Red Pill TheoryWomen always lie because they don't want you to know the truth about them. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp

aka "How to trigger half of the planet's population in one day by coding a mobile phone app".


2 quotes to illustrate the mindset you're dealing with:

But the "real me" has nothing to do with aesthetics. I cannot believe I'm typing this right now, but the value of a person has nothing to do with what they look like.

If the "real you" has nothing to do with how you look, why use makeup and why did ALL of you get angry at the mere POSSIBILITY of having the makeup removed?

My main qualm with this app is not so much the fact that it doesn't work well (or at all), but that it implies that by wearing makeup you're somehow masking yourself and not showing off the "real you." The whole idea is ridiculous, because whether you're wearing a pound of highlighter or nothing at all, you're still you — and that's something that should always be celebrated.

Perfect example of hamstering by omission. She want's to be valued for the "real her" - the "real her" she wants to show you, not the "real her" she doesn't b/c it would make her look unattractive.


Let's get some technical stuff out of the way:

1. The MakeApp doesn't work as advertised. You cannot remove the "makeup pixels" form a picture without making an empty hole in it b/c the image is "flat" bitmap, it only has one layer of data, the pixels themselves the picture. All the app does is apply another filter to "remix" the existing pixels. The filter itself does not show the true face of the person, it shows what filter wants to show, just like "dogface" does.

2. That being said, a working NoMakeupApp WILL appear. It's a matter of amount of data you have (this is the picture with makeup, that is a real "without makeup" picture) and answering the question properly (what algorithm transforms the first one into second one accurately). In that sense the MakeApp cheats b/c it didn't learn to remove makeup like above, it only applied another filter that presumes certain constant elements in the faces. BUT it is only a matter of time before we have enough will, data and technology to make it happen for real. Can't wait for the shitstorm.


The overwhelming majority of women went apeshit ballistic. I read a lot of comments on android store and (no surprise there) men went "thank you for app LMAO" and women went copy/paste " blah blah sexist misogynistic yada yada" occasionally interspaced with "don't use so much makeup then" (the prettier ones mostly) and "app doesn't work". Here are some quotes from articles in MSM:

MakeApp is a plot to make men think all woman are ugly

It probably comes as no surprise that the app was created by a man

Please refrain from more apps that target women

anyone who pays a dollar to look at a woman (...) without her makeup on is just a f*cking creep

It’s pretty rude and vaguely sexist to try to strip women, or anyone who enjoys applying makeup, of the eyeliner, blush, and cover-up they’ve applied to their face

I pity the people who are using it with the intention of figuring what others really look like

MakeApp- the app that strips away make-up- insults the intelligence of men

It plays off the tired idea that your beauty products are tied to insecurity and falsehood, and that simply isn't the case

Whether you use makeup to show the world the self you want to be, for a quick confidence boost in the morning, or as armor before you go out into the world, how you approach makeup is a choice that people make for themselves

It relies on the idea that people use makeup to "trick" others about their "real" self, which couldn't be further from the truth.

MakeApp is the brainchild of once-Kremlin-linked, Russian founder (!!!!) Business Insider characterized Gabrelynanov as a “pro-Russia propagandist.” (!!!!) the app creator and his father ran media network LifeNews, which has ties to the Kremlin. In 2015, a Mashable article called Gabrelynanov a “pro-Putin media darling.”(!!!!)

And the idea that somebody might need an app to help them figure out what somebody’s face — celebrity or normie — looks like without makeup is comical

(...) I don’t love the idea of an app that exists solely to strip women of their makeup without consent

We must ask ourselves: what exactly is the purpose of this app, and what is the male equivalent?


How it all translates into practicality:

1. Women are PRIMARILY concerned with how they look, both "how do I actually look?" and "am I perceived as attractive?". No amount of feminists/women talking about "men being sexist and sexually objectifying women" will ever change the fact that it's ALWAYS women who choose themselves to be objectified - as proven by the reactions to the app women had - "why would you want women to look unattractive?" is their main concern.

If she's mostly concerned about how you perceive her, you should expect/assume being lied to at some point. Small lie, small omission, small adjustment. She will bend over backwards (and forwards if you're alpha) to change your perception of her if she decides you're the one she should stick to. Therefore, reveal as little as you can about what you find attractive and what you look for in a girl, especially if you're browsing candidates for an LTR. She will make herself into "greenflag unicorn" despite having RedFlags all over her. Don't give her the ammo to shoot you.


2. Despite all the hamstering ("I don't care about app BUT..."), women instinctualy (as demonstrated by outrage) know that their primary value comes from how good looking they are. Or to be more precise - "how good looking am I perceived to be"?

She will ask you about this in one way or the other, her question will not be about how she really looks like ("objectively you're 15lbs over your BMI"), but about how high on the "ladder" do you place her. Any other answer than "compared to Cindy or to Jane?" will mean that you perceive her as Number 1. In womanese that means lack of dread and leads to her slacking (b/c she doesn't have to win you over anymore). In TRP terms in communicates lack of abundance (b/c you should have your Cindys and Janes anyway).


3. Women will always stick together when it comes to defending their collective image. 3,5 billion (!) women wants to keep you in the dark when it comes to how she really looks and how she really behaves when nobody's looking. They do it without any BP conspiracy that would coordinate or coerce them to deceive men. What the MakeApp "controversy" revealed to the general male-public is how much women are united in the deliberate deceit and how much they hate (actual, emotional hate and disdain) anyone who exposes even a glimpse of what they are underneath the mask they show to the world. You only have to look at words the articles and comments use to see that women will vilify any man that does that.

Never discuss women with other women in negative light, even if you're "100% absolutely convinced" that the girl you're talking to is your ally b/c the discussed girl is her competition. It's an illusion. If you complain (especially in RP terms - "she's a slut, she drinks too much, has only male friends" etc.) about one girl - you're only giving away the information about "what needs to be hidden from you/men".

Don't openly criticize women for behaving like women do (AWALT, AF/BB, slutiness, deceit and so on) - you will be labeled as an enemy of womenkind, b/c you don't help them cover up their flaws. This in turn sets you up for 2 things - being ostracized by girls (that WILL communicate your treason to other women) and being shunned by other men (women will complain to men that you're an asshole and treat them bad, men will eat it up as it plays on the "savior instinct").


4. If you're somehow (or already) on the receiving end of "gynocentric hate machine" - do not DEER. Since you're being attacked for telling things how they are, for exposing the collective and deliberate deceit - NOTHING you will say in your defence will make any difference. You're dealing with emotional based attack, therefore no logic or argument will save you.

Despite this looking like a serious witchhunt - it's nothing more than a broad shit test. Hold frame, remain calm and: agree and amplify first (you will not adopt their frame, humor disarms negative emotions). Reframe as second best ("app helps women where to apply makeup for best effect"). Can't beat them, join them - as third ("this is an app for women, not sexist men who stalk girls online"). And NEVER apologize (you lose frame and self-worth, you gain nothing).


Finally - remember the Martix quote: "If you're not one of us, you're one of them". Any man who is not aligned with (specifically) TRP is potentially someone who will stab you in the back to "defend women from your misogynistic attack" for even a brief chance of pussy. Therefore whether he's a Trump supporter, alt-right or conservative treat him as live ammo when it comes to m-f topics. They might be self-proclaimed "woke" and "redpilled", but if they don't "do" TRP, they are a potential BP that might go off in the presence of hot girl.


TL/DR: Keep TRP insights about her to yourself ("The first rule of Fightclub is..."), observe not talk ("Look what she does..."), don't criticize women openly (instead reward/punish using your attention).

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 104 points105 points  (33 children)

I think the universal female opposition to Apps like this that show the true looks of women and Reddits like TRP that show the true nature of women can be summarized in one word: POWER.

To a woman, sex is power. Her tits are power. Her flawless painted up face is power.

When you have apps that strip away the makeup, you also strip away the power.

This is why women oppose TRP and apps that show their true nature.

Women gain POWER by deception and dissembling. They get POWER by faking orgasms and pretending to be interested in what a man does.

TRP reveals the woman behind the curtain just as this App reveals the face behind the makeup....and this cannot stand.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Yes, that's the gist of TRP and that app.

Whisper did a post titled Keyfabe - once you take away the "perception management", you're left with naked reality which looks nothing like what they want you to see. Once that is revealed, your options are much broader than an average man would assume without it. This is why the app is such a problem for women, it's accessible to ANY man, not just "top notch RP alpha" who spent years on understanding how to look through the deception.

For me that kind of app is on par with male contraception when it comes to power dynamic between both sexes.

[–]RemyPrice 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm having trouble finding this post on mobile. Can anyone assist me?

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Google "kayfabe theredpill", it should pop up at top.

[–]Blackhawk2479 19 points20 points  (15 children)

For sure, and it’s interesting that you can’t strip away a genuinely alpha man’s power in the same manner because it’s not built on deception, dress-up and make believe; it’s internalised and built on knowledge, experience and putting in the hard fucking work.

To them it’s a birth-right, to us it’s hard earned.

[–]ChRoNic_Ally 4 points5 points  (0 children)

we have to make our value, women have to preserve their value.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

You're missing the obvious. It's not their birthright. If it was, they wouldn't have to use all the "beautifying" products. It's just that majority of men are beta/BP, they are sex starved and they eat up girls that are below their SMV.

[–]Blackhawk2479 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Perception is key here - to them it’s a birthright, and in their heads all the make-up, clothes and heels are just enhancing what they perceive as natural.

We know better, but then we’ve not gone our whole lives being put on a pedestal and having everything handed to us.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

to them it’s a birthright

A HB10 is a 10 because she feels like it, not because she really is a 10.

[–]leviathan51 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Could you please elaborate on this? I've never encountered the idea of a woman being as pretty to a man as she feels like on the TRP. We usually see here that a man's SMV is what he feels like, because women are primarily reactive and they value you exactly as how you value yourself. Are men reactive to hamster?

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I was unclear on what I meant by that.

You might look at the girl "objectively" and then rank her as HB5 or HB7 or HB10, based on her looks and your personal preferences (one man's 10 might be another's 7).

Let's say you rank her as HB6 but from her point of view, due to constant attention and praise she gets from other men on social media, real life orbiters and so on - she personally considers herself a HB10.

Put that in the context of:

to them it’s a birthright

She thinks she deserves the best b/c she thinks that she is the best. This is why I wrote:

A HB10 is a 10 because she feels like it, not because she really is a 10.

I was referring to her own perception of self.

In no way did I meant that men should treat her based on how she feels about herself, that was not my intention, that was poor choice of words.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Stripping away a real alpha is the whole point of the shit tests games they all play.

[–]Blackhawk2479 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Stripping away a fake alpha, surely?

If you have internal congruence with your external alpha then shit tests make no difference whatsoever.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (4 children)

A so called "real alpha" is often stripped down to a mewling beta after years of marriage, sexual denials, and conditioning towards happy wife-happy life.

Of course those millions of former college football stars and Chad Thundercocks in college with an n count north of 60 were not "real" Alphas!

Give me a break.

[–]Blackhawk2479 0 points1 point  (3 children)

If an LTR or marriage can grind you down then you still weren’t a real alpha. Not everyone wants a wife or LTR anyway.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Then there are no "true" Alphas because any man can be worn down over the years. Any man.

[–]waldo888 1 point2 points  (1 child)

love is real and love makes you weak...not really any way around it except to never love anything. which is just sad.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Finally someone states the saddest truth, but the most in need of being stated. Basically, her love "ends" when your love starts. Frustrating dynamic, but also... dynamic that can't be changed.

[–]TheDeadlyZebra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deception can be very hard work

[–]bl1871 -2 points-1 points  (12 children)

Ok ok ok so to give a compliment on any of these things-tits, thighs,ass,face,etc.- is to provide power not just a way to express attraction make them feel sexy, sexual and ready to fuck? Is that a fair translation?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (11 children)

express attraction make them feel sexy, sexual and ready to fuck

Exactly! Sex is primarily power to a woman. Sex is primarily pleasure to a man. See the difference? One gender uses Sex to get what they want while the other provides what that gender wants in order to get sex.

[–]bl1871 0 points1 point  (9 children)

So in your mindset it sounds like there is a spectrum we are talking about and woman get power and pleasure from it but "primarily power". Now do you need to deny them this power to be more affective, are you advocating not giving compliments on those attributes? I have had woman I am fucking buy me watches, clothes, be happy as fuck to spend hours cooking, which makes it appear they are willing to do all kinds of shit to get fucked and get fucked good, looking for more clarity on the issue so i can cause more of these things to happen intentionally rather than in advertantly appreciate it

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 5 points6 points  (8 children)

I am not sure this is "red pill" but it is what I believe.

If the woman is buying you things and "happy to get fucked by you" I think there is no problem with telling her she is a good girl.

I think the way you make it happen unintentionally is to force the girl to go into lockdown mode. If you "give yourself" to her she won't go into lockdown mode. If you are aloof and DNGAF they often can stay in lockdown mode for years.

Lockdown mode means she is sweet, kind, feminine, and fucks you into a coma every chance she gets. She is actively pursuing you and is trying hard to get you to commit (so she can relax, gain weight and cut off sex and start "changing you" into a compliant, sexless Beta). Lockdown mode should be rewarded but NOT by "giving yourself" to her. Rather, you reward it by providing a strong independent frame and fucking her good.

If you "reward" it by paying attention, starting to do things for her, etc she will slowly (or quickly) move out of lockdown mode and turn into sex denying harpy, bitch, complain, order, cajole, and complain some more mode- aka "Wife" mode.

I don't think this is an 'on/off' switch but many guys disagree. At some point they flip a switch and their behavior changes from compliant and happy to rude and complaining and from sexy and horny to cold and withdrawn. Many guys report this happens almost instantly and others report a slow decline into oblivion. In both cases, the decline is preceded by the man realizing that he really, really loves this woman and could not live without her.

[–]bl1871 0 points1 point  (7 children)

So how would you express this attraction/making them feel like a sexual creature and showing your sexual interest without handing over the power?

[–]donttouchmykicks 1 points1 points [recovered]

don't co-habitate, don't buy anything (or split), don't txt too much, don't always answer or return calls. i personally let everyone know i'm actively seeing other girls, but i give specific reasons i don't like other girls and why the current girl i'm with is way better (makes them feel good and try harder to win).

obnoxious game.

[–]bl1871 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Right on, fuckin rad practical instances, when your saying split, don't split the check? Are you including goin dutch where they pay there's you pay yours?

[–]donttouchmykicks 1 points1 points [recovered]

i meant don't buy OR split the bill with her (so yea dutch)

[–]bl1871 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Right on... The not paying for anything or splitting the check-seeing as some of her total may be more than yours- makes sense and your get dressed you're getting me a steak will work with a woman you've already have hooked and are pipin' down. What's the drawback to goin dutch- she pays her bill and you pay yours- when first interacting? Appreciate your thoughts

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Express attraction

Kino. No words are needed, just a warm embrace or a light finger down the neck.

making them feel like a sexual creature

Taking power during sex is the most natural thing in the world for a man and nothing makes a girl feel more like a sexual creature than a good rodgering.

Read the Sex God Method.

[–]bl1871 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are fuckin bad ass, yeah that is not a problem once you're in it it absolutely comes natural shoving her head down in to the pillow or bed and telling her what to do it's the intermediary leading up to it, definitely will scope that book. you are fuckin rad no compliments to bring out sexual nature that would surrender power instead use kino, makes sense although I've had good results with face to face compliments your approach to it is resonating with me as a better way for what ever reason.

[–]Westernhagen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One gender uses Sex to get what they want

Until they get what they want. Then the sex stops (see: marriage, deadbedrooms in).

For many years prior to marriage, they hone their "obtain resources without providing sex in return" skills by keeping beta orbiters at their beck and call.

[–]Banned-in-Boston 1 points1 points [recovered]

Actually, women will pay more for this kind of app than men.

Women dress/makeup to primarily compete with other women.

They will use it to learn more about their rivals, and as a group, to dish shit against those women outside of their clique.

There is lots of profit opportunity in the perfected app.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (1 child)

we don't deserve technology

[–]SittingDistance 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This whole thing is hilarious to me, because now that their shit is in the open, they come unglued. You are correct, women would probably be the primary market for a perfected pay to use app. That being said, I️ would buy it just to support something that generates such an awesome response.

[–]Justforthecans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shit, you have a "female" in the comments below, saying just as much.

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Over time technology will expose people for who they truly are.

Imaging software already can forecast what people will look like at 20, 30, 40, 50 and also at 10, 20, 30 pounds over weight. It’s just getting started. Wait until software gets fed social media posts, audio recordings, family data, etc. a couple years from now you’ll have a good idea of risk as it relates to your plate. Makeup removal is just the beginning.

You would be a fool not to use this as a defensive tool for plates and LTR potentials.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Truth. This and other data driven risk/prediction models will become more prevalent and accessible. Right now this type of stuff is used in big companies for risk management. Eventually you’ll be able to point some app at your plate’s Facebook page and it will assess her risk. This isn’t crazy future shit this is around the corner. As an aside this tech will be applied in all other sorts of cringe inducing ways we probably won’t like either. Some employers are already doing this.

[–]rp_tsukaisute 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Pretty sure the app does indeed work by your #2 method, using deep learning techniques to automatically figure out the kind of things that need to be changed to go from real made-up pic to real no-makeup pic via training. Of course the result isn't "real", but in some sense it's at least realistic.

I don't know why so many people assume otherwise. What you're assuming in #1 would actually be extremely difficult with current technology to accomplish with any sort of realism. #2 is actually very easy (but only for the last couple of years. And not easy to do from scratch, but the machine learning libraries are readily available with examples similar to this) and is also what the app claims to do..

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There were multiple examples of the filter being applied more than once to the same, already filtered picture. All it did was amplify the same elements on the face. This means, as much as I can pragmatically understand it, that it's an universal effect applied to bitmap, not something that analyzes each picture individually.

[–]rp_tsukaisute 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All it did was amplify the same elements on the face

What exactly would you expect a deep net trained on before/after applying foundation to do?

universal effect applied to bitmap

Nah, that wouldn't even align changes to faces. You could train a facial recognition AI to align things the way instagram filters put dog ears on people, but the effect would have awful artifacts along the edges if you used it just to apply manually designed filters.

Check out https://deepart.io/ to see a very cool example (that's years old now).

[–]brinkleybuzz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Women lie to men because they regularly lie to themselves as a defense mechanism to protect their fragile egos. They don't want to admit the truth about themselves. That's what the rationalization hamster is for.

[–]buddhadarko 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Women are wired to compete with other women because high value men are scarce. They put on heels to make themselves taller, they change the natural color of their hair and even the style of their natural hair (curly haired women want straight hair and vice versa), put on eye shadow and eye liner (which I will never understand), and they color their lips and nails. Women will pay whatever amount to do something to themselves that they believe enhances their image, which subsequently changes the reactions and amount of attention they get from MEN.

They will hamster their way around it, saying things like "I like to look my best" or as OP pointed out "I'm still me under all this make-up". Women are too wrapped up in their own reality (which we've covered in TRP plenty of times) so they are unable to see the folly that they've deluded themselves into believing to be concrete truth about things like make-up and any other enhancement tool for their appearance. I've seen women get gussied up to go to the damn supermarket or so sit in a dark movie theater. If this isn't a manifestation of delusion, I don't know what is.

Women need validation for their looks because their looks attract men and they want to attract the best possible man they can get, or, be able to "steal" high value men from other women who don't look as good as they do.

Any other explanation that women give that does not include their innate desire to attract the best possible man for themselves is utter bullshit.


[–]Blackhawk2479 16 points17 points  (1 child)

They put on heels to make themselves taller

Nah, it’s to make their legs look more slender and to accentuate the feminine aspects of their gait (hip sway, stride length, etc). It’s almost never about height - as verified by many 6 foot plus women who still like wearing heels.

eye liner (which I will never understand)

Well-applied eye liner looks sexy as fuck and can make a massive difference to facial attractiveness.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Eye liner creates an optical illusion that makes the eyes look bigger. Most women don’t know this but that’s why.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

they are unable to see the folly that they've deluded themselves into

Especially when it comes to the more negotiable and ambiguous characteristics like "how much partners is too much" and, what's directly tied to this, how easily they give it away.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This is akin to a babel fish translation between what they say and what they do. Leveraging the MSM talking points shows the masking to cover up the hamstering (media needs to keep them feeling good for ad revenue). Juxtaposing current events against TRP tenets hopefully wakes a few people up so they can see the bullshit you're fed by the media and hamsters-at-large.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

hopefully wakes a few people up so they can see the bullshit you're fed by the media and hamsters-at-large.

I was genuinely surprised by how much men appreciated the app, thus it's implications.

[–]1ozaku7 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Women use makeup to stand out from other women, or atleast blend in with the beauty or stay aside with the ugly. Once a low-value woman finds a decent man, she will go far, even start cooking or baking which she hasn't done before, change her clothing style, change her makeup style, make you your favorite meal, change her haircolor, anything to please her new man to get him to commit. As soon as commitment shows, her efforts to go waste. Suddenly, you end up with a woman that is just like she was before, and you are too deep in the shit to get as easily out as before if you are just a Billy Beta.

Not only their faces wear makeup, but their personality too. All of it fades as soon as she has reached her goal.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bait an hook. As Rollo said, for one sexual strategy to work another one has to be abandoned. IOW once she thinks she has you, you're done as an alpha for her.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

. That being said, a working NoMakeupApp WILL appear

Can't be done. You simply have no way to know her base colouration or miscolouration or blotches. It's called concealer for a reason.

The overwhelming majority of women went apeshit ballistic.

haha hilarious list of quotes from women misattributing and lying as usual to shame anything that unveils their deceit (or even tries to). Women don't like it, therefore it's sexist.... as per usual.

Women will always stick together when it comes to defending their collective image

Specifically they collude against men. They could collude to not wear makeup, but this would lower their collective value and be vulnerable to defectors. Instead they collude to agree a high value for women, and attack men for saying otherwise. Then by calling us sexist, they think half of us will agree and irrationally defend their honour. Sadly they are right on this.

Don't openly criticize women for behaving like women do (AWALT, AF/BB, slutiness, deceit and so on) - you will be labeled as an enemy of womenkind, b/c you don't help them cover up their flaws.

Right. It's much more powerful to be subtly accepting of their ways, rephrasing our concepts in female friendly terms. "Yeah, sometimes you just get lonely" and "it's nice to have support but you also need fun" and "yeah, it's nice to be with someone new occasionally". This way they will elicit their worst behaviours and you can discount them for a serious LTR. Women are just itching to confess, and they readily will when they feel it's safe to do so.

Despite this looking like a serious witchhunt - it's nothing more than a broad shit test. Hold frame, remain calm

Not entirely. You can't always pass the "shit test" of being prosecuted. You can swing things a lot in your favour, but sooner or later her lies will be heard by the white knights who believe that victims are always right and you're a rapist. Different strategies come into play dealing with the police rather than a girl having a little meltdown.

Any man who is not aligned with (specifically) TRP is potentially someone who will stab you in the back to "defend women from your misogynistic attack" for even a brief chance of pussy.

This will happen even with men who you think are RP. The weak will always pretend to agree with you, ready to stab you in the back when they can. Be careful who you trust.

[–]1GreenPiller 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm amazed at how many women are actually ugly as fuck without makeup. Only 1 out of 100 remains decent looking.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To be honest I'm past caring about what women are, do and think. Just see women as a way of draining your balls and you'll feel much better about yourself rather than getting depressed becuase she doesn't want to fuck you anymore or be your girlfriend. If they leave you just go hunt for some more snatch in your local area to rattle.

[–]10J18R1A 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Meanwhile women will hate you if you say you're 6'2 and you're 6'1

[–]Aaronindhouse 15 points16 points  (1 child)

No lie. I was at work tuesday and my coworker was talking and his height was relevant to our conversation at the time(can't remember what it was) and he told me 5'7". A female coworker came over and said, "excuse me, how tall did you say you were?" He was like im five seven. She was like,"nuh uh, you ain't no five seven, cuz I'm five three and you sho ain't tall enough to be no five seven. Then she looked him up and down and smug laughed at him and walked away. The dude was suddenly shifted into this depressed state. It was funny and sad at the same time. I felt bad for him. She was clearly disgusted by the idea that he would try to get away with lying about his height. Meanwhile she had caked on makeup and a wig.

[–]jumpinglane 5 points6 points  (0 children)

blood boiling so hard right now, can't help it.

[–]lifeonlockdown 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Only $0.99?!? I'm buying the app just to show RP support for the creator and because I'm all for truth in advertising!

[–]TheKingScoundrel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was out with a friend the other day and we bumped into a mutual friend, who (during our conversation) brought up that app and said about how she hates it, and it's weird that anyone would download it.

My friend says, "Oh, I'm not threatened by it. I don't have to wear much makeup at all."

Holy shit women are good at power talk.

[–]JustForTRP 22 points23 points  (22 children)

I think Gay Lube Oil always says if you hide your red pill affiliation from your women you're still a plugged in beta.

Never join them - always keep the attack up. And always talk about fight club and always criticize them openly... if you're man enough

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (11 children)

You don't have to mention TRP, but you can make it clear you are not interested in bullshit. My line is typically something along the lines of "Since I was 15 I've lived by my grandfather's simple motto 'if they don't suck your dick or put money in your hand, you don't have to give a fuck'". My wife's female friends still try shit on me almost eight years later and I still say "Do you suck my dick? No. So why would I give a fuck what you have to say." Granted I do it all smiles with a chuckle. If my wife chimes in with "I haven't sucked your dick in three days," I quip back "yeah and I haven't given a fuck or done what you asked for three days, we'll fix that tonight."

Most people know I'm a pretty good guy all around (yeah I'm an evil shit at time but that's business), and as long as people don't try shit I'm good to live and let live. I have no use for kings or queens but for to have a backside to plunge my knife into.

[–]FinancierGuru 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I've added grandpa's quote to my bookmarks.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's full glory is "If they don't suck your dick or put money in your hand, you don't have to give a fuck."

[–]Trooper_1868 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Im stealing this quote hehe

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries, the more men that live by it, the better.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I thought so too, still do to a certain extent - an alpha, especially RP one, doesn't care about what others think. But what you/GLO is advocating will not be without consequences for an average man.

GLO runs his own business, so he can do as he pleases without much consequences. That's not the case for a corporate worker or even a company that doesn't find xyz offensive but the customers of the company do.

GLO relies on people talking about him. The spreading of his "offensive" tweets is a good for him, especially from the easily offendable crowd. For an average man, it's a threat, not marketing. One report from an angry beta or a some random girl and your career is over and men here have been reported for MUCH less.

Another thing to consider is the accusation of spreading "hate speech" which currently is borderline criminal offense.

By all means spread RP affiliation - once you're in a position that it can't hurt you.


It would be also beneficial to distinguish "spreading RP" from "I'm angry, just found out RP, so I will call out everyone on their bs". First one is a goal, second one is venting the frustration of a recovering beta (instead of transforming it into motivation to work on himself).

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In other words, don't let life happen to you. Do what you have to do to set your narrative, and goals in place.

Tell about yourself, or don't. Just don't think you have to do it to be alpha. My ol lady knows I am, I sure as fuck don't tell my boss, it's none of her business, and it doesn't benefit me

[–]forgetful_storytellr 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Isn't this in direct conflict with the law of power that states think for yourself but behave like others?

I wonder about your thoughts on these two competing tenets.

[–]JustForTRP -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

law 38 obviously goes against law number 4 "always draw attention to yourself"

come on nigga..

[–]forgetful_storytellr 1 point2 points  (2 children)

So are the 48 laws of power contradictory by nature?

If so, which do we follow?

If not, both actions are acceptable which means that the advice isn't really advice at all since all courses of action lead to identical outcomes, all things equal.

Alternatively, you're assuming that drawing attention to yourself isn't something that "others" do, which is clearly not true since it's patently obvious that others draw attention to themselves all the time. See twitter and instagram if you don't believe me.

Come on, nigga...

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The laws contradict one another and are situational. They are not a guide but a list of strategies. Some strategies work for some guys, some work for other guys. It is up to you to figure out what works for you.

[–]forgetful_storytellr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're not laws at all, then.

I guess "the 48 situationally based suggestions of power" Didn't quite have the same ring to it.

[–]SolaireOfCaestora 0 points1 point  (2 children)

"Hey girl, I'm red pilled as fuck, you wanna suck my dick?"

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's basically using TRP to stand out from the majority of BPs and using TRP to go further down the IDGAF line that non-RP alpha is used to or understands.

What JustForTRP means (in m-f context at least) is going explicitly GLO-style-trolling for eliciting emotions due to the fact that most of that we talk about here is very polarizing for non-TRP people. After that you hold frame and either get your own one-night followers or you burn the set b/c you ignored calibration and your target conforms to the majority that tries to shame you.

Another way to look at it is like a variation of direct game. You are a hammer, hence everything else is nail. The stronger your frame is the more chance that others will conform to being nails, with the caveat that it will probably create as much crooked nails b/c you hit too hard.

Source: been there, done that. It does work, some people prefer it, some don't. It's context dependent, who you are, who your dealing with and how much can you get away with depending on the difference between the two.

[–]JustForTRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

glad we understand eachother

fyi: i am a fake account for someone else

[–]frankalliance 1 points1 points [recovered]

100s of millions of dollars a year are spent on ads to convince women to wear make up.

You aren't going to undo that kind of programming in one day.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don't underestimate the power of big data. Last year some foundation gamified protein design. In few months they found a protein "solution" to a disease that conventional medicine looked for decades.

[–]SomberRook 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I pity the people who are using it with the intention of figuring what others really look like.

If this doesn't show the state of the times we live in I don't know what does.

[–]la_vie_en_rouge 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm female and I actually like this app. It's basically a zombifier. No one loses and no one wins. You could have a photo of someone wearing no makeup and it would still zombify them into a crackhead. I'm just going to start doing this to photos of people I don't like, applying level after level until I'm staring at Freddy Kruger

[–]Mr_IamNotGandalf 8 points9 points  (7 children)

I'm in CS and would like to make a small correction: A true noMakeUp App will never exist, because destroying information is the purpose of makeup and reverse engineering destroyed information is impossible.

[–]HopeFarmer 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I'm also in CS and cannot make sense of what OP is saying about the functionality of a "true" noMakeUp App. Does that mean an algorithm that is trained separately for each subject's face? The bit about the pixels makes no sense to me.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

A bitmap has one layer of information, pixel colour. Psd has layers, you can accses .psd layers and remove them if you know what effects have been applied. With raster images you only can modify existing pixels, removing existing pixels leaves black ones, unless you save it as transparency-able fire like .tiff.

What I saw in the examples was applying the same effect to different pictures. It's especially visible in the examples where the app was used to go multiple times through already filtered picture Hence my conclusion that this is a "pixel remix matrix" applied just like you add blur or any other effect. It's a universal effect, not tailored to each image at all.

The bit about the pixels makes no sense to me.

I'm not a professional at Photoshop at all. If you know how this app works, even roughly how, do explain.

[–]HopeFarmer 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Ok. I think I get the idea more. I just didn't understand what kind of issue you were talking about with the pixels. You can't remove makeup pixels or something like that because like Mr_IamNotGandalf said, the information is destroyed, so the correction is fundamentally probabilistic (Machine Learning). On some level there has to be a standard discrete pattern applied, but ideally there should be an insanely enormous number of these pixel rearrangement patterns that vary depending on the features of the image. The more data, the less the algorithm will seem like a simple cookie cutter filter.

I couldn't get the app to work on my phone, but I'd guess it lacks the data to do a really sophisticated individual analysis of faces and types of makeup or it might require too much computation to do that for each individual use. A perfect version of this app would need an impossibly powerful generative model for people's faces that was precise enough to differentiate makeup features from non makeup features unique to each face ("generative" meaning that it doesn't just have to ID faces but has to "understand" them well enough to redraw them). I think it could in theory be done pretty well if you had tons of pictures of each person as well as tons of training pictures of makeup and faces in general. Without a bunch of pictures of the specific person it seems like it would have to involve a lot of guess work. That would probably explain the pixel remix matrix thing you mentioned.

One thing that might make the app better would be generating multiple alternative versions of the no-makeup face, each assigned a probability based on similar training data (clusters of different kinds of people who look similar or wear similar makeup to the target person). Then the human user could pick the one that seemed most likely.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

if you had tons of pictures of each person as well as tons of training pictures of makeup and faces in general.

That's what I was talking about when I wrote about "the true NoMakeupApp is inevitable".

On Producthunt the author said the app does the computation locally, so I'm assuming they used google or stock photos as input to create the "filter". No actual data-based user feedback, which is honestly rather surprising considering what they went for. That's not "AI designed to learn", that's market probing, like a fake WP landing page.

[–]HopeFarmer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I imagine there is some matching going on under the hood where it tailors results based on similar images or something but it probably isn't very fleshed out. They might have been afraid of the legal issues around gathering lots of pictures of specific people from social media or user input. I worked with a firm that gathered lots of info from social media and we had to use a lot of workarounds and loopholes to get what we needed. For user input, there would be the issue of rights to the data. On the other hand they might just not know how to gather the data necessary for that. Somebody does. Whether they will act on that is questionable since that kind of press would be risky for a big company now. I can imagine a version of this that lets the user input a bunch of training data (e.g. You submit all the girl's Instagram pictures). Of course that computation would probably need to be on an expensive server, not locally like you said they are doing it, so they would have to be making money.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the explanation. I simplified why/how the app does what it does too much, as it turns out.

[–]Aaronindhouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It could be possible to generate an image of a woman with no makeup with the new capabilities of the iphone X's two cameras. The depth maps captured might be usable to restore the natural tone of their faces vs the fake ones they apply with makeup through sampling skin color and applying to their face with the depth mask. Of course its still not the original, but you might be able to get pretty close. Blemishes and things like that would probably still be mostly invisible.

[–]Veruc_US 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My main qualm is that it implies that by wearing makeup you're somehow masking yourself and not showing off the "real you."

  1. That's literally what makeup is and does to some degree.

  2. Nowhere does the app imply that someone using makeup is hiding their real self; it's self evident. See 1.

What a dolt.

[–]Gawernator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that the app you are talking about that would apply to all women/people is basically impossible.

[–]TopKekSkye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They actually tried to link Makeapp to Russia? At this point I’m not even surprised

[–]banjew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any man who is not aligned with (specifically) TRP is potentially someone who will stab you in the back

Wow slow down cowboy! this is not a sect....yet.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just be a better liar than the girl.

[–]boy_golden1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy shit! I posted my insight regarding MakeApp in my fb account and how women's SMV is all about beauty and youth. Guess what? dozens of my female friends went full apeshit lmao Deleted it and will never do it again

[–]MetatronsRubiksCube 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For your point 4, what does DEER stand for?

[–]bag_of_dick-tits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

women lie thinking they can fool anyone with an adequate IQ because they are shortsighted, greedy, impulsive etc. that's a definition of a woman

[–]c_r_e_a_msugah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Loves it! If only there was an app to figure out a guys dick size without actually undressing said guy. Now that would be a game changer.

[–]G5_Shadows -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Celebrity or Normie"

That just depressed me.

[–]Suggadeck -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Is this sub the new r /incel?

[–]SubjectiveObjects -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't give a shit and it's not all.