Red Pill Theory15 Things I've Learned Over the Last 53 Years (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by coco5440

Meta Rule: Be a narcissistic jerk -- or at least act like one -- even if it's not your nature. This facilitates everything else.

  1. Take care of yourself first!!! You cannot count on anyone -- especially any romantic interest -- to stick by you if you get sick or lose your job. Therefore, do everything in your power to make sure you stay fit, healthy, and gainfully employed.

  2. Women rate 80% of guys as being below average aesthetically (OKC survey). Therefore, do whatever it takes to get into and remain in the top 20%. Exercise and diet are priorities. If you have to "cheat" do so. weight loss surgery, TRP, cosmetic surgery, do what you have to.

  3. Don't slack off even if you're in a LTR. She'll expect you to ignore her physical decline but she sure as fuck won't ignore yours. Going to the gym is actually more important for guys in LTRs -- they have more to lose.

  4. Don't play her game -- being a strong male is way more important than cheap romantic gestures. She wants a strong Alpha not a fat sick Beta with roses.

  5. Do not invest in any relationship with a woman until she proves she's worthy.

  6. If she's externally motivated run! If she's excessively concerned about what her friends, colleagues, and acquaintances think she's not relationship material. This type of girl is expensive and never satisfied.

  7. It's a good thing for a woman to have goals. However, talk is cheap, if a woman is all talk and hasn't actually executed she's not relationship material. Getting what you want takes work and sacrifice. If she has a history of not putting in the work and not enduring the requisite sacrifice to reach her stated goals she's not worth your time, effort, or investment.

  8. Stay away from damaged women. If she's been abused and/or traumatized be empathetic but write her off as a serious prospect. Cold for sure but very important for self-preservation.

  9. If her mother is an objectionable person run. If her mother is a dishonest, grasping, materialistic objectionable person run faster. We all know where this item is going.

  10. If she claims to be nothing like her mother look for proof that she is indeed different. DON'T JUST TAKE HER WORD FOR IT!!! The proof must encompass a very significant amount of time and must involve serious effort on her part.

  11. Stay away from women who claim they're "not like those other bitches". She's most likely either lying or deluding herself. If she has a history of being dishonest, greedy, and self centered she's just like those other bitches (if not worse).

  12. Stay away from women who are always making excuses. Life requires effort to overcome obstacles. If she has a history of being derailed by minor obstacles she's not relationship material. This is especially true if she's otherwise smart and, therefore, could have, with a little effort, easily negotiated her way around or over life's little obstacles. Examples; (a) gets taken to the cleaners at the used car dealership because she never had a father to teach her how to buy a car -- especially bad when she works just two blocks from a Barnes & Noble with many good books on how to buy a used car -- and let's not forget the internet; (b) never finished college because her family wasn't supportive and didn't go back even though advancement in her chosen career absolutely requires a 4 year degree at the very least -- especially bad when the degree she needs can be obtained online through a number of reputable universities (good state schools).

  13. No agency or execution. If she only takes advantage of opportunities that fall into her lap she's not relationship material. Individuals need to act -- if you have a goal it's on you to take the action necessary to reach it. If the only reason she got an AA is because her welfare social worker told her it was either that or get a minimum wage job run. If she started a degree completion program through her employer but never followed up on her own when budget cuts terminated the program run.

  14. If she has a history of substance abuse run! Even an eating disorder counts. If she can't control what she puts into her body how can she be trusted with anything.

  15. If you want a Norman Rockwell life you have to choose a woman with deeply ingrained middle class values (i.e. internally motivated, strong work ethic, truly values honesty, willing to delay gratification ...). If her ghetto or trailer park background is just below the surface she's not relationship material.

[–]OPWills 702 points703 points  (23 children)

I'm really loving these posts where experienced, seasoned men detail lessons learned and offer advice in this format. Thanks for sharing. I hope others will continue to do so.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 64 points65 points  (2 children)

Agreed. I'm no youngster either, it's interesting comparing notes.

The recent ones have been spot on with my experience.

[–]TyrannosaurusKekz 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Youngster here; they've been spot on with mine as well.

[–]1BadDayAway 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I definitely want to see more of these.

[–]MayTerrance 1 points1 points [recovered]

Liked this post overall, and agree.

One bit to note is that in feminist America, some women can be overtly “independent” / possess too strong a frame to be LTR material at first. They are still easy to realign them to your frame and mission of course, if you have RP / alpha mentality, but if you are too weak or fail to do this, you will pay the price eventually.

If anything, a high value female as an LTR target should be more supportive and nurturing than independent per say.

[–]shaggyctes88 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You can see these days a lot of "career women" having extreme difficulty to find a partner due to being picky and lazy at the same time.

[–]coin_pwr 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I never get sick of reading these because they are great reminders.

[–]HopeFarmer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We don't really know who OP is and it would be silly to care. What matters is that the advice is clear and practical and that it resonates with you. If you weight any advice more highly just because it comes from someone who claims to be old or experienced, you risk getting bogged down in useless bullshit. This is a good post with some non obvious and pretty self evidently valid heuristics for evaluating women. It also implicitly provides some scales to evaluate yourself and the people you associate with so it nicely combines general self improvement with sexual strategy. When I read posts like this I test them for genuine quality by imagining the same message coming from a 20 year old virgin or something to make sure the ideas are good and not just the tone or ethos.

Edit: typo

[–]SugarlessCrystals 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes experienced advice is golden

[–]Shift_Tex 90 points91 points  (1 child)

Man you know I messed up when almost all of these apply to my previous LTR

[–]Schwaggaccino 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same. Mine abused the shit out of rule 6 and 7. Used me when it was in her benefit and then moved on. Still miserable and depressed. Posting shit on Instagram to remind others that she happy and rich. Lost on the inside, no interests, no long term friends.

[–]Rodion-Raskolnikov 67 points68 points  (10 children)

I’m 46. Every point checks out 100%. I wish I had TRP 25 years ago, my life would have been very different. To the young guys reading this, PAY ATTENTION it’s the fucking truth.

[–]1Entropy-7 22 points23 points  (4 children)

I turned 51 about 30 minutes ago. I have had to learn all this shit from scratch. I am not bitter or anything; I just pay it forward.

The younger guys here should have some concept of having a quarter-million other men to chit chat with.

[–]lifeonlockdown 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I'm only about two months older than you and I agree, this place is a goldmine. I grew up without a father around, and I wish this existed when I was a kid. Priceless.

[–]infernoimp 92 points93 points  (5 children)

A lot of these rule are about women.

While some of the points are good, it should also be made clear (as if it already isn't) that women should be an addition to your life, not the focus of it.

[–]pohw 1 points1 points [recovered]

Why does any person reading TRP think that anyone on TRP is making women to focus of their life? Why the fuck does this "don't make them the focus of your life" sentiment get thrown around so much? Literally no one is ever saying that women should be the goddamn focus of your life.

[–]Snakysharky 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Because new guys fall into that trap easily.

[–]DodgedAFew 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Did not you read the point where OP suggested surgery?

[–]blarggggggggggg 125 points126 points  (11 children)

7 is the red flag i missed. Wanted to be a professional artist. Changed schools twice. Dropped out one semester before graduation cause of money (excuse) was already making money at galleries anyway (lie) and just needed to get on her feet in a new city (sponge off me, never look for work, never take her portfolio around to galleries).

I loved her and I was right there, buying her excuses and making them for her too.

Keep you eyes open and don't believe shit anybody says until you see their true actions.

I was dumb and honestly thought everyone is like me, hardworking and dedicated (my own solipsism), just some caught breaks others didnt.

What a fool that boy was.

[–]coco5440[S] 57 points58 points  (1 child)

Join the club. I totally missed it too. It feels terrible when you realize what a chump you've been (or at least I did).

[–]youngzari 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Trust me bro, it still stings. Experience is the best teacher, though.

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"What a fool that boy was."

Who among us can't say the same? So glad I found TRP, or I still would be.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 36 points37 points  (4 children)

As a rule of thumb, women suck at being artists. Being an artist requires years of practicing and studying the craft, loneliness, depression, self-loathing, daily grind and hardwork etc until you rech a point of mastery. It's hardly fun because with each improvement you make you realize how much more you actually suck. Women just want the benefits, and try everything to avoid the process. That's why most of them suck and most of the rest ar mediocre at best.

[–]DodgedAFew 21 points22 points  (2 children)

That's how modern art was invented.

[–]X-Trem0 9 points10 points  (2 children)

What a fool that boy was.

That boy was the raw you. Now you've developed to something else...

Never regret your actions as

1) you may have forgotten the reasons you had to take them but be sure they're the best decisions you could make with the information you had.

2) what you are is the results of all those years of fucking up. You learn and that's the whole point.

I know we are all aware of this but just a friendly reminder.


[–]coco5440[S] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

I edited the original post to remove the steroid reference. Upon reflection that wasn't good advice.

[–]Shariabluew 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I find it ironic in our society and culture that they are pushing for hormone therapy for individuals transitioning genders and are even pushing it on children.

Yet testosterone and steroid use intended for men engaged in lifting or sports activities is shamed and ridiculed.

We truly live in a backwards era. It is becoming clear that the west worships women as their new gods and we are now reaping the rewards of this belief system, namely: millions of aborted fetuses, hordes of military aged men from dirt world countries invading and colonizing land and pussy, rapes and more crime, debt, and civil and social unrest.

[–]chaseemall 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't think you should have listened to the moralists who were criticizing you.

Steroids have always been on-topic discussion on here. They have generally been considered good to use for seasoned lifters, but bad for young/inexperienced lifters, and many of our EC's--GLO, Illimitable Man, etc.--have explicitly written on the topic of steroids: when to use, how to use, etc.

[–]Sylvester_Sterone 12 points13 points  (0 children)

But if you have low "Normal" testosterone... perhaps it is best to consider TRT.

[–]iamtheswoop 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Na man, I knew exactly what you were talking about when you said "cheat". you are just following a law of power. Always say less than is necessary.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hormone management is no different than a diet. Everything in moderation.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 66 points67 points  (3 children)

Don't play her game -- being a strong male is way more important than cheap romantic gestures. She wants a strong Alpha not a fat sick Beta with roses.

I'm 52 and I feel damn lucky that I grew up in the 70s in a dangerous part of a bad town in middle America, because (I only see now!) that I never trusted anybody and all of these came naturally to me, except the one quoted above, in a way.

After a couple of years in a LTR, I subconsciously thought okay, I guess we're together now, I guess I should start acting a little nicer, a little more mature. WRONG! Just being nice and doing things for her almost torpedoed the entire relationship. She hated it! It took me a while to figure out she wasn't interested in a "normal reciprocal equal relationship" IE a Blue Pilled idea.

This was years ago, way before TRP. Just fucking lucky I could see with my own eyes.

[–]untonyto 17 points18 points  (1 child)

It's things like these that keep me on this sub, how TRP works counter-intuitively compared with blue pill doctrines. "Treat her special = endanger the relationship". Sounds dumb, but experience bears it out. Unless you are caught in the mutually delusive Beta Bucks con game where treating her nice is the one activity.

[–]X-Trem0 7 points8 points  (0 children)

counter-intuitively compared with blue pill doctrines.

Funny wise is counter-intuitively only because you've (all of us) been bombarded with blue pill shit your all life.

[–]slutsocks 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Any examples of what nice things you did and how you acted before you started to be nice? I am having the same problem.

[–]willcb923 17 points18 points  (3 children)

I love how often he says "run"

[–]Xoramung 22 points23 points  (2 children)

coz running can keep you fit.

[–]NullIsUndefined 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Interesting, a lot of these are good traits in well disciplined men. I was not so sure how much to care about these in women.

[–]coco5440[S] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I've always hoped that women could exhibit good traits too. I'm getting used to disappointment.

[–]1ozaku7 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I have learned number 6 the hard way. It was all about what others think in whatever she does. She was also the type that couldn't do anything right or succeed, was full of fears and needed to please anyone. She would also just expect anything to fall on her lap because she was too afraid to take on anything that required taking risk.

In the end, when I broke up with her, I still visited her family one more time as a goodbye effort. Her sisters and parents were welcoming, understanding and totally fine about the entire break up, and in the end her own mother said something along the lines of "she is still a fucking child". Incredible, I'm still welcome to visit them once in a while for coffee, even when I made their daughter/sister an emotional wreck that cried for an entire month.

[–]JFMX1996 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Shit like that makes me laugh, man.

Remember I had a similar situation. Was 19, dated an 18 year old. Kicked it off really well with her family, earned the father's respect (former USMC officer for decades), as well as the mothers, and the sisters.

Shit went real south with the relationship with their daughter, and the parents just felt so disillusioned and even told me about it, that I deserved better.

Kind of funny when the parents themselves can admit a kid is kind of fucked like "yeah...she still has a lot of maturing to do".

I dodged a bullet though because the girl has very terrible dating cycles. I still run into and see the family on occasions and will talk a lot with them, we just keep the daughter ignorant.

[–]1ozaku7 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My brother broke up with his GF because she was all the time using her dead mother as an excuse. It's not like it all happened all of a sudden, she had cancer and it was only a year later when she died and everyone knew. Besides that, she would always say "But my mom is dead!", even when she wanted to go to the beach or whatever. She was really milking the death of her mother dry until just dust came out. Brother calls it quits, then her dad comes up to our house, and teaches my brother a thing or two, like that he was too nice with his daughter and he should have called her out on her fucking shit and that he deserves better than that emotional wreck.

We stood speechless, we just listened in awe.

[–][deleted] 76 points77 points  (11 children)

  • “not externally motivated, has goals, always making excuses, middle class values, no agency, never finished college, dishonest, greedy”

Now let’s just pretend for a moment that such a woman exists (hint - they don’t) you forgot to put in:

  • “has not slobbered on and had 50+ penises stuck into her”

As far as I am aware modern women who are HB7 or above have one thing in common (along with all your other red flags) and that is the CC. I don’t even disagree with your post but your post basically describes a unicorn. Even if you do find one of these mythical creatures then she will soon enough expose herself as a nag with a fake horn, or she will ride off into the sunset with another swinging dick one day. Even if she did stay, you will not want to fuck her after she turns 50.

Posts like these encourage readers with the fake disney belief in unicorns and happily ever after. There is no such thing. Every dude on earth has to accept that his woman will be sub par and have red flags, she is not yours it is just your turn. The woman who has your list of characteristics does not exist in modern times and probably never existed. Humans are not monogamous and the blue pill is a lie.

[–]coco5440[S] 59 points60 points  (1 child)

You're most likely correct. I thought the woman I married was a unicorn -- I ignored all the warning signs -- and, yes, she did indeed ride off into the sunset with a far richer guy (who I'm sure she'll cheat on since he's a Beta type specimen).

To quote Soul Asylum -- I may never get what I want, but I'm happy to die trying ... . And land many subpar women in the process -- I'll just make sure not to marry one again.

[–]redrummilf 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I used to travel alot in the states for work before the social media revolution. Almost every place I went to if I ever met women out and about when they found out I was in town temporarily and had a hotel room near by many wanted to come over and "hang out" at the room. They asked not me. Me: "Oh I'm married" her: "Oh thats ok. I'm (married/have boyfriend). Its just hanging out." I never did it. But yeah right just hanging out. I'm no alpha. If a woman can get away with not being found out by their social circle they will jump on the strange dick just for kicks.

[–]Lawojin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Id take a girl who has ridden the CC but fullfills the positive point above (and not fullfills the negatives mentioned there) for an (open) LTR. Youre not her first and wont be her last dick, so why not enjoy her sexual experience and gained skillset? If she fullfills the point above she might actually be cool to hang arround with after sex. Being virgin is overrated anyway, the sex probably will suck.

[–]samenrofringslikeLBJ 1 points1 points [recovered]

I would append that list with

  • If she has crossed the gender/race/social lines for sexual gratification then only plate her.

Not because racism or homophobia, but because women who also had sex with other women or a specific color of man are themselves tribal and uncivilized. They fetishize color and demonstrate a lack of impulse control. Same goes for women who go "slumming" or hunting rich guys, it masks some messed up parts on the inside.

  • If she has had any form of group sex , plate her.

Again, lack of impulse control. Sexual access to a woman should be gated behind requirements of high SMV. If anybody can tap it simultaneously, not only will she never be happy with just 1, she also has low self esteem and personal issues.

[–]Losingsteamfast 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I think you should reword that. I think what you're trying to say is it's a red flag if she wants to "try out" specific races. Like she's not trying to find a good man but has a bucket list and just wants to check off sleep with a black, white, Mexican, and asian just to say she did it.

It's coming across more as next anyone who has dated outside their own race.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think the paragraph is pretty clear on that, i wrote "for sexual gratification" as in women who actively look for certain skin color to fuck. Obviously, if a woman has had a serious LTR then who gives a fuck, but I'm talking about being carefull around women who just hook up across different divisions, because those women have A) very weird values and are borderline racist B) are actively trying to break a social taboo, it is like daddy issues only with society.

[–]MGTOWManofMystery 44 points45 points  (25 children)

  1. Never, ever, ever get married.

[–]anotherent 13 points14 points  (18 children)

hmm...considering proposing to my current girlfriend but i assume nobody here will encourage me to do so

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

you should if you think that's what you want to do. but before you do, just find & watch this movie online.

if afterwards you still think it's the right thing to do, then go for it

[–]Losingsteamfast 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I watched that a while back. It's nuts especially if you have kids. Basically you spend 1-2 years slogging through court. You end up having to sell half your assets to pay court costs. Then whatever is left gets split up 60-70% for her and 30-40% for him. And then the guy has to cut her a check once a month for "quality of life"

Kobe Bryant had one if the best divorce lawyers on the planet and he had to give her half of the $150 million net worth he built by himself. Then the courts decided that poor Mrs. Bryant needed more because how are you supposed to raise 2 kids with only 75 million dollars and three mansions? Kobe has to pay millions a year on top of that inutial settlement.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Do it if you want kids.

It you don't then there's literally no other reason to get married.

I'm going to propose in a year or so to a woman I've been with for 9 years and want to have children with. She's very feminine, understands the captain/1st mate dynamic and will be able to work part time while raising the children and work full time for more money when the kids are in school.

[–]banjew 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I have a kid and never married. We lived together several years, legally is very similar, but no divorce lawyers or any of that shit. I just walked out.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I just walked out.

I think one of the points of marriage is you go into it knowing you won't walk out. Jordan Peterson changed my perception of marriage. I believe when you go into it knowing this is it, you can raise children with security and stability.

[–]banjew 5 points6 points  (1 child)

you go into it knowing you won't walk out.

This is so unthinkable in modern relationship that I can't even process it. How you can be so sure when you have literally hundreds of men constantly msging all womens on whasapp/telegram/whatever. I believe marriage was great, but its for older times.

[–]furcryingoutloud 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yeah, don't. I know you may think it might be the right thing to do. But in today's society, it is perfectly possible to have a LTR, kids, family, and damn near the whole package without having to sign that paperwork.

As well, getting married is fine if you are sentient enough to make sure that you keep enough aside to rebuild your life if and when she decides to rip it out of your chest. If you have a nest egg, house, friends, possibilities of continuing your own life, then marriage is not a threat. It is when you give up your life to live hers that it becomes a terrible problem.

Since no man is capable of doing this right and correctly, (the system is designed specifically to avoid this happening), the logical conclusion is, never marry.

[–]Shariabluew 3 points4 points  (0 children)

don't do it, read my other post on this thread.

here's a mind experiment for you to consider:

pretend that you tell your girl tomorrow that you have no money or prospects in the near future for your career. tell her that all the money you do have is given to you from your parents and that you have nothing to your name. imagine what her reaction would be to this news.

another tip: get the girl you are dating/fucking drunk. tell her something that would upset her (like the example I just used, there are many more you can think of, this is just one example). See how she reacts. Tell her you want a pre-nup before you would ever consider proposing. See how she reacts.

It is critical before you consider seriously committing that you know how she acts when things don't go her way or when things are bad. It is easy to be nice when things are going well. A marriage is supposed to last for life, there will be tough times. Don't marry a fairweather bitch who sticks around when it's sunny and runs away at the first sign of clouds and rain.

At the end of the day I would advise against ever getting married especially if you live in """""civilized countries""""" where laws are backwards against men.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (5 children)

This is pussy shit. I'm happily married to a good woman who still dreads after 10 years of being together. She's extremely family-oriented, somewhat religious, has 2 or 3 very close friends, barely drinks (beer or wine a couple times a month), has a good job, showers me with gifts and food, keeps in decent shape/stays hot, and so on. I can't stand when butt-wrecked dudes blame marriage/women for their fucking problems. Fix yourself and you can have an extremely fulfilling married life. You're not doing it right.

Sure if she fucks up, you ghost. But she won't fuck up if you are a desirable man.

[–]behindtheline40 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I like this. I believe that it's possible to be happily married. You just have to work your ass off to be a good man. an ideal man. That takes an incredible amount of work and discipline. The social conditions will change, the framework around marriage will change. But there have been successful marriages for thousands of years. don't marry a retard, always stay better than her. Always be in the position to leave first without damage. I know I'll want kids eventually. Can't raise a good child without a mother.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Yeah man, exactly. I want kids and a family. It's fulfilling as hell if done right. There's really nothing that brings me more joy.

By it's very nature, the RP is going to attract a shit load of discouraged and angry guys. Spending your life alone or jumping from pussy to pussy into old age is not the fucking answer. I guess for some people it is actually. But for me and a lot of other men it's not. I don't find happiness in solitude. And bringing a new girl around every Christmas (or no girl at all) doesn't satisfy me. It feels empty.

Not here to preach but there's way too much anti-marriage sentiment around here, and I have a feeling it's always coming from the same sort of guys - those who were burned because they made bad decisions and those who aren't even afforded those decisions to begin with.

Being a man is about owning your shortcomings and fixing them, so that you can fully own yourself and your family. Not slaying as much poon as you can at age 45. That shit gets old real fast. I was over random pussy by age 30. It stops being fun pretty quickly. Whatever... opinions and food for thought.

[–]SovereignSoul76 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't say advising against marriage is "pussy shit". I would say that avoiding a 50/50 chance of loosing 75% of your shit in court is just a safer plan.

[–]furcryingoutloud 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Ok guys, I see a lot of panties getting bunched up and twisted over the mention of steroids. And I am well aware that I am going to get lambasted for this, but I don't give a fuck.

There is plenty of proof that steroids is dangerous long term. Also plenty of proof that it is beneficial short term. Adults, and this is what we are dealing with here, should make their decision to use based on research and a basic understanding of what they may be getting themselves into.

I have used steroids, both in high numbers and in TRT situations. I have nothing but good to say about them, yet that doesn't mean you should go out and shoot your ass full of steroids too. If you come here and decide to shoot steroids because OP mentioned it in his post, then you deserve to become part of the natural selection process and even maybe earn a Darwin Award.

After 3 years of heavy steroid use, I had a clogged artery. Got it replaced. Huge operation. But guess what, none of the doctors could relate steroid use to the clogged artery. Could it have made it worse? Sure, but so could breathing. Does this mean you should go and do steroids? If you are a fucking idiot, then sure, go do them just based on this short post.

You want to be politically correct? Go to any of those many blue pill subreddits available by the dozens here. This is a man's sub, you come here to learn to be Alpha, then learn to be Alpha. Can you imagine an Alpha male just running to take steroids because a poster mentioned it was a good idea? Jeez man FFS I may be wrong, but that doesn't mean I'm not right. Yeah, Walking Dead reference.

I am not responsible for idiots. No one should be. I stand by the OP's mention of steroids, it is a viable option to millions of men who actually need it. Pissants be damned.

BTW OP, good post man.

[–]Phaeer 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm 33 and have been contemplating going on TRT for some time now.

I have done years of research and as far I can understand, you are missing out on life if you are not hopping on at some point.

Maybe at 35, 40 or even 50 but at some point I'm for sure hopping on TRT. The most dangerous part of going on TRT is that you have to do it illigally where I'm from and that means buying TEST from unofficial businesses where you have no safety regarding how it was made etc.

[–]furcryingoutloud 2 points3 points  (1 child)

In Canada, as far back as 5 years ago, I saw posters in the hospital. A campaign to have men check their testosterone levels. The benefits to having normal levels is extreme. It's just that the word steroids has such a negative connotation that people associate it with genocide or something.

I will tell you this. I cruised for over three hears and I have never felt better in my life.

[–]1Entropy-7 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My 51st B-day is tomorrow (same day as Prince Charles, Condi Rice, Joe McCarthy, Monet, Copland, and a few other notables).

  1. A quality woman will support you and take care of a lot of the bullshit in your life so that you are free to pursue your mission.

  2. One flaw in the OKC stuff is that women rate guys lower because they don't want a match; they don't want guys to be messaging them. But still, even at our age, it isn't that difficult to be in the top quintile. The average BMI is 26.5 so just keeping trim - even in the absense of lifting - puts you ahead of the majority.

If you are still in the game at this point, then don't be ashamed to pull out the stops. If you are in decent shape, proper grooming will knock 10 or 15 years off. I am contemplating eye surgery because that is my only "tell".

  1. It's always an active game. You are on a treadmill and if you rest, you get tossed off.

  2. Don't be sappy but approach romantic gestures from a position of strength. A single rose from an alpha is far more meaningful than a dozen from a beta.

  3. Check. Play things cool and don't put anything on the table until she does so first.

  4. A girl with too many friends is a disaster waiting to happen. One who is too concerned with external appearances is not really into you.

  5. Check

  6. Horrible but true, and it can be difficult to let go because damaged chicks tend to be crazy, and dick-in-crazy is a whole lot of fun. Don't play that kind of white knight. These girls can be good for a fling - although you are playing with fire - but they are definately not long-term prospects.

  7. If you are at all contemplating an LTR, meet mom ASAP. It's a good indication of what your girl is going to be like in 20 years.

[–]phoenixtoast 63 points64 points  (8 children)

So just stay away from women... honestly where are you going to find one that doesn't check one of those boxes?

[–]sunnydot12 61 points62 points  (5 children)

Where would you find a HUMAN BEING that doesn't check one of these boxes?

[–]Throwawaysteve123456 35 points36 points  (3 children)

You won't. But if you find only 3-4 partial checks, then that's looking pretty good.

[–]coco5440[S] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Yes, perfection isn't required. For example everyone makes excuses from time to time -- but if it's all the time and regarding major issues there's a problem.

[–]Trumeau 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Just be smart and detached enough you can bail if you need to.

Having an ejector seat doesn't mean you need to use it but you need to be sure about when you have to use it. The plane can be replaced.

[–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hmmm. Well, I agree that most people in general would probably check at least one of these boxes, but I am a guy and I honestly don't think I check any of these boxes. Why is it so hard to find a woman who can say the same? Just food for thought...

[–]pehsxten 15 points16 points  (0 children)

If shes a human being, run. If she breathes, run faster.

[–]greatamericancities 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Good list.

Would add: The simplest explanation is the right one, almost every time. If something is going wrong in her life she will have a long and involved story about why it's going wrong. Never mind all that: Your first guess as to the real cause is likely correct.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I like judge judy's corollary "if it doesn't make sense, then it probably isn't true".

[–]FlyingSexistPig 10 points11 points  (0 children)

These are all things I wish I knew before I got married (and then divorced!)

[–]fraisersradioshow 93 points94 points  (69 children)

Yeah I’m not doing steroids. Fuck that advice

[–]Inexperiencedblaster 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Then don’t? I’ve been using for years now and I wouldn’t have it any other way. To each his own.

[–]coco5440[S] 39 points40 points  (46 children)

I don't use -- I'm just saying if all else fails -- it's better than being involuntarily celibate.

I did have weight loss surgery (WLS) to get back to dating weight. I'm sure some folks would consider that cheating -- but I don't care -- I did what I needed to do.

[–]fraisersradioshow 71 points72 points  (36 children)

A lot of young people read here man. I personally think it’s irresponsible to say use steroids. Just my 2 cents

[–]HopeisHere5 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I mean it's up to the individual to make their choice.

Exposing someone to information isn't going to instantly make them head that route.

That being said you do have increased risk for infertility, hair loss, heart hypertrophy, permanent brain chemistry changes, lowered immunity, blood pressure, cholesterol levels, and acne.

[–]jimbad05 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A lot of young people read here man.

There's a spectrum. A young person taking high doses is a lot different than an older person taking TRT.

[–]chaseemall 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's better to include caveats than simply avoid the topic. eg: Use steroids, but make sure you've been training for 5 years, can squat twice your body weight and bench 1.5x your body weight so that you don't tear a ligament; don't use too much on one cycle; play the long game.

One of the virtues of this place is that you can talk candidly about things you aren't supposed to, but which will help you if you know.

[–]WastedPotential 36 points37 points  (9 children)

Get off your moral high horse and educate yourself. Steroids are a tool, and any tool is dangerous if you don't know how to use it.

[–]fraisersradioshow 1 points1 points [recovered]

Oh go fuck yourself . I was stating my opinion

[–]GEN_GOTHMOG 15 points16 points  (5 children)

I suppose you think it's a different matter entirely when a man takes steroids to become a woman don't you?

The NHS agrees with you unfortunately.

So it's acceptable to take steroids in order to "swap genders" because you have a mental health issue, but it's not acceptable to take them in order to embark on a self improvement journey that will involve months of hard work in order to have a better life?

Strong maths.

[–]fraisersradioshow 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Nah dude trannies can get the oven. What made you think I was down with that shit?

[–]GEN_GOTHMOG 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Your response to the advocation of steroid use in self improvement seemed like a liberal response.

Most men have low test levels and it is the reason middle aged men are the largest demographic for suicide. The reduction in test levels drains your life force.

Liberal ideologists have a warped understanding of steroids and will turn their noses up at the very mention of them, all the while eating steak that has been pumped with 10g's Trembolone it's whole life.

[–]DamnDirty_Ape 1 points1 points [recovered]

Same could be said of alcohol, smoking, all recreational drugs, opioid painkillers etc. All of which will truly fuck you up if you don't respect what they can do do you.

[–]fraisersradioshow 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I’m so done arguing about this. If you wanna juice . Juice. But to other people reading this: research before you do it

[–]coco5440[S] 7 points8 points  (18 children)

Again, it's a last ditch measure only.

[–]Livecrazyjoe 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Get trt treatment. Its not cheating. Women get all sorts of shit done. None of which requires effort.

[–]tuesdayrain 1 points1 points [recovered]

If staying in shape naturally isn't enough to win over girls, then it's likely that the guy has serious flaws that steroids won't fix.

[–]coco5440[S] 20 points21 points  (11 children)

I'll agree with this. Shouldn't have include that advice.

[–]InstantKarma706 5 points6 points  (10 children)

You literally just advocated using steroids to get chicks. If you can't get laid without steroids you're a loser.

[–]chaseemall 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh fuck off. Sexual strategy is amoral.

[–]LordDongler 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Why not use steroids to maintain the body you want without putting so much valuable time into it? It doesn't have to be for girls.

[–]CondaleezaWh1te 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Steroids are actually a lot less harmful than they once believed. Look at Arnold. He's still a beast and healthy.

[–]Canedude08 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Arnold is an outlier. I'm not making any life altering decisions based on a physical freak that has had access to top level medical care for most of his adult life. If you are eating right, and lifting correctly, you should be at your best. Period.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's better than being involuntarily celibate.

is it really though?

Id love to get laid on command whenever I want it, but where I live a woman can use the fact that you slept with her to destroy your life on a whim. If I get her pregnant she fucking owns my life from that moment forward like Im a goddamned slave. Being a 40 year old virgin doesnt sound that bad by comparison honestly

[–]UnskippableAd -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Your rule 14 tells me you can't be trusted.

[–]coco5440[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I've never used steroids. I'm regretting I included that line. I was trying to get across the point that you need to do whatever you can to be attractive enough to be competitive in the dating marketplace -- nothing more.

[–]UnskippableAd 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I was referring to your comment about if a girl was fat you can't trust them.

[–]coco5440[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You have a point -- what's good for the goose.

[–]Arkasio 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Which is true in 99% of the cases.

[–]Blackbull_ 1 points1 points [recovered]

Don't want my cock to shrink

[–]thewrecker8 33 points34 points  (15 children)

Steroids do no cause your cock to shrink. There's a possibility your balls might atrophy a bit but they'll return to normal if you come off most likely.

[–]fraisersradioshow 13 points14 points  (14 children)

It can fuck up your body’s ability to produce t naturally. It’s shitty advice

[–]thewrecker8 25 points26 points  (6 children)

It'll shut your production down while you're on it, no question. And while it may or may not resume production naturally after you come off that's the risk of the user. I'm not giving advice on take gear or not it's up to the individual. I simply was clearing up the myth your cock shrinks on it.

[–]WastedPotential 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Why does that make it shitty advice? The ability to naturally produce testosterone becomes irrelevant if you are injecting it.

[–]fraisersradioshow 0 points1 point  (5 children)

And what happens after years of steroid use? Do you think your body will just start making it like it should or do you think there might be some complications? It’s risky. I don’t want to have to stay on trt my whole life

[–]General_Shou 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Most people don't stay on steroids for all that long though. They run a couple cycles so they can get to their genetic potential quicker, then stop.

[–]WastedPotential 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And what happens after years of steroid use? Do you think your body will just start making it like it should or do you think there might be some complications? It’s risky.

You either cycle on and off and don't let things get to the point where natural production can't be restarted, or you don't come off.

I don’t want to have to stay on trt my whole life

I don't want "normal" testosterone levels my whole life.

TRP is about male sexual strategy. I'm not saying that everyone should hop on gear immediately (or ever), but to argue that being jacked as shit and having literally superhuman T levels isn't at least a tool worth considering is just plain ignorant.

[–]PoliteIntruder 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Awesome! And never neglect basic skills like counting.

[–]frostback 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And at least two limbs. As long as one is a leg!

[–]vaguehead 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Is there anyone that satisfies these rules?

[–]WarlaxZ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So I actually read that post as the person you should be yourself, not just what you should be looking for in a woman

[–]paulkersey1999 4 points5 points  (1 child)

that leaves about 3 women, and they are all taken.

[–]AlphaGrad 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Good post. Thank you.

  • Would you please expand a bit more on "the Norman Rockwell life"?

  • In 53 years, did you have any children?

[–]coco5440[S] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

The stereotypical little house with a white picket fence (I actually bought one with my first wife when I was 24), two or three kids, nice family dinner on Sunday evening, smiling family on Christmas morning ... . I thought I had it twice but it slipped away.

I have four kids (two sets of two) and one granddaughter. My two oldest kids are all grown up with significant others and careers. My two little girls are still in elementary school. I have them 45% of the time (its not my week so I have lots of time to waste here today).

[–]AlphaGrad 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Would you say that divorce in any marriage in the West is inevitable, no matter how "alpha" the man is?

[–]coco5440[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I certainly hope not -- the odds aren't good but I remain optimistic.

[–]pragmaticminimalist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

when you add kids to the mix, the clock starts ticking....

[–]PanaReddit 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I am 50 years old. I have been married since 1996 and together since 1985 and I CAN CONFIRM THIS POST.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 1 point2 points  (0 children)


such a great year for me. Actually the whole decade was great. The whole decade was sex drugs and rock & roll.

That was before the birds fell off the roof.

[–]BobbyPeru 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If she's externally motivated run! If she's excessively concerned about what her friends, colleagues, and acquaintances think she's not relationship material. This type of girl is expensive and never satisfied

I learned this one the hard way.

Good post

[–]blackierobinsun3 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It sucks that there's not many women like this left

[–]PaulMurrayCbr 1 points1 points [recovered]

If her mother is an objectionable person run. If her mother is a dishonest, grasping, materialistic objectionable person run faster. We all know where this item is going.

It's old, sound advice: look at what her mother is like - this is what she will be like in a few years.

Companion to it is this: look at what her attitude to her father is. Because that's what she will think of you. Of course, in this day and age more than half the women don't have fathers.

And finally, look at how she treats the waiter. This is how she treats people whom she does not have to make an effort to treat well, which will be you if you are careless and let yourself get locked down.

[–]coco5440[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The interesting thing is that while my ex's grandmother (who had been her caregiver for much of her childhood) was alive she managed to not act like her mom. But without her grandmother to keep her in line she soon be came her mom's mini me.

[–]Rooster1981 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is what I come here to see.

[–]RP_78 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Following your rules 99% of women are not relationship material. Not that this is inherently wrong...

[–]searcher612 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yes, that's about right. I think Rollo listed 95% in one of his writings.

[–]babalu32 1 points1 points [recovered]

After 20 years of marriage I found #1 to be absolutely true. I lost my job AND I destroyed my shoulder in an accident. My wife both blamed me for the job loss (I worked 12 hrs/day) and cut off sex altogether (it's been 4 years now) as well as told me to sleep on the sofa because I was tossing too much on bed in pain.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem3 17 points18 points  (5 children)

You're only hurting yourself.

[–]babalu32 1 points1 points [recovered]

I know right? It is like taking a poison pill. But it is not rational anymore.

[–]coco5440[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Do whatever it takes to break out of this funk. Its far more satisfying to take control of your life. I know its not easy I was walking around in a daze for about 9 months after my wife told me she wanted to divorce.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Suicide is not the answer. You need to take control. Your body is enjoying it right now because it’s getting food and rest for little work. It doesn’t know that it’s fucking itself.

[–]thewrecker8 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Just because she says no to sex there's someone out there who will say yes

[–]LCUCUY 1 points1 points [recovered]

Lol tips from a resentful single 53 year old about how the world is out to get you, and people don't deserve your respect.

This sub is sad. Don't blame women, or anybody for your shortcomings. I recognize that the vast majority of people on here are guys who are 18-30, working a job that they won't find a career in, and trying to fix their self esteem issues by working out. Exercise is great, but it won't fix you as a person.

Evaluate your shortcomings, set goals, and most of all love yourself. If you don't, work on it, and look for something in life that excites you, and challenges you. Please don't let yourself turn into a bitter old man who believes that being a dick is going to get you anywhere.

[–]coco5440[S] 20 points21 points  (5 children)

I'm actually quite an optimistic person. Regarding my divorce I put a lot of blame on myself because I was too blind to see all the red flags and I neglected to make taking care of myself a priority. I'm not a martyr -- I'm not lost in self pity -- I'm taking active steps to improve my weaknesses (mostly physical as I'd already spent a lot of time and effort getting an education and career).

Also, being a dick may not be the answer but neither is being a "nice guy" -- I'm really sick of people (i.e. women) telling me what a "nice guy" I am -- being a "nice guy" never got me shit!

[–]LCUCUY 1 points1 points [recovered]

if she's externally motivated run!

do whatever it takes to make your appearance satisfactory to others, including surgery and drugs

if she has used drugs, run!

if she has had a traumatic life, run!

run, run, run!

I hope I do not have to explain why this advice is toxic and hypocritical.

Most people on this sub could certainly be painted at damaged goods, and inversely, if women were to follow your advice, all these TRP believers would be overlooked.

And finally, I think the frequent use of the word "run" is an excellent summary of what the message being this post really is. I don't need to go into what that reflects about your character, because I don't take any enjoyment in being rude, but you should not be telling young men with low self confidence to run at the first issue in a relationship. I understand that it may make you feel valued and wise with all these people supporting you, but in reality you are only spreading the mistakes you've made in your life.

I wish you good luck in finding someone who brings something new to your life.

[–]SovereignSoul76 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Nobody is blaming women for our shortcomings. We only request that they take responsibility for their own, instead of pinning everything on men. So take your self-righteous attitude and stick it up your ass sideways :)

[–]searcher612 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Should be printed out and posted somewhere to be read every once in a while.

On point 6, would you lump needing external validation as the same as external motivation? I am referring to say the social media whores with overactive need for attention on FB, Instagram, etc.

[–]coco5440[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yes, I'm thinking that would just be another side of the same coin.

[–]searcher612 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, you've got the bases all covered as far as I can tell. The validation thing is something I've noticed more with the younger (35 and under) crowd.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Preach! This knowledge will help many

[–]ShabbyDonkey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyg-GEOpc5Y&t=15s I agree me too, I feel the same way!!

[–]WRPrichter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post. Many fine points. I especially like the one about looking at Mom's behavior as your s/o's future behavior. I disagree with taking steroids. You can pay a serious price later in life and it is simply not worth it to me. Eat big, lift big, then cut. Thanks for the post. I appreciate your insight.

[–]DonkeyPunch19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

20 percent is way high. It's more like 1.

[–]doctorcoolpop 1 point2 points  (4 children)

well written but assumes you are looking for a long term woman partner. if you are just looking for adventure you will pass up many hot beauties this way

[–]coco5440[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Yes it does. When I was 19 I loved the chase. It's just not that fun anymore.

[–]doctorcoolpop 5 points6 points  (2 children)

the ultimate blue pill is to need a woman in your life .. negates all your other criteria

[–]coco5440[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sorry, but while I accept that female psychology is not what I'd like it to be and that hypergamy is encouraged by society these days, I will not accept the idea that life is somehow better without a partner.

I enjoyed being married most of the time. In fact I enjoyed it so much I got complacent and neglected the harsh realities of female psychology. Going forward I'm looking for a partner with better relationship potential and if I find her I will sure as shit not let myself get complacent again.

[–]i_eat_guitars 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wish I’d read this about 12 years ago

[–]EdaBagaDix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, there goes relationships with almost every younger woman I’ve ever met. Number 10 is especially important. Recently was talking to one who claimed she wasn’t like like the others. I’m not going to talk about all the various manipulative things she did and told me about doing to other guys, but I will talk about about one of her delusions.

One day a friend of hers let it slip that a few years back the girl I was talking to made a New Years resolution to BE MORE SELFISH. Yeah, cause a woman really needs a resolution to be selfish. This girl was very manipulative and selfish. Tried to fuck me twice while in relationships with two different guys. Once night she was telling me about how earlier that day her new boyfriend bought her a gift bag with $400 dollars in stuff in it. Later that night she was lying down next to me asking me what I would do if she started playing with herself.....and these bitches wonder why I won’t even buy them drinks. This chick would also bitch and complain the every guy she’s been with has cheated on her and now here little miss victim is trying to cheat with me the day someone just spent a shitload of money on her. I’m really starting to get fucking disgusted with women all together.

[–]Shariabluew 1 point2 points  (3 children)

If she's externally motivated run! If she's excessively concerned about what her friends, colleagues, and acquaintances think she's not relationship material. This type of girl is expensive and never satisfied.

This really needs to be nailed down. My ex-fiance was a lot like this. At first she pretended she wasn't but turns out she lied just like the rest of them.

I ended up proposing and buying an engagement ring (~$5,000) a significant sum but something I could afford. She went, with her mother of all people, to get a bigger rock for her ring (an extra $3000) without telling me. Turns out her friend (read frenemy) got her engagement ring from her bitch boy fiance that cost $20,000! I guess my ex fiance felt pressure to show off a bigger rock.

When I ended up dumping her she confessed that she bought a bigger rock behind my back to compete with her frenemy. I laughed in her face when she told me that and said "how stupid do you feel now?" Either way, I made a good move by kicking her out and dumping her before the wedding (3 months prior to be exact).

Never doing that again. Learned my lesson at 27 and it cost me $5,000. Luckily I got off easy and will not ever get married or buy expensive jewelry for a woman again. Such a scam for suckers.

[–]cashmoney_x 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Why the FUCK did you let her keep the ring? That ring wasn't a "gift" it was part of a contract and should have been returned once the contract was voided. She did none of the work but kept the reward.

[–]nofilmynofucky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Solid tips but I don't think I've ever met a woman who passes all these. Not even close tbh

[–]SaintHolland 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A lot of good stuff here but I think your point about cosmetics is absurd. If you aren't good looking, don't get surgery.

[–]EIIiotRodgers 1 point2 points  (8 children)

These are unicorns in modern society, however, I know where these unicorns flock too. At the church I attend, all the girls I like this. None of them engage in pre marital sex. They'd been programmed from a young age to be this way and it has definitely overrode their biological impulses(AWALT). I would never engage in an LTR with any modern female, but the ones at my church are ideal and I wouldn't think twice.

[–]saibot83 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Lol. Church girls are some freaky bitches. AWALT. They might be sneakier about it but they still hoes.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

AWALT means ALL. Lol you gave an exception for something without exceptions

[–]shakespeareSMG 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Much of this points to observe her BEHAVIOR and not what she SAYS.

Good advice which on the whole leaves only a very small percentage of women that would be good—dare I say ideal—for a LTR.

In my experience most American women are out of the running. They are either obese, ignorant, controlling or cough all three.

Show me an American women that knows how to cook and treat her man. I know there a few... a FEW...

[–]buddhadarko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not a bad list at all. It's important to have an awareness of these things because a lot of them, if not all of them, are common causes to guys getting sucked into oneitis and bad LTRs where they have no power, and/or they are the beta bucks guy spending all his money on a girl or any girl that shows him attention.

Women are constantly shit testing because of their hypergamous nature. So, at any given time, she could be looking (subconsciously) to see if there are any cracks in your armor, and if so, where. You don't have to become paranoid, constantly checking everything she says; but it won't hurt at all to be at least aware of these things so that certain situations do not evolve under your nose and you are completely and totally unaware until it's too late.

[–]cyrutvirus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

there's beauty in exercising and working towards a certain body image, and it teaches many crucial lifeskills while developing patience and confidence. Dont do roids until you've reached your body's limit ...

[–]socalsolja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't know why you were down voted but seriously, unless you are trying to go pro in bodybuilding or fitness modeling, doing steroids is playing big time with your life over some vain shit which you can overcome with other qualities, status, friends, cool life, personality, etc.

[–]NYCMusicMarathon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is massively useful and helpful material.

[–]_frodo_swaggins_ 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What do you do for a living?

You sound pretty full of shit based on my gut instincts.

[–]cashmoney_x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The blue pill is that way, bitch.

[–]coco5440[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm a criminal defense attorney. Previously I've been a high school science teacher, a park ranger, an intelligence analyst in the Army, a forest service pathology technician, and before that various blue collar construction/utility/heavy equipment jobs. I've been working since I was 15 (they don't have many pesky child labour laws in Alberta where I grew up).

[–]6sixseven 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I was on board for the most part until substance abuse/eating disorders. Maybe I’m taking what you said the wrong way.

I think it’s a good idea to not get into a relationship with someone who is addicted to a substance or has a mental disorder IF she is not even trying to recover or get better. But having dated someone with an eating disorder, who was actively recovering, there is no reason to write them off as untrustworthy/not relationship material.

It is not that these women can’t be trusted, it’s the disorder/addiction that can’t be. It becomes an issue when the women (or anyone for that matter) can’t distinguish between the two, or doesn’t even try to do so.

[–]coco5440[S] 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Addiction can destroy otherwise good people. My first wife was an excellent mother, good companion, and hard worker. When she started using all that went out the window (along with most of what we'd worker 17 years to accumulate).

My second wife had a food addiction that put less obvious, but just as real, stress on our relationship.

[–]6sixseven 1 point2 points  (5 children)

That’s shitty. I mean it is no doubt an issue, but it is equally possible for a non-addict to do shitty things that put stress on a relationship. Though in the case of addiction it’s much more apparent and more complex in a maladaptive way.

I would say that if both parties aren’t willing to try to gain an understanding of what’s happening/want to take action to help recovery, then definitely don’t bother.

[–]coco5440[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Sorry but I have no faith in the concept of recovery. Very few people ever truly recover.

I deal with addicts on a daily basis at work. The last thing I want to do is deal with one at home.

[–]6sixseven 1 point2 points  (3 children)

True. I recovered, for lack of a better term, from excessive drinking/alcohol use disorder and now have zero desire to drink, but I attribute that to the fact I was young when I made the decision to quit among other factors

[–]meaningintragedy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What does WLS mean?

And taking steroids just to please women is ridiculous. You forgot point 16 which is not being a pussy worshiper.

[–]coco5440[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

WLS = weight loss surgery. Best way for us fat asses to get reasonably thin. This morning I was 239 pounds -- that's down from my max of about 320 two years ago.

[–]doom92 1 points1 points [recovered]

Whats WLS? I didn't see it in the glossary.

[–]colzod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the first few points are great; however, the multiple relationship selection constraints would leave one with close to zero prospects. It didn't seem to me like this article was arguing for no relationships, but that's what the math shows.

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