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Field ReportDropping my plates has taught me how much women crave male attention. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Rhynovirus

I submitted a post to asktrp a month ago, wondering if I had backdoor LTR'd my favorite plate. In the process of doing so, a remarkable thing happened: all but one of the women in question turned up their vigor in pursuit of me. The one plate I kept, seeing an opportunity for commitment, has increased all of her attention and continually "checks in" to see if we're making progress toward her commitment goal.

TL;DR / Summary: Withdrawing attention before commitment increases your perceived SMV. Creating the impression of availability while withholding commitment makes you more attractive. Women are attracted to the potential outcomes of your encounters and the potential benefits of commitment. Trading this potential for real commitment yields power to the woman. Control over your ability to commit or walk away is one of your most valuable assets.

I gave the background in my OP but briefly, I'll go through the outcomes with each plate and the lesson learned.

  • Single mom HB 8 from Tinder. Ghosted her. I get occasional nude snaps. "Ive been working out" (She has! Amazing body with no baby damage!) Received text message recently saying "so am I ever going to see you again?" Also got a nude this evening thru text. "here's one you can save. LMK when you're free"

  • Ex stripper HB7 into group sex. Very hot friends. Freindzoned her. Ended up having a MMFFF with her and her friends two weeks after I explained to her I needed more time to myself and couldn't commit to what she wanted (an LTR). Between the time I told her of my decision and went no contact and the next time we saw each other she had 1) gained about 10lbs and 2) started smoking again. When I asked her why she told me she had "been eating [her] feelings". Since our last encounter I've gotten daily texts from her. She keeps talking about how all the time I've spent in the gym is paying off. She has actually plated herself.

  • Single mom, HB6 but awesome personality. Ghosted. Traded a few snaps but I think she figured out I wasn't into her when I refused her sex after she made a racist comment.

  • HB9 attorney in adjacent city. Ghosted. A week after this she questioned me saying "[she] thought things were going really well..." Told her my decision was final and she said she was ok with it. A week later she asked me if I wanted to go to an NBA game with her. Two days ago she said she was coming to [my location] on business if I "wanted to meet up"

  • Kind of nerdy Engineer, HB8, would make a great redpillwomen user. Friendzoned her. She was sending me pics the other day of new underwear she had bought. "Which ones are sexiest?" and conversation closing "I shoulda been buying these for you" text messages.

  • HB8 15 years younger than me. Noticed I wasn't going out as much. Told her I was cutting back on dating and spending more time in the gym. Got two random presents from her, an invitation to spend a weekend together and she has been dropping passive hints that she'd like to "have something with a title." The sex has never been better. I wish I had words to describe what its like when a woman is in full pursuit mode.

In closing, I didn't expect that withdrawing attention while maintaining perceived availability could be so powerful. I dropped the plates not to game girls but because I wanted more time for myself. The results of that decision have serendipitously taught me a valuable lesson.

Edit: I can't link directly to my OP on asktrp but if you'd like to read it PM me.


[–]Herdsengineers608 points609 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Women fall for you when they miss you. In order to miss you, you have to give them opportunity to miss you by not being present/available when they want it. They're like cats, chase them and they run. Leave them alone, they jump up in your lap, pad around, and snuggle in.

[–]gonzo1986_201790 points91 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That sums it up perfectly dude!

[–]XpeedMclaren82 points83 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Law 16 (Use absence to increase power) in a nutshell

[–]Pastelitomaracucho20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Cat owner here. My cat will literally come centimetres from my face purring and if I lean close for a kiss or a snuggle, she will just back off and walk away. If I instead ignore her, she will just jump on me.

[–]Heisenbread7715 points16 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Where does the clawing come in? That's been my experience with cats.

[–]2awalt_cupcake11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

branch swinging. like putting a cat in a bath, it will use you to climb up, over, and off onto the dry ground

[–]lIIlllIIlIIllIlllIIl 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

No, it's more like when your cat goes missing. You see an ad in the newspaper for "found cat" that matches its description. When you get to the person's house to pick it up, you discover that the cat is perfectly happy and already settled into its new home. It's sitting on the porch, happily cleaning itself after a nice meal, notices you, and apparently doesn't give two shits as if your 10 years of partnership meant nothing and was so easily forgotten.

FUCK YOU, MITTENS.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does that mean one should engineer scarcity? Eg ensure I don't have free nights for a week or just say "sorry I'm busy (tonight)" even if I'm not?

And to be clear, I am trying to make some.of this scarcity a reality, but I also love to have down time and flex in my schedule too.

[–]Augustuscrassus340 points341 points  (159 children) | Copy Link

Why is it whenever I read FRs I smell bullshit. They always feel too good to be true. I've been here a year and plated a few girls but never received this level of attention.

Girls don't give a fuck if you ghost them, especially a "HB9 Attorney." Buddy she works with people who's shits have more status than you.

Unless you're >6' and have great genetics you aren't getting this level of attention. I love this subreddit for the sidebar and what it's taught me but god the FRs are a load of horseshit.

[–]bboy1977 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Where would one meet an attorney, engineer, hot single mom, stripper? Genuinely curious, unless this is all via Tinder.

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In order: Tinder, convention, airport, music festival, gym, charity event.

[–]cashmoney_x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, all different places, how convenient.

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor154 points155 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It's very rare for a woman to reach out to you after ghosting her, because she has tons of other dudes at her disposal. Especially if she's really hot.

[–]ItsYough123116 points117 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Assuming it's all true, I guarantee his version of a HB9 is a lot different to ours, let's just say that;)

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor75 points76 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I mean I'm a good looking guy who isn't afraid to admit that he has bang some fatties and ugly chicks. I feel like guys overstate how hot certain women are.

Even Jennifer Lawrence isn't as hot as people think, but she was propped up because she sucked off Harvey Weinstein. Definitely would bang her, but I have seen better looking women.

[–]theredpillager13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

J. Law is my go to example of overrated attractiveness.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers002 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well she's not a hb10, but she's certainly a sexy and pretty woman. Doubt you could say overrated. Exhibit A:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/20/article-2563945-1A98546E00000578-977_634x840.jpg

[–]theredpillager15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

She has on literally $10,000+ worth of makeup, styling, etc. GTFO outta here with that bullshit. Def overrated. Exhibit B: her leaked nudes

[–]1scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Please stop saying literally when you actually mean figuratively.

Shes not a total stunner but I still classify her as hot, even lacking that starlet glam job.

[–]theredpillager1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I meant literally. I know what the word means. I'm not sure you do though.

[–]ItsYough12332 points33 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Every guy's banged a fatty and some uglies if he's been with a few girls lol.

I'd rate her at about a 6. Perfect girl next door type. She appeals to everyone and we'd all happily bang her. Not saying my ratings are scripture but they're probably more accurate than those given by most on here.

[–]Oppressions6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are you assuming every guy who's been around has loose standards?

[–]Heisenbread77-5 points-4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

6?!?! She is a solid 9 in Silver Linings Playbook.

[–]THEnimble_mongoose6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

6?!?! She is a solid 9 in Silver Linings Playbook.

she is not a 9 but she has a nice ass and knows how to shake it. She's a 7 for me.

[–]Heisenbread772 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is why the number system is asinine.

[–]THEnimble_mongoose1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

looks are entirely subjective. You think Lawrence is a mega hotty, I think she is above average but nothing special. To each their own.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah there's better looking women. But she was beautiful in American Hustle.

[–]theredpillager9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. There is no such thing as an HB8 single mom. Not this species, not on this planet.

[–]beta_no_mo-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought we didn't allow women and their pettiness in here?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She's got plenty of other betas who would fuck her in a heartbeat and maybe have. But she wants the one who's putting himself off-limits. That's the game-changer there.

[–]Donwartelone2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There u go +2 points i agree and no matter what your SMV they want the guys that give the less amount of interest.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl43 points44 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It's very rare for a woman to reach out to you after ghosting her, because she has tons of other dudes at her disposal. Especially if she's really hot.

Really hot sluts might not give a shit about you. Hot conservative types (i.e. less slutty than hot sluts), aren't completely broken. If you're a man of status, wealth, power, then you're in the top 20% and thus, shiny. Women won't reach out to basic boys cause they're a dime a dozen.

Currently being on the receiving end of attraction, my life in the SMP is completely different than pre-TRP days. Pick your women well and they'll be good to you and for you.

[–]machialon1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hot sluts like attention you don't give them. Try this: Walk to a room with a target hottie, look at every single girl but her. Catch her looking at you in the peripherals. The chase is on. Enjoy.

[–]AutofluorescentGrid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey . I read this on the game .

[–]beta_no_mo5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but women want what they can't have right now.

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not always. If you have a plate, ghost her for a bit and see if she texts you back. Sometimes she might, other times and what mostly happens is that she will forget about you and move on.

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes she might, other times and what mostly happens is that she will forget about you and move on.

The important lesson here is that either outcome is acceptable and not in your control. Outcome independence.

[–]0ICWhatUDidThere10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not true.
You ghost a chick and they freak out. They can't stand that shit. Even if they don't think you are worth it they still want the upper hand. They want to be the one to have ended it.

Last girl I ghosted because it was getting to serious from her. I'm just getting out of a long marriage. She is loaded with money, owns her house no mortgage, tons of money in the bank. She is very pretty. Got her shit together.

She started wanting to title what We were. I didn't. So she was cool about it and said maybe we need to split. I agreed. 2 days later and she is buying gifts for me and asking if she can bring them over. I say no. She starts mailing gifts to me.

I'm telling you. Ghost a chick, really ghost them. No contact from you at all and they freak out.

[–]Solistx 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Eh, I think it can go both ways depending on what you are for the woman in question. I went no-contact with a girl 3-4 times and everytime she threw a massive bitch fit about why I haven't been around, answering calls, etc. It was her coming back to me everytime. I was an orbiter I will admit, but it was very strange to me why she would put so much effort into keeping me around if she never so much as held my hand.

I saw that I was an orbiter and kept leaving, but didnt have the willpower to stay that way and came back for a few days before going no-contact again.

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your mistake was not making a move and asking her out on a dinner date. Asking a woman out for dinner is making her think that you are wanting to push for commitment.

From what I interpreted, you never banged this chick. She toyed with your emotions

[–]strikethrough1234 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Jesus how can you be so dense?

[–]Celicni11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Am dense, explain it to me.

[–]strikethrough12336 points37 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

"Pretend to be my boyfriend", she wanted to be fucked. "Eh, I'm not really looking for anything right now", she wanted to be fucked. You drank and smoked IN HER ROOM and ON HER BED and you asked her for a fucking dinner date? Dude..

This isn't a case of "I'm a beta orbiter and went no contact but she kept hitting me up randomly and gives me green lights then takes them back", this is a case of "She wants your cock but you act beta as fuck every time she gives you an opportunity so she goes cold afterwards".

[–]Xtermix9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol, we all make mistakes, but i think this is a product of nurture rather than nature.

[–]strikethrough1236 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes we do. Please learn from them.

[–]Xtermix2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Im not op, but i mean, this is something he has een conditioned to. I see tgis with alot of guys, they treat girls like guys, and expect them to act so too. Ive even heard of guys where the girl changes infront of him.

[–]strikethrough1231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I understand. This guy can break through his conditioning. The next time she hits him up to smoke in her room he should man the fuck up for his own sake.

[–]Celicni0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not that dude mate. But thanks for the explanation. I DO have a similar situation myself, but that chick is like that with everyone, but she's not a slut (pretty sure she's a virgin at 19 and she's an 8/10 AT LEAST, literally heard her boyfriend begging for it one night I was sleeping over at her place after a party and she was very firm with the "NO"). I think she does it just to get a kick.

Got some time to assess my situation or I shouldn't bother with typing?

[–]Rhynocobear2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I kind of disagree, i dont have a huge experience pool but its happened twice to me "hey i really enjoyed sending time with you, why have you stopped talking to me?". I replied that i knew she has several guys on the go and that wasn't good enough for me, or that she wasn't someone i was compatible with.

Ymmv, but it happens.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is dead wrong. Every time I ghost a plate she snaps to life trying to get my attention

[–]THEnimble_mongoose1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It's very rare for a woman to reach out to you after ghosting her

Only if you are bad at fucking her and getting her wet.

[–]HS-Thompson16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

My experience has matched this guys report. He mentioned that one of the plates is 15 years younger, so I'll assume that he's not a pedophile and is at least in his late 30's or 40's. When you get a little older this kind of thing is actually pretty common, nothing in this story is implausible.

I don't think a 23 year old guy dating 7 different college chicks is going to have this experience at all though, they have ridiculous abundance of other similar guys, so if that's your frame of reference I understand where you are coming from.

[–]Augustuscrassus2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It is my frame on reference. I'm probably top 30% so I'll admit that most of my girls are not high. Maybe HB3-7. I'm naturally attractive but between school and work i don't really have time to pull or really have a social life. Most of my gaming is through tinder so i see a higher level of flakes naturally.

I'm 27 so we'll see in a few years. I still don't see it though. I don't ever see hot girls put with 40 year olds but that's just me.

[–]theredpillager5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't ever see hot girls put [out, I assume] with 40 year olds but that's just me.

One explanation for this is that the 40 year old guys dating college/hot girls don't look their age. I will be 40 before long and no one believes I'm over 30. 4 of the last 5 girls I've hooked up with, dated, etc. were under 23. The other was 27 (still over 10 years younger). My last LTR was 14 years younger and gorgeous. I fucked that one up, much to my chagrin. Anyhow, point being, you wouldn't have known we were 15 years apart had you seen us out.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The game just gets better as you age. All girls start liking you more, even the 18-21 year olds (do way better with them than I ever did in highschool and college). The people you encounter begin to respect you more. You have more experience and money. You have non-physical value that doesnt deteriorate with your looks. Everything is better.

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 23 points24 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know what to tell you. Eye of the beholder? Look, I’m just some guy on the internet so take what I wrote as fiction if you need to. Ignore the ratings, take the lesson. Life is a buffet, take what you want and leave the rest. I’ve been gifted with good looks and the fortune to be pilled while young enough to enjoy it. I have the money and the agency to lead the life I want. Extremely attractive and successful women are actually easier than the average ones. I think they let their guard down due to constant BP attention and are less suspicious than others who have been gamed before. There's an element of self selection too: I always try to "date up". If you only aim for the top you'll only hit the top.

Anyway...Go me.

[–]phoenixtoast13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, handsome, young, and wealthy. You can ghost and get away with it. Or you can not ghost and still get the attention. So why on earth would you write a post encouraging men to ghost on women when

A) it's not the reason these women are attracted to you in the first place B) it's irrelevant whether you do it or not C) you know most on here will not be working the same variables, i.e. high SMV

This post is a great disservice to many new people on this board. I assume you just wanted to write a post, but feared that posting "Be rich, hot, and young" would be extremely redundant (it would.)

[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Incels have infested this board. Leave please.

[–]Augustuscrassus8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

There it is. If that's the case i believe you. But honestly it doesn't do any one who visits here any goos to read about a guy with good genetics and rich parents. That's not most people.

I knew a guy in high school like this. Pissed me off the way women looked at him but he was a cool dude and I'm sure you are too.

Reading this makes guys who have nothing to start with feel its all hard work when we all know that isn't completely true.

Good for you if what you wrote is true; I don't want to come off as a hater.

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Hard work.

I have worked extremely hard to earn everything I have and have suffered numerous setbacks that would be catastrophic to most people. If you go by where I started, where I grew up, or what I experienced as a kid I shouldn't even know what a computer is. Instead I have actively cultivated myself into the person that I want to be. Your woe is me attitude holds you back.

[–]phoenixtoast-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Haha, the classic "my dad was a milkman" retort that every silver spoon politician uses to justify every advantage they had in life.

[–]gELSK5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

// , I've lost more money than you have ever made, lived in a van for a year, and a rat infested attic for two years.

Sure, there are silver spoon losers out there. But, in general, you don't know what you're talking about. Upward class mobility is RARE in the USA. That's because it's damned hard, and no one believes in you or wants you to succeed.

You have the balls to risk it all on some business venture that has a 75% rate of failure in others, after you've already failed 2 times?

[–]cashmoney_x-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyway...Go me.

That was all you needed to write to begin with.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (50 children) | Copy Link

never received this level of attention.

Then you're doing something wrong. If you're in good shape, generally happy and charismatic and actually try with women collecting a soft harem is easy.

Obviously, finding women you actually want to hang out with as opposed to just fucking is much harder. You gotta ask yourself if you can actually be bothered managing a soft harem too.

Ghosting girls doesn't always work. But if you've fucked them properly, or excited them enough, they usually reach out after a while.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pick your women well and they'll be good to you and for you.

Guys will need to get thru a lot of basic bitches until they learn to get pussy off the pedestal.

[–]Augustuscrassus17 points18 points  (46 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I am. I'm not saying I have a harem or much success with higher tier women but even in my best days I've never had women begging. They have too many options.

Don't believe everything you read online. OP is likely full of shit. A HB9 isn't going to beg you to come to an NBA game with her unless op is secretly John Hamm.

You're also selling new readers on a fantasy much like feminism. This subreddit likes to feed fantasies to people like "Just dress better and lift and all the 8s, 9s, 10s of the world will be yours." The truth is the same guys who are getting those women before you will still be getting them and you'll be stuck getting scraps. It will just be easier to pick from the 5s, 6s, and 7s. How is this any different than feminism telling women they can have it all?

At 35 you won't be getting 22 year old hotties without paying (literally) for it. The high SMV 22 year old males will still be beating you to them. I had an 18 year old HB8 I was snapping over the summer who told me she thought I was hot, but wouldn't go out with me because of my age (I'm 27). I ghosted her because actions > words.

This is just the cold reality for you. Most of the field reports are made up and too good to be true.

[–]ItsYough12323 points24 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The vast majority of field reports on here are mostly exaggerated. These are guys who went from no women to suddenly getting the cream of the crop and having them bow down to everything they say? lol. I guarantee you their rating for women is waaayy off. I've seen redditors rate each other before in other threads and let's just say they tend to be very inflated i.e 3s are 5, 5s are 7 and 6.5s are 9s.

Even the way some of them write just gives me the chills. I can tell they aren't the social gods they claim to be. Most of the people who go into such detail like they do ARE NOT getting the quality pussy they say they are. Sure they're probably getting nice pussy but they're over exaggerating, I bet.

Edit: Not saying OP is a liar. Maybe he is a cool, great looking guy. What I am saying however applies to a lot of the posts I read on here.

[–]phoenixtoast9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, I tend to think a lot of these write ups are just coping mechanisms, male hamstering for guys who crave order and a 1,2,3 process to everything in life.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_20167 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These are guys who went from no women to suddenly getting the cream of the crop and having them bow down to everything they say?

This is key. Noobs who have suffered from dry dick for years have very little experience rating chicks because of desperation. Every chick is "hot" when you're young and desperate. But a guy who has fucked hundreds is going to have a much different scale than the guy that's fucked 10. (Assuming the hundreds bloke isn't fucking swamp rats. And is actually trying to game decent girls.)

[–]Augustuscrassus11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This was the point I was trying to make.

[–]theredpillager7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At 35 you won't be getting 22 year old hotties without paying (literally) for it.

This is simply false, and you'll start to learn it for yourself in three years. The fact is, right now, you are still just three years removed from being a fuck boi. Hell, you might still be a fuck boi, and you almost definitely still talk to them like a fuck boi pretty often. News flash, despite what some on this sub like to spout, women do not like to be treated like shit. A lot of the advice here is to be some rude asshole, but James Bond stoicism is really the goal, and that attitude gets much more natural as you mature.

Your thirties will be the best decade of your life, and a lot of that will be because, if you want, you'll still be sleeping with 20 somethings, and you'll have a much better time with them because they're going to like you more than they would have liked 25 year old you. Your thirties are where you come into your own. You start to figure life out. I found a great article about this years ago; I went looking for it but couldn't find it. But it's totally accurate. It might be hard to convince you right now, but I'd love to check back in with you in 4-5 years and get a status update. You'll change your tune.

[–]grewapair16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I was dating a 24 year old when I was 38, until I met her parents. Then I got "You're too old" and that was the end of it.

Fast forward 14 years she finds me on facebook, post wall. I told her she was the exact same age I was when she told me I was too old, and given that I only date 20 somethings, she was now too old for me.

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 25 points26 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

At 35 you won't be getting 22 year old hotties without paying (literally) for it.

Not true. If this is what you believe my post cannot help you.

[–]Swelfie8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I think it's easier to get them in my 40s than it was in my 20's actually. Alot of 22 year old hotties love older men. Kind of a daddy thing I think.

[–]Xtermix1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Girls dont like guys their age, ive almost always dated girls 1-3 years younger than me.

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Funny enough, my best LTR was a woman 6 years my elder.

[–]Xtermix1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That must have been alot of fun!

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was until I slipped back into BP mindset, worked her up as a unicorn and fucked it all up with oneitis. Lesson learned.

[–]SuperCrazy071 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some younger girls don't like guys their age. There is too much of a maturity gap for them. At the same time, I do know some younger girls feel older is gross.

Almost all older girls want guys their own age but can't get them unless the guy is a total loser.

[–]reydemierde17 points18 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I tend to agree with you on most of it but the age thing. I'm almost 40 and I routinely pick up and fuck 22-25 year old attractive girls. That's because i don't dress like a dad, I take very good care of myself, I have a better body than most of the 22 year old dudes, and I also have a decent amount of money, education, and prestige in my career. That being said, I don't try to pick them up in their environment because it doesn't work. Find them at a place where older people visit and it's easy pickings. Fresh out of college girls are broke and realize the world is harsh and that their peers can't offer them security. Unless you're a loser, a late 30's guy can offer them the illusion of security which is enough to get laid.

[–]firewelt 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Can you give a couple of such places where young girls can be approached by older men?

[–]reydemierde2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I'm in Texas, so this may be specific to here, but usually country bars are a mixed crowd, and the girls there are open to being approached by older guys. Basically, don't go into a college/early 20's bar as a late 30's dude and expect to get a warm welcome. Find the same girls in a bar where there are mix of 20 somethings and 30 somethings and their attitude changes. You are no longer the old dude at the bar, you are just a guy at the bar. Concerts tend to be pretty good spots as well, and wine bars nowadays since every girl thinks drinking rose' makes her classy.

[–]cafeitalia1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

So you are mainly paying for them? Technically...

[–]d0lphinsex2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are either paying them in money or in time. If you're not fucking them in your time, then they are a time hoe.

"I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave." Charlie Sheen

[–]reydemierde0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, you pay for everything in life one way or the other. Either with your time, attention, or other resources. I'm not a sugar daddy but I also don't have a problem paying for drinks, dinner, etc, because I'm financially secure. I've also traveled all over the world, I'm well read, I know how to do a lot of different shit, and I'm in pretty good shape for a guy my age. A younger guy just won't typically have the means to have the life I have, nor will he have had the time to develop experiences like I have. I provide at least the illusion of experience, intelligence, security, and a bit of excitement because it's not a big deal for me to fly a girl out with me to another city for the weekend. Younger guys unless they are trust fund kids just can't provide the same lifestyle, and because millennials are getting fucked economically a lot of them never will be able to .

[–]Oscar_Cc0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for sharing your experience, but this kind of confirms something I suspected: the high SMV of a mature man has a lot to do with his resources. Staying fit and all that matters, but at the end of the day it is the $$$ (although much better spent than in a BB fashion, that is).

I am slowly coming to think that lifestyle is key with being good at the opposite sex. You might be charming and attractive, but if you don't provide the kind of variety, trips, etc. you describe you are pretty much fucked :(

[–]reydemierde1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your resources absolutely matter. Anyone who tells you otherwise is bullshitting you. You can get away with being a broke dude at 25, but if you are still a broke ass at 40 no one will take you seriously. If you want to be in the top tier of men you have to work on your body as well as your mind, power, and finances.

[–]acetylcysteine5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

as others have added your age assumptions are flawed. i would say ages between 28-35 are ideal for men, and can attract women anywhere from 18-45 in that demographic.

[–]Augustuscrassus-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well I'm 27 and still in school so my frame of reference is that. I can't speak to anything else. But I highly doubt it. How many hot 22 year olds do you see walking around with 40 year olds.

[–]Xtermix6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Almost every 'good' girl in my age 17-22 dates an older guy 25-35

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Don't believe everything you read online. OP is likely full of shit. A HB9 isn't going to beg you to come to an NBA game with her unless op is secretly John Hamm.

Agreed. 9's are prime Jessica Alba's and OP's 9 may well be my 6. Frankly it doesn't matter, if you think you're fucking a 9 then perception is reality. As an aside, HB rating is useless on an anonymous forum with no photos.

At 35 you won't be getting 22 year old hotties without paying (literally) for it.

This shows how little you know. I'm 34 and last night I was in bed with a beautiful, petite, kinky and genuinely lovely 24 year old, who I cut loose because she was liking me too much.

Do you know what she did when I said I don't want a relationship with her? She thanked me then we had sex.

Here's the things I've improved about myself that you can too: physique dress confidence congruence I'm interesting (well travelled, read and educated) career Hobbies (music, side business, writing) etc

Here's everything I was born with that you can't emulate: I'm 5'10 (i.e. not short, but def not tall) Good looking (but not great looking)

i.e. not much.

You're making excuses. You're not a victim, get off your ass and improve.

Good luck.

[–]Augustuscrassus0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What excuses? I'm lucky enough to have a nice face and I'm 5'11".

I need to put in alot more work in the gym and i'm still in school at 27 with a ton of debt because of poor life choices. I gotta work 60 hours a week between my job and school which limits my social life/hobbies significantly.

Short term pain at the moment to pay for wasted youth. These aren't excuses I put myself in a position because i didn't understand life till I found TRP.

Maybe I'll get there some day. Girls tell me I'm hot so I have that going for me. Most 35 year olds aren't pulling 8s, 9s, 10s.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds like you already know what your problems are which is good.

Girls tell me I'm hot so I have that going for me.

One thing i learnt from an ex is that women really don't like a man who doesn't know his worth. It means they've been fooled; if you don't think you're good looking/high value, it contradicts their assessment of you.

So, if girls have told you you're hot (and more importantly you can see it objectively for yourself) own it, know it.

Then, apply yourself so that other aspects of who you are (dress, job, financial situation, personality etc) rises to the level of your looks.

Most 35 year olds aren't pulling 8s, 9s, 10s.

Most 35 year olds either don't compete (married, kids etc) or have let themselves go.

A fit, successful, confident 35 year old man is the equivalent to a nubile 21 year old girl. Difference is, our shelf life is 2-3 times longer.

What you studying?

[–]Augustuscrassus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Finance and marketing. It will be a struggle to break into but I'll probably end up starting in sales. What I really want to do is start my own hedge fund or social media consultancy. Although by the time I'm 40 the market will already be saturated with both.

[–]Oscar_Cc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey man, I am in a similar situation. It is hard sometimes but you have to keep moving.

[–]phoenixtoast2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And if they are true they likely are not the whole story. So maybe OP attributes all this attention to ghosting females, but in actuality he's a pediatrician who inherited a big house that women might want to take half of someday. We'd have to read their texts to reveal whether OP's take on it is right or not, and we all know that will never ever happen.

[–]sleepkeeping0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You ghosted a woman because she said you were essentially too old for her? The 27-18 gap is not big - I think you fucked up a potential shit test.

[–]Augustuscrassus1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well i nexted shortly after. That was her reason for declining a date. Some girls aren't into that; maybe my SMV wasn't high enough. It doesn't really matter to me why it was a rejection and I moved on.

[–]Rhynocobear1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Could just be her values, some people genuinely care about age

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I had an 18 year old HB8 I was snapping over the summer who told me she thought I was hot, but wouldn't go out with me because of my age (I'm 27). I ghosted her because actions > words.

it was just a shit test men...

[–]Augustuscrassus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It wasn't a shit test. I told her OK and moved on, she never texted me again. Like I said my SMV wasn't high enough, she didn't like older guys, her ex had a new girlfriend. Whatever her reason it doesn't matter why I just knew it wasn't going anywhere.

[–]MrRobotTheorist 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I mean at least for me I've never had to use any of these tactics to make myself actractive. I literally be myself and can get any girl I want. Plus I don't think these red pill tactics work for every girl to make them want you.

Idk that's just me honestly.

[–]Augustuscrassus1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean what do you do then? There's no tactics its just lifting, becoming popular, have a life and don't be an autist. You probably do all of these things withput noticing. This place is for guys who have struggled with girls and want a better life.

[–]MrRobotTheorist 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I actually never realized this was a place where guys struggled with girls. I thought everybody here was pulling, one way or another using these different tactics lol.

[–]sx2eck 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

If you've never physically and emotionally experienced being in the top few percent of any social or financial hierarchy, you want to assume it's fake because you are unable to bridge the gap of your own experience and the story you're hearing.

There's no way you for you to empathize with Star Wars but it doesn't make you want to call it fake. Why do you feel the need to "call this out"?

Could it be a feeling of ignorance, or ever a twinge of inferiority?

[–]Augustuscrassus18 points19 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

No IDGAF whether op gets pussy or not it just smells like bullshit. I knew a natural alpha in high school and it didn't affect my life one bit.

What I'm calling out is the fantasy you're selling people on that is just far from realistic.

Yeah popular dudes and rich dudes get laid but I can tell you none of the posters on here are even close to either of those things. Or else they wouldn't be posting here. Myself included.

It is unlikely you are going to make it into the top % of anything without rich parents and/or good genetics, which includes IQ. You can still do alright for yourself but a HB9 is not begging to take him to NBA games.

I can accept that this is reality for extremely high SMV dudes but the very fact OP is posting here suggests otherwise.

[–]Alathon5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Based on the sheer number of posters here, at least a few of them are top 1%.

A "HB9 attorney" is utterly fucked in terms of mate selection; she has almost certainly achieved her way above of 95% of the population in terms of wealth and status, and that's before physical desire is accounted for. She has few options for a man who she will feel is 'at her level', and the supply of such men decreases every year while a fresh batch of HB9s graduate every year.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally followed the tumblr feed of a chick that had an ltr for a month or 2 and is still posting "what if I could never love again" shit 6 months after that. Knowing the girl this guy ticked every box to be her alpha uber chad.

All that while riding the cc ofc.

[–]sx2eck 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't think OP is selling a fantasy. I OP's goal is to demonstrate a behaviour that increases likelihood of successful outcomes when juggling multiple partners.

If an average dude implements the advice (along with the basics), it would work and get him closer to the ideal state OP is in. That's the message

[–]CQC36 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I've never been in OP's situation but my take on it is that it is possible regardless of whether it is true here.

The reality is that this phenomenon happens everywhere in life. There are things you crave or desire in which your want for them so desperately intrudes on your ability to get them. It consumes you.

Yet, there is a strange momentum to it all. Let's take it out of the sexual realm and move somewhere more relatable for anyone. Suppose you have no friends, making friends is difficult. Because you have no friends, people are wary of you--there must be something wrong with you, and you're just sort of this sad and pitiable mess (regardless of if you actually feel that way) because others feel sorry for you, yet do not want to be responsible for being your only friend. Also, you do not offer any sort of gain for the person who makes friends with you unless your personality is insanely spectacular which we could then ask why the fuck do you not have friends? Thus, it is difficult to make your first few friends.

Conversely, suppose you have a good and active friend group that you regularly see and are a core part of. It is tremendously easy to make new friends. Not only do you have social proof, but all you have to do is invite others to come hang out with your group. Others love this type of invitation as it puts little pressure on them, they just come along for the ride and mainly observe the group dynamic. It is very low investment. Classic abundance mentality, if you extend another invitation to someone they will know that it is their choice to join you in an activity that you're going to do anyways. There's no pressure to accept or decline, nothing hinges on them.

What does this have to do with women?

Well, it's all about momentum. The rich get richer, so to speak. The more you have of something, the easier it becomes to acquire. The less you have of it, the harder it is to hold onto. Eventually, with women, there is a tipping point in which your current prowess sustains itself without much effort from you. The thing you want becomes cheaper by the day, and that attitude ironically nets you even more of it. It's not something you can fake on the whole, maybe with effort you can give off abundance through tricks in contained situations, but that is the difference between appearing effortless and possessing true effortlessness.

[–]sx2eck 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You should form this into thesis, body, and conclusion, then make it a post.

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

// , I certainly felt the twinge.

I was twinged.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem35 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Because until YOU personally had some of these things happen to you, all they are, are FANTASY.... While some of the FRs may be embellished or simply fabricated, I recently replied somewhere about one of my experiences which I know was real, and a few people called BS.

For example, to make it really short, I was at a party in college, another guy who happened to be captain of rhe lacrosse team or something picked a fight with me, I ended up "winning" and he ran out of the house because he noticed he was bleeding... almost immediately his date or girlfriend wanted me to take her home to in her words "do what ever" I wanted (i.e. fuck)... and someone called BS....my friend thus scenerio is nothing crazy, it happens all the time and there are people on here that even doubted that...

You would be surprised what goes on when your SMV is through the roof...

[–]Augustuscrassus 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm not doubting the life of a High SMV guy. I knew a natural alpha in HS and he told hilarious stories about girls.

I'm doubting that anyone on this subreddit is like that. Their stories are just to feed a giant circle jerk. Its reddit, do you really think guys who actually are high SMV hang on reddit?

[–]daprospecta1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm 6'4 255 and look like a not quite there yet but almost the Rock body type. Above average to good face. I'd say 23 on Patrice's scale. While many hot women may not have time for Reddit, most men seek knowledge, even the higher SMV ones.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I do. I believe there are guys who have achieved a higher level SMV and like me see, the value of constantly improving and reading this reddit. I personally believe that men can grow into "alpha" if they work hard enough, risk failure, learn from their mistakes, and adjust accordingly.

Remember women are children emotional creatures they are not impossible to master...and most importantly vaue is RELATIVE, if I moved out of Manhattan and to South Carolina where my six figure income and graduate degree catapults me over the rest of men there, I could easily be pulling chicks left and right...I'm willing to bet some of the FRs have some of that element to it...

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah seriously I don't know a single guy who has 5 or more hot girls vying for his attention. I know one dude who has a couple girls a month hitting him up, but he's like the biggest player I know and basically an 8.5. Even then he's not stringing along 5 hot girls who are buying him shit.

Also who friend zones an 8/10? OP sounds like some dumb bitch trying to get validation.

[–]pisspoordecisions2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Someone who realizes their personalities don’t mesh. You’ve never gone on a date and realized even if she’s hot there’s just no chemistry? You reach a point sometimes where you realize it’s simply not worth the effort to power through those situations just to get your dick wet. Usually you end up looking shitty and disappointing them when you don’t like them back, or they’re psycho.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He said she was s candidate to be a red pulled women, doesn't sound like there was a personality conflict. It sounds like he's pumping up his ego by (fictiously) rejecting this (fake) high value girl cause he has options (tm).

Doesn't that sound familiar to you?

[–]Bear-With-Bit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The truth is sicker than fiction.

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My exact thoughts. This is some straight up fictional first person Chad erotica.

[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have experienced similar situations to OP multiple times in my life, am not 6' tall. Otherwise, yea I have great genetics, but im not even in the best possible shape I could be in (this spring will be after my first cut, so this will change). However, having a chest and arms with curves goes a long way with most women. Focus on that first I would say. In the end, face really matters a ton. Girls want undeniable genetic potential, just like we do. So, even though I originally wanted to call you an MGTOW loser, I guess I'm meeting you half way. Don't sound so fucking hopeless though. It has been my experience that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the content of OPs post.

[–]GOODLORD1001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re just mad you didn’t have a MMMMFFFFFFFF

[–]THEnimble_mongoose1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lots of people on this forum are taller than 6 feet tall and have great genetics. I am one of them, though my game and finances are not great yet. Nothing said in this post is very unrealistic, you just aren't at OP's level yet. I agree with you that there are a lot of BS posts on this sub, but I don't think OP's is one of them. I have experienced similar things when I drop plates and start ignoring girls I'm sleeping with. The hotter the girl, the harder she usually starts pursuing. I think a lot of them have egos that can't handle not getting attention very well.

[–]iwasbornred1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Blue pill as fuuuuuuuuck.

You're not psychologically dominant. That's what it comes down to. You can blame it on looks all you want but it just isn't true.

Looks is like money. It's nice but it doesn't make up for a shitty brain.

You need to view women like livestock. I'm not joking. Fuck, view other men like livestock as well. The truth is that people want to be slaves, they want to be dominated. I've known short dudes, ugly dudes, fat dudes that absolutely shit all over your so called "chads".

You're literally just hamstering like a woman. Making an excuse for your lack of success with women by blaming it on your looks.

Women care about power. Not aesthetics.

[–]hibloodstevia1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sour grapes are bitter and provide no sustenance. They should be discarded unconsumed.

[–]Thistimeup991 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Down voted. There is no reason to suspect this guy doesn't have a high SMV and all the right traits to be Mr. Chad. I suspect his story is true.

[–]Trpogre1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe not a lawyer, but I meet accountants HB7 - HB8's and they do exhibit the behaviours of:

  • buying you unexpected presents
  • paying for you to concerts, little trips
  • buying you dinner, alcohol.
  • flying across country for 3 days to fuck the shit out of you, on your terms
  • swallowing every drop 100% of the time

I find female lawyers that I have encountered to be cunts tbh.

[–]krefnasterploc0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m 6’, white, good looking, 32yo and workout. I also have a really decent career and make 6 figures.

I literally have a Maxim top 10 finalist begging me for attention after I ghosted her in the same way. In fact if you want we can have a Skype call and discuss and I can share some of the texts we traded today, the photos and voice mails she’s sending me all the time and how I pulled it off. She’s currently begging me to spend a week with her during winter. (Just the 2 of us). And I’m DENYING HER and it’s driving her up the wall like a possessed demon.

OP is not fucking around on his FR. I can prove that this works. Abundance mentality man. Let them know you are in charge and they LOVE it

[–]ItsYough1236 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You've just proved high status people (like yourself) get other high status girls. Don't need to be on the red pill to work that out. With a little game, like how you're denying her, you're driving her crazy, therefore making you a LITTLE bit more attractive. That doesn't come as a surprise to me.

You think the average guy on here who lifts and is a 4-HB6.5 can do the same thing? Of course he can't. He might be able to get someone similar to him lose her shit if he games her right but he'll not get that Maxim model giving a fuck unless he is very high status in terms of sociability.

I'm not hating either btw lol. And I'm sure you know all of this already. Get that model bucked mate!

[–]krefnasterploc1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I hear you. I genuinely wish every man the best of luck.

This girl I am not committing because I know she’s been around the block too much for my taste :/

But damn she’s a dream. I just can’t take the constant competition I’d be dealing with. I need to relax

This is why I’d much rather land a 8.0 22 yr old with a jiggly butt and doesn’t need to be a model. I would much rather have a woman that worships me.

[–]suxxos0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe she is in love with you.

[–]TheBloodEagleX 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

This dude has to be like Heroic tier, top .05% or something for this to be all true. At least I hope, or else this is horribly depressing for the majority of men.

[–]ItsYough1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's assume OP is a HB9 who's rich and has superb game. If that's true (and I've no reason to believe it isn't) then none of this comes as a surprise to me. He's just playing in his league, some of the time below it. The skills of the red pill enable him to have an abundance mentality.

The average guy is a 5. If he's to game girls like this then he needs to be aiming in the 3-5.5 range, kind of like how OP aims down as well. It's very difficult for the average looking guy to have 5 girls, in the 6-9 range, constantly lose their shit over him.

[–]xgozax0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think this could definitely happen but the rating is probably incorrect for sure. In my opinion it could happen with a 7 at most.

[–]pisspoordecisions0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What if he is > 6. Want me to post recent screenshots of chicks I’ve ghosted? I’ve got 3 on the top of my head who’ve hit me up in the past week alone.

[–]jcdaniel660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Completely agree. These kind of stories only applies to very attractive men. Most men if they dont chase anything, nobody will give a fuck about them as if they didnt exist.

[–]norcalguy5100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

With that type of thinking, what are your goals as far as plating goes? Do you want six different plates eager for your company? Or are you happy with your "few plates" a year? Maybe for some guys this level of SMV is unattainable, so they accuse bullshit. But i know my SMV is not too far from having hoes on my nuts like OP, so this motivates the fuck out of me. Your comment makes you come off as a whiner, and under-achiever. Just my 2 cents dawg.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"HB9 Attorney."

it's post wall bitch so real value = hb5

[–]Cheupez0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Many FRs are fake, but most are true. In fact the most unbelievable are likely the truest. But also, that he said she is an attorney doesn't mean she is hot. She probably has a wierd shape and fangs for teeth.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In closing, I didn't expect that withdrawing attention while maintaining perceived availability could be so powerful.

You thought we were lying about dread ??

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don’t think I fully comprehended the utility of dread or how powerful it was.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Up next: "omg you guys were right, lifting builds muscles and fuck me sideways but if you eat less you actually do get thinner".

Seriously though - glad you see it now. All men should experience this to realise its power.

[–]Solistx 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Good shit OP! I can't wait for the day I get to do this kinda stuff and laugh all the way to bank. The past few days I've been looking for answers to my "LTR or Plates", "Love or Fun" dilemma and honestly, based on the posts here and the comment replies I've gotten, I decided to say fuck it all. Fuck LTR, fuck Plates, fuck Love, fuck Fun. Fuck it all!

Last night it just all clicked for me and as a result I've established a new doctrine for myself, and a new chapter has begun in my life. I realized that the only person I will ever be in a loving relationship with is my father. Everything else, all the fun and feel good bullshit has to come from within. I realized that I do have hobbies and passions but I've only been putting in 50% effort and is probably the root cause of my unhappiness.

I've been so sex obsessed that I lost track of my mission, and reading about you just telling this hot bitch to fuck off is a mind blowing concept to me because of how dry its been. I remembered how the good old days were, where in high school I was surrounded by girls attracted to me but rarely gave them the time of day. Why? Because I was too busy thinking about how to code a heat-seaking rocket for a mod I was working on for a WWII game. I was too busy learning how to paint custom textures, making music. I was constantly learning new and exciting things.

Then once highschool ended, I got into a depressive rut that Ive been fighting for a few years now, but getting better. I made women my goal because I lost sight of the past. I forgot what made me, me. In turn I became a hollow shell of a man, and I think the women I pursued could smell it.

But now I realize that all the things I was looking for, love, understanding, a companion are all manifestations of my own failure to love and understand myself. When everybody told me I should give myself credit for the things Ive done, I decided to shoot my foot twice.

Women are only an accessory, they are a lagging indicator of success and are nothing more than a bonus to your life. Therefore their value to me is worth no more than the dirt I stand on, merely a smiling face with very pleasurable holes. It sucks for me to say that, but thats just how it is. My point here is, just as women ruthlessly used me for their benefit, I will from now on return the favor.

Fuck n' Dump baby! Just like my cigarettes, I'm gonna flip one for a lucky, burn the rest and buy another pack when I'm through with the best!

[–]TRP_Only 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Fuck n' Dump baby! Just like my cigarettes, I'm gonna flip one for a lucky, burn the rest and buy another pack when I'm through with the best!

Where did you get that from?

[–]Solistx 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I made it up actually haha

[–]Bulletproof_P4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome mindset you got yourself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I realized that the only person I will ever be in a loving relationship with is my father.

oh.. that's a little gay but ok OP dont forget - ONLY YOU can your yourself so nr.1 person should be YOU and YOU ONLY...

[–]oldslut8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

good report, i just can't understand why you would want any single moms or hb6s in this otherwise decent plate salad... just saying. to each his own.

[–]XpeedMclaren7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is an example of the 16th law "Too much circulation makes the price go down: The more you are seen and heard from, the more common you appear. If you are already established in a group, temporary withdrawal from it will make you more talked about, even more admired. You must learn when to leave. Create value through scarcity.

At the start of an affair, you need to heighten your presence in the eyes of the other. If you absent yourself too early, you may be forgotten. But once your lover's emotions are engaged, and the feeling of love has crystallized, absence inflames and excites.

Giving no reason for your absence excites even more: The other person assumes he or she is at fault. While you are away, the lover's imagination takes flight, and a stimulated imagination cannot help but make love grow stronger.

Conversely, when you become too present, too accessible, leaving no room for the imagination, the more you pursue, the less they love you.

What withdraws, what becomes scarce, suddenly seems to deserve our respect and honor. What stays too long, inundating us with its presence, makes us disdain it.

Take the romance of Sir Guillaume de Balaun and Madame Guillelma de Javiac. Guillaume was the perfect knight, who wrote poetry and songs to Madame Guillelma. She fell deeply in love with him, but because he wanted to feel the ultimate bliss that comes with reconciliation after a quarrel, he feigned great anger with her and left. In order for his plan to work, she would have to be upset with him, but his leaving only made her long for him more, so his plan, in essence, had backfired.

When he saw her again, he drove her away with harsh words and threatening gestures that she vowed never to see him again. He regretted what he had done so he rode to Javiac, but the lady would not receive him, and ordered her servants to chase him away. Over the next year, Sir Guillaume wrote many letters and poems to her and was miserable without her. She finally forgave him and this is when he finally experienced the joy that comes with reconciliation after a quarrel."

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You sound like my buddy who says he has 5 "girlfriends" when he's really just talking to a couple bitches on tinder and banging some stripper that he essentially pays for with coke.

In other words I basically don't believe anything you wrote and there was no actual point to this post besides bragging about the (made up) "hot girls" you are "plating".

[–]HS-Thompson-3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

banging some stripper that he essentially pays for with coke

You're saying this like it's a bad thing?

[–]IncognitoBaboon 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

If you're paying for it with coke then you're literally fucking a prostitute and failing at life.

[–]ChadThundercockII2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you're literally fucking a prostitute and failing at life

Get your shit together, man. fucking prostitutes is one of my hobbies.

[–]HS-Thompson7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you ever get old and rich you'll realize that they're all prostitutes, of one kind or another.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you don't need to be old nor rich to understand that though

[–]U-945 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have done this with every tinder/bumble girl. Not to be intentionally mean....I just have zero desire to see anyone more than once. I've hd one 'facebook official' relationship in my life and it was such a fucking headache that I have permanent PTSD. Some nights a 9 could hit on me and I'd struggle to fight off indifference.

EDIT: The key is that I'm not even trying. Maybe that becomes more natural as you get older. Trying to feign this level of pure apathy as a 21yr old would be more difficult (I imagine). I suppose one simple life hack here would have something going on in your life that's more important than some girl's attention.

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Some nights a 9 could hit on me and I'd struggle to fight off indifference

Felt exactly this way about groupsex girl. I'm sitting there thinking I'd rather be watching football. I chuckled internally about this fact, while getting blown by two girls. Immediately upon seeing the irony I understood better than ever abundance mentality and amused mastery. It was like a light went on in my head.

Edit:

I suppose one simple life hack here would have something going on in your life that's more important than some girl's attention.

This is what we mean by having a "Mission". Is your mission in life to own a nice car? Your mission is stupid. Women and relationships are the same as the car. Someone else in this thread wrote that "Women are a lagging indicator of your own success in self improvement." I believe this.

[–]U-945 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm 32 so I've gone through the motions of one night stands too many times for it to even be amusing anymore (and I hate relationships) so I'm relegated to a pennywise lifestyle of emerging every month or two for a random bumble/tinder melee. And it's just going through the motions of banter, flirting, stories, jokes, 'what do you do?' etc. I feel like Deep Purple out there playing 'Smoke on the Water' and pretending to still enjoy it.

This probably sounds sadder than it actually is. It's peaceful.

[–]i_amtheice2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This only works if you have options. If you're like me, just starting out and trying to get over approach anxiety with absolutely zero Game, this isn't feasible.

[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Incels are ruining this board. Look at all the hate for OP, who makes a pretty standard field report.

[–]ChadThundercockII4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus fuck!! Look at these miserables fucks in these comments. "Oh my god! I can't get girls to chase me, so OP is a liar". "OMG he must be gaming ugly fat chicks for this to be true"

This is very disappointing.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have noticed something even more bizarre, almost supernatural, sometimes I swear women have antenna or a hivemind. On several occasions when I am particularly enjoying my time with a girl (amazing sex, fun conversations, great intimacy) a plate or former STR will message or call me, almost to the minute I have that nice experience. It is bizarre, examples, I am in a nice hotel with new plate. I am thinking, this girl is amazing, maybe even worthy of considering for something more then bang, message from former STR, how are you 88will88, miss you. Another time, hook up with a HB9, I am hugging her and her massive perfect tits are against my chest, I begin to bar up and I’m thinking “this girl is next level hot” my phone message beeps and it is a text from another former STR who I haven’t heard from in a year. Similar things have happened when I dump a plate or STR, literally a minute later a former plate will ring. The time is fucking eerie.

[–]ItsYough123-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe this world is a lot stranger than we think. Maybe we're all connected in a really weird way and something tells them when you're having a good time with another lady. Or maybe I'm just chatting shite lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have no answers but it seems very weird to me that these girls somehow seem to know when I am either offering or withdrawing affection/ emotion from other women. It has happened too many times for me to dismiss it as coincidence.

[–]LordThunderbolt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

6 plates, almost of them all but one are HB7 and above, absolute thirst for your dick all the time, but you're real cool and chaddy, so whatever I guess.

You people are not even putting an effort into making your fairytales believable

[–]h4nkz1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is really interesting and helpful at the same time. I'm currently dating an HB 9 and I wish she would commit and persue more. Meeting her twice a week atm, maybe I should just withdraw any attention for a while?

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good luck. She will find some other dude.

[–]simplisticallysimple1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously you've been leading them on or giving them impressions that you might be available for commitment for these girls to fall for you like this.

[–]XLNC-0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting post op. Would you be able to elaborate on the maintaining perceived availability aspect? For example how to reduce attention or ghost, while simultaneously dangling the elusive carrot of commitment?

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Simply put: always conceal how pilled you are. Think back to your BP days. Never give absolutes. Not a no can be perceived as yes if she chooses. Let her put the man (you) on a platform and orbit for a change

[–]Raxacory0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean by "she made a racist comment"?

[–]AllHailEuropa4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Probably something like "white people have a right to their own nations" or "white people should advocate for their interests". What a monster!

[–]Raxacory2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That sounds very racist. White people need to accept that diversity is their strength. Just look at Malmö, Paris or London, such levels of European greatness has yet to be achieved by the racist bigots of other countries. Also, the blacks in the U.S are very civilized and just as law abiding and hard-working as white people, if not even more! ;)

[–]smyger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So this is girls you already fucked and then after you friendzone them or how does it work?

[–]KagedRageius0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How long do you wait before you ghost them? 3 dates?

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No hard and fast number. When it no longer serves me I let it go.

[–]yallapapi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn. Good stuff. How are you meeting all these women?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit's easy when you're Chad. What's your rating? Try doing that as a 5 and get back to me.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

These women are all over 30 aren't they? Ok then.

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Youngest is early 20s, oldest mid 30s. Why is this relevant?

[–]kp12ok1e2pok0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They're all HB1039 yet they're all single moms. Yeah, right. lol.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

seriously. whenever i hear she's a single mom, my attraction goes away completely. even on tinder i swipe left every time there's a mention of kids or a kid in the pictures. no matter how hot she is. just kills it for me instantly.

[–]dilatory_tactics0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

How old are you, out of curiosity?

[–]BaconMeTimbers2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He's seeing the one girl that's 15 years younger than him. She's hopefully at least 18 so he's at least 33. But being 31 myself, anyone under 23 annoys the hell outta me, so if he feels the same I'd guess he's 38.

Just a guess.

[–]Rhynovirus[S] -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm old enough to be well established in my career, social group and financial situation.

[–]RealityFromSouthPark4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why even answer his question is it was going to be some bullshit iamverysmart comment.

[–]dilatory_tactics2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but people achieve that at very different ages, so I was just curious

[–]SmilingWatermelon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's interesting here is the girls didn't take what you said literally. You were honest I'm sure. You really did just want more time in the gym.

But these women believe you cut them off for a different reason, the hamster is trying to understand how it fucked up. I'm sure every other guy has stuck around but you clearly have better things to do.

I doubt many men have so casually walked out of their lives when things were going good.

[–]cashmoney_x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice window dressing on an obvious brag post.

[–]sensualsanta 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Isn't this more of them wanting attention and being validated rather than actually developing any real feelings for you? Women are told their entire lives that a lot of their worth comes from male attention and their looks. It makes sense that they need themselves to be constantly validated.

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I point out clearly the connection between attention and validation.

[–]sensualsanta 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes but you also assume they’re interested in you when really they only want your attention. Once they get it they’re not going to want to be with you. Also what’s the point of doing this? If you meet somebody you genuinely like are you going to ghost them too? If a guy did that to me I’d get annoyed at the “game” and block him or never respond...which I have done once these guys tried reaching out again. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you meet somebody you genuinely like are you going to ghost them too?

If I wanted a relationship I wouldn't have dumped them.

[–]Luckyluke23-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

could you please explain the steps you could to get here? ( you know kind of like in your own words and what sticks out to you)

[–]Rhynovirus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honesty with myself about my strengths and weaknesses, acceptance of lessons learned through failure, disciplined commitment to not repeat those lessons, valuing myself my needs and my boundaries first and foremost.

[–]NewHourNewBeginnings-4 points-3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Is there any hope for a balding 5'6" guy with a shitty job, or should I just give up on life?? These fucking stories I read are so damned depressing; good for you man, have fun with your awesome life. I'll just go fucking kill myself

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

a balding 5'6" guy with a shitty job

As long as you define YOURSELF according to a few limitations, there's no reason to expect any woman on the planet to see you differently.

Be in good physical shape, maintain fun hobbies and activities, LIVE your life, on your terms. These are the qualities that make women rationalize, "So what if he's a balding 5'6" guy with a shitty job..."

[–]NewHourNewBeginnings2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Fuck it, guess I'll go to the gym and just channel my rage into some weights. I've gotten lazy, need to get back there... The only thing keeping me sane are my hobbies and becoming a better musician. Thanks for the advice.

[–]Ketogainsmongoose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Shave that head, grow a beard, become a badass, cut, gandalf/gimli.

[–]d0lphinsex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can confirm. I shaved my head and grew a beard and people are behaving way different towards me now.

[–]phoenixtoast 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

TRP dogma holds that you can improve yourself to 6'5" status. If not, it's your fault

[–]Bear-With-Bit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good. Get busy living or get busy living dying.

Men with less than you and shorter than you have lived like kings with their fortunes and charisma built from scratch. Either build yourself to become better or forget that you ever found this sub.

Or just off yourself. I recommend a .45 right in between your eyes.

[–]WorldNewPilla-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

when you say you ghost them, you do so after first sex?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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