Blue Pill Example6 blue pilled behaviors, disguised as red pilled, that trap men in blue pilled beta purgatory. (self.TheRedPill)

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As TRP continues to grow and expand and attract new men, so comes along blue pilled ideologies, principles and lifestyles that appear to be red pilled on the surface but upon deeper examination are actually blue pilled behaviors that keep men trapped in the pit of beta misery.

No Fap

I have no idea why so many claim No Fap is a red pilled lifestyle. It seems like I can't go an hour here at TRP without seeing someone post about the great virtues of NoFap and to be circle jerked and upvoted in mass by other NoFap drones. NoFap is simply bro science combined with male shaming to make incels seem like they are accomplishing something while gaining all of these mythical benefits. You know who doesn't need NoFap? Non incels. Men with options and abundance mentality. They have sex. Regularly. And if they need to rub one out, they do it, because they don't pedestalize the act of masturbation and make it taboo.

The issue with NoFap isn't masturbation. NoFap drones tell you that masturbation is bad, its evil and it should be avoided. No, the issue is porn addiction. Porn addiction and masturbation are two separate issues. Defeating your porn addiction and stop viewing porn is noble and should be a cornerstone of any red pilled man. Porn is for losers. But there is nothing wrong with the act of masturbation. If you are regularly having sex, you should have no need to masturbate, but if you feel the need to rub one out, go ahead and do it without the porn. There is nothing wrong with this. It's normal. NoFap simply pedestalizes the act of masturbation, and causes it to be on your mind all the time regardless of whether or not you are doing so. Sound familiar?


MGTOW is another lifestyle that wrongly gets lumped in with TRP. In my opinion there is nothing more beta than MGTOW. MGTOW men are simply men who celebrate the fact they are incel rather than be shamed about it.

If you lead a successful red pilled life, you should have no problem attracting women and having options, and in turn a good sex life. Sex is normal - we men are hardwired to want to spread our seed as much as possible. Having sex with women is what we are wired to do. Denying yourself of that is going against your nature. Sex is great - especially sex with women who are into you. Why would you voluntarily want to walk away from that?

I always hear a lot of MGTOW men claim that they were very successful with women and had sex with 15 different HB10 super models every day, yet just went MGTOW because they were tired of women. I call bullshit. That's about as believable as a man walking away from a billion dollars because he "doesn't care about money". If you are successful sexually you will not want to walk away from it all. It takes time and effort to build up a successful sex life, why would a man want to walk away from it?

MGTOW is male hamstering for quitters who need a way to justify themselves and feel good about themselves for giving up. It has a nice ring to it and on the surface sounds like great justification for exiting the sexual marketplace. "Yeah! Fuck Women! MGTOW! I don't need women!" Are you trying to convince others, or yourself?


For some reason so many ignorant types think PUA and TRP are the same thing. They aren't.

I understand the ignorance from betas outside the community who routinely put down TRP by intermingling it with PUA. But there is no excuse for those of you within the community to think PUA is a red pilled behavior/lifestyle. And yet, this sub is flooded with PUA garbage all the time as if the two ideologies are the same.

The problem with PUA is that the mission is not yourself, the mission is women. Self improvement, lifting, etc. has no place in PUA. PUA still puts the women on the pedestal. The difference between PUA and TRP? Try this analogy: PUA is about doing what it takes to climb up the pedestal to get to her. TRP is about walking away from the pedestal and getting her to come down from the pedestal and follow you.

PUA is toxic because it allows men to tell themselves "There is nothing wrong with me, I am fine as I am, I don't have to lift, I don't have to eat right, I just need to do some voodoo psychology and that will allow me to bed women". The problem is that it doesn't make you desirable to women. You become desirable to women by self improvement and making yourself a better, masculine, confident man. If your mission is simply women(and that is the ultimate end game of PUA) than your success or failure is defined by women. Ultimately that is putting pussy on the pedestal. Your success or failure should be defined by yourself, not a woman.

Returning to Exes

Not a day goes by on AskTRP, or even here on the main sub, where some poster, obviously fishing for confirmation bias, posts about how he ran into his ex, or his ex hit him up, and then asks what to do. And right on cue every time the OP gets replies saying shit like "Plate her" or "Go have sex with her". Anyone who is truly red pilled knows the answer is actually "Go no contact and avoid at all costs" but that's not why these OP's post such questions. They post the questions looking for responses telling them to go after her, that way they can do it and justify it to themselves "Well TRP said to go after her, so by golly I will take their advice and do just that!!!" They post the questions LOOKING for that response and will ignore any response telling them to avoid her, because they still have oneitis and want to hamster up a reason to contact her again, hoping to gain the full faith and support of TRP in doing so.

Returning to exes is never wise, even if its just plating or a one night stand. You are better off 100% of the time cultivating new relationships and meeting new women. In a planet of 3.5 billion women, it is not red pilled to root through the garbage. It's oneitis.

Social Media

I always hear guys on here tell others that they need to be on social media for "social proof". And that there is nothing wrong with hitting girls up on social media.

Social media takes the 80/20 rule and turns it into the 99/1 rule. Almost every guy on social media will be AMOGed. In order to have a social media profile work in your favor, you basically have to be in the Top 1% of Top 1% of men. Otherwise you are just another fish in the vast blue sea that won't stand out to women. Social media accounts won't generate attraction. You are better off simply deleting your accounts and not playing the game. Be the mysterious guy without it. Not having social media drives women nuts(in a good way). Besides, the more a woman learns about you, the less attracted she will be. Remain mysterious.

I also laugh at all the guys here on TRP who claim they message random women they have never met on social media all the time and have a lot of sex with these randoms. In order for that to be believable, I am guessing these women they end up bagging are ugly or land whales. Because any woman on social media who is an HB6 or better will have 100+ messages per day from thirsty men flooding her inbox. What makes you possibly believe you will stand out by also doing the same thing a hundred other men are doing and messaging her? Not only does she have 100 thirsty men messaging her per day on social media, she probably also has dozens of thirsty male options in real life that are willing to meet up with her and bang her on a moment's notice. So you are telling me you message these women out of nowhere, and out of all the male options she has, she picks the random social media stranger she has never met to hang out with and fuck? Yeah, no. These are the types of lies propagated around here that cause men to make the wrong decisions.

You are better off meeting women in person.

Bodyweight Fitness

There is nothing wrong with bodyweight fitness, but it should only be a complete and total last resort for any man. I always see so many of you guys making hamstering excuses as to why you can't sack up and join a real gym and therefore have to do bodyweight fitness. 99% of the excuses are bullshit and are just hamstering excuses to not man up and lift heavy at a real gym. Yet, so many of you recommend it to people here. I always see AskTRP posts saying "Can I do calisthenics instead of weight lifting?" with a conga line of answers saying "Why of course you can!". My natural response to that is "Why calisthenics over weight lifting?" because most men have the option to do both.

Any man 16 years old or older has access to a gym. If you are in high school, play a sport at your school so you get access to it. If you are out of high school, get a job so you can pay a paltry gym membership. Seriously, I pay $20 a month for a damn good gym. Your bullshit excuses just don't hold water.

If you fall into that 1% of men who actually has a valid reason as to why you can't join a real gym with real weights, bodyweight fitness is fine for a temporary stop gap measure until you can join a real gym. Your #1 goal and priority then should be to put yourself in a situation to where you can join a real gym.


A lot of this will be controversial, but the 6 behaviors I listed are all pitfalls for men in their TRP journey and can send you down the wrong path.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 136 points137 points  (13 children)

For some reason so many ignorant types think PUA and TRP are the same thing. They aren't.

This is true. I found TRP after multiple PUA years. TRP is "better" in the sense that it actually cures not the symptom "lack of women" but the cause "beta/BP", it has also an added benefit that it cures A LOT of other "symptoms"

The problem with PUA is that the mission is not yourself, the mission is women.

Also true.


Regardless of that, it would be unfair to PUAs not to mention 2 things: TRP has it's origins in PUA community and it does work IF you commit to it.

[–]chauncy_popperstein 58 points59 points  (5 children)

Agreed. The PUA's do get one thing right. They get men off their ass and out approaching women. That alone is 99% of most guy's problems. It is lacking in that is doesn't to anything to teach men about how to handle a woman once you have attracted her. Ever hear a PUA mention hypergamy?

[–]leaveitaloneitsfine 1 points1 points [recovered]

It is lacking in that is doesn't to anything to teach men about how to handle a woman once you have attracted her.

pickup implicitly teaches men how to keep women around because always running game means you're always pre-selected, always running dread, and always replacing "plates". trp has to spell this stuff out because 90% of the posters here are 2-3 girls from being virgins and have no idea how to behave even if they have the balls to approach. you don't need to keep your onitis around if you know pickup.

[–]enjoy_life88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ever hear a PUA mention hypergamy?

If they've ever heard about it at all.

When you read about the "legends" getting fucking married, and their hilarious justification for it, it makes you wonder if they actually understood anything of intergender dynamics, or have been simply become good actors over the years.

[–]the_real_lunch_box 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree approaching is most guys problems certainly is my biggest. But the other improvements TRP will bring will keep the good woman around and next the bad ones.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 13 points14 points  (2 children)

By definition I am PUA. But I don't follow any PUA forums, just RSDTyler and Julien's videos. The only sexual strategy forum I use is TRP. I work on bettering myself all fucking day, then go out at night. It may not be ideal for reasons stated by OP, but the social exposure helps me and keeps my brain really sharp.

[–]AshyLarry27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

RSD is an interesting outlier, because at least Tyler/Owen goes out of his way to address self improvement/inner game, at least from a mental stance. That aside, not as much on physical appearance and of course he flaunts this with his jokes of being a short ginger.

[–]white_girl_lover 24 points25 points  (0 children)

All of these things could be places in red pill except for exes and sm. This post takes the extremes of these categories talking about the bad part of them.

[–]dzkkne 523 points524 points  (44 children)

who fucking cares, do whatever you want...

I fap when I want, and don't when I know I am meeting a girl so need to be on top of my game.

PUA's have some good stuff to learn from to apply in clubs etc, it's pure tactics as opposed TRP being a strategy.

Social Media is fine if you use it for your own purposes - engage with long distance friends to arrange that trip to US or Europe next summer. Or warm up a pussy for the next weekend so you are on her mind. If you not good at using Social Media, then learn. Stop acting but-hurt about seeing boobies on your instafeed.

You clearly don't know much about gym and body-weight exercises. Don't be a gym rat, be an athlete. As an athlete you learn to use whatever works to make you better. Body-weight stuff works just as well as weights. Have slightly different applications and purposes though.

MGTOW, yea agree. Whatever that is... men should be going their own way anyway. Not sure how they managed to turn it in to MGAFW - Men Going Away From Women lol.

Please stop these binary thinking posts on TRP, doesn't really help. No enlightenment detected here... Probably the next post I will see on TRP will be along the lines of "all women are sluts...FR", tired of this.. black and white shit

[–]ryantheman2 154 points155 points  (8 children)

Totally agree binary thinking is toxic.

[–]fart2swim124 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I'm surprised and disappointed this wasn't part of his list

[–]Forgot_Pword 7 points8 points  (3 children)

"Binary thinking is always toxic" lol.

Thought it was a great post. Would read again.

[–]1WeedDaddy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"Binary thinking is always toxic"

That's what gender activists too say... lol

[–]Shaman6624 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is not a correct argument it's an ad hominem respons. Just because gender activists might say it doesn't mean it's not true.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it can serve as a necessary stepping stone as long as you know that's what it is (and I admit I think most newcomers don't).

[–][deleted] 81 points82 points  (15 children)

MGTOW is one of the best ways to learn how to stop pedestalizing pussy and stop being a slave to it.

There's nothing to say you have to remove women entirely from your life, that is only one part of the overall spectrum of the community/movement.

An Alpha MGTOW is a guy that resembles a lone wolf. He isn't married or hitched up so he can travel the world, has more money, can go out and party, has nice things - if he wants to breed he can get a surrogacy arrangement.

He focuses on freedom first, women 6th or 7th.

I think the distinction here between TRP is that he is less invested in actual game or pussy as the outcome. He is more focused on being himself and finding what he wants in life, with pussy on the side.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 45 points46 points  (3 children)

An Alpha MGTOW is a guy that resembles a lone wolf. He isn't married or hitched up so he can travel the world, has more money, can go out and party, has nice things - if he wants to breed he can get a surrogacy arrangement.

He focuses on freedom first, women 6th or 7th.

By that definition, I'm a MGTOW, but I've never self-identified as one.

Some niggas in here spend too much time arguing about semantics, and not enough time out there actually living.

[–]we_are_compromised 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Exactly. This sub used to be about sharing your own values and lifestyles choices and explaining them to others so that less experienced men do not have to make the same mistakes in their life as you did. Now it has become extremely dogmatic and is filled with spergs like OP trying to tell everyone else how to define terms and gatekeep. It's pathetic.

[–]1AlfredKinsey 1 point2 points  (1 child)

haha, is spergs short for, like, dudes with Aperger's?

[–]TheRedPillMonkey 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I think you are on point.

I'll add that I think fap, and NoFap are both tools, not ways of life. I fap when I'm horny but don't have time to slam and need to focus on work. I used NoFap to kick a porn addiction. If I NoFap for 30 days, I won't want to watch porn.

Guess what, eventually I fapped, but not due to porn, because of need. I didn't even need porn to fap that time.

Both are tools.. neither to be avoided or to made a rule of life.

[–]deadassfinna 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If you read a book called sperm wars you will find fapping or at least ejaculating is necessary to shed old sperm (3 to 6 days) and replace with new, fitter sperm

[–]sigma_fi 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Part of being Alpha is doing what you feel is appropriate for the situation. Can't believe of something less Alpha than undoubtedly following 6 behaviors from a post of reddit. Regardless of how much the behaviors make sense, things aren't black and white and you should be the judge of what should be most appropriate for you. That's the whole reasoning behind frame. Living YOUR reality, not what a subreddit tells you to do.

[–]we_are_compromised 2 points3 points  (0 children)

MGTOW men are not necessarily MGAFW. I know MGTOW men who date and have sex with women.
MGTOW men are not necessarily hermit/monk/herbivore men. You cannot take that label away from those who wish to live their lives that way just like you can't stop someone who identifies with your political party but has totally contradictory values from using that party label for themselves. MGTOW men are very diverse. The whole point is to take what you personally find useful in the lifestyle philosophy that is MGTOW and leave what you don't. Do whatever the fuck you want. Use the label if you want, or just stay stealth. Outcomes will vary.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some of the psychological effects of social media are out of our control.

[–]Ridicatlthrowaway 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Exactly, PUA by itself is cancer, no doubt, but it is no different than taking a public speaking course if you sucked at bar pick-up just as much as you suck at public speaking. There are hundreds of different ways to interact with the opposite sex, just like there are hundreds of different ways to speak publically.

But TRP for a lifestyle totally trumps PUA as a lifestyle.

[–]fromthecrypt8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with your points, but I also think that there is some validity in OPs post in that alot of posts on here seem to be confusing or mixing other ideas with trp. If anything, it’s important to remind the community of that once in a while so that trp doesnt get too diluted.

[–]awaken471 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I enjoyed your line of thought. what's your thought on posting up pictures and stuff on social media and the mystery thing that goes away?

[–]dzkkne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you have time for it and you like taking pictures of the stuff you enjoy doing - why not? Who am I to tell you not to?

I like certain sports and nature photography, when I travel I will take a lot of shots and then share the pictures on my insta - mostly pictures of me running in the mountains, picturesque views and other stuff I think was cool. I also follow people who inspire me and give me ideas for shots. Sometimes I get bored of it and stop and revisit it when I feel like I would enjoy it again. No obsession, amateur level.

What I get out of it? - quite a few times, friends/random people would hit me up asking about my last trip - we would talk and organise to meet up and they would ask me if they can join or if I want to go together.

I don't do selfies in a gym etc. May be will do once when I cut and get kick ass abs - good for tinder etc.

I don't know why everyone is whining about seeing girls on Insta, then realising they can't fuck them rightnow and go write a posts about "Social Media is for losers bla bla bla beta bucks, validation tool". Wtf did you expect? Do what you want, don't bs yourself. If you get so worked up about seeing naked chics on social media and it hurts your SMV, then obviously don't do it. You can't handle it. Doesn't mean I can't handle it.

If I feel it gets too much - delete Insta, tinder, snapchat for a few weeks and concentrate on what you have to do...

No BS approach - as usual.

[–]asapkokeman 88 points89 points  (6 children)

All i know is that I've hooked up with plenty of girls because of social media

[–]RemyBucksington 26 points27 points  (2 children)

This. I understand OP’s line of thinking, but the return on investment is too great to ignore a lot of the time if you put in minimal effort.

It shouldn’t be a primary venue for pussy, but a side-exercise? Sure. Keep your digital game sharp.

[–]massivewang 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I post cool pictures that I take of the things I am doing/have done to social media. I travel/have traveled quite a bit, guess what often happens to her interest level when a girl I meet asks me for my Instagram and takes a look? It increases.

Social media isn't black and white. It has a place, you can decide to be on it or not for whatever reasons.

[–]danO1O1O1 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's a tool, like the gym. Use it wrong, you can do more harm than good. I think OP is basically saying many men use SM wrong

[–]mrgrigsad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think there's little to no point in texting random women on social media, but you can perfectly use it to further your progress with a girl you already know personally. And still not by exessive texting but by passively showing off cool photos of your lifestyle

[–]bigboabydeuchars 30 points31 points  (2 children)

NOFAP isn't about masturbation though....regardless of how many neckbeards hijack it with posts about girls staring at them after 3 days nofap and doing it for the superpowers. It's actually a support group for people with a genuine serious addiction to online pornography. Many people still have sex and masturbate while "doing NOFAP".

That's like saying alcoholics who go to AA meetings are blue pill and are trying to feel superior by shaming people that drink.

[–]analtaccountforme 105 points106 points  (2 children)

This is the kind of shit that gets lauded on this sub for being "edgy" and "in your face" when in reality its just a guy with no research to back up anything just talking out of his ass.

What sucks is that the amount of insufferable "wow this is such a phenomenal post" and "Gosh this just spoke to me so much as a man" threads will flood the comment section, and more and more needy reddit whores will post garbage content because this is the kind of trash that gets to the top of this sub now

[–]mattbrah 21 points22 points  (0 children)

My thoughts exactly. A lot of these top posts seem like a rehashed parroting of the sidebar material. Another thing that I have noticed is that nearly all of these kinds of posts are written with some kind of "what I say is 100% factual and alpha" tone, as if anyone who would contest it is a fool. I definitely agree though, the content has gotten less unique or challenging over time.

[–]wander_company 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He's flip-floppy too. "Wrong thing number 6- bodyweight fitness".... "There is nothing wrong with bodyweight fitness" C'mon OP

[–]Niphilim83 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Bashing on mgtows is such an act of feminism. I dont think this sub is for you op.

[–]Xtermix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No it isnt, mgtow isnt protected from criticism, dont just dismiss what someone says as 'feminism', without any counter-argument.

[–]1Original_Dankster 23 points24 points  (4 children)

You make some pretty broad judgments about MGTOW (and body weight fitness).

"MGTOW men are simply men who celebrate the fact they are incel..."

Incel??? Lol no. Some are older men, over 40, who are dominating life in many regards. Myself included. Chasing tail distracts from making money and pursuing excellence in my hobbies. I have a FWB, get laid when I feel like it (maybe monthly) but don't need to prioritize approaching new women.

One day you'll learn that MGTOW is what older Red Pill Men eventually graduate to.

[–]tallwheel 10 points11 points  (1 child)

One day you'll learn that MGTOW is what older Red Pill Men eventually graduate to.

Yep. Exactly. Once you get older and your sex drive goes down, you only really feel like having sex like once a week or so. You find there are much better more fulfilling things to do with your time.

Pursuing women becomes too much effort to fulfill a small need, so you just keep around FWB's and plates who are low effort, and maybe approach women when you feel like it, especially the ones who make it obvious they are into you.

That's MGTOW, and it's also RP. You do what makes you happy, and a lot of the time that doesn't have anything to do with sex.

[–]Oscar_Cc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you only really feel like having sex like once a week

I'm 28 and already like that. Feel old now lol

[–]Equalitythis 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Exactly. Mgtow is the more mature version of TRP. And to be Frank in today's society the safer option

[–]september_cutter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As an old school pickup guy, MGTOW always confused me. I always think its "Men Go Fuck Ten Other Women" GFTOW was a common suggestion for getting over that "special girl" - the logic being by the time you tried or succeeded fucking 10 other women, the oneitis would be long gone. That seems to be the opposite of "going their own way."

[–]WISE_TURD 61 points62 points  (4 children)

Calisthenics are awesome if used in conjunction with weights. Not jumping jacks or some bullshit. Actual calisthenics.

If you can do the following things you're a beast (especially if you're 6 feet or over with leg mass):

  1. Full planche
  2. Front lever for minimum of 10 seconds
  3. Non-kipping muscle up or ring up
  4. Handstand pushup

I lift and incorporate calisthenics. Very happy with the results.

[–]ThatOneDrunkUncle 10 points11 points  (3 children)

He literally said "most men have the option to do both"

[–]WISE_TURD 41 points42 points  (2 children)

I wasn't talking shit about his post - just giving my opinion.

I'm sure he appreciates you having his back though

[–]ThatOneDrunkUncle 27 points28 points  (0 children)

You wouldn't believe how many internet points I have

[–]CSMastermind 19 points20 points  (2 children)

PUA = sales, TRP = marketing.

[–]HS-Thompson 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's more like PUA is marketing and sales, and TRP is product development. They are distinct concepts and both have their uses.

[–]1mental_models 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like the analogy. As with tactics/strategy.

PUA probably has some real value with the core concepts, and it's something that is on my long-term reading/learning list. What I've noticed from the PUA posts on this sub, are a lot of trivial details. I'm sure that If I look hard enough, there are some major pickup models that have value.

[–]Bside_785 66 points67 points  (11 children)

Being a teenager, not having social media makes you look like a social outcast and abit weird and creepy tbh.

[–]killermike-el-P 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Don't take everything you read here to be absolute. Take the advice that applies to you and keep the rest in the back of your mind.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I was a teenager like 4 years ago, and none of the ‘cool’ kids had social media. Aside from Instagrams they occasionally posted on of them at social events. Unless that has changed recently or maybe that was just something in my area I think it’s completely fine. I was on the football team at a very football centric school, and most of us didn’t have social media or at least rarely used it. No one really gave a fuck if you had social media or not, at worst someone might ask about something that happened. Then you would say ‘oh I don’t have X social media’ they would be like ‘what the fuuuuck??’ and then explain what happened and it wasn’t spoken of again.

[–]AkorTheKing[🍰] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Bro in the last 4 years things changed a lot. I was the only one without social media in my classroom.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Being a teenager, not having social media makes you look like a social outcast and abit weird and creepy tbh.

Yeah, to other loser teenagers.

Social media is just how people pretend to have the life they wish they did. You're better off spending that effort on actually making it a reality.

[–]Bside_785 1 points1 points [recovered]

I agree. My comment was because if you don't have social media you're either really high value that you don't need to or very low because you're scared of what people think about you. If you're average and dont have social media people are gonna assume your the latter.

Obviously don't revolve your life around it just make sure your not seen as creepy, weird or unpopular.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (2 children)

MGTOw is not all incels that can't get laid. It is full of many men that had plenty of success with women just to find that women were not worth their time (in their own opinion) because of all of the bullshit that comes with them. I think that incels infiltrate though because they make the same mistake in distinction as you made.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

And because the incel sub was banned recently. They all migrated to/brigaded MGTOW.

[–]we_are_compromised 10 points11 points  (0 children)

AVFM did a survey of MGTOW identified men and found that the average MGTOW was a white guy in his 40s who was divorced with kids. Don't believe bullshit like the OP's straw MGTOW man. He knows fuck all about MGTOW philosophy.

[–]whisky1111 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Why does everything have to be all or nothing?

And, I thought that taking the red pill meant making your own path instead of the path that others decide for you!

Why is there all the sudden a "right path" for a red pilled man. All the examples you mention seem legit to me AS LONG AS THE DUDE IS WOKE!

[–]middaylantern 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Ok hang on. Being a man does not equal spreading your seed. To define it as that is dangerous and negligent. It creates children born of wedlock and broken families and in no way does Red Pill man equal promiscuity. Unless I am misinterpreting your post it seems like that is what you are trying to say.

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (5 children)

I've never really seen MGTOW as no contact with women at all. I've always seen it as just doing whatever you want and not caring about what society says. It seems like a lot of them on the subreddit are still having sex.

[–]Datanami 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Shitty, narrow-minded post.

[–]Bigjohnthug 7 points8 points  (2 children)


Sums up my thoughts on it. I feel an inescapable urge to bust a nut every 24-48hrs, if I don't have a girl over then I jack it. When you're busy sometimes you masturbate, it's just easier. I'm doing 2-a-days at the gym, 6-10hr work days and have other commitments. Can't always fit a female into my day.

Porn is bad though. Too addictive, no benefits. Kind of like c


I think you're too binary with this one. If a man has a 100+ count but he's broke he should probably go his own way. Sex addiction is a real thing. Now I can moderate my sex habits but two years ago (give or take) I absolutely couldn't. I MGTOWed for a few months, focused on my finances and am better for it. Pussy isn't everything although it is a basic ""need"" albeit much less than good or water. A couple months jacking it to your memory won't do you any harm.


Mostly scam artists but there are some good ones out there. The problem comes not with the quality of content, but the quantity of filler. RSD for example has some great concepts, but they'll mix that in with a whole heap of meaningless jargon and BS just to increase the complexity and keep you buying more. I remember as a teen thinking "wow these guys are so good I'm never as congruent to my frame as they are." A year later there was a (since deleted) expose post where an ex-associate called them out on their laycounts. Jeffy's "my best year was 50, a hard grind of daily approaches" and I realised I was objectively better than them. At getting laid. Maybe their "game" is actually better because I'm better looking than all except Todd by a fair margin, although personally I think the approaching more than two times as many women and travel balance that out.

Basic premise, only a few PUA types are good. 60 years of challenge, Goodlooking Loser, Krauser and Jake Pulls.


You broke up for a reason, so I agree with you. I think sex with an ex is always disappointing as well, although I don't think it's inherently unhealthy. I used to date a girl who moved, we broke up because she moved, when she visits we hook up. She's a fun person and we like each other, plus the sex is good. Win-win-win.

Social media

100%. I've been one of those guys with a great account who pulled from it. 200-400 likes on all my DPs, up to the low thousands on statuses and photos. The fact is it took way more effort than it was worth. I fucked one girl who was average for me back then, but I wouldn't fuck her now and another girl who was super hot but absolutely nutty and massively insecure. A few other girls I hooked up with through Facebook, but already knew them IRL. Could have got them with texting though, at least most of them.

Took part time job hours each week to pull that off. So not worth. Quality IRL is better & it's more motivating to pull quantity because it's more fun than staring at a screen.

body weight fitness

I did it for 18 months. Not good for strength or gaining muscle, is good for staying lean and ripped. I agree it's a last resort alternative to lifting, but an amazing supplement. If you just plain don't want to lift it's better than just running or something too.

[–]tallwheel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ah, nuance. That sweet refreshing flavor that was so badly missing from OP.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to date a girl who moved, we broke up because she moved, when she visits we hook up. She's a fun person and we like each other, plus the sex is good. Win-win-win.


I wish there was a better word than "broken plate" but if you don't burn bridges, you can get get sex from girls you like when they're between boyfriends, in from out of town, etc.

"Ex" should be for the oneitis who tore you apart (or the ex wife whose lawyer bent you over the table), not just for girls you never really committed to.

[–]we_are_compromised 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The faggotry in this gatekeeping post are some of the worst I have ever read on TRP. Holy. Fucking. Shit.

[–]trexgomez 1 points1 points [recovered]

Your take about MGTOW is totally false. I'll take my own example. I'm nailing my college life. I've worked on classified tech projects with the army of my country. My grades are stellar. But heyyy I'm not your everyday nerd boy. I'm 6'0, 10% body fat and I have a considerably aesthetic body.

You can't control your lust for women. You can't stop yourself from going out and trying to secure some pussy. Well I can. I'm a virgin at 20 and I'm absolutely not keen at changing that. If a slaying chicks comes along who doesn't eat much of my time then sure. But even if that doesn't happen I'll be spending that time in better ways anyway. In the past I've pulled 8+ at every single party I've been to. But you're wrong at assuming that I'm dying to go to my next party.

OP you don't have to project your weaknesses on other men. MGTOW is the most red pilling experience, in the sense that it gives me the most power to control my future. And that's red pill for you, giving men the power to control their life and emotions.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 4 points5 points  (6 children)

You look good bro, but that's not 10%, more like 15%.

[–]360_no_scope_upvote 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Most people are complete idiots when it comes to true %. This guy is no exception. People have careers dedicated to finding out true body fat. He's in the 12-14% by my estimates.

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that's a good guess

[–]trexgomez 1 points1 points [recovered]

Thank you! Tbh the number really doesn't matter to me. As long as I'm getting compliments from people I consider myself on the better end

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, the number doesn't mean shit. You should put some mass though. Add at least 5 kg of lean muscles and your world will change.

[–]dzkkne -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Well, I am glad you are able to pull 8+ every time you go out. You must have gotten bored of it.

I can't pull 8+ every time, so I am working on it. The journey is fun, I like pussy. Seems like yo u don't like it as much. Well, more power to you. I guess we are all MGTOW, we all go our ways.

Since when the definition of MGTOW is "not being interested in fucking girls anymore". Basically guys with low sex drive...

[–]trexgomez 1 points1 points [recovered]

Cheers, brother. Female attention isn't something which I had naturally either, I worked towards it. And I hope you find good learnings ahead.

You're true when you say that I must have gotten bored of it, that's the rewarding confidence and freedom I have to not be thinking from my dick all the time.

One quick tip : busting a nut at night is a good way if you ever feel that your dick is taking control over your brain. On some days it's the reward and the quench of thirst I have for working all day.

[–]dzkkne 1 point2 points  (1 child)

you know, here on TRP people try to put their life in 3 lines which never makes sense. The other thing is people try to come up with a lifelong solutions saying - do this one thing all your life and you will be successful. Thats BS. (btw, not referring to you, just in general).

From what you describe MGTOW, I can attest I use the same principles. I go MGTOW when I need to achieve certain goals and go back to the game when I feel like I need more sex or I want to enjoy it to the full again and just to check my game is still up there.

There will be times in my life where I might decide to go MGTOW for a year or so when you realize that you have a window of time crucial to achieving something you want. Also, I easily see myself letting myself go for a year going on a full on pussy pursuit for the joy of it, just to see where I can go and what can be done - pure curiosity of enjoying your life.

PS> busting a nut when sex is not within reach is always a good option. Been doing it all along just like the next guy.

[–]AyoFoYayo 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Mtgow isn't about giving up on on "pussy", it's about abstaining from the game. TRP is just a handguide to playing the game.

I started TRP and I'll die mtgow.

And in time, anyone who believes TRP to be insightful, will go 2 ways. Beta Bux, or forever trying to be an alpha in a sea of competition.

Like why bother? Focus on yourself. Pussy comes naturally. Right?

[–]andy10001 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This post alone seems blue pill to me. Who are you to tell me what I should or shouldn't do with my life? OP, I don't give a fuck if you think my actions are blue pill or not. As long as I'm striving towards being the best version of myself, I couldn't care less.

Also go do some research on nofap and why it has improved the lives of many.

[–]SogeDynamo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Im surprised there weren't anything on MRAs lol

[–]Supreme__IceCream 43 points44 points  (4 children)

MGTOW is bluepill?? Fuck off.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"I'm going home, and I'm taking my ball with me."

[–]chauncy_popperstein 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Giving up on anything is pretty blue pilled.

Going online and bitching about women's natural behavior isn't exactly "going your own way" either. It is bitching (a womanly thing to do). For men that "don't need women" MGTOW's sure do talk about women a lot.

[–]BokehClasses 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Oh boy, another fake alpha. If you need to insult other behaviours and other groups of people, chances are you aren't an alpha. Sorry to break it to you bud.

Also, why are you hating MGTOW? They provide less competition to you, right? So why hate them?

That's about as believable as a man walking away from a billion dollars because he "doesn't care about money"

Well it's more like a 6 figure salary, not 1 billion dollars. Because you actually have to work for the reward. You've never heard of someone quitting their high paying job because it was too much effort and took a toll on their health?

Posts on this sub should be based in logic, they shouldn't sound like Buzzfeed opinion pieces. Disappointing post.

[–]1Original_Dankster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

6 figure salary

Exactly. Pussy isn't analogous to a billion dollars either. That's pedastalizing it.

[–]AlphaGrad 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Click-bait title, bullshit article. Aren't you deluded? You half-know things. Go read this first thoroughly.

[–]JohnnyCocktails93 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I️ agree with your overall message. But I️ will say PUA has its time and place.

I️ prefer to look at it like this.

TRP is about fundamentals, frame, and inner game. It allows you to recognize the game for what it is so you don’t get taken for a ride. The game is always being played whether you like it or not. Either you learn how to navigate the waters and succeed or you get tooled.

PUA arms you with the necessary tactics to succeed in environments where the SMP is inherently skewed e.g. clubs, bars, etc.

That said I️ think PUA is hollow without embracing TRP. It’s like being able to throw a football 70 yards but not having good footwork, not being able to read defenses, nor managing the clock during crunch time.

TRP is the foundation. PUA is just one of the tools at your disposal for certain situations.

[–]dons90 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And if they need to rub one out, they do it, because they don't pedestalize the act of masturbation and make it taboo.

So much this. NoFap is the weirdest cult I've seen online among 'sensible' folks. I guess it's useful for porn/masturbation addicts, but for the rest of us folks with actual stuff to do (like work, talking to ladies, etc), if you gotta drain the tank now n then, it's perfectly fine.

[–]redrummilf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Shaming the MGTOW like a woman would...interesting

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

DOnt forget the most BP behavior of them all - Reddit

[–]Lambdal7 28 points29 points  (4 children)

This post is a lot of black and white thinking with a lot offalse information.

  1. You don't need to take NoFap to the extreme. Trying it out for a month or two is really valuable.
  2. Agreed
  3. PUA is definitey not about "There is nothing wrong with me, I am fine as I am, I don't have to lift, I don't have to eat right, I just need to do some voodoo psychology and that will allow me to bed women". It's exactly the opposite. I don't know where you got that from. There is more focus on inner game than outer game in PUA or seduction.
  4. So, you should never return to exes, no matter what? Even if it was your own fault, or her fault or she apologizes? Keep in mind that many guys on this sub are 22y old or younger males, who still have to make experiences and are often immature.
  5. You don't get AMOGed on social media. Have a top 20% profile and it will work wonders. Social media is one funnel out of 4( cold approach, tinder, social circle, social media) and works really well in numbers --> Write 30 9s and sleep with 3 of them.
  6. I don't see a single argument why gym is so much better than Calisthenics. Doing Calisthenics, you will be able to do double the push up, pull ups etc. compared to any guy in the same weight class. Furthermore, you have much, much better mobility. Most gym bros don't even have the mobility to use their strength. Not saying that lifting heavy weights doesn't have some benefits, but saying that doing 15 sweet muscle is dumb compared to bench pressing 120kg is nonsense. Both is valuable, but the former provides much more benefits to your body (technique, athleticism, mindset, explosive strength).

[–]Glacierdust 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Re: calisthenics - I have a friend who studied Kinesiology and graduated in the top 5 of his program. He does bodyweight as well as weight lifting exercises. He says that based on his (fairly extensive) knowledge, body weight is superior. However, he admits that in order to get the desired results with body weight, you'd have to put in at least 3 hours per day. Obviously, that sort of investment is not worth it to most people and can in fact discourage the newbies on our sub. Weightlifting gives good results, it gives them fast, and it is still good for you.

I used to be a wimp for most of my life and I was weak and unathletic and got sick all the time. The only regular exercise I do know is weight lifting (I also paired it with eating healthy). Here is the difference: I no longer get sick, I have better cardio even though I don't focus on cardio, I have better hand-eye coordination and can catch and throw balls easily even though I don't practice any ball sport, I recover fast from an injury, I can carry heavy shit in my day-to-day life if need be, I look good naked, and I have a great posture. All this just from lifting iron and messing around on the machines at the gym. No more than 5 hours a week.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, you should never return to exes, no matter what? Even if it was your own fault, or her fault or she apologizes? Keep in mind that many guys on this sub are 22y old or younger males, who still have to make experiences and are often immatu

This boils down to: she cheated, was planing to or she blatantly disrespected my boundaries regarding her contact with other men. These 3 things, while a bit different from eachother, fall into one category - she is not a LTR material if she doesn't respect your boundaries.

The most likely reason for that is that she lost attraction for you (more often then not it's your fault). Women who are attracted tend not to stray into situations that endanger her relationship in the eyes of the man.

It was over BEFORE she cheated.

This is why you should not get back to her - since there's no attraction there (she regrets that she got caught, not that she cheated) - your 2nd attempt is doomed to be failure. No attraction in LTR means she's there for you to be her wallet.

There is more focus on inner game than outer game in PUA or seduction.

Not that kind of "inner game" as we have on TRP. TRP's "inner game" is more about understanding and navigating general m-f relations and the gynocentric, woman worshiping world.

The "inner game" of PUAs is more about your own mentality and mindset when gaming women.

TRP is about "why products are designed the way they are", PUA is "how to sell that product better".

I don't see a single argument why gym is so much better than Calisthenics.

I'm somewhat sure that it's about using the higher load in gym, which engages nervous system. There's no pushup technique that would immitate benchpress with heavy load. Same goes for other exercises.

[–]haroldpeters 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Your wrong on MGTOW. In fact your whiney take on it reeks of someone with little knowledge or understanding of it, and more about "virtue signalling" how you don't need it. Protecting your rights and pursuing your own advantage is 100% red pill.

[–]throwawaydefriended 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I thought the concept of MGTOW was just no marriage or commitment, didn't know it entailed not having sex.

[–]askmrcia 14 points15 points  (1 child)

That is what MGTOW is. But a lot of guys on here like to think its just a bunch of incels.

If people want to say MGTOW is a bunch of neckbeards that can't get women then red pill is a bunch of try hard gym bros who bang 4's and still stuck in redpill rage mode, but claim they are banging supermodels.

This post is ridiculous and its just another user saying "whatever I say goes, because my edgy ass is more redpill then all you guys arghhh."

[–]daprospecta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair, bodyweight fitness can get you the body you want but you have to bust your ass. Herschel Walker rarely lifted weights, he did push-ups and sit-ups daily. Go look at good physique back then, hell go look at it right now.

[–]forgetful_storytellr 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I agree with 4.5 of 6 (bear with me), here are my counterpoints:


MGTOW is an excellent way to get your mind right. Your analogy about the money is flawed, and it actually lends to my point, which is that yes, some people do shed all of their money and belongings for a life of simplicity and solitude.

You're right in that it's not actualized RP, but it can be an effective tool to escape the trap of monotony, really feel the internal suffering of your ineptitude rather than mask it with pointless distractions, and take action. This, if done correctly, leads to massive self improvement which would put you on the dating market map, effectively taking you out of incel status.


Surfing and bodyweight got me in the best shape of my life in 3 months. Weights without body weight work makes you look like a stiff tool. Athletic functional movements are simple and effective. In other words if you look good and feel good you'll play good.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The OP makes some good points, but it's too general. Take the MGTOW description, sure some of the MGTOW guys are as he described, but I think the majority are not. Like many groups, MGTOW is diverse. Many guys in this group are not guys that can't get women, they are guys that had girlfriends or wives that fucked them over. After being fucked over, some guys get tired, give up, and go their own way.

[–]2chazthundergut 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Wrong about NoFap.

A lion that is fat and slow and can't hunt for shit wants to learn how to hunt. It asks the other lions, who are out there hunting and killing all types of juicy ass gazelles and zebras.

"Hey guys! I can't catch any gazelles. Do you have any advice?"

"If you can't catch any gazelles, how did you get so fat?"

"The humans feed me. They throw dead meat at me, as much as I ever want."

"Stop eating the dead meat that the humans throw at you. You are a LION. Hunting is in your DNA. Hunting is your birthright. Yes, you need advice about how to hunt. But if you keep gorging on dead meat, you will never find the natural drive it takes to catch a gazelle!"

[–]RedPill115 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Actually, Lions attack, drive away, and sometimes kill other lions who are on their territory. Predators don't like competition.

[–]RedPilledRoaster 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I disagree with the NoFap point. It definitely makes a difference.

Now, not fapping because it “objectifies” is fucking stupid. But don’t assume it doesn’t have any benefits.

For me, fapping once a month is perfect. The only reason I figured this out was because of NoFap.

NoFap is a good concept but I do agree that the sub is filled with blue pilled bullshit.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (24 children)

Absolutely phenomenal post, I agree with 99%.

NoFap might be dumb, but NO PORN is definitely not dumb. IDC if you fap, but if you watch porn, imo, you're playing yourself. It's a max beta behavior.

[–]parsnippityjim 40 points41 points  (5 children)

You’re training your brain to be aroused by another man with a huge dick banging a girl. Literally turning yourself into a cuck when you watch porn.

[–]hellofriendo1234 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Even if you’re not into hardcore porn, the opportunity of novelty just a click away can cause major problems when you are trying to be intimate with a single woman. This is the problem I have, as my porn habit entails 99% softcore/solo stuff. I used to think it wasn’t an issue because I’m not all that into boy-girl or weird freaky fetish shit, but the more I’ve learned the more I’ve realized I’m fooling myself.

It’s an absolutely terrible addiction/habit and needs to be eliminated from any healthy man’s lifestyle.

[–]BrownGummyBear 11 points12 points  (2 children)

What if you only watch lesbian porn though. Are you "literally turning yourself into a cuck" by watching a girl eating pussy? 🙄

[–]BrownGummyBear 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I'm reading so many guys on this sub saying "porn is for losers" "por is for betas" but absolutely NONE gets to explain why. Would you mind doing so?

[–]LukesLikeIt 5 points6 points  (4 children)

You’re getting sexual satisfaction watching another man fuck the girl you want to fuck. You’re wiring your brain into liking being cucked

[–]BrownGummyBear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's plenty of porn without dicks though. There's plenty of female masturbation vids and lesbian porn. What are your thoughts on watching that type of porn then?

[–]temerarious 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I disagree about PUA. Game is a skill just like any other that can be improved. Nobody says you should stop improving in other areas while you work on your game.

I really like the way Mark Manson conceptualizes it. When you approach a woman, she will either be positive, neutral, or negative to your approach. All the improvement we talk about in TRP makes it more likely you will get positive responses. But when you get a neutral response (ignore negative responses, they’re a waste of time), game can turn them positive.

[–]EdmondDaunts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TRP is like understanding optionality. You choose your investments for the downside as well as upside.

[–]alpha-priori 2 points3 points  (0 children)

20 a month for a damn good gym


WTH man. I pay 31/month for LA Fitness and don't even get a deadlift station.

[–]phoenixtoast 2 points3 points  (1 child)

NoFAP is usually taken too far, but the movement is primarily driven by the fact that porn will eventually give you erectile dysfunction. It's easy for a 21 year old (many of whom populate this community) to think that their sex drive will never slow down.

PUA used to work, believe it or not. It worked for about the 20 year period where technology was advanced enough for men to communicate their observations but not so advanced as for women to gain a complete advantage in the dating market. That happened in 2012 or 2013, right around the time the MSM started going after the PUAs as womanizers.

The social media advice is wrong, dead, dead wrong. While you think that not having social media makes you cool and edgy, for a female this is a giant red flag. You don't need the most awesome profiles either, you just need to demonstrate on a semi-regular basis that you have friends, interests, and do fun things.

The gym advice is right. Gym avoidance is primarily driven by fear of the unknown.

[–]mmmoreos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Idk what the obsession is with lifting as the only way. Think it is the best if you don’t have another activity but if you are a marathoner, Ironman, or climber or mountain biker it’s not the only way. The activities mentioned may not get you the same physique but you will be fit and happy and have purpose and confidence.

[–]hodltaco 2 points3 points  (0 children)


For the life of me don't know why this is a thing. Some of the dumbest most EXPENSIVE things I've ever done are because the pipes were full.

[–]Justforthecans 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nofap is a lie.

This research disagrees. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1631%2Fjzus.2003.0236

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Keepin' it real dawg.

This week was one of my best weeks women-wise. For the first time ever, I didn't want to jerk off. Boners didn't make it impossible to sleep. My cock was too sore from from all the seshes or was just tired of pussy and women for the day.

Being against a naked woman that you caress and defile all night and fall asleep with is awesome on a carnal level. Women are wonderful for lovin, touchin, and squeezin. Any man that hates women doesnt get pussy or doesnt know how to handle them. I know all their tricks and I am numero uno. There's not a woman alive who can manipulate me into being a wallet, a beta, or a husband, or raise another man's kids, or have her move in. The mind games dont require effort on my part. That just leaves pure pleasure.

Once you have a chad experience, you'll know what I mean.

edit: had a bad link

[–]3whatsthisgarg 8 points9 points  (1 child)

have a chad experience, you'll know

ANYONE doubting the decline in quality of TRP should go read posts from 2 and 3 years ago, more specifically, the comments to the posts. The level of maturity and experience will stun you.

If I had to guess I'd say the average age of commenters in 2014 was late 20s; today it must be 15.

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would agree. I see a lot of 4chab b/ stuff on here. Still my fav sub, but yea you're right.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don’t agree with number 4. I’m on asktrp pretty frequently and I’ve never seen a comment telling the OP to get back with their ex

[–]prodigy2throw 3 points4 points  (0 children)

All this advice is YMMV. I can easily make an RP case for each one of these points except for maybe returning to exes. TRP isn’t a binary thing.

[–]jonib0ni 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I cannot thank you enough for this post. Especially this

NoFap is simply bro science combined with male shaming to make incels seem like they are accomplishing something

[–]NarcKammerjaeger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Controversial indeed. HIT resistance training is very useful and can be incooperated into other sports very well. I would choose and advice a guided boxing / muay Thai training over an 1.5 h 3x sets with phone games, selfies, Playlist switching, and mirror posing or better yet bitch games about eye contact with that hb 9 (hahaha hahaha). I kinda get that counter nofap movement around here. But there is a physiological difference between a porn addict and someone who just rubs one out on the occasion. Would you advice to just take a paff on that cigar to someone 2 months clean from nicotine?

[–]Extremely_Photogenic 1 point2 points  (2 children)

My opinion on NoFap aligns with /u/omlala. I forget what the post is called but I'm sure you can find it on his account.

Also, if you see this Om, fuck you for leaving us! And start making YouTube videos for Christ sake I can only watch the one so many times

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hello. I’m here.

And ok. What about?

[–]gELSK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

// , About baking.

Preferably with cookies

[–]wander_company 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This seems to be catering mostly to guys that are pretty far along in the success journey though.

The no fap thing for example: Your basically saying if i was getting laid on the regular it wouldnt be an issue worth discussing. But i'm not getting laid on the regular..... I find that not fapping helps to push me out into situations that i will get laid, so i dont see your logic with that one at all

[–]appolo11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The 7th blue pill behavior: Flagrant overuse of acronyms.

[–]Zormut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well I don't even know where to start, you are mostly wrong for many reasons.

[–]1davebrain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sex is great

Marcus Aurelius says sex is just something rubbing against your dick. I'm not in the habit of arguing with Roman Emperors.

[–]StrangerDanGer707 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What’s with this sort of posts. The world today is so aggressive, they stand for beliefs yet not being critical about it. Give it a chance, think about it then make a conclusion. You OP are just like bunch of CEOs of today, trying to sell you a fog as if they have some magical thing

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I once read a post on here that compared going back to an ex to a dog returning to its throw up and eating it. Maybe it's because of the crude imagery, but that line really stuck with me.

Here's the deal on exes - you got with your ex when you were BP and at less than your full potential. You should be upgrading as you improve yourself.

If your ex is the best you can do, you're a fucking lame.

[–]subgamer90 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is some ridiculous and cringey shit. The only thing even remotely correct is the "Don't go back to exes" part and maybe the social media thing.

Bodyweight fitness? Yeah it's so terrible. Wouldn't want to end up weak like those pussies in the Navy SEALs or the Marines who mostly do bodyweight and endurance stuff. /s

MGTOW? You're right I can't see any reason why a modern man wouldn't want relationships with women, seeing as how they're all perfectly sane and loyal with unique and interesting personalities and they never cuck men or try to trap them into knocking them up or lie about rape to destroy a man's life. And there's definitely no men out there that have been burned multiple times by bitches and are tired of it /s

NoFap? You're right I should just jerk off 5 times daily because there's no way that would ever sap any of my energy or kill any of my motivation to do anything.

Anyways, there's really no such thing as alpha and beta and if you obsess over that shit you're trying too hard. This sub gets worse every time I come back to give it another chance. Nothing but people humble bragging about how many plates they fucked this week, or obsessing over whether every little action they took that day is alpha or beta, or cringey shit bashing MGTOW and other men who don't fit into the "alpha" mold because they don't care.

[–]tonyduc367 1 point2 points  (0 children)

go orgasm u faggot and fight me in ring after 15 minute. I promise your "healthy fap" will destroy you in ring because I didnt fap. Gl faggot beta.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Yeah, fucking your own hand is pretty red pilled.

Great insight.

[–]Conor_Niggregor 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This post is retarded and everyone is lapping it up because they resonate with OP’s chronic cynicism

[–]ExposeThisBitchPls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol you think bodyweight fitness is harder than cardio? I do both and I can tell you I’m relieved on lifting days. No girls wants a dude with big muscles that are covered by a layer of fat. They’re equally important and cardio helps toning

[–]WolfofAnarchy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Following posts like these with binary thinking and going 'oh no, i can't read this article because it'll make me beta!' is the most hilarious thing ever.

[–]arthurabyssal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Problem With Calisthenics is that is is performance-based, not muscle-building based oftentimes. Doing 20 fast pull-ups is an achievement, but doing bodybuilding-style slow controlled chin-ups with an arched back, feet behind you and head looking up builds great back muscles. Doing regular dips will not build huge muscles better then rope pulldowns or bench press, but doing Gironda Chest dips with elbows flared outwards, head looking down, feet in front if you and dipping all the way down is THE BEST chest exercise in existence (not kidding it stimulates the chest muscles more than any exercise in EMG studies). Look at this https://youtu.be/a9KCekQZij8

Heck I've been squatting and sissy squatting (a great thigh-sweep builder) in the gym for 7 months and I can barely do ONE pistol squat all the way down.

[–]asotranq 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I think mgtow is kind of an extension of the anger phase honestly. The way a lot of guys talk on there clearly don't have their heads screwed on properly and still let women dictate their emotions and occupy their thoughts a lot. Also it's kind of fun to think to yourself you're casting away women and just want nothing to do with them again. I think a lot of them probably are betas that just got completely played and dominated in a relationship and then got dumped and this is their way of acting like they're still in control.

[–]RPTA3498 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My bullshit excuse for bodyweight fitness. I train MMA/BJJ/Muay Thai about 7-10 hours per week. Only have time to get 1, maybe 2 lifting sessions in per week.

[–]robbiedigital001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the PUA issue I would say that for me personally some of the general reframes about recognising your own value are in line with red pill philosophy and useful in a wider life context. Again, like anything, approach everything critically, take information that benefits you and discard the rest.

[–]broscientologist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But I want to get better at moving my body through space and time.

[–]jigglyp33n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Calisthenics people: girls do not fucking care how many chin-ups you can do. They only care if it looks like you can pick up their boyfriend and break him in half.

Don't be a fool. Go to school. Unless it doesn't have a gym. Then go to the gym.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mostly agreed OP, except:

The problem with PUA is that the mission is not yourself, the mission is women.

TRP is not "build yourself and they will come".

The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

If you have to "do things to get laid", then fine do it. No reason not to. Classic example: losing bodyfat. Great for getting girls, noone else gives a fuck.

[–]IronFoz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About NoFap:

Yes, it's mostly for people like me who suffered Erectile Dysfunction due to years of porn consumption (and depression). Addicts like me, are scarred for life. I left porn for two years, and when I came back thinking I was already "cured", I began feeling down again, ED, and social anxiety, after using it. Problem is LOTS of people don't know that their main issue IS from fapping to porn. Just like a drug addict, our dopamine receptors are busted, and only feel satisfied with tab-searching the perfect scene and edging for hours.

So yeah, if you are not addicted to porn, nor have any ED issues... It's not the holy grail. It's better cutting porn the same way you cut alcohol, or any other bad habits, but restraining masturbation completely I believe it's for extreme cases, for those people it is the holy grail, and life changing.

[–]goldenhourlivin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will agree with some of the statements about social media and the sentiment about it, but I'm not entirely sure that not having social media is very beneficial. I'm very new to TRP still so I'm willing to believe I might be wrong about that.

Depending on who you are it might be "creepy" to not have social media, but you're probably already a "creepy" person if anyone thinks that just because you delete your accounts. I think that social media may be permissible if you don't show all of your cards on it (again, I might be wrong here). My social media accounts are set up is in a way that pretty much only major life events (graduating college, getting a job in my field, etc.) and things others (family and friends) tag me in are being posted. At least in my mind, anyone who sees my accounts should be able to tell pretty quickly that there's much more going on outside of me getting my degree X amount of years ago. Also, I have pretty much only family, close friends, and some people from high school (who i'm mainly watching to see how bad it all inevitably goes); anyone who annoys the fuck out of me, attention whores, posts political/religious things without appearing to understand their own argument, etc get deleted.

I will admit there are some exes/old flings that follow me that I need to go through and purge, but I don't think social media should be vilified in such an absolute, all or nothing way.

[–]BobbyPeru 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I have no idea why so many claim No Fap is a red pill

Ever since I stopped fapping, sex with my wife has tripled. Of course, swallowing the pill was an even bigger factor.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I doubt he had married men in mind when he wrote the OP.

And, yeah, if you fap and are married, you are going to feel less inclined to fuck your wife often. That's pretty obvious.

[–]BobbyPeru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought about that, but I think it applies for single guys. It’s a good motivator to practice game. If I was single, I’d want to plate a few and rotate them.... still would be no need to fap

[–]Phaeer 1 points1 points [recovered]

Is sex with your wife better than fapping though? That's the real question.

[–]BobbyPeru 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It is what you make it. I’m a fan of DEVI- just about every woman has a dirty girl inside her

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (3 children)

social media is damn useful. i match with girls on tinder on the daily. greatest and easiest way to get laid. its like free delivery of pussy to my door. haters gonna hate.

[–]Phaeer 1 points1 points [recovered]

It's not even close to free. You are paying with your time, your most precious resource.

[–]Arabian_Wolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bodyweight lifting can be the only way to continue training for men camping or backpacking 3rd world countries.

[–]Trucks_N_Chainsaws 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Bodyweight Fitness

There is nothing wrong with bodyweight fitness.

[–]denisgomesfranco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Porn addiction and masturbation are two separate issues

I was on the fence about NoFap. Never did it but when I got to know about it I thought 'That seems odd, but is there a chance they can be right?'

Thanks for clearing that up :D It makes sense to just masturbate whenever you want as long as that doesn't impact on your other life areas.

[–]glutenfreecrackbaby 0 points1 point  (2 children)

  1. why calisthenics over weight-lifting? because for me personally weight lifting is boring as fuck, at least i get joy out of weighted calisthenics.

  2. "the problem with PUA is that the mission is not yourself, the mission is women"

why is that not irreconcilable? why is that not for my own benefit? i am doing PUA for myself as a selfish desire because i like attracting women and getting laid.

  1. I am not sure about the legitimacy of nofap and whether it is just a placebo or not, but i tried it to disprove it to myself and found all the benefits i was skeptical about and more.

[–]jetspeed_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trp is a toolbox and this post is shouting “this hammer is bad because people use it wrong”. A hammer can’t be wrong. You are angry you see other people using the hammer to try and screw. But that doesn’t mean a hammer is useless just because your dumbass doesn’t know how to use it.

[–]jonpe87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I get from TRP is "Live as it please you, without apology". So it's not important what you do, but why you do.

[–]PreparedBody 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just came to say you’re full of shit in regards to body weight routines.

I love liftin heavy shit but calisthenics is legit AF

[–]Shaman6624 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No fap as a lifestyle is just weird but jerking of every day (maybe multiple times) does fuck with your motivation and other things out of my personal experience it will benefit you to take a few days in between and get used to fapping less. I was in a discussion about dopamine desentisitation just yesterday and the conclusion was that although it isnt sure dopamine is the main culprit. Doing to much artificially rewarding hyper stimulating things fucks with your motivation. To discuss these potential pitfalls of a man who wants to be in the top 20% of men doesn't seem out of place to me on this sub.

When is something 'red pilled' noone is claiming it's 'redpilled' they are claiming it has benefits.

Pua is just emulating the behaviour of an attractive male to get the same results.

Redpill is not a lifestyle it's a paradigm, a belief. It's a way of looking at the world.

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