doing a purge of subs that are not BP friendly? One of my favorite subs where I source medicine got banned too. I'd be watching out what else will be banned.

Maybe T_D will be next.

[–]reddttt 5 points6 points  (2 children)

There was a guy there that actually tattooed "incel" on his dick. No joke.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 2 points3 points  (1 child)

some people really are just too fucking dumb to reproduce smh

[–]azevedro 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don’t read it but I can sympathize with them and it’s very unjustified. Sometimes they just need a place for support and to rant. Why the fuck did they get banned?

[–]Hjalmbere 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nutters at incels aside, the people who shut that sub down are SJWs, and SJWs always lie. Mark my word, they’ll not just rest on their laurels.

They’re coming for this sub, The Donald, your jokes, PUAs and anything else they deem offensive(everything).

[–]aBetterNation 56 points57 points  (14 children)

its so fucking annoying that the left always wants to censor everything.

just fuck off and stop eating you fat fucks and maybe enjoy life.

[–]LeftHookTKD 41 points42 points  (4 children)

Both the far left and far right are BS

[–]nattypnutbuterpolice 12 points13 points  (5 children)

It's my understanding they got banned for advocating domestic violence. If this place ever turned into that I'd want it banned, too.

[–]Htowngetdown 13 points14 points  (1 child)

But a few users don’t speak for an entire sub. By these ridiculous rules we could literally pick a target sub, attack it with “illegal” content and voila! Subreddit ban for breaking site rules regarding “hate speech” incoming

[–]nattypnutbuterpolice 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The popular opinion there was that women are subhuman. I'm not sure why you think advocating violence against them would be difficult to believe.

[–]1GreenPiller 4 points5 points  (1 child)

They actually made some good points, they were kinda Pre-TRP. Some might move here, but most of them will probably go to 4chan. Thousands of incels on the loose sounds really scary.

[–]noethe99 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What's the plan if they ban us next?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Migrate to trp.red site. Everyone. Better to leave alone then to be banned - reddit for a long time is not free speech site. I am not even sure if sub like trp belong here.

Be prepared..any kind of speech that does not support current narrative will become just deep web matter. We are moving back in time.

In 5 years we will be talking through anonyme browsers and encrypted communication.

[–]GlubGlubMotherfucker 3 points4 points  (1 child)

As a person who dislikes TRP, even I think that incels was infinitely worse.

[–]ModRedSovereign 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Reddit has never been fond of us. That said, we've taken measures to avoid their ire. They're not likely to come for us.

As RPS noted however, backup forums are here: https://www.forums.red/i/

[–]Cur1osityC0mplex 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Ok, my post was removed for linking to TBP, but again--to repost...they are already on the front page of TBP talking about now is the time to strike TRP--so be on your best behaviour...

[–]LordStoffelstein 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I'm worried about this as well. I've seen the same comments, comparing TRP to incels. Which is ridiculous to say the least. I don't know what their hamster wheels are spinning to convince themselves we are the same as those people

[–]king_of_red_alphas 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s the anger toward and demonization of women. If you don’t think that goes on here you are delusional.

I’m not for a second saying this sub should be banned as it is very easy to point out the positive aspects on this sub (mental and physical health, grooming, etc)

I literally can’t think of one redeeming aspect of incels, which itself isn’t enough to ban it.

But when you see them whipping themselves into violent circle jerks and fantasizing about hurting women, well - it’s a pretty damn easy decision if the mods just let that shit go.

[–]CptFizz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Good. Every banned sub is another nail in reddits coffin. Mainstream reddit can't die soon enough.

[–]cookin_breakfast 1 points1 points [recovered]

Incels were real as fuck even if they were whiny bitches. I honestly learned the subtleties of what makes someone attractive that I was just too stupid to pin down on my own. It was a negative feed back loop browsing that sub, but damn they exposed the cold hard truths of human interaction for me. Not just for attraction, but in everyday common place interactions. Getting mogged, realizing the halo effect, all of these things I used to hamster away until the black pill opened my eyes. Now I can acknowledge when these things are happening to me, laugh about it, and repress it. It's completely ripped away the sympathy and blue pill tendencies I used to have. I think it made me a stronger person wrestling with the cold hard bitter truth for a few months.

[–]ovrload 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same. It opened my eyes about the world a lot even though some of it went a little too far.

[–]BillSander 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't reddit other than here... had no idea there actually was an incels sub.

[–]blackedoutfast 4 points5 points  (0 children)

incels mainly got banned because they actively went out and tried to spread their cancer in other subs and annoyed the fuck out of everyone.

[–]poonGopher6969 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's fucking stupid, incels was the male equivalent of twoXXchromosomes. I loved peering into that shitfest.

[–]Starfuckingman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If they closed trp, I honestly have no idea where to go to get the same quality content. I mean don't get me wrong, there are other places but trp is the headquarters to me. The comments discussions here are just so goddamn precious.

[–]kekthesnek 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This sub is on the chopping block for sure

[–]king_of_red_alphas 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Does anybody believe that place wasn’t a breeding ground for the next Sodini or Rodger?

For fucks sake they openly worshipped those guys and actively encouraged others to go further.

If that’s not ban worthy, what is?

[–]NormalAndy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They really should legalize prostitution if they want to banish incels. These guys could get laid and Harvey Weinstein could have got a reciept- win win.

[–]fuck_da_haes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One of them suggested castration of "Chad" roommate while using crack so he cannot pass out from pain. Mods left it, it was actual, serious suggestion ... fuck that sub, good riddance. If they want to be sad, pathetic losers, fine by me, but they stepped over the line big time.

[–]Zepplin01[🍰] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

TRP and incels are actually very similar in some ways. We both often understand the truth about female psychology and the sort. The real difference between us and them is instead of whining about it, we accept how women are and behave and use that to our advantage. On the other hand, incels only whine about how unfair the world is towards them and promote hatred of women.

[–]mikeys_legendary 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I can't see them banning TRP. There's no hate here, we don't post videos of people getting harassed.

[–]aga080 5 points6 points  (3 children)

i had to look up what "incel" meant

i guess i'm a voncel because currently I am voluntarily celibate

[–]Appraisal-CMA 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I’ve never commented on TRP before, but there’s been a few posts in recent weeks which have almost caused me to do so. The one user who had a great Alpha v Beta v Sigma v Omega analysis/comparison I found very interesting. This is finally the straw that broke the camels back.

There’s a lot of vitriol directed towards TRP currently. I’m not certain of the exact reason, I could hazard a few guesses, but I’ll not bore anyone with my conjecture. I was reading the post on the banning of Incel and everyone’s really whooping it up over there. It was until I started seeing comments comparing TRP to Incels, that I felt it necessary to speak. There’s a giant echo chamber of misinformation and falsehoods happing. It’s literally an emotional rollercoaster with each person saying I feel this way or I feel that way, without any basis in reality or experience with what they speak of. Basically anyone who doesn’t buy a ticket to their dog and pony show, can just fuck right the hell off.

Instead of doing some research and trying to understand other points of view, there’s a lynch mob forming, pitchforks, torches, bad teeth and all. I’ll not deliberately antagonize the mob into killing TRP, but I’ll also not stand idly by and watch something worthwhile be destroyed to sate their desire for more blood.

I’m not red pilled currently, nor is it likely that I’ll ever truly be. I digest the knowledge, accepting what works for me in my current life, discarding what does not. I’ll not pretend to be something I’m not in order for acceptance. I’m just an old school pickup guy, who was introduced to that stuff the year after college, as I had to figure out how to get laid in the real world. I wandered in here because of the obvious parallels in this community to my own quest for knowledge. This place is different than Incel. It’s not even comparable. Yes, certain things that are discussed here, can be off putting and even I can have trouble digesting those ideas/terms. However, TRP (to me) is about self-improvement. Hell yeah, there’s tough love (crap gets called crap pretty quick around here, too quick sometimes maybe, but whatever), but there’s also compassion and a profound level of respect for intelligent conversation. Everyone’s here for a reason, the more experienced among us having gone through exactly what drove the newer people here in the first place. TRP doesn’t advocate those horrid Incel ideas or defeatism. TRP motivates. TRP is about success, not failure (even failing 1000 times can lead to 1 great victory). TRP is about quality, quality posts, quality comments, quality discussion. TRP is full of people doing exactly the same thing I am, working hard on improving. There’s no blame on women here, merely a look in the mirror, objective analyzation of the situation, recalibration, making of another attempt, trying a different tactic, and ultimately triumphing over adversity.

It would be sad to have TRP die, as this is a good place for discussion and growth. Let’s think on this, if TRP pisses this many people off, we must be doing something right. However, I’m not overly concerned, if death happens we will meet again in other dusty corners of the internet friends. We will continue to go in search of knowledge and we will gather again once we find it. People like us always do.

[–]wickedogg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've always thought that the main problem for incels is that they believe there is something special about sex that makes it different from any other type of transaction and subject to some kind of magic rather than just the same considerations that go into any other sale or contract. Sure, when you are selling different products the psychology is different, but you are still just making a sale and you need to follow the same steps.

No particular woman owes any man sex any more than they owe it to someone to buy a new vacuum or a set of Encyclopedias.

I like to believe that TRP approach takes facts and evidence into account and that when studies com out providing a new perspective or new information, the belief structure changes to accommodate the new evidence.

[–]Bicit 19 points20 points  (17 children)

I agree. It's about time TRP act true to their ideology. This sub should be about the traits of men seen in a positive light. TRP is to promote personalities which tend to develop from males as something to be proud of.

These personalities tend to be more masculine, dominant, in charge, due to testosterone. However TRP should support males who simply feel more passive. But above all is the importance of self confidence.

None of this is to conflict with ACTUAL feminism. Women deserve every equal right men do. I never suggest to anyone the world is fair. Women are physically weaker, so maybe they need to work harder if they want to be a hard laborer; but they're of equal intelligence.

So long as TRP doesn't go down the path of the angry incel, it should be fine. But the mods need to be extra vigilant during these times.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 30 points31 points  (12 children)

TRP is not an idology, it's not a philosophy, and it's not an identity.

It's a strategy guide

[–]sneakyMak 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nothing the mods cant deal with so I dont really see a problem with this. Actually I think its a good thing cause that sub had the potential to demoralize and poison countless young minds.

[–]1nrokchi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

By comparison, we're pretty much Men's AMA. That sub was miserable, misanthropic, and whiny. Still, what made it exceptionally worse, were the constant comments involving threatening rape, abuse, torture, and a still-long list of graphic, uninvited acts against women.

We might have a few unpopular opinions here, but we have decent discussion which does not immediate devolve into rape threats on the regular. It was a cesspool of self-perpetuating frustration. Here, we give ways to get better.

In short, no risk.

[–]mcjustmatt[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I treat my girlfriend like a princess. This sub helps me do that. So, duck off to anime

[–]SlickShadyyy 2 points3 points  (11 children)

Multiple people on TwoX were discussing how this step wasn't far enough, and how TRP is an example of another 'misogynistic' sub in need of deletion

[–]BlackFallout 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't understand how those idiots think we hate women. We are here because we love women. TRP lets men better themselves and understand and know how to interact with women. It lets us know what women want and how to give it to them without degrading ourselves.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 2 points3 points  (0 children)

More mods. And this is probably a controversial suggestion, but if it ever got really bad, you could use TRP as a feeder sub to a private sub and only invite constructive people. Just thinking out-screen here.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If TRP got banned, Reddit would be making a statement against free speech. We do not advocate anything illegal here. I think it would be such a huge deal they would dare not touch it. Then the other side of me thinks if shut down, people would never cry out against Reddit for fear of being ostracized as a misogyny supporter. And that feminine primacy is much worse than I thought. But I still strongly believe TRP will not get banned.

[–]S0maCruz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

banning containment subs, nice job idiots

[–]LeftStep22 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think this subreddit should be shut down next.

[–]Throwawaysteve123456 10 points11 points  (9 children)

They shouldn't have banned incels, they should have sent a fucking team from the FBI to investigate as many one of these losers as possible. Some of the shit I've read on that sub is deeply disturbing. I'm sure they could prevent a lot of future shootings from that shit.

[–]arturowise 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The black pill (incels) is not compatible with TRP, so don't be afraid of actual incels migrating here

[–]Rudeyyyy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Accept the ones who are willing to learn and try to better themselves and ban the ones who only troll and insult without trying to take in any advice or help. Problem solved.

[–]banjew 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Please do a backup of the most important articles and the sidebar. This forum will be banned. Hell, look at an article today on newsweek about a chinese hacker, sexycyborg. She went crazy against a "powerful white man" (not even rape or abuse, he wrote some tweets to her) and she named "the red pill" as a cause for her discrimination.

Make no mistake, this site will be banned. It only takes a couple of enraged feminists or SJW to bring it down.

Make a backup! share it!

[–]TheLaughingRhino 1 points1 points [recovered]

Generally when something gets canned like this, it's usually for reasons of potential legal liability or projecting future bad PR in general.

People start offing themselves and it links back to Reddit in any way, that's not good. It opens up unpleasant social and legal questions.

People get triggered to do something violent to people other than themselves and it links back to Reddit in some way, even indirectly, even if it's just a perception issue, it opens up, again, unpleasant social and legal questions.

Go to the average American public school, like a high school or midle school, and it's easy to say, "These rules are stupid" But look at it from the shoes of the people in charge (Yes, some of them are actually stupid, but many are just trying to get by in a social structure/culture they can't control) While it's dumb to do X and Y and Z to not get sued, they are just trying to keep the doors open the lawyers away.

How it applies to TRP and the manosphere is just keeping things above reproach. Free speech is one thing , I get that, but anything construed towards violence to others/violence to self/public harm, that can't even be joked about. I wish it was different, but not in todays PC society.

[–]kelvin_condensate 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That’s utter bullshit. Reddit isn’t responsible for the content of their users. Reddit didn’t ban that sub over any legal reason and did it because they ban subs they don’t like. If a sub gets too ‘toxic,’ they ban it.

Justifying censorship is pure stupidity. Gtfo with that shill mindset. Mainstream Reddit has already destroyed its social image as being the ultimate cucks and betas censoring those they disagree with, imposing anti-brigading rules for subs they don’t like while allowing those subs to be brigaded.

The pattern is clear, and it has nothing to do with what you said.

[–]4angrydragons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The mods here have to control the message.

[–]F_Dingo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't believe there will be any effect for us be it positive or negative. Generally if someone from that subreddit winds down here they're looking to get out of the situation they are in. Hell, many of the people on this subreddit are sexually incelibate and are working to get sexually active.

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