Building Power6 years of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: 3 short lessons (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by CounterEarth

I was awarded my purple belt in BJJ recently after years of training, and I wanted to type up a short post about the lessons I've learned and the merits of martial arts in general. Long-time lurker but new poster on TRP.

TLDR: I think that martial arts should be a staple of the TRP toolkit. Nothing tests your grit or develops your character like learning a real form of artistry from scratch and transforming your body and mind in the process. Lifting weights is awesome but learning to defend yourself and others is a fucking powerful feeling.

  1. The most important lesson you'll learn from martial arts is self-reliance. Fundamentally, you are responsible for your own security. Learning to gauge and assess your surroundings is merely one level of self-reliance developed through a martial art; the mindset that adversity is something you can face head on will filter through to other areas of your life.

  2. You learn that failure is not something to be ashamed of. Everyone fails at first when they step into the dojo. Through practice and determination, you improve; otherwise you stagnate. Feeling yourself progress in an objective way is an electrifying feeling. The same applies to seeing your lifts skyrocket in the gym, or seeing yourself successfully approach more HB8s. The proof is in the pudding, success is impossible without failure.

  3. Success is earned through hard work and not much else. There are no shortcuts. Genetics and luck help, but hard work always wins. To progress in BJJ, one must show mastery of the art-form. Many BJJ masters were "losers" when they started training. They transformed their lives through sacrifice, enriching themselves and others. Your excuses are pathetic, start training.

[–][deleted] 101 points102 points  (32 children)

Solid post, please consider this an "and."

My biggest martial arts (judo) mistake was neglecting base fitness. The whole idea of progressing in martial arts is things getting easier. You don't need to he-man a guy a mile into the air to throw him, you need about a quarter of an inch, and gravity is plentiful and cheap.

I have increased my base fitness and the results have shown. I run 3X's a week, only 2.5 miles, but the difference is amazing, when guys are huffing and puffing I'm even. And I do bodyweight fitness (fuck off GLO, I heard you the first time, your girlfriend isn't aspiring to dips over rings or the Iron Cross). Plus a place I did listen to GLO: I have a standing desk, no cheating, not adjustable, and am barefoot all day.

During yesterdays workout (4 black belts, 1 brown belt (me, different rank from BJJ), and 1 green belt-amazing) I didn't have a partner for the last round of ne-waza (mat work) so I was practicing my ukemi (falling ways). My sensei noticed.....I actually have an arch in my feet these days. I was using them as springs to flow into my falls. They used to be flat as a board. I'm 45 and rebuilding my body. It takes time at this age, but no excuses.

Movement based work, and martial arts in particular, are awesome....never mind the camaraderie. Also....the Big Local Sports Team lost, but my testosterone levels did not drop. On Saturday, I went in and threw people around (and got thrown around......yesterday, I'm lucky to get people off balance) then Sunday I introduced a buddy to rock climbing.

I know it's a bit of a trap, but it's hard to not walk around feeling pretty superior these days. I'm in the best shape of my life, better than many 25 y/o's, and clearly most guys my age. I often hear "Is so and so Red Pilled?" "No, doesn't matter how Alpha he is, he doesn't lift." I think there's something to it. This is a sub on male sexual strategy which depends on the AF/BB dynamic, and many martial arts are Alpha as fuck (and some are McDojos)

[–]juaracam 24 points25 points  (12 children)

Man I'd fucking love to do judo, but I can either lift or do that, too expensive. So at least I lift

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Dude, my club's $55 a month. BJJ is awesome and usually triple that.

[–]juaracam 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Where I live it's 50€ a month (judo). It's not really that expensive, but I'm focusing on building muscle mass at the moment. Maybe I'll pick it later

[–]dresdonbogart 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Where I'm at, it's $104 a month with a student discount. I just couldn't justify that.

[–]swank86 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I joined a university judo club. $300 AUD a year. And half the class are bjj enthusiast so the newaza is top notch. Good mix of veterans, and young kids.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Dude....we had a BJJ black belt strap on a white belt for a judo class. His newaza was impeccable....but then one of our instructors gave him flying lessons. It was a sight to behold.

I'm going to start staying for BJJ after judo on Saturdays.....if only to break the habit of giving up my back too easily. Last time I did BJJ, all I had was kesa-gatame....amazing how it's possible to get people to tap from that.

[–]swank86 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The thing the bjj guys have to adjust to do is our explosiveness. They are so use to setting up their perfect juji gateme and pulling them off with perfect execution. But we just rush them and don't care if they are sloppy. As long as they submit we don't care. I have done a few bjj classes but they are more expensive here, so I just encourage them to join us. It's good to cross train with bjj anyway cause of the similarities and I feel we both benefit for our own game anyway.

[–]CounterEarth[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've never trained with judoka, sounds quite fascinating. Your throws are ridiculous though.

[–]guppykissess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a BJJ white belt, it's the best. Training with judoka gives you a different pace to run by and pressure test your technique. Grip fighting is very similar and helps you understand which ones to be wary on and which you can let them have.

[–]1Entropy-7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've done a bunch of martial arts and judo - along with Olympic fencing - is a sport that you can go full out on the other guy without actually injuring him.

A funny judo story is when I was a yellow belt at about age 10. There was this attractive 16 year old girl who was a green belt. She tossed me around like a rag doll . . . it gave me such a boner!

Anyways, judo is great. It's not particularly good for self-defence until you get up to about brown belt, but it is a top-notch sport.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (13 children)

WAIT! Are you telling me my flat foot can be cured? I have had flat feet for a very long time, and although I am a fast runner it is very annoying to have to deal with this handicap. Can you give me some advice on how I can improve my arch? I'm only 19 but have been trying to cure this shit for 8 years.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (11 children)

I think it's mostly being barefoot all the time, working at a standing desk.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can confirm. I also had problems with pronation.

Three years of MMA and nothing's left.

[–]thegreatestape 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'll second this: when I started running barefoot, my arches got so big!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I have a set of those Vibrams....been lazy, but my current running shoes are over a year old and probably worn plumb out. Hell, it might even be effective.

I've read it takes about 2 months to transition....seems clunky to carry shoes, stop at a certain point, switch, and keep going. Worth it? Ideas on the Vibrams?

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I've read articles (which seemed to come from credible sources) stating that the problem with Vibrams is that human feet did not evolve to walk on concrete; we evolved to walk long distances on surfaces softer than concrete, like dirt and grass.

Running / walking barefoot long distance or long term on concrete is purportedly too high-impact for soft tissues in your feet, ankles, and knees. Normal shoes artificially create a softer walking surface and cause substantially less damage than walking on concrete barefoot.

That being said, running barefoot (or with Vibrams) is awesome and works your feet and calfs like crazy. You just need to find a soft place to run. I ran laps on a grass football field with my Vibrams (if you run a full oval inside a football field, 6 laps = 1 mile), and they worked out great. But running on the track, even with the track coated in quasi-rubber material, caused an injury that prevented me from running for a couple weeks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Good stuff.

I run at a park, on a dirt path. I'm lucky to have it, it's a 3 minute drive, and exactly 2.5 miles around, 99% on dirt. With MILFs for days, and even some college girls.

I think the difference between dirt and concrete is the difference between Vibrams being maybe a good idea to being a bad idea.

[–]JaYogi 2 points3 points  (4 children)

What about those vibram five finger shoes? Only reason I'm asking is because I can't really go to work barefoot.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I asked about them too....I work from home, so can be barefoot.

[–]mustaine42 1 point2 points  (2 children)

They are great, but it will take alot of time to transition to them if you have been using regular shoes your whole life. You will literally be working out all the muscles in your legs completely differently and as a result your biomechanics will change beneficially. Your calves will have the greatest workout of your life the first week you use them.

Due to the above, it is extremely important to take it very slow and progress gently, because the body is so unadapted to barefoot range of motion, alot of people injury themselves because they do to much. Very important to follow a progression program, or imo do alot of walking in them before even trying to run. But it is really is one of the best purchases you could make.

[–]JaYogi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do those little muscles increase the arch in the foot?

[–]mustaine42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, its going to vary for each person though.

Humans are evolved to have arches in their feet. Some people who have had genetically flatfeet since they were a child, very possibly nothing can be done. But most people who don't have arches anymore used to when they were kids, but they slowly lost them due to restriction of ROM for your feet and thus weakening of your feet/ankles and everything linked.

Generally, if you restore the feet to their normal functioning, their structure will return. But it's going to take time and everyone will have different results.

Anecdotally I can say it has made a huge difference. Other people's experiences generally agree, and the science backs it too.

[–]MagnumBurrito 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do weighted toe raises in the power rack. You can go real heavy pretty quickly. Like up to what you can squat and more.

3x10 twice a week will give you an arch in a couple months.

Like others have indicated, go barefoot whenever possible. Also minimalist shoes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]showerdudes9 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can you do martial arts if you have weak teeth? (got a gum disease and im fucked if i lose a front tooth basically) so the close contact kind of scares me away

[–]ChaosRevealed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get a custom made mouthguard from a professional. Small price to pay in case your teeth actually do get knocked out

[–]Nintendobandit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I learned even more from self defense lessons and kickboxing lessons. No stranger has the right to approach you, especially after dark.

Also, I learned the hard way I’m responsible for my own safety and security. Cops neither show up or show up way too late.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (24 children)

Any thought on Muay Thai? I was planning on joining in the next few weeks. I would like to join BJJ however the prices are too expensive for me at the moment. I’d like to get in shape while doing Muay Thai for the next couple of years and then begin my BJJ journey. Thoughts would be appreciated!

[–]twofacedsonofajackal 11 points12 points  (8 children)

Muay Thai is the best stand up martial art right now but i'd join an MMA gym. That way you can learn striking and groundwork at the same place.

Gyms are trending toward teaching mixed styles in the same way they trended away from Kung Fu/Taekwondo/Karate toward Muay Thai/BJJ.

My trainer has a Wing Chun base but opened a Muay Thai gym to actually make money. Same thing will happen to Muay Thai imo.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I don't think old school boxing should be discounted.....and it blends well with judo/BJJ. Not taking a damn thing away from Muay Thai, to be sure.

[–]CounterEarth[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Completely agree. I supplement my BJJ with boxing (initially done for cardio a few years back). Extremely underrated.

[–]JFMX1996 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It just depends on what you do. Boxing for points, worthless. Boxing for the knockout, fuckin' amazing.

Just compare a lot of olympic boxing matches and pro boxing matches on HBO. Huge difference.

It can be amazing for your handwork when you do carry over to Muay Thai. Just a few minor tweaks in your stance and rhythm (rhythm in MMA gets you fucked). But yeah man, it's an awesome style.

Read "Championship Fighting" by Jack Dempsey. An oldschool book but taught me a lot of good things as a beginner in Muay Thai.

[–]RedditDogX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Boxing (and kickboxing): very underrated.

[–]PMnewb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Traditional boxing gyms that offer legit training for adults are becoming a rarity now I think. The nearest one to me is like 30 miles away and I live in a major metro area.

[–]keephundred 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Where does kickboxing rank?

[–]PMnewb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Muay Thai is a type of kickboxing. "Kickboxing" is a broad term for many different techniques through history that concentrate on striking with both hands and feet.

Unfortunately, in the United States most "kickboxing" classes are just aerobics classes for women that teach you how to kick a bag to burn calories. Not a legitimate combat sport.

[–]monkey_typist 5 points6 points  (2 children)

You should pick whatever interests you. Muay Thai and BJJ are very different. Your skill set probably won't transfer over very well. My background is also Muay Thai. When I switched over to MMA, if my sparring partners get me to the ground, I gas out quick. But when we're standing and striking, they gas out quick (I was the only one with striking background, they were all wrestling/BJJ guys, and we were all beginners, that's why all we had our weaknesses).

It's about how you trained and what your body is used to. If you want to do both there are MMA gyms that teach both, but they may not offer "proper lineage" for Muay Thai and BJJ, and may even mix in other stuff. My coach mixed in sambo for example. So it depends on what you're looking for.

But the most important thing, is your interest. If it can't keep your interest it could be the best martial art in the world and it won't do you any good. Go with your interest.

[–]wanderer779 0 points1 point  (1 child)

how can you get good at striking without getting CTE?

[–]monkey_typist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's CTE? Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy? You mean concussion, brain damage?

All I know is you can minimize that by wearing protective gear and sparring with sane partners. Typically when you spar, you go light. Because hurting each other will only reduce your progress and is counter productive. But you can say if I don't go hard I'll never get good. But for me, I'm not going pro, so I don't care if I suck.

If you want to do high impact activity, martial arts or otherwise, you'll get hurt. You can choose parkour as your hobby, you'll most likely get hurt and you're not even going against an opponent. I've had broken bones and a concussion from hockey.

[–]jose_boneh 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm a big fan of striking martial arts, and have been doing it for over 10 years.

Muay Thai is number #1 for me in terms of overall fun, endurance and fighting ability.

However, for toughness and fighting ability, I have to say nothing beats boxing. Boxing is the toughest martial art out there, simply because you learn how to get beaten up on a regular basis. I agree with the posters that say if a BJJ guy can get a boxer down, then the boxer is done, but a boxer will almost always destroy a Muay Thai / kickboxer / etc once we gets close.

The downside is that long term it turns your brain to mush. So while I have the utmost respect for it, I only do it a few months at a time to keep my brain healthy.

[–]ac_bro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A boxer who gets in close to a Thai fighter will have his skill nullified because of the clinch and will be no different than an untrained dude. I don’t see boxers ever” destroying “ a Muay Thai fighter of their level (more like lose 9 times out of 10 because of how one dimensional boxing is)

Grappling is more effective anyway.(mma says so)

[–]ac_bro 7 points8 points  (4 children)

For self defense Muay Thai is the best there is for striking arts, simply because of the clinch. (I wouldn’t consider stuff like sanda, combat sambo etc pure striking). Somebody grabs you, you got knees elbows and some reliable sweeps. Somebody grabs a boxer? All his skill is nullified and the stronger male comes out on top , Go for it , put in enough time and you’ll be one dangerous motherfucker.

[–]Andrew54321 1 point2 points  (3 children)

A traditional boxer yes. I would not MT clinch a dirty boxer.

FWIW, MT clinch isn’t unbreakable in the streets. Open palm strike/push&hold upwards from chin to nose is enough to neutralize; first hand field experience.

[–]ac_bro 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So you’re telling me a boxer , someone who never trained to fight in the clinch, is gonna come out on top against someone who practiced fighting in the clinch? (mma proven clinch by the way) Doesn’t work that way, what’s next, non grapplers tossing judokas (yea bro just bear hug them it’s different on the streetz you know) and choking out bjj blackbelts just because it’s different on the streets too? No , boxing is very limited on its own , a high school wrestler could literally kill a pro boxer if they ever fought on hard concrete. Dirty boxer or traditional, a Muay Thai fighter of his level would sweep /knee him into a coma 9times out of 10. And please don’t think you can generate any power behind your punches when you clinch up, doesn’t work that way.

[–]Andrew54321 2 points3 points  (1 child)

  1. Are you really comparing combat sports to actual combat?

  2. It isn’t the discipline that wins, its the practitioner.

[–]ac_bro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) combat sport usually wins because you can practice that sport and go 100percent while doing it, you can’t do that with actual combat.

2) styles make fights , assuming both fighters are around the same level, the discipline wins the fight. Who do you think comes out on top, a wing chun “master “ or an mma fighter of his level? Some styles are even perfect for countering other styles, the same way wrestling completely nullifies any striking art that’s not too good with knees. And the ones that are good with it , something like Muay thai, will only connect like every 1/10 times. Sprawling and simply defending the takedown is more effective for a reason .

[–]RedditDogX 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Muay Thai is awesome.. very much worth learning. It's a young man's game though. Fwiw the "traditional" MA folks say my roundhouse is not technically correct. Until they get hit with it. THAT is what MT will teach you (among other things). I love MT but it's rough on your body.

[–]ac_bro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a different roundhouse really, hits harder but is slower.

[–]Warmckeever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like boxing and all kickboxing derivatives but they put miles on your body very quickly. I stopped doing muay thai because of constantly being in pain personally. BJJ allows me to go "full bore" more often with less risk of injury.

[–]basebool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did muai thai for a while and i really like its variety of techniques it entails. Combinations of jabs, hooks, cross, kicks, knees, elbows and importantly the clinch. It basically teaches you a lot of your body can be used for an attack and it really enforces defence (covering up, footwork, blocks, etc).

[–]JFMX1996 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Muay Thai is awesome. I'd just say to really work on your mobility and working on common muscle imbalances and flexibility, as well as joint stability. It's one of those styles that's really fun but takes a lot of body maintenance, just like Jiu Jitsu.

I feel you on the expensive BJJ part. Muay Thai is really cool and even for a sport style, carries over very well to the real world. You might like the book "Muay Thai Unleashed" by Krauss and Cordoza. Will give you an upper hand on possibly accelerate your learning.

[–]RPTA3498 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Grats!! I'm a little over a year in enjoying my white belt while I can. Hope to get a couple competitions in before I make the plunge to Blue.

[–]CounterEarth[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thank you! Enjoy the struggle. Blue can wait.

[–]RPTA3498 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am for sure, its conflicting because on one hand its like I've put so much time, energy, effort, blood and sweat into the mats so to see that turn into something tangible would be sweet but at the same time I still don't feel ready for it. I still have a good 6-8 months minimum, so more time to get better! I'm in no hurry that's for real.

[–]stuffguyman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Most important lesson I learned from BJJ is getting soap in your wounds really hurts

[–]JFMX1996 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree man. Doing BJJ for the first time really changed me as a 13 year old. Developed a lot more grit, and was a lot more humble, but never afraid to fight for the right reason.

I'm 21 now and went back for like 5 months (took a break to work on other goals and going up in weight), and holy shit I realized how much of an influence it can have on your mind.

Tapping out 200lb+ powerlifters and bodybuilders, seeing yourself progress, etc.

I know it's expensive, for me, BJJ twice a week is $85, and Muay Thai twice a weak is another $85 or so (this place is really legit, well worth the price). I understand, so I'd definitely recommend just going into boxing. Most boxing gyms are way less expensive and often offer more hours to train and so on. It still teaches you to toughen up, how to take a punch, throw a punch, and develop grit and just believe in yourself in general.

Depending on how you box, for the knockout or for points (hopefully for the knockout), it can apply quite well to the real world, especially against untrained guys if the situation ever comes up.

Later on when you're doing better financially, you can try out other arts like Muay Thai and it'll translate good.

I stress boxing because it's a high contact sport, where you guys really go at it. I know some other arts basically just have you train for tournaments or aren't very applicable to real situations.

[–]2chazthundergut 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree about BJJ being added to the canon of universal recommendations of TRP, alongside Lifting.

It checks many of the same boxes: 1. Builds Strength, Nature's greatest virtue. 2. Develops Discipline, Man's greatest tool. 3. Gives purpose and direction in life. Is an excellent hobby to have in the wheelhouse. 4. Great way to meet other cool Men. Comraderie with other males is a must for a man to reach his full potential. If you don't know how to make friends, or are outgrowing your pot-smoking/ videogame-playing circle of friends, get involved in BJJ.

In addition to this, BJJ addresses something beyond what simply lifting will provide: expertise in physical combat, and comfort in confrontation. Struggling against Iron is excellent and a must for all men. Struggling against other skilled men in a life-and-death physical chess match is a different thing entirely.

Being big and strong is great for confidence, and the self-worth you derive from it (and its positive effects on game) have all been discussed.

Being physically capable of strangling someone or snapping their arm is just like this. A man needs to know how to fight. Period. Granted, the outward effects won't be as readily apparent as they are with lifting (that's why you should do both), but the inner confidence is 100x stronger.

Other combat disciplines (boxing, judo, etc) could be practiced for very similar reasons. But BJJ is the squats and deadlifts of martial arts. Highly recommended.

[–]stuffguyman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congratulations on your purple belt!!!!

[–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congrats OP, this is a milestone.

[–]banjew 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I always get laughed that after 2 years I'm still white belt, and guys with 5 or more years are only blue. When other martial arts get a black belt after 3 years and almost no physical exercise.

I know how incredible hard is to get a purple belt. Hell many mma/ufc stars are just purple belt in BJJ. Congrats!

[–]CounterEarth[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Thanks buddy! Though to knock myself down a peg, MMA pros with a purple belt usually have extensive training in another art and/or are great (kick-)boxers and near-Olympian wrestlers.

I trained 5 times a week, practically without fail, for 2 hours a time to get from Blue to Purple in 3 years. I also competed a bit. It was fucking grueling at times.

McDojos are pretty common these days. I hope they enjoy their black belts!

[–]banjew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think even people in this channel imagine what getting beat to a pulp for 2 hours every day do to your body. It turns you into a fucking supermen. Physically BJJs practitioners are in another dimension (at least compared to common people).

[–]wanderer779 1 point2 points  (3 children)

At what point do you feel like you can pretty much whip 99% of the population?

[–]CounterEarth[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Don't know, and could hardly care. Right now I'm the weakest purple belt in my group, and the focus is on... sucking a little less. My goal is to attain a black belt, which will probably take 3-5 years of near daily practice.

I said somewhere else in this thread, I conceal-carry. My XDS .45 has never been in a dojo, but he leaves my apartment all the time. Knowing martial arts is a powerful feeling, but it doesn't make you powerful.

[–]Unsterder 1 points1 points [recovered]

Except for people like me in countries where guns are illegal. I've only been doing BJJ for a year but I feel a lot more confident than before I started

[–]CounterEarth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's excellent for conventional self-defense, but as others have said nothing can prepare you for a knife or gun. I prefer carrying if I'm out with a plate or LTR.

[–]Jailhouseredpilled93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nature is my apparatus. I run, jump, climb, crawl, throw. I walk on my hands, swim, lift heavy shit, kick stuff. I like to go for nature fitness hikes and kick leaves and branches and climb rocks and trees, chase squirels...all that shit!

[–]Warmckeever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a black belt and have been doing the art for close to 12 years now. I am much older than when I started now but the thing martial arts such as BJJ can do for you is have a solid grasp of what you can and can't do. I am able to hold my head up higher than I was prior to starting martial arts.

[–]StillHigh09 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not to mention that martial arts give you REAL confidence. I trained muay thai for many years also started BJJ year ago. I saw so many fake alphas from the gym break down and all off a sudden asking to 'chill out bro' when it was about to go down. And always the same surprised look(saying wtf im bigger than you how come youre not scared). Dont get me wrong,lifting is not bad. I do it myself sometimes,cause its good for getting girls and building up some confidence. But the real confidence comes when youre not scared of a fight and martial arts give you that. Im not some insecure tryhard who spent some time in the ring and now has to prove to everyone bigger than me that Im better. Mostly the fake alphas who failed to AMOG me started the fights,and quickly tried to quit when I didnt back off or someone told them about my thropies.

[–]907Vik1ng 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For everyone looking to find a studio/dojo/dojang/barra:


Now that some of you fanboys have had time to scream at the monitor, hear me out.

I've heard people, over the years, go on about how Hung Gar Kung Fu is the best, because that's what Bruce Lee started in, or how Jeet Kun Do is the best because it is the product of the greatest martial artist of our generation.

Bruce Lee was the greatest because of his unvarying devotion to improving himself. Period. Full stop.

There. Is. No. Best. Art. There is only what works best for you.

Go check out the schools in your area. Watch the classes, and see how the instructor interacts with the students. While students should show respect to the Instructor, acknowledging the time spent to pass on their skills, the Instructor should likewise show respect to the students - who out of the masses have made the choice to better themselves.

Avoid arrogance! Arrogant instructors will only create tension and impart bad habits that will get you in trouble.

*20+ years in the MA, 2 2nd Dan black belts

[–]SocialPowerPlayer 2 points3 points  (17 children)

Is practicing at home better then not practicing at all?

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (13 children)

Near useless, simple shrimping drills will open up hips but won't do much when not applied in real training.

Bad habits are developed when training with newbs. You need to go to classes to develop good habits and iron out weaknesses.

I've trained with other beginners without trainers and good methods, but when I joined an actual no-gi class I had a few overdeveloped moves and alot of weaknesses.

If you have the time and a training partner that doesn't need constant attention and motivationinjections you can do it, but you'lle make 3x the skill-leap just joining a bjj class and drilling in the offtime.

[–]SocialPowerPlayer 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Practicing yourself is better than nothing

[–]RPTA3498 0 points1 point  (1 child)

10,000. That is the number of times you must do something CORRECTLY to become a master at it. For every one time you do something wrong add 100 more repetitions. Things like youtube, Gracie University, Keenanonline, etc are great to supplement your game but there is no substitution for drilling something under the supervision of an instructor.

[–]legitimateusername4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For every one time you do something wrong add 100 more repetitions.

Wow, in an afternoon you can double the amount of time it takes you to get to master! Better never practice anything!

[–]SocialPowerPlayer 0 points1 point  (8 children)

What if there's no place that teaches proper martial arts near you?

[–]CounterEarth[S] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

That's basically impossible. Where are you based, the North Pole?

I agree with u/finesseisbless, don't bother with home-based training. You need rigor, you need expert instruction.

[–]keephundred 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have any other tips for finding a school? On top of the others posted here, I mean.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

And to add to that, old school boxing is quite proper.

[–]CounterEarth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure why this was downvoted. Classical boxing supervised and with the correct form is really rewarding. Gives you outstanding reflexes, spatial awareness and standing distance control if you can keep a routine going for a few years. True punching power is an acquired skill.

Though, with the homogenization in MMA, it's probably best to just train Muay Thai for striking and BJJ/Judo for everything else.

[–]Ezaar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Find one that is proper and go there.

[–]usedtimecapsule 1 points1 points [recovered]

I’m sure there is at least 1. Do your research and go visit the schools and watch a class.

[–]SocialPowerPlayer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There are a few but they're all phonies only in it for making money

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's impossible to grapple without a partner. Hitting a bag is not so bad if you're already trained up. Probably best to lift and run.

[–]MetalliMunk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Purple belt here as well.

I completely agree with your lessons. Jiu Jitsu and any other martial art also gives you this primal confidence around people. Knowing how to relatively handle yourself in a physical fight makes you less timid around other dominant males in the area, which I'm sure women will pick up on.

Jiu Jitsu is a constant source of trial and error and mat experience, but you have to learn from it. If you get tapped a thousand times or you tap somebody else a thousand times, none of that means anything in the long term if you can't pick apart why you got tapped or how to make the tap come easier and more efficiently. In a social sense, you can't improve yourself unless you go and experiment.

The one tip I'll give mimics what I do with my Jiu Jitsu training. Every week I set a goal for myself in class of what I want to achieve, whether it's to get better at a certain submission or maybe to escape from Bad positions quicker. At the end of the night, I have a journal that I write down notes from that nights training. I write specific things of what made my goal easier to achieve and what made it hard to achieve. The hard part is that some people train without any specific goal in mind, and because there's so many things to focus on in training, they can't develop an area and they get lost. This is the same people have to do when interacting as social environment. Pick a specific goal you want for the interaction and then after it's done write down notes and ask yourself what made that easy and what made that difficult. If it was easy, try to up the challenge for next time. If it was difficult, analyze the situation for possible obstacles that made it difficult. If you still can't figure it out, reference your knowledge base or ask sources like this subreddit for advice.

Hope that helps!

[–]Freedomoverbitches 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is no place more humbling than a training gym. You practice the act of killing and tearing limbs apart every spar session and the only thing that is keeping you alive is rules. Amazing feeling like no other, and I agree it should be a staple part of TRP.

[–]Mescalean 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I can attest to the lifts in the gym. Have never been the bulkiest guy. I have buddies i lift with that can get those 20 inch arms yet im still curling the same weight as the and everything yet mine stay at 15's and long. All pull lifts i excel greatly at more so than push. That in itself thinking about how my body functions had made me want to try jui jitzu myself. I know im going to get straight man handled my first few goes probably several. But I did have a mini lesson with a buddy whos a para trooper. He got mad. Not because i hurt him. Both the same height at 6"1" hes just a little light i was probably 185 and alot weaker back than. Called me the squirmiest untrained guy hes met. Told me he wanted me to start training and I put it off so so long. Now. To be honest im getting a little bored with just lifting. Maybe i should make the jump. This post is definitely nudging me thanks

[–]FernGari77 1 point2 points  (4 children)

BJJ is expesensive AF that is my excuse lol

[–]CounterEarth[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's expensive, but only if you consider it merely a form of exercise. Make it central to your identity and it won't be expensive at all.

[–]TaylorWolf -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

Do you want money or do you want to be a skilled and shredded fighter?

[–]FernGari77 1 point2 points  (1 child)

well Im a college student with debt up to my eyeballs. I kind of want money right now lol

[–]TaylorWolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I showed up at the gym late one day after working 12+ hour day. Someone asked me if I want money or if I want to be a fighter. Always stuck with me. Priorities.

[–]bob13bob 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How many IQ are you guys losing to combat sports though? As someone who did martial arts for 10 years, I wouldn't let my kids do it. Maybe soccer.

[–]bonekeeper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You hardly get blows to the head with BJJ though.

[–]AmputateYourHead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congrats on the purple belt!

[–]usedtimecapsule 1 points1 points [recovered]

I agree with you 100%. I’ve been doing Taekwondo for almost 6 years and I’m a second degree black belt. Anyone can get involved and you build confidence and learn how to defend yourself. Meditation is also apart of Taekwondo.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The meditative aspects are different, though....right? I mean, when probing for openings while protecting, there's little room for other thought.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (20 children)

TKD is a joke. I'd put your time into something that's real, and will aid you, if ever put in a situation. TKD is absolutely worthless for any street physical altercation.

[–]fromthecrypt8 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Agreed, I did both BJJ and TKD, and TKD is an absolute joke when it comes to self defense.

[–]TaylorWolf -1 points0 points  (1 child)

If you have all of your martial arts bases covered... striking (punching) BJJ and wrestling... it can't hurt to add a few TKD spinning back kicks and wheel kicks your aresenal

[–]CounterEarth[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just go for Muay Thai though. That will also give you exceptional clinches/standing mobility. TKD is just superfluous in the age of rounded grapplers who are comfortable kickboxing.

[–]usedtimecapsule 8 points9 points  (5 children)

It depends on what you do in Taekwondo. If you practice sport Taekwondo then your correct. Traditional Taekwondo is actual self defense that will aid me. The martial art has 2 sides to it. Don’t be ignorant and do some research.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

I've fought TKD guys. They get wiped up. You do the research. It's an embarrassment.

[–]BlackJ1 1 point2 points  (2 children)

As /u/usedtimecapsule said; there is a different between sport and traditional Taekwondo. I've done 5 years of TKD and I can tell you from experience that it teaches you relevant self-defense that is far from being "worthless for any street physical altercation".

A well placed and timed kick can end a fight real quickly. Don't believe me? Look at any TKD artist in UFC destroy their opponents with kicks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si1e0rCoCVc

[–]usedtimecapsule 1 points1 points [recovered]

Thank you I’m honestly not sure why they are saying like TKD is worthless.

[–]banjew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think TKD is worthless. Against an untrained opponent, any TKD practitioner will demolish him.

But against a trained opponent it's different. Almost no martial arts is useful in a real fight, when a knife, guns or multiple opponents might appear from nowhere. One on one, maybe boxing is best.

[–]usedtimecapsule -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As I said, the TKD guys could have been practicing sport Taekwondo where they only do sparring and don’t learn self defense.

[–]blackberrydoughnuts 0 points1 point  (4 children)

So what is real? What would you suggest?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Any or all of the 'core four'. Muay Thai. BJJ. Wrestling. Boxing. Anyone of these are solid.

[–]CounterEarth[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This. Ignoring actual competition, simply being a really good high school/college wrestler, learning how to box properly, and being jacked will put you in a better position on the street than most "martial artists" these days.

[–]banjew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Basically all UFC fights are won with a mix of BJJ and boxing.

[–]TaylorWolf -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

Hmm I don't think you would enjoy a full power spinning back-kick to the body if I attacked you at your club or bar... maybe set up with some feint punches at the dome to throw you off...

That being said I am also extremely proficient in grappling and Muay Thai so I have all the other skills to fall back on.

TKD alone is ass but don't sell TKD kicks short when you have all of your other bases covered.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Lmao. Got the whole fight planned out in your head? Wow. Lol

[–]TaylorWolf -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Always have a game plan that's how you get the W

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You've never been in a fight.

[–]TaylorWolf -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No but I have broken up quite a few street fights. I will always jump into the fray. I have sparred Muay Thai at least 100 times (I train Muay Thai with Alan Jouban) and I train Jiu Jitsu with the master Eddie Bravo. I have multiple BJJ competitions wins by submission.

[–]TaylorWolf -1 points0 points  (0 children)

LOL why would you downvote my last comment??

Strait up hater... aww did my comment you get emotional??

U got ego issues brah

[–]nightshiftoperator -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Taek yer doh is a scam. 6 years to a second degree black belt!?! Lol fuck off.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

6 years to 2nd degree is a little short, but TKD has improved, IMO.

[–]Voyaller -1 points0 points  (27 children)

Lifting weights is awesome but learning to defend yourself and others is a fucking powerful feeling.

When you look like a wall no one would try to pass that wall...

[–]theRealTedHaggard 23 points24 points  (21 children)

All of this stuff is mental madturbation. I’m a lifelong martial artist. Started boxing at 7, kickboxing at 10, Muay Thai at 12 and BJJ at 17. I’ve got over 20 years of martial arts under my belt, I’m 193 cm, about 90 kg. Yet I know perfectly well that all it takes is a midget with a knife to end my life.

[–]CounterEarth[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

You act like I don't conceal-carry though...A midget with a knife is a lovely sight for my .38 LCR.

Look, no martial art is going to be able to protect you from knives and guns reliably. You're missing the whole point of the discipline.

[–]theRealTedHaggard 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I beg to differ. First of all I’m European and guns are illegal so I’m not carrying. Second, if you’re training martial arts for street fighting you’re the one missing the point. What you wannabe training is Krav Maga.

[–]CounterEarth[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you read my OP, there isn't a word about street fighting (or even fighting at all). I'm extolling the virtues of BJJ as a life discipline. I'm not advocating taking up martial arts to be a street fighter, I'm advocating against that.

Try arguing on the street with a guy OPEN CARRYING a FNX45 or some shit... no martial art can prepare you for such an encounter including Krav Maga.

[–]theRealTedHaggard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well then we agree, not much more to say about that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LOL that fucking midget, this!

[–]Voyaller 1 point2 points  (4 children)

All of this stuff is mental masturbation.

Depends the situation you dealing with. Most people act by vision.

I’m a lifelong martial artist. Started boxing at 7, kickboxing at 10, Muay Thai at 12 and BJJ at 17. I’ve got over 20 years of martial arts under my belt, I’m 193 cm, about 90 kg.

For the sake of this post. I believe you.

I’m 193 cm, about 90 kg.

Of course the shortest one has advantage over the taller.

Yet I know perfectly well that all it takes is a midget with a knife to end my life.

After all this experience i would assume it's easy for you to spot the danger and just kick him.

[–]theRealTedHaggard 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Dodge, stab to the balls, bleed to death through your scrotum.

[–]banjew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We do plastic-knife fights in my BJJ gym.

Even the BJJ balck belt instructor with over 20 years of experience gets "knifed" once in a while, even by white belts that don't know a single thing about handling a knife (i know, I do it sometimes). It's incredible hard to dodge a knife in close-combat, and a single wound can and often kills people.

[–]ChaosRevealed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look on YouTube how easy it is for you to get slashed or stabbed in a knife fight. They simulate it when sparring with either a marker on clothing, or with a taser. You quickly realize that even the most skilled hand-to-hand artists or "self-defense" coaches are going to get cut the fuck up against someone with a knife.

[–]usedtimecapsule 0 points1 point  (7 children)

So in all your years you didn’t learn how to defend a knife attack? I could understand gun but knife?

[–]theRealTedHaggard 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Nope. Knifes aren’t allowed in any of the sports that I listed. You might as well ask a soccer player why he never learned to ski. With that said there’s no safe way of defending yourself from a knife, you’re just gambling with your life. You should just turn away and run if you can. Always assume everyone is armed, don’t walk around thinking your dick is swinging by your kneecaps. You’re not Chuck Norris.

[–]banjew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can confirm. We get into plastic-knife training fights with our BJJ instructors often. We knife them quite oftem. It's incredible hard to defend against a knife or even a screwdriver. It's blindingly fast and easy to stick it in you. I would run as hell.

That stupid youtube videos that tech you how to disarm a guy with a knife...well lets just say there's a reason they are in slow motion. Complete bullshit.

[–]CounterEarth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Krav Maga deals with knives. Don't know much about it though, used by the Israeli military.

[–]ac_bro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That shit only works in movies , unless it s a disabled toddler coming at you with a bitter knife you’re most likely gonna get stabbed

[–]Unsterder 1 points1 points [recovered]

Lol. With 6 years taekwondo you wouldn't even be able to defend yourself against a blue belt in BJJ.

[–]ac_bro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Or against a boxer who boxed for 2 months. Or against a wrestler who just learned how to properly shoot a single/double...

[–]Clueless_Norse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with this.

Training hand-to-hand combat in the army was a major confidence boost and made me feel awesome. But you also understand that all it takes is a dude with a knife, and you're garanteed to get cut in some way.

The best option is to de-escalate those situations (preferably get away), unless you are law-enforcement/military and it is your duty to stop the attacker.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yep. The best sport for self defense is the 100 meter hurdles....coming from a guy who devotes almost 8 hours a week to mat time.

[–]Schism124 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unless they do a legitimate martial art in which case they know looking like a wall means nothing when it comes to fighting.

[–]winnnnnnnnn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Easily one of the best if not best things I've done for myself. The mental, physical, spiritual benefits aren't done justice with words. You learn a lot about yourself and the other guy during sparring. I'm about 148-150 lbs got super strong powerlifting and decided to jump back into martial arts been training 7-9 times a week minimum at pretty much the MIT of grappling and probably the best Brazilian Jiu Jitsu school in the world depending upon who you ask for a year now (currently 4 stripe white) and I love it the things I can do to untrained men with 40-50 pounds on me compared to a year ago is honestly like a cat playing with a yarn ball can't imagine what type of monster ill be at purple (in 3 more years) if I keep up this pace.

[–]pbgswd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doing BJJ for over 6 years now. BJJ is full of highly valuable lessons for both your intellect and animal side. It is a brilliant philosophy of life, really.

[–]yaboiaali -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I did Brazilian jiu jitsu as well.

[–]TaylorWolf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why "did" in the past tense?

Go to BJJ class TONIGHT bitch!

[–]Chikinhok -1 points0 points  (0 children)

People say bjj is useless because it doesnt work against multiple opponents. I say if you cant beat a single opponent, there’s no end to what you can’t do 😎