My Grandma's Response to My Alpha Grandfather's Decline: a Horrific AWALT Story (self.TheRedPill)

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My grandfather was, as far as I've heard, a complete alpha. Guy was the patriarch of the house and never showed an ounce of weakness. He was known to be the center of the room, which I can attest for as his oldest son (my uncle) is exactly the same. He very clearly raised his sons to be the alphas of every room. Pictures of him at functions have been digitally saved, and they clearly back this.

In the late 80s, his company and another's merged. He and the other owner shook hands that he'd be given a high post at the new company. Unfortunately, he made the critical mistake of not signing any legal papers. The new company rescinded their word, and did not hire him. This sudden unemployment resulted in a quick downhill for the family of 3 kids financially. The family lived in a hotel at the lowest point of this. After finding a new middle class home, my two uncles and my mother went off to college.

Very soon after the kids were out, Grandpa was diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer. Even though he didn't show emotional instability, the circumstances were "too much" for Grandma and suddenly drifted apart from him, and did not consider them together when he passed. She did not visit, and feigned emotion. My grandpa's dying wish was for my mother to make sure Grandma was taken care of.

Women will, time and time again, leave when you cannot provide for them. AWALT.

[–]choomguy 272 points273 points  (37 children)

Oh yeah. I spend a fair amount of time working around retired couples in high end developments where the age range is 65 to dead. Its the rare woman who will do even a reasonable job taking care of a guy in his final years after spending his whole life taking care of her. Many have even told me that when he passed it was a relief. I have never seen it the other way, ive only seen guys who doted on their ailing spouse and were pretty much crushed when they pass away. Men are the true romantics, even senior women are very quick to start shopping for a replcement.

[–]DamnDirty_Ape 1 points1 points [recovered]

even senior women are very quick to start shopping for a replcement

They are hardwired to quickly adapt to a new Alpha. Just look at how female lions go into heat and mate with new alpha male lions after their cubs are killed by him. That instinct carries through to all women to some extent, just like we are hard wired to want to fuck as many women as possible.

[–]Cozc 63 points64 points  (4 children)

You take too much agency away from women. Just as it is a choice for me to not play into my wiring and fuck everything that moves, she also makes that same choice whether to succumb to her wiring.

[–]flam3srock 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I disagree.

These urges are so strong, you can't understand them. If a man turns weak, it is as repulsive to her as a woman putting on 300lbs and growing a moustache. Our biology is hard to overcome.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just as it is a choice for me to not play into my wiring and fuck everything that moves

Blind ego.
Just because your sex drive is low or you are complacent with one or two vagina's, doesn't equate to "total control" over your biology.

We also have to make sure that the byproducts of social programming aren't overlooked. There are a ton of social blockades that keep people from fucking more than they do already. It isn't an individual's superior self-control.

She would fuck your brother and father and maybe grandpappy if it were acceptable. Not because she is an asshole, but because she is designed to get the best sperm.

[–]Cozc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the pre frontal cortex is vestigial then? Without control we would all be cavemen either killing or raping anything with a pulse.

While she may want to fuck my entire family her frontal lobe is telling her "no that will cause problems" and she will make a choice to either do what her urges say or to do what benefits the family/society/social structure

[–]tteabag2591 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is the best way to pass through the anger phase. To realize it isn't the best way for sexuality to play out. It just leads to more betas.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 17 points18 points  (10 children)

As JBP states it, we have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors. There is a reason for that. Don't argue with me you fools. Look him up. I'm just passing on info.

[–]Mr-Kabuki 12 points13 points  (3 children)

It's because roughly only 50 percent of human males that ever lived passed on genes.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Winner, winner, chicken dinner. Without women's branch swinging and hypergamy, all of us wouldn't be who we are today. We'd be weaker as a human race and possibly not even exist in this modern life we live.

Losers don't deserve to breed is what evolution used to practice, but women today have become so enamored with material possessions that they will have any weak ass beta's baby simply to extract financial resources. Now that is a problem. The greed of the woman today is sending the human race down the evolutionary toilet with so many weaklings passing on their seed in exchange for financial gain on the woman's part.

What to do about it if anything is at all possible at this point?

[–]Mr-Kabuki 0 points1 point  (1 child)

you know sometimes it confuses me a bit. betas are usually just weak minded and misguided, and its not always just genes that made them that way but a lot of it was nurture. I mean most of here obviously didn't have the alpha fathers we wanted to teach us how to be real men. But as long as communities like this exist, I still believe there is some hope for the beta cucks of tommorow.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well on an evolutionary scale, we are mostly descendants of alpha genes, because women bred with alpha genes more so than beta genes on a whole over the last millennia. But, now we are seeing the powers of social conditioning which is a relatively new strategy for the powers at be. Rather than wage war on a physical level, war is being waged on a psychological and social level. So, I do believe there is hope as millions of years of evolution can surely overcome a few decades of social conditioning. But, I could be wrong.

[–]BokehClasses 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Well JBP is a cuck who only tells men that they should pull their weight. He does not tell the same thing to women.

Even after knowing mamy red pill truths, he still advocates for men to follow traditional conservative paths.

Don't get me wrong, JBP has really amazing work, but when it comes to the relationship dynamics between men and women I don't listen to him.

[–]KarmaEnthusiast 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think they build on two different philosophies. JBP's is a societal shift through meditation/reflection and TRP's is a personal shift through assessment of current society and navigating it.

I wouldn't consider him to be a cuck given how much influence and leadership he shows young men like myself.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As with every inspirational figure, one cannot follow another person's path 100%. I think that is a given. Am I wrong?

JBP is pretty awesome. Maybe he doesn't tell women the same thing he tells men, because he knows his words will fall on deaf ears with them. LOL.

As far as conservative paths, barring marriage in the U.S.A., what is wrong with that? Maybe elaborate more on that point, because conservative paths for me mean keeping free speech free from marxist censorship, and keeping individual freedoms intact from the masses. Those are very noble conservative paths in this era of leftist, ideologic power grabs.

[–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (2 children)

He does not tell the same thing to women.

Good, he isn't a woman.

If he told women the same thing, even more, people like you would be triggered.

[–]BokehClasses 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Wait, how does it make me more triggered? Please explain.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Comments like the one above are based from a "never satisfied" point of view.

JP has a job to keep and a side business to run. He isn't a cuck because he is doing it better than most others or because a handful of people are butthurt over his delivery. His supply has always been available, the demand is only recent. He is taking advantage of an opportunity. If anything, he is showing leadership and power.

Gaining power, has success, intelligent, good looking, in decent shape, not afraid to hold his ground or speak his mind .... how do you label that "cuck". He is TRP by example.

I equate "triggered" to those who don't know what they want and will always find something to neg.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Yeah man, this stuff is sad. But it's really only said through a blue-pill lense. Once you know women, you know to expect this. I look at the way my mom bitches around my dad, who's done nothing but work his ass off and provide for her for 40 years now. But how she looks at me, her only son with stars in her eyes, is much different. They love differently than we do. They adore and respect their kids more than their spouses.

My wife lies constantly about little stupid things. They're not moral creatures. They don't value honor or real contractual love. But it doesn't matter. Live for you. Enjoy them for what they are, not for what Disney told you they were. But never stop living for you.

[–]choomguy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah, funny how when you live for you, they hop on board.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they hop on board.

Because it is their job to nest your ass. Does neck-beard video game skinny fat guy scream, "I got your back" in a biological sense?

[–]Prophet6 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Your comment is tragic and beautiful.

[–]choomguy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well thank you, i only meant it to be a factual representation of what ive experienced.

[–]juliusstreicher 4 points5 points  (0 children)

even senior women are very quick to start shopping for a replacement.

Joan Rivers talked about this on TV after her husband, Edgar, died. She was either at his funeral or at home making funeral arrangements when one of her BFFs said "Who do you know?" which Joan understood to mean "What man do you know that you can marry?" Joan was saying that it was some kind of natural drive for women. Poor dipshit Edgar probably thought that she would mourn him for at least a month!

[–]yomo86 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is sad but it's true. My grand-ma was exactly the same. Not so bold as to tell that it was a relief when grandpa died but more along the lines of he is in a better place so let's start riding the CC again which meant as an older person going on cruise ship trips.

[–]halfback910 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Really? I've worked in nursing homes and I've seen plenty of old women doting on their husbands who are essentially corpses with a pulse. I'm very surprised that you see the reverse more because husbands generally are far more likely to have Alzheimer's, predecease, etc.

I think that if someone is virtually braindead anything you once may have owed them is gone. That person you felt you owed your respect and love to has died. Only a body being kept alive remains.

[–]mishasam89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it really depend on the age group doesn't it?

[–]choomguy 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Its anecdotal to be sure, and alot of what you say is true. Intersting that you mention alzheimers, its insidious, ive watched a handful of cases firsthand and even after years, your loved one can have lucid moments. So yeah, i think its pretty easy to hang on for that moment of recognition.

[–]halfback910 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Fortunately we're pretty close to curing the symptoms of Alzheimer's. So while the plaque will still build up, we will be able to dissolve it.

[–]choomguy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So its a treatment, not a cure. Cures are not nearly as profitable.

[–]halfback910 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean... Yeah. But it can REVERSE symptoms! So I'm optimistic.

[–]TheEndlessRoadAhead 1 point2 points  (1 child)

A weak, ill or disabled man is a burden on the tribe.

There are cross cultural examples of men who chose death over being a burden.

It's also why veterans are generally treated like shit. Bled for their country, injuries, maybe he's missing a leg or an arm or an eye, PTSD, comes back home, maybe gets a medal and then he's on his own. Thanks for your service bud, now kindly fuck off.

We're all expandable boyos, and no where is this more evident than in the way women treat men when they're down and out.

[–]choomguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Muh patriarchy, muh wage gap, muh white privilege.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Many have even told me that when he passed it was a relief.

Because they weren't happy in their relationships. People who wer 65 and older lived through a different decade. A decade in which women stayed home with the kids and obeyed her husband. Just because he took care of her doesn't mean anything. Children are taken care of but some are miserable/hate their parents.

I have never seen it the other way, ive only seen guys who doted on their ailing spouse and were pretty much crushed when they pass away.

Well, no woman to cook and clean for him. No woman to obey his commands.

Men are the true romantics,

What? Men are more likely to leave their sick wives and cheat because "she got fat".

[–]choomguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gave you an upvote for the cute story ma’am.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of those same romantic dopes probably pushed the wife away or said something like "leave me, carry on your journey".

I'm not defying AWALT, but let us be real, 80% of those walking dead are hopeless betas, not abandoned Alphas.

[–]TRP_mask 82 points83 points  (29 children)

Then why my grandmother always stayed with my grandfather even though he was suffering from dementia for years now and he couldn't even talk normal anymore? Why would she have stayed if really AWALT?

You can downvote because it is against TRP logics but then at least take the time to answer properly.

[–]searcher612 28 points29 points  (5 children)

For some it is likely a protection mechanism. If there is a belief (or in your case example) that a woman can be as good as your grandmother, then 99% of men will "catch" oneitis with that special one (they will now know it IS possible). This is basically how many men were raised; they were raised believing the default behavior of women was like your grandmothers.

It is easier (for some) to instead believe this sort of thing isn't possible; thus never catching oneitis. BTW, also I think this is a changing thing ... women today are not like women from your grandmothers generation (neither are men).

[–]TRP_mask 4 points5 points  (4 children)

As this all happened when I was young (I'm still 17) it's indeed part of how I was raised, backed up with a real life experience. It's a good thing to take into account that my grandmother is from a different time, it's just hard to believe my grandmother would be that rare 1% of women. TRP might have changed the way I think about women, examples such as these make it hard to connect some of the dots.

[–]searcher612 11 points12 points  (0 children)

AWALT doesn't mean your grandmother did or will cheat for example. It means she is capable of that, or was, given the right circumstances. It's possible said circumstances never presented themselves, for a whole variety of reasons.

[–]AshyLarry27 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The problem here is she was probably a big part of your life seeing as she is family. Your ego developed a stronger hold of the notion that this is more AWALT to you since you were repeatedly exposed to it. Almost like a form of indoctrination, like if you grew up home-schooled to believe 2+2 = 5. It's easy to learn real math later and acknowledge 2+2=4, but you're ego and brain are so conditioned 2+2=5 because of what you were repeatedly exposed to. It's a rough transition.

[–]bitchpotatobunny 7 points8 points  (4 children)

You misunderstand AWALT. It doesn't mean they all WILL act certain ways. It means they all CAN, and are often most likely to, act certain ways. The idea is to understand it is in their nature and not to seem so shocked when/if it happens.

[–]Godskook 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This subreddit, and OP, too often for my tastes, seem to forget this and just assume they all WILL.

[–]bitchpotatobunny 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah, but I think that a lot of people, the majority of people, actively commenting or writing posts about AWALT meaning women are all cheating whores are in the anger phase. Not saying they all are, but a lot. I'm guilty myself. When I first started learning and unplugging, I took it like that was as well. Hell, at first I even thought that TRP was a type of PUA forum. After I'd taken time to reread a lot of material and really digest what was being said is when I started to see the larger picture an understand its value.

[–]Godskook 1 point2 points  (1 child)


PUA are all, by definition, red-pill'ed.

TRP is primarily PUA-based, but since PUAs are red-pilled, so is TRP. While other branches of the red-pill manosphere are perfectly welcome here, this is primarily a PUA space. For instance, I'm personally against the PUA-exclusive ideas(such as strategizing for plates instead of LTRs), but I feel like I could post discussions on that, or discussions on MGTOW vs. Trad-Cons, on this subreddit. I'd just be in the minority.

[–]bitchpotatobunny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see it differently.

I see TRP as a sexual strategy based on opening your eyes to how the world works and using that knowledge to improve yourself as a whole. Not just how to talk to and deal with women, but how to become a man women will want.

I see PUA as how to convince women to sleep with you. How to guess what she's looking for and portray that even if that's not who you are. How to adapt your actions and words to what she might want.

[–]GunnarX 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Because AWALT refers to a woman’s biology. They are capable of rational thinking and action, but it is all situational. Your grandmother logically understood that it was in her best interest to do what she did, and it’s a great thing.

Albeit do not think for a moment that she GAINED any attraction for your grandpa in his time of need. It’s only her biology.

[–]vitringur 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Of course she didn't gain any attraction. Sick and dying people are not attractive. That has nothing to do with The Red Pill.

You are just putting forth a narrative that is not falsifiable. pseudo science.

[–]dzkkne 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is no criticism, but an observation:

After reading Rollo's second Rational Male book, he explains the hypergamy in a lot of detail. I would suggest to a lot of TRP readers to read it at least a couple of times.

I see a lot of TRP discussions approaching AWALT topics with binary view, wanting to get an answer in one sentence. If you ever want to understand hypergamy and AWALT in proper terms, you have to gain better understanding of contributing factors which lead to different outcomes in situations which look exactly the same at first glance.

TL;DR AWALT doesn't mean the same outcome in all situations. There a biological, environmental and ideological factors at play which can influence a woman's decision to stay or leave a man. Stop that binary thinking BS!

[–]1Original_Dankster -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I think you're on to something here. Post menopausal women have estrogen deficits. Estrogen makes you feminine.

Older, senior citizen women literally become more male in their later years.

[–]muggedbyidealism 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My mother took amazing care of my father during the last five years of his life, during which dementia took his ability to do much for himself. They could still talk and he recognized everyone, and they could even go to movies and stuff, but he was utterly dependent on her. She was wonderful to him. They were married for 55 years.

[–]RedPillHanSolo 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I guess we have to do this every time? There have been numerous discussions and several posts regarding AWALT on this sub.

Basically it does not mean "all women all sluts and will eventually cheat on you". It means "all women are very much capable of doing so, because they are hardwired in such way". Good on your grandmother, but next time please hit sidebar and think before you want to "refute" something.

[–]TRP_mask 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I more or less wanted an answer that would explain it and prove me wrong. I read the sidebar

[–]MRPFuckMe1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Agreed. Both my grandmothers stuck with both my grandfathers until the bitter end--dementia, immobility, you name it. They are wonderful women. Did it strain them greatly? Of course. Were they relieved when it finally ended? One of them sure was. But it's understandable I think.

[–]TRP_mask 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Mine was relieved too, but that's no surprise. Especially with dementia, it takes so much energy to watch and help them all day long. They have the right to be relieved after staying with him till the bitter end.

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you think of NO reason for her stay with a senile person that is reconcilable with AWALT?

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (1 child)

First of all, clumping Post-menopause chemistry with young fertile chemistry is a bad thing in this entire thread.

Also, the way your brain works now, the person you believe you are now, will not exist when you are 40. It will change multiple times depending on how long you live.

Guys here comparing a zero sex drive 70yr old female to young woman is fucking ignorant.

[–]TRP_mask 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's what the whole post is about lol

[–]TheEndlessRoadAhead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cultural norms.

Both my grandmothers stayed with their husbands for all of their life, 40+ years. They didn't remarry when they died.

My aunts are married for 20+ years.

AWALT is true, it's only a question of whether or not society allows women to act on their impulses, and to what extent.

On one end of the spectrum you got the west, on the other Islam. Compare.

[–]vitringur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It just doesn't fit the pseudo scientific narrative.

Sadly, most of TRP is just confirmation bias and anecdotes.

[–]wayneinthegame 1 points1 points [recovered]

My father was weak most of his life. In the 90's, his shop went out of business and he has been retired since then. My mom had to get jobs, even at Walmart which was quite demeaning for her and has taking care of the house ever since.

He now has dementia and can't even take care of himself. My mother still cares for him and shows love to him.

Sorry if you've lost your faith in all women. Biological drives of hypergamy don't determine every women's decisions, she still has the free will that is the birthright of every human. I'm not saying my mom is the only way virtuous woman left or anything like that, but we still have the ability to make hard choices even if they aren't what our instincts drive us to.

[–]Psychocist 58 points59 points  (34 children)

It's good to see stories like this amid these depressing stories of abandonment. I've seen many other cases of women who stuck by their men through difficult times.. but I have zero faith in the next generation of women. And yet, unless we all want to die out within a generation, somebody is going to have to raise healthy, strong children, which means somebody is going to have to commit to this next generation of women. Scary. Can't imagine the amount of broken families that will be left behind over the next 50 years.

[–]jumpinglane 41 points42 points  (11 children)

Can't imagine the amount of broken families that will be left behind over the next 50 years.

family as a default concept won't even exist in 50 years.

[–]Shaman6624 4 points5 points  (10 children)

Has that happened before in history?

[–]searcher612 8 points9 points  (9 children)

Not sure about society wide, but there have been plenty of studies that show the impact on children living with their married, biological parents versus not being in that situation. Is that "family" (living in a house with your married, biological parents)? I suspect folks have varying definition of what family is.

[–]1Original_Dankster 15 points16 points  (6 children)

The African American family is the beta test / trial version for where the rest of America is heading. In 50 years all ethnicities in the U.S. will see the same level of fatherless rates, juvenile crime, substance abuse and state dependence.

Whether this is by accident or design depends on how paranoid / woke you are.

[–]Shaman6624 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I think It's by accident. Nations have always shown the same cyclus. We're now in the decadence. Same thing happened to Rome.

I recall hearing some theory about the soviets implanting modern day feminism in american society, is that what you are referring to when you say it's by design?

[–]1Original_Dankster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Soviets are one possibility. Globalists are another. Or as you say it could by just a cycle. I don't have the answer myself...

[–]hawkeaglejesus 2 points3 points  (2 children)

is that what you are referring to when you say it's by design

This dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

Everything he talks about has more or less come true. Soviets targeting liberal institutions like media, movies, and education. Subversion taking 25-35 years to begin to take effect since the first generation of "useful idiots" that were indoctrinated in the 60s and 70s are now taking on positions of power.

[–]Shaman6624 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've watched it in it's entirety. What I missed from his explanation was how exactly it is done.. So they bribe some 20 year old to be a pro abortionist or something and let him shout that abortion is bad?

Everything he talks about also takes place when a society is in the cycle of decadence, it's not nessecarily soviet propaganda that did it. That doesn't mean that subversion is not real, just take a look at what America did in the middle east. They fucked their entire shit up when they didn't want to play their petrodollar game.

If the decadence of Western civilization is really because of Soviet propaganda, how exactly did they do it? Who are these cultural infiltrators and how does it work. The most famous counterculture ofcourse is the one of the Hippies.

However if you check wikipedia the hippie movement started way before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hippie_movement in Germany and even in ancient Greece and Persia. Do you really think that some russian actors had enough influence on a counterculture whose chain of events started thousands of years ago to let it explode? No it was time for such movements to take the spotlight anyway. And tbh I just want to be able to wank without going to hell so I'm glad we had something like a counterculture that promotes freedom of crazy religions. But I do agree that morals are nessecary and good for a productive and strong society. So hopefully in the ashes that the decadence will leave behind we will find a new way of looking at the world without fairy tales and people walking on water that will also give us a strong moral framework.

[–]searcher612 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yup, certainly not a bright future based on that as a trial run. However, not sure the "system" can sustain that kind of result. It works because state dependence can function due to the fact that others are paying into said state. If that becomes more widespread, will it collapse?

If that begins to happen, things will begin to correct (call me optimistic).

[–]Shaman6624 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I might have misunderstood your answer but meant to ask: when has the defaultconcept of family not existed in history and why?

[–]searcher612 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Original_Dankster provides a possible example. Although perhaps urban / impoverished is a better description.

I am unaware of where this has happened throughout a nation / society in general; other than in "pockets" as Original_Dankster indicates.

[–]Leviticus59 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I didn't see the story you commented to (it's been deleted), but my mother-in-law is as loyal as they come. Stayed with and supported her husband through thick and thin, and there was some pretty thin thin at various times. He died about 10 years ago, and she still misses him something terrible. She herself is in a nursing home, starting to slide off the edge into dementia, and says every day when my wife visits her, "Where's Fred? Take me home to Fred."

Intact families were a foundational rock on which successful societies were built. It's been thrown away, and I think it's all over for the West except for the shouting.

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points [recovered]

The comment you replied to was deleted by the mods, here it is for those wondering what it said.

I wanted to ask /u/wayneinthegame, what was your mother like? Can you tell us a little more about her since she's clearly not like other women.

[–]Morphs_ 1 points1 points [recovered]

The comment you replied to was deleted by the mods

This is quite concerning actually. The guy is posting a nuance to the AWALT principe and I've been searching for those on this reddit. I don't want mods removing those posts because it doesn't fit the AWALT principle.

[–]wayneinthegame 6 points7 points  (5 children)

I had the first comment and I deleted on accident because new phone/noob.

Basically I just said that mom my still takes care of my dad even though he was weak and now had dementia. It's been a struggle for her for many years but she still shows love to him.

Biological drives of hypergamy don't determine a woman's actions, she still has free will.

And like others said here, social institutions of religion and marriage has enabled my mom to stay in the marriage for many years and still have a positive attitude. The collapse of these is really gonna hurt the next generations.

[–]Morphs_ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Perhaps meditation will take over the role of religion. I am in no way religious, and the premise behind buddhism is nonreligious and universally applicable. The insights are obtained through meditation, including the ability to be non-judgmental and to deal with desire.

[–]wayneinthegame 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Buddhism is still a religion. They explain death a different way and emphasize the collective rather than the individual, which is the way of the East.

Mediation is used in many disciplines, spiritual, religious or otherwise. It's benefits are undeniable to anyone who has practiced it.

Religion provides a framework for 2 of life's biggest questions:

What happens when we die? How should I relate to my fellow man?

[–]Morphs_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Incorrect. Buddhism, or rather its meditation technique (called "Vipassana") is merely a tool for learning about the truths in life. A person is expected to find his/her own version of the truth by meditating. This makes it completely different from religions, which try to force their truth upon others. People are actually encouraged to believe whatever they want to believe, it's just about the meditation technique.

[–]Indubitably_Confused 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Consider that an exception, which confirms the rule. My mother has remained with my dad as well, but whenever they fight she brings up only the negative shit from the past and completely "forgets" the contribution from my dad. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]wayneinthegame 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The rule is that women feel attraction for men of high status, even if they are in love or in a relationship with another man. It's a biological drive urging them to mate with the best possible mate.

Does a woman branch swing every time she feels attraction? Of course not. There are many reasons why she might not act on that attraction.

It hurts seeing your women get all excited and flirty with another man. Swallowing the red pill just means that you realize and accept that that is a part of nature. How you deal with it is up to you.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Stop playing video games all day, start posting content.

Your opinion can matter afterwards

[–]gear54 2 points3 points  (7 children)

And I wanted to ask why in the hell was that removed?

[–]RPStone 1 point2 points  (5 children)

It was [deleted] by the OP, not [removed] by mods.

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points [recovered]

No, it was removed by the moderators. You can tell because the comment is still on /u/wayneinthegame's page.

[–]RPStone 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Not showing up for me. You're probably seeing a cached version.

The only way for a comment/thread on reddit to say [deleted] is if the OP deleted it or a reddit admin edited the comment. Mods cannot edit comments only remove.

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points [recovered]

Now it's gone. It wasn't gone for about 10 minutes after that comment was removed though, that's how I was able to get this screenshot from his page. Who knows.

[–]RPStone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea you saw a cached version via reddit app, browser, or your ISP. Mods here wouldn't remove this.

[–]choomguy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the next generation has lived their entire life with social media, where there are plenty of beta guys constantly orbiting in their friends list. There is not a woman out there who doesnt have prospects she maintains, however innocently appearing, on social media. I know exactly what i would find if i ever looked at my wifes accounts, nothing overt, and it would be work contacts, or husbands of kids friends or teamates, but if your so is a 3 or better, someone is casting bait her way. Ive made it abundantly clear where the door is.

[–]DatingCoach111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only reason women in older generations stuck by their men is because men were more Red Pill back then. Traditional gender roles. Now all we have is masculine women and feminine men. Sad.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Your grandfather had a massive failure in leadership and he pedestalized your grandmother. There's more at play than AWALT here. I suspect his alpha wasn't as great as you believe.

[–][deleted] 86 points87 points  (4 children)

Time and time again posts like this show us what women will do if you show any ounce of “weakness”. It’s harsh. It’s reality. It’s the hardest part of the redpill to swallow. It’s eye opening seeing this time and time again yet being programmed from adolescence to find a “soulmate” and treat her like a “princess” when the truth is AWALT and we need to act accordingly.

[–]dontgiveupcarib 64 points65 points  (25 children)

Dated a girl who came to comfort me when my grandmother (who raised me for many years) passed away. She always knew me as strong and tough, but I was a total mess for many days. A few months after she broke up with me citing things I didn't even know bothered her. She was 'in love' with me before that.

Currently dating a girl who has stood by me through a lot of shit after her. I'm still amazed at her commitment.

So yes most are bitches, but not all are cunts.

[–]h4nkz 42 points43 points  (3 children)

but not all are cunts.

Maybe, but they all can be cunts

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

All men can be assholes too. It is well within our capability. I don't understand the reasoning here.

[–]Creakic 9 points10 points  (11 children)

They all the same , many guys dont understand this , yes some women may stand by you and comfort you thats true , but i am 100% positive that your attractiveness took a dive .

[–]choomguy 10 points11 points  (6 children)

I gave my fathers eulogy, out of resect for him, i did not cry. I cried alot writing it, in private mind you, never in public.

I watched one of my siblings husband, old school, but a very alpha, top tier earner, break down delivering his fathers eulogy. You know the rest. Stoic is always your best frame.

[–]dzkkne -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

Wtf is all this alpha talk.

I am a man who cries. And I don't care. I am also a man who will rip someone's head off if they challenge me when I cry or tell me I am weak, because I won't tolerate that bs from anyone.

If your emotion is genuine and you don't do it just to look around for people to support you - this is no weakness. You have to own it.

When I'm in grief and I fill like I need to cry, I will. But whoever doubts my strength can go their own way, I wouldn't care. If your self-worth is completely dependant on how other people treat you then may be you shouldn't cry - you are not strong enough for that.

[–]hot_rats_ 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Can't you see the irony in that this post is dripping with emotional instability? You'll rip someone's head off? It's one thing to stoically offer a counter-opinion, which I half agree with, but when you get so defensive that you're making imaginary threats of violence you're basically proving their point.

[–]dzkkne -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Lol the violence is not aimed at the guy above, we are talking about a situation when one experiences strong emotion in vacuum. You can't deny that humans are able to feel emotions so strong that it would be unhealthy to try and suppress/control it to certain extent i.e. when significant other or close relative passes away.

I have experienced it, and at that moment someone telling be to be more stoic about it wouldn't go down well. Probably the last thing you care about in these moments are about what people think of you etc.

[–]hot_rats_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First off, that scenario would never happen anyway so you're getting yourself all worked up over nothing. Second, if you truly didn't care what people think then you wouldn't lash out. The very act of lashing out would be letting someone get to you, which is weakness.

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How's the chick sitchyashun?

[–]choomguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We all have our own experiences. I could get emotional about lots of things. That doesnt mean im going to.

[–]dontgiveupcarib 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a gamble, if you can come out on top the attractiveness increases more than before. If you don't, it dives.

[–]Shaman6624 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah but that is often temporary. Even if you keep working on your smv you're gonna fail but even in a relationship that isn't the end of all attractiveness. It's actually a pretty good dynamic actually because you get a lot of motivation to not just act tough and not show your weakness but to actually BECOME tough.

I don't even have to try to hide my weaknesses because the mindset and believes with which I approach difficulties is strong. She feels that and won't see it as weakness. Only inmy absolute worst moments did I notice an immediate dip in attraction and after a few days the dip was gone because I picked myself up immediatly.

[–]Creakic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sure if you recover quickly your attractiveness index will revert to the mean but it will not make a new all time high , it will not revert to the highs .

Ofcourse it depends on the weakness , emotional weakness is much much worse , but if you just bumped your knees into the desk and you said its killing me for a couple of days i guess thats fine infact it may be sweet .

[–]Shaman6624 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To add to the theory that emotional weakness is the worst:

The women judge the men based on what THEY PERCEIVE to be high value paradigms. Aside from physical things as height the bulk of male attractiveness is decided by his frame and his paradigms. The thing is it's very subjective what paradigms are attractive to women and what are not. That's why the age old wisdom off " There's someone out there for everyone" Comes from, there isn't really someone out there for everyone but there are girls who will perceive you as really high value while others will not. That's why even the best PUA's can't pick up everyone. Now there can be two things that happen:
- She can change her paradigm and start seeing you differently through change in herself.
- She can start seeing you differently because you changed and became more/too beta.

What follows from this is that emotional weakness is very subjective and as long as you handle situations in a way that she will PERCEIVE as strong then it will be fine even though others might think you emotionally weak for doing that.

but I think you CAN make an all time high again. I've noticed that since I've been working on myself for the past 5 years I've only reached new highs in how attracted my gf is to me.

[–]Heyokalol 1 points1 points [recovered]

Conservative girls with christian-like values are the most commited of all, in my experience.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They will see you to your death bed, tuck you in, and turn off the light. Can't ask for more than that...

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Youre a programmer in his 20s, what experience do you have, exactly?

[–]bitchpotatobunny 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well shit. Now I'm curious as to what the hell was written to warrant this response and then the subsequent the deletion.

[–]Heyokalol 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I'm in my 30s buddy. I've had enough experience to make up my mind. But I don't think you care about my answer since you make a lot of assumptions and seem to be looking for a fight anyway.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I've fucked enough conservative Christians in my day to be skeptical of your claims.

[–]Heyokalol 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I've never said they were perfect. I would never consider any other demographic for a ltr.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 0 points1 point  (1 child)

funny thing about hard and fast rules

  1. people never change

  2. rules are worse than guidelines. Know how many hoes found jesus for redemption?

[–]Heyokalol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's right. Just so you know, the whole "I fucked a hundred guys and then found God" thing is not as prevalent here in western Europe as it is in LA, for exemple. Especially in the more rural areas, which I'm from. I'm not arguing about AWALT or not. Yes, sure, they still all have the potential to behave like that, but I know a few exceptions, and those exceptions are the only ones I would ever consider dating.

If you had to take a chance on dating a conservative, well behaved, christian girl and a blue armpit haired feminist type, wouldn't you bet on the former? Personally I would.

[–]victor_knight 27 points28 points  (6 children)

Part of me doesn't feel sorry for men like this because they never tell the truth about women (to even their sons) and will continue white knighting and defending women regardless of how they have been treated. This makes them enablers of AWALTs.

[–]systemshock869 1 points1 points [recovered]

They cling to the belief in not using judgement on anyone, even when the women in their life are perfect red pill basket cases. Leftist propaganda has neutered critical thinking with it's pseudo intellectual moralism.

"Just because my mom is insane, my SO is on crazy pills, my co-workers are next to worthless sluts and most of history and culture backs up all of your points doesn't mean you have the right to make generalizations about them!"

[–]wanderer779 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm not religious but according to some religious TRPers the church has been infiltrated. So a lot of lecturing men about their obligations to women and silence or maybe even some 'you go girl ' for the women.

They are getting this message from everywhere. In some circles there's still a little shaming for leaving your husband but they'll usually do a character assassination and maybe even some false accusations to combat it with fairly good results in my experience.

[–]boredgod 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The churches aren’t infiltrated. They’ve been gone for decades. You’d have to find a tiny cult to find something different, but who wants to get pussy from there?

[–]TheMarvelousMarvel 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I recently saw a documentary about women in prison. Apparently on visiting day, its pretty empty, but the mens prison has an over abundance of wives, and mothers care-taking their in prisoned men.

Maybe it's a little more about the economic class that you're looking at? Obviously the higher you climb, the less marriage for love and the more marriage for money you see..

[–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Could be about the support that the stay at home parent receives. Most men will not have the support that women have. Hot women have alpha men in prison, alpha dick hanging around at home, welfare, orbiters contributing. What does noncriminal Dad have?

Further, the prison experience is for Alpha males. What kind of women?

[–]TheMarvelousMarvel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean 'the prison experience is for Alpha males'?

[–]assured_destruction 10 points11 points  (0 children)

My mom, now 89, so old school, took care of my dad through ten years of cancer. Multiple surgeries and held him during his last breath after telling him it is ok to go.

She took care of him at home. Went to every Dr visit, every chemo session. She had and has no desire to replace him. He still is her one and only.

She did try dating a few years after she was in her 60s then and just couldn't do it.

It happens bitches. But if you date a party girl you're screwed

[–]Jake420Blaze 1 points1 points [recovered]

I have a friend whose dad is literally in a wheelchair, and was crippled since before meeting his mom. Don't know how you can show much more weakness that but his parents are still going strong even after the kids moved out.

I think AWALT is more specific to our generation, as todays women have given up on traditional values. Older generations seem to actually have a lot of women that don't fit the AWALT that we know, perhaps because they actually honored tradition and weren't surrounded by betas.

[–]quansau1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I tend to agree, it seems that there is a supportive cultural infastructure that is telling women it's totally cool to fuck over your man and steal half the shit. This wasn't the case just a few decades ago. The institution of marriage has taken a dive as more money can be made by heartlessly destroying a man then by incentivising women to give a shit. The thing is we all live out a social narrative we are taught from a young age. The main difference is that we currently get two narratives, the one they say out loud, then the actual reality. It's just here that people's eyes are opening, and actions are reformed to coincide with reality.

[–]RedPilledRoaster 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Fucked up but AWALT never ceases to be true.

[–]Indubitably_Confused 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Jesus. I know she's your grandma, but that bitch is cold stone as fuck.

[–]MaltillinenNatSos 11 points12 points  (2 children)

My grandfather had a stroke over ten years ago that left him paralyzed on the other side of his body and unable to speak. Since then he's been stuck in a wheelchair, spending his time either sleeping or watching TV. He's a shell of a man. Constantly crying, physically weak and fragile. Any sane society would have put a pillow on his face years ago.

My grandmother took care of him ever since the accident. She lifted him up from the bed into his wheel chair every morning and then the reverse every evening. She changed his diapers and showered him. She cooked his food, fed him and wiped his face after. She took care of his medication. All this while being senior-aged herself and also frequently taking care of her last batch of grand kids. Only last year my grandfather was finally taken to a nursing home full-time because me and all other close relatives basically forced my grandmother to pull the trigger because she was getting tired and we didn't want to lose her, too. She didn't want to do it at first and it took her almost two years to finally agree, albeit reluctantly. And since then she's been feeling guilty and trying to alleviate that guilt by saying things like "well, I guess he gets better care now". She still goes to visit him every week and especially on birthdays, Fathers Day and so on.

At one point she confessed to me that she was going to leave my grandfather a few years before the accident but decided to stick around and now she keeps wondering "what if".


[–]general_landur 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sounds like your grandma managed to conquer her AWALT nature, out of fear or love I can't tell.

It doesn't matter what she feels now. By the RP yardstick, her actions have spoken for her, isn't it?

[–]rigbed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“What if” is what guides most women’s actions.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She probably felt justified to feel that way because of all his little human imperfections and mistakes he had inevitably made in life, including that big fuckup in the late eighties when he lost his job and he SHE HAD TO LIVE IN A HOTEL (!!!)

And then, on top of that, he has the audacity to get sick and require care?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So gramps didn't sign papers. Why? That's really dumb.

[–]RatioRegnum 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can relate. My great-uncle was a bona-fide war hero and tremendously successful businessman. When he finally slid into dementia my great-aunt called him "old hole-in-the-head" and could hardly wait for him to die.

A decade later she was starting to decline, living in an assisted living facility all by herself in a distant city. My mom, who was always close to her, asked me to go collect her so she could look after her. I drove twelve hours to do so, and was deeply saddened to see that she was also succumbing to dementia. For the whole drive home we had the same conversation over and over, starting with her assertion that Christmas was coming (it was March).

I dropped her at my moms. A week later my mom called to say my great aunt was too far gone for her to look after, and she was sending her back to the residence. I said "No issue, I'll drive her." and my mom said "I don't want to bother you again, I'll just send her on the bus."

It didn't occur to me she'd go through with it. I figured she'd try a little more, and either make it work or call me again. But that very day she took a woman in her eighties, with not enough mind left to know what year it was, down to the station, bought her a ticket, and sent her on her way. It was beyond selfish, beyond negligent, it was outright cruel. I can't imagine how strange and frightening that trip was for my great aunt. She died not long after.

To this I have to add though - when another uncle got dementia, my aunt very lovingly took care of him to the end. He died at home, in bed, with my aunt and cousin looking after him. They live in a small, tight-knit community where people look after each other.

[–]cashmoney_x 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do you know how he acted during that time though?

[–]shadowq8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Looks like your gramps chose wrong.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is why I wanna die at 60. Live fast

[–]TheseNthose 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is really unfair to your grandmother.

You don't know 98% of watch their relationship was like. You just see her do something and force the connection to AWALT Red Pill, yo.

Fact is it's just confirmation bias. You don't really know if there's a connection because you don't know anything else going on. People also feel angry when they grieve like they're being left alone. And that's not hypergamy AWALT, it exists with anybody.

[–]amalopectin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women are not an archetype. My grandparents were together till my grandmother passed and no such thing happened. They had their own issues which included infidelity on his part and yet they still stayed together and loved each-other.

People have issues as individuals, your grandmother has a name and a personality and should own her own actions as a human being not as part of 'women' as some entity. I've also known other older women who never did something like that. The example I can think of which matches this is when the partner gets dementia and their spouse no longer wants to deal with it. This isn't to do with alpha or beta it's just distressing to see someone degrade. Maybe selfish to do such a thing, but an individual choice.

[–]ScribbleTwitch 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There’s “alpha” then there’s “arrogant prick who thinks he’s alpha”. There’s a big difference between a true strong man who is at peace and stoic in every situation, and a fraud. I don’t know your grandfather, and can’t really make an assessment based on a tiny bit of info. But I see in TRP movement a lot of confusion between actual alphas, and insecure bullies who puff out their chest thinking it will hide their insecurities. You’ll see in the comments a lot of people saying they have observed the exact opposite in some older people. But I would hesitate to put forward that a wise woman would know that remaining faithful to her husband would be in her progeny’s best interest.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

women aren't programmed to give a fuck about anything except themselves and their children. Stop lamenting about it and accept reality.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I don't think his purpose is to lament. I think he's reminding us to stay vigilant.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This, like every story, is anecdotal. Completely different experience with my parents. My dad was sick for over a decade, and my mom loyally and dutifully took care of him. My wife's dad also got sick with cancer and passed away after about a year. Her mom would not leave his side and is still deeply grieving.

You guys tend to paint with too broad of a brush. Some of the principles here are very sound, but are generally taken too far and they lose their context and applicability. This is a perfect example.

Some women are just bitches. SWALT.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Really the only woman you can rely on in that situation is a truly religious one. My grandfather was alpha as well and highly sociable, loud voice and unique personality, served in the military, etc. Near his 70s he started getting diagnosed with all sorts of problems, became obese, and finally died of a liver rupture. Grandma was by his side every step of the way though and was devastated when he was gone.

[–]waldo888 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My step grandmother, was hated by my family. Despite this she took excellent care of my grandfather till his sad end. Some women who still can be said to have a feminine character see marriage as a duty. Like men take their jobs and role as patriarch as a duty...do you think most people go their entire lives loving the other person, being attracted to the other person, giving a real shit about their children, all the time? Marriage is a duty that some people take seriously.

[–]ryan924 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doesn’t this work against the idea of the red pill? The women attracted by this kind of thing are likely to leave as soon as some shit happens. I guess this stuff is fine when you’re in your 20s and trying to have fun, but when you start thinking about a life partner and someone to raise a family with....

[–]Hjalmbere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My aunt nursed her ailing husband for ten years. until he passed. They were married for more than fifty years. But women like her are becoming rare indeed.

[–]Caffeamaro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

family or not, when im 60 im going to buy euthanasia. ive had health problems before. never again will i go through that

[–]AllahHatesFags 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn, bro. If I were him I would have made sure that she got NOTHING after my death, assuming there was anything left.

[–]Shaman6624 4 points5 points  (2 children)

We can't conclude from this story that she left because he couldn't provide for her. It could also be that the circumstances changed his behaviour and although op says he didnt show any weakness I doubt OP is privy to the inner workings of their relationship. Maybe he turned into a total pessimist after this or maybe he couldn't get it up anymore and there was no sexual intimacy between them. Any number of circumstances could've driven her away.

To immediatly conclude that she must've gone because he couldn't provide for her is a shining example of confirmation bias. We shouldn't be so quick to draw conclusions.

[–]therhymerr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are we in the same family cause my grandma did the same shit

[–]Gawernator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is horrible. Glad I can say my grandparents didn't share the same fate

[–]1covfefe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

kids love toys, women love kids, men love women. nobody loves men. end of story.

[–]U-94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've heard from psychic mediums that retirement homes are full of the spirits of men watching over their wives meanwhile, very few female spirits to be found around elderly males.

[–]le_homme_qui_rit 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Wait, your grandparents had children living at home in the late 80's?

I mean, are you like 10?

[–]raphier 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Late 80's translates to 30 now.

[–]le_homme_qui_rit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Exactly. His pafents were children 30 years ago. He cant be very old.